Michael Devlin aka #100kHustle aka Profits Engine aka ProfitsEngine aka Amazoners Academy aka Mass Conversions Offers a money back guarantee then bullies you when you request the money back for him running your business to the ground. This happened to many people not just us. He closes you away from talking to anyone else and paints a picture that any success you've had is because of him when they are completely unrelated. He is only interested in your money and once he has that he will belittle you Glasgow Glasgow, Scotland

Here was a previous threat received by Michael Devlin

Has Michael Devling ripped anybody off or not? Well that depends on whether or not his numerous 'offerings' have made any real money for anyone or not. One thing is for sure, he is a mercurial character and easily pivots from one opportunity to the next often leaving many people in his wake wondering if they'd made the right decision to invest or not.

One argument Devlin puts forward for this state of affairs is the constantly changing world of ecommerce and how, with his self-stated superior intellect and marketing knowledge, always claims to be one step ahead of everyone else. The legal contracts he puts forward are cleverly put together and puts 100% of the risk on the investor without providing any form of guarantee whatsoever. His claims to make people rich through following his methods and tools are fairly unsubtansiated, you'll find it diffucult to pin him down to any real hard evidence to back it up.

He might offer a few screenshots here and there but generally it's something of a facade. His latest venture LaunchPros is, on the face of it, a game-changing piece of software that will allow people to make themselves rich beyond their wildest dreams. Even those who have never approached or considered ecommerce before.

Sounds like most "if it's too good to be true then it probably is" scams to be honest. The reality (and feedback from users of the system) is that it's as buggy as hell, a work-in-progress system that promises to deliver astounding results (no guarantees remember) as long as you follow the process and continue to stump up the cash. Sounds genius but in reality it's smoke and mirrors system.

The biggest issue with the whole shebang is that it relies so heavily on external systems to make it work, i.e. Amazon, eBay and 3rd party supplier platforms. The big get-out for Devlin is that if any of these other systems can potentially change enough to make LaunchPros obsolete overnight. And of course no guarantees and no refunds from Mr Devlin ensure that he is protected from the fallout and place the blame elsewhere.

Should that happen (and it probably will) Mr Devlin will merely shrug his shoulders, say something about the nature of ecommerce being highly risky and these things happen, etc, etc, and then move on to his next marketing wheeze. Bottom-line is that Michael Devlin is happy to start something but rarely finishes it, the vision he maps out for others goes hazy and then disappears into thin air.

He will then set up another scheme, always using the principle of deferred gratification to people keep hanging on for long enough for him to take their money and then move on to something else when he realises the appeal has gone. The Brand Partnership scheme is set up is a prime example of that behaviour.

Using his marketing skills to convince people to part with significant sums of money and then putting the blame on them when it became clear the process was highly flawed. Anyone wanting their money back were then immediately threatened with legal action by Mr Devlin and also warned he would be suing them for more money to cover his 'addtional costs'.

Pure bullsh*t of course but highly effective in scaring people away. However the contracts were so much in his favour that it would've taken a lot of time and money to pursue him in court and with no guarantee of success at the end of it. So is Michael Devlin a scam artist?

That is a extremely hard question to answer because his is a very nuanced operation. He is a scammer to those who feel they did not get a return on their investment and a genius to those who may have seen some return. Fundamentally Devlin is a marketeer and marketeers 'sell the sizzle, not the bacon'. You can but into his dream but it could quickly your nightmare. Caveat emptor!

This is a follow up on a comment posted previously which you can find here

We have clearly demonstrated how Mr Devlin lies, cheats and misleads people in paying him for services and tools he either does not provide or provides very poorly. 

We have also shown clear examples of direct fraud such as the use of an Aston Martin as a hook to get people to pay $3k to join his course and Devlins failure to actually provide this vehicle in the manner he represented. In fact he still boasts about it sitting in front of his house.

Michael has also failed to provide us with VAT invoices despite being asked on several occasions. He stated he would provide them to a lawyer acting on our behalf. Then advised that he wasn’t obliged to provide invoices as we were not registered in the UK. We then pointed out that we were actually registered in the UK. He then provided us with simple word documents with no VAT number and also in a business name which we have never even heard of. We paid M & A Technologies (Profits Engine), therefore we should receive VAT receipts in this company name. One can only assume from this that Michael is either failing in his TAX obligations or he is deliberately being awkward. 

For a man who has repeatedly insisted that he is innocent of all the claims levelled against him and is in fact a victim of unmotivated, stupid and unethical people who simply want to pull him down I find this particularly ironic.

Up to this point I have been content to let my partner bear the brunt of Devlin’s insults and threats but recently he contacted us to offer a refund.  

We accepted this offer which at the time had no conditions attached to it. Devlin then discovered our original post here even though he has been active since the beginning he demanded that we take it down or his offer would be withdrawn and damages sought

• "Fix it or I am retracting my Offer and adding damages to your counter suit." - Email title

Devlin then attempts to blackmail us into removing the post, hardly the actions of an innocent man

• "It is with this finding that I am hereby retracting my offer to gratuitously and partially refund you unless this thread is removed within seven days (or less) alongside a public apology and update of the facts is made from your business partner Kelly. Otherwise, I will be reverting back to my counter suit position and separately adding a damages claim to the suit in reference to the content and ask that you involve a solicitor immediately, something that to date you've failed to instruct."

• "I want it removed. Everything that was written was defamatory and without factual foundation and perhaps your partner Kelly should have considered this alongside her contractual and professional obligations/restrictions before writing a barrage of repeated nonsense both directly via email and now online that's about to cost both her and the company heavily if it's not rectified and removed”

This then began a series of emails in which my partner and myself and our business were threatened several times despite us remaining polite and professional even though the original offer had been withdrawn 

• "This will be my last email to you as a method of arbitration and although it is clear you are under the misguided direction that if you make a nuisance of yourself enough I'll buckle and refund you...but trust me, I fully intend to make a contractual example of you both by ripping you apart legally on all fronts, regardless of cost."

He then sent us a further invoice for “proprietary” works?? …..£8,963.24

We find it ironic that with all threats and intimidation tactics that he frequently throws at us he has never actually followed through with any of them. We have never received a defamation or harassment claim from his lawyers despite him stating several times we was going to file claims. We made Michael aware that we were acting on our own behalf and would not be using a lawyer. In fact we copied his lawyers into our correspondence as we wanted to be fully transparent. Could it be that Michael is actually fully aware of his wrong doings? 

Again hardly the professional stance that a so called professional marketer would normally take.

This is a direct message to Michael Devlin. You are a true bully who has cultivated an atmosphere of fear and intimidation through lies, censorship and aggression. People in your FB groups are afraid to speak their minds for fear of ejection from the programme. You have taken thousands of dollars from decent, ordinary, hardworking people for you own own shallow pursuits (about which you brag constantly). I want people to know exactly what they are getting themselves in for if they associate with you professionaly.

I may not know marketing as well as you but I am more clever, more articulate and a more decent human being. I will be chronicling, with proof, EVERY single lie you have told. This will be a post that you will not be able to delete Michael. The walls are closing in Brother.

I'm involved in Elite masterminds and Amazon training of all kinds and I'm also considered an Elite Amazon Seller doing high Six Figures Per Month. I know all the BIG sellers this guy deals with and if you've not got EXTREMELY deep pockets you will fail on Amazon as this guy will snap your purse strings. What I've taken from this thread is anything positive is to be seen as fake and anything negative is to be taken as gospel. I'm wondering which category I'll be in but I'm simply here to tell whoever cares how it is when selling on Amazon. What I can tell anyone who reads this is if you ever use a coach who specialises in traffic you'll need a budget on a par with your inventory budget. I also know through being part of this guys community that multiple members have failed largely due to their own budget failures as most Amazon sellers have a lack of understanding when it comes to click to purchase, CPA, and scalability budgets and margin in their own products. Small Amazon sellers also have a blame culture with them choosing to blame everyone else rather than the product they chose, or the lack of budget they had. You either have the pocket or you don't and this thread appears to be more a self confession of failure from sellers who either had a lack of commitment or understanding of the topic being taught or a lack of cash at bank. If you where smart enough in the first place you'd have spotted ahead of time that the numbers and profit in your business never stacked in the first place and you shouldn't have needed a coach or guru to point that out.

  I signed up for Michael Devlins Mass conversions course last year. He was a so-called Amazon guru, and self-proclaimed expert, but as things transpired, it became clear that none of this was true. After everything I've witnessed, there's not a shadow of doubt in my mind that Michael Devlin is a professional con artist. I never received anything of any value. There was so much talk, so many FB posts about what was to come, how much money everyone would make but nothing was ever delivered. Profits engine was a scam. It was useless even when it worked, and nothing else even materialised. I couldn't believe it when he started asking for 'belts and braces' money, charging people extra at the first opportunity when he promised he wouldn't.

Then there was the ludicrously transparent scam with the Aston Martin. He spent weeks roping people in by proclaiming that out of everyone who paid thousands to attend his event, that 'one lucky winner ' would receive the keys to his Aston Martin. He then reneged on this and claimed that one of the members in the group was sick, and that he had decided to raffle it off to raise funds for them. There was no explanation of who this member was or what their illness was, and to top it all off, he never even raffled the car! He still displays it on his FB page in broad daylight, with no regard to his fraudulent actions.

Originally, on the webinar he had made to sell everyone his course, he had claimed that he would be taking 10 brands from scratch so that course members could see how it was done. He never even began doing this, it was just swept under the rug, along with all of his other claims. The previously promised weekly calls just stopped because they didn't suit 'Amazon Terms of Services.' I was flabbergasted when he then asked for thousands in renewal fees after literally providing nothing. Until now I've tried to put it out of my mind and not let it affect me because I still had a business to run, but thank God someone else had the time and courage to start this report, thank you guys. I can't believe he's been taking 20k/40k off some people, that makes me feel sick.

I don't know if he's deluded or just a bad person, but you can't just take thousands off people and not expect consequences. Either way, Michael Devlin committed fraud. I can vouch for pretty much every negative claim made about him in this report, and the defences of him are ridiculously suspicious. No doubt there'll be a 'SATISFIED CUSTOMER KILLING IT' who responds to this, but for anyone reading this, ask yourself: Do you honestly think all of these angry ripped off people have conspired together to tell lies? If you look at any other reputable Amazon teacher online, there's not a sniff of any of these claims that can be found anywhere.

Anyone claiming to have a positive experience with Michael want to actually back this up with some real proof?

Michael supposedly has helped hundreds of successful students and 60 successful brands yet there is not any evidence for this. If you are doing X sales per month, let's see some proof other than a screenshot.

CORE 150 INTERNATIONAL LIMITED
Company status - Liquidation
Accounts overdue

One of his brands Hustle coffee launched under M & A TECHNOLOGIES LIMITED
amazon.co.uk/dp/B06Y5YQCG9/ref=olp_product_details?_encoding=UTF8&me=
1) Sold perhaps 3 units?
2) Hustle Coffee already exists facebook.com/hustlecoffeeco/
Just have to feel sorry for the two resellers, possibly duped into buying from Michael Devlin.

BUSINESS DIVERT LIMITED
M & J P LIMITED
Oh dear both dissolved, no money either so you have to wonder.

MICHAEL DEVLIN IS ALL TALK. BUT BOY, DOES HIS TALK WORK  

Buying a gym membership doesn't make you FIT. Doing the workout makes you fit. I have been working like a maniac since 2015 with Michael on my Amazon business and in Sept 2017 we hit $1M a month. 

If YOU HAVEN'T GOT THE POCKETS STAY AWAY FROM THIS GUY BECUASE HIS SALES VOLUME WILL BREAK YOUR BANK. 

Anyone can post a screenshot with some numbers.

Neither of Michael Devlin's companies are even VAT registered so the screenshot are not from his own seller account yet he claims to have 60 brands etc.

Summary

Promised USP product as part of the brand partner agreement
Received a generic run of the mill product available anywhere, also similar products given to other brand partners. (Conflict of interest whereby Michael is breaching his own contract)

Promised brand that would sell for 7 figures and split 50/50
Got (or not) brand that would be pooled and sold off as a lot with other members and possibly we could get 50k

Promised on and off Amazon Marketing
Got webinars which basically turned out to be sales Platforms.

Promised Opportunity to own the AM Vantage Car
Initially available to Elite Sellers
Then Brand Partners
Then raffled for a sick student
Then nothing

Promised 100k in 12 months
Got little to no training, goals moved, empty promises.

All up we are down 
MC - 2950
100k - 2999
BP - 30,655k
Brandgate - 937
Lifetime Membership - 1450

$38,992

Plus
Trademark - $1000
T-shirt Designs $500
Samples $100

We initially approached Michael about a refund months ago as I was undergoing Medical treatment. Michael said no because he was too far into the process. We left it at that.

It was only after a period of a few months passed when we realized we were not getting what we paid for.

We approached Michael and asked for a refund again and his response initially was he would refund provided we document that we were fabricating claims of breach etc as we lacked funds. He also stated that if other brand partners refunded he would withdraw his offer of a refund. When we refused to do this he then said he would run our PPC campaign for us if we didn’t refund and again we politely declined his offer which is when he became abusive and threatening even though he thinks he is the “good guy”. He is now putting the blame on us claiming that we have fabricated problems with him as we lack funds and also stating that we are threatening him as we said, “we would tarnish his reputation”. Which is a blatant lie.

There are many others like us that have lost a lot of money because of Michael Devlins false claims and promises, that have witnessed his bullish behaviour and have also been a vitim of it.

Mass Conversions / Elite now Brand Warfare

We were introduced to Michael Devlin by some friends in December 2016. Whilst we were chatting with our friends via Skype they messaged Michael to say we might be interested in joining the group and he immediately joined the call on Skype. This was at 2am his time, so we were immediately impressed by his 'proactive' approach.....

We explained to him that we had 2 PL brands and had been selling on Amazon for nearly 3 years and were looking to expand the business more offline as we felt our brand was overly reliant on Amazon. He told us that was exactly what mass conversions/Elite sellers was about, EXPLODING the business on and off Amazon.

He also stated that if we signed up we would have the opportunity to win an Aston Martin as he was going to have over the keys to a student at his live event in February.

It then moved to June then at a closed-door event in September then he asked us if we would mind raffling it because a member of the group was sick and he wanted to raise funds for them. The car as far I know is still in his possession. 

Our first introduction to his teaching was the lead lock/propel webinars, which we felt were a little haphazard teaching wise but we thought it could be a powerful method so were excited about being in the group. 
I guess our first reservations came not long after joining when we discovered he was holding a hand holding webinar regarding the propel stuff but to actually be able to be included in the webinar we would have to pay an additional $500. Strange but we dismissed it. We didn't sign up for the webinar.

Brandgate

Next, we signed up for brand gate beginning of Dec $937. However, developers were not ready. When he said the developers were finally ready I messaged them twice and got no reply and therefore went to Michael and told him I needed to get the brand gate set up but they were not replying to my messages, he said we had missed our slot and he would try and get me one later this year. See attached screenshot of messages . He is now claiming that we never claimed our spot. 

Michaels response in an email

“The set hours where booked and paid for in full. The development team ear-mapped their time without you ever reclaiming. If you'd like to reclaim I am sure they will happily do the work that they expected to be claimed over nine months ago.”

No, we don’t want to claim this as we ended up building our own as we could wait no longer.

Brand Partnership

We saw a post on his private page in Dec about a brand partnership and what he was offering (see attached screenshot) sounded promising and we messaged him to say we were interested. He said we could join him for one market for 25k or we could go 2 markets for 50k. He then called us and told us that he would want to sell the brand in 2 – 3 years for 7 figures and split the proceeds 50/50.

We signed up for 1 market with a view to adding the other at a later date. He sent us a message asking for a wire transfer. We wired him 25k USD, we get a message back after the funds have reached his account stating the 25k was GBP not USD so ended up wiring an additional 5-6k.

After him handing over the information on the “innovative product” which turns out to be a generic product that we would just white label we were a little disappointed because we thought we were getting a product with “a very strong usp”. We did however proceed because we thought Michael knew what he was doing.

We signed the contract. After signing we discover that in fact at least 2 other brand partners had been given very similar products to ours in which case Michael is breaching his own contract

1b. section 49. No Member will engage in any business, venture or transaction, whether directly or indirectly, that might be competitive with the business of the Venture or that would be in direct conflict of interest to the Venture. Any potential conflicts of interest will be deemed an Involuntary Withdrawal by the offending Member and may be treated accordingly by the remaining Members.

He also later advised that PPC was the only marketing method he would be using despite initially stating that “I will handle all Amazon (on and off channel marketing)"

He also contradicts himself in his post and also in the discussion we had on the phone when he later states “IP for your niche has been developed in house by us but will only be made available to select partners who show demonstrable strengths in personal funding, brand, sales, inventory acquisition and of course show honesty and integrity during the course of trade” 

Next came 100k hustle, signed up on the promise of 100k or your money back... We all know how that worked out. We paid for t-shirt designers etc all in that was another 3.5k

1. Little to no training - The first training was on brand and tees, but then a lot of sessions covered information which is no longer valid – the system linking to Amazon and Merch Nerds. There has been a single session on Facebook advertising which has not completed and no further training. Of late, the training has been joined with Mass Conversion and this appears to be mainly sales webinars.

2. Goal posts moved and constant changes in direction. The original concept was motivational tees we started off with Merch by Amazon and fulfilled by Merch Nerds, both on your system which would integrate the two companies. Since then there have been a number of different approaches, companies and products introduced, but never followed through.

3. Members have found their own ways through the set up. Now being promised yet another new approach (10K swipe file) which I believe has already been delayed.

4. Incorrect information about the price of software introduced in the sessions and the free periods of use. Software not functioning or available

Michaels request to a refund was “You are outside my VSP 120 day refund terms - However please contact your card issuing bank and raise a dispute and I will accept it”

We are outside the terms as we waited for months for him to get everything working. Why pass the buck to the bank and get them to refund? He knows full well you cannot open a dispute after 90 days.

Lifetime membership to Mass Conversions (now Brand Warfare) asked for a refund. His response “This was wire send me bank details no problem”

Later changed his mind and said

“The funds that I agreed to be gratuitously refunded to you in respect of your lifetime membership have since been offset against a counter suit that awaits you for damages that my company has incurred as a result of you failing to bring a product to market whilst under signed contract”

A Facebook discussion from unhappy people with Michael Devlin Amazon from 100kHustle, profitsengine, massconversions

 Chris, michael has released these stat's as his own? I thought these were your numbers, not his.

So I become informed that Michael Devlin has spoken to his people... 

Please note - the comments in bold are mine... the rest is his!

"As we slowly take the Amazon space in a headlock and position ourselves as one of thee strongest players in the space a LOT of people are not liking this. - Not liking what? Targeting vunerable people then sending them threats when something doesn't go their way? (I can provide screenshots of everything)
In fact guys it's getting rather serious..
In recent months I have been subjected to a serious bout of cyber bullying experiencing a hatred (I think you'll find from my previous Rebuttal providing screenshots etc this is the other way, please check the definition of Cyber Bullying) I've never experienced before from individuals whom I have never met before in my life (Because people feel scared, bullied or threatened if they say anything) some of whom are being coached by an ex student (Please stop suggesting I am a coach Michael Devlin, this is becoming stupid, it really is) who was refunded and removed from my network for abusive behaviour over one year ago. (No, I wasn't removed from your network for abusive behaviour, I was removed from your network because my business partner and I both questioned the lack of results, integrity and the way which you bullied and threatened us when we wern't happy with what you did. You then refused to give a refund but did because you knew we had you from a legal standing otherwise we would of been scammed. Many people have given up trying to get refunds).

This bullying never really effected me until July this year where it spilled over into my young family.
Most of you will know who this individual and both Police Scotland and my corporate litigation team are now involved and pursuing both harassment and injunction proceedings. Harrasement? I'm not messaging you directly after you "personally" issued me an injunction which can be seen in other posts... I think we need to establish the definition of harrasement here).
It is with this I need to ask my community/family members for your support. (family members? Last time you spoke about family you took people's money, told them you won't have to spend any more as we are a family and then sold to us again!)
You see almost every group in the Amazon space I have tried to defend myself in when this cyber bullying raised it's head has barred and blocked me keeping the hate brigade in the group even when the moderators have been warned with legal takedown notices. You need to check the law and terminology you are using.
That's like punishing the kid in the playground who stood up for themselves, and rewarding the bully. (Please, let's look at previous comments... who's bullying who? Who's told who to F**K off?, even by your own admission you said it. We have only remained professinoal.
They have effectively made it impossible for me to defend myself (No, we just would like honest, respectful and genuine responses, not lie's about me or Darren about who we are, what we do or what we've said... we have hard proof about what you've said) as I'd often reply with results, numbers and profit...alongside a few home truths. Truths?
It's been found that the individuals also sell self defence courses yet they are using (cyber bullying) (Again Michael, please educate yourself on cyber bullying) and my pull in a space to ascertain attention) yeah, that's kinda like owning a rehab monday to Friday and dealing drugs on the weekend. It's like promising to increase results or a money back guarantee... once you've run a business down to the ground don't take responsibility... when they ask for money back use threats and refuse to provide a refund... surely it's similar story? I can carry on but i'll leave that for now...
As I stand on my own in my own group with my own people I can only say that I remain broad shouldered and defiant that I will not allow those, who in my opinion, have some serious issues in life (article 10, freedom of speech, i'll allow you your own opinion but no, we don't have serious issues but that's your opinion, it's okay), run me out of an industry I am passionate about innovating , protecting, and ultimately changing through being dynamic and unique. (innovating... you mean offering to deliver something spectacular, taking money for it then when questioned about getting money back going quiet?
Some of the major groups I have been barred from (own software)
Remember I founded Profits Engine (Please, let's not get started on profits engine... wooo, now that didn't have any functionality, a poor landing page which was valued at $2k somehow (yet on Fiverr I got one for $5 of better quality, it was another junglescout but a hell of a lot worse version) and I am about to change the game in Merch with my software later this month (I have screenshots of where you were due to do this with profits engine, person X will join us, this will happen, this will happen... nothing ever happened except you hid profits engine away and tried to grow another brand, when that didn't succeed hid that away and pushe another product)- See why it's in their interest to block me and allow the cyber bullying to continue without challenge? (I have personally contacted Jungle Scout, AMZScout amoungst others to contragulate them on their great work and products, We love seeing people succeed. If you understood the extent in which Darren and I have changed people's lives from self defence and other thing's you'd understand, people now don't feel scared to leave their houses).
Other groups I have been removed from for standing up for myself are run by individuals who own Amazon prep centres in and around the UK - oops didn't I just launch our centre in Glasgow - See where this is going? (No one really cares about your prep centre Michael, to be fair, I didn't even know you had one and couldn't really care less now I know you do).
This is the DARK SIDE the SCARY SIDE of the amazon space because it is full of talentless people who made some money and when the real talent shows up and threatens to dominate they are attempting to run them out.(No, this is not the case, you can call us talentless if you like but you are not real talent Michael, you've lost a lot of people a lot of money... You've driven businesses into the ground... yes I have lists and yes I have evidence!)
I will end with this - I never came here to have friends (Rule 1. You don't bully or threat people in business) I came here to innovate and help change the lives of real people with real hopes and dreams. (Yes we had real hopes, dreams, you killed that amazon business but also so did the people who gave you over £40,000 and you gave them nothing... Hey, at least you can by a McClaren with it) So, do me a favour, when you see the hater in full flight just know where they are coming from because they are trying to hurt you way more than they will ever hurt me as everything I do, is for YOU. (No Michael, you don't do this for us, you do it for yourself, if you did it for us now you've made your money you would set people up businesses for free and get them onto 6 figures... when we signed up to profits engine elite you promised 6 figures in 6 months... when questioned you denied it all)
In conclusion, ask yourself this, what type of group owner allows this sh*t to happen in a space that is allegedly created for business collaboration, fun, and success? (People who are protecting the innocent)
I'll leave that with you guys."

I can't say that I feel sorry for him and I would really like to comment on the post but that will just get me banned but it does make interesting reading 

Thank you Michael for your response.

Firstly, there was on strutting around Linkedin providing interviews, I gave feedback to the lady who took my professional pictures for me.

Secondly, the business in question is a completly different business to the one discussed.

Thirdly, no, I don't sell self defence courses, my business partner does, he has been a close protection specialist for many years and has helped a lot of people including military, police and the disbled.

Definition of Cyber Bullying - "the use of electronic communication to bully a person, typically by sending messages of an intimidating or threatening nature."  - Please note, I have never threatened anyone nor intimidated anyone but on that note I think you will like what I have to write.

I know many Amazon students who are happy with who they use, have a very good relationship with their mentor and I'm happy for them. I don't need to promote myself but let's go back to the topic of cyber bullying...

Now let's look at how Michael Devlin has treated me...

When people commented on a post on FB which was posted to discuss the disgust of Michael Devlin's service...

"I am now back from LA and I ask that you please provide me your full company address as I am hereby putting you on legal notice defamation for your comments made on a thread initiated by someone who is currently subject of injunction proceedings in the court of England and separately reported to Police Scotland under the threatening digital communications act.

My lawyer has the screen shots and they will be issued to you directly, therefore please provide me your address.

Failure to provide your address will be noted in any and proceedings instructed against you by me, alongside a claim for commercial damages where applicable."

Before i proceed... threatening digital communications act does not exist... however, Harmful digital communications Act 2015 does exist... this stipulates:

Harmful digital communication and cyber bullying includes:

-sending or publishing threatening or offensive material
-spreading damaging rumours
-sending or publishing sensitive personal information such as embarrassing photos and videos.

Just so everyone knows... I am not spreading rumours, i have provided facts for every one of my situation and my experience of using Michael Devlin. This is my experience!

Just so everyone knows... - Article 10 of the European Convention on Human Rights provides the right to freedom of expression and information, subject to certain restrictions that are "in accordance with law" and "necessary in a democratic society". This right includes the freedom to hold opinions, and to receive and impart information and ideas.

Also - The defence of honest comment (or fair comment as it used to be known) reflects the protection that English law affords to an honest person who expresses an opinion, however “prejudiced, exaggerated or obstinate” that view may

Let's look at bullying here and some of the other threats we received: (Please note, I have never been had anyone swear at me at work but things change here)

After we wern't issued our refund and were made to wait for several months with no response:

Threat/Bullying 1.

"You expect me to go out my way and take time out my day, to gift you a refund, whilst first doing you a favour by not liquidating you and yet
you continue to be nothing but an ignorant p***k.. 
Go f**k yourself."

Threat/Bullying 2.

"'I've waisted [sic] enough time on both of you and had enough of your fabricated bulls*it emails. "

Threat/Bullying 3.

Because we didn't sign an NDA straight away - 
"Now please return the document, signed, as instructed weeks ago, then you'll get paid. 
I'll accept a scan with written notice via email that hard copy is in the post. 
Fail to sign and I'll initiate proceeds against you and immediately instruct Amazon of the liquidation and wind up petition of ***BLOCKED COMPANY NAME*** via my solicitors..... ......DO NOT think for one minute you are dealing with an idiot. 
I've let you off the hook, I advise strongly, that you take it."

Threat/Bullying 4.

"also to let you know that REGARDLESS OF COST I will stand firm defending the facts and will happily spend what it takes to prove BOTH OF YOU wrong. 
Sign my NDA and we close the book, refuse, and I initiate legal proceedings"

Threat/Bullying 5.

"I've instructed you clearly on what to do, so either comply or I revert to proceedings in my previous correspondence"

Also his words about us - "The words honourable, respectful and businessman are not words you should be using as my dealings with you tell me you are neither."

Threat/Bullying 6.

"Please be advised that my legal representatives have been instructed to commence immediate proceedings against you personally along with a report being filed with Facebook for immediate suspension of your account subject to violating terms of service. "

Threat/Bullying 7.

"Therefor, instead, I have today given instructions to have you formally served with an interdict/injunction as of 13.05PM UK time. "

Threat/Bullying 8.

"I am hereby formally advising you that I will be suing and pursuing you for damages through court (regardless of cost). "

Threat/Bullying 9. 

"The best piece of advice I could give you today is find the best defence lawyer you can because your going to need it. "

Threat/Bullying 10.

"ask that you put all your contact through an acting legal representative otherwise I will be forced to contact Police Scotland and file a complaint for harassment. "

Threat/Bullying 11.

"You hereby informed of proceeding for damages in relation to defamation of £25,000 together with outstanding invoices gratuitously credited no becoming due."

Threat/Bullying 12.

"A damages claim will also be instructed for violation of the DMCA Digital Millennium Copyright Act together with breech of confidentiality. "

Threat/Bullying 13.

"Cease and Desist procedures have already been initiated to Facebook Group Moderators with similar communication drafted to Facebook HQ informing them that transmission of the highlighted link within any public group will be seen as a violation of the DMCA Digital Millennium Copyright Act with request for immediate suspension of your account and immediate closure of the offending groups"

Now... let's also look at what isn't true... Please note - I have no interested in persuing a legal case for lies made about me or my business partner, this is just for public knowledge...

Allegations/comments that Michael Devlin made which weren't true...

Allegation/comment/lie 1. -

PLEASE NOTE - We paid $1 a product and sold them for £15.99...

Michael - "When it was noted that the retail price of this customers product would never permit this brand or product to be profitable in paid search 'long term' without substantial investment I was asked if I'd like to invest whereby I respectfully declined and was later repeatedly threatened over the phone to **make it happen** or 'we will trash you'. "

Allegation/comment/lie 2 -

Please note - My business partner is a close protection specialist and self-defence instructor working with public and government agencies... We have no interested in lifestyle training (except self-defence protection) and I am not looking to be an Amazon coach or affiliate marketer...

"It should also be noted that these individuals are now in the AMAZON space (looking to coach) offering (lifestyle training) and I guess, sadly for them, when you actually discover someone who's REALLY good at what you want to do, and later discover (it's really f*cking hard) then I guess the last resort is to make sh*t up about an authority on a forum like this:). "

Allegation/comment/lie 3 -

This is true, is safe guarding required.. nope, we just forgot to complete our company accounts however it was not portrayed this way.

"In the interest of helping safeguard customers who may be considering buying from DNA Armour Ltd and or from the directors you can read scheduled strike off here"

Allegation/comment/lie 4 -

I'm not in the place for afflilate marketing, i'm in the market to protect others.

"This is how NOT TO do Affiliate Marketing:)

NO normal customer REFUNDED behaves like this dude...."

Just to finish, people don't be afriad to have an opinion or ask for a refund... I know people who are down in excess of £40,000 here and have called me in tears.

Please note the comments have spelling mistakes in them, these are all copied and pasted from Michael Devlin's communications to me.

Also, in public interested - Michael has two dissolved companies, one in liquidation and one with no companies accounts.https://beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/…/N0sUg_2uB…/appointments

But as you mentioned... I am cyber bulling Michael Devlin... 

 Following your share in the Amazon FBA Group I thought I'd do my own research and unsurprisingly I discovered how just a few months (prior to you running out of money) Adam Kenny Singh the owner of this thread was strutting around LinkedIn giving interviews about how his product became an Amazon top ten seller. What's disgusting to me about this is when people like you Adam don't own your own s**t or take responsibility for your own failures. I also read you don't sell Amazon courses (probably cause you failed after running out of cash) but do sell self defence courses for bullies? I find it kind of ironic that you express bully all over this thread yet you yourself resort to cyber bullying an authority like michael who is widely respected by using cyber bullying as your method of attention. You give Amazon students a bad name and you should find a different method of promoting yourself because your making yourself look like a right tit..

I am going to keep this short and sweet - If you wanna see just how big this guy is check him out on Facebook and ask his cinnections NOT A FACELESS AND NAMELESS FORUM. 

 Reading through the comments from 'satisfied' customers of Michael Devil almost makes me want to laugh- pseudo aggressive comments all taught and sold by the happy clappy 'if you can't play with the big boys' self termed gurus. The pseudo aggressive language used to intimidate and force some to keep quiet!! I would never recommend Michael Devlin, he is aggressive evasive and outright lies all the while leading you a merry dance while supposedly coaching . I have never been 'taken in' by anything in my life have always sniffed BS from a mile off but I was this time and it still makes me feel sick. Contacted M D requesting further info re the various groups PE MC etc...this was

right at the beginning. Message quickly culminated in a phone call from MD where I gave background on our private label FBA business and our figures whereby he recommended private coaching at cost 2.5k with the guarantee of 'dominating' our niche and doubling our sales which were at that point 10k per month. I had taken the business to that point singlehandedly, knew what I was doing, had a great brand etc. Where he failed us is that basically we managed to squeeze X 3 approx 20 min phone calls of discussing kind of nothing of any substance. The Skype calls were constantly cancelled with constant excuses -stuck in traffic, broken wrist, severe sickness bug, family issues, or

just radio silence....over and over, I lost trust and stopped having faith that this would lead anywhere fruitful. I have privately requested a refund as never mind the promised results happening, the coaching calls didn't happen. This man is a fake. My emails are ignored, so while I'm a complete professional who would never demean or lower myself to bad mouth someone's business in this case I'm writing here so others know there are more of us. He has used excuse after excuse to wriggle out of why I should have a refund but has used bullying tactics and been wholly unprofessional all the while crying how people are jealous and bitter. This man should know if you make a contract to

deliver then you should deliver not denounce everyone who speaks out. Totally deluded to time all the comments are fake and fabricated. Michael is the one whe needs to grow a set, be a man, be a gentleman and reach out professionally rather than with pseudo aggression. I am still trying to get my refund of 2.5k. After seeing a Facebook post he made calling out 'various groups ' for lying about him I commented asking how about if the coach just didn't turn up to coach? Comment was deleted and a fbook messenger retort back from him, basically talking nonsense trying to make out I was bitter. The truth always outs and given time the truth will out about this man. The epitome

of all the shysters that ever were. I have spoken the truth and will not rest until I get my hard earned money back!

 wow, you need to lie saying i do afflilate marketing, promote other services, wow. 1. In any job i've done i've never bad mouthed a competitor to win business 2. I don't do any affliliate marketing, nor sell any services related to Amazon. Its become desperate that people have to make these allegations, it is actually comical. Please screen shot and showing me recommending any affliate marketing services/software or anything else. I really would welcome this and for transparency i think everyone else would like to see this, myself would love to see this. This is desperation from all levels. His courses are credit card? Please learn how to speak write correctly with hard factual evidence before you try to slander me personal. I have proven everything with pictures and references so plesse do the same for me. Thank you

Meant to write my response to this thread on Friday following Adams post in Amazon FBA competitive Edge owned by Greg Mercer of Jungle Scout. Let's get a few FACTS going. Adam first. I don't know Adam Kenny Singh or (Adam KS) as his Facebook page says. But I know myself and several who've been pitched amazon services and software from him which I assume he's either involved with or making an affiliate cut from. I was curious to read the background here but in all honesty having read it I hope michael sues the a*s off this guy, but on the other hand I also hope michael leave's this live because it's so blatant what's happening here. Bash Michaels service - Bash his software - promote another service promote another siftware. The end. . It's old school affiliate marketing. Very bad affiliate marketing. Throughout the posts I've read in this thread, I've read Adam who appears Butt hurt beyond measure for losing his company and a few alleged responses from customers all referring back to Adam 'promoting how he has helped'. Hmmmm Manufactured comments from alleged disgruntled customers claiming to be ripped off but all claim they got refunded and referring back to 'Adam says'..hmmmm All anyone has to do to be refunded after buying a course or anything online is contact their credit card issuing bank which makes this thread even more manufactured. Adam also promotes Greg and Jungke scout in a reply within this thread as the author of this post something that solidified to me once and for all what's really going on here after Adam promoting this thread in the exact group. Well played Adam but a little obvious. Personally, I've worked with Michael his courses are credit card and his coaching is one on one and payable via wire. Adam, you said you were one on one and I'm guessing you paid by wire and you were refunded? Not exactly a rip off. What's also suspect here is many claim spending 10s of thousands but if you had a bad experience on a service averaging a couple of grand why would you keep repeatedly buying? Anyway, I'm now up to 130K with Michael, well he needs no introduction. Adam, go get a new hobby mate and change your affiliate marketing approach as this tactic your using is circa 1998.

 Before you comment please check your facts. We did not go bust, we just failed to submit company accounts ontime and didn't receive a notification for it. Also, you wern't part of the movement from the beginning as i knew everyone who was so please don't lie to defend him. Thank you

I WAS REPEATEDLY BULLIED AND BELITTLED BY MICHAEL DEVLIN!

I first saw Michael Devlin on linkedin when browsing and it caught my attention. Everything seemed too good to be true but I thought sometimes good things in life happen. 

I was then watching Dragons Den, saw a company on there which Michael Devlin had claimed he had coached and got there... my first thoughts were "If Michael Devlin was so good at what he does why would they be seeking investment to try and enhance there business?"... I located the owners of the company online, tried to message them to ask them questions about Michael Devlin and got no response. I tried to google negative things about Michael but couldn't find anything. 

I understand that Michael was using a guy called Kent LittleJohn to help him promote his business, gain traction and urgency online. Kent seems to have a track record of getting results but what I have discovered is he does hit bit, you can sell whatever you want and that's all down to you.

I read on Michael's profile what he had achieved with zero ads pend and fell into the first trap. 

Michael had positioned his proposal of "With minimal investment, i will guarantee to get you to the first page of Amazon within 6 months or your money back" - This sounded amazing.

I paid to join up without hesitation, I had a spare few thousands in the bank which I was looking to do something with.

When I initlally asked Michael about how much spend would be required he underplayed everything but that wasn't a problem, I had the budget there. 

The course started, weekly conference calls were delayed regularly, people would post in the group asking questions and as Adam has correctly stated, Michael would brush past many of the answers, delete comments or avoid answering them. You'd see some people asking the same question 3 times with no answers.  

Throughout time you would see Michael post up about all the success his clients had achieve, one who reached a best seller spot for health and nutrition, others who had received great success through different methods of PR whether it be published in magazines or instagram posts liked by thousands. I found out that all of this was a big pile of sh1t. Yes they reached this success but Michael HAD NOT HELPED THEM ACHIEVE THIS!!!.  I know these three sellers very well, i questioned them over time about their achievements and they all said that Michael had played no help in it but he was taking all of the credit for it. This then made me wonder, what about all the other posts I'd seen on his linkedin page?!?!

Back to the topic, i found a niche, ran it past Michael, showed him the numbers and he didn't seem interested but he told me I was guaranteed success here. it all went live, Michael posted on the group about how great everyone is doing, he loves seeing the success etc, it seemed like a great community.  We were all being pitched this great new development Profits engine... THIS WAS THE BIGGEST PILE OF S*** I'VE EVER COME ACROSS!!!. 

I was pitched Profits engine, signed up for the year subscription as i saved money and was told with this we would never have to look further, we would all be rich in 6 months. 

SUDDENLY...I BECAME WORRIED AGAIN, i saw a very negative post on the private group and within seconds it was gone, the member was removed. It was going over how bad the software was and Michael was avoiding his calls stating 'GIVE ME MY MONEY BACK!".

To cut this short... as Adam said, there were loads of empty promises behind Michael Devlin. Every week there was a new development in the making, we would not need to spend any more money as we were already Amazoner Academy and Profit Engine Elite members. Please note, these were all lies, none of them actually happened!!!

A few months in, I had launched my product, i used information i learnt from Amazoners Academy and other free material but to get to the next step Michael kept pushing his 1on1 which was valued at £500 per hour.  Something didn't seem right here.

I then called Michael and said that you promised we would not need to spend any more money with you to achieve results, what's happening... the call turned very sour very quickly. I started to see a side of Michael which i'd never seen, he became malicious and belitting me. He started trying to throw technical keywords at me thinking I wouldn't understand which actually all started to make no sense. He had previously claimed he was a qualified SEO expert... this is a non-obtainable qualification... you can complete a free Google test but the way he went on was like he had written SEO. 

I hung up on Michael as I didn't want to be spoken to like an idiot. He kept trying to call me back and left me voicemails beliteling me. It was confusing and worrying as this had all occured so quick!

A few months and massconversions was the new waste of money being promoted by Michael.  I'd decided I'd had enough of listening to all of Michaels Sh1t and paying for a crap piece of software which had not done anything for me and nothing on it worked. He valued his funnel landing pages at £2000... THEY WERE S***!!!.  I wanted to get to the next level but I wanted to work with someone who was honest and that I trusted.

I contacted Michael professionally and stated I wanted a refund on his profits engine systems were not fit for purpose, they did not work, yes his initial course helped but the rest of it was a waste of time, his weekly conference calls had died down and I was learning and growing my business through free methods online. AGAIN I WAS BULLIED AND BELITTLED. MICHAEL TOLD ME TO "F*** OFF AND THAT IS WAS MY FAULT THAT IT DID NOT WORK". 

I couldn't see how it was my fault as I had budget there and i was going off all of his promises. He denied everything he had said about guaranteeing success and that I don't take my business seriously if i'm not prepared to pay him £500 per hour for his consulting. I emailed Michael saying I wanted a refund several time with no success. I had given up on getting the refund until I was contacted by other members of his group. It turns out that there were plenty of people who were unhappy, felt ripped off, conned, scammed, whatever you would like to call it. 

One by one, through different methods we all started obtaining our money back. None of these methods was as simple as asking for it back and him being honest and integral like he states. There were many credit card companies & legal letters providing refunds as the service was not fit for purpose. When I sent my letter to Michael I was greeted to 10 missed call He was belittling me on the phone, his language was vulgar. 

A lot of the people who have been issued there refunds are too scared about writing up as they are worried about their online business. 

I am lucky I did not pay for his 1on1 service and I'm still in shock about how one professional could treat everyone in such a way. He is a shambles of a business man, yes he may be "successful" but this has come from ripping off and conning a lot of people in the process. For every person who got a refund i can guarantee that there are at least 3-4 who haven't.

I am amazed about the people here who are commenting but haven't paid to work with him, there must be some form of discount being initialized... this is not natural at all... how can one comment on someone they haven't worked with? 

PLEASE DO NOT USE MICHAEL DEVLIN... HE IS FULL OF S*** DESPITE HAVING SOME SUCCESS. AS ADAM CORRECTLY SAID, KEEP KICKING A BALL AT A GOAL AND EVENTUALLY ONE WILL GO IN. TRUST ME. THERE ARE A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO ARE UNHAPPY, SOME WHICH ARE STILL GOING THROUGH LEGAL ADVICE AS WE SPEAK. 

REMEMBER... YOU WILL ONLY SEE WHAT MICHAEL WANTS YOU TO SEE, NOT THE TRUTH.

I HAVE READ COMMENTS ABOUT PEOPLE THINKING ADAM IS COACHING OR REFERRING OTHER GURU'S... I CAN VOUCH FOR HIM THAT THIS IS NOT THE CASE. DID HE HELP ME WHEN I WAS STUCK WITH MY BUSINESS, YES, WE SPOKE ON THE PHONE AND HE HELPED ME WITH THINGS WHICH MICHAEL DIDN'T BUT HE DID THIS OUT OF THE GOODNESS OF HIS HEART AS A GESTURE OF GOODWILL. 

I have seen a lot of these sales reports... my question is how much free stock have you given away and I can show you my report of my business not achieving £20,000 per month... this is definitely not from anything that Michael Devlin has taught.

We spent over £10,000 with Michael Devlin, we achieved nothing only thing except wet hanky with tears. The only thing he gave us was a headache and tears with how he spoke to us. Thanks to our credit card company we have got some of the money back. He is a true con artist! 

We know of at least 20 other people who have had similar situations. Those who did not pay via credit card are going through the relevant legal channels but there are still many who have cut their losses of several thousand.

All of these people who are all singing and all dancing and haven't worked with him are delusional. One day like many of us you will all see the real Michael Devlin for what he is. 

I owe everything to Michael Devlin. I am now approaching 10K sales days thanks to him and my business has been completely transformed and ready to be sold next year. . Working with Michael isn't easy, far from it, that's because he pushes you to succeed with complex training that costs real money to execute and some don't like it and I've also joined his brand partner program where michael is set to do all the marketing. Not being able to afford your stock then blaming your coach and failing to do the work yourself after being shown is f*cking outrageous and I'm only replying because I seen your post you shared about this thread in a group on social media. Every positive reply you say is fake, every written recommendation you say is fake, when all are from real customers accounts on social media. If you don't want the truth don't seek out sh*t about a guy who's changing lives daily for countless people, including me. As students we hold ourselves accountable for our own successes and failures and I feel personally insulted by what you've written. No ones perfect but your accusations are just rediculous. Your complaint is about his training yet you've been refunded and still went on to try and discredit everything the guy has done then post repeatedly that no one is to believe the good stuff. Seems like a motive for gain yoursids. What planet are you on Adam? are you in any way aware of how petty and jealous you appear? I'm in all of Michael's programs and will be more than happy to provide a verbal recommendation to anyone all day long. Maybe, one day, when you grow up Adam, you might one day be like Michael Devlin.

 First, the main reason why customers are here commenting in Michaels defence as the author, Adam, wants to go around amazon groups making a fool of himself by posting this thread only not realising how respected Michael Devlin is by almost all of his students. Yes there are a few vocal unhappy's but that's because they either can't wrap their heads around Michael's methodology or they don't have deep enough pockets to play in his yard. Either way that's not Michael's fault and if you think it should be then you too shouldn't be in online marketing. Michael Devlin is one of the smartest marketers I've ever worked with and he will exhaust your capital in stock because that's what marketers do, the ramp you up to sell a LOT of product. Adam is also evidently struggling to do what michael can, and that is get blistering results on amazon - As a student of Michael's I am in one of the most competitive niches on Amazon.com and we are now having to hold around 600K in stock to service our 1.4M in sales six months on course for 4M in 2018 and if you are not used to dealing with an animal of that size then YES you will go bust like Adam's company - Michael will create that Animal as demonstrated many times. Thankfully I was equipped financially (not without struggle) or (third party investors) and I have been with Michael since the start and I'm also part of his 800 strong group and now investing with him in the brand partnership program. There is a major issue with others not knowing their sh*t and blaming coaches online but if you a re prepared to work with the best you better be prepared to spend like them. I have watched many B*ch about s*t like this in the past I only came here to say these are my results and if you want a written referral I am happy to provide one. Don't go into Amazon groups and post your link if you don't want to hear the positive also Adam. Yes, I too will become a 25K brand partner in August. PEACE OUT! Michael C

I first met Michael just over a year ago and after reading the original complaint and responses I felt compelled to contribute to this “report”. After a few years in the Amazon seller market place selling other people’s products I came across Michael and his services by chance (thank God I did).  I was looking for someone to help guide me through the process of building my own portfolio of products, all I can say is Michael is without a doubt that person and I wanted to share my experience of this so called “con artist”! I am not currently a Brand Partner (reason why below) however I wanted to express the fact as soon as I able to join the program I will not hesitate.

Michael’s techniques and teachings are some of the most advanced and innovative I have ever seen and I have been in the IM world for almost 15 years.  Michael’s ability to be able to adapt his teachings and courses is unparalleled.  He could easily keep rehashing the same old rubbish as the other “Guru’s” do however when something stops working he will do everything in his power to find a solution to either go around it or smash through it, this is something I have personally witnessed at least 3-4 times this year alone.  In the world of Amazon if you do not adapt, you die and this is something that is made clear to all his partners/students from the get go!

On a personal note a few months ago I made a comment on a Facebook page that Michael spotted and thought was out of character for me so he rang me and asked what was wrong?  The day before I had found out that I had made a catastrophic error that would eventually cost me somewhere in the region of six figures (the only reason I am not in the Brand Partnership at the moment).  Michael spent the next hour on the phone talking things though, giving his thoughts on what could be done and offering some words of comfort.  My whole point on this is that this is something a scammer or con artist would NOT do.  Nothing could be done to save my mistake however Michael took the time to not only check I was OK but to see if he could genuinely help (what a MONSTER eh?).

To the original author of this post you have been refunded therefore you cannot claim any rip off or scam has taken place, at best you can say you’re not happy with the service you received (which is in your opinion) however this does not constitute trying to damage someone’s reputation or business by bad mouthing them all over the net.  

 steve, firstly, the person i know didn't even have Michsel choose a product. Secondly, Michael would tell you this, he lines up negative stories before they are released so when you hear the actual story you don't believe it. Why do you think it took him months to respond to me? After all the bullying, legal threats even telling other students to talk to me about what his actions would be. Thirdly, if someone has £25k spare, given to Michael to be a brand partner, out of the thousands of products they could choose extra, why would they risk loosing £25k for what... £10k of stock? Lets see proof here that someone stole the product. The fact everyone believes this is ridiculous. You've given £25k to someone to then steal an idea of a product when the whole point of the partnership was to find a product, grow a brand etc so one actual product idea for £25K DOESN'T MAKE SENSE! This shows how he's jumping on his defence band wagon in fear. Everyone is talking about a story they have no proof or hard facts about just what Michael Devlin has said. Last time he told me not to work with the owner of Jungle Scout as he stole a product idea off his one on one customer. People, this is the same guy who offered his Aston Martin out for free to his students, gained hype, traction and sympathy. A post along the lines of "i'll give this as a competition, share and post if you want"... Last minute guilt tripped people by saying "no, actually i won't do this, i'm going to sell it and gift the money to charity of one of the students... Does anyone have a problem with that? Write below if this is okay"... Guess what, we have an even better kind, genuine saint here... Such a nice man yet for such a big heart he's got credit card companies calling him daily, legal threats coming in and he picks up the phone bullying everyone. want to be a real hero, do what Jungle Scout did, start a product, ne open and legit about it, raise £1m and donate it all to charity instead of bad mouthing them on why to use him over them. People, if you honestly think i'm making this up over one little thing then have that much time for justice over money I got back via legal threats then you deserve to lose your money. P.s. If i spent £25k on a business then i too would get significant results personally.

That 25K has proved to be my best investment ever. Now, let’s put this ridiculous claim to bed shall we!

All this noise about Michael Devlin being a con artist and being ripped off by him is just ridiculous. Anyone who knows him will tell you that he is one of the most trustworthy and generous people you are likely to meet, especially in the online business space. Unfortunately, some people don’t like to accept responsibility when things are not going their way and they are all too quick to vent their issue online.

Michael has recently had to be vocal about someone who had paid him 25K and then they stole his product. THEY STOLE HIS PRODUCT, not the other way around. He was fully transparent about this to his whole network. He didn’t have to be but he was. Now that doesn’t sound like a con artist or like someone who is out to rip people off to me. That’s honesty, openness and full disclosure right there. Not the actions of someone trying to hide something.

As for being all talk, all i have ever known Michael do is let his numbers do the talking. Not just sales but profits also.  After all, you can’t argue with proof unlike a lot of the so called guru marketers out there who rarely show you proof and who never tell you what it really takes to make it in this business.

Frankly, that was one of the main things which attracted me to his coaching style. I’d previously been sold training which only gave snapshots of what was really needed to get my business started. One phone call with Michael and he told me straight what was needed and where i was going wrong. No BS. It seems to me that you don’t like hearing the truth but it was like a breath of fresh air for me. 

This all sounds like you ran out of cash and just wasn’t ready scale like you thought you were. It’s all well and good wanting to play with the big boys but they INVEST in paid search and data. Nothing is for free and you have to be patient.

Since i’ve known Michael Devlin i have met many of his students who just like me have had their lives and businesses literally transformed by his coaching and as a brand partner that has just 10X my whole business as a minimum.

The results Michael is producing with brand partners are results which are literally unheard of in this industry. Truly life changing stuff which is why i find this thread such a difficult read when i know the truth. In fact, it offends me personally.

My whole future and outlook as an Amazon seller has completely changed since linking up with Michael. He’s changed the game in commerce and made success possible to all who want it.

As a final word, i STRONGLY RECOMMEND you DO use Michael Devlin and his services. That is if you want to learn from one of the best in the business (fact), someone who has true integrity and a true passion to help people world wide escape the struggle and take their business to unimaginable heights.

If you are ever lucky enough to get that opportunity you should grab it with both hands and hold on tight. The Brand Partnership has without doubt been the best 25K i have ever spent as it’s changing my family's life for the better day by day.

Already a massive seller doing 80K a month on Amazon scaled to over 10K per day thanks to Michael Devlin and his Massconversions startegies. 

Also booked one on one and and it is intense and you do NEED BIG money but if you have any qualms about working with Michael and you REALLY want to scale your sales you'll be pushed to be in any better place. 

Contact Chris K inside the massconversions and brand warfare closed  group and recieve everything you need to know about the genius behind MDs training. 

Now time to get back to imprtant sh*t like selling on Amazon. 

 I love seeing all of this. He was asking for video referrals last time and people to stroke his ego on weekly conference calls. What has he offered you for this feedback... Nothing is free with Michael Devlin... Go back to school? I see how taking £500 investment to £10k per month turn over with £6k profit without using Michael Devlin's advertising advice is school boy tactics yet when using Michael we loose significant money... Makes sense. I did this in 5 weeks at pound Stirling not dollars.. So 35 days without using Michael... Anthony, no this person did not steal his idea. They are already doing £100k a month not using FBA and thought they would sign up, they didn't even get to the product stage and Michael claimed all the budget was used up. I'm sure there are one or two successful people, take enough shots at a goal and eventually a ball will go on. Paul - There is a huge network of unhappy people... I agree, going to your credit card company to get a refund as the person who sold you the product won't issue you one. Good luck, i hope you do well, all the people who entered his brand programme have left and have taken legal action. The reviews are all legit, the fact that there is over 3 secret online groups with people wanting refunds... That doesn't ring alarm bells? The only reason i was issued a refund was because i had significant legal standing to sue him.Michael had messed up too much and gone back on his words so many times then bullied and tried to manipulate us. There honestly no motive behind the posts except justice. If it was just me whp was unhappy then i'd take it on the chin, we all have a bad experience here and there. When it is everyone i spoke to in the programme... I had people on the phone in tears to me but you have no reason to believe me but I don't consult and don't want to consult. For the record i met these other Amazon Guru's since leaving Michael Devlins programme. Good luck Lesley, i honestly hope it works for you and you don't read back thinking he was right. I was there from the beginning with many many others and saw it all go down the drain. Anyone want to know what happened to Mark Houng? Anthony - can you prove that the success was all Michael Devlin? He took credit for my products and several others for other people reaching national publications.. Pen and paper it looked great and legit and he just of got us there but why would you know otherwise... It's a regular thing of him taking credit trust me here. I can name 3 other people who are all unhappy and he did it too. Do people really thing i have enough time to complain about one person if it wasn't so major?

In the interests of full disclosure, please know that I have also 25k invested as a brand partner and can honestly say that I have had no complaints to date. 

I know from my own experience, and from what I’ve seen from the successes of others, that Michael Devlin is the real deal. But I guess if you can't afford to play with the big boys then it’s probably best to stay out. 

The world of eCommerce changes very rapidly, none more so than Amazon, and so it means that what used to work won’t work now. Michael appears very alive to this fact and his ability to pivot quikcly means others have to be prepared to change strategy and mindset in order to keep up with him. Unfortunately not everyone is cut out to do that and would therefore probably should at others way to make a living.

I think the other case in reference relates to a guy who signed up for Michael’s 25K partnership, who then reportedly locked him out of Amazon and stole his idea. The case is ongoing I believe so the truth will be established before long.

For anyone thinking of working with Michael I would strongly suggest contacting him first and finding out exactly what you would be signing up to. He doesn’t hide behind BS and assumes you’ll understand your responsibilities too if you partner with him. Simply put, if you don’t do the work, if you don’t take the strategies onboard and implement them, and then don’t make the money, you’ll only have yourself to blame.

For the small number of pro-report comments I've read, I really can't relate to names like 'Student 1', 'Student 2', etc...they just appears to be made up in a weak attempt to support the case.

For the person who created this report I would strongly recommend removing it if you have already been refunded. You really cannot call it a ripoff or a scam if you got your money paid back. It just comes across as being petty and unneccesary. Seriously, move on and get a life!

I have been participating in several of Michael Devlin's programmes for about a year now.  I am an experienced seller on Amazon UK, EU and US.  I have seen substantial increase in my business since working with Michael and can honestly say he's the real deal.  As well as an increase in my Amazon business I have built a shopify site for one of my brands and a POD site for another brand.  I am seeing profit in both these sites already thanks to Michael (and this is something I knew nothing about before taking his courses).

I am now one of his Brand Partners in the Brand Partnership Programme massconversions.com/masstrafficwebinar  The work and communication in this programme is first class and my product will be released early August of this Year.  I have no doubt that this product will do well with the help of Michael and his team, he stands by his students and he is a 100% genuine guy who really wants his students to do well.  I've been with Michael Devlin as a student for almost a year now so I know what I'm talking about.

Spent 25K in Michael Devlin's brand partnership program and just launched reaching 10K in sales inside 22 days scheduled to hit 100K per month by December. 

Is this report a joke Adam?

Keep reading the context and i keep saying in my head "Doesn't make sense"

Screams SCAM on your behalf Adam.

Do you have an alterative motive? 

All i can say is this:

Working with michael is the best thing i ever did. He's honest, open, friendly and a down right good human being.

He makes millionaires yearly hence why i'm on board and my product is flying.

Yes I'm under contract

Yes I have signed an agreement

Yes I understand that it is me who is responsible for my investements.

This report screams of sour grapes or some other motivate.. Don't trust it in my opinion.

I'll get back to you in 24 months and tell you how i flipped my brand.

If you can't afford to play with the big boys stay in school. 

Providing refunds isn't a scam being kicked out of school for not having enough cash is also on you

YAWN!

 wow, desperation as fake, child like comments come out. I have no interest in coaching, nor recommending a coach. I have successful Amazon businesses plus other businesses which take up my time and would not coach. The fact that a "fake" comment has to be produced is actually hilarious. Please screenshot what you may deem as evidence of me recommending my services or other Guru's. I believe in honest services, if i were to try and guru's off then there are plenty of groups which I could go and do this in but is this ethical? Nope. As i mentioned, i have no interest in this. I love seeing people succeed surround my self by positive people. Since i've posted the comments i've been flooded with messages of unhappy clients, i will continue to update this thread with all messages i've received until justice is served. I'll give you guys some ideas of how a successful con artist works at scamming people such as Michael Devlin... (excuse exact dates) March 2015... Amazoners academy is launched to stsrt to sell a guarantee to get you to 6 figures in 6 monhs...£600 limited time offer...Michael Devlin did this with no advertising spend.. (wow, maybe we can do this too, seems great!)...Course goes live in October... Many questions asked on weekly conference calls (this will be answered next week... Every week this happens). Suddenly if you want that information you will need to join up to our new service.. Profits engine elite... Valued at £2000 per year or £200 per month (numbers slightly out). This will give you answers to all the questions you have and do all these great things.. We will not upsell you, as Amazoners academy members you will get an exclusive price..." Wow, seems great." Goes live in December, this will make you all succeed we are told, it does all these great things. It woll be a game changer.. Also now you've signed up i will have a private. One on one call with you all, i really want to focus on seeing you all succeed... "Wow, he seems amazing." Profits engine released, everything on there is locked except a rip off version of jungle scout... Didnn't work properly... Any questions it would be brushed off. months in, still no full access but amazing promises of what the service will do... Over rated syatem and valued by Michael Devlin saying his landing pages are wotth £2000 (PLEASE NOTE, i paid £20 on fiverr and had a better looking and functioning pages) Loads of members asking what will happen and when... "it's coming soon"... 6 months in, agitated customers, people not happy.. Suddenly, no Proofits Engine systems working. All negative comments deleted within seconds of being published and person who posted being deleted from group.Focus directed away from profits engine, never hearing about this system again and this all new singing, all dancing system introduced.. "Mass Conversions... Sons and brothers"... A real family, intimate approach but as exsisting profits engine customers we will get an exclusive deal of only a few thousand but we won't need to invest any more money after this, this is the one, i will definitely guarantee to get you £100k, or brand partner with the great Michael Devlin, he's being very selective about who he's working with but you must pay £25K BUT HE WILL DO ALL THE WORK"... As per conference call the sales all come in, people talking about investing all their savings and it being a great move... People ask about Profit Engine and its brushed under the table... People arr asking about where alll their money has gone and what they are getting... No answers to any of this... (scam alert!).. Months into Mass Conversions people aren't getting results... People are complaining again, people asking about profits engine guarantees and whats happening and Michael Devlin denies all comments were ever said. This Mass Conversions blows up but no one is seeing results... Next minute all attention is moved away once x amount of sales are generated and this new 100k Hustle is introduced... Another money back guarantee service.. If you don't get to 100k within x time frame we'll give you your money back... tbe focus is diverted away from all of us paying customers and guess what... you won't have to invest in anything else. This is it. All other customer neglected... As i said... Patterns of Michael Devlin being a con artist and scamming people... Build a hype, sell it, don't give people what you suggested, shove it under the carpet and bypass all questions while you gain traction about a new product you are selling... Blow that up with hype, sell it, forget about exsisting product and laugh comments off... Repeat! Anyhow you tell me...

HOW do you STEAL business from the biggest names in an industry?

Write a rip off report then go around all the FACEBOOK groups..and post...um...let me help you.....um...and don't deal with this guy...use me.....

This is how NOT TO do Affiliate Marketing:) 

NO nomral customer REFUNDED behaves like this dude....

Shame on you Adam...:( 

I clearly stated that on the initial course i learnt the basics of how to sell on Amazon. Although your "how to find the best product" was poor, i used free resources to obtain all of this. There are other "guru's" who provide this information for free which is much more in depth. 

Every week on the course someone would ask when we were going to learn about topic "X" and it would always be a "That's a great question, that will be covered in weeks to come. Please find attached screenshots of many of Michael Devlins false promises. 

We were also promised that we would be able to rank organically on page 1, no where was it told that a £10,000 per month minimum advertising spend would be required. 

It is about being ripped off, people have obtained their refunds through their credit card companies or threatening to take you to court and you knew you had a serious lack of evidence for it to stand up. 

Earlier today I posted on a few Amazon groups my experience... turns out that there are other secret groups online of people who have been ripped off by Michael Devlin and and feel that mass conversions, profits engines and 100k Hustle is a waste of money and time. Please see my screenshot below to the message i received. 

Also a further message saying "There are many victims" was sent to me... Is that envy?

There is no envy in this thread, we afflilate ourselves with a lot of successful people including people who are selling over £500,000 per month, we are happy for them.. never a bad feeling and why? This is because they haven't ripped anyone off or made fake and empty promises, leaving people stranded then bullying them if they want their money back. I have received calls from people who were in tears after some of the things Michael said about them. 

Please people, wonder why there is no other negative reviews about him... even the best companies out there get negative reviews but us to be the only ones please think about the consequence.

I'm confused here... I was spending £50 a day and earning £400 with our best day in excess of £900.... yet when we started using Michael Devlin this dropped... Surely using a "Guru" would mean that we would earn the same amount of money throughout the period, may drop a bit but then we smash our goals? Considering we received no PPC keyword training we did alright without Michael Devlin and soon as we used him our business crumbled. 

It is the responsibility of a coach to say "if you want to succeed this is the recommended budget you will need. When the client has been fully transparent about what he/she is or isn't earning you would know if you could help grow this client.

Michael Devlin as per the previous comment

"This is where most FAIL subject to know how or WRONG PRODUCT and NOT ENOUGH MONEY!"  - 

erm... well if we were earning £10,000 a month before we paid to use you and then suddenly were loosing £6k a month surely this isn't down to a wrong product? 

Michael Devlin as per the previous comment

"If someone is intimidated by HONESTY and you don't like a coach telling you NEED TO SPEND MONEY to make MONEY online then you shouldn't be ONLINE - It's as simple as that." - 

Michael Devlin you are far from honest and as a seller we all know that you need to invest to get a ROI but you only tell people they don't have enough budget when you have failed them. I have a list of people  I can call upon to who will support the comments of Michael Devlin's lies and failure as a coach. 

I'm almost intrigued to how many refunds he's had to issue because of his lack of ingerity. Why would people need to go to their credit card companies? I've never had to use my credit card company ever to get a refund and i spend a lot of money!

Michael Devlin as per the previous comment

"It should also be noted that these individuals are now in the AMAZON space (looking to coach) offering (lifestyle training) and I guess, sadly for them, when you actually discover someone who's REALLY good at what you want to do, and later discover (it's really f*cking hard) then I guess the last resort is to make sh*t up about an authority on a forum like this:)"

This is incorrect, there is no lifestyle training, one of the partners is a professional fight instructor and coach, he offers fighting and instructor courses. The other is into Amazon, part of master minds but no, not looking to coach, he is surrounded by a good mastermind of honest, amazon sellers and guru's. He has provided free help to those from Michael Devlins course who have struggled but not looking to coach, it is not in his interested. It is hard to be honest by the looks of it! 

This forum is about being honest, not as a tactic to slander the competition, there is no competition, we are not in the same industry or world. 

We have no reason to lie, we are affiliated to a lot of Amazon Guru's, we are both business owners, we love seeing people succeed but hate seeing people subject to vulnerability. 

Please find attached some more screenshots of false hopes and empty promises... 

This will be my last response to this thread as it is cluttered by complete fabrication to defame subject to the individuals now offering (lifestyle coaching) whilst having multiple failed products and a company about to be struck off under the Companies ACT! 

Here are Michael Devlin client attachments  attached from the previous post.

Hello all,

We never denied that we initially learnt how to sell on Amazon via the initial course.

The strike off is irrelevant to this situation. 

Yes, we had poor reviews, this all occurred when we lost over £15,000 RRP worth of stock and had no more money to purchase anymore. We have had hundreds of purchases and had  alot of very positive reviews but as we all know, people don't write positive reviews online, only negative ones. Michael discussed introducing a new review platform which never happened and left members of Amazoners Academy/Mass Conversions/Profit engine unhappy. 

No, Michael Devlin doesn't buckle to threats as he stipulates but he will bully you when you are unhappy and complain. If you post a negative comment on the Facebook group it will be removed, you will be removed and deleted and he will contact you. Most times he will call you up on the phone, catch you off guard and try to manipulate you. This occurred to my business partner Darren who had no digital marketing experience. Darren picked up the phone on several occasions by mistake and words were placed into his mouth. Darren kept saying "i don't know, talk to Adam" so he didn't open himself up to anything which may harm him or the business.

Michael stipulates "If you'd like to read over 65+ professional written recommendations from students and industry leaders I invite you to follow me on linkedIn here linkedin.com/in/ukmichaeldevlin/" 

There is a HUGE problem here... Linkedin, Facebook you can control your reviews.. you can delete or don't accept anything negative.  

When we put this review on here we had several missed calls each and then we were welcomed with this email:

" You hereby informed of proceeding for damages in relation to defamation of £25,000 together with outstanding invoices gratuitously credited no becoming due.  

I have attached a few screenshots of conversations we have had with fellow members whom also feel like they have been ripped off and scammed by Profits Engine, Mass Conversions & Amazoners Academy.  There is a range here... they are all from months ago when we had the initial problems... you can see comments such as...

4th March - student 1

"I am in dispute with him over £25k I (stupidly in hindsight) paid to him. Got absolutely nothing to show for it and he is refusing to give me any of it back!"

27th October - Student 2

"Yeah I've been thinking about contacting Michael or my money bk as nothing worked unless i paid hundreds of pounds each day on sponsored adverts!! That wasn't mentioned in the academy..."

26th July - Student 3

"We're going to sit down tonight and ull everyhting together and decide how to play it e.g. do we ask him for a refund again or just contact the credit card company and request one from them and let them deal with him"

28th October - Student 4

"Great to hear I'm not alone! I gained NOTHING from MD Amazon course/tweet Academy or profits engine and have not heard from Michael since I started selling. I had to spend hundreds on sponsored adverts to get any sales from Amazon otherwise I'm nowhere to be seen! So much for 'growth hacks' 'power urls' 'dominating amazon' 'keywords' i may of well just set up an Amazon account alone and used his fee for the advertising! My sales came a lot from word of mouth and social..."

Student 5

"Full PE refund credited today!"

If you are wondering where all of these reviews came from, there is a private Facebook group of unhappy Michael Devlin, Profits engine and Mass Conversions customers. 

There are plenty more but conversations mainly took place over the phone. the feedback from all of his customers was

"we thought we were alone..." 

Michael Devlin speaks about how he has made all of these sales... I don't doubt that he or someone else he knows has but has he ripped off and scammed a lot of people along the way... if this isn't enough due diligence for you and you want to use his business then that is at your risk.

Michael speaks at the end here saying

"PS I took this company on in good faith as I was assured that they were making substantial profits but separately take responsibility for not financially checking the budget on hand by this company and have since made the appropriate measures to ensure I don't get caught out again."

We're slightly confused here.... Michael offered people the chance to "partner" with him of an investment of £25k... this includes products, his time etc... I'm pretty sure that £25k is enough budget but as you can see above or now below...

"4th March - student 1

"I am in dispute with him over £25k I (stupidly in hindsight) paid to him. Got absolutely nothing to show for it and he is refusing to give me any of it back!"

Who's being caught out here... Michael or his "client"? 

Let's be straight here also... We were very transparent about our costs and profits, we also never had a problem before gaining sales with our set advertising budget in place... so much so we would spend minimal amounts (£50) and earn £3-400 a day... The only thing Michael Devlin did was increased our advertising spend dramatically which put us into Amazon debt.

Student 4 also had something similar... we were all aware that there was an advertising fee but we weren't informed that it was going to be £10,000 a month which is what he told us on the phone just to see results. His words were "I have a friend who dominates your niche, he spends £10,000 a month on finding keywords, if you can't afford this then you will be diluted"... we were never told this at the beginning, we were very open about what we were spending and what we wanted, we have no reason to lie about it, especially to a "mentor" who was supposed to guide us through.

To conclude, we have stood up to Michael and are unhappy about his service, a lot of people back down, give in, or get their refund if they sign an NDA never to talk about certain things again. If you do your research on the internet you won't find anything else about Michael but I'll leave that for you to work out why.... any questions from anyone then please feel free to ask and I can provide supporting evidence for everything mentioned.

DNA Armour Ltd 

2 officers / 0 resignations

Hi Everyone,