Report: #95711

Complaint Review: Michael Moore!

  • Submitted: Mon, June 21, 2004
  • Updated: Thu, November 09, 2006
  • Reported By: Dale City Virginia
  • Michael Moore!
    Michaelmoore.com
    Manhatten, New York
    U.S.A.

Michael Moore! Ripoff He's At It Again With More Or His Version Of The MOORE Truth! Loud Mouth who trashes this Country but as always with his kind, no other alternative! Manhattan New York *Consumer Comment ..The real RIP OFF is the family's of the dead soldiers killed over OIL and Cheney's buddies government contracts.

*Consumer Comment: Is This About Michael Moore-- Or Jerry Springer?

*Consumer Comment: Shawn.....

*Consumer Comment: Simple facts

*Consumer Comment: Run and hide - liars - Ben, James, and your ilk . . .

*Consumer Comment: The same Constitution

*Consumer Suggestion: More Proof Of Moore's BS!!!!!!!

*Consumer Suggestion: More Proof Of Moore's BS!!!!!!!

*Consumer Suggestion: More Proof Of Moore's BS!!!!!!!

*Consumer Suggestion: Um... Ben

*Consumer Comment: A guy made a movie

*Consumer Suggestion: Robert, if you were not so out of touch...

*Consumer Suggestion: PEOPLE!!! GIVE IT UP ALREADY!!!!!

*Consumer Suggestion: PEOPLE!!! GIVE IT UP ALREADY!!!!!

*Consumer Suggestion: PEOPLE!!! GIVE IT UP ALREADY!!!!!

*Consumer Suggestion: PEOPLE!!! GIVE IT UP ALREADY!!!!!

*Consumer Comment: Who's the ripoff? Michael Moore provides a product that many enjoy, yet Robert wants to censor our right to explore other views, than his own

*Consumer Suggestion: Arron

*Consumer Suggestion: What are you talking ABOOT, Mr. Canadien?

*Consumer Suggestion: Robert, if you were not such a redneck

*Consumer Suggestion: To James in Canada!

*Consumer Suggestion: Some Americans are not Rednecks!

*Consumer Suggestion: My Dear Robert;

*Consumer Comment: Bush, illegals, Moore?

*Consumer Suggestion: Sheesh Robert...

*Consumer Suggestion: Enough is enough!!!!!!

*Consumer Comment: Question for Kristin.

*Consumer Comment: The Truth

*Consumer Suggestion: Dear Paul

*Consumer Suggestion: I want my party back!

*Consumer Suggestion: Ez Little ben!

*Consumer Comment: Michael Moore is nothing more than white trash with money

*Consumer Suggestion: Nothing to do with being liberal.....

*Consumer Suggestion: Kerry wasn't a rich elitist, right Ben?

*Consumer Suggestion: Good American? Bush is a typical republican. Takes money out of government coffers under the ruse that the "government takes too much of our cash!". Then puts us in a spot where we have to give it right back out to his cronies in the oil business.

*Consumer Suggestion: Most Americans have no idea why we are at war in Iraq. They think it's about oil. Some say to fight terror. Others say 9/11. Wrong.

*Consumer Comment: us down here in the south know how to SPELL - His only objective is to promote his ideology "the world according to Michael Moore"

*Consumer Comment: isn't Bush aware that he is killing potential republicans? Most women from New York are shallow and completely dependant on men for money and housing.

*Consumer Suggestion: Jeff - yes!

*Consumer Comment: First DANNY, let me say...

*UPDATE Employee: A lot of name calling!

*Consumer Suggestion: Debbie is a space cadet! NOBODY IS HENDERING YOUR FREE-SPEECH.

*Consumer Suggestion: I don't know about Robert, but I can tell you where slavery started Cherry.

*Consumer Comment: Mz. Susan...I B*T%H I DO NOT WHINE!!!!!!! Michael Moore is being chastised, as I am, for excercising free speech.

*Consumer Suggestion: DOES ANY STUDY AMERICAN HISTORY

*Consumer Suggestion: DOES ANY STUDY AMERICAN HISTORY

*Consumer Suggestion: DOES ANY STUDY AMERICAN HISTORY

*Consumer Suggestion: Anita, Kate, Debbie and Melinda are disgraceful.

*Consumer Comment: Something beyond control

*Consumer Comment: OH PLEASE ALL OF YOU

*Consumer Comment: My last response . . .

*Consumer Suggestion: Melinda and Anita have lost their minds. They are to be pitied.

*Consumer Suggestion: Melinda and Anita have lost their minds. They are to be pitied.

*Consumer Suggestion: Melinda and Anita have lost their minds. They are to be pitied.

*Consumer Suggestion: Melinda and Anita have lost their minds. They are to be pitied.

*Consumer Comment: Uhhh.....Milenda, a blanket statement? ....A few moth holes, perhaps?

*Consumer Suggestion: Anita, you've lost your mind.

*Consumer Comment: Thank you Butch for feeding into the bull...

*Consumer Suggestion: That is enough. Stop name calling and shame on you Butch

*Consumer Suggestion: I see Aaron has made another liberal snap!

*Consumer Comment: Get a grip.. M.Moore is more of a patriot than most because he says what he thinks and believes no matter what anyone thinks.

*Consumer Comment: Butch and Aaron, ARE YOU Crazy???

*Consumer Suggestion: Debbie, you are NUTS! no wonder you are a liberal feminist.

*Consumer Comment: Silly Rabbit?? ..I am not fat, illiterate, inbred or white trash and I have never lived in a trailer park

*Consumer Suggestion: Debbie - I am sorry to read of your loss. Republican Democrat whatever you claim to be is no excuse to treat each other badly.

*Consumer Comment: Mz. Faye, I should have proof read what I had written to better clarify.

*Consumer Suggestion: Debbie, what are you talking about?

*Consumer Suggestion: Debbie, Debbie, Debbie. You speak of using truth but offer none.

*Consumer Comment: Anita, just ignore them. it dawned on me that they were actually members of Al Qaida and just trying to infiltrate the general public

*Consumer Suggestion: Shame on you Anita!

*Consumer Suggestion: Anita, listen here:

*Consumer Comment: To Robert and Tammy with Postscript to Others, If you had seen the film, you would know that, not once, did Moore "trash" our country.

*Consumer Suggestion: Should've Entitled The Flick, An Accurate Portrayal Of The Republican Party.

*Consumer Comment: Republicans in the senate are trying to prevent Democrats from adding $20 billion to the $33 billion fiscal year 2005 homeland security spending bill

*Consumer Suggestion: Are they going to give Homeland Security more teeth

*Consumer Comment: Here is your reply John, Many of the intelligence problems that allowed terrorists to slip into our country

*Consumer Comment: Now, now... it's an admittedly biased view of the President and matters related to 9/11 and the war in Iraq.

*Consumer Comment: Allegations...No facts. Congress afraid of Bush?

*Author of original report: Liberal responses from liberals

*Author of original report: Only In America!!!!!!!

*Consumer Comment: CLARIFICATION

*Consumer Comment: Right on, Pamela

*Consumer Comment: Robert YOU are the MORON IDIOT!!!!!

*Consumer Suggestion: Umm, isn't this site for helping consumers not bashing us

*REBUTTAL Individual responds: Thank You, One and All!

*Consumer Comment: It is people like you who scare me

*Consumer Comment: No Robert...

*REBUTTAL Individual responds: Interesting comment Tom..."The Truth" until they are seen by intelligent people

*Author of original report: Most of you miss the point

*Consumer Comment: no action apparently so he must prove his manhood here on these posts

*Consumer Comment: "Don't Hate The Player...Hate The Game!

*REBUTTAL Individual responds: Hope You Enjoy The Movie

*Consumer Comment: Bush is a corporate blow boy that could care less if you had a job, or if the price of gas goes up to $5 a gallon

*Consumer Comment: Tony IS Robert!!!!

*REBUTTAL Individual responds: Oh Well.

*Consumer Comment: Hey Robert Can You Read

*Consumer Comment: To the Two Roberts

*Consumer Comment: To the Two Roberts

*Consumer Comment: Who are you!!?

*Consumer Comment: Who are you!!?

*Consumer Comment: AMEN Matt!

*Consumer Comment: And Tammy you have got be VERY NAIVE to think Bush had nothing to do with this?

*Consumer Comment: Oh Dear Loretta,

*Consumer Comment: Oh Dear Loretta,

*Consumer Suggestion: an added note...

*Author of original report: The Rewards Keep Rolling In!!!

*Consumer Comment: I think you guys are in the wrong place

*Author of original report: What genocide?

*Consumer Comment: Republican? or Democrat? not sure which way to go

*Consumer Comment: Robert of Dale City is an IDIOT with his head up Bush's Backside!

*Consumer Comment: "Last-Word-Robert"

*Consumer Comment: Most Responses Show Why People Are Ripped Off!

*Author of original report: Missing the point is what thieves and con men count on

*Consumer Suggestion: You Made It Political When YOU Told The Liberals To AND I QUOTE Get Their Heads Out Of Their BUTTS

*REBUTTAL Individual responds: Another lowlife liberal. You people are like roaches

*REBUTTAL Individual responds: It's still a Ripp Off!

*Consumer Comment: Now I will go see the movie it's Friday

*Consumer Comment: If anyone is the Arrogant a*s Robert, it's YOU!!!

*Consumer Comment: ALL PLANNED!!!!!! GET BUSH OUT OF OFFICE!!! NO MORE LOSED LIVES TO PAD POCKETS!!!!!!! People k**e Robert makes a FORTUNE from DEATHS!!!!

*Consumer Comment: Dale City, Robert...

*Consumer Comment: insulcult the intelligence

*Consumer Comment: War ain't pretty??

*REBUTTAL Individual responds: Its A RipOff Report!

*REBUTTAL Individual responds: The Know It Alls Are Out In Full Force!!!!!!!

*REBUTTAL Individual responds: If you want personal, I'll make it so!

*Consumer Comment: oh this is wonderful, Richard I am sickened by the response from your fellow Dale City, Virginia resident.

*Consumer Suggestion: AND BY THE WAY

*Consumer Suggestion: We all have opinions, I don't see the rip-off here

*Consumer Comment: Darren... Keep going and you may get that GED

*Consumer Comment: You might need another nap

*Consumer Comment: SAW THE FILM

*Consumer Comment: First off Tammy,

*Consumer Comment: Dale City, Robert...

*Consumer Comment: GO TAMMY!

*Author of original report: Oh Well! Honestly, I don't give a d**n what anyone in Europe thinks about our President

*Consumer Comment: Roaches? stay asleep and believe

*Consumer Comment: Wow!! captivated reading

*Author of original report: Thanks For The Help, But Against These People, It Isn't Necessary!

*REBUTTAL Individual responds: Liberals Talk But Never Say Anything

*Consumer Suggestion: Assigning Titles ...has extremism in any form made our world a better place to live?

*Consumer Comment: Dawn I am sorry for calling you Tammy...

*Consumer Comment: Round and Round

*Consumer Comment: Matt could you,

*REBUTTAL Individual responds: Marilynn in Mesa!!! Clearly, you can't underswtand something very simple!!

*Consumer Comment: I have one question for those that saw the movie...

*Consumer Comment: About the Roaches comment.

*REBUTTAL Individual responds: Leave It alone Knilja!

*UPDATE EX-employee responds: Thank You Robert and Thank You Ripoffreport.com for this venue

*Consumer Comment: From "The Hill" (Congressional Newspaper) Fahrenheit 9/11' ban?

*Consumer Comment: d**k in Dale City

*Consumer Comment: Bush ain't a cowboy-he's a corporate blow boy

*Consumer Comment: Just the facts, ma'am- " A maggot that eats off the dead"

*Consumer Comment: Would you please explain TROLL.

*Consumer Comment: There are so many factual errors in Michael Moore's movie

*Consumer Comment: Debbie one more thing.

*Consumer Comment: Bush is a liar and a cheat.

*REBUTTAL Individual responds: You're The Idiot Pamela from Atlanta!!!!!!!!!

*Consumer Suggestion: Dale City Robert....

*Consumer Comment: I Saw The Film

*Author of original report: To Pete and Vickie! Why are you two continuing to make this political????

*Consumer Suggestion: Where are you getting your facts, Ralph?

*Consumer Suggestion: So Many Missed The Point!

*Consumer Comment: How to check out such allegations on Bush and other stories...

*Consumer Suggestion: Dear John-a respone to another brain washed, spoon fed lemming...

*Consumer Suggestion: Matt - Las Vegas, Nevada-you taught me more of the truth

*Consumer Comment: The way Robert sees things

*Consumer Suggestion: Robert - Dale City, Virginia--->This is my last stance on the topic.

*Author of original report: Now This Is Getting Entertaining!!!

*Author of original report: It was a Rip-Off Report you MORON!

*Author of original report: Wrong name, same inane chatter!

*Consumer Comment: First of all Pamela, you really, really don't beleive that Bush let it happen, that Bush somehow planned this

*Consumer Comment: Pete...What facts???? ...the number of US military killed under the age of 30 in Iraq is high because the majority of members in the services are under the age of 30.

*Consumer Comment: Robert knows the "Truth"

*Consumer Comment: Robert, ???????

*Consumer Comment: I still have my eyes and my tongue.

*Consumer Comment: Strange, the movie hasn't even been released yet...

*Consumer Comment: Strange, the movie hasn't even been released yet...

*Consumer Comment: Strange, the movie hasn't even been released yet...

*Consumer Comment: Strange, the movie hasn't even been released yet...

*REBUTTAL Individual responds: Where are your facts Debbie?

*REBUTTAL Individual responds: Where are your facts Debbie?

*REBUTTAL Individual responds: Where are your facts Debbie?

*REBUTTAL Individual responds: Where are your facts Debbie?

*Consumer Comment: But have you even seen the movie?

*Consumer Comment: But have you even seen the movie?

*Consumer Comment: But have you even seen the movie?

*Consumer Comment: But have you even seen the movie?

*Consumer Comment: It's clear to see that

*Consumer Suggestion: A suggestion for the author

*Consumer Suggestion: A suggestion for the author

*Consumer Suggestion: A suggestion for the author

*Consumer Suggestion: Geena, RE: Port of Houston

*Consumer Suggestion: Geena, RE: Port of Houston

*Consumer Suggestion: Geena, RE: Port of Houston

*Consumer Comment: Dale City Robert...

*Consumer Comment: Dale City Robert...

*Consumer Comment: Probably more like Facism

*Consumer Comment: Hi Marilyn

*REBUTTAL Individual responds: This was only a Rip-Off Report!

*Consumer Comment: To Robert of Dale City, Virginia who started the name calling???

*Consumer Comment: This whole bashing argument is ridiculous...

*Consumer Comment: Wow. This just keeps going, and going, and going...

*Consumer Comment: a little common since please, Robert.

*Consumer Comment: To Robert of Dale City, Virginia who started the name calling???

*REBUTTAL Individual responds: Get OFF IT Lady! You're WRONG!!

*Consumer Comment: JUST LIKE PEOPLE USE THEIR RIGHT TO PROTEST IN THE STREETS AGAINST THE WAR, SO DOES PEOPLE AGAINST THIS MOVIE.

*Consumer Comment: MAN OF FEW ACTIONS, JUST FULL OF OUR MONEY

*Consumer Comment: For a query by Tammy of Michigan

*Consumer Comment: Hey Bob.

*Author of original report: those on this website that know me quite well liked my posting

*Consumer Suggestion: Politics, politics, politics......

*REBUTTAL Individual responds: ONE MORE TIME!!!!! FOR PAMELA!!!!!

*Consumer Suggestion: What ever happened to the saying "Judging a book by it's cover"?

*REBUTTAL Individual responds: HATER/RATER

*Consumer Comment: All this over a movie?

*Consumer Comment: Well Now

*Consumer Comment: It's just too funny

*Consumer Comment: Just some Facts

*Consumer Comment: Trolls

*Consumer Comment: Name calling lessons your points

*Consumer Suggestion: Can one of you tell me Kerry's position?

*Consumer Comment: What debate? And is Kerry the best you can do?

*Consumer Comment: Tight-lipped, uptight, and nervous ..We are all in big trouble if George W. Bush runs our country for another 4 years.

*Consumer Comment: Bush sounded like Porky pig last night. ..Kerry showed strength, conviction, and a steady command of the facts

*Consumer Comment: Michael Moore is brilliant!!!!!

*Consumer Comment: Michael Moore is brilliant!!!!!

*Consumer Comment: Michael Moore is brilliant!!!!!

*Consumer Comment: Michael Moore is brilliant!!!!!

*Consumer Comment: The real RIP OFF is the family's of the dead soldiers killed over OIL and Cheney's buddies government contracts.

*Consumer Comment: Just the facts

*Consumer Comment: Enough Hate Already

*Consumer Comment: An Apology to Shawn

*Consumer Comment: Daniel, Read, for the love of God, Read

*Consumer Comment: Daniel, not only do I not feel as if I were...

*Consumer Comment: Daniel, not only do I not feel as if I were...

*Consumer Comment: Daniel, not only do I not feel as if I were...

*Consumer Comment: And the winner is...DANIEL! Vicki, I'm on YOUR side

*Consumer Comment: Poor poor debbie, when people are wrong and have to way to prove them selves they get hostile

*Consumer Comment: "I believe the best prediction of future behavior is past behavior"?

*Consumer Comment: Daniel I can no longer stand your stupidity. Have you really paid attention to the numbers of not only men but women who are married serving in Iraq?

*Consumer Comment: Murderous? Daniel, YOU are Murderous! I picture you in a white sheet.

*Consumer Comment: These brave men deserve our support, and so does their commander(Bush).

*Consumer Comment: Daniel you are a BRAIN WASHED SHEEP! ..murderer in the name of Bush's GREED! 9/11 was murderous enough by his hands!

*Consumer Comment: commies and liberals, not americans

*Consumer Comment: Shameful Behavior. This is still America. We have the right to free speech.

*Consumer Comment: Shameful Behavior. This is still America. We have the right to free speech.

*Consumer Comment: Shameful Behavior. This is still America. We have the right to free speech.

*Consumer Comment: Shameful Behavior. This is still America. We have the right to free speech.

*Consumer Comment: Michael Moore the Only Man with a Plan

*Consumer Comment: Daniel--see why I am a liberal and not a conservative? Your hostility is a dead giveaway!

*Consumer Comment: if you want to have the government run by liars and theives then be my guest vote

*Consumer Comment: Daniel IS Robert! ..probably works in the Bush administration and paid to patrol boards such as these!

*Consumer Comment: The iraqi's whom have been liberated love us, the ones who don't, including you i assume hate us for taking action

*Consumer Comment: Daniel from Bountiful, you willing to shed YOUR blood for the sake of a better Iraq?

*Consumer Comment: A very funny topic if you think about it

*Consumer Comment: Assult ban?

*REBUTTAL Individual responds: A Tad Bit Too off The Track!!!!

*Consumer Comment: Michael Moore is a HERO!!!!

*Consumer Comment: Robin, Reread my post

*Consumer Comment: Hey Bush Supporters...

*Consumer Comment: Previous Post ..Its about oil, profits, oil, profits, oil, dead proletariat sons & daughters, oil, profits, are you getting the idea yet?

*Consumer Comment: The point is for every opinion there is an equal and opposite opinion.

*Consumer Comment: Rennaissance Festival???? talk about deception......

*Consumer Suggestion: You blame the president about the Assault weapons?

*Consumer Comment: "Michael Moore Hates America" peels hide off of MM-Receives 10 minute standing ovation in Dallas!

*Consumer Comment: Where the hell was Bush or any of the leaders of this country when they knew that the assault weopons ban would end today at midnight

*Consumer Comment: Where's the ripoff? Here's the ripoff.

*Consumer Comment: Commander and thief... Read the facts...

*Consumer Comment: Michael Moore American Patriot, I have been screaming for impeachment of Bush

*Consumer Comment: Michael Moore American Patriot, I have been screaming for impeachment of Bush

*Consumer Comment: Michael Moore American Patriot, I have been screaming for impeachment of Bush

*Consumer Comment: Michael Moore American Patriot, I have been screaming for impeachment of Bush

*Consumer Comment: Democrat John Kerry commanded a Navy Swift boat in Vietnam and won five medals, including a Silver Star. Bush is a draft dodger.

*Consumer Comment: If you all notice...

*Consumer Suggestion: Hey Pamela....

*Consumer Comment: YOU TELL EM AARON!

*Consumer Comment: Peace on Earth, goodwill toward men and women... I would never vote for Bush for president

*Consumer Comment: No, YOU get educated Darren!

*Consumer Comment: Wow, this is still going on.....

*Consumer Comment: It Takes Real Courage to Desert Your Post and Then Attack a Wounded Vet

*Consumer Suggestion: Hey Darren....

*Consumer Comment: it's about time......

*Consumer Comment: GET EDUCATED! I am AGAINST BUSH, b/c of people like Aaron, Sherri & Pam-idiot!!!

*Consumer Comment: Get off of your High Horse Jacob!

*Consumer Comment: Church has changed ..The only thing wrong with the Republican party is that they want to get rid of the middle class.

*Consumer Comment: Sorry Jacob that LOW CLASS like you

*Consumer Comment: Bush Is An Elitist, Condescending, Golddigging ASSwipe

*Consumer Suggestion: Bill...Thanks for stating the obvious.

*Consumer Suggestion: In the honorable words of Nathan Bedford Forrest:

*Consumer Suggestion: Listen up ... YOU NEED TO PRACTICE WHAT YOU PREACH!

*Consumer Comment: GOOD DEBBIE! STAY AWAY FROM THE CHURCH!

*Consumer Comment: Flame throwing responses

*Consumer Comment: Please read the Constitution word for word not any of the ammendments just the constitution

*Consumer Comment: Wow Pamela....

*Consumer Comment: I STILL haven't seen a GOOD response to the question of what the "rip-off" is......

*Consumer Suggestion: Hey Jeff ... DETROIT: The largest s**t-hole of them all.

*Consumer Comment: HA! HA! Gabriella - The w***e HOUSE LOON is mad! RAN to get her PIMP Douglas "the littleman" LOSER!

*Consumer Comment: Yes there are ladies left in the world!

*Consumer Comment: AARON = PSYCHO GAY IDIOT

*Consumer Comment: HEY DONALD, you silly freak.. I guess FL ain't all that bad

*Consumer Suggestion: Practice what you preach

*Consumer Comment: This subject is about Micheal Moore!

*Consumer Comment: MICHAEL MOORE HAS MY SUPPORT!!!!!

*Consumer Comment: APOLOGY... to bitter, jealous, self-righteous, hypocritical women like you

*Consumer Comment: PAMELA, NO RICH MAN WOULD LIKE YOU ANWAY

*Consumer Comment: You poor suckers just prove how stupid Pres. Bush really is

*Consumer Suggestion: We don't claim her.............

*Consumer Comment: YOU GO AARON!!!!

*Consumer Comment: JAIME IS A IDIOT GOLDDIGGING BUM THAT NEEDS TO LEARN TO READ!

*Consumer Suggestion: Gabrismella Psychodella....................

*Consumer Suggestion: Here we go again.........................

*Consumer Comment: Talk about so much JEALOUSY... atleast keep your envy on the downlow. Don't make it so obvious.

*Consumer Comment: THANK YOU AARON - MORE PEOPLE WILL NOW VOTE FOR KERRY

*Consumer Comment: I think we're communicating with a lightpole all right, and that's Aaron.

*Consumer Comment: On a final note... You are the reason women get a bad rap

*Consumer Comment: Talk about ridiculous talk!

*Consumer Suggestion: Hey Mark in Moronto.........................

*Consumer Suggestion: Hey Mark in Moronto.........................

*Consumer Suggestion: Hey Mark in Moronto.........................

*Consumer Suggestion: Let's get back to the topic......

*Consumer Suggestion: Just like I said.................

*Consumer Suggestion: Just like I said.................

*Consumer Suggestion: Just like I said.................

*Consumer Comment: LET ME SEE YOU AFFORD A $30,000 A MONTH RENT IN NYC

*Consumer Comment: LET ME SEE YOU AFFORD A $30,000 A MONTH RENT IN NYC

*Consumer Comment: LET ME SEE YOU AFFORD A $30,000 A MONTH RENT IN NYC

*Consumer Comment: LET ME SEE YOU AFFORD A $30,000 A MONTH RENT IN NYC

*Consumer Suggestion: Hey Jaime in the big rotten apple....

*Consumer Comment: Bush during Vietnam

*Consumer Suggestion: Think about it......

*Consumer Comment: How Canadians See America.

*Consumer Comment: PAMELA FROM ATLANTA, GA - YOU NEED TO LEARN TO READ, OVER THERE

*Consumer Comment: Robert-SAY WHAT?

*Consumer Comment: Misrepresentation by the media was the point.

*Consumer Comment: Those Are The Questions I would Like Answered Too

*Consumer Comment: Dumya and the idiots that believe his lies

*Consumer Comment: Speak for YOURSELF LIZ!!!!

*Consumer Comment: Robert from NEW JERSEY, I do not give a rat's a*s if anyone outside of THIS country has schools or electricity

*Consumer Comment: Oh my! ..I think that many posters should at least get a copy of the 9/11 Report

*Consumer Comment: RALPH, NY MEN ARE JUST AS SHALLOW

*Consumer Comment: Let's get this thing Straight

*Consumer Comment: Aaron - Townsend, TN, Tennessee, Bush ain't a cowboy...

*Consumer Comment: This is whatI think of this discussion

*Consumer Suggestion: Hey Vickie...Preach on sister!

*Consumer Suggestion: Actually.....

*Consumer Comment: RALPH NADER WANTS TO LEGALIZE DRUGS??

*Consumer Suggestion: Deer question maybe not so odd after all

*Consumer Suggestion: Hey Ralph...

*Consumer Suggestion: Hey Boz... or is it Bozo?

*Consumer Suggestion: Hey Boz... or is it Bozo?

*Consumer Suggestion: Hey Boz... or is it Bozo?

*Consumer Suggestion: Hey Boz... or is it Bozo?

*Consumer Comment: The Truth Will Come Out In The End

*Consumer Comment: The Truth Will Come Out In The End

*Consumer Comment: I think you should know something

*Consumer Comment: Aaron - Townsend, Tennessee--> Put the boots back on your sheep!

*Consumer Suggestion: Come on Ralph...

*Consumer Suggestion: Come on Ralph...

*Consumer Suggestion: Come on Ralph...

*Consumer Suggestion: Come on Ralph...

*UPDATE EX-employee responds: Opposing Bush is Not 'Hatred'

*UPDATE EX-employee responds: A Silver Spoon Is Gouging Unions

*UPDATE EX-employee responds: It is time to impeach bush

*UPDATE Employee: Bush's regular guy act is wearing thin, some of his other deceptions are becoming more obvious.

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Michael Moore, with his colorful version of WHAT he calls the TRUTH is at it again. This time with the piece of propoganda called "Fahrenheit 9/11"!
Here is a list of the following theatres that intend to show this trash!
Contact these people and protest.
Mike is just like these theatres. They are trying to make money!Support the local theatres but not Mike or his garbage!
LOEWS CINEPLEX ENTERTAINMENT
brian_blatchley@
michael_norris@ All 5 of these addresses end with
kerry_moots@ loewscpx.com
john_mccauley@
maura_Campbell@

LANDMARK THEATRES
lorim@
MattL@ All 5 of these addresses end with
diana@ landmarktheatres.com
hughw@
magnolia@
comments@

CINEMA ARTS THEATERS
http://www.cinemaartstheatre.com/pages.phg?pg=contactus

THE LITTLE THEATRES
info@little-theatre.com
marketing@little-theatre.com

DREXEL THEATRES GROUP

info@drexel.net
webmaster@drexel.net

CAMERA CINEMAS

Cameranet@aol.com

RIALTO THEATRE, CORP

info@rialtoarts.com

RIALTO CINEMAS LAKESIDE

info@rialtocinemas.com

THE SAVOY THEATER

film@savoytheater.com

REGAL ENTERTAINMENT GROUP

dgurin@
mcampbell@
amiles@ all these addresses end in
gdunn@ regalcinemas.com
pbrandow@
barry.brown@
rwinograd@
robbya@kevink@
ddelaria@

AMC CINEMAS

gslayton@
gthyer@
vdaniels@ all these addresses end in
mcook@ amctheatres.com
Mmcdonald@
Jmcdonald@
Psingleton@
Jbeynon@
Kconnor@

CARMIKE CINEMAS

fred@
philip@ All these addresses end in carmike.com
film@
do07@
do12@
do14@

CENTURY THEATRES

Jacque_clark@
Chris_OKelly@ Allthese addresses end in
Nancy_Klasky@ centurytheatres.com
David_shesgreen
Victor_Castillo@

This is only a partial list of the theatres planning to show this so called film.
Contact them via email and express your opinions.

Don't let these people win.
Although Michael Moore claims to be one of us hard working Americans and one who is trying to protect us, it all comes down to money.
Michael Moore has gotten rich off of half trusts, speculation and outright lies.
Michael Moore cares about money and how fast he can get it.
Wake Up America and open your eyes.
To liberals I say, get your head out of your butts and take in some fresh air. Clear your head and then you'll see what Michael Moore is all about!

Robert
Dale City, Virginia
U.S.A.
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#1 Consumer Comment

Is This About Michael Moore-- Or Jerry Springer?

AUTHOR: Joe - (U.S.A.)

This reads more like a transcript of the Jerry Springer Show than an essay about how Michael Moore allegedly ripped off movie goers by claiming that HE HAD THE CUTTING EDGE TRUTH..EXPOSE' or whatever it was that he was trying to prove.

Actually, Michael Moore allegedly ripped off Alex Jones' previous films concerning 911... But Alex doesn't seem to mind because THE WORD IS OUT!

And THE WORD says "ALLEGEDLY" that New World Order operatives were behind 911 to force the US military into the Middle East to guard the Bush/Cheney etc. OIL INTERESTS there! NOT because of any real Islamic threat. ( Guys in caves?)

Notice how the price of gas just "happened" to go down right before the election?

If you people don't wake up and realize what is REALLY GOING ON IN THE US --and it started back in Woodrow Wilson's administration with the creation of the so-called "Federal" Reserve until President Kennedy won the election he wasn't supposed to win because an Organized Crime person got mad at Nixon and allegedly threw the election in Chicago in favor of Kennedy.

President Kennedy and the same alleged "mob" guy were both conveniently dispatched so that they wouldn't be in the way the next time the CRIME PEOPLE wanted Richard Nixon and his gang of crooks in there. ( Check out Nixon's Vice President's connections to certain people in NJ, Spiro T. Agnew who had to resign because of the embarrassment...) THEN NIXON HIMSELF GOT IT because he was one of the more vocal proponents of the NEW WORLD ORDER! They found a way to take him out. It wasn't because he bugged the Democrats because IT IS ALL THE SAME RULING CLASS regardless of the outside label of Democrat or Republican....

After the disgrace of Nixon, the New World Order people had to put in Gerald Ford who promptly PARDONED Nixon ( Why did Nixon need a PARDON if he wasn't GUILTY!) and Ford is one of the biggest New World Order boosters there was. After Ford, everybody had it with the "CORRUPT REPUBLICANS" and so CARTER came in. Jimmy CARTER was also put in by THE NEW WORLD ORDER and he messed up the economy so he got his sorry self booted out after one term.

About this time, I began to see the beginnings of entire formerly middle-class FAMILIES becoming HOMELESS!

After Carter came REAGAN and for the first time in my life, I had a steady job and enough money to have a bank account and a place to live and I could afford groceries too! I LOVED REAGAN for that and he made me feel Secure. But I heard all sorts of BAD THINGS ABOUT GEORGE H.W. BUSH who was just a sorry one-termer. I knew he had been a CIA director with Nixon connections and that Reagan did not like or trust him! But George H.W. Bush was too open about proclaiming how great the NEW WORLD ORDER was going to be and how all of us peasants were going to be enslaved by TECHNOLOGY! And he said -- because he was THAT removed from REAL LIFE, or at least the life of us ordinary folks and HE HAD TO GO.

When he let the secret out of the bag, the New World Order types decided to put on a good diversion and get their friend and ally Bill Clinton and Hillary in the White House.

Clinton, a VERY GOOD FRIEND of George H.W. Bush ( Which is why George W.H. Bush did NOT run an aggressive campaign against him!) was next and he was too distracted with Monica and various babes and various money making opportunities -- like missle secrets to the Chinese, etc. to do much damage.

ONE THING I WILL SAY IN HIS FAVOR. HE RAN ON THE IT'S THE ECONOMY, STUPID and he DID SUPPORT THE ECONOMY! He was also on board when Enron, Ty-Co, World Comm and some of those other corporate criminals were running wide open! And all of the rest of the corruption started becoming apparent.

So who gets elected after "Honest, Truth-Telling BILL"?

Why it's RICHARD M. NIXON, THE SEQUEL!

The program that is being implemented here is just picking up where that EVIL TYRANT RICHARD M. NIXON ( May his name be cursed!) left off...

With George W. Bush the PUPPET and George H.W. Bush and d**k Cheney as the PUPPETMASTERS and shadowy New World Order masters --- international financial cartels, mainly the British bankers, notably the House of Rothschild and other multinational businesses --plotting to loot our country's resources, take all of our property through the SUPREME COURT DECISION ON EMINENT DOMAIN and put us all in FEMA concentration camps after we lose our jobs
(slated to be outsourced to India, Mexico, China and Pakistan), our homes ( because there are no jobs, we can't pay our property taxes or out mortages) and if we can't pay our utilities, the governmental agencies can declare our homes a "blight" according to the International Building Inspection Code and then the governmental agencies can TAKE OUR HOMES FROM US AND NOT HAVE TO PAY US---- THEN they can turn them over to REAL ESTATE DEVELOPERS!

Where will we go? What will we do?

Alex Jones suggests that FEMA camps will take us. Or maybe they really will cull 80 percent of the "useless eaters" as n**i-sympathizer Henry Kissinger called us ordinary folk by releasing e-coli and other viruses cooked in hellish labs on us... Maybe there really is mercury in the flu vaccines that are allegedly owned by New World Order corporations?

Michael Moore asks questions with his films.

And instead of fighting among yourselves here, you guys better be getting ready for a very bad recession which is supposed to be due after the first of the year!

And figuring out WHO you can trust enough to vote for.

I am afraid that Michael Moore MIGHT have told more truth than not in his 911 film. But he got that truth from Alex Jones. Google him and inforwars and see what is there.

Read it and be afraid. Very afraid.

Democrats or Republicans --just Different labels on the SAME bottle of rat poison!
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#2 Consumer Comment

Shawn.....

AUTHOR: Ben - (U.S.A.)

Ok shawn you say I lied?

Lets see.....I said.....

1.A guy made a movie.

2.It has a point of view.

3.Of course, there is always another view. Sometimes many other views.

4.But this guy made his movie...with his view.

5.Then a person made a post on a rip-off website about the movie.

6.And people are saying the guy that made the movie shouldnt have been allowed to make the movie because his view is different from their view.

7. Some people have gone as far as to say that the guy that made the movie is "Un-American" and "not patriotic".



So shawn which part am I lying about? Am I lying that Moore made a movie? Or am I lying that you people are pissed about it? Either way...If I am lying about either of these points then this thread should never have been made.

By the way if you have forgotten, an anti-Moore person started this thread!!

So....which is it?
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#3 Consumer Comment

Simple facts

AUTHOR: James - (U.S.A.)

The simple fact of the matter is:

Anyone that believes anything moore has to say is as stupid as HE says you are.

You went and gave him $120,000,000 for a "movie" that you should have seen for free. What's more important to him, the message or the money?
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#4 Consumer Comment

Run and hide - liars - Ben, James, and your ilk . . .

AUTHOR: Shawn - (U.S.A.)

It is soooo typical of you lowlifes - you have been PROVEN as spinners, liars, and idiots on another post, so you run and hide and spew your venemous trash elsewhere! You've been found! You probably belong here with the whole Micheal Moron topic anyway . . . you obviously don't have the intellect to debate anything/anyone with any morals or basis of fact. Continue on now, you know where I am.

Fear not my little haters, I won't be back here again - it's just another form of the same topics, with the same format - Facts presented with verifiable data, links, etc., followed by a response from some gaggle of left wing naysayers filled with the same B.S. rhetoric and lies that your "god" Micheal Moron spouts. Never able to prove anything, never willing to offer data, links, or source of material - just blatant, self serving, venemous spew from intentionally ignorant "citizen".

Keep spouting your lies here if you want, I won't be here to correct you . . . but don't try it on "the other one", I'll be there - continuing to prove you and your absurd and fellacious statements as such. The best part of it all, I can do it using your own "twisty", illogical rhetoric . . . I don't even need to work at it, you're just that stupid.

God Bless the U.S.A.
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#5 Consumer Comment

The same Constitution

AUTHOR: Bob - (U.S.A.)

While I may or may not agree with Michael Moore's movie, please note:

The same Constitution that gives you the right to express your opinions and trash Michael Moore, gives him the right to express his opinions in his movies.

To limit one or the other is akin to censorship and I spent 10 years in the Marines to ensure that you and he has those rights without censorship.

So, just remember.
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#6 Consumer Suggestion

More Proof Of Moore's BS!!!!!!!

AUTHOR: Robert - (U.S.A.)

Mr. I don't own stock I'm a regular guy just used the laws he cried for so many years "The Elite Rich" mostly Republicans or Conservatives were using to cheat Uncle Sam and this country out of paying taxes!
Michael Moore and his wife are now the sole employees of the TAX HAVEN TRUST he set up. Most important are the filings he had to make to the Internal Revenue Service listing his ASSETS!!!!!!
Anyone want to guess what some of MIKE'S holdings were then and still are today????
And why in the world would Mike b***h about Haliburton. The STOCK is doing great! AYE MIKIE????
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More Proof Of Moore's BS!!!!!!!

AUTHOR: Robert - (U.S.A.)

Mr. I don't own stock I'm a regular guy just used the laws he cried for so many years "The Elite Rich" mostly Republicans or Conservatives were using to cheat Uncle Sam and this country out of paying taxes!
Michael Moore and his wife are now the sole employees of the TAX HAVEN TRUST he set up. Most important are the filings he had to make to the Internal Revenue Service listing his ASSETS!!!!!!
Anyone want to guess what some of MIKE'S holdings were then and still are today????
And why in the world would Mike b***h about Haliburton. The STOCK is doing great! AYE MIKIE????
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More Proof Of Moore's BS!!!!!!!

AUTHOR: Robert - (U.S.A.)

Mr. I don't own stock I'm a regular guy just used the laws he cried for so many years "The Elite Rich" mostly Republicans or Conservatives were using to cheat Uncle Sam and this country out of paying taxes!
Michael Moore and his wife are now the sole employees of the TAX HAVEN TRUST he set up. Most important are the filings he had to make to the Internal Revenue Service listing his ASSETS!!!!!!
Anyone want to guess what some of MIKE'S holdings were then and still are today????
And why in the world would Mike b***h about Haliburton. The STOCK is doing great! AYE MIKIE????
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#9 Consumer Suggestion

Um... Ben

AUTHOR: James - (Canada)

Ben;

I am on your side remember? Sheesh! Canadians are not the ones beating their chests & screaming "might is right" & we have every right to take over the world!

However, when critisized, I don't mind bringing up that when a "just fight" is on... or was on... Canadians were in the fight from the beginning, with a very sizeable force, while the USA was having trade with the n**i's. That's all.

Moore showed how Bush ripped off the first election & there is more than enough evidence he ripped off his second. He lied to the American people "on purpose" & has been working in his "buddies" best interests since he got in to power. Simply screwing the American people just how Moore pointed out.

Every one of your other points are also valid. Sheesh!
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#10 Consumer Comment

A guy made a movie

AUTHOR: Ben - (U.S.A.)

Ok lets get this all down.


1.A guy made a movie.

2.It has a point of view.

3.Of course, there is always another view. Sometimes many other views.

4.But this guy made his movie...with his view.

5.Then a person made a post on a rip-off website about the movie.

6.And people are saying the guy that made the movie shouldnt have been allowed to make the movie because his view is different from their view.

7. Some people have gone as far as to say that the guy that made the movie is "Un-American" and "not patriotic".


I think that sums it up.

Ummmm, are we still in America? Because I thought it was ok to have your own point of view here. Or...at least it was once. I thought believing in freedom of views was a patriotic and American thing to do. Or....at least it was once. Maybe I'm wrong. Maybe I'm not in America anymore. Maybe this is Southern America now? Is that how it works in Southern America?




Oh, and another thing....

Did Moore use actors in his film? Or were those real corporate CEO's talking about all the riches they could reap from Iraq.......before the war even started? I mean lets get real people. If they were actors, then Moore was just showing his point of view. If they were not actors, then we SAW what actually happened.

Didnt someone mention something about "truth" in an earlier post?

If you American (oops sorry....Southern American....forgot that was another country) and Canadian folks can stop beating your chests about how many troops each country sent to WW2, and answer these simple questions, it eliminate some of the confusion.
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Robert, if you were not so out of touch...

AUTHOR: James - (Canada)

Robert;

If you were not so much out of touch with reality, you would realise that almost 70% of Americans "right now" are against Bush & his stupid war in Iraq.

I can guarantee you the percentage is higher with Canadians. Moore brought out 2 movies (documentries) to show you facts. Un disputeable facts... that Bush & his Administration is taking the American people for a ride.

Things he reported on, were not only true, but continue to this day "blatently" in front of your face, as it is with Haliberton.

Not only "don't your get it", but you feel so strongly that he was wrong, "when he clearly wasn't" that you slam him for no good reason. Then you don't like how people respond to your misguided rambleings.

The fact is, that now because of Bush's inept Presidency... you & I both have to worry about the next terrorist attack, when it will happen & where it will happen, as it surely will.

That, my dear Robert is what makes people like yourself so frustrating to deal with. There is no "freedom of speech" for the Journalists in Iraq, as they must be inbedded with the Military there & your views are clearly comming from what Bush wants to feed you.

I am not against Americans or your Country! I am for the 70% of Americans who can see something clearly wrong here.
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#12 Consumer Suggestion

PEOPLE!!! GIVE IT UP ALREADY!!!!!

AUTHOR: Robert - (U.S.A.)

I wrote a report stating my views on what I believed to be a RIPOFF in the form of what Michael Moore calls a documentary!
I was using my right to free speech to voice my complaint!

Most who responded only attacked me for being a n**i, a Communists, and so on and so forth!

Then we had the english teachers who decided to pipe in and show they could correct everyones spelling and sentence structure!

Of course then came the clown from Canada adding its two cents.

Everyone attacking me was using what they claimed to be their right to free speech to scream at me for using the same right!

All anyone had to do was merely say they agreed or disagreed with my report on Michael Moore's movie!

To use my report as a springborad for spewing your politics and venom towards the President or this country shows just how small minded people all over the world think.

I do thank those who contributed well rounded arguments to some very half witted responses from some who participated!

To James in Canada, if your responses weren't so d**n laughable and entertaining, I'd pass on them.

I've had plenty of dealings with Canadians. Seems tens of thousands of them are here and firmly entrenched in US society!

I've found many are very intelligent and far from being anything close to being anti US on anything!

Then there are the "MOOKS" like you!

Your only method of disucussing something with someone who opposes you is to attack them with childish insults!

Hopefully, you're as ugly as you are stupid and won't be able to breed and continue whatever species you are.

As stated in my past posting to you, a middle finger salute to you and yours!
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#13 Consumer Suggestion

PEOPLE!!! GIVE IT UP ALREADY!!!!!

AUTHOR: Robert - (U.S.A.)

I wrote a report stating my views on what I believed to be a RIPOFF in the form of what Michael Moore calls a documentary!
I was using my right to free speech to voice my complaint!

Most who responded only attacked me for being a n**i, a Communists, and so on and so forth!

Then we had the english teachers who decided to pipe in and show they could correct everyones spelling and sentence structure!

Of course then came the clown from Canada adding its two cents.

Everyone attacking me was using what they claimed to be their right to free speech to scream at me for using the same right!

All anyone had to do was merely say they agreed or disagreed with my report on Michael Moore's movie!

To use my report as a springborad for spewing your politics and venom towards the President or this country shows just how small minded people all over the world think.

I do thank those who contributed well rounded arguments to some very half witted responses from some who participated!

To James in Canada, if your responses weren't so d**n laughable and entertaining, I'd pass on them.

I've had plenty of dealings with Canadians. Seems tens of thousands of them are here and firmly entrenched in US society!

I've found many are very intelligent and far from being anything close to being anti US on anything!

Then there are the "MOOKS" like you!

Your only method of disucussing something with someone who opposes you is to attack them with childish insults!

Hopefully, you're as ugly as you are stupid and won't be able to breed and continue whatever species you are.

As stated in my past posting to you, a middle finger salute to you and yours!
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#14 Consumer Suggestion

PEOPLE!!! GIVE IT UP ALREADY!!!!!

AUTHOR: Robert - (U.S.A.)

I wrote a report stating my views on what I believed to be a RIPOFF in the form of what Michael Moore calls a documentary!
I was using my right to free speech to voice my complaint!

Most who responded only attacked me for being a n**i, a Communists, and so on and so forth!

Then we had the english teachers who decided to pipe in and show they could correct everyones spelling and sentence structure!

Of course then came the clown from Canada adding its two cents.

Everyone attacking me was using what they claimed to be their right to free speech to scream at me for using the same right!

All anyone had to do was merely say they agreed or disagreed with my report on Michael Moore's movie!

To use my report as a springborad for spewing your politics and venom towards the President or this country shows just how small minded people all over the world think.

I do thank those who contributed well rounded arguments to some very half witted responses from some who participated!

To James in Canada, if your responses weren't so d**n laughable and entertaining, I'd pass on them.

I've had plenty of dealings with Canadians. Seems tens of thousands of them are here and firmly entrenched in US society!

I've found many are very intelligent and far from being anything close to being anti US on anything!

Then there are the "MOOKS" like you!

Your only method of disucussing something with someone who opposes you is to attack them with childish insults!

Hopefully, you're as ugly as you are stupid and won't be able to breed and continue whatever species you are.

As stated in my past posting to you, a middle finger salute to you and yours!
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#15 Consumer Suggestion

PEOPLE!!! GIVE IT UP ALREADY!!!!!

AUTHOR: Robert - (U.S.A.)

I wrote a report stating my views on what I believed to be a RIPOFF in the form of what Michael Moore calls a documentary!
I was using my right to free speech to voice my complaint!

Most who responded only attacked me for being a n**i, a Communists, and so on and so forth!

Then we had the english teachers who decided to pipe in and show they could correct everyones spelling and sentence structure!

Of course then came the clown from Canada adding its two cents.

Everyone attacking me was using what they claimed to be their right to free speech to scream at me for using the same right!

All anyone had to do was merely say they agreed or disagreed with my report on Michael Moore's movie!

To use my report as a springborad for spewing your politics and venom towards the President or this country shows just how small minded people all over the world think.

I do thank those who contributed well rounded arguments to some very half witted responses from some who participated!

To James in Canada, if your responses weren't so d**n laughable and entertaining, I'd pass on them.

I've had plenty of dealings with Canadians. Seems tens of thousands of them are here and firmly entrenched in US society!

I've found many are very intelligent and far from being anything close to being anti US on anything!

Then there are the "MOOKS" like you!

Your only method of disucussing something with someone who opposes you is to attack them with childish insults!

Hopefully, you're as ugly as you are stupid and won't be able to breed and continue whatever species you are.

As stated in my past posting to you, a middle finger salute to you and yours!
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#16 Consumer Comment

Who's the ripoff? Michael Moore provides a product that many enjoy, yet Robert wants to censor our right to explore other views, than his own

AUTHOR: Dave - (U.S.A.)

Who's the ripoff?...Robert!!!!!

. We who like Mr. Moore's work would be denied freedom if Robert had his way. Why does Robert feel the need to control others?

Please be specific, what don't you like about B for C and F 9-11? Did you even watch the movies?

I have heard the complaints by those who oppose Mr. Moore and few hold any merrit. The one that I recall is a person who complained about the Bank scene and the free gun. This persons complaint was "you can't just pick up a gun at a bank, you have to wait for the background check". I just watched B for C again last week and yes they did mention a check needed to be performed.

Anyone with any knowledge of buying a gun knows there is a check involved. Conservatives will twist everything to make their point. The only point I take from Robert and those like him is they are filled with hate. So you don't like opposing views...you must not like freedom and the foundation of the United States, because, this country was built on balanced and fair judgement. Not one-sided dictatorship!

Sound like some people won't be happy with the USA until all the non conformists are wiped out.
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#17 Consumer Suggestion

Arron

AUTHOR: James - (Canada)

Arron;

What is wrong with your head where you think someone has to be "Liberal" to be against invading other Countries?

You have no issues, merely insults that don't make any sense. Yes Canada was fighting the n**i's way before the USA got into the fight & as a "matter of fact" Canada during WWII had a larger Army, Air Force & Navy than the USA had.

However what can you expect from some person living in Tennessee who does not even know how to spell Canadian's?

You & the "other redneck" just need an education is all.
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#18 Consumer Suggestion

What are you talking ABOOT, Mr. Canadien?

AUTHOR: Aaron - (U.S.A.)

I don't recall anybody writing in paragraphs on this thread especially fruity Canadiens.

You're grasping at straws. You've lost your argument after being thoroughly blasted by a Southern American. He saw you for what you are: a twinkle toed liberal.

Canada fighting the n**i's? I didn't know you pansies were capable of actually fighting. Was it an actual altercation or just a bunch of french-influenced whining that Canada is so widely known for?

How can you blast somebody for using the term "liberal" and then turn right around and use the term "red-neck."?

The problem is, dumbass, you reinforced the fact that you are just a sniveling liberal from a sniveling liberal country.

God Bless America and To Hell With Michael Moron!
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#19 Consumer Suggestion

Robert, if you were not such a redneck

AUTHOR: James - (Canada)

Robert;

If you were not such a redneck, you might have learned in school how to write in paragraphs.

However you are a redneck. So much a redneck that you feel facts are either Liberal or Conservative & you use the word Liberal as an insult!

First of all, I am not Liberal, but Conservative. Canada was fighting Nazis, while the USA was having trade with them & none of this has anything to do with "Facts" Moore presented!

Still all you do is attempt to insult in your "redneck way" & yet you bring up no points. Is that because you don't have any, other than your misguided knowledge of which of our two Countries supported n**i's?

Get an education redneck.
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To James in Canada!

AUTHOR: Robert - (U.S.A.)

I intentionally wrote my response to you just so you could show your ability to correct simple grammer.
At least you Canadians are taught enough to make yourselves appear almost brain dead.
What facts do you speak about in fatasses film?
He took bits and pieces of press confrences and edited them until he got what he wanted!
Even a Canadian could have done that...Maybe!
Your countires news reporting has always been just a bit behind the n**i or Communists Propoganda machines for being truthful.
You're a liberal as are most Canadians. And I've always thought that liberals were Communists too d**n scared to fight for what they say they believe.
Liberals let everyone else fight for the Freedoms, Rights and Protection all liberals say everyone is entitled to.
Liberals let everyone else pay for the protection needed to protect those Freedoms and Rights all Liberals say everyone is entitled to!
Yes, James, Liberals are always talking about this or that. Liberals are always accusing those who disagree with them that that person or group is violating their rights!
Maybe if liberals actually saw the world the way it is instead of the fantasy world they prefer to live in, then MAYBE, just MAYBE, liberals would shut their loud mouths and actually say something constructive!
Liberals waste more clean air than all the factories worldwide combined.
And liberals pollute every aspect of the world and have ruined most things they've ever touched!
Moore's film is anything but fact.
James, you seem to be what most liberals are.
People who just want to talk.
They slam everything they don't like and spend most of their time accusing those who disagree with them of being oil or war crazy.
Moore produced no actual facts in his movie.
He produced EXACTLY what he's produced and given the world each and every time.
HIS OPINIONS! HIS IDEAS! HIS VERSION OF WHAT HE CALLS THE TRUTH OR FACTS!!!!!!!
You just pay attention to anything that feeds you hate and mistrust of this Country.
Big FREAKING deal!
What you or any other Canadian thinks about this country don't mean squat.
You keep you sorry little butt in a country that is locked in the past.
James, you may be smoking a bit too much pot that your fine country seems to like in great quantities!
I forgot. James, you Canadians seem to prefer coke and smack to just pot!
And James, if history is correct, the first settlers to Canadian soil took anything and everything they could from the native people and used and abused them in whatever fashion they deemed fit.
History teaches us that someone is always taking something from someone or doing something to piss someone else off.
So what do you and so many others spend an unusal amount of their time trashing the US for exactly the same thing everyone else who gains any type of power anywhere in the world?
Get out from behind your computer and help a neighbor out! Try helping the elderly out on a daily basis if you have so much time.
How about helping kids and people less fortunate than you.
No James, you just play on the Internet looking for ways to trash others in the complete safety of the Internet.
You talk a good game but in the end, you are like all liberals. You can only talk.
Michael Moore put out a film he titled a Documentary! This is supposed to mean the movie contains FACTS as they happened!
Not some lazy fat a*s who likes to trash the very country he's getting rich off of.
And by the by.
michael Moore was supposedly in Florida recently at a FAT FARM.
Since Florida allows brain dead people to die, should those at the fat farm even try to help him?MMMMMMM I wonder.
Michael Moore, the ultimate con-man!
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Some Americans are not Rednecks!

AUTHOR: James - (Canada)

Some Americans are actually smart:

DADDY, WHY DID WE HAVE TO ATTACK IRAQ?
DADDY, WHY DID WE HAVE TO ATTACK IRAQ?

Q: Daddy, why did we have to attack Iraq?
A: Because they had weapons of mass destruction honey.


Q: But the inspectors didn't find any weapons of mass destruction.
A: That's because the Iraqis were hiding them.

Q: And that's why we invaded Iraq?
A: Yep. Invasions always work better than inspections.

Q: But after we invaded them, we STILL didn't find any weapons of mass destruction, did we?
A: That's because the weapons are so well hidden. Don't worry, we'll find something, probably right before the 2004 election.

Q: Why did Iraq want all those weapons of mass destruction?
A: To use them in a war, silly.

Q: I'm confused. If they had all those weapons that they planned to use in a war, then why didn't they use any of those weapons when we went to war with them?
A: Well, obviously they didn't want anyone to know they had those weapons, so they chose to die by the thousands rather than defend themselves.

Q: That doesn't make sense Daddy. Why would they choose to die if they had all those big weapons to fight us back with?
A: It's a different culture. It's not supposed to make sense.

Q: I don't know about you, but I don't think they had any of those weapons our government said they did.
A: Well, you know, it doesn't matter whether or not they had those weapons. We had another good reason to invade them anyway.

Q: And what was that?
A: Even if Iraq didn't have weapons of mass destruction, Saddam Hussein was a cruel dictator, which is another good reason to invade another country.

Q: Why? What does a cruel dictator do that makes it OK to invade his country?
A: Well, for one thing, he tortured his own people.

Q: Kind of like what they do in China?
A: Don't go comparing China to Iraq. China is a good economic competitor, where millions of people work for slave wages in sweatshops to make U.S. corporations richer.


Q: So if a country lets its people be exploited for American
corporate gain, it's a good country, even if that country tortures people?
A: Right.

Q: Why were people in Iraq being tortured?
A: For political crimes, mostly, like criticizing the government. People who criticized the government in Iraq were sent to prison and tortured.


Q: Isn't that exactly what happens in China?
A: I told you, China is different.

Q: What's the difference between China and Iraq?
A: Well, for one thing, Iraq was ruled by the Ba'ath party, while China is Communist.

Q: Didn't you once tell me Communists were bad?
A: No, just Cuban Communists are bad.

Q: How are the Cuban Communists bad?
A: Well, for one thing, people who criticize the government in Cuba are sent to prison and tortured.

Q: Like in Iraq?
A: Exactly.

Q: And like in China, too?
A: I told you, China's a good economic competitor. Cuba, on the other hand, is not.

Q: How come Cuba isn't a good economic competitor?
A: Well, you see, back in the early 1960s, our government passed some laws that made it illegal for Americans to trade or do any business with Cuba until they stopped being Communists and started being capitalists like us.

Q: But if we got rid of those laws, opened up trade with Cuba, and started doing business with them, wouldn't that help the Cubans become capitalists?
A: Don't be a smart-a*s.

Q: I didn't think I was being one.
A: Well, anyway, they also don't have freedom of religion in Cuba.

Q: Kind of like China and the Falun Gong movement?
A: I told you, stop saying bad things about China. Anyway, Saddam Hussein came to power through a military coup, so he's not really a legitimate leader anyway.

Q: What's a military coup?
A: That's when a military general takes over the government of a country by force, instead of holding free elections like we do in the United States.

Q: Didn't the ruler of Pakistan come to power by a military coup?
A: You mean General Pervez Musharraf? Uh, yeah, he did, but Pakistan is our friend.

Q: Why is Pakistan our friend if their leader is illegitimate?
A: I never said Pervez Musharraf was illegitimate.

Q: Didn't you just say a military general who comes to power by forcibly overthrowing the legitimate government of a nation is an illegitimate leader?
A: Only Saddam Hussein. Pervez Musharraf is our friend, because he helped us invade Afghanistan.

Q: Why did we invade Afghanistan?
A: Because of what they did to us on September 11th.

Q: What did Afghanistan do to us on September 11th?
A: Well, on September 11th, nineteen men? Fifteen of them Saudi Arabians? hijacked four airplanes and flew three of them into buildings, killing over 3,000 Americans.

Q: So how did Afghanistan figure into all that?
A: Afghanistan was where those bad men trained, under the oppressive rule of the Taliban.


Q: Aren't the Taliban those bad radical Islamics who chopped off people's heads and hands?
A: Yes, that's exactly who they were. Not only did they chop off people's heads and hands, but they oppressed women, too.

Q: Didn't the Bush administration give the Taliban 43 million dollars back in May of 2001?
A: Yes, but that money was a reward because they did such a good job fighting drugs.

Q: Fighting drugs?
A: Yes, the Taliban were very helpful in stopping people from growing opium poppies.

Q: How did they do such a good job?
A: Simple. If people were caught growing opium poppies, the Taliban would have their hands and heads cut off.

Q: So, when the Taliban cut off people's heads and hands for growing flowers, that was OK, but not if they cut people's heads and hands off for other reasons?
A: Yes. It's OK with us if radical Islamic fundamentalists cut off people's hands for growing flowers, but it's cruel if they cut off people's hands for stealing bread.

Q: Don't they also cut off people's hands and heads in Saudi Arabia?
A: That's different. Afghanistan was ruled by a tyrannical patriarchy that oppressed women and forced them to wear burqas whenever they were in public, with death by stoning as the penalty for women who did not comply.

Q: Don't Saudi women have to wear burqas in public, too?
A: No, Saudi women merely wear a traditional Islamic body covering.

Q: What's the difference?
A: The traditional Islamic covering worn by Saudi women is a modest yet fashionable garment that covers all of a woman's body except for her eyes and fingers. The burqa, on the other hand, is an evil tool of patriarchal oppression that covers all of a woman's body except for her eyes and fingers.

Q: It sounds like the same thing with a different name.
A: Now, don't go comparing Afghanistan and Saudi Arabia. The Saudis are our friends.

Q: But I thought you said 15 of the 19 hijackers on September 11th were from Saudi Arabia.
A: Yes, but they trained in Afghanistan.

Q: Who trained them?
A: A very bad man named Osama bin Laden.

Q: Was he from Afghanistan?
A: Uh, no, he was from Saudi Arabia too. But he was a bad man, a very bad man.

Q: I seem to recall he was our friend once.
A: Only when we helped him and the mujahadeen repel the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan back in the 1980s.

Q: Who are the Soviets? Was that the Evil Communist Empire Ronald Reagan talked about?
A: There are no more Soviets. The Soviet Union broke up in 1990 or thereabouts, and now they have elections and capitalism like us. We call them Russians now.

Q: So the Soviets ? I mean, the Russians ? are now our friends?
A: Well, not really. You see, they were our friends for many years after they stopped being Soviets, but then they decided not to support our invasion of Iraq, so we're mad at them now. We're also mad at the French and the Germans because they didn't help us invade Iraq either.

Q: So the French and Germans are evil, too?
A: Not exactly evil, but just bad enough that we had to rename French fries and French toast to Freedom Fries and Freedom Toast.

Q: Do we always rename foods whenever another country doesn't do what we want them to do?
A: No, we just do that to our friends. Our enemies, we invade.

Q: But wasn't Iraq one of our friends back in the 1980s?
A: Well, yeah. For a while.

Q: Was Saddam Hussein ruler of Iraq back then?
A: Yes, but at the time he was fighting against Iran, which made him our friend, temporarily.

Q: Why did that make him our friend?
A: Because at that time, Iran was our enemy.

Q: Isn't that when he gassed the Kurds?
A: Yeah, but since he was fighting against Iran at the time, we looked the other way, to show him we were his friend.

Q: So anyone who fights against one of our enemies automatically becomes our friend?
A: Most of the time, yes.

Q: And anyone who fights against one of our friends is automatically an enemy?
A: Sometimes that's true, too. However, if American corporations can profit by selling weapons to both sides at the same time, all the better.

Q: Why?
A: Because war is good for the economy, which means war is good for America. Also, since God is on America's side, anyone who opposes war is a godless un-American Communist. Do you understand now why we attacked Iraq?

Q: I think so. We attacked them because God wanted us to, right?
A: Yes.

Q: But how did we know God wanted us to attack Iraq?
A: Well, you see, God personally speaks to George W. Bush and tells him what to do.

Q: So basically, what you're saying is that we attacked Iraq because George W. Bush hears voices in his head?
A. Yes! You finally understand how the world works. Now close your eyes, make yourself comfortable, and go to sleep. Good night.

Q: Good night, Daddy.

Thank God for smart Americans!
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My Dear Robert;

AUTHOR: James - (Canada)

Robert;

If ya didn't spell like a redneck, if ya did know more about what goes on north of your border, you might not be "a redneck".

However you are a redneck. A little teachin fer ya there Robert, Canada has "daily mail" delivery, & the French basically settled a place called Quebec, which covers basically around 1/8th of the Country. A majority of people who live here are English & our Population is incraseing like crazy from Americans moving here because they wish to escape people like Bush.

However with your redneck brain, you spout things like:

America may have been started by people from EUROPE who then started a little war for them FREEDOM.

But Canada was forst settled by people who were the offspring of French brothers and sisters who got just a little close.

Which shows just how much of a redneck you are! If you have a point "redneck", please make it! If something in Moore's film is incorrect, make a point of it. Yea I am sure Moore makes money. What do you f**king think Bush is doing? Does it not bother you that Bush has money with the family of Bin Laden in oil? Does it not bother you that he lied about reasons for invading Iraq to you? Does it not bother you that you are only being fed information from "inbedded reporters" in Iraq & totally sensored by the Government you have who have already been proven in lies? Does it not bother you that people from your Government are up on "Criminal Charges"?

Is it possible that you are just sitting there in your little "redneck world", & be the first one suprised when a nuclear bomb finally goes off somewhere in the USA? I here in Canada am concerned, as that "nuclear cloud" will probably travel up north at one point.

Wake up & get some edumication dare redneck! Then comment when you can think & spell. Chew gum & walk too.
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#23 Consumer Comment

Bush, illegals, Moore?

AUTHOR: Ben - (U.S.A.)

One just has to giggle at the religous redneck right (thats them thar Bush supporters, if ya havent figured that out) when they tout the "illegals" situation. I have to just hit the floor laughing when they post on a thread about Moore like our dear dilusional Robert did.

Ummm, Robert, let me get this all down. You post on a thread about Moore (thus his film). A film that generaly just bashes Bush with un-altered video of him being shmuck, and his cronies being shmucks. You make some of the usual comments others have about Moore making money, then fall into a deep cavern of non-stop references to the subject of "illegals" in this country. Adding like a touch of frosting to the top that you think "Bush" is just another one of the "whores" in Washington. Totally forgetting that you posted on a thread about Moore and his film, bashing Bush. And thus, showing that not only are you a complete redneck, but that you have no clue as to where the hell you are posting. Also showing that you, sir, whine more than either side because your just whining about everything in general.

About this "illegal" situation. Did you also completely forget/miss/use-drugs/or otherwise generally supress the memory of the fact that Bush brought forth the idea of amnesty for all illegals several years ago.

Now who the hell do you think that would help the most? Other than the "illegals" themselves of course.
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#24 Consumer Suggestion

Sheesh Robert...

AUTHOR: James - (Canada)

You sure have a long post Robert;

It does not say much other than that you are a "redneck". Moore produced facts. Listen to them or not. They still are facts. Just because you don't like it & he shows how dumb you must be if you go along with the garbage Bush feeds ya, does not meant there is anything wrong with what he says.

Time for a "check up from the neck up today" , Robert! Are you red above the neck too?
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Enough is enough!!!!!!

AUTHOR: Robert - (U.S.A.)

The original complaint was against the Michael Moore film, or so that piece of tripe has been described as.
Michael Moore is not unlike anyone tryintg to make a fast buck! He finds issues out there in everyday life and then blows them up to suit his way of thinking. Then he figures out how HIS way of thinking can make HIM alot of MONEY!
Michael Moore has produced few FACTS in his books or movies!
What Michael Moore puts out there for all to see are his ideas or his intepretations of the war in Iraq, President Bush or anything else this rotund clown has come up with!
To all his supporters, you only prove the old saying "There's a SUCKER born every minute"!
Other than charge you a fee to blow smoke up your asses telling you things you already believe in ot already think, what has this poster child for birth control done for any of you?
What's he done to feed to poor or shelter the homeless?
What's he done to help the elderly in need?
What's he done to stop crime in the ghettos?
Has he come up with any plan to jump start the economy or to improve anything about this country?
To all of you that say Michael Moore is a patriot, inhale a big gulp of air and let some reach your brain!
So he opens his mouth and bitches whines and complains! Big FREAKING deal!
He'd be helpful if he had solutions!
All he is now is a self serving blowhard just out to line his pockets!
PRETTY MUCH THE WAY YOU LIBERALS SAY BUSH AND HIS CRONIES ARE DOING!
To the silly little twit wanting to know about slavery, lets have a little history lesson.
The history of most African tribes show that they routinel raided and attacked other tribes and villages.
Those they didn't kill were made SLAVES!!!!!
Not WHITES doing this but BLACKS doing this to other BLACKS!!!!!!!!
Then came along the DUTCH and other European countries like FRANCE, ENGLAND, GERMANY and lets not forget SPAIN all attacked african village after village killing, raping and enslaving those they caught!
Black slaves were all around Europe long before they ever came to the U.S.!
And just because you live in Maryland doesn't mean your State wasn't just as guilty during the slave days.
Much of the North may have been against slavery but they sure as hell didn't do much to help those that got away!
Those that were helped were really only being used by the anti South elements in the North!
Not anti-Slavery but ANTI-SOUTH!
And while all the hell was going on in the South before Civil Rights, what was the plight of the black man in the North!
About as good now as it was then.
People in the Northern part of the country seem to think that because their States were slave free that somehow blacks were treated as equals!
HAH!
Now back to the Michael Moore posting!
The first few replies were from people attacking me for my telling people not to go to a movie I thought was nothing but propoganda!
I was excecising my Right To Free Speech but the liberal clowns in this country who've almost destroyed all our once fine learning institutions and made most Americans afraid to speak their mind!
Debbie in Slidell, I'm sorry for your loss but you've used this complaint about Michael Moore and his movie as a venue to attack this country and the President!
To say that us giving aide to the Iraqi people because we've bommbed them is stupid!
You happen to live in one of the most corrupt if not the most corrupt states in this country!
And you seem to spout off the same type of political BS that eminates from La like an overflowing cesspool and has since long before Huey!
Now what would prompt someone to live in the most corrupt State in the country where LIBERAL and DEMOCRATS have ruled with an iron fist since about 1820 and actually complain about what someone else is doing.
If President Bush is corrupt, then he's a true beginner when it comes to the lowlifes and thieving politicians that you've lived around in that state.
How about Earl and Huey?
How about Edwin Edwards?
How about Ray Nagins and Kathleen Blanco before the hurricane!
They didn't do a d**n thing prior to the hurricane hitting and then turned it into President Bush and the government treating the poor like trash!
Were you out campaigning about health insurance, crime, feeding the poor or sheltering the homeless?
No Debbie, you were doing what most people, regardless or their political beliefs were doing each and every day.
Trying to work, pay bills and provide for your own family.
So health care in this country isn't what it or what you think it should be. Exclude all the people in this country who don't have health care because they don't want to spend the money!
Exclude all those people who have pissed away jobs for one reason or another where they had coverage.
Show me an honest, hard working person who just can't afford health care coverage and those are the people that need help!
As for the unemployed, exclude all the people who just don't want to work but want to b***h about not having a job and those not working because they can't find their DREAM JOB or those who are just plain SCREWUPS and those left are the ones you help!
Liberals want to stand on a soap box and tell everyone else how things should go.
The big problem with liberals is they won't stick to any workable plan on anything.
Liberals whine and complain while Conservatives go out and take action.
We may not be right 100% of the time, but until liberals come up with better ideas, its just not wise to trust them with anything other than sweeping the floors!
My exercising my right to free speech was attacked and then when rebuttals were made, I was attacked for being against free speech!
This shows most responding were only concerned with their points of view.
Typical for the liberals in this country!
We can thank the ACLU for good Americans being afraid to speak their minds.
In case no one has noticed, the ACLU is quickly destroying this country with their filing legal action against anything and everything!
And if you want to see just what kind or morals are behind the ACLU, some of their new clients are from the group NAMBLA.
This stands for the NORTH AMERICAN MAN BOY LOVE ASSOCIATION!
This group of sick and demented pedophiles belive they have the right to engage in sex with boys of ANY age!
And the ACLU agrees that stopping them is a violation of the pedophiles right to have sex with who they want to.
The ACLU says were have to accept any and all immigrants both legal and illegal or else we have to face the ACLU in court.
You let a group of blacks or whites collect like the SPICS all over this country do at various places and the police come in and ask for ID's!
But for the SPICS in this country, the whites and blacks trying to earn a living have to put up with 25 or 30 of them living in one house.
We have to put up seeing our tax dollars go for their free health care because they can't afford it.
Did you ever look at the cars and trucks transporting SPICS to their Free doctors appointments at the clinics in this country?
They can easily afford to pay. But they are infesting this country by the millions and quickly turning what were nice areas into little Mexico, little El Slavador etc. etc..
If you want to see just how many pieces of Mexican, El Salvardoran etc. etc. trash are hanging around, if you know spanish or someone who does, go around them.
What you'll hear them saying about people maybe standing right beside them at work or in a store will shock you.
I've heard some of the SPIC whores speak about taking over this country simply by out breeding whites and blacks.
If you're legal fine.
If you aren't you deserve nothing.
And if Bush and the rest of the whores in Washington had any love for this country, they'd stop the flow of illegals from Mexico.
And the illegals better learn one thing fast.
We Americans are tired of you being here. We've had enough.
Either leave on your own or the day may come when you're removed from this country via Mexican extradition!
In fact, I'll bet if we started using Mexican extraditions to return the SPICS home, the flow of illegals would stop because everyone in the Mexican Army and every Mexican Police Officer would be on the boarder to stop it.
Mexico doesn't wnat any of its citizens back.
And as an American, I'm tired of COWARDS leaving their countries in the millions and coming here to be cowards!
Stay in your own country and change it.
We don't want any of the trash that keeps coming in.
Illegals have slowed everything down because we english speaking people have to wait for some dumbasses to learn how to speak.
Our schools can't teach white and black students the way they should be taught because we have to make changes to help PACO and the rest of the Taco eating crowd!
Nuff said!
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#26 Consumer Comment

Question for Kristin.

AUTHOR: Patrick - (U.S.A.)

Kristin,

I have a question for you regarding this statement:

"1) The ONLY truth is JESUS"

How do you know?
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#27 Consumer Comment

The Truth

AUTHOR: Kristin - (U.S.A.)

This is the longest post I've ever read on rip-off. I only have 2 things to say:

1) The ONLY truth is JESUS

2) I like Aaron. He's the only one who makes a point! And a good one at that. Everyone else sounds like jibberish. Even me!
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#28 Consumer Suggestion

Dear Paul

AUTHOR: James - (Canada)

I can relate to much of what you say;

It is about money! However you do not have to make anyone do anything to call him a "terrorist".

Just look at Suddam. Fighting a war against Iran in the 80's, he was given "chemical weapons" by the good ol USA to continue the fight.

Those weapons were "ok to use" on Iranians. Not Kurds though right?

Kuait was "slant drilling" into Iraq. That was illegal! Even most of the UN agreed! After Suddam warned them "many times", he produced troops on their border & called for US reaction!

He was told by the embassy that the US had "no opinion" on the issue. Sounds like a "green card" to me!

All of a sudden, Desert Storm & accusations of WMD! None found but lots of oil for sure!

No Suddam did not have to be labeled a "terrorist" to start a war with him. He just simply had to be "lied about". A "spin" had to be fed to the American people & some of them are still gobbleing the spins up.

Stacey mentions people from her family killed in WWII. Were any of them thrown out of helicopters as in Vietnam? Oh what a good war that was! Oops... I forgot, it was not a war! Just something the USA stuck their nose in... "I forget"... for what reason? Possibly as Paul says to "test new weapons" at someone else's life expense. I mean nobody really cares about the Americans who died fighting such a stupid war or (non war), now do they?

Is the problem that Suddam was a dictator? I don't see anyone invading Cuba so far. Isn't China a dictatorship? What about N. Korea? Do they have attrocities like Suddam was labeled as having? Does any average American even know?

The USA was so "righteous" as they sold weapons to n**i Germany almost during the "entirety" of the war. Definately while German subs were cruising their way through Lake Ontario, destroying shipping from Canada to that war effort. Uh... many Americans forget that Canada was at war with Germany from the beginning!

Nope, you are right Paul, it is over money. A spin can be put on anything to justify the US need to invade anywhere! They do not need to "breed terrorists", as even if people are not, they can be claimed as being so.

One question should be confronted. Is it your Country? If not, it is probably "none of your business" unless you can get a "UN resolution" to do something about it, as the USA rarely waits for. There is a "World Court" & a World Bank & a UN to handle problems fairly.
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#29 Consumer Suggestion

I want my party back!

AUTHOR: Ben - (U.S.A.)

A nice quote from the religous "right" again....


"Matthew 7:3, Read it boy!"


Always with the religon. I want my party back. Give it to me, you self rightious hypocritical thieves!! You have hijacked the Republican party to turn this country into a Christian Afganistan. Thanks Pastor Bin Laden!

Get your religous crap off my body, away from my mind, and away from my life.

If you want to read a book written by a bunch of holed up monks 1500 years ago that never got laid in their life and couldnt even understand that the world was round, then be my guest.

I'll pass on it and live in the real world. You want me to read a passage from a storybook???? Why dont you really watch Moores film then. At least it has video of corporate CEO's salivating over the "potential profits" in Iraq. A video taken BEFORE the war started. And you idiots would call that "propaganda". Well my answer is a picture is worth a thousand words. Even from you little book. Ill take that video as fact any day over your little monk made book of mother goose stories.
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#30 Consumer Suggestion

Ez Little ben!

AUTHOR: Aaron - (U.S.A.)

Go back and read my post dipshit! Where do I say anything about not paying taxes, dumbass?

I would continue, but your own words are proof of your foolishness.

Matthew 7:3, Read it boy!
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#31 Consumer Comment

Michael Moore is nothing more than white trash with money

AUTHOR: Stacey - (U.S.A.)

- Jees let me think here - He has a $2 million dollar penthouse, sends his daughter to private school and yet he is just a "normal person" - I do not care for Bush but we are stuck with him - Michael Moore is trash pure and simple - his "movies" are one sided to benefit his agenda - This man cares nothing about anyone but HIMSELF pure and simple - Hey Michael Moore - go to Rwanda, Somalia - see what genocide is - My family was exterminated in the camps of Germany during WWII -
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#32 Consumer Suggestion

Nothing to do with being liberal.....

AUTHOR: Ben - (U.S.A.)

It has nothing to do with being liberal. Matter of fact until Dole in 96, I always voted Republican. But the Republican party has been hijacked by these fundamentalist Christian Talaban types. (Bush Jr. being one of them...hell even his father wasnt like that!)

If you had actually paid attention to my post, I really dont trust ANY politician. And I never defended Moore. What I wont do is defend what Bush has done to this country. Its not liberal, its not conservative. Its something completely different and evil.

So I can assure you Kerry was not "my boy". Nobody was. They both stunk!

Now about the liberal whinning.....

You like your schools, you like your roads, you like you lights to turn on when you come home.....

Pay your fricking taxes like a man ya moneygrubbing cheapskate! Everyone else has. What makes you so special that you dont have too. I'm sure you got an education out of it. Use it...moron.

Here is your "boy" in action....

"I don't spend a lot of time thinking about....why I do things" George W. Bush --June 4, 2003

You voted for that????? Frickin idiot!
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#33 Consumer Suggestion

Kerry wasn't a rich elitist, right Ben?

AUTHOR: Aaron - (U.S.A.)

What you need to do, boss, is stop with the liberal whimpering and rise above partisan politics. I got news for ya: Kerry and Bush both are bad for this country (Kerry being the worst). Michael Moron is an idiot, too. He really has won a lot of awards for his work.........NOT! The only place he receives awards is France.

I'm also tired of you ignorant whiners saying that Bush is from Texas. The Bush's are from Connecticut, morons! Of course they came to the South to exploit something or someone. Of course they are racketeering criminals. We've come to expect such lies and mis-representations from the Northeast.

Ben, your boy lost! Stop crying and act like a man!
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For you dopes out there that are still goose stepping behind Bush and the religious right.....

Tell me, how did you spend that $300 tax refund Bush Jr. gave you several years ago?

Probably just like me. On the inflated gasoline prices.

Bush is a typical republican. Takes money out of government coffers under the ruse that the "government takes too much of our cash!". Then puts us in a spot where we have to give it right back out to his cronies in the oil business.

Personally I would have been happy to not receive that tax refund and seen that surplus (the largest ever in the history of our country) go to fixing things wrong like social security and education. But no, it all went to some greedy SOB exec at some oil company so he could get his multi-million dollar bonus.

So I ask again, where do you like you money to go? Into some rich guys yacht? Or into making this country sound?

Ill pass on Bush, his cronies, their bonuses, and their yachts. I would rather see my money go somewhere that I can vote on (granted most politicians from all parties are crooks....but at least we have SOME say with our votes!), rather than see it go to someone I have no control over whatsoever.
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Most Americans have no idea why we are at war in Iraq. They think it's about oil. Some say to fight terror. Others say 9/11. Wrong.

AUTHOR: Paul - (U.S.A.)

Let me explain why we have wars.

It has nothing to do with oil. All the oil producing countries send us as much oil as they can fit in the tankers.

For many oil producers, selling oil is the only way they make money. No oil means no food money. It's just like you going to work each day. Stop working and you better stop eating.

War or no war, the United States can continue to buy oil right up until the day it all runs out.

So, are we at war to fight terror?

Again, no. The terrorist countries are just pissed off because our government is over there bothering them. That's what our government does. They go over into every country on the face of the earth and start s**t.

Well, now they got the Saudi lunatics all pissed off. I assume that's exactly what they intended to do.

Our government goes over and starts s**t in other countries because they need to make angry terrorists.

You see, angry terrorists come here and cause trouble in return. That gives the government a good reason to start another war.

So, why does our government want to start a war in the first place?

Actually, our government doesn't really want a war. They really don't care one way or another. They don't make the rules.

So, who did start the war? And, why did they do it?

Think about it.

What is the root of all evil?

No, idiot, not sex. And, not religion.

The root of all evil is money.

There's your answer. We make war to make money.

Think about who sells war products. It's a trillion dollar industry.

Those companies need a war in order to sell their war trash. So, they hire lobbyists to go to Washington. They buy enough of the government. That's not hard to do. They all take bribes.

So, after these war product companies pay their bribes, our government goes out and starts a war. Then business is good for the war companies.

It really doesn't matter who is in the government. Remember, all of them take bribes. You can elect any president you want.

It doesn't matter. The minute the war companies pay the bribes, there will be another war. They are already planning the next war as we speak.

I'm less than 50 years of age. But, in my lifetime, there has been one war after another.

There was the Korean war. The Vietnam war. The cold war. Star wars. Start wars is when the military spent trillions trying to make a laser beam weapon.

Then, we had the first middle east war. Then, the present war.

In between, there was the drug war.

In other words, there has been some war my whole life.

You see, they couldn't all be about oil.

Communism is all gone. They can't use that excuse anymore.

So, they went out and dreamed up this terror thing. They went over to the hornets nest and f**ked with the hornets. Next, the hornets get all mad and come after you.

But, you see, if we had left the hornets alone in the first place, none of this would have happened.

Unfortunately, the government can't do that. They need a reason to start a war. Remember, the businesses that make war products own them. So, in order to repay the debt, the government must keep the wars going.

You will never stop the wars because the war product companies won't let you do that.

Our government doesn't care one way or another. They have no say in the matter. Big business tells them what to do. Politicians are simply stick puppets. They are told what to do and how to do it.

So, you can forget about electing a different person. That won't work.

The only way that I can see to stop the wars is to start a large company and buy the whole government for yourself.

Of course, these war product companies aren't going to sit back and let you do that. You're screwing with their trillions. They'll eliminate you.

The sad part is that the soldiers actually think they are fighting for something of value. Terror. Freedom.

The fact is we don't really need to have any soldiers at all. Why don't we just let our government simply hand the trillions of dollars over to the war product companies?

That way, they get all the money. So, they'll be happy. The soldiers won't be getting killed anymore.

We could all just pay the war product companies and then there would be no more need for these pretend wars.

The whole war thing was always about money in the first place. Once they get the money, there is no need for the war anymore.

Remember, wars come and wars go. But, the root of all evil will always be money.

The government has a million reasons to keep the war going. Terror. Communism. Drugs. Nuclear nonsense. Oil. Freedom.

All that is nonsense. War is never about any of that. It's always about money. Root of all evil.
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#36 Consumer Comment

us down here in the south know how to SPELL - His only objective is to promote his ideology "the world according to Michael Moore"

AUTHOR: Stacey - (U.S.A.)

Michael Moore is an idiot and cares nothing more than what affects him - He is a liar, cheat and worthless waste of space - Jee! If he is so worried about us " common people" the what is his reason for living in a $2 million dollar penthouse and sending his daughter to private school? His only objective is to promote his ideology "the world according to Michael Moore"
He is right and the rest of us are WRONG - GOD BLESS OUR TROOPS AND THE REST OF THE GOOD PEOPLE IN THE USA WHO SERVE AND PROTECT US!
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#37 Consumer Comment

isn't Bush aware that he is killing potential republicans? Most women from New York are shallow and completely dependant on men for money and housing.

AUTHOR: Andee - (U.S.A.)

Just here to comment.

First of all let me just say that I'm not going to get invovled in the charming little pissing contest you kids have going on here . I'm just going to make some random statements that are some what related to this silliness. Why is the military bent on killing these so-called "insergents" in in Iraq ? They arent really insergents number one, and number two , isn't Bush aware that he is killing potential republicans? Most women from New York are shallow and completely dependant on men for money and housing. It is very entertaining to see guys like Aaron show how terrified of liberals the right has become (oh wait, the right has been terrified of libs ever since liberals established America, lol) Michael Moore is a visionary and his films are full of fact. If youd actually watch one of his films instead of beliving everything the GOP tells you about him, youd know that. Southerners, while charming and friendly, arew completely clueless politically and have nothing to contribute on that level. That is all. Have fun Im sure most of you are reasonably pissed by now (lmao) That should provide some decent fodder for further meaningless e-discussion. In case your wondering, yes i am a bored, lonley human being who uses trouble-making on the internet as a means of suplementing what little substance i have in my life. Have a great day, Andee, Harper, Ks.
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#38 Consumer Suggestion

Jeff - yes!

AUTHOR: Kate - (U.S.A.)

I agree. We've reached a level of partisan politics that is just devastating both our economy and our position in world policy. That's the real issue - and it's going on - on BOTH sides of the aisle.
If we keep sniping at each other, nobody will see that and nothing will get done.
The energy being exerted here would make a monumental change if it were cooperative and focused on a goal. Then we could focus on another :-)

Just an idea, it was authored by somebody name Christ of Nazareth.
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#39 Consumer Comment

First DANNY, let me say...

AUTHOR: Debbie - (U.S.A.)

I have been called worse. I would like to know how red that neck is? Man you really have a hard-on for women and it shows. Other than your comments that I find to be easy to wade through, I do need to mention that spelling a word incorrectly one time is allowable because it may have been a typo but to continue repetitively, is showing that you were educated in Louisiana. Always sitting at 49 or 50 year in, and year out. The word is HINDER. Please look it up, you may be surprised at how simple it is.
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#40 UPDATE Employee

A lot of name calling!

AUTHOR: Jeff - (U.S.A.)

I posted to the other complaint regarding George W. Bush earlier today and I also want to post to this one as well.

The reason why our country is in the dumps is simple: there is no rule of law. When the laws are twisted for people's personal gain, no one is safe. Every time Congress or the people want to pass a law or rule in this nation that benefits only themselves or a select few, there is an equal and opposite reaction from others. Like the Social Security operation. Every time the older crowd and SS sympatizers want to root more money out of the taxpayers (while usually not wanting to pay their fair share most of the time) the other taxpayers will respond. It's just that way in politics. What scares me about the USA is our willingness to subvert our form of law for a bogus and draconian legal system that really benefits no one but a extreme few. The problem is that since you people don't have the balls or the brains to vote in responsable politicians and hold them accountable for their promises, our country is turning into a giantic pigpen, courtesy of the double team tactics of the Democrat and Republican Parties.

Whining about people like Michael Moore is pointless. He does not care about your personal or economic freedom no more than those in Congress do. As long as people tolerate and goad on that kind of behavior in Washington the problems in america will get WORSE and WORSE.

I'd kindly like to hear what you think about what I said.
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#41 Consumer Suggestion

Debbie is a space cadet! NOBODY IS HENDERING YOUR FREE-SPEECH.

AUTHOR: Danny - (U.S.A.)

Debbie is obviously just waiting on the space ship that is following the next comet.

When did this post ever concern pregnant women being wrongfully fired?

You speak of free-speech but offer only a double standard of the free-speech concept. You want to be heard without other people commenting on what you say but yet you want to CHASTISE people for what they say. What the hell kind of philosophy is that? Sounds like another nut we know: MICHAEL MOORE.

NOBODY IS HENDERING YOUR FREE-SPEECH. The first amendment only states that the government will not enact any law that henders the right to say what is on your mind. People on a public thread can say whatever they want. Until somebody comes to your door and tapes your big mouth shut, nobody is hendering your free-speech. You're not very sharp are you?

You speak of being SECURE as a woman but obviously you don't feel secure with your gender. What do you know about feeling SECURE anyways? With each comment you post you only succeed in showing your INSECURITY.

I feel sorry for your husband. He probably has a very hard time figuring you out, especially when you speak. You haven't made any sense from the beginning of your rants and I don't suppose that fact will change much in the future. You need a therapist not a husband.

You are not helping your cause, you are only succeeding in making this thread longer than it actually is. You are wasting everybody's time.

Don't worry though, I'm sure there will be a comet come along real soon. Then we won't have to deal with your crazy statements anymore. I'm sure M.M. will save you a seat in first class.

DEBBIE, YOUR NAME SHOULD BE LOOPEY BECAUSE YOU ARE. MELINDA and ANITA ARE KOOKS, TOO! HOPE YOU DIDN'T FORGET THE BLACK NIKE's and sweat-suits!
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#42 Consumer Suggestion

I don't know about Robert, but I can tell you where slavery started Cherry.

AUTHOR: Ralph - (U.S.A.)

NEW YORK. Most slave ships were owned by businessmen who were in New York. As a matter of FACT, there wasn't a single slave ship owned by a Southern port.

Did you know that Ulysses S Grant kept his slaves right up until the war was over. Another fact that will get you going is the fact that Northern states were the first to institute segregation laws. Trust me when I say the institution of slavery wasn't just a Southern thing. You people are truly in denial about factual history aren't you?

At least during slavery, THEY all worked. The welfare system wasn't draining our country dry, either. Yankees are just as much at fault as Southerners for slavery. Get your history straight you ignorant fool.
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#43 Consumer Comment

Mz. Susan...I B*T%H I DO NOT WHINE!!!!!!! Michael Moore is being chastised, as I am, for excercising free speech.

AUTHOR: Debbie - (U.S.A.)

And there is a big difference. Until you are secure in yourself as a person and a woman you will have no clue. Michael Moore is being chastised, as I am, for excercising free speech. It is only because it is a concept foreign to you and many others. You spout off about how freedom isn't free but then you want to format that freedom to apply to only you, and others who think just as you. Give me a break. Tell YOUR husband to get off his A$$ and dust and dinner tonight is normally on the table by 5. YOU need to view the economics as they afect woman, they are negative and have always been. There are some changes for the better as by FEDERAL law woman can no longer be terminated from their positions due to pregnancy, ( I mean it does take 2 does it not?). So there have been some strides, and let me just tell you that if you ask my husband if I wear the pants here in this household he will tell you that WE do, yes.
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#44 Consumer Suggestion

DOES ANY STUDY AMERICAN HISTORY

AUTHOR: Cherry - (U.S.A.)

CAN ROBERT IN DALE CITY TELL ME WHICH STATE STARTED SLAVERY????
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#45 Consumer Suggestion

DOES ANY STUDY AMERICAN HISTORY

AUTHOR: Cherry - (U.S.A.)

CAN ROBERT IN DALE CITY TELL ME WHICH STATE STARTED SLAVERY????
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#46 Consumer Suggestion

DOES ANY STUDY AMERICAN HISTORY

AUTHOR: Cherry - (U.S.A.)

CAN ROBERT IN DALE CITY TELL ME WHICH STATE STARTED SLAVERY????
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#47 Consumer Suggestion

Anita, Kate, Debbie and Melinda are disgraceful.

AUTHOR: Susan - (U.S.A.)

Anita, Kate, Debbie and Melinda obviously all feel threatened by the truth about what is going on in the world. They feel that the world would be a safer place with Saddam and Osama still in power. They feel that the French are our allies. They are all in denial of the truth.

They enjoy pointing the finger but can't handle it when someone points it back at them. They enjoy calling people names and acting like children, but don't think that it's anybody elses right to do that to them. They are typical of this "modern woman" concept that they have concocted. One thing is for sure, they are disgraceful as women.

These four beings (I stop short of calling them women for a reason) should learn to think for themselves. Obviously they aren't smart enough to rationally contemplate the situation in Iraq or the war on terrorism. These four would rather have something to whine about and probably depend on people like Michael Moore and Dan Rather to do their thinking for them.

They believe in creating truth, not observing truth. This post has absolutely nothing to do with where you are from. This post is about Michael Moore's film, not calling people names and making broad generalizations about Aaron's comments. He is a patriot, you four are not. Trust me when I say this: Aaron doesn't feel THREATENED by any of you. You would just like to believe that because you have no rational points to your arguments with him. With each post against him, you just make yourselves look worse.

Perhaps, you four believe that Afghanistan isn't a better place for women. Perhaps you believe that going over there to fight the Taliban wasn't worth it. Perhaps you four think that 9/11 didn't happen. I'm sure the families of the victims in this act of terrorism would disagree with you about your whining. You see, these people who died were just going to work. They didn't have a decision to make like deciding whether to join the armed forces or not. You should remember that Melinda and Debbie.

You three broads are seriously in denial. I can't say that I feel sorry for you, I just pity people like you.

Michael Moore is a liar. He is not a patriot. Anybody who believes M.M. to be a patriot, should realize that he has made his living not by telling the truth, but by shocking people with lies. Every film or so-called documentary he has made has been just as controversial as his last. You see, he is not smart enough to make anything worth seeing. He depends on people like Anita, Kate, Debbie and Melinda to help him in his unsubstantiated attacks against the Bush administration. I guess the idiots in this country are more dependent than they like to let on. What sad individuals these liberals and whiners are.

Anita, Kate, Debbie and Melinda should stop their whining before they make women as a whole look worse.
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#48 Consumer Comment

Something beyond control

AUTHOR: Boz - (Cuba)

It is Texino and I am sitting here working economic science. Each day I get this rebuttal email and when I check, it is this same topic going on and on with language as poor as anything from Tupper Lake. Now Tupper Lake is just a joke thing. I am afraid that the people who have grabbed this topic are not joking, nor are they discussing.

From where I sit, it seems a shame to waste the opportunity for open discussion by letting it degrade into name calling. Here in Cuba, we are beginning to be able to have some dialogue about things that are not right. We do it politely and after church though. To do it recklessly would invite trouble. When I say trouble, I mean the risk of imprisonment or death. If you were to base your arguments on the foundation that you might be tortured or killed for your statements, I should think you might not be so free with the screaming bad words to those who see things differently. Maybe if you can step back and look at all the foolish and violence tinted rhetoric on this topic, you might begin to see why other nations have little respect for the American people. Remember, you are the richest and most powerful of countries and that should cause the world to look up to you. However, the world reads English and the world devours what the internet spits out. So many forums, so many message boards are filled with American voices hating each other over movies or music or the interests of some celebrity. All of this selfish hate can do no good for your image and, in the end you may well wake up to find that your leaders have sold your assets overseas and left the average citizen of the US in a rather uncomfortable situation.

I doubt if many people will take heed to what I say. It is far easier to call me a name or just make up some lie as to the meaning of my words. Unfortunately very few Americans travel in order to see how they are perceived by the rest of the world. Were they to do so and just make some subtle changes in attitude and become more proactive in watching what their government is about, the USA would once again become the standard of how freedom and prosperity are judged.

It is ironic that I sit here in a dictatorship and talk about freedom. However, the irony is not forced, for even though our leader clings to an outmoded revolution, he does it solely for love of the nation and people. We could be so rich and much more comfortable by just making a few concessions to the West. Unfortunately, doing so would open up the corrupt practices of wealth. I would ask that you look toward Cuba in the next ten years. I fear that you will see its people overcome by the money which stands ready to pour in once President Castro leaves power. Mark my words, for you will see the poor remain poor and know that this fate could well befall the growing underclass in the USA as their economy is slowly taken over by the Euro-Markets. The signs are all there for anyone to see. I would hope you will read them and take charge of your nation and forgo this foolish bickering which places you where you are wanted by the enemies of your freedom.

Sincerely,
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#49 Consumer Comment

OH PLEASE ALL OF YOU

AUTHOR: BILLY - (U.S.A.)

I have been reading these postings and cannot believe the way so called intelligent people get drawn and sucked in. First of all Aaron, you need to take a trip to N.Y. and travel in a 60 mile radius in all directions before you make any accusations. I have to agree with the woman from N.Y., your just mad and taking it out on everybody. Also keep in mind Aaron, that the transplanted NYKRS in the south have bought growth and prosperity to what was nothing but a tobbaco field between Virginia and Florida across to the mighty Missippi. Lady in N.Y. your one in 18 million people. If your really paying $30,000 per month, that means you make $1,000,000 per year. If this is the case, than you obviously have brains why are you cat fighting with everybody, seems to me that your only real insight to the N.Y. Elite club, was watching Sex and the City. Aaron is right there are alot of liberal gold digging women with no judgement or common sense, thinking that there going to hook a rich guy. Guess what girls I work in N.Y. most of these guys just want to get laid. Aaron also, watch Jerry Springer, Maury, etc and where do these people come from (deep in the heart of dixie). You should really think before you write.
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#50 Consumer Comment

My last response . . .

AUTHOR: Anita - (U.S.A.)

Willard,

Like Aaron, you should brush up on your reading comprehension skills. If, like me, you had read every posting on this page, you would know why I "picked" a fight with Aaron. He had continually posted comments that were degrading to others, specifically, women and New Yorkers. In a postscript to my post concernig the legitimacy of the documentary "9/11", I defended those two groups of people. Therefore my mention of my trips to New York was to prove that I knew from experience that New Yorkers are not horrible people. Perhaps you should read a little more before you try to respond.

As for the "rhetoric I spewed", what rhetoric? It's really difficult for you to accept that some crazy feminist has valid points, huh? The fact is that you and Aaron both feel threatened by an intelligent, articulate woman, end of story. Anyone, whether they agree with my opinions or not, can gather from my posts that I am not an idiot or inferior to either of you mentally. You can't formulate an argument any better than Aaron can.

How old are you guys, 13? I'm just asking because the last time I can remember someone responding to an argument with, "Oh yeah? Well, uh . . . you're just STUPID!" was in the 7th grade. Well, at least you graduated to the High School level when you accused me of being a l*****n and having a fear of intimacy. Hmmm? What was it I said in my last post? Oh yeah, "And I will fight and argue for women's equality until the day I die because men like you will always be there, knocking us down, pushing us around, labeling us as whores, sluts, dykes, witches, etc. just because we want to be treated and viewed as equals." Wanting equal pay for equal work, to be judged for my brains instead of my a*s and expecting a man to view me as something other than a maid or a doormat does not make me a man-hater or a l*****n. The fact that you think it does speaks volumes about the kind of man you are.
You were quick to point out in your response that this post is supposed to be dedicated to Michael Moore's film but you had nothing to say about it. My orginal post WAS dedicated to the original subject. If my feminist crusade is so ridiculous, why are you responding to it instead of the original post? You see, a real man, a grown-up, confident man, would not feel so threatened by the age-old subject of women's rights. If you had bothered to read my first post you might have found that we do, in fact, agree on some things. Diversity makes the world go 'round, not intolerance!
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#51 Consumer Suggestion

Melinda and Anita have lost their minds. They are to be pitied.

AUTHOR: Donna - (U.S.A.)

You two have absolutely made fools of yourselves. Anita is so smart that she doesn't even know what the original post is about, right Melinda?

Contrary to what you two believe, most MODERN WOMEN like yourselves can't manage a household. I'm sure you two have a hard time doing anything constructive with yourselves besides whining about how life and George Bush have done you wrong. You two are to be pitied. I can tell that you are related.

Although I don't agree with Aaron's harshness, I do believe in his concept concerning the whores from New York and the way in which most MODERN WOMEN act. It's sad what women have become, very sad.

Just like the last post said, you picked this fight with Aaron. You saw fit to comment on something that was long a dead issue on this thread. If you are going to dish it out, then you need to learn to take it.

Bottom line: Melinda and Anita aren't representative of what women should be. They are both whiners "playing the part of the victim." Neither offered any comments concerning Michael Moore nor did any of their hollow words provide any truth about anything.

I am ashamed that Melinda and Anita are from Knoxville, TN. Unlike these two, I was born and raised here. I am a conservative and support the war in Iraq. I am not a "bra-burning man-hatin' liberal" like Melinda and Anita. I have a college degree in business management and three sons who are all in the military. Two of which are Marines fighting in Iraq as we speak.

If I were to lose one of my sons in this war, it would be devastating, but the last thing I'd do is blame it on George Bush or conservatives. I wouldn't sit around whining about things either. You need to go back and re-read Aaron's comments. As harsh as he may sound, at least he is a patriot who's tired of listening to people like Melinda and Anita bash his country. Aaron has more substance in his little finger than Melinda and Anita put together.

One of these days, Melinda and Anita are going to wise about and see the truth about things. Right now they are just two sad women who think that people give a flying crap about their worthless opinions. If you two were capable of rational thought, you'd quit believeing in Michael Moore's lies and start thinking for yourself. Do you always let others do your thinking for you? A "modern woman" should think for herself. You two are extremely sad.

Melinda and Anita, why don't you tell us where you two "modern women" work? That way we will know to stay away from that business because they employee people who can't think clearly or rationally. Why don't you two move to Canada? You sure don't fit the Knoxvillian persona. Knoxvillians love their country. You two just want to whine.
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#52 Consumer Suggestion

Melinda and Anita have lost their minds. They are to be pitied.

AUTHOR: Donna - (U.S.A.)

You two have absolutely made fools of yourselves. Anita is so smart that she doesn't even know what the original post is about, right Melinda?

Contrary to what you two believe, most MODERN WOMEN like yourselves can't manage a household. I'm sure you two have a hard time doing anything constructive with yourselves besides whining about how life and George Bush have done you wrong. You two are to be pitied. I can tell that you are related.

Although I don't agree with Aaron's harshness, I do believe in his concept concerning the whores from New York and the way in which most MODERN WOMEN act. It's sad what women have become, very sad.

Just like the last post said, you picked this fight with Aaron. You saw fit to comment on something that was long a dead issue on this thread. If you are going to dish it out, then you need to learn to take it.

Bottom line: Melinda and Anita aren't representative of what women should be. They are both whiners "playing the part of the victim." Neither offered any comments concerning Michael Moore nor did any of their hollow words provide any truth about anything.

I am ashamed that Melinda and Anita are from Knoxville, TN. Unlike these two, I was born and raised here. I am a conservative and support the war in Iraq. I am not a "bra-burning man-hatin' liberal" like Melinda and Anita. I have a college degree in business management and three sons who are all in the military. Two of which are Marines fighting in Iraq as we speak.

If I were to lose one of my sons in this war, it would be devastating, but the last thing I'd do is blame it on George Bush or conservatives. I wouldn't sit around whining about things either. You need to go back and re-read Aaron's comments. As harsh as he may sound, at least he is a patriot who's tired of listening to people like Melinda and Anita bash his country. Aaron has more substance in his little finger than Melinda and Anita put together.

One of these days, Melinda and Anita are going to wise about and see the truth about things. Right now they are just two sad women who think that people give a flying crap about their worthless opinions. If you two were capable of rational thought, you'd quit believeing in Michael Moore's lies and start thinking for yourself. Do you always let others do your thinking for you? A "modern woman" should think for herself. You two are extremely sad.

Melinda and Anita, why don't you tell us where you two "modern women" work? That way we will know to stay away from that business because they employee people who can't think clearly or rationally. Why don't you two move to Canada? You sure don't fit the Knoxvillian persona. Knoxvillians love their country. You two just want to whine.
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#53 Consumer Suggestion

Melinda and Anita have lost their minds. They are to be pitied.

AUTHOR: Donna - (U.S.A.)

You two have absolutely made fools of yourselves. Anita is so smart that she doesn't even know what the original post is about, right Melinda?

Contrary to what you two believe, most MODERN WOMEN like yourselves can't manage a household. I'm sure you two have a hard time doing anything constructive with yourselves besides whining about how life and George Bush have done you wrong. You two are to be pitied. I can tell that you are related.

Although I don't agree with Aaron's harshness, I do believe in his concept concerning the whores from New York and the way in which most MODERN WOMEN act. It's sad what women have become, very sad.

Just like the last post said, you picked this fight with Aaron. You saw fit to comment on something that was long a dead issue on this thread. If you are going to dish it out, then you need to learn to take it.

Bottom line: Melinda and Anita aren't representative of what women should be. They are both whiners "playing the part of the victim." Neither offered any comments concerning Michael Moore nor did any of their hollow words provide any truth about anything.

I am ashamed that Melinda and Anita are from Knoxville, TN. Unlike these two, I was born and raised here. I am a conservative and support the war in Iraq. I am not a "bra-burning man-hatin' liberal" like Melinda and Anita. I have a college degree in business management and three sons who are all in the military. Two of which are Marines fighting in Iraq as we speak.

If I were to lose one of my sons in this war, it would be devastating, but the last thing I'd do is blame it on George Bush or conservatives. I wouldn't sit around whining about things either. You need to go back and re-read Aaron's comments. As harsh as he may sound, at least he is a patriot who's tired of listening to people like Melinda and Anita bash his country. Aaron has more substance in his little finger than Melinda and Anita put together.

One of these days, Melinda and Anita are going to wise about and see the truth about things. Right now they are just two sad women who think that people give a flying crap about their worthless opinions. If you two were capable of rational thought, you'd quit believeing in Michael Moore's lies and start thinking for yourself. Do you always let others do your thinking for you? A "modern woman" should think for herself. You two are extremely sad.

Melinda and Anita, why don't you tell us where you two "modern women" work? That way we will know to stay away from that business because they employee people who can't think clearly or rationally. Why don't you two move to Canada? You sure don't fit the Knoxvillian persona. Knoxvillians love their country. You two just want to whine.
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#54 Consumer Suggestion

Melinda and Anita have lost their minds. They are to be pitied.

AUTHOR: Donna - (U.S.A.)

You two have absolutely made fools of yourselves. Anita is so smart that she doesn't even know what the original post is about, right Melinda?

Contrary to what you two believe, most MODERN WOMEN like yourselves can't manage a household. I'm sure you two have a hard time doing anything constructive with yourselves besides whining about how life and George Bush have done you wrong. You two are to be pitied. I can tell that you are related.

Although I don't agree with Aaron's harshness, I do believe in his concept concerning the whores from New York and the way in which most MODERN WOMEN act. It's sad what women have become, very sad.

Just like the last post said, you picked this fight with Aaron. You saw fit to comment on something that was long a dead issue on this thread. If you are going to dish it out, then you need to learn to take it.

Bottom line: Melinda and Anita aren't representative of what women should be. They are both whiners "playing the part of the victim." Neither offered any comments concerning Michael Moore nor did any of their hollow words provide any truth about anything.

I am ashamed that Melinda and Anita are from Knoxville, TN. Unlike these two, I was born and raised here. I am a conservative and support the war in Iraq. I am not a "bra-burning man-hatin' liberal" like Melinda and Anita. I have a college degree in business management and three sons who are all in the military. Two of which are Marines fighting in Iraq as we speak.

If I were to lose one of my sons in this war, it would be devastating, but the last thing I'd do is blame it on George Bush or conservatives. I wouldn't sit around whining about things either. You need to go back and re-read Aaron's comments. As harsh as he may sound, at least he is a patriot who's tired of listening to people like Melinda and Anita bash his country. Aaron has more substance in his little finger than Melinda and Anita put together.

One of these days, Melinda and Anita are going to wise about and see the truth about things. Right now they are just two sad women who think that people give a flying crap about their worthless opinions. If you two were capable of rational thought, you'd quit believeing in Michael Moore's lies and start thinking for yourself. Do you always let others do your thinking for you? A "modern woman" should think for herself. You two are extremely sad.

Melinda and Anita, why don't you tell us where you two "modern women" work? That way we will know to stay away from that business because they employee people who can't think clearly or rationally. Why don't you two move to Canada? You sure don't fit the Knoxvillian persona. Knoxvillians love their country. You two just want to whine.
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#55 Consumer Comment

Uhhh.....Milenda, a blanket statement? ....A few moth holes, perhaps?

AUTHOR: Adolph - (U.S.A.)

Quote:"Mothers love their own children more than they love life itself."
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Does the name "Susan Smith" bring anything to mind?
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Here's an interesting statistic from The American Anthropologolical Association:
"More than 200 women kill their children in the U.S. every year. Andrea Yates who drowned her five kids, and pediatrician Ellen Feinberg, of Champaign, Illinois, who stabbed her two young sons, one fatally, are not unique."
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I think your aforementioned quote should be prefaced by the qualification:"MOST mothers......" 'Ya think?
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Additional quote:"you two SORRY LOW LIFE scumbag individiuals".......Nice dialogue! Really adds substance and verve to your ramblings....NOT!
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Yeah, I know. This's off subject. Just like 60% or more of this tiresome, incredibly long, never ending diatribe.
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#56 Consumer Suggestion

Anita, you've lost your mind.

AUTHOR: Skip - (U.S.A.)

Not at any point in your last post did you mention anything about Michael Moore's film. I for one agrre with Aaron that you are truly an idiot. The reason that you were so upset is because not only were you given a dose of your medicine but it is impossible for you to accept the truth about what Aaron has to say.

You go on and on about Aaron, but in the process of the inaacurate rants, you only make yourself look like the fool. You can't call people names like "inbreed" or "trailor-trash" and get mad when you are called the same names. You are a hypocrite to say the least.

Aaron wasn't running down women. You were. Just because women want to stay at home, doesn't mean they lose any of their self-respect. Just read Aaron's comments about the feminist movement and you'll seee what I mean.

Yes, you are a radical. A radical liberal feminist who can't handle the truth. It's people like you who support such garbage as Michael Moore's film. We wouldn't expect anything else out of you but garbage. YOU ARE THE IDIOT!

AARON IS 100% ON THE MONEY ON THIS POST. YOU ARE THE ONE WHO IS INACCURATE AND STUPID. YOU MAKE NO SENSE. YOU OFEER NOTHING TO THIS THREAD ABOUT MICHAEL MOORE's LIBERAL PROPAGANDA. YOU ARE THE ONE WITH COMPREHENSION PROBLEMS AND TRUTH BE KNOWN, YOU WRITE JUST LIKE ANOTHER LIBERAL FOOL ON THIS SITE. DON"T MAKE ME POST YOUR REAL IDENTITY.

NICE TRY FRUITCAKE!

AARON SHOULD RUN FOR PRESIDENT! HE KNOWS WHAT TRUTH IS AND ANITA, YOU KNOW ONLY LIES!
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#57 Consumer Comment

Thank you Butch for feeding into the bull...

AUTHOR: Debbie - (U.S.A.)

MY son, like many others, was lied to by our fearless leader amongst others. MY son stood by his convictions and this was not a fight he wanted to be in, but followed orders. MY son's last letter questioned why we not going after the perpetratiors of 911, and he wondered why schools were being built in Iraq when our children at home are getting beat out scholastically by 3rd world countries. He also wondered why we cannot get medical care but our doctors are over there in droves providing FREE care to the people there. He also stated that unfortunatly that was the least WE as a nation could do since we took it upon ourselves to blow them up. Men, women and children. So no speaches to me about freedom, or homeland security. When you are fearful control is easy, just ask Bush he uses that well.

As far as my grandchild...he is not my son's child. He had none. So to all who think I am on the "pity-pot" you think as you like. Until you walk in my shoes or spend just one day as me then you have no right to say anything about it. So this conversation is over and God save OUR children.
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#58 Consumer Suggestion

That is enough. Stop name calling and shame on you Butch

AUTHOR: Kate - (U.S.A.)

You say you are proud of Debbie's son's service. Yet you call his grieving mother names. This woman is heartbroken - not crazy. If you cannot understand that then please leave your computer immediately and run to the nearest church you can.
Tell the first person that you meet there, "I have used the feeling of power and anonymity I feel while privately using the internet. I send communication out to hurt other people. Recently, I called a dead soldier's mother names. I did it to hurt her and my soul is in imminent danger should I die today. Please lead to me salvation. Failing that, hit me on the head with a brick directly so that I may not hurt anyone else with my cruelty".

I know a small boy who knows better than to call names like stupid'. He is three years old. He learned it in pre-school. Butch, can't you understand how cruel you are? Why would you call a dead soldier's mother names? C'mon be human? Just a little.

Debbie the internet brings out the cruelty in those who have a predisposition for it. Like driving. They are left on their own, in private from their perspective. All that is ugly comes out of them and spews out. However, there are real people out in the world also. And they use the internet to try to assist or comfort others.

We will all, always, have political differences. That's been going on since the beginning of time. What is new is the intolerance with which Americans are now behaving. Sadam Hussein was intolerant of the views of others. Adolph Hitler was intolerant of the views of others.

I think it's time we stop behaving like that and get along. At least on the level that toddlers can accomplish.
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#59 Consumer Suggestion

I see Aaron has made another liberal snap!

AUTHOR: Willard - (U.S.A.)

Anita, you have truly lost your marbles with such rhetoric as you spewed in your last post. How do you expect to be taken seriously at this point?

You are not EQUAL either physically and definitely not mentally. You misinterpreted Aaron's statements. He was not attacking you until you started attacking him. You both are somewhat in the wrong, only Aaron makes sense and you don't.

You were actually the one who started the fight involving Aaron. He hadn't posted on this thread until you brought his name up. Good job Anita. If you are going to pick a verbal fight with somebody, you get what you deserve.

You've been to New York 4 times you say. Who cares. I couldn't even begin to give an accurate figure on how many times I've been there and dealt with its inhabitants but it's a hell of lot more times than 4. Aaron was correct in what he said about NY city. It is a cesspool just like Memphis, but that's a whole other post.

I'm getting off the subject here. This post is supposed to be dedicated to Michael Moore's movie not some bra-burning man-hatin' feminist crusade.

Where would women be without men? The same place men would be without women: making film documentaries based on lies and liberalism since they can't stand intimacy with someone of the opposite sex. Anita is one of these people.

Hey Anita, I hope your wife is proud of you! Ha! Ha!
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#60 Consumer Comment

Get a grip.. M.Moore is more of a patriot than most because he says what he thinks and believes no matter what anyone thinks.

AUTHOR: William - (U.S.A.)

Who cares! Either watch the movie or don't. I would suggest watching it to form your own opinion. Why is it that America has now been turned into some big crusade. A crusade for whatever happens to be on their minds at the time. Like right now. I'm bored so I'd like to let all of you know how idiotic you sound. Watch the movie. Don't watch the movie. Who cares? Life is not black or white. It's grey. To be honest with you M.Moore is more of a patriot than most because he says what he thinks and believes no matter what anyone thinks. Who was it that said we should have a revolution every hundred years? Get a grip people. Live your own life. Don't be a slave someone elses ideas.
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#61 Consumer Comment

Butch and Aaron, ARE YOU Crazy???

AUTHOR: Melinda - (U.S.A.)

Butch and Aaron are you two crazy or what? How in the world could you say mean, ugly things to someone's mother who has died for you two SORRY LOW LIFE scumbag individiuals? You two should have to go over there yourself if you think it was such a proud way to die. But apparently you are sitting your tail in front of a computer trying to criticize and condemn an innocent mother of a fallen soldier!!! Let me tell you something from a Mother's point of view: Mothers love their own children more than they love life itself. There is no greater power of love except from the heavenly father and Lord Jesus Christ that will ever equal the love of most mothers! Of course we don't know your situation, maybe your mothers dumped you years ago and that is what caused your warped opinions. If that is the case may God have mercy on your soul because I have no mercy for people that cannot feel the pain a mother suffers when losing a child! By the way I have 3 children and would absolutely die if I had to bury one of my children. Thank you Debbie from LA for your sacrifice...I know this doesn't help much but my heart goes out to you and all mothers who have lost children no matter how it happened. By the way I love the south, being a home maker, and person with a full time career as I have done for 25 years while raising my children. My children are doing just fine as you can tell by my very intelligent daughter Anita from Knoxville.
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#62 Consumer Suggestion

Debbie, you are NUTS! no wonder you are a liberal feminist.

AUTHOR: Butch - (U.S.A.)

You believe in Michael Moore's film because your son died in service to his country? You're crazy.

You obviously think that someone owes you something so it's no wonder you are a liberal feminist. Faye was correct in her assumptions.

As for Thanksgiving, you did what anybody would do except the part you left out about being a bitter old hag with a socialistic perspective on life.

I'm really sorry that your son lost his life. But last I checked, there is no draft, and he knew what he was getting into. If you want to be mad at someone your only choice should be your son.

"Reason" is a hard thing for some people to grasp. It's obviously very foreign to you.

I for one am proud of your son. He lost his life defending the ideals of his country. He gave the ultimate sacrifice fighting for freedom and a better world. You would think that a MOTHER would be proud also, but you would rather just sit and say "why me?" You would rather run-down the reasons for the war against terrorism that your son believed in. You are doing your son a disservice.

GOD BLESS AMERICA, even the liberal feminists like Debbie!
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#63 Consumer Comment

Silly Rabbit?? ..I am not fat, illiterate, inbred or white trash and I have never lived in a trailer park

AUTHOR: Anita - (U.S.A.)

Aaron,
Let me see if I have the "jist" (sic) of what you are saying. (By the way, the word is "gist" with a "g").

You wrote: "Good skills for a homemaker have always included good cooking. I didn't say those were the only things that a woman are capable of doing. You're an idiot." Tell me more about what an idiot I am after looking at your own statements. You're right, Aaron, "a woman are capable of doing" lots of things and a "man are" too! This one is my favorite: "Homemaking skills used to be held in high regard but due to people like yourself, those skills are no longer looked upon as being favorable. You need to due some serious self-examination." Aaron, use a dictionary next time. The really funny part is that Debbie jokingly pointed out your mistaken use of "due" vs. "do" in her post. You then responded (as only a true moron would) by attempting to ridicule her for something you actually wrote first!

Furthermore, Aaron, you really need to brush up on those reading comprehension skills! I wrote: "For those of you who continually bash those of us from Tennessee, and Southerners in general, thanks to Aaron and others, I have this to say:

I am not fat, illiterate, inbred or white trash and I have never lived in a trailer park nor do I hate Northerners or New Yorkers." That statement was for all the non-Southerners who have posted insulting remarks to Southerners and Tennesseeans.(Wendy from Joplin, Missouri called us "the dumbest shits on the planet" and said that we "really shoudnt (sic) be allowed to vote"). If you would go back and really READ the other posts you would see that for yourself. Their insults were usually in response to your xenophobic tyrades. I was trying to defend my Southern heritage by making it clear that YOU are not a true representation of every Southerner out there. You see, if I represent myself in a clear, intelligent and coherent manner no one will accuse me of those nasty stereotypes that I mentioned.

Every time you write a rebuttal, Aaron, it's obvious that you don't understand most of what you have read. You are so ready to start firing off insults, especially to women and Northerners, that you don't take the time to formulate an intelligent response.

Here's another example of this:
You wrote, "I would sy (sic) that she's probably a good cook and home-maker too. Are you? Or are you just some MODERN women (sic) whoring around Manhattan who has no real useful skills?"
I responded to this archaic statement with, "And Aaron, useful skills for a woman do not = good cook and homemaker. People like you are the reason others see Southerners as ignorant backwoods rednecks. And yes, Aaron, I CAN cook, very well, but that's the least of my talents and my brainpower."

Your response to this was: "Good skills for a homemaker have always included good cooking. I didn't say those were the only things that a woman are capable of doing. You're an idiot. It's militant feminists like yourself who try and make homemakers who are women look bad. Homemaking skills used to be held in high regard but due to people like yourself, those skills are no longer looked upon as being favorable . . .It's militant feminists like yourself who have made home-making women feel inferior. I didn't say anything about these ladies not having any brain power. Get a life and stop trying to act like a victim all the time."

Can you please point out where, exactly, I wrote that "home-making women" are inferior or that they don't have any "brain power"? You can't, can you? I was pointing out, to you, the fact that "real useful skills" for a woman have nothing to with baking a pie, sewing, vacuuming, washing dishes or any of that other 1950's bullshit that most MODERN WOMEN can do with one hand tied behind their back and still have a full-time career! What I am saying is that a woman's self-worth should not be tied to her home-making abilities. Viewpoints like yours are what made me into the "militant feminist" that you say I am. (Thank you for that, by the way. I don't know about the "militant" part, but I'm definitely a feminist. And I will fight and argue for women's equality until the day I die because men like you will always be there, knocking us down, pushing us around, labeling us as whores, sluts, dykes, witches, etc. just because we want to be treated and viewed as equals.) If that statement makes a woman (not you, Aaron, you don't count) feel inferior then she can respond.

And finally, what the hell does this statement mean? "Say what you will but I doubt very seriously that you have spent much time in New York. Either that or you know how to speak several foreign languages and enjoy not hearing people speak English." The only reply I have to that insanely absurd statement is that I never stated the amount of time I spent in New York. I have been to New York exactly four times, all pre-9/11, and it's a wonderful place if you're not a bigoted, narrow-minded,woman-oppressing, redneck simpleton.

As for your "REAL-LIFE" experiences that back up your philosophy, I would love to hear all about them. However, I very seriously doubt that you'll read this without making incorrect inferences and assumptions about what you "think" I said; so you'll never actually get around to making a valid point. Once again, Aaron, reading comprehension is very important. All of us "militant feminists" are using it every day to support our "radical" views on equality.
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#64 Consumer Suggestion

Debbie - I am sorry to read of your loss. Republican Democrat whatever you claim to be is no excuse to treat each other badly.

AUTHOR: Kate - (U.S.A.)

Dear Lady on behalf of all of us, please allow me to apologize. Your son is gone and my heart hurts for you. Is the grandchild you mention the child of your son? I hope you say yes - so I'll know that you still have a piece of him, with you.
You say that he died for nothing. And I've heard all the nasty things that were said on this page. I want YOU to know from ME that I am grieving for you. I come from a service family too. It's impossible for anyone to truly empathize if they haven't served but you would think they could be human enough to at least sympathize.
I know that some things have been accomplished. I know that there aren't any more killing fields being dug. And the children in the outlying areas are going to school. Water systems and sewers were built. It's a terrible thing war and I was asked the other day by someone who just doesn't understand. Why do we help other countries? Especially when they won't help us when we need it? I guess it's because we can. And we know that we should. I guess it's because we don't believe in the media but do believe in God.
I guess it's because we can see suffering in other people and want to help them. That makes us different.

I don't know about all the economic going's on. And I think there are corrupt people involved, just because there always have been. But in the middle we have the soldiers. The ones who go out and give all they have to do the right thing. I know that a pastor is present where they are excavating one of these killing fields'. And there were young women, babies and some unborn found. One mother was holding her child when they were both shot in the head.

I pray that you know that no matter what anybody else says here, you know that this has stopped for those people. That's all this is really about. I don't care who makes money. I don't care what the Democrats, Republicans, CBS, ABC or Dan Rather have to say about anything.

I know that your son, along with so many others have stopped this murder for those people. I know they'll go to school. I know they'll have food, water and electricity and an opportunity to have a real life. It isn't a quick fix to overcome the type of abuse and genocide that's been going on over there. To go from living under the rule of a tyrannical dictator who cut of limbs and held mass executions. He GASSED his own people! And I know that freedom comes with a very, very high price.

I am so sorry you lost your son. Please, if that is his child, tell the child what his father did. And why he did it. Don't let him believe the media. This was about real people.
I'm praying for you and for your sick grandchild. God bless you

And to those who responded in an attacking way to this woman saying she has lost her son shame on you. SHAME on you for your horrific and frightening lack of humanity. What filth you are, and do not call yourselves right wing, Christian or Republican. You lie. Your actions will always tell on you. And your posts here are absolutely evil.

Republican Democrat whatever you claim to be is no excuse to treat each other badly. The Christians in this country are ashamed of the way you behave. All of us. We are exhorted by God himself to love one another. And here is a lady who reveals that her son has died in war and you speak so cruelly. What horrible people you are.

It doesn't matter who you are, what you do for a living, whether you are dirt poor or magnificently wealthy. If you have no capacity for the value of another human you have nothing.

So either apologize and play nice or shut up.
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#65 Consumer Comment

Mz. Faye, I should have proof read what I had written to better clarify.

AUTHOR: Debbie - (U.S.A.)

Let me begin with...How was your Thanksgiving?
Let me tell you about mine. This was the FIRST of many to come, I am sure, that I spent without my only son. You know the one, IF you read this whole mess you would know, who died for NOTHING. Let Bush send his daughters over there, oh that's right this is a good time NOT to be a feminist according to you.

I also was sitting bedside with my 8 month old grandson who has been in the hospital for the last 15 days with an unknown infection and they are trying to find the source so it can be treated with the correct antibiotic. So this "feminist" didn't cook a turkey or dressing this year, but I do hope yours wasn't too dry.
I am sure that you the NON-feminist made a wonderful dinner. I am sure you wouldn't let minor things, as your son or grandson, get in the way of your festivities as the good woman should. I am sure that YOUR husband would never have understood. MINE on the other hand made a wonderful meal that he brought to the hospital for myself, my daughter, and my 3 yr old grand daughter. No not turkey but it was a fine dinner, made from love not obligation.
I am also very sure that IF you worked side by side with a group of gentleman and you made much less pay (by the way statistically you already do), and the company said to you, that you are not entitiled to benefits because you are SUPPOSSED to be covered by a husband instead. I am sure that you the NON-feminist would be just fine with that. There are of course social programs if you need them, (the ones set up by the Democtrats). Now let's see that would never happen cause you were a stay at home mom, who made sure you children were home schooled so they grow up being social outcasts. So as not to offend this Stepford Wife mentality you find comfort in, I will with my bipolar self just stop. But I want you to know that your mental state has been the cause of many woman dying in back rooms with hangers, and from breast cancer, (it just doesn't affect enough men yet, for enough research money). You are also the reason there ever was the need for a battered women's shelter. Go check one out (not in your red hat or with your hand-me-downs)and see how those GOOD WOMEN and their children are affected by the abuse.
Oh and by the way...how many of your children have died today?
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#66 Consumer Suggestion

Debbie, what are you talking about?

AUTHOR: Faye - (U.S.A.)

Here's what you said: "The best way is to anger you so that you throw truth at them. This way they have more ammunition to throw at you." WHAT?
What TRUTH? Better yet, what have you offered that has anything to do with the truth?

"This way they have more ammuntion to throw at you." What the.....? If you were offering the truth, how would they have more ammunition?

Are you bipolar?

I have no idea what it was that you hoped to explain with your comments. I do know that you offered no real reasons why you believe in Moore's film. I do know that you have done a very poor job, if not ineffective, of destroying anybody's credibility concerning their comments on this thread.

Debbie, YOU are the one to be pitied.

YOU should learn to explain yourself in a more proficient means, rather than just picking up the torch of liberalism with no real concept of what truth actual is. As a women, you should learn to be stronger than your hormones which sometimes cloud the truth for you. That's obvious.

Maybe one day you will come to the TRUE conclusion that the feminist movement is what destroyed the working concept of what a woman should be. Trust me, you are not a good example of what a STRONG woman is. You are just another sheep following the liberal shepard of lies. You are just another sheep who believes that Moore's film is true. And, you are just another weak woman who believes that you are more than you actually are. Feminism doesn't empower you, it only serves to handicap you as a women. You must earn your place, not expect it.
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#67 Consumer Suggestion

Debbie, Debbie, Debbie. You speak of using truth but offer none.

AUTHOR: Aaron - (U.S.A.)

When in doubt just accuse people of being members in a fundamentalist islamic terrorist organization, right? You are someting else!

You speak of believing in Michael Moron's movie 99% and yes that is your right as a citizen of the USA. Nobody is hendering your rights as an American. I'm sure you probably play the part of the "victim" as much as possible just like what Michael Moron portrays in his movie about the American people. Once again, it's your right to be in denial about the truth. Obviously, from your comments, you are.

I will add your name to list of people which are a disgrace to South. It just amazes me how people like you, Debbie, talk about truth but misrepresent it every chance you get.

Can you just answer one question for me please? What is the 1% that you don't agree with? C'mon now, be accurate. Do your homework. Give us a REAL intellectual answer, not a bunch of liberal rhetoric. Of course you don't even know how to spell RHETORIC, do ya?

Oh yeah, it's "DO" not "DUE"! You really make the South look illiterate. You should be ashamed of yourself. I guess you enjoy sticking your foot in your mouth regularly.

Good luck with your socialist agenda. Al Queda would be proud of you spinning the truth. Maybe they have a place for you within their organization of lies. Oooooh! Sorry! You wouldn't want to be a part of something that is not truthful, right? NOT! Get a life!
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#68 Consumer Comment

Anita, just ignore them. it dawned on me that they were actually members of Al Qaida and just trying to infiltrate the general public

AUTHOR: Debbie - (U.S.A.)

After reading the retoric that both AAron and Robert spew, it dawned on me that they were actually members of Al Qaida and just trying to infiltrate the general public. The best way is to anger you so that you throw the truth at them. This way they have more ammunition to throw at you. It is a game with them and that is how they have played since the beginning. I will never feel that we, the United States are justified in this war, but that is a personal choice. I believe 99% of Moore's movie, it is hard not to when you see OUR congressmen and woman ducking for cover at the thought of enlisting their child. So because I live in the United States I can say and think as I want to. The members of Al Qaida on the other hand cannot. So when AAron wants to know if you DUE something, just pity him alright, it is the best way to handle it.
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#69 Consumer Suggestion

Shame on you Anita!

AUTHOR: Aaron - (U.S.A.)

You need to go back an re-read what I wrote. Obviously you did get the jist of what I was saying. It's militant feminists like yourself who have made home-making women feel inferior. I didn't say anything about these ladies not having any brain power. Get a life and stop trying to act like a victim all the time. People like you are the problem, not men like me.

Say what you will but I doubt very seriously that you have spent much time in New York. Either that or you know how to speak several foreign languages and enjoy not hearing people speak English.

It's people like you who give the South a bad name with your unsubstantiated ramblings about nothing. At least I can back my philosophy up with REAL-LIFE experiences. Can you, silly rabbit?
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Anita, listen here:

AUTHOR: Aaron - (U.S.A.)

Good skills for a homemaker have always included good cooking. I didn't say those were the only things that a woman are capable of doing. You're an idiot. It's militant feminists like yourself who try and make homemakers who are women look bad. Homemaking skills used to be held in high regard but due to people like yourself, those skills are no longer looked upon as being favorable. You need to due some serious self-examination.

I don't hate women and I never said that. Women are just as capable of doing whatever a man does with very few exceptions. Look what that "woman" Michael Moore has done.

Oh yeah, and by the way, I hold the Southern Culture in very high regard. It's people like you who make it look bad. Any idiot would know about the whole "inbreeding" and "un-educated" stereotypes. You are the defintions of the stereotype.
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#71 Consumer Comment

To Robert and Tammy with Postscript to Others, If you had seen the film, you would know that, not once, did Moore "trash" our country.

AUTHOR: Anita - (U.S.A.)

Robert:
You say that the film "Farenheit 9/11" is a "rip-off" and that Michael Moore is a "Loud Mouth who trashes this Country".

If you or "Tammy from Lowville, New York" had bothered to watch the film, your comments might be taken more seriously. If you had seen the film, you would know that, not once, did Moore "trash" our country. In fact, he pointed out, much as others have, that the root of this "war" has much more to do with OIL and BIG BUSINESS than anything else and is therefore a needless WASTE and DESTRUCTION of the brave women and men who are fighting it. There is also a section of the film that interviews U.S. troops in Iraq as well as a piece on the family of a soldier who was killed in Iraq that you should both see before you post opinions. Having an opinion on something that you refuse to see for yourself is exactly what allows you to be the "sheep" that those in power want you to be.

You can't write a valid argument unless you know what you're arguing against. Which leads me to the question: What, exactly, are you arguing against? Yes, I know, "the film is a rip-off and it's not a documentary because it's not factual . . .blah blah blah. Are YOU factual, Robert? Have you backed up YOUR claims here? You have the opportunity, you have an open forum to tell us about all the "lies" in the film, where is it? Your statements and opinions mean nothing, I want documented, officially sourced proof of the lies. But then maybe I will just refuse to read them but still write an opinion about how what you have stated is nothing but lies. Do you see how ridiculous that sounds?

I have to say that I am definitely what people refer to as a "bleeding heart liberal" and I have seen Moore's film. What I did not see in the film is proof that his opinions and statements were FACTS. So can you guess what I did? I went out and researched the truth for myself! What a concept! Just because I'm a liberal doesn't mean that I have "my head in my butt"--look around Robert, where's your head? And by the way, according to "Webster's Encyclopedic Dictionary" the following definitions can be found for the word "documentary": adj 1:consisting of or being documents; also: contained or certified in writing ("documentary" proof) 2: giving factual material in artistic form (a "documentary" film). So, you see, it can't be said that the film "Farenheit 9/11" is not a documentary because anyone who HAS seen it would know that it most definitely contains very real and factual media clips, interviews, congressional sessions and military discharge papers for Bush, Jr.

What one CAN say is that Michael Moore's opinions and statements in "Farenheit 9/11" are backed up by media clips and interviews that offer no real proof. For that he is just as guilty as the rhetoric-spewing right wing media currently taking hold of households across America on Fox News each night. And once again we're back to the "sheep" thing. I watch Fox News occasinally so I'll know what I'm arguing against. I don't shut it out because I disagree, I listen and learn because I disagree. I watched "Farenheit 9/11" because I wanted to KNOW if I agree, I researched the claims made in the film because I wanted to KNOW if I agree, and I do. Our country and our government are two separate things: I LOVE MY COUNTRY BUT I FEAR MY GOVERNMENT! Are you that sure of yourself Robert, or do you just gather little bits of information and then tune out what you don't agree with? Give it some thought.

Finally, of course Michael Moore is making money from his film! You may not realize this but making a documentary or any other kind of film requires many, many hours of work. That's his JOB, he is a filmmaker! We all make money doing our jobs, that's the way it works. He just happens to be in a business that is much more lucrative than most. After all the MINDLESS SLUDGE that Hollywood passes off on us as entertainment year after year, this is the person you want to be angry at for making money?

Furthermore, Robert, you should be ashamed of yourself for writng what you did to "Debbie from Slidell, LA.". She lost her only son to a "war" waged by an administration that you support. You get to sit on your a*s and write posts against this film because of his and her sacrifice! How dare you act so flippant about another human being's life! And how hypocritical of you to spout off all this nonsense about others "trashing" our country and how "necessary" these wars are and then treat the mother of a man who gave his life for our country that way! Who's REALLY trashing our country here? I think most of us know.

P.S.
For those of you who continually bash those of us from Tennessee, and Southerners in general, thanks to Aaron and others, I have this to say:
I am not fat, illiterate, inbred or white trash and I have never lived in a trailer park nor do I hate Northerners or New Yorkers. During my visits to New York I found most of the people there some of the nicest, most interesting and charming people I've ever met. And Aaron, useful skills for a woman do not = good cook and homemaker. People like you are the reason others see Southerners as ignorant backwoods rednecks. And yes, Aaron, I CAN cook, very well, but that's the least of my talents and my brainpower.
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Should've Entitled The Flick, An Accurate Portrayal Of The Republican Party.

AUTHOR: Reid - (U.S.A.)

Hey there Robert, along with Everyone else,

I hope that this rebuttal finds you in good spirits and health.

I've just purchased the Fahrenheit 9/11 DVD, and found it to be spectacular! After viewing it, one would think, that Kerry would without a doubt, win the votes of all minorities, especially after witnessing the republican's blatant deceit first hand.

One would also think, that each and every scam victim would vote for Kerry, because it was the republican's, that slowly depleted the agencies, which once safeguarded consumers.

The part of the documentary, which I've found most intruiging, is the part when Michael Moore walked on the streets of capitol hill, attempting to get members of congress to enlist their own children into the U.S military. Funny $h!t!

I'm sorry to say, that when the nation had been under attack, Mr. Bush didn't seem to be the same confident man as we've all known him to be, and he definitely didn't seem to have any plan of action. Seven minutes?

Robert- I mean no disrespect, however, I must disagree with you when stated, "Michael Moore has gotten rich off of half truths, speculation and outright lies". I think you meant to say the republicans, and not Michael Moore.

For the record, could you please explain to the general public, exactly which parts of Fahrenheit you suspect of being staged?

I strongly feel, that maybe it's Bush personally, that the vast majority of the middle east, along with many other countries, do not appreciate and not the "American lifestyle" as suggested.

Very little of the American lifestyle has changed throughout the years, not considering the economy, technology and the likes, but rather the American culture in general.

Seems as though, the fall out between the Middle East and America, just may have more to do with the Bush's and Bin Ladin's personal business relationship, as opposed to the American way of life. Kahoots maybe?

This is just my assumption however, I could very well be wrong. Anyways, gots to go for now.

Until next time, take care Robert along with Everyone else cause I care, Aloha from Hawaii and God Bless. Nighty night Everyone.
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Republicans in the senate are trying to prevent Democrats from adding $20 billion to the $33 billion fiscal year 2005 homeland security spending bill

AUTHOR: Joshua - (U.S.A.)

The following is my answer to John's questions and accusations.

You mention all the measures that the Bush administration has been trying to put in place thriugh Homeland Security. The senate which includes Kerry and Edwards keep throwing up roadblocks.You are mentioning nothing new but Kerry and Edwards are claiming they will get it done.

Actually, if you do your homework you will find out that Republicans in the senate are trying to prevent Democrats from adding $20 billion to the $33 billion fiscal year 2005 homeland security spending bill. Also, House Ways and Means Chairman Bill Thomas, R-Calif, on Monday discussed his concerns over a provision the Senate added to extend Customs Service user fees to pay for $784 million in additions to the $32 billion measure. The matter has held up consideration of the bill because Thomas is threatening to lodge a "blue slip" objection to the Customs Service fee extension since it violates the constitutional requirement that all revenue measures originate in the House. So, John Kerry and Edwards have nothing to do with the hold up in the senate.

I still want to know how???
Are they going to give Homeland Security more teeth? Do they have a different approach than a Homeland Security Department? Are they going to leave it up to FBI, CIA, Other????
I am not asking for specific bills. Obviously they don't want a Homeland Security department because they claim that Bush's way is wrong.

You view things in black and white a little too much. There is a gray area that you have to understand. There are very little true right and wrongs in homeland protection policies. Just variations of ideas. He never said the dept of homeland security was wrong. He said he has a etter way of doing it, with which most experts agree. He proposes creating a fund to hire 100,000 firefighters and continuing the Community Oriented Policing Services program beyond its goal of hiring 100,000 police. He also, supports legislation to create a national intelligence director and counterterrorism center and establishing a separate service within FBI dedicated to intelligence. Aother thing he supports is legislation by Sen. Jon Corzine, D-N.J., requiring chemical plants to enhance security. He also proposes a new community service program to serve as a national neighborhood watch and expanded national service opportunities for young people. Hope that gives you a better idea.

As far as his plan to rebuild Iraq, France and Germany have already announced that they will be part of no plan no matter who is president. How does he plan to "mend this fence"?

For starters there are more countries than Germany and France. He has spoken of holding a world summit and getting more countries to commit troops. I will admit. It may not work. But our current coalition consists of 90% US troops. Many other countries we list in the coalition just said they would stand by us but didn't even send troops. Like Morocco, not one troop, but they did offer to send 2000 monkeys to detonate landmines. The Philippines only had 51 troops. And Australia is probably going to pull out all its troops in 2005. The Afghanistan army is OUR army. If you take the coalition apart you realize jut how much of the burden the US carries and it is ridiculous. The coalition only has one real significant ally and that is Britain, and there is much civil unrest in Britain to bring them home ASAP. The small coalition is falling apart. HOWEVER, the U.S.'s best ally is the newly trained Iraqi military. They have done more than the rest of the coalition combined. John Kerry wants to increase training of the Iraqi military. By starting more training programs and bringing Iraqis to other locations for training. That is how he plans to get us out of Iraq and I, like many Americans, believe it will work.

You ignorant comment about Cheney and Halliburton is just a repeat of the democratic claim that is unfounded. The salary that Cheney receives is deferred payments. This can not be changed either higher or lower and was agreed to years ago. You Kerry supporters hear the facts but refuse to accept them.
I don't think that my comment about Heinz was newarly as ignorant. Even though she is "just a stockholder" as you put it she still can have influence over the companies practices.

He receives deferred payments even though MOST were paid before 2001, BUT he also has stock options in the company. The stock options are the criminalizing point, not the deferred payments. He just recently arranged for his stock options to be sold off and donated to charity after the scandal around his stock options got heated up ad was reflecting badly on the VP candidate sparking debate over whether Bush should drop him as VP. So, don't tell me at the time of war that he did not have a personal interest in Halliburton's no-bid contracts.

Also, please tell me what decision making board Teresa sits on. As there are none. The only board she sits on is that of Environmental Defense, a philanthropic environmental group.

Sadaam may not have had proven ties to 9-11 but he does have proven that the is making the payments to the suicide bombers families all over the world. Are you saying that all the war on terror is related to 9-11?? You are now saying that we should not have gone in but Kerry's own interviews and speeches from last year are saying we absolutely should have deposed him.
Kerry had the exact same information as Bush about Sadaam because he was on the intelligence committee. He still voted to give the president and supported him all the way. Why is he reversing now???

Iran, Palestine, Saudi Arabia, all fund terrorists. Yet, we are friends with the Saudis. Why is it that we ignore the clear terrorist ties in other countries yet use them for justification on war in Iraq. Hell, we are even close to the Saudis whose embassies have funded terrorism IN THE U.S. Yes, the war on terror is related to 9-11. We were not fighting this war pro-actively and aggressively until 9/11. Do you have a disagreement with that statement?

Kerry has stated before that he gave Bush the right to war AS A LAST RESORT. They in the senate were told that Bush would do everything in his power before going to war. Instead we rushed to war without UN approval with a VERY small coalition of countries we offered free trade agreements and economic benefits to in order to get them to join. Instead of holding a world summit on how to sanction and control the Iraqi government. Now we see that Saddam was on his way out with no weapons and falling power and all he needed was a good kick in the a*s by the world, not a US a*s-whipping that has cost the lives of over 1,050 young men and women.

Kerry claims that Bush want to reinstate the draft. The bill was introduced by democratic senators and the president is opposed to it.

Yes, introduced by a few and struck down by the rest. You cant blame a party for the actions of 2 congressmen. Kerry is also opposed to it. However, the stop-loss program is allowing the military to continue enlistments and threaten to send enlistees to Iraq if they do not renew their contracts. That is just as bad. With the current war the US military is 40,000 troops short. We are going to need more and thanks to the war in Iraq and all the offensives coming form the axis of evil the draft may become eminent. Neither party says they want a draft, but the war is making it hard to get around.

How come Kerry won't come out about CBS's accountability? Could it be because either someone in his group or the DNC released the information?

The DNC has nothing to do with that story. The gentleman who supplied the documents came to many mainstream and independent media outlets including a site I have done feature writing for, RawStory.com. RawStory ran a similar story in August, the Boston Globe picked it up in mid August and CBS ran their version of it in September. The DNC has nothing to do with it.

Joshua, some of your comments scare me. If you believe John Kerry when he is "Proven" wrong I am afraid of what this country could become

How was Kerry Proven wrong? You say that with no inference as to how. Your opinion is not a proven fact.

There are ads that claim Bush is racist and is trying to stop blacks from voting. How come there are no minorities on Kerry's staff? They are only using Jesse Jackson as a mouthpiece.

Katherine Harris, one of Bush's campaign advisors and head of Florida voting, hired a company called Database Technologies to filter out ex-felons. However, it filtered out people with names the same as or close to those of felons and people with addresses close to those of felons. Database told her this would happen and she told them to do it regardless. This made it very difficult for many black people to vote and many did not file an appeal. Seeing as blacks are stereotypically democrats number say this cost Gore around 1100 votes. Bush is not a racist, but this flaw, on the behalf of his advisor, in the state his brother is Governor of, cost many black voters their rights as Americans. This just seems a little suspicious to many people. Here is an example from the Telegraph.
::Mr Lawrence, a Baptist deacon and grandfather from a poor black district of Tampa, has cause to be suspicious. Shortly before the 2000 election, he was told he had no legal right to vote, as he was a felon, a serious criminal who had never received clemency from the state.
The letter was wrong, as it was for thousands who were wrongly placed on the 2000 voter "purge list". Many had already received clemency, and others were victims of mistaken identity.
Mr Lawrence was one of tens of thousands struck off voter rolls in 2000 accused of being ex-convicts and convicted felons. A Florida law dating from the slave era bans those convicted of a felony from voting unless granted clemency by the governor.
Mr Lawrence, a former civil rights worker, spent months scouring court records back to 1962 before proving his right to vote. "You can imagine how many people didn't take the time I did, and just gave up," he said.
"I believe what happened last time was systematic; it ran through the governor right to the president," he said. "I hope my vote will be counted this time."::


With the comments he made about the other candidates it is obvoiously an act that him, Lieberman, and Dean are on the same page. The only reason Edwards is is because he want to be VP and hopes to be pres later.

He has Edwards for Southern likeability, no doubt about it. But you have to admit Edwards, and Cheney, did a good job on Tuesday's debate.

Hope this has cleared things up for you and answered your questions.
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Are they going to give Homeland Security more teeth

AUTHOR: John - (U.S.A.)

You mention all the measures that the Bush administration has been trying to put in place thriugh Homeland Security. The senate which includes Kerry and Edwards keep throwing up roadblocks.You are mentioning nothing new but Kerry and Edwards are claiming they will get it done.

I still want to know how???
Are they going to give Homeland Security more teeth? Do they have a different approach than a Homeland Security Department? Are they going to gleave it up to FBI, CIA, Other????

I am not asking for specific bills. Obviously they don't want a Homeland Security department because they claim that Biush's way is wrong.

As far as his plan to rebuild Iraq, France and Germany have already announced that they will be part of no plan no matter who is president. How does he plan to "mend this fence"?

You ignorant comment about Cheney and Halliburton is just a repeat of the democratic claim that is unfounded. The salary that Cheney receives is deferred payments. This can not be changed either higher or lower and was agreed to years ago. You Kerry supporters hear the facts but refuse to accept them.
I don't think that my comment about Heinz was newarly as ignorant. Even though she is "just a stockholder" as you put it she still can have influence over the companies practices.

Sadaam may not have had proven ties to 9-11 but he does have proven that the is making the payments to the suicide bombers families all over the world. Are you saying that all the war on terror is related to 9-11?? You are now saying that we should not have gone in but Kerry's own interviews and speeches from last year are saying we absolutely should have deposed him.

Kerry had the exact same information as Bush about Sadaam because he was on the intelligence committee. He still voted to give the president and supported him all the way. Why is he reversing now???

Kerry claims that Bush want to reinstate the draft. The bill was introduced by democratic senators and the president is opposed to it.

How come Kerry won't come out about CBS's accountability? Could it be because either someone in his group or the DNC released the information?

Joshua, some of your comments scare me. If you believe John Kerry when he is "Proven" wrong I am afraid of what this country could become. There are ads that claim Bush is racist and is trying to stop blacks from voting. How come there are no minorities on Kerry's staff? They are only using Jesse Jackson as a mouthpiece.

With the comments he made about the other candidates it is obvoiously an act that him, Lieberman, and Dean are on the same page. The only reason Edwards is is because he want to be VP and hopes to be pres later.
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Here is your reply John, Many of the intelligence problems that allowed terrorists to slip into our country

AUTHOR: Joshua - (U.S.A.)

"I would like to know what John Kerry's position is. He says he has a better plan for Homeland Security. What is It?"

Track And Stop Terrorists
Many of the intelligence problems that allowed terrorists to slip into our country before 9/11 have not been addressed. John Kerry and John Edwards will improve our ability to gather, analyze, and share information so we can track down and stop terrorists before they cause harm.

Protect Our Borders And Shores
Today, our borders, our ports, and our airports are not as secure as they must be. John Kerry and John Edwards will make our airports, seaports, and borders more secure without intruding upon personal liberties.

Harden Vulnerable Targets
Chemical industry lobbying has kept the Bush administration from strengthening security at chemical plants, where an attack could endanger 1 million Americans. John Kerry and John Edwards will always put Americans' safety ahead of big business interests and take strong measures to harden likely targets-including nuclear plants, trains, and subways-against possible attack.

Improve Domestic Readiness
Our first defenders will respond to any attack with courage and heroism-but they also need the equipment and manpower to do the job. John Kerry and John Edwards will back up their words with resources and ensure that America's first responders have everything they need to protect their communities.

Guard Liberty.
We must always remember that terrorists do not just target our lives - they target our way of life. John Kerry and John Edwards believe in an America that is safe and free, and they will protect our personal liberties as well as our personal security.

I know that is vague. It is from the John Kerry website, but you cant spell out every bill you need to pass action that needs to be taken. Most Americans would be too confused. But atleast you get the idea.

"He has a better plan for rebuilding and getting out of Iraq?? What is it???"

He discussed this very well at the debate. He will hold a an international summit and try to mend the fences Bush broke in order to get international assistance. He will increase Iraqi troop training so the Iraqis can defend themselves. Those are just a few things. Read his website and some of the DP press releases for more information.

"He has a better plean for the economy. What is it? He says outsourcing jobs to other companies is a problem but his wife's company does it?"

For starters that is such an ignorant comment. Heinz is a publically traded company and Teressa has very-little to NO say in their policies. Just because she married one of the major shareholders doesn't entitle her to make corporate decisions. If you want to talk about people with ties to crooked companies look at d**k Cheney and Haliburton. He still recieves a paycheck from them and has stock in the company and we started a war with Iraq KNOWING Haliburton would get no-bid contracts if we go to war in a hurry because they had them during the desert storm and would have no time for a bidding process.

Here is what Kerry says he will do for the economy. If you want to know more just visit his website.

Create Good-Paying Jobs
As president, John Kerry will cut taxes for businesses that create jobs here in America instead of moving them overseas. John Kerry and John Edwards will also stand up for workers by enforcing our trade agreements.

Cut Middle-Class Taxes To Raise Middle-Class Incomes
When John Kerry is president, middle-class taxes will go down. Ninety-eight percent of all Americans and 99 percent of American businesses will get a tax cut under the Kerry-Edwards plan.

Make Washington Live Within A Budget
John Kerry will cut the deficit in half during his first four years in office. He will end corporate welfare as we know it, roll back the Bush tax cuts for the wealthiest Americans, and impose a real cap to keep spending in check. And when John Kerry puts forward a new idea, he'll tell you how he's going to pay for it.

Invest In The Jobs Of Tomorrow
Today, businesses are harnessing new technology to manufacture energy-efficient cars, high-grade steel, advanced plastics and other new products. And this requires a bigger, skilled labor force to make them. John Kerry and John Edwards believe we should invest in these jobs and invest in the people who will fill them.

"He says we have to win back our allies. Are we out for them or for ourselves????"

C'mon. That doesn't even make sense. The more true allies we have the more assistance we will have in the war on terror and in fighting foreign wars. That is a no-brainer. By having a rogue nation persona thanks to Bush we have alienated some of our closest allies and have had to take on a way where we do 90% of the war ourselves when we wouldn't have had to if Bush had not been in such a mad dash to war and would have exhausted all recources before war.

"That debate was a joke. It was scripted. How can any of you formulate a position one way or the other?"

The debate was a joke to you because most Americans felt Kerry won.

"You all who are anti war and say you hate Bush because of it. Would you all hate him if he left things alone and more terrorists attacked our citizens abroad?"

Sigh. Saddam had no ties to terrorism. Don't believe me? Read the 9/11 Commission Report. The war in iraq is not the war on terror. These are two separate issues. We are failing in the war on terror by taking special forces troops away from the puruit of Osama and putting them in Iraq. Also, terrorism has gone up thanks to out takeover of Iraq. We found out that Saddam was such a strong armed dictator that he ws keeping terrorists out of Iraq. The war in Iraq gave new legions of Islamic extremists reason to hate us. Now, Iraq is a breeding ground for new terrorist cells with the sole intention to harm the US. So, Bush's actions have made terrorism worse, not better.

"I am just asking for facts and what these plans are. I am hearing a democratic campaign that is just saying what Bush did wrong but not suggesting or letting us know what is the plan?"

The news filters out a lot of what Kerry has to say. Also, you cant draw a diagram of your plan to lead the world in a 2 minute time limit in a debate. If you want information go to John Kerry's website and read press releases and international news. Hope I answered your questions.
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#76 Consumer Comment

Now, now... it's an admittedly biased view of the President and matters related to 9/11 and the war in Iraq.

AUTHOR: John - (U.S.A.)

I just saw Fahrenheit 9/11, and was Googling to see if I could find any comments regarding errors or inaccuracies in the movie. I'm not a Republican, not a Bush backer, and not a real huge fan of Kerry, but I was curious to see if there were any factual and documented errors in the movie. I haven't found a listing yet, though I'm sure some will pop up.



But the reason I went to see this movie, and the reason I'm sure most people will go to see this movie, is not to have my political persuasions swayed in any appreciable manner. Simply put, if you like Bush, this movie won't change your mind (if you even see it). If you don't like Bush, this movie won't change your mind (and you'll likely see it).



It's entertainment with an agenda, and I think Michael Moore has been pretty upfront about that. It's also certainly not a documentary in a technical sense, what with superimposed images and other tricks of the camera. And, as evidenced by my original curiosity to find out what any errors are, I'm sure it's also not 100% accurate. But the fact is that it's an admittedly biased view of the President and matters related to 9/11 and the war in Iraq.



I am always amused by viewpoints that are so filled with partisan emotion that any rational or reasonable point is lost in a whirl of rhetoric. In the end, I'm glad I saw the movie, it hasn't changed (though it possibly has reinforced) my opinion of Bush, and it was amusing and held my attention. I'm sure that those who adhere to the "love it or leave it" view of life in America will accordingly take what must be an extension of their own advice and "watch it or don't."



I'm sure any angst created by Moore's movie can be offset by a nice healthy dose of Rush and Fox News commentary.
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#77 Consumer Comment

Allegations...No facts. Congress afraid of Bush?

AUTHOR: Tammy - (U.S.A.)

Hi everyone. I don't mean to bash anyone here but I would like to comment on Janet's comment. Janet, there are tons of sites like you described in your note. They make all the same allegations. However they never make facts available at independent sources you can check out. I have noticed the same pattern, whether it be with politics or with religion or with some other subject.



Someone makes fierce allegations and then you have a bunch of copy cats who post verbatim the allegations all over the net in different websites and different pages, but it is almost impossible to track down the original site, the original source or get some hard data for this information.



I am not interested in allegations. I am only interested in those that can be backed up by fact. Other than that, it is a waste of time and I don't have the time or patience for conspiracy theories.



One of the above guys made a comment about the sheep in congress being afraid of Bush. I somehow don't think that is true. If it were true and they were truly terrified of Bush, they would not have dropped the ball on the appointment of judges and they would not have stonewalled on so many other things.



I still think that Congress needs to pass a line item veto so that the president has the authority to just cross out and veto all these pork barrel amendments attached to these legislations.



You're are right. Congress needs to learn to live within its means.



Thanks all for the replies.



As for the movie itself, I have no interest in seeing it. I myself could care less about Michael Moore. My decision to not see this movie is based on the following principle. I believe if I am going to pay $9 a theater ticket per adult and $4.50 per child and not to mention the fortune you spend to get sodas and popcorns, then I am going to watch a movie that makes me laugh or inspires me to positive thoughts. I have no interest in paying to watch a documentary. That is why I get discovery channel and the history channel. Its like paying to go see Jerry Springer in my book.



That is the ripoff. The theater prices and the fact that Michael Moore has chosen to gouge the American people by releasing it in a venue that rips off consumers even more. Lets hear it for the theaters, folks.



If he was really serious about his message, why not get it sponsored by Frontline or picked up by a network? That way the advertisers can pay for it, the same advertisers who like Janet Jackson and many more people can watch it for free. It is not any worse than some of the silly shows currently out there.



Adios folks. I am signing off on this subject because I believe I have said enough.
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Liberal responses from liberals

AUTHOR: Robert - (U.S.A.)

To Daren and Eric, I say go forword and support whomever and whatever you want.

Daren, resorting to name calling rather than addressing issues is a liberal ploy used on many other websites.

Gripe! Gripe! Gripe! and then insult when challenged with fact!

Daren, you need to stay where you are in a State where the lifestyle is slower. This seems to fit you and level of understanding.

As for work, I retired after 30 years at the same job. Pretty decent work record.

Do you even work. Or do you surf the web all day and try and find things to gripe about?

Daren, you never made anything other than accusations and then turned to insults rather than back anything up with facts. Ty[ical liberal and MM response.

Eric, go see the movie. Pay whatever it cost. Enjoy.

Liberals and subversives need entertainment to.

It was my right to protest the release of this movie.

Eric, as for trying to stop the movies release before seeing it, after all his other work which was bashing America each and every time, I don't need to see a repeat rolled into a different package. And there have been enough previews of what is in the movie all over his websites and the few other sites in support of MM.

All liberals and MM fans can bash the Country and lash out at those who are trying to make a difference.

But Daren, if you're going to make arguments in defense of your position or standce on an issue, try having some facts their young man.

Name one fact MM has brought out in any of his books or movies!

Daren, judging by your posts here, I would say you haven't been out of school long, if you've graduated. No girlfriend or wife or life partner to share anything with. Few friends. And a job, maybe, that you don't really like. And your only true friend, the keyboard. You may have a few credits or maybe a bunch of college credits and a high GPA.

What separates us, is that I use my intelligence and abilities for positive change and advancement

in this society.

I have many lberal friends who both my wife and I thoroughly enjoy spending hours with talking about any and all subjects.

One of our liberal friends once said that they were disturbed by the so called liberals coming out of schools today as they were turning more towards a facists or communists way of thinking.

Daren, next year after you graduate high school, try and find a college that teaches you about trolls. You seem to have a fasciantion with them.

When and if you ever get a job where you can last 30 years, email me and I'll send you a Congratulations Card.

As for your petty little insults, I do pitty you. That's all you did was attack and insult! Never once did you make a point. And once again you rabid MM fan, name one fact MM or any other liberal has made that is valid and TRUE!
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Only In America!!!!!!!

AUTHOR: Robert - (U.S.A.)

To all who have responded to this complaint, I do thank you.



Many of you helped prove several things with your responses.



I have learned quite a bit about the nature of things in this country.



From many these responses, I see more than a few writing in the future about how they were stupid enough to be ripped off!



People, for the last time, this report was a rip-off report.



I did then, and am more convinced now that Michael Moores movie is a rip off. I don't give a d**n how much the movie made.



Misty Beethoven made about $400,000,000.00 before it finally left porno theatres.



So anyone using or thinking about using the amount of money its made to lend it some credibility, look at the porn reference above!



Money doesn't give it credibility!



Michael Moore took the truth and turned it around to suit himself and the RADICAL LEFT!



You people attacked my position that the movie was a con as being evil and trying to prevent his Freedom of Speech!



Yet my choosing to exercise my right to Free Speech in dissent was somehow wrong.



People griping about the slow economy, where are you getting this info? And why are you blaming the President!



How about the business you're in or the business you own isn't very good as being the reason work is slow.



How about the fact you may be a total a*s as being the reason you can't find work.



How about the fact that maybe your comapny is downright trash and nobody wants to do business with you!



Or how about people exercising their right to choose and doing business with some other person or fim!



How about suing your employer for taking jobs overseas!



Its easier to blame George Bush!



Why don't you people serve some cheese with all the WHINE!



These facts I do know for sure.



George Bush is from Texas. A great State.

George Bush is an honorable man!

George Bush is an honest man!

George Bush has never betrayed this Country or the American people!

George Bush has been one of the few people in this country with the guts and ability to stand up to terrorists and the countries that habor them and do what has been needed for 15 years.



And that is take the fight to the terrorist!



My attackers wanted to make this political, so be it!!!!!



George Bush and his administration have led this country into a world changing event. When this war is over, terrorists will be few.



No, there are always going to be terrorists! But it is time to rid the world of all the terrorists worldwide.



How many innocent men, women and children have been murdered by terrorists in the last 30 years.



How about the 1972 Munich Olympics?



You people need to go back in history and check some facts. No don't go to your favorite anti Bush Anti American website for your answers.



I'm talking about doing some real searching about terrorists and the thousands they've murdered.



You deal with terrorists with a gun.

You kill them before they kill innocent men, women and children.



And to the boneheads, here are some more facts about George Bush!



George Bush is a millionaire. The last figures put his net worth at $15,000,000.00.



The same figures put Kerry's net worth at about 4 billion and John Edwards net worth at $75,000,000.00.



Bush owns oil company stock. According to many of you, this makes him a partner to Osama.



I guess then that every politician or person in this country that has oil stock is in league with Osama!



The Bush's have had a long standing association with the Osama's family.



This somehow makes him guilty of being involved in 911!



And you morons went on and on.



Only a few managed to get what this report was all about! A simple ripoff.



This report became extremely funny when several of you started using this report as a Chat Line!



Some of you have become the butt of jokes on several sites.



One site is even trying to find out who the writers are and is offering rewards for the real info on several of you.



This site will publish your real names, addresses home and work phone numbers!

And this report to further humiliate my attackers.



And no, I tried to prevent this but my attackers should understand how people get pissed off at senseless attacks as have been thrust upon me these last weeks.



Finally, in closing, I'll say that Debbie, since you accused me of threatening you,I intend to turn over a copy of this report to Slidell Police when I'm down in Slidell the 21st,22nd and 23rd!



To the supporters, thanks for making this a good fight and alwasy remember to support this website so these guys can keep improving this service to everyone.
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CLARIFICATION

AUTHOR: Geena - (U.S.A.)

Hello - Geena again. Just want to be exact, so I revisted my source of info.



According to the State Of Texas, the place I mentioned is called the "World Trade Center Building", and you will find it listed under "Port Of Houston".
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#81 Consumer Comment

Right on, Pamela

AUTHOR: Marilynn - (U.S.A.)

Pamela's reaction to the words of "Tony" was identical to mine. Tony IS Robert.

Identical "points," identical defenses, identical claims, but what effort it took for the attempted disguise. The irony here is that the deception which Robert so despises when it's employed by a persuasive film maker with a different political perspective than that of Robert, is a tool that Robert himself has now used. Robert, hang it up.
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Robert YOU are the MORON IDIOT!!!!!

AUTHOR: Pamela - (U.S.A.)

You want us to believe that "alimighty Bush" is stopping terrorism and that Bin Laden/Saddam did it all by themselevs? You are STUPID! You are one of the WAR KOOKS selling war at the expense of our troops who could be at home in peace but fighting a BOGUS WAR! THey are losing their lives over the propaganda and you must be one of the KOOKS benefiting from the deaths of our troops and the civilians in Iraq while you sit on your BUTT slurping HOT DOGS while waving the American Flag deceiving Americans that this war is legit! Bet you REALLy think Saddam was "captured" too!
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#83 Consumer Suggestion

Umm, isn't this site for helping consumers not bashing us

AUTHOR: Knilja - (U.S.A.)

I only started to read your complaint because I thought it was a complaint against a company. Instead, it's just place where the author seemed to use alot of server space to air his own opinion on Mr. Moore. Who cares? Well it does rile alot of people up and if that was his intention, why doesn't the author just host his own website instead of wasting RipOffreport.com? It really dirties up the site when people use it for their own agenda such as this guy. Free speech is great, but find the right platform. We consumers need a place to voice our problems with Companys who have ripped us off. Usually that means by something we spent our money on, not by filing a complaint because you don't like someone's political stance...there are plenty of sites for that.
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#84 REBUTTAL Individual responds

Thank You, One and All!

AUTHOR: Robert - (U.S.A.)

I want to thank all who responded to this report. For most of you, it was for some odd reason decided to ingore the report and instead attack me for what you thought were my political views.

Many who responded only used the format to spew their venom and hate towards a country they don't seem to want to leave the security of!

All the while, not giving their real name! Always instead choosing to remain unknown! Only maybe a first name and city or town.



The attacks by several of you have been so radical that people viewing this report and then emailing me with their comments have been stunned that something Michael Moore said is actually true. Only instead of White Men, we have to include White Women as being Dumb Americans. To paraphrase MM!



Matt and Darren, your postings were those of what seemed like fairly DUMB people. Darren, I'll bet you're on two other websites!

For the last time, I do believe that the rip off with anything that MM has published is that he passes things off as FACTs before the release of his newest project and then it becomes merely his own opinions!



As with his latest documentary/his own views/his own opinions movie that all of you so violently defended, how about these facts!



He was shown interviewing a congreeman and when the congressman said that his nephew had been vcalled up to service in Iraq and when MM found out that three other Senators had children serving in Iraq, MM still said in his movie that no Senators child was risking their life in Iraq when he fact he had intentionally edited out FACTS!!!!

There were more than 35 other opinions of MM that are proven FALSE from his new movie!



Matt, you asked what my saying that I, my brothers and father had served in the military was for!

You questioned me as maybe being a Draft Dodger in one of your posts.



Debbie, again, sorry for your loss but I don't see where this Genocide you and others speak about is going on.



And what kind of information were you getting from your son that you claim had changed his mind prior to his death? This sounds like information that needs to be made very public and in a very loud manner.



Once again, I think the rip off happens when people pay him for something opposite of what is advertised.



As for the two cretins that call our president dumbya, why don't you identify yourself amd let all of America, or anyone reading this report know who you really are.



You'll find you'll have a lot of new friends. People like you are the safest people to be around. Terrorists won't dare harm any of you because they consider all of you their brothers and sisters in arms. That only lasts until you no longer serve their purpose.
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#85 Consumer Comment

It is people like you who scare me

AUTHOR: Matt - (U.S.A.)

Thanks for the list I was wondering where to go to see his latest movie Mr. Moore was putting out. It is people like you who scare me. Free speach is in danger. Protest you say, what are you protesting I don't understand?



Try to worry about yourself and let free people make their own choices. I would not tell you what movie to see, what paper to read, or even what radio station to listen to.



Good luck with your communism.
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#86 Consumer Comment

No Robert...

AUTHOR: Debbie - (U.S.A.)

you came here to start an argument and you did. The down side to it is that, you resorted to calling people names and posturing with threats to my well-being. Had this not occurred there might have been an opportunity to have an educated discussion.



You throw things out at people like "they must sit at home all day and do nothing". Or demand that I share with you my only son's thoughts about a war that killed him. I was not going to respond to you anymore but I felt the new people posting to your "RIPOFF REPORT" needed a refresher about how you conduct business.



So you know I was not impressed by your threats I have been in the hospital with a pretty horrible infection. I will though be sitting home for the next 2 weeks "doing nothing all day" so I do hope you remember your manners before you go off calling more people names.



Oh, and Robert, you are always so interested in what us "bleeding-heart" liberals are doind for a living...I am CEO of my own company and have been for the better of 10 years. I have 40 employees who get fantastic health care and get paid a good wage for a job well done. I also want you to know that our government makes it VERY inticing to go look for labor elsewhere. But how can I with truth and honesty sell something from Luzianne that is made in, I don't know say Sri Lanka? Taxes are killing me and to be completely honest here, I made only a few thousand over my employees in 2003. So just call me Liberal and remember threats are taken seriously and acted on.
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#87 REBUTTAL Individual responds

Interesting comment Tom..."The Truth" until they are seen by intelligent people

AUTHOR: Robert - (U.S.A.)

Tom,

Tell me one major thing that President Bush has done wrong?

The rantings by Nat in Vegas seemed like he'd just gotten them off a Hate Bush Website!

And not one allegation backed up by anything called FACT!

And what truths in MM's new movie?

For that matter, what truths in any of his movies, books or lectures?

MM's movies are called "The Truth" until they are seen by intelligent people and when intelligent people are critical of his movies, you liberals and MM supporters then claim his movie(s) are merely made to get people to think!

MM gets me to think. I'm still wondering how it is that so many people support him. All he does is Bash America and you people pay him for it!

OK here goes.

I hate America- Everyone send me $1.00.

I hate this Country- Everyone send me $1.00

I want to see George Bush defeated in the election- Everyone send me $1.00

George Bush has never done anything right- Everyone send me $1.00.

You won't send me the money. So why send it to him.

If you want to hate America,,,fine. But why pay someone else a few dollars just to hear them scream what you yourself say?

Think and you won't be a victim of MM's con.

Think and you won't be a victim of any con.

Read all the reports on this site and it generally boils down to one mistake.

Not using common sense!
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#88 Author of original report

Most of you miss the point

AUTHOR: Robert - (U.S.A.)

Naturally, the MM supporters say I'm telling people not to go to this supposed movie because of censorship. A typical MM supporter response. I'll bet Matt and his supporters also are mad because of the embarrassment caused to the poor Iraqis prisonoers.



I never told anyone not to see MM new movie.

Simply put, the angry responses seem to be from those who read what they wanted to instead of what was actaully printed. I want every one who agrees with bashing this country the way Michael Moore and his supporters do. He's making money, your money, by bashing this Country but NEVER offering any other solution.



Maybe if you paid him enough, he offer solutions.

I choose NOT to pay him a cent.



Censoship and violating anyones right to Free Speech is something I would never do.



Matt, you and the other Michael Moore supporters do as you please. But don't accuse me of something I'm not and accuse me of something I wasn't trying to do.



Read what is there Matt and try and understand what is written.



Maybe then you'll understand.
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#89 Consumer Comment

no action apparently so he must prove his manhood here on these posts

AUTHOR: Debbie - (U.S.A.)

Thank you Tammy for your concern but...That is not what this is about. I want Mr. I-Know-Everything to understand the loss. But he will never.



He speaks of his 4 sons and himself being in the service, no action apparently so he must prove his manhood here on these posts. My son was the best man I have ever known in my life and you make a mockery of manhood Dale City Robert.



As I stated before he is no better than the likes of Hussain. IF it were allowed here I am sure he would kill people for disagreeing with him also.



Now my take on this. WE, the Good Old U S of A, needs to not worry about how other people live. We need to worry about our own first. Bushy Boy goes around trying to tell us how he interprits the Bible, well does the Good Book not say that God takes care of those who take care of themselves? I really do no think that was meant to mean how many oil rich countries we can take over. Saddam has had this way of life for a long time, and by the way whatever happened to Osama?



Mr. Robert, do you remember how the Iraqis' got those most sought after WMD? I do believe it was another Republican President who sold/gave/helped them aquire such. And where was it that Bushy found these? Oh yeah that's right...THERE ARE NONE!!!!!!. So you just keep teling yourself that this war is because of 911, and you keep living in a closet. This is a war of GREED no more no less. Bush is absolutely no better than Saddam himself. They use the same tactics to get what they want. OUR children (oh that's right, they are not your children so they don't count) are dying everyday for nothing, nada, zip, zilch. So you stay locked up in your little mind and let the real people discuss how this country has gone to hell in a handbasket because of the Bush adminstration.



Now the big decisions of the day:

What flavor Bon Bons and

Which soap is gonna be the juiciest?
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#90 Consumer Comment

"Don't Hate The Player...Hate The Game!

AUTHOR: Mary - (U.S.A.)

I must say how frightening and sad it is that ignorance still prevails in this country. This is in reference to the initial comment that was made about the new documentary that is coming out.



this Friday, June 25th. Sir, I wouldn't join forces with you if you were the last person on the planet earth. You can barely write, and I question your ability to read and assess things.



Now if there are some words here that you don't understand, I suggest that you go to your local library (if you still have one in light of Bush's budget cuts)! You make me feel ashamed to be an American! How can you critique a movie that hasn't even come out yet?



Perhaps I should refer to you as 976-[DELETED]. The best that I can tell you is that instead of sitting around in the old trailer park all day spewing hatred, why don't you make yourself a "Good American", and go out there and get some EDUCATION (if your old buddy Bush hasn't cut the budget for that as well).



Believe me, educating ignorant people like yourself would definitely make America a happier and more prosperous place for all of us. I also would like ot say "RIGHT ON MATT IN LAS VEGAS! YOU MAKE SENSE TO ME!"
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#91 REBUTTAL Individual responds

Hope You Enjoy The Movie

AUTHOR: Robert - (U.S.A.)

Nat, Hope you enjoy the movie. I guess mom is going to let you stay up late to see the movie. Thats great.

Matt, do you work?

What field?

When do you plan to move out of your mom and dad's?

Were you around a lot of lead paint growing up?

Nat, your comments were lame and quite ineffective!

Picking and choosing part of an statement is typical liberal attack methods.

As for seeing the movie, you're just the type of person who I thought would pay to view it! See it twice or even 3 times.

Give all your money to Michael Moore! This is what he wants from you. Unquestioned loyalty to his highness MM!

MM legions of followers support him without question. Pretty much like the Germans did with Hitler. All the MM Heads need to do is come up with a salute.

We reasonable and true Americans already have a proper salute for MM and his legion of fans.

And we aren't raising our hands to signify we think either he or any of his followers are number1!

Nat, maybe one day you'll opt for the headoptimy!
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#92 Consumer Comment

Bush is a corporate blow boy that could care less if you had a job, or if the price of gas goes up to $5 a gallon

AUTHOR: Pete - (U.S.A.)

Robert - Dale City, Virginia---->How long have you been off your MEDS????



I have better things to do; like look for a job---thanks to Bush and his idea that "Outsourcing jobs to China is good for the economy", yet I had to respond to the last of your verbal masterbation. It's clear to me know that you have escaped from your padded room, and like Harry Houdini, you managed to work your way out of a straight jacket in order to uses the nurses computer to post this crap---while she was on her coffee break.



Do us all a favor:



Go Back on your meds(quit spitting them out into your INSURE breakfast drink).



Listen to your therapist; she knows whats best for you.



Face reality----Bush is a corporate blow boy that could care less if you had a job, or if the price of gas goes up to $5 a gallon---he gets paid by China, Mexico, the oil companies, etc.--->if you have a job or not.



Anyone can start a war. It takes a real leader to keep peace. Bush has managed to piss off most of the world, and we the people pay for his crap.



There are plenty of countries that would like to drop another tower--thanks to GEORGE DUBUWA d****eBAG!!



He told Thailand that they can't use generic AIDS drugs!! You know why?? The brand name companies pay for his TV ADS!!



He--his Daddy---Clinton, and Regan -- sold us out!!



Kerry is not my first choice as president; yet he is 100000000000 times better then G.W.B.!!



Edwards hates NAFTA, so maybey between the two of them we can get his country back on track--with jobs that pay the cost of living..





THAT IS THE REAL ISSUE... NOT SOME MOVIE....WE HAVE A HITLER IN OFFICE THAT CAN NOT EVEN GET THE ECONOMY GOING HALF AS GOOD AS HITLER DID FOR GERMANY!!



Robbie---I hear the nurse coming up the hall--time to run back in to the rubber room again.



Toodles....
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#93 Consumer Comment

Tony IS Robert!!!!

AUTHOR: Pamela - (U.S.A.)

Who cares about the request to boycott. The point is Robert when manic because people disagreed about Bush being innocent then he resorted to name calling. So do you understand what you read?
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#94 REBUTTAL Individual responds

Oh Well.

AUTHOR: Robert - (U.S.A.)

This site trying to gather peoples personal info as I understand it from other sources has been around since the net became so huge.

From what I've been told, the yahoos that run it are not bad people just nosey as all hell and they've devoted their lives to doing crap like this.

That is why I never say anything online that I would not want known.

Sorry, if anyone thinks they are unknown online, please think again.

People have managed to break into every system known, at least what they report in the news.

So why would any of you think for one minute everything about anyone in this world isn't floating around somewhere online at one of ten million sites.

And that is a conservative estimate.

To be perfectly truthful, I really don't care to meet any of you.

But as for being online, it is very advisable to

watch what you type and send.

I don't know a lot about computers, but the people that have built mine have told me that there are programs out there that allow anyone to do anything.

Having the right security system is the best start. This is no plug, but since I installed (Sorry Can't Tell The Name), I have had nothing to worry about.

Plus, go to Ad-Aware and get their Free download. This program is another good one to have. Saves alot of time and trouble. Will identify and erase any spyware or adware put on your computer.

Plus using an email service that scans incoming emails is another plus!

Its easy to use and that makes it even better.

I was warned that the bounties had been put on all our heads and relayed said warning.

Number one rule, I never fill out surveys. You never know what purpose that information is being collected for. And by who.

I don't fear the Patriot Act I or II. If Big Brother wants to follow or listen to me, that's fine. I don't have anything to hide.

What bothers me are these sites that do nothing but collect anything and everything they can, whether its true or not.

This kind of information collecting is worth worrying about.

For instance, how about all the sites people join, put all their personal information into and then the site closes. What happens to all that personal information?

Word is that it gets sold to the highest bidder.

That that is something anyone, no matter what your beliefs are, should all worry about.

TOO Much Information was a phrase coined by the founder of this information collecting movement.

If anyone knows anything anout this group or how to not accidently stumble onto their website, as they seem to use a series of links to get you there. Some say they use emails disguised as offers and ordinary stuff with links that if you go to them, you are sent to this group of sites.

Anyone with info could sure add their two cents worth. I bookmarked the site and when I went back to it, I got the "Page Unavailable" notice.
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#95 Consumer Comment

Hey Robert Can You Read

AUTHOR: Dawn - (U.S.A.)

I have to hand it to you... insulting Debbie the person you are looking for is me. And I dont have to agree with you or Dumbya and if you dont like it you and the president can stick where the sun dont shine..Yeah I said it.



I happen to know the bill of rights and I do believe freedom of speech is the first amendment as long as someone is singing Dumbya praises you are okay with that. And unlike Dumbya I can tell you a website that has a list of soldiers that have been killed and you wont find too many over 40. 95% of the troops killed have been 35 and younger. I can read. So well that I know who I am hurling my insults at.



To Debbie, I am sorry you lost your son in this needless war. My prayers are with you and your family. So many parents have lost their young sons and daughters in this bogus war. Too bad idiots like Robert cant have an objective opinion without insulting you in your time of loss what an idiot.
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#96 Consumer Comment

To the Two Roberts

AUTHOR: Darren - (U.S.A.)

Alas,

The last refuge of the bully. You say imflammatory things, then you come back with "awe shucks, that wasn't what I said" or "I was just kidding."



As said before... a troll by any other name is a troll.



Quoted below is your "intelligent, well thought out post." Maybe you can show us where we were wrong?



"Don't let these people win.

Although Michael Moore claims to be one of us hard working Americans and one who is trying to protect us, it all comes down to money.

Michael Moore has gotten rich off of half trusts, speculation and outright lies.

Michael Moore cares about money and how fast he can get it.

Wake Up America and open your eyes.

To liberals I say, get your head out of your butts and take in some fresh air. Clear your head and then you'll see what Michael Moore is all about!"



If you want to open someone to your thoughts, do you usually tell them that they have their heads up their butts? Come on.... You made silly a*s comments and when called on them you back down and try to become all rationale and upstanding. At least have the guts to stand up to your idiotic posting. Why cast the first stone and then be all upset when people strike back? I don't get it.



For the other Robert.... I will match my college transcripts and GPA to yours anytime. Feel free to contact the editor and he can set something up between us. If not, then I will admit that you are smart enough to spell GED. Other than that who knows. I would love to see your leve of education. I tell you what... let's have the one with the least college credits pay the other $10 for each credit difference? I could sure use the money.



Go back under your bridge.
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#97 Consumer Comment

To the Two Roberts

AUTHOR: Darren - (U.S.A.)

Alas,

The last refuge of the bully. You say imflammatory things, then you come back with "awe shucks, that wasn't what I said" or "I was just kidding."



As said before... a troll by any other name is a troll.



Quoted below is your "intelligent, well thought out post." Maybe you can show us where we were wrong?



"Don't let these people win.

Although Michael Moore claims to be one of us hard working Americans and one who is trying to protect us, it all comes down to money.

Michael Moore has gotten rich off of half trusts, speculation and outright lies.

Michael Moore cares about money and how fast he can get it.

Wake Up America and open your eyes.

To liberals I say, get your head out of your butts and take in some fresh air. Clear your head and then you'll see what Michael Moore is all about!"



If you want to open someone to your thoughts, do you usually tell them that they have their heads up their butts? Come on.... You made silly a*s comments and when called on them you back down and try to become all rationale and upstanding. At least have the guts to stand up to your idiotic posting. Why cast the first stone and then be all upset when people strike back? I don't get it.



For the other Robert.... I will match my college transcripts and GPA to yours anytime. Feel free to contact the editor and he can set something up between us. If not, then I will admit that you are smart enough to spell GED. Other than that who knows. I would love to see your leve of education. I tell you what... let's have the one with the least college credits pay the other $10 for each credit difference? I could sure use the money.



Go back under your bridge.
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#98 Consumer Comment

Who are you!!?

AUTHOR: Loretta - (U.S.A.)

CHAIRMAN TERRY McAULIFFE



WHO ARE YOU KERRY?



Are your roots set in Colorado where you were born and lived for 4 days?



Are you the man we see in the mid west on a tractor reminiscing of the good old days?



Are you for the little guy or are you an elitist pandering to minority voters.



Are you a god fearing man? Or are you the guy who has fund-raises where Planet Hollywood talks about there genitals & names them after the president? Do you condone this? I must admit even Whoppi seemed a little low class for a guy like you; however you made no attempt to distance yourself from it.



If you think abortion is wrong then why are you for it?



If you dont mind gays in civil unions, then why are you not for gay marriage?



Did it bother you when you came home from Vietnam with 3 purple hearts and started leading protests that led to some military personal being spit on and called baby killers?



911 do you think we did something to deserve 911? Israel policy maybe?



What is your Israeli policy?



What if you couldn'tt convince the UN to go along with something you thought to be in the best interest of America and its citizens? Would you do it anyway?



Why do you want to roll back my tax cut? I'm not wealthy. Most of my friends aren'tt either. My friends that do have money are already paying over 40%. Do they deserve to pay more?



What is your energy policy? Drill in Alaska or the Gulf of Mexico? Bomb a 3rd world country? Even you can see how ridiculous that sounds. Maybe you can have all of us wealthy people whos tax cuts you want to take just drive little cars while the elite jet set around in whatever they want. What do you think of Celebrities who go over seas and bash the President during war? Do you feel like I and many of my friends that Barbara Streisand and Alec Baldwin shouldve put there money where there mouths were & left the country when Bush was elected? Do you think President Bush sits around all day trying to think of ways to stick it to Howard Stern? Do you listen to Stern? Do you think Martin Sheen has finally convinced himself that he is the President? Has Madonna finally convinced herself she should be named after a book in the bible? DO YOU ALL HERE HOW NARCISSISTIC YOU ARE. Bet your little red string won't save you from that. Do you feel all warm & fuzzy inside knowing Michael Moore wants you to be President?



My president does not have to stand for everything I do.



My president just has to stand for something.



Whats so wrong with morality?



Why shouldn't there be a right & wrong?



Loretta

It is kind of mind blowing how many people are defending MM. He's an elitist wrapped in a Pair of jeans & a baseball cap. If any of us tried to approach him he'd be out the door.



Robert, please stop playing into this. You fought the good fight.

People who keep insulting Roberts intel., you sound like snobs.

Your not smarter or more enlightened than most Republicans. It's kind of funny, you think you are.
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Who are you!!?

AUTHOR: Loretta - (U.S.A.)

CHAIRMAN TERRY McAULIFFE



WHO ARE YOU KERRY?



Are your roots set in Colorado where you were born and lived for 4 days?



Are you the man we see in the mid west on a tractor reminiscing of the good old days?



Are you for the little guy or are you an elitist pandering to minority voters.



Are you a god fearing man? Or are you the guy who has fund-raises where Planet Hollywood talks about there genitals & names them after the president? Do you condone this? I must admit even Whoppi seemed a little low class for a guy like you; however you made no attempt to distance yourself from it.



If you think abortion is wrong then why are you for it?



If you dont mind gays in civil unions, then why are you not for gay marriage?



Did it bother you when you came home from Vietnam with 3 purple hearts and started leading protests that led to some military personal being spit on and called baby killers?



911 do you think we did something to deserve 911? Israel policy maybe?



What is your Israeli policy?



What if you couldn'tt convince the UN to go along with something you thought to be in the best interest of America and its citizens? Would you do it anyway?



Why do you want to roll back my tax cut? I'm not wealthy. Most of my friends aren'tt either. My friends that do have money are already paying over 40%. Do they deserve to pay more?



What is your energy policy? Drill in Alaska or the Gulf of Mexico? Bomb a 3rd world country? Even you can see how ridiculous that sounds. Maybe you can have all of us wealthy people whos tax cuts you want to take just drive little cars while the elite jet set around in whatever they want. What do you think of Celebrities who go over seas and bash the President during war? Do you feel like I and many of my friends that Barbara Streisand and Alec Baldwin shouldve put there money where there mouths were & left the country when Bush was elected? Do you think President Bush sits around all day trying to think of ways to stick it to Howard Stern? Do you listen to Stern? Do you think Martin Sheen has finally convinced himself that he is the President? Has Madonna finally convinced herself she should be named after a book in the bible? DO YOU ALL HERE HOW NARCISSISTIC YOU ARE. Bet your little red string won't save you from that. Do you feel all warm & fuzzy inside knowing Michael Moore wants you to be President?



My president does not have to stand for everything I do.



My president just has to stand for something.



Whats so wrong with morality?



Why shouldn't there be a right & wrong?



Loretta

It is kind of mind blowing how many people are defending MM. He's an elitist wrapped in a Pair of jeans & a baseball cap. If any of us tried to approach him he'd be out the door.



Robert, please stop playing into this. You fought the good fight.

People who keep insulting Roberts intel., you sound like snobs.

Your not smarter or more enlightened than most Republicans. It's kind of funny, you think you are.
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#100 Consumer Comment

AMEN Matt!

AUTHOR: Betty - (U.S.A.)

Thanks Matt. AMEN!
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#101 Consumer Comment

And Tammy you have got be VERY NAIVE to think Bush had nothing to do with this?

AUTHOR: Pamela - (U.S.A.)

To think that Bin Laden did it "all by himself" without someone on the inside to help makes you VERY gullible! Too many clues point the finger at BUSH! You must work for BIG GOV since you are trying to put people's head in the sand! GET BUSH OUT OF OFFICE! He failed this country financially and he's a MURDERER!!!
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#102 Consumer Comment

Oh Dear Loretta,

AUTHOR: Debbie - (U.S.A.)

You ask many questions of the fine people here but failed to answer yourself. You cannot expect answers when you did not give us your slant on this really. I will say this though...



*I* do not believe in abortion for MYSELF. This is a personal choice to be made. No one has a right in infringe on that "right of choice".



Who are you to decide wheather two people can marry? IT IS NOT YOUR BUSINESS. What is also not your busness is whether or not Kerry is "God-fearing", (by the way GOD is always capitalized).



As far as body parts are concerned...my grandchild calls them "peanit" and ginus" GET OVER IT!!!!!



This country needs someone who is strong politically, not religiously. When I need that type of direction I will go see my religious advisor. There is a reason that there is separation of church and state.



As far as your taxes are concerned you can blame Bush for all that confusion. To make himself look good to the American people after he cried his way into the office, and needed his Bubba to get him there, he gave you all an "additional tax credit" effective immediately. I don't know how many of you noticed BUT you paid taxes on it also. Many of you were put in a higher tax bracket due to it. So he did what for you? Let's also look at the "additional child tax credit". Also had to pay taxes on money that hey you had paid on the year before. Wow he is generous. Now before any of you go off half-cocked about whether I do or do not know what I am talking about, I do taxes as part of my business and I go to classes mandated by the IRS to do such, so argue on.



Another thing that I find remarkable is that you have problems with simple things like HERE/HEAR and also THERE/THEIR. Is that what your Republican education taught you? I normally do not stress about those types things, but this is not a problem with spelling this is grammarical. That is a problem.



I think I need to ask this, why were we in Viet Nam,(2 words not one)? We so systematically want to play big brother that we have to stick our noses into things that have nothing to do with us. That is what we are doing now. So did we deserve what happened on 911 that is hard to say and sounds like an altogether new arguement to start.



See this is supposed to be a free country and we are supposed to be allowed to say and do what we choose to do. So in November I do not care who you vote for, just as long as it is an informed vote. Not scare tactics as one of the candidates is leaning towards often these days.



And now that I have rambled on and on...Bush has NO morality, he is playing all those who feel they themselves do. Those are votes correct?

Whatever happened to YE WHO IS WITHOUT SIN CAST THE FIRST STONE? Seems to me it is still a crime to drink and drive. Seems to me there are laws about underage drinking also. He has no right to try to clean anyones backyard until he figures out how to clean his own!!!!!



Done!
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#103 Consumer Comment

Oh Dear Loretta,

AUTHOR: Debbie - (U.S.A.)

You ask many questions of the fine people here but failed to answer yourself. You cannot expect answers when you did not give us your slant on this really. I will say this though...



*I* do not believe in abortion for MYSELF. This is a personal choice to be made. No one has a right in infringe on that "right of choice".



Who are you to decide wheather two people can marry? IT IS NOT YOUR BUSINESS. What is also not your busness is whether or not Kerry is "God-fearing", (by the way GOD is always capitalized).



As far as body parts are concerned...my grandchild calls them "peanit" and ginus" GET OVER IT!!!!!



This country needs someone who is strong politically, not religiously. When I need that type of direction I will go see my religious advisor. There is a reason that there is separation of church and state.



As far as your taxes are concerned you can blame Bush for all that confusion. To make himself look good to the American people after he cried his way into the office, and needed his Bubba to get him there, he gave you all an "additional tax credit" effective immediately. I don't know how many of you noticed BUT you paid taxes on it also. Many of you were put in a higher tax bracket due to it. So he did what for you? Let's also look at the "additional child tax credit". Also had to pay taxes on money that hey you had paid on the year before. Wow he is generous. Now before any of you go off half-cocked about whether I do or do not know what I am talking about, I do taxes as part of my business and I go to classes mandated by the IRS to do such, so argue on.



Another thing that I find remarkable is that you have problems with simple things like HERE/HEAR and also THERE/THEIR. Is that what your Republican education taught you? I normally do not stress about those types things, but this is not a problem with spelling this is grammarical. That is a problem.



I think I need to ask this, why were we in Viet Nam,(2 words not one)? We so systematically want to play big brother that we have to stick our noses into things that have nothing to do with us. That is what we are doing now. So did we deserve what happened on 911 that is hard to say and sounds like an altogether new arguement to start.



See this is supposed to be a free country and we are supposed to be allowed to say and do what we choose to do. So in November I do not care who you vote for, just as long as it is an informed vote. Not scare tactics as one of the candidates is leaning towards often these days.



And now that I have rambled on and on...Bush has NO morality, he is playing all those who feel they themselves do. Those are votes correct?

Whatever happened to YE WHO IS WITHOUT SIN CAST THE FIRST STONE? Seems to me it is still a crime to drink and drive. Seems to me there are laws about underage drinking also. He has no right to try to clean anyones backyard until he figures out how to clean his own!!!!!



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#104 Consumer Suggestion

an added note...

AUTHOR: Janet - (U.S.A.)

Sorry, about the missing website link and since rip off report won't post this at all...everyone knows the general format for a website link and so its under [DELETED].
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#105 Author of original report

The Rewards Keep Rolling In!!!

AUTHOR: Robert - (U.S.A.)

Thank you Daren. Your lame attempt at answering my factual response only solidifies my belief of just what your IQ is!

All you people who attacked my report actually never read or rather understood what I had written. You then attacked me as being everything from a communists to a facists!

And when I prove that people, including Daren had not understood what I had written in the first place, Daren's response was to try and insult me further.

But this is the mindset of the liberal and MM fan.

Forget understanding anything, attack anyone who disagrees with you in any way shap or form.
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#106 Consumer Comment

I think you guys are in the wrong place

AUTHOR: Dawn - (U.S.A.)

First off, Robert ( the one that started it all)if you have AOL you may want to publish your debate there. You have not shown where the rip off occured but I can tell you where the biggest rip off is being done. Right there on Capitol Hill, I could go on forever about "DUBYA" but I will make it brief. From the drunk driving into a hedge to the failing project in Iraq. This guy gets no love from me. They are killing people under 30 over there daily (Generation X). I dont care about Iraq, they cant comprehend the way of life we are constantly trying to shove down their throats.



I say let them be with dirt floors and no ceilings. Bottom line is this we shouldnt even be there. No WMD basically tells me that DUMBYA didnt know what the hell he was talking about. Dont give me he got bad intelligence line hes supposed to be a leader not a follower. But what can you expect from someone who reads all their speeches from a teleprompter? This is not a "war on terrorism" its more like a "hostile takeover". When my president says someone has WMD and produces nothing but a Good and Humor Ice Cream Truck and a box of Tide with some sling shots, he's not qualified to lead me anywhere.
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#107 Author of original report

What genocide?

AUTHOR: Robert - (U.S.A.)

Debbie,



Sorry to hear of your loss. But I cannot buy the accusation of Genocide!



With the way the media blasts Bush and this Government, and with as many reporters "Imbedded" with the troops, why nothing about this Genocide!



Why? Because it isn't happening.



You say its a wrong war. I have to disagree! Like milions of other Americans! Many more disagree! What info was known before his death that made you think this war was genocide?

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#108 Consumer Comment

Republican? or Democrat? not sure which way to go

AUTHOR: Vickie - (U.S.A.)

To Debbie and Loretta,



It doesn't seem to matter anymore what party u are from none of them tell the truth. There is no way they can do anything unless they have the House and the Senate to back them. Most of the politicians tell you what you want to hear not the truth. The ones who truly are making laws and getting them passed are the ones who lobby for their cause. They have the money to pay for the laws they want. THey are the ones who the Politicians have STOCK in. What are we going to do when the price of fuel oil goes up on the farms that use bottled gas?? I talked to one of the workers today when I picked up my tank of propane for my grill[ which went up a dollar from last summer]. He said that it could go up to 7 or 8 bucks a gallon to heat and cook with for the farmers and any one else who lives outside of City limits. It is 1.09 right now which is outrageous! The farmers will have to get paid more money so that they can live on the farm that they are working. They also will have to be able to keep the baby animals warm during the winter! There goes the price of eggs as well. The price of turkey and chicken will go up too. We here in the USA need to find a way to get our acts together when it comes to fuel sorces for heating and cooling and cooking. If those prices go up it won't matter how much gas is for our cars. We won't have to worry about having a car cause we will need to eat and keep warm in the winter. My family is moving to Tucson soon because we cannot take the cold anymore and it looks like it was a good idea to do it sooner rather than later. If the terrorists get to the oil wells and fuel supplies here, or over seas, we might as well pack it in.

I cannot work anymore and neither can my husband. I guess me, my daughter, and my husband will starve. We will have to sell the vehicles we do have because we won't be able to put gas in them. We will have to walk everywhere we go or take public transportation after we get moved. Where we live now I can at least take a wagon and carry groceries home. We won't be able to afford to heat our home this winter tho.

Our SSDI money is enough so that we are not eligible for most Govt. programs so, we are losing everything we have. I think that the business that you work at when you are injured should have to take care of you for the rest of your life if, you can no longer work. They could set you up doing something for them and keep you at least partially employed. No one else wants you when you cannot work at least 40 hours a week and be there everyday. Why should they you are not their responsibility? I have to take breaks every hour and lay down so I do not get a migraine or go into a full back spasam for at least a half an hour. No one will hire me to work for them. If you were paid well and liked your job then you are loyal and hard working. Thats why they should have to take care of you they should return the loyalty. That is not the case tho you have to be nearly totally bed ridden for that to happen. The work comp. laws need to be changed. The Republicans will never allow that. They even took away the over time pay for the Nurses, and Other lower paid managerial jobs and Supervisor jobs that pay less than 25000 a year. BUt they vote themselves in a pay raise and they get paid the rest of their lives! And they get health care the rest of their lives! When it comes to moral issues they should not have to be put into law.



Even, if you could work at home for them doing anything to be paid but, they fire you instead. I applied for SSDI nearly 9 months ago and still have not recieved an answer as to whether the GOvt. "thinks" I am disabled or not, even tho my DOC says I am. They are also only going back so many years to figure my ssdi checks that is not fair I went to school for 5 years and was off work for my injury nearly 2 years before I was fired. I have worked most of my life since I was 15 years old. Just because I went to school I am going to lose out on about 3 to 5 hundred dollars a month. Nobody cares about anything tho till it happens to them or one of their loved ones.

There are alot of things we don't hear about because the GOVT in charge at the time feels it is not neccessary. We had a man die here from west nile virus and no one knows about it except a few family and friends there are still people out there golfing that don't know. We had a wedding and party out there and were informed afterwards by a friend. It would have been nice to have been told so we could have used bug spray at least on the lil ones and the older people. It was an outside wedding in the afternoon. Why put bug spray on mosquitoes don't come out til night right!! WRONG!!! they were thick as theives. This effects your brain. Do you know that if you survive you could spend up to 9 months in the hospital and never be the same?? I didn't and we have been hearing about it for a long time now.

ok, So who do you vote for anyway when it comes to party lines the one for big business or the one for the lil guy. The one for the lil guy believes that he doesn't want to take a stand for or against anything really when, it comes to moral issues. And, the Republican one is out of control. He forgot to ask the people what they wanted to do when it came to going to war did he or didn't he lie to congress? We will never really know for at least 50 years. Or did someone lie to him so that they could get what they wanted? Face it he jumped the gun. Yes, it is wonderful that the Iraqi people are free from a tyrant. But, at what cost? How many of our lives were lost? He don't have to worry about gas and oil he has stock in it. I want someone who is for the lil guy and will state what he believes in and vote that way! I want someone who will spread the wealth around not just to the elite. I want someone who will bring jobs in for our kids and neighbors and friends who need them that pay well. I want to be able to start my own business with out having to worry about losing everything I have left. I don't want to rely on the GOVT for a living but the way things are going I may have to. Sorry if I made errors, I don't have the strength to sit here and correct them. I may have typed them in a hurry to get this done so that I don't have to spend the next two days in bed. Like here and hear and their and there and of course the run on sentencing.
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#109 Consumer Comment

Robert of Dale City is an IDIOT with his head up Bush's Backside!

AUTHOR: Pamela - (U.S.A.)

Who knows? This idiot JUST might be BUSH himself on a rage crusade because there are many out here that refuses to be a brainwashed moren like himself thinking Osama did it "all by himself" and war will "protect the US and prevent recession blah blah blah"!! For him to come on the Rip Off Report to protest a movie just proves that more and more Americans and not buying the Bush BS!!! GOODBYE BUSH!!! NO MORE YEARS!!!!! Let you and WACKO IDIOT ROBERT ROT!!!
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#110 Consumer Comment

"Last-Word-Robert"

AUTHOR: Marilynn - (U.S.A.)

No matter what the subject -- be it a painting, a musical composition, a breed of dog, a politician, a movie, a religion, a syndicated columnist or whatever -- it is evident that Robert is one who is bound and determined to have the last word.



Robert began his political exhortations almost a month ago, before an award winning movie was even released here, to "ward" us all not to see the film.



He further provided us with the names of 13 movie theater chains and 49 e-mail names and addresses (gee, I wonder where he found this information) and strongly urged us to contact these theaters to protest the showing of this yet unreleased film. His ill-disguised claim for his "warning" is that we will be "ripped-off" if we see it.



Ah yes, and then there was the labeling and the name calling of everyone who disagreed with his viewpoints, followed by his denials of ever having expressed himself in that manner.



Mark my words. Messianic Robert, so set on protecting us from political viewpoints other than his own, will respond to this posting with yet more blather and denials.



Robert does not engage in reasoned debate. He just figures he "wins" if he writes the last word.
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#111 Consumer Comment

Most Responses Show Why People Are Ripped Off!

AUTHOR: Robert - (U.S.A.)

Starting with my original complaint and ending with many of the postings that followed are rock soild proof that far too many people lack the ability to use common sense when reading things.

My complaint was simple and to the point.

Most took my complaint to be an attack on their Free Speech!



Suddenly I became A n**i or a Facist!

A Control Freak or whatever!

People! I filed a complaint. One person disagreed very peacefully. He read and understood the report. He didn't see it as a political statement as most of the rest of you did.



This person quietly disagreed with me and stated his views on my report. No insults and no name calling! No personal attacks!



As for many of the rest of you, clearly, you turned my complaint into a format to spew crap!

Sure, you were all exercising your right to Free Speech! But you people missed the point! You attacked and insutled me because you went down another avenue and used this forum to spout your political beliefs and to even insult the President!



Not getting ripped off is more a matter of common sense than it is a college degree!

Using common sense means having the ability to read and understand!



I wrote somethjing very simple and most of you did what seems to be the fashion today, since Michael Moore came to power is attack what you don't like or disagree with any and everyone who doesn't think like you.

And whenever you're challenged, accuse whoever is attacking you or disagreeing with you that they are violating your right to Free Speech!

My complaint was against Michael moore billing his new film as FACTS when anyone who knows anything about any MM project is that it is billed as FACT and after said project is released and for its portrayal of so called MM FACTS, the project then becomes "One Man's Impression or Views"!



MM's book "Stupid White Men" is true. Look at all the White Men supporting him!

A continuing rip off with MM is that all his supporters keep throwing him money. Why?

Do you people need a spokesperson for insulting others. OK here goes!



Bush Lies- Send me $1.00 Bush stole the White House- Send me $1.00 Bush isn't tall- Send me $1.00 Bush colors his hair- Send me $1.00

All Republicans are losers- Send me $1.00 All Republicans Are Wrong- Send me $1.00

None of you would send me any money for insulting. So why pay Michael Moore to do the same.

If you want to be heard, get involved in the political process. Get out and support your favorite party!



As for hiding behind anything Matt, I'll be more than happy to give my permission to the webmaster to release my name, address and phone numbers to you if you allow the same. He can verify your contact information. Mine's already well known.

I'm very open and upfront about who I am and my political views are well known among my friends and others. I am on ten other websites under my real name. Those on these web sites discuss things in rational and sometimes very heated manners online without insulting anyone!

Politics is defined as 10,000,000 million people wanting different things at the same time without fail!For the final time, I wrote a rip off report on MM's new film. Most took it as a political statement which clearly it wasn't.

Matt, check back through the postings you sick little bozo. You started the attacks. Keep up with the mindset you have a you'll be the chiliboy at 7-11 for quite awhile.

Matt, you keep filling MM's pockets and keep attacking people online. All you're doing is making yourself look stupid.

How about everyone that posted here send badbusinessreport.com a donation to help them fight their legal battles.

Getting off the subject of the report, this webiste has helped millions. How? By giving them a solid base of information about who is ripping off who and where.



Nationwide rippoffs have been stopped because early victims posted the rippoff on this website.

I've filed many many reports on this site on numerous subjects. The feedback from said reports has been 99% positive.



These people are helping any and everyone who visits this site.



you've used their forum so how about helping them.

We need them online a hell of a lot more than they need to be online. They could be concerntrating on running a site that brought them in millions as opposed to running a FREE website for any and all to read and file complaints seen worldwide.



Don't just use them. Send some money to help them out.



Matt and Darren. I'm sending them $100.00. How about you two loudmouths?
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#112 Author of original report

Missing the point is what thieves and con men count on

AUTHOR: Robert - (U.S.A.)

I've read and re-read this report and every posting by other people who responded.

I wrote:



Michael Moore, with his colorful version of the TRUTH is at it again.This time with the piece of propoganda called "Fahrenheit 911"!



Here is a list of theatres, call and protest!

Mike is just like these theatres. Thay are trying to make money! Support the local theatres



but not Mike or his garbage!

[I then listed part of the theatres]



There was nothing wrong with this part of the report!

After the list of theatres, I wrote:



This is only a partial list of the theatres planning to show this so called fim.

Now this part is very key! Something all you



arrogant asses who attacked me failed to even read! That part read...

Contact them via email and EXPRESS YOUR OPINIONS!



Now how about that Matt in Vegas, Darren in Wisconsin, Betty in Indy, Eric in Minnesota, Tammy in Iowa,Jeff in Oklahoma,Robin(what was



your point other than to take up space in this report),Yellow in San Francisco,Tom in Connecticut,Debbie in Slidell,!



Not one of you so called "Enlightened" or "Intelligent" people bothered to mention this part! I tell people to contact the theatres via



email and express their opinions! I'm not trying to stop anyone from doing anything! No attempt to subvert anyone's Civil Rights! No name



calling or insults of any kind! But most of you chose to ignore the report and re-act to something that wasn't there!



Most all of you made it political!

Other than to show that those who attacked me don't have the ability to understand even the



simplest statements, I don't know what to think!

I care little if anyone of those responding take offense to what I say here. But the reactions



here prove beyond any doubt that if people used common sense more often, they wouldn't get ripped off so much! These postings prove many



don't have or use common sense. Take offense to whatever you wish to, but you people are the ones posting the attacks. Mine we just to



further prove my points about what can lead to people getting ripped off!

The first posting was Jeff from Oklahoma:



He started off being political and never really waivered from his Nancy Boy liberal ways!

"Now don't say I am a liberal, democrat,



republican or whatever..personally I don't care. I vote when needed and when the times are right. again my right!"



Jeff, not only are you a liberal, but you're a lazy one at that! I vote when needed and when the time is right!



Aren't you full of yourself to think that you know when the time is right to vote so we're all that much better off! Thank you all to hell!



After Matt posted his first reply, I thought that maybe he was an angry teenager! And one who hadn't learned much in school! Clearly Matt



wanted to only strike out and make his political statement! According to my rip-off report, Matt deduced that I am a communist!



Tammy from Lowville, New York has to be the most level headed person I've seen online in all these years. Being perfectly honest, all of us



have just read the posting from a person who can't be snowed by anyone! Thank you for the posting Tammy from Lowville New York!



Darren from Wisconsin then added his idiotic response and called me a Facist! Darren, how about contacting the webmaster?



Betty from Indy was anotehr who didn't address the original report and instead chose to agree with Matt's political thinking. Fine and all



Betty, but try addressing the report you.

Matt's next response only proved just how much of an idiot he is. He said that name calling



lessons my point. You called me a communist in your original reply!

Eric then piped in that because I hadn't seen



the movie how could I judge it! Eric, I haven't seen a lot of things in my life but that doesn't mean I don't know when things are crap or not!



Tammy from Iowa then added probably the dumbest thing I've seen written in a long time. Tammy, clearly you have no idea what you're talking



about. A knee jerk reaction! Grow up! You may still have your eyes and tongue, how about a working brain cell or two!



I posted rebuttals several times re-explaining that my original posting was because of what I thought was a rip-off!



Matt's postings contniued to be attacks against me and what they thought were my political beliefs! His insults were and still are comical!



Then Yellow From California piped in and called me a HATER is the worse way! I think maybe Yellow needs to drop some more acid and talk to



us again in 3 or 4 days! Then Mary from San Francisco added her posting and my point was further proven. Mary, please don't talk about me



needing more education. You didn't even understand what was posted originally so shut that pie hole of your's and join Yellow in Santa



Barbara and drop some acid!As for me asking you to join me in anything, not likely. I put you in the "Ain't enough alcohol in the World" category!



Matt posted a long list of so called facts that he had pulled off his MM website. Before I could reply, Tammy from Lowville New York responded



and completely tore Matt from Vegas' list of accusations to shreds! Matt never did address this. He attacked me throughout his postings!



Tom from Connecticut had to add his brand of America Bashing. Tom, you're nothing but a cowardly little person when you insult the



president with that name! Don't tell me Tom, your public service or helping mankind is telling everyone else they have to do it! Right?



Matt continued his attacks and then others joined in until this report became a forum for others discussing their political views!



For the last time people, I wrote the report because I think MM moive was and is a RIP-OFF!

The reason is that MM always bills his movies as



Fact or Documentary which generally means FACTUAL! Yet after their release and after being proven as False and or Mis-Leading, Michael



Moore then claims they are HIS OPINIONS or HIS THEORIES! If you bill it as FACT and its NOT, then its a RIP-OFF!



How much more simple does something have to be explained?



Considering the numerous lies exposed already in his supposedly factual movie, I'd say that my original report has been proven as TRUE!



And Debbie, it didn't take me GOING to his movie and paying a ticket price to see it!
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#113 Consumer Suggestion

You Made It Political When YOU Told The Liberals To AND I QUOTE Get Their Heads Out Of Their BUTTS

AUTHOR: Vickie - (U.S.A.)

Dear Robert,

I am surprised to see that you watch the media since they are LIBERALS! If everything in Mr Moores' movie is lies then, it will come out in the papers and the news. It just seems awful funny to me that 4 planes were able to be hijacked and one was able to slam into the Pentagon! It has already been proven that IRAN was probably the one that was more helpful than IRAQ was. And, if Bush wanted to avenge the attack on his DAD then he should have at least said the truth or made it a humanitarian relief strike on SUDDAM. He could also have waited until we had at least gotten a better handle on Afghanistan. Yes, it is wonderful that Saddam can no longer kill and terrorize his own people but, at whose expense? The wonderful thing about this country is you can go and make a movie about your own beliefs and if people want to see it they go and you make money they don't go and you don't make money. Why don't you make a movie about what you believe to rebut Mr Moores movie? That or if you don't have the skills hire someone who does? Like I said before by telling the liberals to pull their heads out of their butts and wash them self off you started the derogatory statements. That started it. I am not a liberal and I still took offense at what you stated. I was a democrat but don't like what they have become. I also don't like what the republicans are doing either. Big business is running this country not the President or Congress. Look at what the Govt did to Martha Stewart. Just because she was a successful WOMAN. She didn't care about the measly amount of money she lost it was only 60 grand or so thats pocket change to her. If you get a chance watch what the 700 club had to say about her today. It will be on abc family tonight. They went over the top she could have plead the 5th and they would have been able to do nothing to her it was a civil matter!!! she should have had to pay back any money she made off of the deal and that was all!!!!! They go over the top on some things and when something should be done they can't get their act together!

I agree If the name calling would stop maybe you could get a good debate going on rather or not Mr moore should be allowed to make money on this movie or if the facts are correct! Robert You made this political by using the term liberal to begin with.
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#114 REBUTTAL Individual responds

Another lowlife liberal. You people are like roaches

AUTHOR: Robert - (U.S.A.)

To Matt,

What a lame response. Typical liberal. But it is you liberals, and your buddy as well who are a threat to this Country. Free Speech always. But all people like you do is shout and scream that you want more and the government has to give it to you but you don't want to be taxed or have to defend the Country.

Hey Matt, its called COWARDICE!!!!!!!!!
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#115 REBUTTAL Individual responds

It's still a Ripp Off!

AUTHOR: Robert - (U.S.A.)

Let me say thank you to all who responded and proved that for some reason, people have lost the ability to understand even simple writing. This is where most rippoffs occurr. The cheated party basically has no idea they're being conned!



My complaint and description was accurate and it only said for people to contact the theatres and protest the showing of this movie! That's it.



Yet with the responses posted, you'd have thought I had violated someones rights. The responses show me that there are at least 5 people in this Country who need to step back to say....remedial reading class and bone up a little.



Stupidity is displayed throughout their comments. Although my spelling was lacking at several points, not enough to cloud what I said.



If people read and understand what they're read before they speak or take action, they won't look like fools!



If they apply the same tactic to everyday life, thousands wouldn't get rip-off!



People, reread my original complaint and you'll see your comments were wrong and your arguments had no basis.



But thanks for trying

You all have a MM day!
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#116 Consumer Comment

Now I will go see the movie it's Friday

AUTHOR: Matt - (U.S.A.)

Well Robert again with the insults and you don't know a thing about me. I do know that you are old as dirt and forced into retirement. I can only figure that it is because you could not do your job as good as anyone around you, or because, you got a big mouth that no one wanted to listen to anymore. The poor wife, with Roberts mindset no doubt she has had a black eye or two. I made a couple good points and all you can do is call others and myself names. Let me also assume your to old to know what a spell-checker is.



I will share something with you to provide some ammunition for your insults. My Mother is a City Clerk and Father works for Chrysler Corp. They raised a freethinking adult to see through the bias opinions of our people such as you.



I was trying to hold out and not go the way of the insult but Robert; you have invited me so many times that now I just cannot refuse. In fact it surprises me someone of your age can use the computer, so many do-hickies and all. Robert understandably is just a little embarrassed to ask the doctor for viagra so he had to learn how to use the Internet. That may be why you are so angry is because you the new order is not here yet.



Let us also stick to the Stereotype of the Angry-Old-Republican. I am painting a picture in my head of a wrinkly, old, tooth stained, hands shake so much it is hard to type, and cigarette is hanging out his mouth with ashes falling everywhere. You know with the bragging about yourself you have done I did not hear about Robert being any kind of Veteran. Is that because you're a draft dodger?



You have given your opinions and insulted anyone who wants to voice their own. Robert is unable to have a response without insulting someone, what credibility do you have. What kind of Idiot asks for facts and won't respond to them when they are presented. I'm not even going to try and point out all of your spelling and grammatical errors in all of your posts because that would be a liberal response, right.



Here is some advice for you Robert. Stick to using the Internet for Porn and Viagra, that is why you bought that their computing machine, isn't it? Voicing your opinions just makes you sound ignorant. If I had your address, the kind soul your wife must be would surly get a sympathy card. Don't try to come on this site and match wits with these people, they will bury you so fast your bifocals will fly off your face. Just sit back and let the nice people at Sunrise Senior Living give you the medication needed and relax.



To you sir will be one with Cancer or Heart problems with the stress brought upon yourself as demonstrated with your quick temper.



Debbie and anyone else - this site not only has some scary facts about our President but it does have some fun stuff too, www.ejectbush.com





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#117 Consumer Comment

If anyone is the Arrogant a*s Robert, it's YOU!!!

AUTHOR: Pamela - (U.S.A.)

You can post your psycho babble all you want, but it still won't change their views on their Bush camp and 9/11! You are the one that had the nerve to think that coming on the RIP OFF REPORT about scam businesses to protest a film will have so many on your side! But the reality of the matter is that there are MANY people who refuse to believe that Bush is "innocent" of 9/11! No mater how much you rage ! The film promote FREEDOM of speech and even though some things maybe error! At least he took advantage of what this country stands for and spoke his mind! At least he's one of the types don't refuses to stand by the president's decisions! Keep your head up Bush's butt all you want, but he is GUILTY and will NOT have another 4 years to destroy this country!!!
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#118 Consumer Comment

ALL PLANNED!!!!!! GET BUSH OUT OF OFFICE!!! NO MORE LOSED LIVES TO PAD POCKETS!!!!!!! People k**e Robert makes a FORTUNE from DEATHS!!!!

AUTHOR: Pamela - (U.S.A.)

The determined man at the controls of Flight 175 was now less than one minute from his own demise, and was in that state of heightened alertness that only approaching death can generate.



Ahead, as he hurtled across New York towards Manhattan Island, he could see the vast plume of smoke (1). His colleague in Flight 11, approaching from the opposite direction had already made an almost perfect impact on the North Tower of the World Trade Center.



On the far side of the tower, concealed from his view, was the gash (2) where the hijacked airliner had spread its fuel payload over several floors of the building. Just as the trainers had coached.



But the sight still managed to unnerve him. It was one thing practicing the approach for countless hours on a computer simulator, but this was real life -and no mistake could be made. The planners had insisted that the planes must strike the towers at a banked angle. Otherwise the fire would be confined to only a couple of floors and would not set the building comprehensively alight. Without perfect execution, the imperialists would only suffer minor casualties, he had been told.



What they never told him was that the aircraft impacts were only one half of the plan. One visible and psychologically terrorizing aspect would be provided by the suicidal aircraft. But the other half of the plan was unknown to the two pilots and their accomplices. Bombs had already been planted inside both towers.



They would be detonated after the planes had struck, to ensure the total destruction of the buildings and their evidentiary contents. The bombs inside the towers were strapped to radio-trigger detonators. Other plotters would be near the scene -monitoring TV coverage to determine the right moment to push the final buttons. The full PsyOps (psychological-warfare) effect would be the complete disappearance of these two symbols of US confidence and power.



But if the plane struck at the wrong angle, or even worse -missed altogether, the whole scheme was in danger. Substantial fires were necessary as a cover for the subsequent collapse.
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#119 Consumer Comment

Dale City, Robert...

AUTHOR: Debbie - (U.S.A.)

I am not the person your are addressing. That was someone else but you see your slanted sight and opinions already have you not seeing the forest for the trees. You refuse to allow anyone the same rights that you swear this country gives them. Anyway...



"No one is killing the under-30 group on a daily basis in Iraq!"

Debbie, what you wrote shows me you are closed minded...a liberal or MM fan.



If differing with you makes me a liberal, I will wear the tag proudly. As far as a fan of Mr. Moore, I may be I do not know as of yet. They jury is out on that so to speak but you nor people like you will make me feel less than because you disagree. I do not do well with people who feel it is theeir way or no way. Kind of like Bushy Boy who needed his Bubba to win an election for him. Anyway...



Can you answer a few questions here?



1) How many of OUR children are dying in Iraq daily?

2) How many of them are over 30?



Thank you for sputtering and have a nice day.
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#120 Consumer Comment

insulcult the intelligence

AUTHOR: Loretta - (U.S.A.)

So You just step in and insult my intel.

I made grammer errors. Im stupid so nothing I

say has merit. Or maybe I was in a hurry and not paying attention.



The questions I asked need to be answered.

You don't need to know. You know it all now.



For the record, I COULD NOT CARE LESS IF GAY PEOPLE MARRY.



Well me and my republican educated a*s are off for Ozzfest.



I will not dignify anything else you say with an answer. YOU SAID NOTHING. You Just acted like a s****. /> Does putting others down make you like your

self better?

Don't bother.
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#121 Consumer Comment

War ain't pretty??

AUTHOR: Pamela - (U.S.A.)

We should have nuked Afghanistan, like we did Japan.. They had is coming. Screw the non Taliban casualties-WAR AIN'T PRETTY-WAR AIN'T PRIM AND PROPER-INNOCENT PEOPLE DIE-ASK ANYONE THAT WAS NEAR THOSE TOWERS WHAT WAR IS!!



Well this is easy to say when it is NOT YOU being nuked watching kids screm mercilessly as they watch their loved ones die! Happaned WAY too often from the hands of people like Bush. There could have been alternatives!! Then WHY should Bush "Nuke" Afghan when this whole this was BOGUS from the start??????? bush WILL BE OUT OF OFFICE!!! Get Kerry or someone from the Independent party! NOT Bush!
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#122 REBUTTAL Individual responds

Its A RipOff Report!

AUTHOR: Robert - (U.S.A.)

Pete,

Sorry to make this personal, but your last posting caused this.

Bush is a millionaire. Bush made his money in among other things, OIL!

Look you arrogant little a*s, Bush wasn't playing golf when the WTC were attacked!

Bush was in Florida at an elementary school when he got word! Don't you remember the shot of an agent bending over and whispering to the President?

Since Bush made part of his money in oil, I guess everyone owning oil stock is in league with Osama!

As for jobs going overseas, that's true.

This being Bush's fault is STUPID! Bush didn't take your job or anyone elses and send it overseas!

KODAK and other firms are GUILTY of THIS!!!!!

Not the President!

Maybe the reason jobs are going overseas is that the Unions in this Country are bleeding too many employers dry with constant demands!

Pete, you have your opinions like everyone else.

But you are wrong about President Bush! He is a man of courage, dedication, honesty and he will lead us to vircotry against terrorists worldwide!

Tell you what Pete, if you're so smart and know everything, why don't you go to the Middle East and broker a deal!

Take Babs, MM,Danny, and the rest of your kind over there and see how far you get.

Grow up and join the masses rather than sit back and gripe and complain rather than act!

Life is great if you're out there trying and working.

Stop blaming Bush or someone else you don't like for your problems.

And the truth of the War in Afghanistan and Iraq is that they were both necessary! Afghanistan is now a country that is starting to move forward with a democracy!

The millions of Afghan citizens are happy everyday to wwake up and see U.S. and coalition forces in their country!

The Iragi's thank our troops daily for being there!

MM loves to see people like you react as you do. He knows that people like you mean MONEY to him! And that is what MM is all about!

Hopefully, you'll one day grow up and realize you're WRONG!

And once again Pete, this was a ripoff report!

It wasn't political!

Not meaning to use you as an example:

Pete, this was a ripoff report! I thought then and still do that Michael Moore's movie is a ripoff because it's billed as FACT and all it is is Michael Moore's opinions!
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#123 REBUTTAL Individual responds

The Know It Alls Are Out In Full Force!!!!!!!

AUTHOR: Robert - (U.S.A.)

To Pete and Texino,



I wasn't going to post anything else and was going to let this report die out as it should have long ago!



With all the ideas and everyone having decided what I meant or what my intent was with the report, I sat back and enjoyed the way everyone made it a basis for spewing their hate and Anti American and Anti Bush opinions!



Pete, with what you've posted here, every thought you were having employment problems because you're an a*s?



Stop blaming the President for things YOU'RE EMPLOYER did!



Texino, I'll bet you were impressed by what you wrote here.



As with everyone else, you expressed your opinions. Big deal!



Walk your dog you odd little person and enjoy life in Virginia. It's a nice little place!
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#124 REBUTTAL Individual responds

If you want personal, I'll make it so!

AUTHOR: Robert - (U.S.A.)

Debbie from Slidell,

Your postings have brought a lot of response from people who've read this report and emailed me privately to discuss it.

How is Slidell? In the 80's, I spent a lot of time all over La.

My father had several businesses in La. until his death in 1996!

I've still got several friends in Slidell and other towns and cities. They've emailed me some very interesting emails after reading your posts! Need I go on.

Debbie, what facts are these that would or may have changed your son's mind about the war?

Just like all the postings here, many statements many accusations but no proff.

Unlike most everyone posting here, I used FACTS. Not my personal opinion as you and others have done.

It was all of you that made it political and personal.

I responded in kind!

Debbie, re-read my original posting. I said that MM was ripping off people with his new movie.

You and others made it political.

Now lets get a few FACTS straight Ms. Debbie.

First, I said my 4 brothers and I and my father had served in the military! DO YOU UNDERTSAND THIS?

As for what we all did during the time of our military service, I won't bore you with the details as you'd just call me a liar or something along those lines.

You may have a better time of posting responses if you tried working from FACT and not your political views and opinions.

And yes Debbie, we sold Saddam some WMD's.

But if you check the FACTS Debbie, you'll find that Russia sold him the most.

And you and all the America Hating/ Bush bashing asses can leave if you're not happy.

You and all the MM fans are creating problems left and right. It's those of us in this Vast Right Wing Conspiracy who have to get you people out of trouble.

Did you and the other MM fans ever think that he may be targeting all his supporters and calling them "Stupid White People" instead of Stupid White Men!

One of the people down you way is taking this entire report and taking it to a newspaper down your way to get it published so you can get all the credit you deserve!

So Debbie, how about those facts!

You made it personal.

I enjoy discussing different points of view. I have liberal freinds and some rather radical friends. But I've never insulted a single one of them over anything we've discussed.

The reason for this is that they all have the ability to understand and comprehend what they read!

Debbie, if you want to keep making this persnoal, write back.

One of my firends down that way is a minister.

After reading your postings, it confused him. He would like to talk to you about something very serious that he wouldn't tell me.
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#125 Consumer Comment

oh this is wonderful, Richard I am sickened by the response from your fellow Dale City, Virginia resident.

AUTHOR: Vickie - (U.S.A.)

I cannot believe what I am reading. This was a ripoff report on how Michael Moore is making money off of hard working Americans. Richard I am sickened by the response from your fellow Dale City, Virginia resident. THis was no place to tell us how you partake in the death of innocent lives. Many people are against abortion they just feel it is not a political issue. It is PEOPLE like you that will make it a political issue. What a woman does with her pregnancy is her business and her Makers. She will be the one that will suffer for killing her baby the rest of her life and afterlife. But, you make it sound like you are paying women to have abortions. IF MORE PEOPLE KNEW AND BELIEVED IN THE SCRIPTURE THAT SAYS "MY PEOPLE PERISH FOR LACK OF KNOWLEDGE" Then you would not have a job!!!! I am sure GOD will have you on the top of his list of those who hurt the innocent children. Anyone, who takes advantage of a woman who is at her lowest point in her life and needs to make a decision that will affect her for the rest of her life and gives the advice to kill her baby for research and testing is the lowest of the low. IF YOU ARE PAYING WOMEN TO DO THIS SO THAT YOU CAN GET YOUR TESTING SUBJECTS YOU ARE TEMPTING THEM TO GET PREGNANT ON PURPOSE TO KILL THEIR CHILD JUST SO THAT THEY CAN SURVIVE! THERE ARE PEOPLE IN POOR COUNTRIES WHO SELL THEIR KIDNEYS JUST SO THEY CAN SURVIVE OR PAY FOR AN OPERATION FOR A CHILD or FAMILY MEMBER! (sorry for the runon sentencing I am pissed off) YOU only put that in there to attack Robert for living where he lives and to tell us what you do for a living. By doing so I am sure you have enraged more than one person who was against or for Roberts ripoff report. You Sir, and I use the term lightly, have crossed the line. I don't care what anyone else has to say Robert had the right to express his opinion that MR. Moores' Movie was a ripoff he has a right to his opinion and to express it. I may not agree with what he has to say but, there was no need to attack him and tell us of your despicable profession. People like you who make money off of the poor women you do not deserve to live in our Country. I am appalled that our country would allow idiots like you to even live here. You should be deported just because you exist. Keep killing all the children and noone will have to worry about the future there will not be one. ENJOY your wealth while you can sir because, when it comes time to meet your maker you will more than likely be tortured for all of eternity. I hope it was worth it.

OH and YES there is hidden meanings to the words liberal, democrat, republican, and conservative because of people like you who lobby to be able to do the despicable things you do!!!!!!!! You get what you do put in a bill where you hope no one will see it. There is a problem with our elected officials they seem to forget whom they are working for. Hopefully one day people will wake up and realize that they can make a difference all they have to do is vote for the person who they think is telling the truth!! Not the one who says what he thinks we want to here. Hopefully we can get someone in office who knows enough to stop people like you from doing what you do!!!!!!!!!
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#126 Consumer Suggestion

AND BY THE WAY

AUTHOR: Vickie - (U.S.A.)

Robert,



You did not tell people to call and voice their opinion YOU said and I Quote "Contact these people and protest" That is not asking for opinions that is asking for one sided attacks on the movie. Why should the theatres not show a movie that would be censorship. and I think that the people of the USA can decide what they want to spend their money on or not. I myself don't even go to movies we wait until they come out on video. why spend money at a theatre that is overpriced to begin with a dollar bag of popcorn would almost feed and entire theatre depending on how big it is and they charge 4 bucks a bag here now that is a ripoff.
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#127 Consumer Suggestion

We all have opinions, I don't see the rip-off here

AUTHOR: Jeff - (U.S.A.)

Well Robert thanks to this great country we all can have our opinion and tells stories both fact and fiction. I don't see the rip-off here, but I guess you have a right to say there is one. Now don't say I am a liberal, democrat, republican or whatever.. personally I don't care. I vote when needed, and when the times are right. again my right. Why don't you make a movie to debunk him?. There are many problems wrong in this country and the biggest problem is everyone wants to point why doesn't anyone try to make a difference? well maybe this guy is, who knows it is his choice and ours to decided. The only reason why I am even replying to this is that I am sick of hearing liberal this.. republican that.. ect etc.. they all have good ideas here and there and they ALL screw up here and there.. we are only human
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#128 Consumer Comment

Darren... Keep going and you may get that GED

AUTHOR: Robert - (U.S.A.)

Well another liberal reads. Darren, if you actually knew what you were taling about, you may have potential.



Keep going and you may get that GED.
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#129 Consumer Comment

You might need another nap

AUTHOR: Matt - (U.S.A.)

"As for hiding behind anything Matt, I'll be more than happy to give my permission to the webmaster to release my name, address and phone numbers to you if you allow the same. He can verify your contact information. Mine's already well known."



Hmmm the policy of Rip off report reads...



How secure is my personal information?

VERY. All Rip-Off reports are strictly confidential. We will not sell your e-mail address or any other information that you have given us. We simply use it to identify the complaint. At the most, we may e-mail you if we need additional information on your Rip-Off Report.



I guess someone else does not understand what he reads. To help out all of the people you keep referring to that cannot read or understand what they read, look at yourself buddy. Let me also shed light on Robert's role model and share a quote from the President.



"You teach a child to read, and he or her will be able to pass a literacy test.'' -George W. Bush, Feb. 21, 2001



I still believe your original post was to rally people to protest the movie and pressure theaters to not show it as well. If you were someone that was well known, you possibly could do something about it. That would be on the line of censoring what I am able to see for myself. So instead of assuming everyone except your chosen few are not able to read or understand maybe you should word things a little more clear. Maybe you could even choose another quote from Big Brother George W.



"They misunderestimated me." -George W. Bush, Nov. 2000



I love that one, and it goes along with the same readable quotes Robert has. Let us look at some shall we



Darren, if you actually knew what you were taling about, you may have potential.

I don't even know how tall Darren is.

The responses show me that there are at least 5 people in this Country who need to step back to say....remedial reading class and bone up a little.

Hmmm, as I pointed out he can't even read the policy of the board correctly.

If people read and understand what they're read before they speak or take action, they won't look like fools!

Yep that's right, Robert said that one to. LOL

What separates us, is that I use my intelligence and abilities for positive change and advancement

in this society.

I just had to put on the boots after this one cause it is getting deep.

Now those on this website that know me quite well liked my posting.

Yep, both of them like you.

Add my dad serviing as well and we're not the talk and don't serve class of Americans.

????? No clue on this one.

No one is killing the under-30 group on a daily basis in Iraq!

I am certain 90% if not more of our military fighting out in the field in Iraq is under 30.

Debbie, how many of YOUR children have died in Iraq? None of my children have died in Iraq.

Robert the word children symbolizes the under 30 group, glad to help you on that one.

All the while, not giving their real name! Always instead choosing to remain unknown! Only maybe a first name and city or town.

Again policy, and that is all we know about Robert, Dale City

Unlike most everyone posting here, I used FACTS. Not my personal opinion as you and others have done.

Going to disagree with this one as well.

And yes Debbie, we sold Saddam some WMD's.

But if you check the FACTS Debbie, you'll find that Russia sold him the most.

Ohhhh, OK As long as we didn't sell him the most WMD's.

Bush colors his hair- Send me $1.00

Didn't know he colored his hair.

I am on ten other websites under my real name.

Get a life that is pathetic. And you can tell that to your cyber-friends.

Politics is defined as 10,000,000 million people wanting different things at the same time without fail!

Hate to bore some of you but Robert does need an education.

politics P Pronunciation Key (p l -t ks)

n.

1. (used with a sing. verb)

a. The art or science of government or governing, especially the governing of a political entity, such as a nation, and the administration and control of its internal and external affairs.

b. Political science.

2. (used with a sing. or pl. verb)

a. The activities or affairs engaged in by a government, politician, or political party: All politics is local (Thomas P. O'Neill, Jr.). Politics have appealed to me since I was at Oxford because they are exciting morning, noon, and night (Jeffrey Archer).

b. The methods or tactics involved in managing a state or government: The politics of the former regime were rejected by the new government leadership. If the politics of the conservative government now borders on the repressive, what can be expected when the economy falters?

3. (used with a sing. or pl. verb) Political life: studied law with a view to going into politics; felt that politics was a worthwhile career.

4. (used with a sing. or pl. verb) Intrigue or maneuvering within a political unit or group in order to gain control or power: Partisan politics is often an obstruction to good government. Office politics are often debilitating and counterproductive.

5. (used with a sing. or pl. verb) Political attitudes and positions: His politics on that issue is his own business. Your politics are clearly more liberal than mine.

6. (used with a sing. or pl. verb) The often internally conflicting interrelationships among people in a society.

Hope you have seen the light Robert. No, No don't walk towards the light I'm not done with you.



LOL, you gotta be just dying over in your rocking chair trying to think of an original thought by now. Your cheep-recycled insults are as lame as your crazy shuffle board games.



Just incase you do get board; there is a handle to release the brake on your chair to get you away from the computer for a while. Maybe you just need one of the orderlies to take you for a nice walk outside.
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#130 Consumer Comment

SAW THE FILM

AUTHOR: Geena - (U.S.A.)

First of all, Debbie, I am very sorry for your loss (and for the other losses of lives). Don't be rattled by Robert's shut-up-or-I'll-get-you threats.



I saw the film today, and unlike Robert's insistence that it's all Michael Moore's opinion, I find that it's mostly "previously reported" - as stated in the Boston Globe review previously cited by another poster! Just about all of it has been on the front or back page of newspapers. Moore's tech/art embellishments are nothing more than we've all seen in TV news in this day and time.



From everyone's postings, I send thanks for the 7 notations I made of other sources on the subject. The content and tone of many of the comments fills me with several sentiments:

- I'm glad so many care, pro and con;

- I am reminded that emotion can be blinding;

- It's disturbing that so many people resort to personal attacks against people they know little or nothing about, in an effort to "win" by put-downs or enraging someone, rather than by the weight and validity of their points;

- I had been hoping we as a nation and/or individuals had matured past the point of assuming a person is good or bad, or fits under a label just because they express a particular opinion;

- and, It is the American way to produce media as you wish,advertise for those who may be interested, and seek to make a profit.



As for Robert, the phrase "hit dog will holler" keeps coming to mind! Had I not really wanted to make the aforementioned points, I would not be adding to his jollies from the attention. Whatever he dreams up to say about me will get a laugh rather than a response.



Robert, you should not keep referring to your original post. Many of the responders are reacting to your many other posts!!! AND, all you felt the need to spew out in negativity and below the belt attacks on those who disagree have negated your original message! In effect, you have become a major advertiser of the film, and where to see it.



Seeking TRUTH does not make a person unpatriotic, nor does having an opinion other than the sanctioned or "official" one mean you hate your country. When other nations or peoples do the same thing, we cry foul. How is it that the ideals of America as a place of free speech get trashed in the rush to be heard, or the attempt to override the right of others to think for themselves?... Isn't that what the ballot box is for?



I am less concerned about what already happened than I am about what could continue, or happen next. The 2000 "election" led many states to rush into electronic ballots - and we would all do well to look into reports of potential (repeat -potential) fraud via the new process. Regardless of your party, this could mean trouble, and place democracy into the hands of a few.



Here in Georgia, the party in the Governorship suddenly changed after a solid 100 years of the other party in office with our first electronic election. And the "I Have Voted" stickers were changed to "Georgia Counts" (drawing of animated computer screen in the middle) "I Voted". The news people said this big change was about a flag issue. Grandma said if it looks like a duck, and quacks like a duck, it just might be a duck. I haven't a clue which is correct, but it made me sit up and take notice of all that's going on!



Oh yeah, I "SAW THE FILM", but what I think one way or the other is not the point. I urge you all to see it for yourself. I was NOT ripped off, because I knew what it was about and voluntarily paid to check it out for myself. Consider this - your skin must be pretty thin or your convictions pretty weak if you feel endangered by viewing something you may not agree with. If the way is to attack whatever we don't like we all should be in line to boycott many of the doings of the media, Hollywood, the government, and everybody else.



Just one little thing that makes me go hmmmmmmmm: found out through other public information sources that there's a "World Trade Center" in Houston, Texas that boasts how many embassy-type/major- business/etc. headquarters it has. Makes you think, doesn't it...
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#131 Consumer Comment

First off Tammy,

AUTHOR: Pamela - (U.S.A.)

The roach comment was for the one who replied to people against the war and for the film. But this was is BOGUS! And KOOK Robert is on here ranting about this war being legit and for "National Security" BUSH LET IT HAPPEN!!! It's as simple as that! This Bin Laden/Saddam thing is a JOKE!



I admire people that's willing to take a stand against the issue of sending troops out to die in the name of greed! Then Robert, it's obvious you are not only a KOOK but a RICH ONE at that! Since Bush came into office, WHAT HAPPENED TO JOBS?? ALL DOWN SIZED even before 9/11!!!! HOW can a plane blast the Pentagon???



Anything that fly over it (well hundreds of feet away) will cause an alarm to national security! So HOW could it happen! This was PLANNED from the beginning! Yes Michael has his opinion, but I see it MUST be some truth to it! Otherwise, it wouldn't alarm the ones that want to add SPIN to this BOGUS WAR! Where are the "weapons of mass destruction"???????? WAY TO GO PETE!!! Tell "sheeple Robert" the REAL deal! Maybe he WORKS for the CIA and "almighty Bush" which is why he is so enraged!!!



BreakForNews.com, 24th May, 2004 10aamET

by Fintan Dunne, Editor



The difference between Michael Moore and Alex Jones comes down to this:



Moore profits from 9/11 --with 20/10 hindsight-- after the event. Whereas, Jones predicted 9/11 --on air in July, 2001; made a better movie: '9/11: Road to Tyranny'; and virtually gives it away.



Moore's 'Fahrenheit 911' toys with the idea that 'they' Let It Happen On Purpose[LIHOP]. That's the lame version of reality for the popcorn-brained illiterate left. With backing from the HollyCorp establishment, Moore will now make a bundle.



Jones' '9/11: 'Road To Tyranny' explains how 'they' MADE It Happen On Purpose[MIHOP]. This dangerous notion gets no establishment nod or wink. And Jones is so focused on the message -not the money- that he let's you copy the movie to educate others.



According to the New York Post, Moore has ripped off Jones. So what else is new? "A real documentary by Alex Jones, had most of the "facts" Moore uses in his scatter-shot diatribe," wrote Richard Johnson in the Post's Page Six column.



Moore thought NATO hotshot General Wesley Clarke was coming to save us from the BusheNazis. He promptly endorsed the documented war criminal of Serbia, during Clarke's ill-fated presidential nomination bid.



By comparison, on his web site InfoWars.com, Alex Jones argues that Clarke and a host of other Trilateral-CFR-Bildeberg corporate front men --are but the velvet-clad, acceptable version of the same fascist fist.



Moore plays to the labor union clich: the 'Fat Cats versus the Workers' divide. It's blue collar, class-struggle nostalgia from the last century. Buying into it is about as hard as cheering for your home side at the game. Come tomorrow, you go back to work as usual.



Moore is a quack doctor --tapping at your intellectual knee to get it to react as expected.



For those who don't subscribe to knee-jerk politics, Jones offers a subtler film-noire vision, which will nag away at you and drag you face to face with the grim reality of geopolitical scheming.



The kind of scheming which is happy to see the War Party in the U.S. play 'Bad Cop,' so that the globalist, 'Good Cop' corporate elite can come to riding to our rescue.
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#132 Consumer Comment

Dale City, Robert...

AUTHOR: Debbie - (U.S.A.)

In answer to your question...ONE.



MY only son. He thought he was doing the right thing until he really saw what was going on. Hindsight as they say is always 20/20. Given what he knew just before his death I don't think he would have joined the ranks but you keep condemning those who disagree with you as you are no better than Saddam himself.



Thank you for not disappointing me by not knowing how many young lives have been lost in Iraq. You see, I don't feel that whatever you think the motivation for this "war" is, is an issue. You just use it for your own agenda to be argumentative, and condescending. Again I will ask you the almighty know it all...



1) How many of OUR children are dying in Iraq?

2) How many are over 30 who are dying?



Sounds like a very bad case of genicide to me!
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#133 Consumer Comment

GO TAMMY!

AUTHOR: Tom - (U.S.A.)

I've been following "Dubya" for years, and have read disturbing things about his administration by authors like David Icke. Michael Moore's movie sheds light on the well known facts in an easy-to-digest two hour movie, most don't have the time or patience to plow though a 500 page book. (Check Amazon for David Icke's book on 9/11, two years old now)



Tammy, you really did some homework. My only small disagreement is that the president doesn't spend a dime, Congress does. And they were herded like sheep afraid to dissent against Bush. Friggin' Sheeple. Pussies.
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#134 Author of original report

Oh Well! Honestly, I don't give a d**n what anyone in Europe thinks about our President

AUTHOR: Robert - (U.S.A.)

I hope con men aren't reading this post. Otherwise, they'll be looking to find some of the people who've posted replies. They should be easy pickings with their mindsets as shown by the postings here.



To Marilyn in Mesa, Oh Boy! If Not caring what Europeans or anyone from another Country thinks of our President is "Nationanlistic" so be it!

Honestly, I don't give a d**n what anyone in Europe thinks about our President.".



Before you make any decisions in your life for that of you or your family, do you take a poll in the neighborhood or care what your neighbors think of what you decided for your family?



Of course you don't. If you do, you're a nutcase!

So why would we bring our children up to care what others think of our President?

Everyone around the world can trash us whenever they want and American's are supposed to sit back and take it.



When we are attacked or our citizens are killed around the world, America is supposed to be understanding.



The right approach would have been to give all the Muslim Countries harboring terrorists 2 hours to start giving them up or I would have torched the entire middle east to find all those responsible for 911!



"Apathy" is what led to 911!

We need to tighten, and I do mean tighten our borders!

Mexican President Vincente Fox is pushing to get the U.S. to grant ALL his ILLEGAL Citizens citizenship. All 8 to 10 million of them.



Our schools and services used to help the poor and needy are being destroyed by the flow of illegals. This has to be stopped. Otherwise, this Country will be turned into all the Countries these people are leaving.

Why doesn't Vincente Fox and the other leaders of Mexico stop being so d**n corrupt and start doing for the people.

Why should they? Dump their unwanted on us!

Its got to stop.



To Terry, where have you been boy? Political labels of Liberal and Conserative have been around since long before I was a kid. How old are you.

As for you not judging people, you made the judement in line one and you insulted many posts in line 1.

Mentioning the "Civil War" shows your lack of knowledge for what was being discussed here.

I'll bet you think the Civil War was fought over Slavery!



Now to John-Thanks for the Posting Now that was entertainment. Are you an English teacher? I ask this question as your little lecture was nothing but "Fluff"! If you saw the movie as you claimed and were critical of those you claim hadn't seen it, why didn't you throw out some of the facts he brought out. It was advertised as "The Smoking Gun" on Bush!



John- You don't know crap about George Bush, his family or really, his Presidency!

And what has MM ever been upfront with?

There is a big world out there John. Full of wonder and amazement. Get out of mom and dad's basement and see the world!



Once again people, the ripoff is in paying MM to see the movie.

Plain and simple!
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#135 Consumer Comment

Roaches? stay asleep and believe

AUTHOR: Pamela - (U.S.A.)

is ANYONE is a ROACH then it's people like YOU who wants Americans head in the sand about 9/11 and War in Iraq! You are theh type that wants Americans to stay asleep and believe every word "Almighty" Bush says about this bogus war based on greed as our Troops and Middle East civilians are killed and injured! Go back to slurping hot dogs!
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#136 Consumer Comment

Wow!! captivated reading

AUTHOR: Marilynn - (U.S.A.)

Out of casual curiosity, I clicked on this report.

Wow! I had no idea what I was getting in for and was captivated reading everyone's commentary.



Notwithstanding the frequent absence of critical thinking skills exhibited by some, whatever the chosen topic would be, the lively exchange of thoughts, opinions, assessments, ideas and experiences at least demonstrates that all of you care. Certainly none of you can be accused of being apathetic.



At the risk of being shot down, I'll offer a comment about something stated by Robert.



He opined, "What American parent would care what Europe thought about our President? Not any true American parent."



I think our country is in a world of hurt if that kind of nationalistic attitude is shared by many of our country's citizens. I hope it is not.
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#137 Author of original report

Thanks For The Help, But Against These People, It Isn't Necessary!

AUTHOR: Robert - (U.S.A.)

Tony,

Thanks for your help, but as you can see from the negative posts here, I really don't need any help.



Pamela and Marilynn need to get a does of reality.



Pamela in Atlanta now accuses me of somehow tying this report to my arguing with people here about Bush's innocence!



Marilynn is still using this report as a political forum! Which most of you seem to.



I don't need any help in my battle of wits against many of you as those who are trying to keep this thing going are falling way short of making any reasonable point!



So I told liberals to get their heads out of their butts. And was attacked for it. Now if that isn't a "Knee Jerk Liberal" reaction, I don't know what is!



I didn't start the personal attacks or the name calling.



But all of the critics, or most of them have done nothing but use this report as the means and opportunity to attack what were thought to be my political views!



Not one of you addressed the actual report, you used this as a stage to spew your hate and Anti-American and Anti-Bush views!



Tell you what, why don't all the Anti-Bush and Anti-Americans put your views down on paper, sign your real names, use your real addresses and send the letters to President George W. Bush!



I'll bet none of your critics have bothered to send a donation to the people that run this website.



They're providing a very useful service here.



Instead of merely using the service, why don't you help support them while they're helping you.



Or do you people merely want to USE this site for YOUR own purposes and let someone else foot the bill!
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#138 REBUTTAL Individual responds

Liberals Talk But Never Say Anything

AUTHOR: Robert - (U.S.A.)

To Betty in S.F.,

Other than to try and insult and join the many Bush Bashers, what was your point.

Bush hasn't cut anything from any budget that would effect you. In fact, show me one budget cut that wasn't necessary that effected you.

Get off your high horse and try and realize that people like you are losing the fight.

Most Americans gripe but only the liberals refuse to act.

All I said in the initial report was that I was calling on people to call the theatres and protest the showing of this movie!

What was wrong with that? Nothing!

The fact that I think MM is bilking his followers is simply put, my right to free speech.

Betty, go to MM new movie. From your writing and opinions, you're just the kind of person MM counts on.

Enjoy. Go back 2, 3, or 4 times. As many as you want!

I'll bet you do nothing but to help anyone but your family and yourself.

The rest of your time is spent online.

Right!

I'll bet your education falls somewhere between GED and Political Science Major.

Actaully, maybe I should have said either a GED or Political Science Major!

Now Betty, other than Bash America, name one fact MM has brought out in any of his books, speeches or so called movies!





Bob

Dale City
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#139 Consumer Suggestion

Assigning Titles ...has extremism in any form made our world a better place to live?

AUTHOR: Terry - (U.S.A.)

It's funny, whenever I meet someone who throws out labels on people I tend to think of them as small minded beings that should be ignored. These titles that I am talking about where the usual ones we've all heard, but since 9/11 we've added two more depending on our views of politics, patriotism, etc etc.... I am talking about Liberal and Conservitive depending on which side of a fence you sit on. If you stradle the middle as most of America does, you kind of shake your head and wonder since when did peoples views make them bad people? I was taught that even though someone might pray to a god of a different name, that I should respect their devotion. I was taught that just because someone grew up in a different enviroment than myself I should expect their views to have been shaped and formed differently.



I am not going to judge anyone here, but I do ask that those of you who throw labels on others to remember that since the civil war this country has worked hard to overcome and make progress when it comes to tolerance. Vote, support your favs in the election but remember that last time we had an election there was almost 50% of the country that thought you were wrong no matter how you voted.



One last thing, has extremism in any form, for any reason, even if it's God's word, made our world a better place to live?
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#140 Consumer Comment

Dawn I am sorry for calling you Tammy...

AUTHOR: Debbie - (U.S.A.)

That is a pet peeve of mine and here I go and do it myself. I am sorry that I called you Tammy I at the time of the post was thinking about what Tammy had written.



Please do not feel you need to defend me. Robert from Dale City wants to call people cretins and morons because they disagree with him. I am not the least offended by him because then that would mean I have given him the advantage and that won't happen in this lifetime. He continues to attempt to dig into my life because he wants to find something to try to turn on me.



Although I may take his advice and start eating bon bons and watching the soaps, maybe it will take my mind off reality. I am still very curious as to how he feels he knows so much about this movie since he is not going to spend his money on this "rip-off". Things that make you hummmmmmmmmmmm...



Anyway thank you for the support and again I am sorry that I called you out of your name. Oh and Tammy...you go girl!!!!!
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#141 Consumer Comment

Round and Round

AUTHOR: Matt - (U.S.A.)

I have stayed off this for a little while. You all gotta realize. Robert is a chain-smoking old man. He is slowly killing himself and lives to make others just as misrable as he is.



He claims that his original post is not polital... I think the whole movie is political and the reason he thinks the movie is a rip-off is also political.



Tammy from New York, your comments are sound. I would like to post my many sites I get my info from but they have been edited out but somehow Roberts first post have all the web-addresses needed.



Please realize, Robert is waiting for the e-mails telling him their is a new responce for him to come in and try to have the last insult and get more people in here to disagree with him.



Since this is still ongoing I thought I should shed some light. This is now your chance to again use that witty "Nat" that you coined and don't forget to say something about intellegence and living at home and being a liberial and bla bla bla, you are tired Robert. Your comments and word are played over and over.
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#142 Consumer Comment

Matt could you,

AUTHOR: Debbie - (U.S.A.)

send me a full copy of that article you were quoting from? My email address is:



[DELETED]



Thanks
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#143 REBUTTAL Individual responds

Marilynn in Mesa!!! Clearly, you can't underswtand something very simple!!

AUTHOR: Robert - (U.S.A.)

To Marilynn in Mesa Arizonia!

Usually I wouldn't fool with idiots, but many who have attacked me on this site deserve my attacks!

Marilynn, clearly you don't have the simple intelligence to understand my post.

I didn't give the names and email addresses and tell people to protest.

I told them to call and VOICE THEIR OPINIONS!

You must be too stupid to understand what I actually wrote!



Instead of trying to suppress a persons right to Free Speech, I was trying to get others to use their right to Free Speech!



All I said was for the liberals to get their heads out of their butts!



No insults.



But when lameass know it alls like you try and use my rip-off report to spew your political BS for all to see, you only humiliate yourselves.



Hopefully you're not a teacher where you can try and pollute the young minds out there with your brand of stupidity and hate!



I've sent this 300 people to this site just to read this report.



Please keep posting your rantings here. They are quite amusing.



I didn't start this argument. If you have enough working brain cells to read and understand my original report, you'll see this. But I doubt you can because from what you wrote, you seem like a simpleton!



But write another of you lame responses because you and several others have been an amusing break! And I stand by my original report. Michael Moore billed this as a Documentary with FACTS that would prove the truth about 911!



As usual, anything Michael Moore says is FACT is quickly proven to be anything but that!



But he did write a book for you and others like you.

Its called "Stupid White Men".



Because I personally believe anyone who buys into his brand of crap is STUPID!!!!!!!!!!!!
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#144 Consumer Comment

I have one question for those that saw the movie...

AUTHOR: Tammy - (U.S.A.)

I have not seen the movie yet but I have seen the writeups about it in the Papers. I have one question that I have not been able to find an answer to in the papers, or in the op ed peices or anywhere on the net.



one of the charges against Bush was that he helped members of the Royal family get out of the Country. That is true and there is no doubt about it, but I am wondering which branch of the Royal Saudi family.



You see, the Royal Saudi family is huge and is very divided. There are princes pitted against each other and the current Crown Prince is always under body guard and has to watch his back due to family plots to steal his throne. Usually, there are always threats of coups there. Some have extensive oil holdings. Others do not. Some of these princes are very heavily supporting terroristic groups. Others are not.



I know the press made a big deal about it and that all of the charges that Michael Moore made were basically the same allegations that have been printed in the newspapers and that there was nothing new.



I remember that President Bush was very upfront about getting the Saudis out and the bin Laden family out. This is not news. His reasons was that he was afraid after the 9-11 attack that there might be retaliations against these families. Did Michael Moore happen to mention that in his film? I ask this because Donald Rumsfield had come out and said that was why they were getting the Saudi's out. This topic was covered on the O'Reilly Factor, On Hannity and Colmes, on the Scarborough Country and it has appeared in the Washington Times, the New York Post.



So I am wondering why there is now a sinister connection with it. Why people would be shocked and scared that Bush would allow these people to leave the country, especially if there were no solid evidence linking them to terrorists, and if the mood of the country was such that it would be natural for any president to be concerned about the safety of these people.
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#145 Consumer Comment

About the Roaches comment.

AUTHOR: Tammy - (U.S.A.)

Pamela, I don't think it is necessary to get personal here and imply anyone is brainwashed. The fact is that very few people, especially the Press, really knows what is going on because they don't have access to any or all of the information that we do.



I think that reality for many people is shaped by the news that they read. So I think that guess what. We are all brainwashed in some capacity, even you. You want to believe what you want to believe. How does anyone really know who is asleep and who is awake. Do you trust CNN and the Times more than you trust your own president? If so, why?



If they are capable of running the government and have the solutions, why are they in the press instead of the government? They are in the press, because they know that in this country, the press is more powerful than the government with the average person and they may just be powerhungry. Power can make people addicts and see things the way they want to see things.



I believe that Bush did the right thing. Why? Because I know personally many, many, many soldiers who went to Iraq and who are my neighbors and my friends and they tell me personally how greatful the IRAQIS are. You never hear those stories do you? YOu never hear about the sheer numbers of Iraqi citizens who constantly come up to our soldiers, give them food from their lunch, who say thank you and who kiss their feet.



My husband was also in Desert Storm and when those Iraqi soldiers surrendered in Mass and were sent to the medical stations in mass, my husband met them there. He was a respiratory therapist at the time. Many of these soldiers had been dragged from their families, forced into foxholes with no food, no bedding, no clothing and were told to fight and kill an American or Saddam would kill their families.



My husband treated hundreds of sick, starving, Iraqi men who cried in gratitude for the simple acts of kindness that the American soldiers gave them.



Do you ever hear about this, Pamela? Why not? Maybe CNN and The TImes don't think it is worthwhile to print the gratitude of a freed people. Rather they would focus on the lunatics who would sell their own mothers into slavery all in the name of Islam.



I think I will trust Bush more than I would trust CNN and the NEW YORK TIMES.



Michael Moore's documentary is his own opinion. Anyone can take independent facts and string them together in a different way and call it truth. Just because they do so, doesn't make it reality. Only their version of reality.



Take care
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#146 REBUTTAL Individual responds

Leave It alone Knilja!

AUTHOR: Robert - (U.S.A.)

Knilja from Portland, you just used this space to air your views and to attack me.

Its nice to see that you only seem to see that it was "I" who aired my political views and not anyone else.

Since you preached about the proper use of this space, how much of a donation are you going to send the owners of this website for providing you with a forum to voice your complaints and to check out other complaints?

And Knilja, in case you haven't been paying attention to the news, on all channels and not just Fox, the lies, half truths and twisted around facts about his movie are catching up to Michael Moore.

The latest interview with the pilot who flew the Bin Ladins out of this country just gave an interview totally disputing Moore's claim about their leaving this country.

This movie is supposed to be a Documentary---This means FACTS!!!Actual FACTS , not someones version of the facts with a twist here and a twist there.

Moore is doing to everyone with his movies and books what he claims the government is doing to the little people or the working man.

The longer his movie stays out the more evidence that it is a ripoff.
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#147 UPDATE EX-employee responds

Thank You Robert and Thank You Ripoffreport.com for this venue

AUTHOR: RJ - (U.S.A.)

In "The Daily Mirror," Michael Moore said, "We [Americans] are possibly the dumbest people on the planet---in thrall to conniving, thieving smug [expletives]. We Americans suffer from an enforced ignorance. We don't know about anything that's happening outside our country. Our stupidity is embarrassing."



I guess it is the mission of this pompous, humongous a*s to educate the rest of the world. Anyone who has ever actually worked for this sadistic monster, as I have, knows that he is the master of hyperbole and manipulation. He forces his writers to meet unreasonable demands on a daily basis, foregoing meals and then meet with him to discuss the ideas while he stuffs his foul, odiforous maw.



Anyone who know HIS HIGHNESS will know that his "working-class, average joe everyman" act is just part of his routine. He gets pissed off if Clint Eastwood gets better treatment than him. So stop fighting among yourself people... it just makes Moore happy. Remember, whichever side you are on, he's NOT on your side.



Listen... to get off the ad hominem attack (which could literally fill another whole website) let's address the issues. I am a Democrat and Gay, so I have no axe to grind for Bush... Moore just gets his facts wrong. (Good points about the 2000 election and Florida, but once again, his hyperbole brings into suspect the rest of his points on that issue.)



Richard "the d**k" Clarke, who orchestrated his PR campaign with Moore, is the one who got the Saudi delegation out of the US. It was his office who gave the clearance and not the Bush administration. I would question Clarke further on his connections to the "Royal" family. Clarke was the expert... he had motive and opportunity!



Hell, this is just too easy! I could go on and on about his intellectual dishonesty, but attacking him personally is more fun...



I will add one other juicy tidbit. Moore has always been self-conscious about his appearance and the fact that women found him revolting (men, too, for that matter - speaking personally). Whenever he has had an issue to press he has tried to make it seem altruistic. Like the time he wanted to do away with his high school homecoming dance because HE couldn't get a date, then said that the student funds should be donated to UNICEF.



Hell, he even lost his job at Mother Jones because he was TOOOO radical... imagine that! Just keep telling yourself, "I really don't know this man and how he wants to use me."



Finally, he is the worst dressing fatman with the worst hygiene I have ever encountered. Two thumbs up... his own a*s!!!
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#148 Consumer Comment

From "The Hill" (Congressional Newspaper) Fahrenheit 9/11' ban?

AUTHOR: Robin - (U.S.A.)

This is still America and we are allowed to boycott or endorse anything according to our own views and values.



If people flock to see this, Michael Moore is enriched and will continue to churn out "Moore" of the same.



If people stay away in droves, Mr. Moore will enter a financial wasteland and will perhaps re-think what he is producing.



Just a thought about free enterprise and how it works. This is how consumers "make or break" them, not by fighting each other.



Interesting piece from "The Hill" concerning this movie:



Fahrenheit 9/11' ban?



Ads for Moore's movie could be stopped on July 30

By Alexander Bolton





Michael Moore may be prevented from advertising his controversial new movie, Fahrenheit 9/11, on television or radio after July 30 if the Federal Election Commission (FEC) today accepts the legal advice of its general counsel.



At the same time, a Republican-allied 527 soft-money group is preparing to file a complaint against Moore's film with the FEC for violating campaign-finance law.



In a draft advisory opinion placed on the FEC's agenda for today's meeting, the agency's general counsel states that political documentary filmmakers may not air television or radio ads referring to federal candidates within 30 days of a primary election or 60 days of a general election.



The opinion is generated under the new McCain-Feingold campaign-finance law, which prohibits corporate-funded ads that identify a federal candidate before a primary or general election.



The proscription is broadly defined. Section 100.29 of the federal election regulations defines restricted corporate-funded ads as those that identify a candidate by his name, nickname, photograph or drawing or make it otherwise apparent through an unambiguous reference.



Should the six members of the FEC vote to approve the counsel's opinion, it could put a serious crimp on Moore's promotion efforts. The flavor of the movie was encapsulated by a recent review in The Boston Globe as the case against George W. Bush, a fat compendium of previously reported crimes, errors, sins, and grievances delivered in the director's patented tone of vaudevillian social outrage.



The FEC ruling may also affect promotion of a slew of other upcoming political documentaries and films, such as Uncovered: The Whole Truth About the Iraq War, which opens in August, The Corporation, about democratic institutions being subsumed by the corporate agenda, or Silver City, a recently finished film by John Sayles that criticizes the Bush administration.



Another film, The Hunting of the President, which investigates whether Bill Clinton was the victim of a vast conspiracy, could be subject to regulations if it mentions Bush or members of Congress in its ads.



Since the FEC considers the Republican presidential convention scheduled to begin Aug. 30 a national political primary in which Bush is a candidate, Moore and other politically oriented filmmakers could not air any ad mentioning Bush after July 30.

That could make advertising for the film after July difficult since it is all about the Bush administration and what Moore regards as its mishandling of the war on terrorism and the decision to invade Iraq.



After the convention, ads for political films that mention Bush or any other federal candidate would be subject to the restrictions on all corporate communications within 60 days of the Nov. 2 general election.



Fahrenheit 9/11 opens nationally tomorrow.



The film's distributor, Lions Gate Films, an incorporated organization, would almost certainly pay for its broadcast promotions.



David Bossie, the president of Citizens United, plans to allege that Fahrenheit 9/11 violates federal election law, arguing that Moore has publicly indicated his goal is to impact this election season.



Bossie had planned to file a complaint with the FEC yesterday but postponed action because his lawyers want to review it at the last minute, said Summer Stitz, a spokeswoman for Bossie's group.



I don't think much of Michael Moore or his two-hour political advertisement that's all it is, Bossie said. He uses all of these words to make it look like he makes documentaries, but it's the furthest thing from the truth. Documentaries tend to be fact-based.



Sarah Greenberg, a spokeswoman for Lions Gate Films who is serving as Moore's spokeswoman, did not return a call for comment.



The FEC counsel's draft advisory opinion responded to a request for guidance from David Hardy, a documentary film producer with the Bill of Rights Educational Foundation. Hardy asked whether he could air broadcast ads that refer to congressional officeholders who appear in his documentary.



At issue in the FEC's opinion is whether documentary films qualify for a media exemption, which allows members of the press to discuss political candidates freely in the days before an election.



In its opinion, the general counsel wrote, In McConnell vs. FEC (2003) the [Supreme] Court described the media exemption as narrow' and drew a distinction between corporations that are part of the media industry' as opposed to other corporations that are not involved in the regular business of imparting news to the public.'



The radio and television commercials that you describe in your request would be electioneering communications, the counsel concluded. The proposed commercials would refer to at least one presidential candidate. They would also be publicly distributed because you intend to pay a radio station and perhaps a television station to air or broadcast your commercials. Finally, they would reach 50,000 people within 30 days of a national nominating convention and or the general election.



However, one commissioner, Michael Toner, has a different view of what restrictions may be placed on political films.



I think there's evidence that when Congress created the press exemption they intended for it to cover media in all its forms, said Toner. If a documentary produced by an independent company would be subject to restriction or, equally important, if efforts to promote the documentary would be subject to restriction, I think that is very problematic.



2004 The Hill

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Washington, DC 20005
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#149 Consumer Comment

d**k in Dale City

AUTHOR: Matt - (U.S.A.)

Robert, Dale City



You sir are a complete Idiot Put your bifocals back on that wrinkly old face and read.



I asked what that non-since spewing from those nasty nicotine stained fingers were trying to type.



Military Service, actually Nat, myself and four brothers all proudly served this Country.----this part is understandable



Add my dad serviing as well and we're not the talk and don't serve class of Americans.--- this is some old man gibberish that makes no since.



What a complete crybaby. You have the nerve to ask for people's identity, where the hell is your First and Last name. The site won't let you put your E-mail address or Phone # so just go ahead and I will do the same.



Robert you hypocritical, old, shaking like a leaf in a windstorm, diaper wearing, eating from a straw, waste of space, soon to be eating dirt Jerk. Just take you medication and try to avoid the bedsores.



I can teach this old dog a few tricks in how to insult if that is what you want.
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#150 Consumer Comment

Bush ain't a cowboy-he's a corporate blow boy

AUTHOR: John Kerry - (U.S.A.)

Grab a banjo---doe-c-do; and sing along!!!



By Stephan Smith



Chorus:

You ain't a cowboy because you wear the clothes,

no one here is fooled by what yer up to.

You can't stop this. The harder that you try,

The harder it's gonna roll all over you.



Now buddy 'ro, I wrote down a song for you,

it's gonna get you read right, and awful blue.

Yer gonna trade in your boots for some walkin' shoes when I'm done learnin you how us real cowboys do.



Don't be scared, I ain't even gonna use yer name

when I pick apart your act and bring yer whole life to shame.



You ain't nothin but a oil tycoon.

You ate yer whole life from a silver spoon.

The whole country knows you're an aristocrat goon,

but still you ain't got the sense to know when it's high noon?



Yer daddy bought you a ranch, you thought it was cool.

You drank mint juleps by the swimmin' pool

and flunked school, while the hired hands did all the work.

You carried on and partied like a frat-boy jerk.

Y'see, we rode the herd while you got the free ride.

What yer kind represents makes my poor grandma cry.



Chorus:

You ain't a cowboy because you wear the clothes,

no one here is fooled by what yer up to.

You can't stop this. The harder that you try,

The harder it's gonna roll all over you.



When being a ranger became your wet dream,

the closest you could come was buy a baseball team?



Then they bought you your way in the old Whitewash House, the first cowboy ever that was afraid of a mouse.



You out and bought you a hat and some boots

to add to yer collection of photo-op suits.

And, sure, you looked cute in yer new suit of clothes, but what was that white line going up yer nose?



Why if you so much rode a horse for a half mile ride you'd cry home to mommy about yer little raw hide.



You never were a soldier, but you wore the uniform

to look like you've got the guts to go out in a storm.



Meanwhile our kids go do your dirty work,

while you and your oil buddies get raises and perks.



Still, you don't get why no one heres fooled.

Why, if I said "h*o' the do'," would you get a garden tool?



Chorus:

You ain't a cowboy because you wear the clothes,

no one here is fooled by what yer up to.

You can't stop this. The harder that you try,

The harder it's gonna roll all over you.



Now here's one that'll bring you on down to your knees:

to tell an oilman from a real southerner, please!

All you have to do is put your nose in the breeze.

Only one of em'll make you haul off and sneeze...

The other one'll make you lock your wife and children in the house.



You remember when they flew you out onto that boat

and your PR firm decided to inflate your coat?

I guess that was so you could float. Or by chance,

was that so millions of children would look at your pants?



Now I's tellin ya this cause we all get a wail

when an oilman tells you he swaths and he bails.

But don't look so sad bud, your check's in the mail.



In the meantime, try some vinegar on yer kale.

Now friends, that's all I've come here to say.

I've ridden that hot air Texas tornado away.



Chorus:

You ain't a cowboy because you wear the clothes,

no one here is fooled by what yer up to.

You can't stop this. The harder that you try,

The harder it's gonna roll all over you.



copyright 2004 by Stephan Smith
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#151 Consumer Comment

Just the facts, ma'am- " A maggot that eats off the dead"

AUTHOR: Robin - (U.S.A.)

Since this report started as a commentary about the film and not a political diatribe, just thought I would post this since it directly concerns Mr. Moore and his documentary.



Whatever else the man is, Michael Moore lacks both compassion and ethics.



He is now forever on my personal list of "yellow journalists", never to be taken seriously.

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Airman's funeral used in 'Fahrenheit 9/11'

Family of major livid Michael Moore showed ceremony footage



Posted: July 15, 2004

5:00 p.m. Eastern



2004 WorldNetDaily.com



"A maggot that eats off the dead" that's what the mother of a U.S. Air Force major killed in the Iraq thinks about filmmaker Michael Moore, who used footage from the man's Arlington Cemetery funeral in his anti-Bush movie "Fahrenheit 9/11."



Air Force Maj. Gregory Stone was killed in March 2003 when a grenade was thrown into his tent, allegedly by Sgt. Hasan K. Akbar, who is on trial for murder.



"It's been a big shock, and we are not very happy about it, to say the least," Kandi Gallagher, Stone's aunt and family spokeswoman, told the Washington Times.



"We are furious that Greg was in that casket and cannot defend himself, and my sister, Greg's mother, is just beside herself," Gallagher said. "She is furious. She called [Moore] a 'maggot that eats off the dead.'"



The video footage shows Stone's fiance, Tammie Eslinger, kissing her hand and touching it to his coffin, the Times reported.



Gallagher says the family doesn't know how Moore got the footage, but is considering taking legal action against the director.



"Fahrenheit 9/11" opened June 25 in U.S. theaters and has brought in $80.1 million so far.
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#152 Consumer Comment

Would you please explain TROLL.

AUTHOR: Loretta - (U.S.A.)

Darrin,



Would you please explain TROLL. Is TROLL some big insult people use in WI? When someone cuts you off in traffic do roll down your window and scream TROLL at them? Do you see TROLLS? Lord of the rings wasn't real!!



IT was funny reading your letter filled with trolls. How does one take you seriously when you carry on about college credits. My 15 year old has college cretits. Not from the school of Harry Potter. I have no doubt you could use the money.

My daughter wanted a shirt that said DIVA. I told her if you heve to wear a shirt that says DIVA it's a pretty safe bet that your not one.

If your brains are that superior you would not have to slam someone who went to the trouble to get a GED.



Your response drips with contempt and snobery.

One thing life has taught me is: IF YOU TRUELY

HAVE THE CAPACITY TO BELEIVE YOU ARE SUPERIOR TO OTHERS THEN YOU ALSO HAVE IT IN YOU TO BELEIVE OTHERS ARE SUPERIOR TO YOU !!!



I know several people with college educations and very little common sence.



If you are liberal wear it like a badge. If your not then it does not apply to you.



I dont care if people think I'm some right wing bible thumping conservative. I have my own thoughts that are pretty far from towing the party line.
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#153 Consumer Comment

There are so many factual errors in Michael Moore's movie

AUTHOR: Tammy - (U.S.A.)

Thanks for the info...Protesting movies is not cencorship. Censorship is when a person tells you that you cannot read certain books or watch certain movies and actively keeps you from seeing or watching those movies. Other forms of censorship, the right to protest a movie or book or product, the right not to write or produce a movie, a book, or a product and the right not to watch it is not against the first amendment but is encouraged in the market place for free ideas.



There are so many factual errors in Michael Moore's movie, that the only censorship that I see in this is the fact that they actually had the nerve to call it a documentary rather than what it is/ a reality/fake comedy of errors.



THe fact that Michael Moore sat on evidence of prisoner abuse (sexual and physical) until his movie came out is proof that he is not really all that ethical anyways. He did it because he did not want to hurt his movie. He was hoping to be the first to break the scandal and when he wasn't, he is now claiming that he didn't do it because he thought it would taint his movie and that people would think that he was doing it to promote his movie. Bull! If he had the truth, he had the obligation to report it period regardless of whether it was to hurt his movie or whether people think he was a scheister for trying to promote his books.



I have news for Michael Moore. I know no one who thinks that he is not about bashing America any way he can. I don't know of any one who really takes him seriously as a documentarian and filmmaker except Hollywood (the heart of Fantasy Land).
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#154 Consumer Comment

Debbie one more thing.

AUTHOR: Loretta - (U.S.A.)

You really Don't think it's anyones business how Kerry feels about abortion? You think I'm ignorant? He says he thinks it's wrong, Do it anyway. He is saying clearly it's wrong but I don't care.

I bet you care what Bush thinks of abortion.

What he thinks won't change a thing. That ship has sailed. It's not comming back. Bush thinks it's wrong period. Not it's wrong do it anyway.



One DUI several years ago excludes him from morality?

Now lets drag his kids into it. Are thay too void of morality?

Have you met any of them?

What kind of person would do that? Oh you would!

I guess thats what smart people do when not correcting others in an attempt to belittle them.



And, no I have not met the celebs.I asked about, however they have been out spoken and using fame

and the press to speak about politics.

Im allowed to answer them & your allowed to listen,ignore or curse.

Your also allowed to belittle the person who's opinion you don't like. You should read what you write. It's narrow, unenlightened and mean.

I thought republicans were supposed to fall into that category.

Your supposed to just feel sorry for me because Im so dumb.



Just because a person feels without right v's wrong anything go's does not make you a bible toating freak.

Dems & reps need each other to keep each other from going off the deep end in any direction.

Gays married OK

Abortion Sometimes

Death penalty leaning towards no



I beleive I represent a good portion of my party.

Were not all a bunch of Bo-Honks playing cowboy.



Oh Yea, Guy who wrote that song. You could have likley posted it without the copyright. I doubt people of any party are tripping over themselves to get it and sing it. Good luck with that.
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#155 Consumer Comment

Bush is a liar and a cheat.

AUTHOR: Ralph Nader - (U.S.A.)

Hey Rob Job:



I know you have this "fanny love" for Georgie Bush; sorry Dicks his gay lover.



Bush is a liar and a cheat.



He loves companies going overseas and taking our jobs there because those same companies fund his re-election.



The fact that you are a brain dead/brain washed right wing moron, was amusing for a while-the fun is wearing thin.



Do you know where Republicans sprouted from??



Down south--->Slave country.





They were the rich slave owners, looking for cheap labor.



Those rich bastards are playing the same game, only the color of the slaves have changed.





If you make less then the cost of living, your a slave.



The cost of living in NY is $20 an hour. Unless your Daddy was an oil tycoon, you have to work two crappy jobs(if you can find them)just to make enough to drive back and forth to those two dead end jobs.



G.W. is a silver spoon dolt. His two daughters are drunk sluts, and his brother is a criminal for rigging the election.



You should see all the drug addict losers in the Bush family. They make the Osbournes look like "The Brady Bunch".



Robert; I'm glad the nurse at your mental ward let's you play on her computer. If you quit spitting out your medication into your milkshake, you would realize what an jackass you sound like.



The more you talk-the more ammo we have to rip on you. With every word that rolls off your fingertips, that's three times the verbal spankings your stupid A** is going to get.



Give it up Bob. Go back to the general population and watch "The Price Is Right".. Better yet, FOX News is on. I'm sure they will tell you how great your President is, and what a great job he is doing for us..



To everyone else with a brain, let's ignore this report from now on. It just gives "Bob the nut job" his jollies for the day. Any attention he gets, gives him a big old wood-dro. He does not deserve our attention. He is a sick man, and he needs to go back to the rubber room he escaped from.



AMEN!!
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#156 REBUTTAL Individual responds

You're The Idiot Pamela from Atlanta!!!!!!!!!

AUTHOR: Robert - (U.S.A.)

For someone who is supposedly intelligent, you don't seem to have the intelligence needed to undertand what was a simple Rip-Off Report!

There were two who responded who realized this.

Idiots like you took this to be political.

This proves to me that you are a "Michael Mooreian".

This is a new term dedicated to Michael Moore..

I'll bet you sit around all day in your house/apartment!



If you do work, I'm sure you have a job befitting the intelligence you showed here.

This was not a political complaint!

You and others took it this way and have proved to me that you just don't the intelligence to understand simple statements.

I suggest some night classes! Maybe get that GED!

But don't come to this website and gripe at me about your idiotic political views!



I wrote a rip-off report!

MM billed his film as Documentary!

Documentary usually means FACTS!

MM 911 is just like BFC!

Keep supporting him. This is also how you show your intelligence!

MM leads his followers around like they are brainless zombies.



Clearly Pamela from Atlanta, you qualify!
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#157 Consumer Suggestion

Dale City Robert....

AUTHOR: Debbie - (U.S.A.)

There is only one word to discribe you....

LOSER.



I guess you think that throwing around your S%#t will impress or frighten me. Get over yourself. Also tell your minister friend that I do not deal well with "plastic people".



"All around you see God's plastic people, all dressed up playing church. They hide behind their robes and their stained glass windows, they don't know, they can't see...reality"



Sorry daydreaming there. If you are wondering that is a verse from Reba Rambo, a gospel singer in the 70's. Wouldn't want you to stress about words or anything



You are nothing more than a bag of wind and then you think you can either impress or scare someone with..what you percieve as name dropping I guess. Neither worked.



So since you called me out, I will follow through. This report will be forwarded to the owner of this site. It will show that Number 1: you used this site for your own agenda and there never was a rip off here. AND



Number 2: you baited a bunch into an agruement so you could fill-up your pitiful day. I am one of them...Happy reading you poor poor man
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#158 Consumer Comment

I Saw The Film

AUTHOR: Wendy - (U.S.A.)

I am a young, well-read and well-educated female who happens to dislike Bush's policies in general. I saw this film and I am not saying that everything in the film is correct and factual, but I have been quite surprised that no governmental representative has put forth any information indicating that Michael Moore's assertations are inaccurate. Furthermore, I do believe that our country's children, many of whom are barely out of high school, are dying for no real purpose. My problem with Bush is that he stated that we were attacking Iraq in response to terrorism. Yet, it is well known that the hijackers were primarily from Saudi Arabia....not to say that there are no terrorists in Iraq because that is ridiculous. However, Bush's ties to Saudi Arabia have precluded any real action on that front. The "war on terrorism" has done very little but kill thousands of innocent Iraqis and many of our own people. There are other ways to wage a defense on terrorism and I don't feel that keeping our troops in Iraq is one of them. With the Patriot Act being enacted and the subsequent holding of THOUSANDS of innocent people in our country, accused of terrorism, taken away from their families for long periods of time with no contact with lawyers, their families or anyone else, how is this productive. The government is secretly holding hearings against these unrepresented people....some are citizens of this country and some are not, yet of these thousands held and "tried" without due process, mind you, it has only resulted in approximately five people being charged, a few had charges dropped all together and one was actually convicted. If you have not heard of Mr. Arar, a Canadian citizen who flew into this country on business and was held by the United States government on suspected terrorism (proved to be false) and sent to Syria for torture for one year despite being a Canadian citizen, please read about it. It is these individual instances which really get me to question the policies of our leaders. The Constitution of the United States is really being broken apart and I think that should be a concern for all of us.
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#159 Author of original report

To Pete and Vickie! Why are you two continuing to make this political????

AUTHOR: Robert - (U.S.A.)

Vickie and Pete,



For the last time people, my original post was my complaint that Michael Moore was billing his movie as FACT when it wasn't!



Read what I wrote. I then listed the theatres and told people to call and voice their "OPINIONS"!



How is telling someone to voice their opinions trying to prevent a person from exercising their right to Free Speech?



If you want to read and actually understand my postings and then discuss them, fine!



But don't read part of what I originally wrote and then try and judge me on what you think I wrote!



Pete, its a shame that you blame the woes of the business world on the Government!



Or especially President Bush!



You didn't understand what I first wrote so its no use trying to disucss anything with you because mine was a rip-off report and you tried to turn it into a forum where you could preech your brand of politics!



And I stand by my original ripoff report about this film. Now with all the other news sources blasting most of all of the film, MM's credibility is more than a little shaken.



And from what I've seen first hand, there are people coming out of the theatres laughing at this movie or cussing it!



Stop making this ppolitical and don't any of you try and preach to me!



Keep your political views for political forums!



But keep supporting this site!
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#160 Consumer Suggestion

Where are you getting your facts, Ralph?

AUTHOR: Aaron - (U.S.A.)

The very first person ever elected president as a republican was Abraham Lincoln. He was from Illinois and not the South in case you didn't know. Did they not teach you U.S History in school because you rode the short bus or what?

The first segregation laws enacted were in New York city and not the South. What the hell is wrong with you? You don't even know the history of your own state. General Grant kept slaves until the civil war was over. He was a Union man not confederate. General Sherman, another unionist, was actually this country's very first war criminal for firing on civilians. Get your facts right ya fool!



The party that you are thinking of (if your actually capable of thought) is the Dixiecrat party. They wanted to keep the old South ways and at times I can't say that i don't agree with them to some extent. Not slavery or racism of course, but definitely agriculture.



Is this the type of history being spued in the big apple? You absolutely make no sense at all. The republicans were the ones who pushed most of the civil rights issues through. If you'll only research this then you'll know what I'm saying.



Furthermore, anybody who would use that many underlying homosexual insults obviously is in denial about their own sexuality. I'm not saying that you're q***r, but I bet you've had one in your mouth before... you probably have one in your big New York mouth right now... that's why you get so worked up over George Bush. You just wish you were Laura, right? Did you learn this stuff in prison or what? What was your b***h name in prison? Of course they show FOX news. They're being rehabilitated.



How can you possibly make fun of homosexuals and then turn right around blast someone for being a racist? Are you lost? Did the medication run out or are just another moronic Yankee in need of an education? I don't like New Yorkers or Pole-Smokers. That makes you a double minority in my book ya d**n wind-bag.



Hey Robert..... I can't beleive that some of you are calling the police on one another. If you're going to be where Debbie lives then do something or shut the f**k-up, It has been my experience that people who threaten others or call the police in such matters are simply chicken-s**t cowards. Beware of the man who doesn't threaten others. If you have the balls to come to Townsend, TN, look me up, threaten me. Everybody will know who you're talking about. Why don't you come to my hometown chickenshit. Hell if you want, Robert, call the police on me. Then I'll know who you are and we'll just meet somewhere. I can't believe you guys.....SHAME, SHAME, SHAME...........



How could anybody put any stock in what M.M. has to say any ways? he looks like the owl in the tootsie lollipop commercials..." how many licks does it take to get to the center?" Maybe he should be saying, "How many licks does it take to get Robert to fire one off!" He likes those Homosexual Jokes ya know! God forbid you step on minority toes around him though. What a Freak!
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#161 Consumer Suggestion

So Many Missed The Point!

AUTHOR: Tony - (U.S.A.)

I have been reading this report since it was posted and find it to be one of the most interesting reports I've ever read.



Robert, I have to give credit to you for being so paitient with many of those responding! How could so mnay supposed intelligent people(just ask a few of them and they'll tell you)not see that this report was simple!



Robert gave a list of theatres and said call and protest!



Good statement! It gives the reader the chance to make up their own mind and decide for themselves. They can either support Robert's position or Michael Moore's!



This is Robert voicing his "Right To Free Speech" and he's is telling any and everyone to voice "Their Right To Free Speech" to the theatres as well!



So why did any of his attackers have a problem with that statement?



The answer "You all just wanted a reason to attack his position, which does seem to be that Robert thinks Michael Moore's movies and other works are "Rip-Off's"!



Period! This is why several of you attacked him for being a "Communists" "Facists" "Hater"(my persnoal favorite!



With his attackers, it seem that Michael Moore and anyone who attacked Robert is allowed the so called "Free Speech" all of you talked about Robert trying to "take Away" or "prevent" all of you and Michael Moore from exercising!



Yet all his attackers were basically telling him "That his trying to exercising his right to "Free Speech" was somehow wrong!



He then listed the email addresses and told people to contact the theatres and "Voice their opinions"!



Again, Robert is telling people to exercise their right to "Free Speech"!



His attackers have displayed their lack of intelligence for all to see.



I think using this report, one could easily show that one of the biggest problems with people today is that either they don't pay attention to what they read or they don't understand what they read!



Either one of these errors in life can mean you get ripped off!
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#162 Consumer Comment

How to check out such allegations on Bush and other stories...

AUTHOR: Janet - (U.S.A.)

I scan and sometimes read the top rip off reports for the day whenever I come onto this site. Got involved in reading this one and all of the posts.



I don't have a comment about the movie, but Matt's allegations about Bush (and no,I am NOT a Bush supporter at all nor am I for Kerry) interested me and so, I wanted to check them out for myself. A very good website to check out allegations and just basic stories is at [DELETED] (all one word here, but this website won't post it as such).



If you type in President Bush in the inquiry section, Matt's allegations about Bush appear under article #38. All of these statements cannot be proven true nor false, but are listed as Varied. Check it out! I won't be posting again, but just wanted to let others know that they can check out rumors, articles, and stuff that floats around on the internet.
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#163 Consumer Suggestion

Dear John-a respone to another brain washed, spoon fed lemming...

AUTHOR: Pete - (U.S.A.)

Ok John, listen up.



George Bush is a oil tycoon. FACT!!!





George Bush #1& 2 has ties with OSMA's family! FACT!!



Bush(and possibly Reagan.. I was too young then to remember-old timers-fill me in and back me up!!??) #1 sent money and weapons over to Osama, when they were fighting Russia! We knew they were killers and scumbags then. It all went down because Osama had the $$$!!



If you still have a job John, good for you. Don't thank Bush for it. The rest of the country is watching their jobs go to China, Mexico, and whatever other slave labor country Bush is getting kickbacks to send them to. His oil money keeps flowing, whether you have a job or not. Wake up you lemmings.



As for the whole "Iraq war is just" crap:

f Bush was so intent on keeping us safe, why was he scuba diving and doing 18 holes with Arnold Palmer, while his buddy Osama handed out the airline tickets??



When the towers dropped, why didn't we just nuke that place, turn the sand to glass, so George could use our tax money to pay Cheneys buddies to drill for the oil?? It would be easier! Because Bush wants another place for his corporate bed fellows to send our jobs!! Do the research. See how many companies are setting up shop over there..





We should have nuked Afghanistan, like we did Japan.. They had is coming. Screw the non Taliban casualties-WAR AIN'T PRETTY-WAR AIN'T PRIM AND PROPER-INNOCENT PEOPLE DIE-ASK ANYONE THAT WAS NEAR THOSE TOWERS WHAT WAR IS!!



Why does our country educate people that come "straight off the boat" before someone like you and I(TAXPAYER AND PROVE AMERICANS)have a chance to be educated??



I worked at Kodak, and it made me sick; all the people straight from India, Pakistan, Iraq, that came over on a work visa-GOT TO GO TO THE BEST COLLEGE IN ROCHESTER FOR FREE-then were hired on as a Kodak worker-all thanks to Bush and his system that gives non Americans privileges his own people don't "Qualify" for.



It's time to realize that Bush is another Hitler. At least Hitler got the German economy going.
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#164 Consumer Suggestion

Matt - Las Vegas, Nevada-you taught me more of the truth

AUTHOR: Pete - (U.S.A.)

Thanks Matt:



I knew Bush was a crook, moron, and a rich p***k that loes the oils prices to go up; due to the fact that he and his father are "The Texas Hillbillys".



Yet, you laid out many facts that I was not aware of.



You have more Bush bombs then Letterman has Courtney Love rants!!



All Dave had is a "Top TEn List"!! Your a Zen Master at throwing pie in the faces of brainwashed morons!!
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#165 Consumer Comment

The way Robert sees things

AUTHOR: Vickie - (U.S.A.)

For the last time. It seems that Robert thinks that only liberals would go and see Mr. Moores film. He was asking liberals to call and protest the showing of the film and to voice their opinions. The only problem with this is that when you tell someone to get their head out of their butt they are not going to respond with kindness.



They are also not going to do as you ask. Robert, had you left out the part about the liberals I don't believe anyone would have responded. I also believe that if the movie itself was not politically motivated then you would not have even asked people to protest. Making the whole thing political anyway since the film IS POLITICALLY motivated.



The only thing that gets me is as soon as you were called on it all you wanted to say was that you attacked noone. We all can obviously read or we would not be here. You voiced your opinion but asked for a political fight when you made it political by being rude to liberals. It is also a political film. To say we made it political is obsurd.



By asking people to boycott or contact a theatre to ask them not to show a film, you are asking us to not let this man voice his opinion. Lots of theatres in this area decided not to show the film they felt it was unpatriotic along with other reasons. The theatres can decide for themself how they want to make their money.



Once we decide to not show a political view we are then going to be denied both sides to any view point. This is what makes our country so great. We are allowed to voice our opinions and view points. And not get onesided stories.

Maybe some of what Mr Moore said is not true but when did the truth come out?



Most of it came out during the 911 hearings obviously too late to change the film so, he ran with it. Newspapers already in print also make mistakes. Look what happened most recently, the papers named the wrong running mate for Senator Kerry. Sources do not always have the correct information.



Now we can all research to see what was true and what was not or President Bush can respond with the truth during his numerous stops across the country while he is campaigning. as far as telling us to leave the country robert you are going a lil bit over the top aren't you? Do you want a country that doesn't let people voice their opinions?



Then this country would be just like the rest of them and there would be no freedom. We would all be brainwashed into believing anything we were told. The govt. could dump toxic waste into your back yard and tell you it was fertilizer and you would have no sources to rebutt it.



Just let the theatres decide to show or not show and let people view or not view the truth usually comes out in the wash.
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#166 Consumer Suggestion

Robert - Dale City, Virginia--->This is my last stance on the topic.

AUTHOR: Pete - (U.S.A.)

Look Rob; Bush- 1, Regan, Clinton, and this Bush- 2 moron passed laws that allowed our jobs to go overseas. They enacted TAX BREAKS to corporations that send jobs overseas. They offer GRANTS to corporations that send jobs overseas.



You blame UNIONS for "Bleeding" the poor millionaires dry!! Robert, I'm sorry if you had to buckle down and buy the "Middle of the line" caviar, due to the fact that a UNION made you pay your workers a living wage. Do you realize $20 per hour is the cost of living here?? And why is that?



TAXES - TAXES - GAS PRICES - etc.



And it's funny; all those product that are being made for pennies in slave labor plants overseas

still cost the same>>> HMMMMMM.... A FUJI toss away camera costs $5, and a slave labor Kodak camera is $9-10?



Why is that??





Because Dan Carp makes over 10 million a year! The head at Fuji gets paid far less. The balance of money is shared. The men at the top of the food chain never want to take a pay cut. Their idea is to cut the worker ants out of the equation, so they can give themselves a raise.



The UNIONS were what gave the common man rights and a living wage. Now the government has been paid off to swing the power back to the fat cats.



That is the bottom line..



And Robert---> I am doing something about it. I voted for Nader last time. As much as I would like to see drugs legal, and a heavy tax put on them, NAFTA abolished, and our jobs coming back---I will vote for Kerry. He is the lesser of two evils.



I have a friend thats in the Marines. North Korea is more of a threat then Iraq. Kim Jon Il HAS NUCLEAR WEAPONS! He has been picking fights with Japan and South Korea just about every day, since the Afghan war started. It's not in our newspapers because Bush has the power to keep is out of the news. He wants the focus on his special interest--IRAQ--Afghanistan--OIL$$$--GREED!! North Korea is led by a man that is more dangerous right now then Saddam - Or BIN HIDING. You can think what you want. N.Korea has missiles pointed at Japan & S.Korea as we speak.



I have know my friend for over 10 years, he would not make up stories.



So Robert; do you work at Enron, Kodak-or-Halbutrin??
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#167 Author of original report

Now This Is Getting Entertaining!!!

AUTHOR: Robert - (U.S.A.)

I have enjoyed the attacks from the many...people who have responded!



You've proven that in your eyes, you and anyone who agrees with you can say or do anything you please and its only your right to Free Speech!

But when it comes to someone who disagrees with you, they don't have the same rights!



The first attack against my posting called me a Communists. This lameass didn't even address my complaint other than to make it political!



Matt is Vegas is one of the prime reasons this country is in trouble. All complaints and NO action!



Matt continued to insult everything about me when in fact, he knows nothing about me. He continued his insults only because he was protected by his computer.



Matt never once addressed anything other than his own political rantings!



Tammy from Lowville New York is one of the few people that answered this report that showed any common sense and showed an enormous amount of intelligence in her responses!



Then came Darren from Neenah Wisconsin who called me a Facists!



Betty from Indy agreed with Matt in Vegas!



Matt then tried to act halfway intelligent and failed.



Tammy from Marshalltown Iwoa then posted "I still have my eyes and my tongue! Other than to add something totally meaningless to this report, what was her point?



Once again people, I wrote in the original report:



Michael Moore, with his colorful version of what he calls the TRUTH is at it again. This time with the piece of propoganda called "Fahrenheit 9/11"!

Here is a list of theatres that intend to show this trash!

Contact these people and protest!

Mike is just like these theatres. They are trying to make money! Support your local theatre but not Mike or his garbage!

(I then listed the theatres with email addresses and phone numbers!



I then typed:



This is only a partial list of the theatres planning to show this so called film.

Contact them via email and express your opinions!



Don't let these people win.

Although Michael Moore claims to be one of us hard working Americans and one who is trying to protect us, it all comes down to money!

Michael Moore has gotten rich off of half truths, speculation and outright lies.

Michael Moore cares about money and how fast he can get it!

Wake up America and open your eyes.

To liberals I say, get your heads out of your butts and take in some fresh air. Clear your head and then you'll see what Michael Moore is all about!



With the bad joke about liberals, there wasn't anything about this report that was insulting in any way!



I tried to make this clear whne on June 23, 2004, I posted an update to which more attacks came!



I responded with name calling when attacked and insulted those who tried to insult me.



My attackers NEVER tried to deal with my ripoff report except to voice their political views and to spew their hate towards America and President George Bush!



To me, if you bill a movie as a "Documentary", you have to have things like FACTS!



Not facts turned around, edited and reworded so that the truth is no where to be found! This isn't a documentary!



And if it isn't factual it isn't a Documentary and therefore is misrepresented and therefore it is a FRAUD!!!!!!!!!!!!



How is my stating that MM's movie is a ripoff an attack against MM's right to Free Speech and not simply my voicing my right to Free Speech?



Geena from Atlanta, how does the politics in Ga. changing after 100 have anything to do with my report?

The answer, it doesn't. You just wanted to mouth off some more.



As for what you know about Texas, there are many office buildings throughout Texas that have more than your little mind could understand or comprehend!



And what does a World Trade Center type building in Texas that wasn't hit have anything to do with my report?



Again, not one thing!



Geena,as for a name, a name in Texas that fits you is VVOB!



You all have a right fine day now!



I 'll bet you believe in the VAST RIGHT WING CONSPIRACY? Well I'm a member and proud of it.
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#168 Author of original report

It was a Rip-Off Report you MORON!

AUTHOR: Robert - (U.S.A.)

To Pamela in Atlanta,



If all you got out of this report was to Bash President Buch and to rant on about your beliefs, then you are a MORON!



Plus, you have proven to me that you know nothing about this government or the war!



So you have a Michael Moore day and leave protecting this Country to the real Americans!



Once again Pamela, this was a rip-off report. If you want to blast the President or this Country, you'll find plenty of the same on other websites.



This website is dedicated to helping people protect themselves against getting ripped off!



Is this too easy a concept for you to grasp!



Pamela, how about you get out and make a positive contribution to society!



And if you use this site, how about showing your support and making a donation to help them out!



They help everyone who logs onto this site.



Instead of merely voicing your right to Free Speech, how about helping the owners of this site out with a donation.



They're honest people who ARE MAKING a positive difference on this society and they're not demanding a thing!



Name another site like this!
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#169 Author of original report

Wrong name, same inane chatter!

AUTHOR: Robert - (U.S.A.)

Whether you or any other MM fan or Bush hater have the brain power to understand, is that the days of fighting terrorists the liberal way is over.



It was the liberal mindset, the let everyone do whatever they want to, led us ALL to 911!

Its cons like MM's films, books and speeches that are supposed to contain facts that after released, suddenly the works of facts are supposed to make us think. Mention of facts suddenly disappear! A con is a con is a con!



Debbie, how many of YOUR children have died in Iraq? None of my children have died in Iraq.

The men and women that have died in Iraq have been members of our armed forces. Proudly serving our Nation, protecting all of our Nation, even those with dissenting opinions!



They're even protecting the loud mouths and doom sayers. Look at history. We've been around the shortest amount of time and have done more than any country in the history of the world.

Some other Country gets in trouble, they don't call Iraq! They call the U.S.



And guess what Debbie from Slidell, in 100 years, George Bush will be lauded as a great President.

Michael Moore and all his legions of idiot supporters will be nothing. Not even a footnote!

Now how's that for power little lady?



Get ripped off and see his movies, buy his books and listen to his speeches. Debbie, what do you do everyday but eat bon bons and watch soaps?
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#170 Consumer Comment

First of all Pamela, you really, really don't beleive that Bush let it happen, that Bush somehow planned this

AUTHOR: Tammy - (U.S.A.)

Ok Pamela, after reading your post, I have to shake my head in wonder and amazement. I hope you really, really don't beleive that Bush let it happen, that Bush somehow planned this. I hope you really don't believe in that garbage, those conspiracy theories. Do you believe the aliens landed in Roswell too?



I am not one for conspiracy theories. I have had enough of them. There are tons of conspiracy theories. The FBI secretly had JFK killed. The government is hiding aliens at secret facilities. David Koresch is really alive and the FBI implanted a clone to fake his death. The illuminati is the secret world government that is designed to lead the US into one world government. Kerry is helping Bush win the presidency becuase they really want Mrs. Clinton to be President in 2008 where she will surrender national sovereignty of the US to the UN World Counsel. Elvis is really an alien.



Come on. Do you see how incredibly ridiculous your assertions are. THere is only one problem? Where is the proof? If Bush actually conspired with the terrorists to have our country bombed so he can go wage war on Bin Laden and Saddam Hussein in Iraq and that they are really helping him, do you really think that the justice department would help them.



If this is such a credible theory, then I have to ask you one question. What in the world could Osama Bin Laden and Saddam Hussein gain by aiding the President so he can go to war? Osama has lost 80 percent of his command structure. Saddam has lost his country. What in the world could they possibly gain to aid Bush? You see, in order for conspiracy theories to be plausible, both parties must have a significant benefit to gain in terms of power, wealth and stature. If one person stands to win all, then the other side has no incentive to play the game.



You see, I believe that Bush was not expecting the attacks when they did. He had only been in office for about eight months. He knew Osama was a danger. He had the intelligent reports. He knew he would strike but didn't know when. I think that Osama planned the strike when he did because he considered Bush weak and ineffectual. He didn't think that Bush could get the support of the UN like his father did with Saddam. ANd he didn't think that Bush would go it alone which his father, Bush Sr. would not do. And Bush had not had time to get our security in place because he was new on the job.



That is what I believe. Why? THere is no evidence to prove otherwise. Anyone can take a string of events, string them together and suggest all kinds of things.



There are several points that Michael got wrong in his dissertation. There is no direct evidence that Bush is friends with Osama. He was a former business partner of Osama's brother, Salem bin Laden. They owned a small oil company together in the 80s. It failed and was bought out by Harken Energy Company. Bush's only connection to oil is that he holds stock in an oil companies, and he is not even a majority stockholder.



Sorry hon. The evidence is not there and I don't go for conspiracies.



Take care.
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#171 Consumer Comment

Pete...What facts???? ...the number of US military killed under the age of 30 in Iraq is high because the majority of members in the services are under the age of 30.

AUTHOR: John - (U.S.A.)

I have read all the posts to this particular topic. I have not seen this movie and have no intention of doing so. That is my choice and right. I personally don't care for Michael Moore's opinions and won't pay to hear them. On the other hand, I won't stop or try to talk anyone else from making the choice to see the movie; that's their right.



One post that did get my attention was from Pete.



"I knew Bush was a crook, moron, and a rich p***k that loes the oils prices to go up; due to the fact that he and his father are "The Texas Hillbillys".



Yet, you laid out many facts that I was not aware of."



What facts did Matt from Vegas lay out??? One line comments with nothing to back them up does not make them facts. I think Tammy did a great job of debunking most of them and applaud the effort she put into her post. From what I have seen on the news, in the papers and know of our government I am confident that Tammy has supplied factual information for most of Matt's arguements. I cannot verify all she posted, so I can't state that everything she reports is true.



One last thing. I'm pretty sure the reason the number of US military killed under the age of 30 in Iraq is high because the majority of members in the services are under the age of 30. Most are kids out of high school who enlisted for 4 to 6 years. How do I support this? I have been an active member of the military now for 20+ years and can see it first hand.
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#172 Consumer Comment

Robert knows the "Truth"

AUTHOR: Matt - (U.S.A.)

Robert, let us quote you a bit to let you know that I do understand what you wrote.



"Michael Moore, with his colorful version of WHAT he calls the TRUTH is at it again."



"To liberals I say, get your head out of your butts and take in some fresh air."



"Another lowlife liberal. You people are like roaches"



"But all people like you do is shout and scream that you want more and the government has to give it to you but you don't want to be taxed or have to defend the Country."



"I'll bet Matt and his supporters also are mad because of the embarrassment caused to the poor Iraqis prisonoers."



"Stupidity is displayed throughout their comments. Although my spelling was lacking at several points, not enough to cloud what I said."



"If people read and understand what they're read before they speak or take action, they won't look like fools!"



"Your lame attempt at answering my factual response only solidifies my belief of just what your IQ is!"



"Forget understanding anything, attack anyone who disagrees with you in any way shap or form."







Now as I look over this array of well educated statements from you it puts you in the same light as MM. You are full of asumptions and insults. Why would you put yourself in the position of painting such a hatfull, ignorant portrait. Robert may say to re-read his post but I got the cliff notes version for you right here.



I could have so much fun with almost everyone of these statements, you make it so easy. I will simply just make my point.



I may not agree with MM but he does make the most entertaining documentaries and I will see this one. It will make me laugh and think.
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#173 Consumer Comment

Robert, ???????

AUTHOR: Loretta - (U.S.A.)

Michael Moore is a very high profile Hollywood/political/liberal figure. You ended your "REPORT" by telling liberals to pull thier heads out of their butts.

It never occured to you that just maybe your"REPORT"may spark debate?

I did not look MM up on a search engin. I was checking on a company I do business with and wound up here.

As for this turning into a chat line< I believe if you go count the rebuttals you will see you clearly come off as the big winner.

I find political debates frustrating. Sometimes things seem so clear to ones own self that it is hard to understand why everyone else can't see it too.

I am a big GW Bush fan.

I doubt W would approve of you telling people that don't agree with you that their is a bounty on their personal info. If it's true I strongly urge you to make it right.

Debbi and some others annoyed me too.

They are people with children & grand children. Does she and others have to look over their shoulders because they argued points or called you names?

Maybe I'm not Republican enough for you. Do I need to lock up my kids or fear for my life???

I go to church. We are told that rather than judge let your life teach by example.



It's a big wide web out there. This kind of garbage gets people hurt or worse. Do some or all of us deserve to be hurt or worse because we dared to disagree with you???

For gods sake do you really think that if Bush read your last posting he would be gratefull for your support.

AGAIN, IF THIS IS TRUE I STRONGLY URGE YOU TO MAKE IT RIGHT.

This is not cool. This is not how a Republican would handle opposition.

Loretta
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#174 Consumer Comment

I still have my eyes and my tongue.

AUTHOR: Tammy - (U.S.A.)

I personally don't agree with every single thing Michael Moore says, but I will say this~



I consider myself fortunate enough to live in a place where if I want to see his maniacal documentary, I won't come home to vigilantes who then gouge my eyes out with a spork for seeing it or cut the tongue right out of my head for speaking out about it.
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#175 Consumer Comment

Strange, the movie hasn't even been released yet...

AUTHOR: Eric - (U.S.A.)

The author seems so sure about what is wrong with this movie, but he fails to mention how he has even seen it. It will not be released until June 25, 2004. The author's post is dated June 21. This is, in all likelihood, an attempt to discredit the movie by someone who has read that it is likely to harm the reputation of George Bush. Silly.
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#176 Consumer Comment

Strange, the movie hasn't even been released yet...

AUTHOR: Eric - (U.S.A.)

The author seems so sure about what is wrong with this movie, but he fails to mention how he has even seen it. It will not be released until June 25, 2004. The author's post is dated June 21. This is, in all likelihood, an attempt to discredit the movie by someone who has read that it is likely to harm the reputation of George Bush. Silly.
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#177 Consumer Comment

Strange, the movie hasn't even been released yet...

AUTHOR: Eric - (U.S.A.)

The author seems so sure about what is wrong with this movie, but he fails to mention how he has even seen it. It will not be released until June 25, 2004. The author's post is dated June 21. This is, in all likelihood, an attempt to discredit the movie by someone who has read that it is likely to harm the reputation of George Bush. Silly.
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#178 Consumer Comment

Strange, the movie hasn't even been released yet...

AUTHOR: Eric - (U.S.A.)

The author seems so sure about what is wrong with this movie, but he fails to mention how he has even seen it. It will not be released until June 25, 2004. The author's post is dated June 21. This is, in all likelihood, an attempt to discredit the movie by someone who has read that it is likely to harm the reputation of George Bush. Silly.
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#179 REBUTTAL Individual responds

Where are your facts Debbie?

AUTHOR: Robert - (U.S.A.)

No one is killing the under-30 group on a daily basis in Iraq!

Debbie, what you wrote shows me you are closed minded...a liberal or MM fan.



One last time. MM has always painted his brand of rhetoric as the "Truth". He is supposed to know the inside on George Bush and all that goes on in the White House and the Government!

If he is so enlightened, how come you liberals haven't tried to get him elected?

If he knows the "Truth" why is he only using the "Truth" to line his pockets from supporters like you.



The Truth is, you know nothing about George Bush or have the slightest idea what goes on in Washington D.C..

All that comes out of your mouth are words written by someone else!

If you know so d**n much, why don't you jump right up and start doing the MM thing. Yell and scream until someone throws you a quarter to shut you up. Then you're on your way!



Nat from Vegas yelled, screamed insulted and threw out a lot of bogus statements!

When challenged, Nat has sort of disappeared.

I think the ripoff occurrs when someone pays any amount of money to read his books, see his movies or listen to his speeches.



Does it have to be any clearer.

As for trying or using AOL! NO way! The bozos still owe me for 1 month of service. I cancelled AOL because things were fine as long as we stayed on AOL. The minute we left AOL we'd have problems.

But you go right ahead. I do voice my opinions on various websites under the name mmooreisapig

mooresapig and several other anti Michael Moore names.



I was actaully banned from two sites for using a name they say is insulting to MM.

So much for his supporters following the whole Freedom of Speech thing.

I'm sorry, I guess since I'm a anti-MM person, Freedom of Speech doesn't apply!



And finally, if George Bush isn't your President and you are so unhappy with the U.S., why don't you take your American Hating a*s and leave?
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#180 REBUTTAL Individual responds

Where are your facts Debbie?

AUTHOR: Robert - (U.S.A.)

No one is killing the under-30 group on a daily basis in Iraq!

Debbie, what you wrote shows me you are closed minded...a liberal or MM fan.



One last time. MM has always painted his brand of rhetoric as the "Truth". He is supposed to know the inside on George Bush and all that goes on in the White House and the Government!

If he is so enlightened, how come you liberals haven't tried to get him elected?

If he knows the "Truth" why is he only using the "Truth" to line his pockets from supporters like you.



The Truth is, you know nothing about George Bush or have the slightest idea what goes on in Washington D.C..

All that comes out of your mouth are words written by someone else!

If you know so d**n much, why don't you jump right up and start doing the MM thing. Yell and scream until someone throws you a quarter to shut you up. Then you're on your way!



Nat from Vegas yelled, screamed insulted and threw out a lot of bogus statements!

When challenged, Nat has sort of disappeared.

I think the ripoff occurrs when someone pays any amount of money to read his books, see his movies or listen to his speeches.



Does it have to be any clearer.

As for trying or using AOL! NO way! The bozos still owe me for 1 month of service. I cancelled AOL because things were fine as long as we stayed on AOL. The minute we left AOL we'd have problems.

But you go right ahead. I do voice my opinions on various websites under the name mmooreisapig

mooresapig and several other anti Michael Moore names.



I was actaully banned from two sites for using a name they say is insulting to MM.

So much for his supporters following the whole Freedom of Speech thing.

I'm sorry, I guess since I'm a anti-MM person, Freedom of Speech doesn't apply!



And finally, if George Bush isn't your President and you are so unhappy with the U.S., why don't you take your American Hating a*s and leave?
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#181 REBUTTAL Individual responds

Where are your facts Debbie?

AUTHOR: Robert - (U.S.A.)

No one is killing the under-30 group on a daily basis in Iraq!

Debbie, what you wrote shows me you are closed minded...a liberal or MM fan.



One last time. MM has always painted his brand of rhetoric as the "Truth". He is supposed to know the inside on George Bush and all that goes on in the White House and the Government!

If he is so enlightened, how come you liberals haven't tried to get him elected?

If he knows the "Truth" why is he only using the "Truth" to line his pockets from supporters like you.



The Truth is, you know nothing about George Bush or have the slightest idea what goes on in Washington D.C..

All that comes out of your mouth are words written by someone else!

If you know so d**n much, why don't you jump right up and start doing the MM thing. Yell and scream until someone throws you a quarter to shut you up. Then you're on your way!



Nat from Vegas yelled, screamed insulted and threw out a lot of bogus statements!

When challenged, Nat has sort of disappeared.

I think the ripoff occurrs when someone pays any amount of money to read his books, see his movies or listen to his speeches.



Does it have to be any clearer.

As for trying or using AOL! NO way! The bozos still owe me for 1 month of service. I cancelled AOL because things were fine as long as we stayed on AOL. The minute we left AOL we'd have problems.

But you go right ahead. I do voice my opinions on various websites under the name mmooreisapig

mooresapig and several other anti Michael Moore names.



I was actaully banned from two sites for using a name they say is insulting to MM.

So much for his supporters following the whole Freedom of Speech thing.

I'm sorry, I guess since I'm a anti-MM person, Freedom of Speech doesn't apply!



And finally, if George Bush isn't your President and you are so unhappy with the U.S., why don't you take your American Hating a*s and leave?
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#182 REBUTTAL Individual responds

Where are your facts Debbie?

AUTHOR: Robert - (U.S.A.)

No one is killing the under-30 group on a daily basis in Iraq!

Debbie, what you wrote shows me you are closed minded...a liberal or MM fan.



One last time. MM has always painted his brand of rhetoric as the "Truth". He is supposed to know the inside on George Bush and all that goes on in the White House and the Government!

If he is so enlightened, how come you liberals haven't tried to get him elected?

If he knows the "Truth" why is he only using the "Truth" to line his pockets from supporters like you.



The Truth is, you know nothing about George Bush or have the slightest idea what goes on in Washington D.C..

All that comes out of your mouth are words written by someone else!

If you know so d**n much, why don't you jump right up and start doing the MM thing. Yell and scream until someone throws you a quarter to shut you up. Then you're on your way!



Nat from Vegas yelled, screamed insulted and threw out a lot of bogus statements!

When challenged, Nat has sort of disappeared.

I think the ripoff occurrs when someone pays any amount of money to read his books, see his movies or listen to his speeches.



Does it have to be any clearer.

As for trying or using AOL! NO way! The bozos still owe me for 1 month of service. I cancelled AOL because things were fine as long as we stayed on AOL. The minute we left AOL we'd have problems.

But you go right ahead. I do voice my opinions on various websites under the name mmooreisapig

mooresapig and several other anti Michael Moore names.



I was actaully banned from two sites for using a name they say is insulting to MM.

So much for his supporters following the whole Freedom of Speech thing.

I'm sorry, I guess since I'm a anti-MM person, Freedom of Speech doesn't apply!



And finally, if George Bush isn't your President and you are so unhappy with the U.S., why don't you take your American Hating a*s and leave?
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#183 Consumer Comment

But have you even seen the movie?

AUTHOR: Eric - (U.S.A.)

Robert:

I just don't see how it is you have all these opinions and judgments about the movie when though you haven't even seen it!



Reading the talking points from your local conservative weblogger does not count!



I will see this movie, when it is released on Friday, June 25, 2004.
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#184 Consumer Comment

But have you even seen the movie?

AUTHOR: Eric - (U.S.A.)

Robert:

I just don't see how it is you have all these opinions and judgments about the movie when though you haven't even seen it!



Reading the talking points from your local conservative weblogger does not count!



I will see this movie, when it is released on Friday, June 25, 2004.
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#185 Consumer Comment

But have you even seen the movie?

AUTHOR: Eric - (U.S.A.)

Robert:

I just don't see how it is you have all these opinions and judgments about the movie when though you haven't even seen it!



Reading the talking points from your local conservative weblogger does not count!



I will see this movie, when it is released on Friday, June 25, 2004.
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#186 Consumer Comment

But have you even seen the movie?

AUTHOR: Eric - (U.S.A.)

Robert:

I just don't see how it is you have all these opinions and judgments about the movie when though you haven't even seen it!



Reading the talking points from your local conservative weblogger does not count!



I will see this movie, when it is released on Friday, June 25, 2004.
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#187 Consumer Comment

It's clear to see that

AUTHOR: Pamela - (U.S.A.)

Robert is very mentally UNSTABLE!! He comes on the rip off report in the hopes to protest a MOVIE, then resorts in name calling if anyone dares to disagree! I agre with the other poster who says this wacko would be liks Saddam and have people killed if you darew disagree with him!! Well Robert, live in PSYCHOVILLE all you want! There is nothing you can do to prevent Americans to know that DUMBYA IS a MURDERER!!! I wouldn't be surprised if a disturbed kook like you is happy for 9/11 so you can get financial benefits!!
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#188 Consumer Suggestion

A suggestion for the author

AUTHOR: Jeff - (U.S.A.)

Robert, I don't know if I am one of those 5 people, but you didn't say much of anything except call the theaters. Why don't you give some supporting instances to make me change my mind? As you said..



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"Michael Moore, with his colorful version of WHAT he calls the TRUTH is at it again. This time with the piece of propoganda called "Fahrenheit 9/11"!

Here is a list of the following theatres that intend to show this trash!



Contact these people and protest.

Mike is just like these theatres. They are trying to make money!Support the local theatres but not Mike or his garbage!"



"Don't let these people win.

Although Michael Moore claims to be one of us hard working Americans and one who is trying to protect us, it all comes down to money.

Michael Moore has gotten rich off of half trusts, speculation and outright lies.



Michael Moore cares about money and how fast he can get it.



Wake Up America and open your eyes.

To liberals I say, get your head out of your butts and take in some fresh air. Clear your head and then you'll see what Michael Moore is all about!"



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I guess I will have to pay to go see what this is all about because you sure didn't tell me.. so like I stated in my first post? where is the rip-off? you sure didn't tell me. you know the truth? spell it out for us!! I didn't bash you or anyone else. So why don't you offer some level-headed advice instead of trying to prove who is right of wrong here.
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#189 Consumer Suggestion

A suggestion for the author

AUTHOR: Jeff - (U.S.A.)

Robert, I don't know if I am one of those 5 people, but you didn't say much of anything except call the theaters. Why don't you give some supporting instances to make me change my mind? As you said..



****

"Michael Moore, with his colorful version of WHAT he calls the TRUTH is at it again. This time with the piece of propoganda called "Fahrenheit 9/11"!

Here is a list of the following theatres that intend to show this trash!



Contact these people and protest.

Mike is just like these theatres. They are trying to make money!Support the local theatres but not Mike or his garbage!"



"Don't let these people win.

Although Michael Moore claims to be one of us hard working Americans and one who is trying to protect us, it all comes down to money.

Michael Moore has gotten rich off of half trusts, speculation and outright lies.



Michael Moore cares about money and how fast he can get it.



Wake Up America and open your eyes.

To liberals I say, get your head out of your butts and take in some fresh air. Clear your head and then you'll see what Michael Moore is all about!"



****

I guess I will have to pay to go see what this is all about because you sure didn't tell me.. so like I stated in my first post? where is the rip-off? you sure didn't tell me. you know the truth? spell it out for us!! I didn't bash you or anyone else. So why don't you offer some level-headed advice instead of trying to prove who is right of wrong here.
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#190 Consumer Suggestion

A suggestion for the author

AUTHOR: Jeff - (U.S.A.)

Robert, I don't know if I am one of those 5 people, but you didn't say much of anything except call the theaters. Why don't you give some supporting instances to make me change my mind? As you said..



****

"Michael Moore, with his colorful version of WHAT he calls the TRUTH is at it again. This time with the piece of propoganda called "Fahrenheit 9/11"!

Here is a list of the following theatres that intend to show this trash!



Contact these people and protest.

Mike is just like these theatres. They are trying to make money!Support the local theatres but not Mike or his garbage!"



"Don't let these people win.

Although Michael Moore claims to be one of us hard working Americans and one who is trying to protect us, it all comes down to money.

Michael Moore has gotten rich off of half trusts, speculation and outright lies.



Michael Moore cares about money and how fast he can get it.



Wake Up America and open your eyes.

To liberals I say, get your head out of your butts and take in some fresh air. Clear your head and then you'll see what Michael Moore is all about!"



****

I guess I will have to pay to go see what this is all about because you sure didn't tell me.. so like I stated in my first post? where is the rip-off? you sure didn't tell me. you know the truth? spell it out for us!! I didn't bash you or anyone else. So why don't you offer some level-headed advice instead of trying to prove who is right of wrong here.
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#191 Consumer Suggestion

Geena, RE: Port of Houston

AUTHOR: Debbie - (U.S.A.)

My husband works on the Houston Channel. Right there at the port AND the WORLD TRADE CENTER BUILDING. It makes sense what you are saying and almost feasible. Many horrible chemicals are brokered in that building daily and there at the port is where you will find the barges full of them being pushed.



The only way Osama could hurt us nationally was monetarily. This he did. I understand there were many lives lost and more being lost daily because of the Bush malicia. The point is IF Osama wanted to say take out Bushes home state he could have by attacking the Houston World Trade Center. The family has a very large portion of the holding on that property but that is another ripoff.



Anyway I find it amazing that after all the death that occurred in NY that there is any building in any state that would be named that. I don;t want to hear the arguement it was that name before 911. I grew up in Chicago and the Civic Center was renamed for a dead mayor. His son is now in that office as we speak. So it could be done.
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#192 Consumer Suggestion

Geena, RE: Port of Houston

AUTHOR: Debbie - (U.S.A.)

My husband works on the Houston Channel. Right there at the port AND the WORLD TRADE CENTER BUILDING. It makes sense what you are saying and almost feasible. Many horrible chemicals are brokered in that building daily and there at the port is where you will find the barges full of them being pushed.



The only way Osama could hurt us nationally was monetarily. This he did. I understand there were many lives lost and more being lost daily because of the Bush malicia. The point is IF Osama wanted to say take out Bushes home state he could have by attacking the Houston World Trade Center. The family has a very large portion of the holding on that property but that is another ripoff.



Anyway I find it amazing that after all the death that occurred in NY that there is any building in any state that would be named that. I don;t want to hear the arguement it was that name before 911. I grew up in Chicago and the Civic Center was renamed for a dead mayor. His son is now in that office as we speak. So it could be done.
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#193 Consumer Suggestion

Geena, RE: Port of Houston

AUTHOR: Debbie - (U.S.A.)

My husband works on the Houston Channel. Right there at the port AND the WORLD TRADE CENTER BUILDING. It makes sense what you are saying and almost feasible. Many horrible chemicals are brokered in that building daily and there at the port is where you will find the barges full of them being pushed.



The only way Osama could hurt us nationally was monetarily. This he did. I understand there were many lives lost and more being lost daily because of the Bush malicia. The point is IF Osama wanted to say take out Bushes home state he could have by attacking the Houston World Trade Center. The family has a very large portion of the holding on that property but that is another ripoff.



Anyway I find it amazing that after all the death that occurred in NY that there is any building in any state that would be named that. I don;t want to hear the arguement it was that name before 911. I grew up in Chicago and the Civic Center was renamed for a dead mayor. His son is now in that office as we speak. So it could be done.
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#194 Consumer Comment

Dale City Robert...

AUTHOR: Debbie - (U.S.A.)

I have not attacked you and I think I resent being thrown in that category. I do believe you were the one that came out swinging. You started this "report" by name calling and throwing about "your" opinions based on non-information, as you have/had not seen this movie as of yet.



How can you expect to be taken seriously when that is how you operate? I will discuss the sky being green and the grass blue if you are willing to discuss this.



When you reduce yourself to having to be offensive, then you minimize your point, and your credibility. I have asked Matt (not Nat)for the website where he got the facts/fiction that he was quoteing. He obliged and I have taken the time to investigate this site and found it to be quite informative.



As I stated in a previous post I will be going to see this film. I decided to wait for a friend to be able to attend also, as she and I tend to have differing opinions about almost everything and thought this film would be a good basis for discussion. I guess the key word in this whole laong post is "DISCUSSION".
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#195 Consumer Comment

Dale City Robert...

AUTHOR: Debbie - (U.S.A.)

I have not attacked you and I think I resent being thrown in that category. I do believe you were the one that came out swinging. You started this "report" by name calling and throwing about "your" opinions based on non-information, as you have/had not seen this movie as of yet.



How can you expect to be taken seriously when that is how you operate? I will discuss the sky being green and the grass blue if you are willing to discuss this.



When you reduce yourself to having to be offensive, then you minimize your point, and your credibility. I have asked Matt (not Nat)for the website where he got the facts/fiction that he was quoteing. He obliged and I have taken the time to investigate this site and found it to be quite informative.



As I stated in a previous post I will be going to see this film. I decided to wait for a friend to be able to attend also, as she and I tend to have differing opinions about almost everything and thought this film would be a good basis for discussion. I guess the key word in this whole laong post is "DISCUSSION".
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#196 Consumer Comment

Probably more like Facism

AUTHOR: Darren - (U.S.A.)

Matt,

I would probably attribute Robert to the Facist school rather than the communist.



A basic rule of thumb is that the liberal is considered a communist and a conservative would be a Facist.



Same goals but from different ends of the spectrum.
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#197 Consumer Comment

Hi Marilyn

AUTHOR: Tammy - (U.S.A.)

I think I am the one who mentioned the connection about Bin Laden. I do remember those pieces about Bush getting the Bin Laden's out and the Saudi Royal's out. The press was accusing Bush of favoritism.



However those newspapers and that information has later been proven to be wrong. This happened at the 9-11 commission when Richard Clark, the ex-security officer and advisor admitted that it was his office that arranged for the Bin Ladens and the Saudi family to leave the country after 9-11 and that BUSH had nothing to do with it. This is public testimony at the 9-11 Commission hearings.



The reason that Mr. Clark gave for his decision was that he was concerned that these people would be victims of retaliation from Americans following the 9-11 attack. Thank God that Americans did not retaliate individually. Although many have said hateful things to the Arabs among us, none have taken their lives which is what our administration was afraid of. That isthe reason that Richard Clark gave to the commission.



So the idea that Bush's administration was playing favoritism has since been proven false by the 9-11 testimony of Richard Clark.



You see much of the information in Michael Moore's movie are those old rehashed accusations that have been since refuted and have put to rest. His movie does not address new issues. It is the rehash of all the old tripe that has been in the news and in the op ed peices since this war has been on.



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#198 REBUTTAL Individual responds

This was only a Rip-Off Report!

AUTHOR: Robert - (U.S.A.)

With my last posting, I thought that the fight started by some replying to this post would end. Although some of you have had fun insulting and



Bush Bashing, the point of my report was still my trying to expose what I think is a RIP-OFF!

When I saw a reply to the original posting, I



thought the battle with either Matt or Debbie was still on.Then I checked a saw Pete from Rochester New York had added some words of wisom!



Pete, if all you got from this report was supposedly finding out FACTS about BUSH, you are a MORON!



Please, Stop eating paint chips with lead in them.



This was a Rip-Off report Pete. I explained and re-explained that I thought the Rip-Off was in Michael Moore passing his movie off as FACT when



it wasn't!

You are an idiot! To post what you did shows that you are a Michael Mooreian! This is a



person that says whatever comes to mind and whatever you say becomes FACTS!

A Michael Mooreian believes that anyone that



disagrees with them are somehow depriving them of their Civil Rights.

Pete, read what is WRITTEN!



Understand what is WRITTEN!

Think before you act and you won't get ripped off!
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#199 Consumer Comment

To Robert of Dale City, Virginia who started the name calling???

AUTHOR: Vickie - (U.S.A.)

I came to this site to check on a company that is handling my husbands and my invention. This is not where your debate should be. It is too bad that this is not posted somewhere else so that others could voice their opinions and those more involved in politics and who know the truth could submit their response. this is supposed to be about businesses who are out to scam you. Not movies trying to change your opinion on the President this is unbeliveable. Robert you may have wanted to get people to boycott the film but, when u attack people and their opinions as you did after you posted the theatres showing the film you crossed the line and then wondered why people were angry with you!!! Most people get the info they need to make an educated decison as to what is fact and what is not good grief we have info at our finger tips now!!! I will only tell you that to get your reader to do as, or believe as you wish them to, you cannot attack anyone.

I always thought of myself as a liberal because I believed that someone somewhere should be responsible for the wrongs that are being done to people everywhere who for one reason or another do not have the funds to stand up for themselves or to protect themselves. My family has had to deal with one income for the last 10 years because my husband was injured on the job while taking anything he could get at the time so he got screwed big time. The governments fault there they downsized the program he worked for because congress couldn't get the money to them on time. I then took the best paying job I could find to support my family and was then injured as well. Big business really screws with the lil guy when they can and where it hurts the most. You work hard for them and do a really good job but, when u get hurt they kick you when you are down. They then try and force you to take their measly lil offer to settle and try to starve you so you take it. You lose your house and cars and everything you own before you get any money from them. then you have to spend a third of that money and more to pay the lawyer you have to hire because you can't go to court on your own it would be impossible. Sorry, but Government and big business are not out for the average american. Mr Moore is right on that point.

I do have an education I have a BA as a matter of fact but, because of the area we live in It only pays around 17 grand a year. A factory job here paid 5 dollars an hour more. Things happen to people in this US of A that we do not forsee. And, now I may be losing our life savings that I paid for his invention to be built because this company keeps wanting more money to take it to someone to manufacture it and we are running out of time and someone will be able to come along and steal it from us. Me and my husband may now have to live on the Govt. for the rest of our lives. We are both still quite young. We are christian and pray everyday for miracles to happen for ourselves and others like us.

To listen to you complain about a stupid movie when there are so many other things in this world that are so much more important. Hopefully, Mr Moore will use some of the money that God gave him to help others. If not he will get his due come judgement day. Everyone needs to help those poor people in Sudan and Africa who are dying from the lack of clean water, food, and Aids. As well as anyone else who needs it to live. I believed I was a liberal now, when I watch tv programs, I see that because I am a christian I am more than likely not. mainly because I do not believe in abortions and I am for the marriage ammendment. But, according to you Robert, I am a liberal because I believe in freedom of speech and letting people make their own decisions. And for believeing in protecting our natural resources so that our children can breath clean air in the next 100 years. So I need to get my head out of my A$$ and breathe the clean air that us liberals have been fighting for? hmmm what is your definition of a liberal?

There have been so many attempts by past Presidents to "get what they want" by doing it behind the backs of the people of the USA that how can we not believe that they may all have a secret agenda behind what they do. I would Love to build a housing community in the mountains out west for people who want nothing to do with any part of our society today and ready my family and other believers who are waiting for the second coming of christ. And so that we can protect ourselves from people who are trying to change our society and take God out of everything. I want my grandhildren to not have to worry about who is outside the front door and not just terrorists but our own countrymen. If we don't do something soon this country will be going south quite quickly. Morals and values are becoming a thing of the past. If it wasn't for God we would not be the country that we are today!!!!! I am sure the govt would think we were a terrorist group or Waco tx or something all over again and come in and kill us all. Is what I want liberal thinking? The only thing that you can be really sure about is that What you read in the bible is true, Jesus is coming, and one day you will die and either go to heaven or hell based on your life choices here on earth.

So, why do you believe that people will believe everything that Mr Moore has to say? I believe that most people can determine for themself that not all of what he says will be true and is one sided information. Lets not worry about this stupid movie and worry more about where this country is headed if we let the judges make the laws and not the people whom this country is supposed to be letting control the laws of the land. Sorry, but this really irks me. Lets get back to the basics of what the founding fathers wanted for this Country and why they came over here in the first place. It was so that you could believe in what you wanted to believe in without the Govt telling you what you had to believe in. The Churches took care of their congregation not the govt. And we should be worrying about the immigrants taking away our rights as christians and what this country was founded on.
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#200 Consumer Comment

This whole bashing argument is ridiculous...

AUTHOR: Tammy - (U.S.A.)

It is true that the general public has not seen the movie yet but it has already been previewed and roundly criticized for its own inaccuracies not only by conservatives but by liberals as well. There are many liberals denouncing this movie and distancing themselves from Mr. Moore because they are concerned about the inaccuracies here. For more previews see http://slate.msn.com



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Now based on that, I would like to address Matt's comments because I am concerned that things taken out of context and promoted as fact give the impression of truth when they are not entirely true.

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I attacked and took over two countries. ---with the approval of congress who assessed the intelligence reports and believed that al-queda and other terrorists organizations were operating in both Afghanistan and Iraq. He was right in Afghanistan and partially right in Iraq. They did find terror cells in Iraq belonging to Hamas, the group who is killing Jews in Israel.



I spent the U.S. surplus and bankrupted the Treasury.---The US surplus was gone before he spent any more due to the initial recession he experienced when taking the office. Expenditures were related to the following: Unexpected emergency relief and measures to help NYC repair and clean up damages after 9/11; unexpected disaster relief aid to California for energy crisis, to California and western states for damages do to fires, to Homeland security expenses to get our national security up to the state to be better prepared, for training programs to coordinate cities and towns for disaster reliefs, and to expenditures in pursuing wars.



I shattered the record for the biggest annual deficit in history. --- could not be helped when he had to develop new programs for security and for terrorist fighting efforts. What would you do sir if we were attacked?



I set an economic record for the most private bankruptcies filed in any 12 month period.--not true. Personal bankruptcy records have nothing to do with the president and his policies. Many personal bankruptcies are filed for the following reasons: loss of jobs, health and divorce. Loss of jobs is occuring because companies are outsourcing their operations because labor costs are too high here in America. It is cheaper to pay someone in India to do the same work than it is to pay an American to do the same work. Health and divorce no one can control.



I set all-time record for the biggest drop in the history of the stock market-- really, again not true. The biggest drop in the history of the stock market led to the stock market crash in 1929.



I am the first president in decades to execute a federal prisoner--- again not true. Many federal prisoners are routinely executed under any president.



I am the first president in US history to enter office with a criminal record---really, an alcohol related pick-up, and he explained that. We should all eliminate anyone who has ever been arrested. For the record, this is not true. Clinton was picked up, arrested, and booked for driving without his license. Ooohhh, we are really bad here.



In my first year in office I set the all-time record for most days on vacation by any president in US history---really and who cares. I believe the President went once every couple of months to his ranch to unwind and relax. He also owns and operates a ranch. I guess that is not really a vacation then. Geez, responsibilities. I would rather have a president who knew his limits and who had the sense to pace himself by taking a needed break when he needs to rather than running himself ragged. Please read corporate studies on productivity. A person is much more productive when they do take needed downtime to recharge their batteries. I say good for him.



After taking the entire month of August off for vacation, I presided over the worst security failure in US history--Oh a whole month. I don't recall it being a whole month. And could he have stopped it if he had been there.



I set the record for most campaign fund raising trips by any president in US history--Yep, he helped his friends too. I think that is what Presidents do. Did he miss any important votes or decisions? John Kerry has missed 80% of votes in the senate. The President is always available by phone if and when he is needed.



In my first two years in office over 2 million Americans lost their job--and now over 2 million have gained jobs.



I cut unemployment benefits for more out-of-work Americans than any other president in US history.----any solid evidence for that. Unemployment benefits are relatively a recent thing that has only been available for the last two decades. It was my understanding that they were talking about cutting unemployment benefits but it never went through. So I would like to see some hard objective data on that, not something from a liberal source who has an axe to grind against the President.



I set the all-time record for most foreclosures in a 12-month period--



I appointed more convicted criminals to administration positions than any president in US history---really. Who are these criminals and what are the nature of their convictions? Reliable sources please.



I set the record for the fewest press conferences of any president since the advent of TV--good for him. Press conferences are so incredibly dull any ways. Press conferences should only be used if there is something really pressing going on. CLinton had abused the press conferences way too much and they had all been to announce really unsignifant things. It is better to use a polite statement to the media.



I signed more laws and executive orders amending the Constitution than any other US president in history---again, this is blatantly a lie. The constitution has not been amended and executive orders cannot amend a constitution. Only congress can do that. Executive orders are policy decisions in which the constitution has given the president authority to enact.



I presided over the biggest energy crises in US history and refused to intervene when corruption was revealed.----and what should he have done? The president of the United States has no authority to prosecute criminals or corruption. THat is a decision that has to be made by the appropriate attorney general of the state in which the offenders had resided. I believe both the Attorney General of Texas and the Attorney General of California addressed the criminals in their jurisdiction after there was a proper investigation and proper evidence that was collected according to the rule of law.



I presided over the highest gasoline prices in US history and refused to use the national reserves as past presidents have--We have the national reserves. We just can't use them because congress is protecting the Alaskan wilderness due to environmental regulations.



I cut health care benefits for war veterans.



I set the all-time record for most people worldwide to simultaneously take to the streets to protest me (15 million people), shattering the record for protest against any person in the history of mankind---there is nothing like controversy which means he must be doing a good job.



I dissolved more international treaties than any president in US history--we were never signed onto the treaties.



I've made my presidency the most secretive and unaccountable of any in US history.

Members of my cabinet are the richest of any administration in US history. (The poorest multimillionaire, Condoleeza Rice, has a Chevron oil tanker named after her)---oh, and the rich are evil people. If a person is rich they have learned how to manage their money. Would you want someone who has been bankrupt managing your government finances? I don't think so.



I am the first president in US history to have all 50 states of the Union simultaneously go bankrupt----again this is not true. There is no state that has gone bankrupt as of yet. Only a few that are in financial dodoo and that is because of the way that they manage their money. Many, many states are in a great financial shape and have balanced budgets and do not have deficits.



I presided over the biggest corporate stock market fraud in any market in any country in the history of the world--again not true. The biggest corporate stock fraud was discovered in the twenties and led to the downfall of the stock market and the stock market crash. Many of the current corporate frauds had been discovered under this administration. However evidence shows that many of these corporate frauds had been long term swindles that had begun in the 1990s under Clinton. An example in point. Conseco had been fleecing stockholders and investors for years and granting extensive loan programs to high executive officers well before Bush came into power. Many of these frauds had been long term corporate swindles that eventually bankrupted their companies.



I am the first president in US history to order a US attack and military occupation of a sovereign nation, and I did so against the will of the United Nations and the world community.--again not true. Clinton has that honor in Bosnia. He did a preemptive strike against Bosnia. Our troops are still in Bosnia and they are still being shot at and killed even though it has been ten years.



I have created the largest government department bureaucracy in the history of the United States--again not true. FDR Roosevelt created the welfare state we currently have.



I set the all-time record for biggest annual budget spending increases, more than any other president in US history--again not true. FDR Roosevelt did that when he enacted the welfare state we currently have.



I am the first president in US history to have the United Nations remove the US from the Human Rights Commission--an honor to be sure since our President and his cabinet no longer were able to see eye to eye on how to really treat people with the likes of Libya, Sudan and Syria. This is a great honor.



I am the first president in US history to have the United Nations remove the US from the Elections Monitoring Board.



I removed more checks and balances, and have the least amount of congressional oversight than any presidential administration in US history. ---sources please, Make them objective.



I rendered the entire United Nations irrelevant. ---the UNited Nations has been irrelevant for years. It had been reduced to nothing more than a good ole boys club for these many years. If the UN had been relevant, we would not have had to deal with the Somalia situation under Clinton, we would not have had to go into Bosnia again under Clinton and we would not have had the total mess that we had with the bribery program. Sometimes in order to get something fixed, you have to shine the light on something and let people know it was broken. Even now Sudan is slaughtering hundreds and thousands of Christians in mass ethnic cleansing and the UN is not doing anything about it. The refugees are pouring into CHad and dying.



I withdrew from the World Court of Law.--We were never signed up and he had concerns rightfully so about the way the International Court was set up and the procedures and the rules of evidence. In other words, he was concerned that there was not proper accountability within this court and that its set up would lead to political witchhunts. Clinton never signed on either because of his concerns. He left the matter for Bush and he said no. When the International Court really gets its act and procedures together and adopts a policy and set of procedures that has strict accountability and establishes a way for an appeal process, then maybe the President will sign on. But until then, I wouldn't sign on.



I refused to allow inspectors access to US prisoners of war and by default no longer abide by the Geneva Conventions--that is not true. Again solid evidence for this. Inspectors have seen the prisoners of war. The red Cross routinely administer to them.



I am the first president in US history to refuse United Nations election inspectors access during the 2002 US elections--Access for what? Why in the world does the UN need to monitor our elections? DO you know of any polling votes that have guns and sheisters at their polling booths ordering people to vote for a certain candidate? This is bull.



I am the all-time US (and world) record holder for most corporate campaign donations.

The biggest lifetime contributor to my campaign, who is also one of my best friends, presided over one of the largest corporate bankruptcy frauds in world history (Kenneth Lay, former CEO of Enron Corporation). ----There are two parts of this. Corporate donations are limited by dollar amount. The republican party also has one of the largest "grass-roots" donation bases as well. And what can you say about friends? Sometimes good friends just go bad, you know. He had never tried to hide his friendship with Kenneth Lay which shows in my book that he has nothing to hide. You can't always know everything your friends are up to and everyone gets burned by their friends sooner or later. Congrats. He is human.



I spent more money on polls and focus groups than any president in US history--again, not true. WHere is the reliable and credible source for this. Clinton lived by the polls.



I am the first president to run and hide when the US came under attack (and then lied, saying the enemy had the code to Air Force 1). Oh, geez. What was he supposed to do? Stay at the WHite House and let himself get bombed. It is standard procedure for any president to go to a safe house when under attack. ANy and all presidents will do that if we are ever attacked again. And so will the Vice President.



I am the first US president to establish a secret shadow government.---Oh please.



I took the world's sympathy for the US after 911, and in less than a year made the US the most resented country in the world (possibly the biggest diplomatic failure in US and world history). ---oh please. He took action. He is resented because he took action. There are lots of countries that are with us on this or have you forgotten and you just remain focused on the few whiny pots who cry for the press all the time.



I am the first US president in history to have a majority of the people of Europe (71%) view my presidency as the biggest threat to world peace and stability.--again, reliable sources for this. I have heard many Europeans say that they are glad for the American's presence there and are greatful. You can't always beleive what you read.



I am the first US president in history to have the people of South Korea more threatened by the US than by their immediate neighbor, North Korea.--again that is not true. If this were true, we would not be withdrawing our troops from the region. Also the SOuth Koreans have been close friends and allies with the US on the war in Iraq.



I changed US policy to allow convicted criminals to be awarded government contracts.--again reliable evidence for this. Reliable, objective sources please and who, what, when and where.



I set the all time record for the number of administration employees who violated US law by not selling their huge investments in corporations bidding for government contracts.--really, again sources for this.



I have removed more freedoms and civil liberties for Americans than any other president in US history. In a little over two years I have created the most divided country in decades, possibly the most divided that the US has been since the civil war.----Two part accusations here. Civil liberties are not in jeopardy here. THis country has been divided for the last two elections or have you forgotten the culture wars.



I entered office with the strongest economy in US history and in less than two years turned every single economic category heading straight down. --again not true. He entered into the white house when our economy was starting a recession. THe last few months of Clintons tenure, economic figures stated that the economy was in a downturn. Bush was inheriting the beginnings of a recession.



RECORDS AND REFERENCES:



I have at least one conviction for drunk driving in Maine (Texas driving record has been erased and is not available).



I was AWOL from the National Guard and deserted the military during time of war. I refuse to take a drug test or even answer any questions about drug use.---this is not true. Reports stated that he was not AWOL. Several of his commanders wrote letters to the editors in the Washington Times that he had not been AWOL. One of his retired commanders have refuted that publicly on the news. Maybe you missed that news?



All records of my tenure as governor of Texas have been spirited away to my father's library, sealed in secrecy and unavailable for public.--again, any proof of that.



All records of any SEC investigations into my insider trading or bankrupt companies are sealed in secrecy and unavailable for public view.---SEC investigations. Do you have any dates for SEC investigations. Believe me if there were SEC investigations, the press would be all over it daily.



All minutes of meetings of any public corporation for which I served on the board are sealed in secrecy and unavailable for public view.---This is standard procedure for many corporations.



Any records or minutes from meetings I (or my VP) attended regarding public energy policy are sealed in secrecy and unavailable for public review.--This is standard procedure for any administration. I hate to break it to you but corporations are not the government and they do not have to disclose details of their private meetings with anyone. Just like I don't have to disclose my meetings with my supervisor. There is something called a right to privacy to conduct business. Now if you want to take that right away from corporations or businesses or individuals then by all means do so, but don't complain about your liberties being taken away.



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Sorry Matt about this. Nothing personal but I couldn't just allow these accusations to stand without challenging them.



Take care.
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#201 Consumer Comment

Wow. This just keeps going, and going, and going...

AUTHOR: John - (U.S.A.)

I haven't posted in a long time in this string, but I have read the steady stream of comments, both for and against Robert. I can't resist another comment.



I think Robert's protestations that people have not carefully read his initial post and that they're getting off-topic from his subject are pretty weak. I've clipped the posting, and it contains the following language:



"Here is a list of the following theatres that intend to show this trash!

Contact these people and protest. *** This is only a partial list of the theatres planning to show this so called film.

Contact them via email and express your opinions."



So, both Robert and the anti-Robert contingent are correct, in that Robert did say, as he has noted recently, to contact them to express your opinions. However, he also requested that readers contact the movie theater industry and protest. For him to ignore the fact that he was asking for protests and focus on only his latter statement is pretty lame. He said what he said, and not even Robert can go back and amend his original words.



So, Robert now claims, "I didn't give the names and email addresses and tell people to protest. I told them to call and VOICE THEIR OPINIONS! You must be too stupid to understand what I actually wrote!" I'm not sure who's stupid here, since all it takes is a simple reading of Robert's first posting to see that he did give names and e-mail addresses and did tell people to contact them and protest. Geez Robert, if you're willing to stand by your words, defend them instead of ignoring them.



Robert also complains that people are missing his point, and that, "All I said was for the liberals to get their heads out of their butts! No insults." I'm as accustomed as the next person when it comes to hearing antagonistic partisan words, and here's a news flash for Robert: When you tell a person to get their head out of their butt, then tell them you're not insulting them, it rings pretty hollow. I suppose that, consistent with the whole "Protest! Voice Opinions! I didn't say protest!" rationale, you can negate your early words by ignoring them and focusing on later words. Robert--you're lame! You're a brilliant man! I've never called you lame!



Actually, in the end, I think Robert got exactly what he wanted, which is a nice long running dialoge on Michael Moore and his movie. As I said in an earlier post, even Dems/liberals will have to admit that parts of the movie are over the top. Ultimately, Cindy from Michigan had the most common sense view: See it if you want to, don't if you don't, and then move on.
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#202 Consumer Comment

a little common since please, Robert.

AUTHOR: Matt - (U.S.A.)

Let us get this out of the way everyone on the board that responds and disagrees with Robert is

A liberal

Has no education

Stupid

Doesn't work

Lives at home with their parents

Has no friends or spouses



Great job recycling the insults over, and over, and over again.



Sorry my M-F job let me get on the computer so I can reply better then the weekend when I work my second job. Certainly you are no detective. If I were at my parents house the weekend would be full of reply's.



What does this nonsense mean?



Military Service, actually Nat, myself and four brothers all proudly served this Country. Add my dad serviing as well and we're not the talk and don't serve class of Americans.





More of Robert's great thinking!!!



Nat, your postings were comical as they resorted to the old Liberal method of dealing with any and everything. Attack, lie and then insult!

Check the facts Nat, I've written numerous reports on this site and help many many people on this and other sites.



I seem to keep reading the outline of you postings are, Attack, lie and then insult. Guess the liberals have some idea's you agree with.



Keep putting me in political categories because I just don't go with one or the other yet. There seems to be problems with all of them.



Don't know if these sites will get by the editor but will post a couple for you fact finders to read and tell me what is wrong with them.



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#203 Consumer Comment

To Robert of Dale City, Virginia who started the name calling???

AUTHOR: Vickie - (U.S.A.)

I came to this site to check on a company that is handling my husbands and my invention. This is not where your debate should be. It is too bad that this is not posted somewhere else so that others could voice their opinions and those more involved in politics and who know the truth could submit their response. this is supposed to be about businesses who are out to scam you. Not movies trying to change your opinion on the President this is unbeliveable. Robert you may have wanted to get people to boycott the film but, when u attack people and their opinions as you did after you posted the theatres showing the film you crossed the line and then wondered why people were angry with you!!! Most people get the info they need to make an educated decison as to what is fact and what is not good grief we have info at our finger tips now!!! I will only tell you that to get your reader to do as, or believe as you wish them to, you cannot attack anyone.

I always thought of myself as a liberal because I believed that someone somewhere should be responsible for the wrongs that are being done to people everywhere who for one reason or another do not have the funds to stand up for themselves or to protect themselves. My family has had to deal with one income for the last 10 years because my husband was injured on the job while taking anything he could get at the time so he got screwed big time. The governments fault there they downsized the program he worked for because congress couldn't get the money to them on time. I then took the best paying job I could find to support my family and was then injured as well. Big business really screws with the lil guy when they can and where it hurts the most. You work hard for them and do a really good job but, when u get hurt they kick you when you are down. They then try and force you to take their measly lil offer to settle and try to starve you so you take it. You lose your house and cars and everything you own before you get any money from them. then you have to spend a third of that money and more to pay the lawyer you have to hire because you can't go to court on your own it would be impossible. Sorry, but Government and big business are not out for the average american. Mr Moore is right on that point.

I do have an education I have a BA as a matter of fact but, because of the area we live in It only pays around 17 grand a year. A factory job here paid 5 dollars an hour more. Things happen to people in this US of A that we do not forsee. And, now I may be losing our life savings that I paid for his invention to be built because this company keeps wanting more money to take it to someone to manufacture it and we are running out of time and someone will be able to come along and steal it from us. Me and my husband may now have to live on the Govt. for the rest of our lives. We are both still quite young. We are christian and pray everyday for miracles to happen for ourselves and others like us.

To listen to you complain about a stupid movie when there are so many other things in this world that are so much more important. Hopefully, Mr Moore will use some of the money that God gave him to help others. If not he will get his due come judgement day. Everyone needs to help those poor people in Sudan and Africa who are dying from the lack of clean water, food, and Aids. As well as anyone else who needs it to live. I believed I was a liberal now, when I watch tv programs, I see that because I am a christian I am more than likely not. mainly because I do not believe in abortions and I am for the marriage ammendment. But, according to you Robert, I am a liberal because I believe in freedom of speech and letting people make their own decisions. And for believeing in protecting our natural resources so that our children can breath clean air in the next 100 years. So I need to get my head out of my A$$ and breathe the clean air that us liberals have been fighting for? hmmm what is your definition of a liberal?

There have been so many attempts by past Presidents to "get what they want" by doing it behind the backs of the people of the USA that how can we not believe that they may all have a secret agenda behind what they do. I would Love to build a housing community in the mountains out west for people who want nothing to do with any part of our society today and ready my family and other believers who are waiting for the second coming of christ. And so that we can protect ourselves from people who are trying to change our society and take God out of everything. I want my grandhildren to not have to worry about who is outside the front door and not just terrorists but our own countrymen. If we don't do something soon this country will be going south quite quickly. Morals and values are becoming a thing of the past. If it wasn't for God we would not be the country that we are today!!!!! I am sure the govt would think we were a terrorist group or Waco tx or something all over again and come in and kill us all. Is what I want liberal thinking? The only thing that you can be really sure about is that What you read in the bible is true, Jesus is coming, and one day you will die and either go to heaven or hell based on your life choices here on earth.

So, why do you believe that people will believe everything that Mr Moore has to say? I believe that most people can determine for themself that not all of what he says will be true and is one sided information. Lets not worry about this stupid movie and worry more about where this country is headed if we let the judges make the laws and not the people whom this country is supposed to be letting control the laws of the land. Sorry, but this really irks me. Lets get back to the basics of what the founding fathers wanted for this Country and why they came over here in the first place. It was so that you could believe in what you wanted to believe in without the Govt telling you what you had to believe in. The Churches took care of their congregation not the govt. And we should be worrying about the immigrants taking away our rights as christians and what this country was founded on.
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#204 REBUTTAL Individual responds

Get OFF IT Lady! You're WRONG!!

AUTHOR: Robert - (U.S.A.)

Debbie,



If you're a CEO, to think I started the name calling shows your lack of intelligence!



In my original post, I told people to call the theatres and voice "Their Opinions"!



How is this name calling?



What you and others did was attack me because I classified this movie as a "Rip Off"!



I only responded with name calling in response to other posts!



Threaten you. BULL! It didn't happen! All I said is you're an eginma!



As for you son getting killed, you still didn't share that seriouss information you mentioned!



I am sorry your son got killed, but you used that as an excuse to attack me and my positions on MM and then my political views!



You're in the wrong!



You're using this site to attack me and my views on MM and politics.



So don't come here whining to me! I didn't do anything to you.



If you didn't want to get involved in this posting, you shouldn't have opened your d**n mouth!



But don't accuse me of things I didn't do or say.



Leve it alone Debbie unless you want to address my original posting which you still haven't done!



If you're a CEO, then act like one.



As I said, all you did was attack my position on MM and then my political views.



Don't try and blame me for what happened to your son.



Debbie, unless you may have missed it, war is part of being in the military sometimes.



And if someone doesn't want to take the chance to go to war, then they should avoid the military.



Why didn't you give him a job in your own company to keep him out of the military!
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#205 Consumer Comment

JUST LIKE PEOPLE USE THEIR RIGHT TO PROTEST IN THE STREETS AGAINST THE WAR, SO DOES PEOPLE AGAINST THIS MOVIE.

AUTHOR: Silberberg - (U.S.A.)

I understand your pride in this country and I know you're not trying to censor anyone. The fact that you are simply using your right to OPPOSE Michael Moore, is your freedom of speech.



JUST LIKE PEOPLE USE THEIR RIGHT TO PROTEST IN THE STREETS AGAINST THE WAR.



The fact that you told liberals to get their head out of their butts to smell the fresh AIR is ACTUALLY a "liberal" or "Michael Moore" thing to say.



I highly doubt you will succeed in preventing these movie theaters from showing this movie, but I guess your point is that you want these institutions to be made AWARE of the OPPOSITION to this viewing. That not everyone agrees with this viewing. Maybe to you, showing this movie is like showing the persecution of people whom you support.



Liberals look at these people as they do the devil, so it's hard for them to comprehend why anyone would want to oppose the viewing of persecuting or outting out people who you support.



And you're probably right about Michael Moore making money off of this thing.



IF MICHAEL MOORE IS NOT TRYING TO ONLY MAKE MONEY, I WONDER IF HE WOULD OPPOSE TO PUTTING A HIGH PERCENTAGE OF HIS PROFITS TO HIS CAUSES OR INTO DECREASING THE NATIONAL TRILLION DOLLAR DEBT, RATHER THAN KEEPING IT.... I'd like to see that.



Just making a movie is not enough for him to win his cause. He has to actually take action and physically support his views and people... not just talk about it in a movie or books or in interviews or anywhere on camera. There has to be results. Educating people is not enough.



People just sit there and start criticizing the president, rather than getting up off their fat butts and using that time to be useful in helping the economy and decreasing the national debt.



WHY ARE LIBERAL CELEBRITIES MAKING MILLIONS AND MILLIONS OF DOLLARS OFF OF OUR MONEY?? WHY DON'T THEY GIVE THAT MONEY BACK TO THE ECONOMY, RATHER THAN USING IT FOR A NEW $100 MILLION BOAT OR $100,000 EYEBROW WAX JOBS IN A DIFFERENT STATE EVERY 10 DAYS.



Celebrities are refusing to take jobs unless they get a RAISE in their $20 MILLION salary. My God... and we support it by going and seeing their movies. They sound more like corporate "FAT CATS" to me.... Not even "fat cats" have as much fun with their money as these celebrities seem to have enough time to do.



THAT MONEY WE SPEND ON THEM, THAT MONEY SHOULD BE PUT INTO A HIGH PERCENTAGE OF THE NATIONAL TRILLION DOLLAR DEBT... INTO COMMUNTIES... INTO NEW JOBS FOR THE COMMON PEOPLE.



Protesting is simply not enough. The president is not God and cannot grant you the wish of more money and more cash. You have to do something about it. People just like to blame and act helpless as if they have no responsibility in all of this.
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#206 Consumer Comment

MAN OF FEW ACTIONS, JUST FULL OF OUR MONEY

AUTHOR: Silberberg - (U.S.A.)

Men of action, above all those whose actions are guided by love, live forever.



OTHER FAMOUS MEN, THOSE OF MUCH TALK AND FEW DEEDS, SOON EVAPORATE.



Action is the dignity of greatness.
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#207 Consumer Comment

For a query by Tammy of Michigan

AUTHOR: Marilynn - (U.S.A.)

Tammy makes reference to one of the administration's actions immediately following 9/11 that allowed 24 members of the bin Laden family to fly out of this country.



In a 6/24/04 article (on Michael Moore and the film) by Robert Denerstein of the Rocky Mountain News, Denerstein states that Michael Moore talked about exploring the Bush connection to the bin Ladens when he read an article in 'The New Yorker' which said that 24 member of the bin Laden family had been allowed to fly out of the United States immediately after Sept. 11.



The Denerstein commentary then quotes Moore as saying, "I'm not saying that the 24 had anything to do with the events of Sept. 11. But if your cousin kelly 3,000 people, the police are going to ask you to come downtown for a few questions...They'd probably be real suspicious if you wanted a one-way ticket out of the country."



Also on 6/24/04 newspaper movie critic/columnist Greg Outher wrote the following.



"The Bush administration allowed members of the bin Laden clan to leave the United States -- not for their own safety, but to conceal their close ties to the Bush family. The evidence is provocative, including the revelation that James R. Bath, a long time Bush confindante whose name was mysteriously censored by the White House from military documents, was the 'Texas money manager' for the bin Ladens.



"More importantly, Moore questions the forensic wisdom of allowing family memebers of a wanted fugitive (who, he argues, weren't nearly as alienated from Osama as some led us to believe) skip the country before being questioned by authorities. Would you do that for the McVeighs?"



Anyway, that's what those two writers had to say on the topic.
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#208 Consumer Comment

Hey Bob.

AUTHOR: Debbie - (U.S.A.)

My brother who works the force said he is waiting for your call. He has read all of this and the threats are there. Do you need the number? I will oblige.
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#209 Author of original report

those on this website that know me quite well liked my posting

AUTHOR: Robert - (U.S.A.)

Thank YOU! One and all!

I wrote a report about what I thought was a ripoff and got almost the exact response I thought it would bring.



Now those on this website that know me quite well liked my posting.



There was nothing wrong with my report. It was exercising my right to free speech!



The replies were amazing. Not in content, but in the way each showed that the writers didn't understand what they were reading.



Nat in Vegas, you are the insulting little twit here.

In your last response, you said what mom and dad did, but what about you? Do you even work? Still living in mom and dad's? Still waiting for that perfect job?



Military Service, actually Nat, myself and four brothers all proudly served this Country. Add my dad serviing as well and we're not the talk and don't serve class of Americans.



Nat, they still do have the "Don't Ask Don't Tell Policy" in the military if you want to give it a try!



Otherwise, you stay home in mom and dad's and play on the computer.

As for being old, maybe a few years more than you. Viagra, don't need it right now. Maybe you do. A little advice from this old geezer.



Nat, do you need some Viagra yourself? There are 365 days in the year and if you're going to be such an aggravating d**k year round, you may need some Viagra yourself.



As for my ever hitting my wife, wouldn't think of it. Why would anyone ever hit a woman or be mean to a child.



Hey Nat, I'll bet even you could justify both of these cowardly acts!

You mentioned I couldn't argue the facts you presented! WHAT FACTS?



All you did was print lines right out of the MM handbook to argue with any sane person!

Back these accusations up with FACTS!



Clearly, your mom and dad failed in raising their free thinking son/and or daughter.

What American parent would care what Europe thought about our President?

Not any true American parent.

As for coming to this site Nat. I've been here longer than you and have probably been involved in more reports than you'll ever be.

I wrote a very simple report. Expressing MY opinions, which hundreds of thousands, even millions of people in this Country share.

With the exception of Tammy in Lowville N.Y., those responding took the attack route rather than discuss.



Tammy, you saved me a lot of time trying to respond to Nat's last posting.

Most all who responded attacked me for filing a report on MM's new film.



People reading the report all came back and attacked me for trying to get people NOT to go to MM's new movie.

The attacks show those reading didn't understand what was written.



Nat, your postings were comical as they resorted to the old Liberal method of dealing with any and everything. Attack, lie and then insult!

Check the facts Nat, I've written numerous reports on this site and help many many people on this and other sites.



As for porn on the internet, I just don't bother with it. Porn is porn. Pictures of naked people.

Big deal!



Porn may have an appeal to you. I'll bet you get into dad's secret stash and run to the bathroom.

Nat, grow up and get some direction to your life.

Judging from the website you listed, this tells all about you.



Nat, come on little boy, you attacked me from the start. Now lets see you back up your accusations with some facts.



It seems like I'm not the only one who would like you to produce some facts to back it up!
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#210 Consumer Suggestion

Politics, politics, politics......

AUTHOR: Aaron - (U.S.A.)

Unlike most of you, I've seen Michael Moore's so-called documentary and found it to be full of statements taken out of context. He is a fool and anybody who puts any stock in his lies are as big of a fool as he.



Most of you folks make it pretty clear what your voting preferences would be, but isn't it a shame that both parties can't do any better than this for candidates: a drunken rich kid and a lame-a*s liberal with a big-mouthed wife. Hey Kerry, get your house in order, she's an embarassment. Either we end up with a Republican who supports such things as NAFTA and big business or a Democrat who supports all these bullshit social programs that suck the tax dollars out of my pocket like dookie from a goose.



There is no greater threat to this country than liberalism. There's not a terrorist group out there that can do as much damage to this country as the Hollywood knee-jerk limousine liberal crowd and partisan politics. We used to call these people communists which is what they are.



And last but not least.... To KNILJA in Freakland, Oregon:



This is a ripoff. Michael Moores business is film-making. Film-making is done with investors and studios. Obviously you don't understand that Hollywood is a business. What Michael Moore did is use this PLATFORM for his own political pursuits. Don't get me wrong, he IS entitled to do this. But when you lie and tell only half truths, then it becomes a Ripoff. Technically what M.M. did is known as bait and switch. He should be prosecuted for this, but instead he will just have to deal with the persecution from the NON-America Hating Crowd.



Somebody tell me why people from the west coast and big cities are all liberals? Why are folks like me from rural America mostly conservative?

I'll answer the question myself to prove a point.

because people like me love our country and find fault only with its government. I truly see the beauty of open spaces. People from the city and west coast simply hate their surroundings and this hate carries over into their politics. I'd be mad too if I lived somewhere in America where English is not spoken as the national language and crime is on a rampage. That's the governments fault. Don't take this heart. This is simply my opinion or if you want to call it a philosophy then so be it.



If you want to support the fight against fundamentalist islamic terrorism then forget about BUSH, support Israel. They know how to handle these fools. GOD BLESS !
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#211 REBUTTAL Individual responds

ONE MORE TIME!!!!! FOR PAMELA!!!!!

AUTHOR: Robert - (U.S.A.)

Re-read my original post you arrogant a*s! I didn't engage in any name calling in that post!

I did respond in kind when others writing started a barrage of insults.



You must be able to read but trying something new when you re-read my original post. Try understanding it!



I told people to call the theartres and voice THEIR OPINIONS!

Only a complete idiot would take this to mean I was trying to stop someone from exercising their right to Free Speech!



You have no facts to back up any of your allegations against President Bush just as NO ONE who has made them have any proof!



All you are is someone who likes to shoot their mouth off and whine and complain!



You're a Michael Mooreian! This is a person that has a brain but just can't seem to use it for anything good or worthwhile.



Keep spewing your venom and hate while hiding online.



If you have so much courage and know what you're talking about, why don't you write to President George Bush and tell him exactly what you posted here. Sign your name and use your real address!



Pamela from Atlanta, you are nothing but a coward hiding online and spewing your hate for all to see.



You've lost before you even start!
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#212 Consumer Suggestion

What ever happened to the saying "Judging a book by it's cover"?

AUTHOR: Debbie - (U.S.A.)

That's what is going on here. When all of you have attended this movie, why dont you come back here and we can discuss it as educated and informed adults. I really do believe until that time no one has a true opinion, just an uninformed theory. You call each other names and attack without any justification whatsoever. I was basically fence sitting about going to see this film. I must thank you all for swaying my decision. I will be there on Friday seeing FOR MYSELF this film and making an INFORMED opinion about it.

Thank You
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#213 REBUTTAL Individual responds

HATER/RATER

AUTHOR: YELLOW - (U.S.A.)

You Sir are a Hater in the worse way. Michael Moore has a different version of what is portrayed to the public as a Rose Bud community. We USA need to mind our own Business and let sleeping dogs LIE) GEORGE BUSH> His roses really smell like BOO-BOO.

Did you see Michael Moore's movie

STUPID WHITE MEN!!!!!!!
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#214 Consumer Comment

All this over a movie?

AUTHOR: Cindy - (U.S.A.)

Sheesh....if you want to see it, see it. If you don't, then DON'T! Where's the arguement? No wonder the world is in the state it is.
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#215 Consumer Comment

Well Now

AUTHOR: Boz - (U.S.A.)

Hi There, it is Dr. Texino and his dog BIP (the dog) I have just moved to Virginia to set up a Stem Cell Lab in the suburbs of Washington.



It is quite interesting that in analyzing the demographics in order to decide the area where the greatest fetal access would likely occur, the graphs spread in concentric circles and become the widest-denoting lack of education, financial and professional failure, want-to-be-but-never-wills and dope addicts-in the area of Dale City, Centerville, Oxen Hill and so on.



Therefore, I was certainly not surprised to see misinformed lunacy spouting smack dab where the demographers said.



I am not a movie critic, I am the fellow who profits from pro choice, although I must say that when I profit others profit in that we are making inroads against some terrible diseases.



Can't touch those cases of the dumb a*s though. No Sir or Madam.



Now for the record. I have seen the film in question. Unlike the other pieces by the same guy, in this one he kind of keeps his fat face out of the way and just lets the principals hoist themselves on their own petard.



The words are there as well as the pictures. They are slanted to show President Bush and some of his people in a bad light. Be that as it may, it will be hard for anyone with a conscience not to see that Moore has some valid points.



I am sorry that there are people posting here who believe that the word Liberal and Democrat and Conservative and Republican have hidden meanings. I do not care to see the Lingua Franca of the civilized world raped for the convenience of small minded hot heads. SO...



Go to a theatre, it is nice and cool, and watch this movie, it is not too long. You will learn something.



And yes, I am in Dale City for a brief stay. I am an unusual looking person with a Dog. People always notice me. Do come up and speak if you like.



Texino
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#216 Consumer Comment

It's just too funny

AUTHOR: John - (U.S.A.)

Really, I had intended to only post the one reply, and this will be the last as I have many more important things to do (i.e., mowing the lawn). But I can't resist one last reply to the popular Robert from Dale City, VA.



In response to your posting, no, I'm not an English teacher. I am a college graduate with a post-graduate degree though, so I'm assuming that will also put me on your "one of those" lists. I didn't think of my reply as a lecture, but rather an attempt to post a cogent (look it up Robert) response to this string. I admit I wasn't going to get knee deep into the whole Bush presidency, and I don't intend to now. I did however actually see the film, and am aware that some of the things Moore represented were not true. Call it what you will, I write it off as part of his attempt to present a biased yet entertaining view.



I'm not quite sure why it is Robert doesn't believe that I know too much about George Bush, his family, or his presidency. I spend what is likely an inordinate amount of time trying to keep up with domestic and international events, and I try to balance my news gathering efforts (mix a little Drudge Report in with NPR). I admit I'm not big fan of his, but that doesn't mean I don't know anything about him. To the contrary, I think I know more than enough to base my conclusions.



Finally, I'm sorry to inform Robert that I don't live in my parents' basement. Haven't lived at home since sophomore year in college, and that's going back quite a few years (decades, actually). But I have a young child, I have family and friends that I care about, and I wnat this country to be the best it can be. The wonder and beauty of this country is that one of my closest friends and I can spend our lunches together arguing vigorously over politics (he the conservative, me the more liberal) and then shifting gears nicely to talk about golf or football or coaching kids' soccer. Life's not always black and white, and the fact is that most people are living in the gray.



I honestly appreciate people like Robert being able to express their opinions, even if they take potshots at me. It's further proof that this country has open arms to all. Debate and dissent keep things moving along, and always will. So keep it up Robert, and I'm going back to the yard work.
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#217 Consumer Comment

Just some Facts

AUTHOR: Matt - (U.S.A.)

These are Fact to make a movie by. You wanted some facts to dispute here they are Robert.



You also know I would love to see the movie that goofs on Kerry, but I have an open mind to make my own choices.



ACCOMPLISHMENTS AS PRESIDENT:



I attacked and took over two countries.



I spent the U.S. surplus and bankrupted the Treasury.



I shattered the record for the biggest annual deficit in history.



I set an economic record for the most private bankruptcies filed in any 12 month period.



I set all-time record for the biggest drop in the history of the stock market.



I am the first president in decades to execute a federal prisoner.



I am the first president in US history to enter office with a criminal record.



In my first year in office I set the all-time record for most days on vacation by any president in US history.



After taking the entire month of August off for vacation, I presided over the worst security failure in US history.



I set the record for most campaign fund raising trips by any president in US history.



In my first two years in office over 2 million Americans lost their job.



I cut unemployment benefits for more out-of-work Americans than any other president in US history.



I set the all-time record for most foreclosures in a 12-month period.



I appointed more convicted criminals to administration positions than any president in US history.



I set the record for the fewest press conferences of any president since the advent of TV.



I signed more laws and executive orders amending the Constitution than any other US president in history.



I presided over the biggest energy crises in US history and refused to intervene when corruption was revealed.



I presided over the highest gasoline prices in US history and refused to use the national reserves as past presidents have.



I cut health care benefits for war veterans.



I set the all-time record for most people worldwide to simultaneously take to the streets to protest me (15 million people), shattering the record for protest against any person in the history of mankind.



I dissolved more international treaties than any president in US history.



I've made my presidency the most secretive and unaccountable of any in US history.

Members of my cabinet are the richest of any administration in US history. (The poorest multimillionaire, Condoleeza Rice, has a Chevron oil tanker named after her).



I am the first president in US history to have all 50 states of the Union simultaneously go bankrupt.



I presided over the biggest corporate stock market fraud in any market in any country in the history of the world.



I am the first president in US history to order a US attack and military occupation of a sovereign nation, and I did so against the will of the United Nations and the world community.



I have created the largest government department bureaucracy in the history of the United States.



I set the all-time record for biggest annual budget spending increases, more than any other president in US history.



I am the first president in US history to have the United Nations remove the US from the Human Rights Commission.



I am the first president in US history to have the United Nations remove the US from the Elections Monitoring Board.



I removed more checks and balances, and have the least amount of congressional oversight than any presidential administration in US history.



I rendered the entire United Nations irrelevant.



I withdrew from the World Court of Law.



I refused to allow inspectors access to US prisoners of war and by default no longer abide by the Geneva Conventions.



I am the first president in US history to refuse United Nations election inspectors access during the 2002 US elections.



I am the all-time US (and world) record holder for most corporate campaign donations.

The biggest lifetime contributor to my campaign, who is also one of my best friends, presided over one of the largest corporate bankruptcy frauds in world history (Kenneth Lay, former CEO of Enron Corporation).



I spent more money on polls and focus groups than any president in US history.



I am the first president to run and hide when the US came under attack (and then lied, saying the enemy had the code to Air Force 1)



I am the first US president to establish a secret shadow government.



I took the world's sympathy for the US after 911, and in less than a year made the US the most resented country in the world (possibly the biggest diplomatic failure in US and world history).



I am the first US president in history to have a majority of the people of Europe (71%) view my presidency as the biggest threat to world peace and stability.



I am the first US president in history to have the people of South Korea more threatened by the US than by their immediate neighbor, North Korea.



I changed US policy to allow convicted criminals to be awarded government contracts.



I set the all time record for the number of administration employees who violated US law by not selling their huge investments in corporations bidding for government contracts.



I have removed more freedoms and civil liberties for Americans than any other president in US history. In a little over two years I have created the most divided country in decades, possibly the most divided that the US has been since the civil war.



I entered office with the strongest economy in US history and in less than two years turned every single economic category heading straight down.



RECORDS AND REFERENCES:



I have at least one conviction for drunk driving in Maine (Texas driving record has been erased and is not available).



I was AWOL from the National Guard and deserted the military during time of war. I refuse to take a drug test or even answer any questions about drug use.



All records of my tenure as governor of Texas have been spirited away to my father's library, sealed in secrecy and unavailable for public.



All records of any SEC investigations into my insider trading or bankrupt companies are sealed in secrecy and unavailable for public view.



All minutes of meetings of any public corporation for which I served on the board are sealed in secrecy and unavailable for public view.



Any records or minutes from meetings I (or my VP) attended regarding public energy policy are sealed in secrecy and unavailable for public review.



Sorry it's so long but I just had a good laugh at so many of these I could not leave one out.
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#218 Consumer Comment

Trolls

AUTHOR: Darren - (U.S.A.)

Robert,



I am sure somewhere there you are being whitty as trolls try to be. But, I just don't get it.



Oh well.
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#219 Consumer Comment

Name calling lessons your points

AUTHOR: Matt - (U.S.A.)

I will first have to address Tammy, Protesting is a great tool to use for the right purposes and is not censorship. It is censorship if you are trying to prevent a theater from showing a movie I would like to see. Your points are made and taken about half truths and such in Mr. Moores movie. Let us compare them to Passion of the Christ. That is also a movie that you have to see for yourself and determine what could have happend and what is probly a half-truth.



Poor poor Robert-



Even the title of your post has insults. Who can take you seriously with the babble you spew. No more of a responce needed for you sir. Put me in whatever catagory you need to find the correct insult. Thankyou for the responce I expected.
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#220 Consumer Suggestion

Can one of you tell me Kerry's position?

AUTHOR: John - (U.S.A.)

I would like to know what John Kerry's position is.
He says he has a better plan for Homeland Security. What is It???

He has a better plan for rebuilding and getting out of Iraq??

What is it???

He has a better plean for the economy. What is it? He says outsourcing jobs to other companies is a problem but his wife's company does it?

I don't get it.......

He says we have to win back our allies. Are we out for them or for ourselves????

That debate was a joke. It was scripted. How can any of you formulate a position one way or the other?
You all who are anti war and say you hate Bush because of it. Would you all hate him if he left things alone and more terrorists attacked our citizens abroad?

I am just asking for facts and what these plans are. I am hearing a democratic campaign that is just saying what Bush did wrong but not suggesting or letting us know what is the plan?
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#221 Consumer Comment

What debate? And is Kerry the best you can do?

AUTHOR: Robert - (U.S.A.)

Well, Jeff, I said it was a stretch. Moore is (as I've said before) a spin doctor with a baseball cap. He feeds his distortions to people who want to hear it. The media presents it as the "truth" and Michael Moore will not deny it unless pressed. And he is laughing all the way to the bank. I don't have to make a movie debunking him, several people have. But you are not going to see them in the movies. Why not? Because the REAL power brokers don't want it seen. And who are they....the media and the movie industry, that's who. They are still mad that Gore didn't win. Oh well.

As far as the "debate", what a yawner. Kerry hardly said anything of substance and Bush was, well, Bush. I did not hear anything new and nothing to make me want to vote for either of them. I can't wait until there is a real debate with ALL of the candidates for president, not just the "major" parties. It has never, ever been a two party system like the media insists. Neither the Republicans nor the Democrats want any third parties to be visible. As wacky as some of them might be, there may be some good ideas from one of them. We'll never know. They are hardly included in the process.

I'm not a fan of Bush but there has to be a better Democrat to run than Kerry. To me, he has as much charisma as Bush. I know some die hard Democrats (including my wife) who think he comes across sleazy. Can't the Democrats get someone who would stick to a platform. What the heck is their platform except beat Bush? Let's be specific. There are a lot of people out there who want to know.

I know for some this is going to be hard to take but this political discussion is beginning to take the appearance of one cult versus another cult. Rather than discussion, there are personal attacks, put downs, geographical "racism" and all those wonderful things that prove to people in other countries that Americans are just a bunch of morons. And this will start again in four years....
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#222 Consumer Comment

Tight-lipped, uptight, and nervous ..We are all in big trouble if George W. Bush runs our country for another 4 years.

AUTHOR: Shawn Marie - (U.S.A.)

That was the impression George Bush, Jr. gave me during the debate. He was defensive for the most part and stood looking very much like a cross between Howdy Doody and Alfred E. Newman.

We are all in big trouble if George W. Bush runs our country for another 4 years. He wants to keep troops in Iraq. How good will that be for the morale of the citizens of this country? What about ALL the problems we have in THIS country? What is he doing about OUR country? He has made Iraq his main focus and there's nobody there to get anymore. He got the bad guy there. I'm not sorry that Suddam Hussein was captured, but how long ago was that? Let's put it away and move on and start making some changes in AMERICA. We can work on helping the rest of the world, but we HAVE to have change in AMERICA too--what's the point of fixing the rest of the world if our country is a shambles?

JOHN KERRY YOU HAVE MY VOTE!
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#223 Consumer Comment

Bush sounded like Porky pig last night. ..Kerry showed strength, conviction, and a steady command of the facts

AUTHOR: Pete - (U.S.A.)

As a Democrat, this comment is positive. I think John Kerry cut through the lies and misconceptions that the Bush Corporate money machine has been trying to spew at the American public.

George Bush sounded like "Porky Pig" with all the stammering, and babbling he did last night. That man has a hard time speaking and articulating the kind of words a second grader could nail right, the first time. Is this the kind of person you want to be the voice of our counrty??
* America saw John Kerry as our next President tonight.
* Kerry showed strength, conviction, and a steady command of the facts.
* Kerry left no doubt he can lead the fight to hunt and kill the terrorists.
* Kerry offered hope for a fresh start in Iraq so we can finish the job. Kerry has specific plans: Bush had shallow promises.

Bush sounded like he was half drunk; all the pausing he did, along with his lousy prose and grammer. My friends and I were
cracking jokes like; "Have another sip of that gin George, it will calm your nerves"!!
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#224 Consumer Comment

Michael Moore is brilliant!!!!!

AUTHOR: Jim - (U.S.A.)

Michael Moore is a very smart and BRAVE man who tells it like it is. He showed us about the U.S. in the movie "Bowling for Columbine" and showed us about the terrorists risen from our own country. Second he showed us about Bushs' plan to invade Iraq for other purposes. Bush knew about 9/11 before hand but did nothing to stop it. He still hasn't gotten O'sama Bin Laden but ousted Saddam Hussein because his daddy(George H. Bush) didn't finish the war he started. Jeb Bush and Katherine Harris of Florida STOLE the election in 2000 as it is. It is time the tables turn! ELECT JOHN KERRY FOR PRESIDENT!
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#225 Consumer Comment

Michael Moore is brilliant!!!!!

AUTHOR: Jim - (U.S.A.)

Michael Moore is a very smart and BRAVE man who tells it like it is. He showed us about the U.S. in the movie "Bowling for Columbine" and showed us about the terrorists risen from our own country. Second he showed us about Bushs' plan to invade Iraq for other purposes. Bush knew about 9/11 before hand but did nothing to stop it. He still hasn't gotten O'sama Bin Laden but ousted Saddam Hussein because his daddy(George H. Bush) didn't finish the war he started. Jeb Bush and Katherine Harris of Florida STOLE the election in 2000 as it is. It is time the tables turn! ELECT JOHN KERRY FOR PRESIDENT!
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#226 Consumer Comment

Michael Moore is brilliant!!!!!

AUTHOR: Jim - (U.S.A.)

Michael Moore is a very smart and BRAVE man who tells it like it is. He showed us about the U.S. in the movie "Bowling for Columbine" and showed us about the terrorists risen from our own country. Second he showed us about Bushs' plan to invade Iraq for other purposes. Bush knew about 9/11 before hand but did nothing to stop it. He still hasn't gotten O'sama Bin Laden but ousted Saddam Hussein because his daddy(George H. Bush) didn't finish the war he started. Jeb Bush and Katherine Harris of Florida STOLE the election in 2000 as it is. It is time the tables turn! ELECT JOHN KERRY FOR PRESIDENT!
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#227 Consumer Comment

Michael Moore is brilliant!!!!!

AUTHOR: Jim - (U.S.A.)

Michael Moore is a very smart and BRAVE man who tells it like it is. He showed us about the U.S. in the movie "Bowling for Columbine" and showed us about the terrorists risen from our own country. Second he showed us about Bushs' plan to invade Iraq for other purposes. Bush knew about 9/11 before hand but did nothing to stop it. He still hasn't gotten O'sama Bin Laden but ousted Saddam Hussein because his daddy(George H. Bush) didn't finish the war he started. Jeb Bush and Katherine Harris of Florida STOLE the election in 2000 as it is. It is time the tables turn! ELECT JOHN KERRY FOR PRESIDENT!
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#228 Consumer Comment

The real RIP OFF is the family's of the dead soldiers killed over OIL and Cheney's buddies government contracts.

AUTHOR: Pete - (U.S.A.)

Military Fatalities: By Month
Period US UK Other* Total Avg Days
10-2004 1 0 0 1 1 1
9-2004 80 3 4 87 2.9 30
8-2004 66 4 5 75 2.42 31
7-2004 54 1 3 58 1.87 31
6-2004 42 1 7 50 1.67 30
5-2004 80 0 4 84 2.71 31
4-2004 135 0 5 140 4.67 30
3-2004 52 0 0 52 1.68 31
2-2004 20 1 2 23 0.79 29
1-2004 47 5 0 52 1.68 31
12-2003 40 0 8 48 1.55 31
11-2003 82 1 27 110 3.67 30
10-2003 43 1 2 46 1.48 31
9-2003 30 1 1 32 1.07 30
8-2003 35 6 2 43 1.39 31
7-2003 47 1 0 48 1.55 31
6-2003 30 6 0 36 1.2 30
5-2003 37 4 0 41 1.32 31
4-2003 73 6 0 79 2.63 30
3-2003 65 27 0 92 7.67 12
Total 1059 68 70 1197 2.13 562



VIET NAM 2.......DEJA VU...

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DEJA VU (ALL OVER AGAIN)

Did you hear 'em talkin' 'bout it on the radio
Did you try to read the writing on the wall
Did that voice inside you say I've heard it all before
It's like Deja Vu all over again

Day by day I hear the voices rising
Started with a whisper like it did before
Day by day we count the dead and dying
Ship the bodies home while the networks all keep score

Did you hear 'em talkin' 'bout it on the radio
Could your eyes believe the writing on the wall
Did that voice inside you say I've heard it all before
It's like Deja Vu all over again

One by one I see the old ghosts rising
Stumblin' 'cross Big Muddy
Where the light gets dim
Day after day another Momma's crying
She's lost her precious child
To a war that has no end

Did you hear 'em talkin' 'bout it on the radio
Did you stop to read the writing at The Wall
Did that voice inside you say
I've seen this all before
It's like Deja Vu all over again
It's like Deja Vu all over again

John Fogerty
2004 Cody River Music / ASCAP
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#229 Consumer Comment

Just the facts

AUTHOR: Joe - (U.S.A.)

Will someone commenting on all these profound insights please answer a few questions for me?

1. How many people currently in the armed services did not volunteer?

2. Where does Michael Moore's philantropic(sp) subsidiary donate most of their money?

3. How do you deal whith people who will kill their own children to further a cause?
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#230 Consumer Comment

Enough Hate Already

AUTHOR: Kate - (U.S.A.)

I'd like to counteract some of the impressions that the great uninformed like to spread. They use personal insults and hate syntax. Sad state of events. Most beings of this specific level of intellect don't have opposable thumbs and cannot type. But this is not always the case, as we have proof of this here.

I know Iraqi's. As a Christian woman it's my job to do mission work and support mission work.

Iraqi's who are not involved in the uprisings are terrified of the insurgent fighters. And they express inpatience at the dragging on of the conflict.

But they are happy that the water and energy systems, as well as the roads are being rebuilt. In many areas there aren't any insurgents and life is rebuilding. They grieve over the attacks. They are holding their breath until the elections.

For my part, I intend to pray for our leaders and pay the bill without whining. Like my folks and grandparents did. When the n**i's were running loose. For such a short period of time, they sure did a whole lot of damage. Hussein was in power for many years. And these people are conditioned to feel helpless. It's normal. But they also are starting to express hope. We did that. As the greatest power on earth it's our job.

The North Koreans? Well, as a matter of fact when we entered Iraq they hadn't yet acquired nuclear capabilities. That would have required psychic powers - which to date are not a prerequisite for the Presidency of the United States of America.

It's very easy to cast blame for every event on the planet on the White House. But it's a little silly, isn't it? Really? To blame someone for not responding they way you want them to, to something that hasn't happened yet? Just a tad unreasonable. And uninformed.

The interim President of Iraq visited here, he made a clear statement that I, personally, heard. He said he would like to know why the American media refuses to report what's really happening in Iraq? I would too.
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#231 Consumer Comment

An Apology to Shawn

AUTHOR: Vickie - (U.S.A.)

Shawn, I am so sorry there were so many threads to read and I thought it was yours and it wasn't it was Kates' response that I was rebutting that had to do with past behavior predicting future. I still can't believe that this is still going. I get an avg. of 88 to over 100 emails in my inbox from this thread daily. There is supposed to be a web site that is going to post all of the positions that each party is for and against and what they stand for. I don't think either one of them are anywhere near what they used to be.
President and Laura Bush were on DR. Phil today and what a joke that was. Does any one really believe that that was himself the way he is at home or was it all fake like I think it was? Kerry will be on there next week with a sit down talk with DR. Phil. We will then get to see which one is the better actor at showing how much a family man they are and how personable they can be.

WHO CARES? I don't. Just because you go on tv and are interviewed from your home with pre arranged questions MR. Bush and your trying to be cute and funny. We all see you when you are at your podium and your condescending attitude. He reminds me of the bullies in school. If you don't do as I tell you to I am going to beat u up only this time it is I am going to invade your country.

I don't believe what a friend told me the other day. Evidently Bush had promised oil to a few people and we were going to go in and occupy the country of Iraq for longer than he got to. apparantly things didn't go as he had planned, cause the people he promised oil to never got the oil. wish my friend could remember what she was watching when this came out in the open. She has to take pain meds like I do and had her life destroyed by big business as well. So memory doesn't work when you want it to.

My prayers go out to all on this thread hoping that when the Prince of Peace comes we are not sitting around argueing whether or not we should bomb the next country but are living in Peace with all the world.

Again, Shawn I am sorry that I put your name down instead of Kates all the drugs I take play havoc with my memory and I thought it was your response and couldn't find it again when I looked. This time I looked to apologize for my mistake. LOL took me awhile to find it. It is too bad that people can't keep there temper when it comes to politics cause maybe we could get something accomplished.

It seems that some just don't get it. it doesn't matter what party you are for they both have problems. It is too bad that Moral issues are even brought into the political arena because they have nothing to do with running the govt. I know I left that one wide open!! well bring it on I have nothing better to do.
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#232 Consumer Comment

Daniel, Read, for the love of God, Read

AUTHOR: Joshua - (U.S.A.)

Recent polls in Iraq show that between 63% and 80% of Iraqis wants us to leave. Also, you stated that countries are freed by the blood of soldiers. But our country was freed by the blood of OUR soldiers. Why he hell didn't the Iraqi's fight for their own freedom? The issue itself isn't even Iraq, it is the lies that took us there. It is the lies about WMDs and al Qeada ties which the 9/11 Commission report confirmed were non-existant. Also, the Senate Report admits that the Bush administration "misinterpreted" intelligence by ignoring information contradictory to their reasons of WMDs and al Qeada ties. Richard Clark, head of counter-terrorism, even said that bush told him to find a way to tie the 9/11 incident to Iraq. Of course, you don't know this because you obviously don't read.

Also, if Bush truly thinks it is our job to be liberators and make this world a better place then why Iraq and not North Korea? After all, the US Dept of Intnl' Human Rights declared Kim Jong, dictator of North Korea the world's worst human rights violator, Saddam being 3rd place. Yet, Collin Powell on a recent "Meet the Press" appearance said we are going to be diplomatic with NK and their WMDs and didn't even mention confronting them on their human rights issues. Also, Bush himself is friends with the Saudi royal family who lead the world in Public head choppings at Chop-chop square in Riyahad and it has been proven that terrorist funding has come from Saudi embassies. Why don't we attack them without UN permission also?

Also, get out of America? I LOVE THAT STATEMENT! It is the epidemy is narrow mindedness. Whenever I hear that I picture a drunk redneck going, "'round here we do whatever the president says and think whatever he tells us to think, you don't like it then leave." HAHA Lord knows we wouldn't want people having opinions now would we? For your information, Theodore Roosevelt once said "To announce that there should be no criticism of the president, or that we are to stand by the presidnet, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but treasonable to the American public."

Michael Moore created a film with a point of view in order to make a point. A film without a point is pointless. The idea of the film is that it informs people of information they would not otherwise know inciting them to do their own research and make their own decisions. I do not even see why this is rip-off report. Millions of Americans have payed to see the film and gave it great reviews. Hell, it won the Cannes film festival award. It was worth my $8.00.

Go ahead Daniel, now spew some more ignorant hate. I wont respond, you can have the last word.
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#233 Consumer Comment

Daniel, not only do I not feel as if I were...

AUTHOR: Debbie - (U.S.A.)

wrong but I also do not feel as if I were hostile on any level. I was just stating the facts according to how I percieve your opinions. I also, to be truly honest here feel you are a coward. And to cover for the cowardess you attack others. I feel sorry for you as I can tell you have recieved the good old Republican education. Now just so you are very well informed this IS an attack. I have to wonder if you rode the short happy bus when you attended school? Your intellect is lacking and I mistook that for stupidity. It is obviously an I.Q. problem instead.
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#234 Consumer Comment

Daniel, not only do I not feel as if I were...

AUTHOR: Debbie - (U.S.A.)

wrong but I also do not feel as if I were hostile on any level. I was just stating the facts according to how I percieve your opinions. I also, to be truly honest here feel you are a coward. And to cover for the cowardess you attack others. I feel sorry for you as I can tell you have recieved the good old Republican education. Now just so you are very well informed this IS an attack. I have to wonder if you rode the short happy bus when you attended school? Your intellect is lacking and I mistook that for stupidity. It is obviously an I.Q. problem instead.
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#235 Consumer Comment

Daniel, not only do I not feel as if I were...

AUTHOR: Debbie - (U.S.A.)

wrong but I also do not feel as if I were hostile on any level. I was just stating the facts according to how I percieve your opinions. I also, to be truly honest here feel you are a coward. And to cover for the cowardess you attack others. I feel sorry for you as I can tell you have recieved the good old Republican education. Now just so you are very well informed this IS an attack. I have to wonder if you rode the short happy bus when you attended school? Your intellect is lacking and I mistook that for stupidity. It is obviously an I.Q. problem instead.
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#236 Consumer Comment

And the winner is...DANIEL! Vicki, I'm on YOUR side

AUTHOR: Shawn Marie - (U.S.A.)

Well Daniel! You WIN! You have proved that hatred abounds in the good ole U.S. of A. All you do is throw names at anyone who doesn't think like you.

Your replies when I asked what YOU are personally doing for our country were something like, "I would go if I got drafted" and "I got married young" are scapegoat answers, you realize. There IS NO DRAFT!!! And lots of people who are married fight for their country.

I don't have to say more to spell out what kind of person you are. Your writing says it all.



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#237 Consumer Comment

Poor poor debbie, when people are wrong and have to way to prove them selves they get hostile

AUTHOR: Daniel - (U.S.A.)

why are you getting so mad debbie? oh yeah, iforgot, when people are wrong and have to way to prove them selves they get hostile. thanks for expressing your useless opinion in your little fit of hate! You prove what liberals are made of, lies, greed, and animosity. have a good day!
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#238 Consumer Comment

"I believe the best prediction of future behavior is past behavior"?

AUTHOR: Vickie - (U.S.A.)

If,past behavior is a predictor Shawn then, had we all known that Bush had run from his duty in the service and never showed up for nearly two years, we would not have voted him in office. oh thats right he was never voted in. He lied to Judges during his drinking era he lost all his businesses and had to sell them quick because they were failing, sound familiar? He is losing the war because he didn't have a plan at all on how to end this occupation in IRAQ. He wasn't able to make it on his own in the business world how come you think he can make it as a President?

Both parties are trying to make it so that Ralph Nader can't even get on the ballot. Wouldn't it be funny if we all just cast write in votes for Hillary? Or voted for Mr. Nador? After seeing him talk on cspan today He at least has a plan for how to get this country back to its roots. He doesn't take money from any businesses so that he has no favors to take care of when elected to office like the other two do. The only problem is there isn't enough people that know what he is really all about and by voting for him it will put Bush and Cheney right back in office making money off of their investments illegally. Marco is right it has always been about oil and money. We are in Iraq illegally congress is the only body of Government that can declare war. Read up on your constitution. Our founding fathers didn't want any one branch of Government to have too much power there are checks and balances that are supposed to stop us from going to war. Justice at the gate . org may be a site you may want to visit I haven't had a chance to go there yet. Hopefully it tells everything needed to show you all the rights that are going to be taken away from us if the wrong Judges get put in office. Hopefully, I will not have over a hundred emails in my in box cause I really don't wanna have them there. I am just too curious to see who is calling who names this time. Deb have been saying prayers for others like you who have lost husbands and children in this God forsaken time.

I don't believe the latest tactic has been to say that if Kerry gets voted in then we will get bombed again. If Bush gets voted back in they won't bomb us?? How ridiculous. Nobody can predict that. just goes to show who our VP really is.

By the way where was Cheney the last three years? I never heard his name until the race for President began. He must have been too busy counting the money he was getting from Haliburton.
If you really want to know why Kerry and others didnt' vote for certain bills find out what was tacked on the bill and why Senators and Congressman didn't vote for the 87 billion. How about the first time our troops have had to have their own gear and their own plane tickets home? How about the pay cut to their families back home? They didn't even have enough masks for our troops here so that they didn't breathe in some chemicals when the got to Iraq. Parents around here had to buy stuff for our boys in the 1133rd national guard unit. They also were being asked to pay extra for their health insurance. Some President, Sorry little boy we just didn't have enough gas masks to go around its too bad your daddy had to breathe that in and won't be coming home ever again. HE LIES TO YOU IT IS ALL ABOUT MONEY!!!!!! And what he can get for going to war!!!!!!!!

hopefully I can now learn to delete my emails.
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#239 Consumer Comment

Daniel I can no longer stand your stupidity. Have you really paid attention to the numbers of not only men but women who are married serving in Iraq?

AUTHOR: Debbie - (U.S.A.)

Have you really paid attention to the numbers of not only men but women who are married serving in Iraq? Up until today I didn't know being married young was to constitute exclusion from Bush nonsense. Had I known this my son may still be alive. How you have enlightened me today. Men who are stupid and get married young do not have to fight for this country just walk around talking S**T to those who are opposed to it. Got it thanks for the information....I guess that is catagorized under the need to know basis file.
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#240 Consumer Comment

Murderous? Daniel, YOU are Murderous! I picture you in a white sheet.

AUTHOR: Shawn Marie - (U.S.A.)

Thank you Pamela! Well said! And DANIEL my dearest, so what you're saying is that Bush should send out our troops to all the countries where men are killing innocent citizens? Let's name a few....how about ALL the African countries where women are molested, infected with HIV, where their husbands are killed for ethnic cleansing purposes?

How about Thailand and a list of other countries where young girls are exploited at the hands of men who use them for money--who ultimately die, who are beat, killed? Shall we send our troops to those countries Daniel and beat them up? So more people can die for that cause too?

What you think is a good way to liberate people (barging in and killing) is basically the same kind of behavior shown by those you want to kill. And look at these latest killings of hostages.

I personally blame you for their deaths--you are just as murderous as George Bush Jr. I pity your wife/girlfriend--perhaps you like to slap her around when she talks back? Are you also a member of the NRA? How about the KKK? I picture you in a white sheet.
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#241 Consumer Comment

These brave men deserve our support, and so does their commander(Bush).

AUTHOR: Daniel - (U.S.A.)

Murderers? bush? i laugh when i read your posting. Pull americans out? you can't be serious can you? if so you have some serious mental health problems.

If we pulled out they would seek revenge and have a clear shot at american soil, while our soldiers are over there, we are keeping the terrorist at bay for the time being, until they have been overthrown, there is alot of evil in that city, many anti-americans who hate the fact that we are taking action, stopping them from their wicked gas chambers, their rapings, their way of life is greed, killing, and they hate the fact that someone has stepped in to take charge.

I've recently talked to a friend of mine who's home from Iraq for the next few weeks, and he can't wait to go back, to help support his country and his comrad's, I would have taken his same path had i not gotten married so young.

I would go if i were drafted, because i look back at history and the only reason we are free today is because we sacrificed our lives for the sake of future freeedom! we cannot let our forefathers down and let some terrorists do whatever they want with this country, so it is necessary that we stay there where the terrorists are, these men are risking their lives by living in the terrorists home towns, keeping them away from america and focused on our soldiers instead.

These brave men deserve our support, and so does their commander(Bush). May be hard to take in for the closed minded liberal moore followers but yes, what's taking place right now is why you go to sleep everynight without the sound of gunfire outside your window, wondering if you'll survive the night. I respect our soldiers and our president more than ever, I've come to realize that they are the ones who go to bed, rarely, but when they do, they know that this may be their last day on earth. And they know why they're there, and they know their plan, and they know the risks, so don't blame the president for casualties of war, in war, there is death, these kids know that, and were willing because finding sadaam and taking down terrorists in iraq lets osama know that we're capable of finding him, it's only a matter of time, but pulling out of iraq gives them all a open window to attack america, and gives them all the time they need at home to make their weapons of war. while day by day we destroy and conquer more weapon bunkers, and arrest more terrorist, yesterday we captured 20 terrorists and took away many large weapons, RPG's, grenade launchers, and such. these people kill without remorse and for the future of Iraq, we are eliminating that threat more and more every day.
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#242 Consumer Comment

Daniel you are a BRAIN WASHED SHEEP! ..murderer in the name of Bush's GREED! 9/11 was murderous enough by his hands!

AUTHOR: Pamela - (U.S.A.)

YES Pull our troops out of Iraq! If that have happened there would have not been any US POW's or US lives lost! Keeping them there makes YOU a murderer in the name of Bush's GREED! 9/11 was murderous enough by his hands! The last thing needed to be done was to send troops to Iraq in the first place out of first choice! Military cuts, healthcare crisis, the ECONOMY, and troops dying in Iraq is all murder by the hands of Bush! How "American" is that????? I don't think you are brainwashed, I think you are a member from the Bush camp patrolling these boards to make greedy, murderous Bush look "innocent"!
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#243 Consumer Comment

commies and liberals, not americans

AUTHOR: Daniel - (U.S.A.)

How dare you shawn call yourself a true american. Pull our troops out of Iraq? Thats literal suicide! Their way of life is killing, so you say that's right? We shouldn't do anything about it? I'd NEVER stoop to your level and tolerate innocent deaths in other countries if i were president, obviously cold blooded killers don't bother you commie's very much, I didn't think they would. You obviously show that you have no heart in your past responses, so i'll let them speak for themselves.
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#244 Consumer Comment

Shameful Behavior. This is still America. We have the right to free speech.

AUTHOR: Kate - (U.S.A.)

What people don't realize is the responsibility that goes hand in hand with that right.
I may not agree with WHAT you say, but I will fight to the death to retain America's Bill of Rights. Every last one of them.

I am a Republican. I believe that people who can help others, have an obligation to do so.
I believe that when my father paid for the war effort in his time and his father before him - I have no right to cry over the tab for this war on terrorism.

We lay our heads down at night to the sound of crickets instead of gunfire.

Our children don't know where the mass graves are with their family members in them.
Our children have never been indoctrinated with the knowledge that they should never talk about the graves or ask where their people went when they disappear.

We have the right to walk into a church every week. And sit down, publicly, to worship. That isn't happening in too many places. But it's happening here.

I believe I throw away more food every week than many families see in months. And I believe they'd think what I throw out is a feast.

I believe this is the greatest nation on the planet. I believe that I am my brothers keepers.
I believe that terrorists want to do away with our way of life. I believe they hate us and want to kill us. Because we are Americans. Nothing else.

I don't believe you can budget a response to this kind of irrational hate.

I don't believe you can bury your head in the sand and hope they'll go away. They won't.
I believe we need a leader who believes in going after the problem - relentlessly - until the battle is won.

Before it is brought to American soil again.
I also know Michael Moores' past performance. He did a little piece on Flint, Michigan after the auto manufacturer's pulled out.

It cost the manufacturers a great deal to start over somewhere else - but the union labor prices had gotten so out of control that they couldn't afford to stay in that area. Then Michael Moore went and interviewed the people who were upset that the gravy train had pulled out.

I don't believe that it should cost somebody $42.00 an hour to have a guy put wheels on a car. I don't think you can do business that way. And businesses are trying to make a product to sell, to make a profit.

Michael Moore took answers out of sequence to the questions that were asked and pieced together a film that even the people who were in the film disagreed with. They said it was a lie.
I believe the best predictor of future behavior is past behavior.

And I know Michael's past behavior was misrepresentative of the facts - intentionally.
I have no reason to think he's had a spiritual or moral awakening.

Do your research. Pray over the matter. Get out and vote on November 2.
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#245 Consumer Comment

Shameful Behavior. This is still America. We have the right to free speech.

AUTHOR: Kate - (U.S.A.)

What people don't realize is the responsibility that goes hand in hand with that right.
I may not agree with WHAT you say, but I will fight to the death to retain America's Bill of Rights. Every last one of them.

I am a Republican. I believe that people who can help others, have an obligation to do so.
I believe that when my father paid for the war effort in his time and his father before him - I have no right to cry over the tab for this war on terrorism.

We lay our heads down at night to the sound of crickets instead of gunfire.

Our children don't know where the mass graves are with their family members in them.
Our children have never been indoctrinated with the knowledge that they should never talk about the graves or ask where their people went when they disappear.

We have the right to walk into a church every week. And sit down, publicly, to worship. That isn't happening in too many places. But it's happening here.

I believe I throw away more food every week than many families see in months. And I believe they'd think what I throw out is a feast.

I believe this is the greatest nation on the planet. I believe that I am my brothers keepers.
I believe that terrorists want to do away with our way of life. I believe they hate us and want to kill us. Because we are Americans. Nothing else.

I don't believe you can budget a response to this kind of irrational hate.

I don't believe you can bury your head in the sand and hope they'll go away. They won't.
I believe we need a leader who believes in going after the problem - relentlessly - until the battle is won.

Before it is brought to American soil again.
I also know Michael Moores' past performance. He did a little piece on Flint, Michigan after the auto manufacturer's pulled out.

It cost the manufacturers a great deal to start over somewhere else - but the union labor prices had gotten so out of control that they couldn't afford to stay in that area. Then Michael Moore went and interviewed the people who were upset that the gravy train had pulled out.

I don't believe that it should cost somebody $42.00 an hour to have a guy put wheels on a car. I don't think you can do business that way. And businesses are trying to make a product to sell, to make a profit.

Michael Moore took answers out of sequence to the questions that were asked and pieced together a film that even the people who were in the film disagreed with. They said it was a lie.
I believe the best predictor of future behavior is past behavior.

And I know Michael's past behavior was misrepresentative of the facts - intentionally.
I have no reason to think he's had a spiritual or moral awakening.

Do your research. Pray over the matter. Get out and vote on November 2.
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#246 Consumer Comment

Shameful Behavior. This is still America. We have the right to free speech.

AUTHOR: Kate - (U.S.A.)

What people don't realize is the responsibility that goes hand in hand with that right.
I may not agree with WHAT you say, but I will fight to the death to retain America's Bill of Rights. Every last one of them.

I am a Republican. I believe that people who can help others, have an obligation to do so.
I believe that when my father paid for the war effort in his time and his father before him - I have no right to cry over the tab for this war on terrorism.

We lay our heads down at night to the sound of crickets instead of gunfire.

Our children don't know where the mass graves are with their family members in them.
Our children have never been indoctrinated with the knowledge that they should never talk about the graves or ask where their people went when they disappear.

We have the right to walk into a church every week. And sit down, publicly, to worship. That isn't happening in too many places. But it's happening here.

I believe I throw away more food every week than many families see in months. And I believe they'd think what I throw out is a feast.

I believe this is the greatest nation on the planet. I believe that I am my brothers keepers.
I believe that terrorists want to do away with our way of life. I believe they hate us and want to kill us. Because we are Americans. Nothing else.

I don't believe you can budget a response to this kind of irrational hate.

I don't believe you can bury your head in the sand and hope they'll go away. They won't.
I believe we need a leader who believes in going after the problem - relentlessly - until the battle is won.

Before it is brought to American soil again.
I also know Michael Moores' past performance. He did a little piece on Flint, Michigan after the auto manufacturer's pulled out.

It cost the manufacturers a great deal to start over somewhere else - but the union labor prices had gotten so out of control that they couldn't afford to stay in that area. Then Michael Moore went and interviewed the people who were upset that the gravy train had pulled out.

I don't believe that it should cost somebody $42.00 an hour to have a guy put wheels on a car. I don't think you can do business that way. And businesses are trying to make a product to sell, to make a profit.

Michael Moore took answers out of sequence to the questions that were asked and pieced together a film that even the people who were in the film disagreed with. They said it was a lie.
I believe the best predictor of future behavior is past behavior.

And I know Michael's past behavior was misrepresentative of the facts - intentionally.
I have no reason to think he's had a spiritual or moral awakening.

Do your research. Pray over the matter. Get out and vote on November 2.
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#247 Consumer Comment

Shameful Behavior. This is still America. We have the right to free speech.

AUTHOR: Kate - (U.S.A.)

What people don't realize is the responsibility that goes hand in hand with that right.
I may not agree with WHAT you say, but I will fight to the death to retain America's Bill of Rights. Every last one of them.

I am a Republican. I believe that people who can help others, have an obligation to do so.
I believe that when my father paid for the war effort in his time and his father before him - I have no right to cry over the tab for this war on terrorism.

We lay our heads down at night to the sound of crickets instead of gunfire.

Our children don't know where the mass graves are with their family members in them.
Our children have never been indoctrinated with the knowledge that they should never talk about the graves or ask where their people went when they disappear.

We have the right to walk into a church every week. And sit down, publicly, to worship. That isn't happening in too many places. But it's happening here.

I believe I throw away more food every week than many families see in months. And I believe they'd think what I throw out is a feast.

I believe this is the greatest nation on the planet. I believe that I am my brothers keepers.
I believe that terrorists want to do away with our way of life. I believe they hate us and want to kill us. Because we are Americans. Nothing else.

I don't believe you can budget a response to this kind of irrational hate.

I don't believe you can bury your head in the sand and hope they'll go away. They won't.
I believe we need a leader who believes in going after the problem - relentlessly - until the battle is won.

Before it is brought to American soil again.
I also know Michael Moores' past performance. He did a little piece on Flint, Michigan after the auto manufacturer's pulled out.

It cost the manufacturers a great deal to start over somewhere else - but the union labor prices had gotten so out of control that they couldn't afford to stay in that area. Then Michael Moore went and interviewed the people who were upset that the gravy train had pulled out.

I don't believe that it should cost somebody $42.00 an hour to have a guy put wheels on a car. I don't think you can do business that way. And businesses are trying to make a product to sell, to make a profit.

Michael Moore took answers out of sequence to the questions that were asked and pieced together a film that even the people who were in the film disagreed with. They said it was a lie.
I believe the best predictor of future behavior is past behavior.

And I know Michael's past behavior was misrepresentative of the facts - intentionally.
I have no reason to think he's had a spiritual or moral awakening.

Do your research. Pray over the matter. Get out and vote on November 2.
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#248 Consumer Comment

Michael Moore the Only Man with a Plan

AUTHOR: Marco - (U.S.A.)

It saddens me to read these comments from people who have "no clue" to what is going on in this world.

Its about oil, money, oil, money, oil, money, oil, money...

Are any of you uneducated folks starting to see?
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#249 Consumer Comment

Daniel--see why I am a liberal and not a conservative? Your hostility is a dead giveaway!

AUTHOR: Shawn Marie - (U.S.A.)

In response to your suggestion that I leave the country, and to your name calling, I won't start hurling names back at you because it would mean that I'd have to stoop to your level, which I just won't do.

You said you're working toward the "greater good" of our country. In your next sentence you say you have friends in Iraq--blah blah blah--just what are YOU contributing besides leaving messages on message boards that sound nasty and mean? It doesn't sound like you do much except sound like a bully (...get your communist a*s out of America?)

What I do is work toward keeping my community a nice place to live in. I volunteer if I can, I volunteer for my daughter's school, I teach her how not to be a bully in this world and how to respect all people from all over the world. I teach her how to be a pacifist and not someone who will fight, unless she NEEDS to defend herself. I teach her humility, I teach her how to empathize, I teach her how to survive.
You can bash Michael Moore all you want but I'm thankful that we have freedom of speech so that Michael Moore can continue to enlighten us.
I am very pleased that Saddam Hussein was overtaken. But how long ago was that? He's been captured now so let's bring the troops home!!!!!
Now you will want to get the last word in so you go for it!
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#250 Consumer Comment

if you want to have the government run by liars and theives then be my guest vote

AUTHOR: Vickie - (U.S.A.)

I am done with this thread I no longer want my email full because of people calling each other names and not respecting others opinions. Just because someone disagrees with you does not make them a communist!!!!

Daniel if you want to have the government run by liars and theives then be my guest vote. You have that right and so do I. I am not a communist just because I believe that we should have planned this invasion a little better than our Govt. did.

In all actuallity we should invaded Iran and Saudi Arabia while we are at it. Hell why not just go and invade anyone who is not doing what we tell them to do. Don't forget Korea and Sudan while we are at it. They are killing innocents while we are all complaining about someone elses point of view in our nice little corner of the world we have created for ourselves.

I am not sorry for believing that the Government is lying to us even John McCain from AZ said it the other day. BUSH IS LYING TO THE AMERICAN PEOPLE he said, they just showed him on CNN. He agrees it should stop. And he is a REPUBLICAN SENATOR.

DO any of you watch the news?? I watch more than just the local news I also watch cnn,the 700 club and anything I can watch. I am not able to work so I get to watch it over and over and see many opinions and truths. This is not by my choice believe me. I would rather be working and living a normal life like everyone else. All thanks to big business and the republicans messing with workers rights. I can never work again because of big business and there getting what they want whenever they want it. That is what republicans are for they make arrangements with big business to back them and vote for them and in response they make it impossible for the little guy to get ahead. If my being a democrat because I don't want big business running my country makes me a communist then so be it. Just because you are a republican or a democrat does not mean you are a liberal or conservative either. I believe in doing what is right. If that makes me a communist in your eyes Daniel, then you better go look up the meaning of the word.

I am so sick of the name calling and disrespectful attitudes of the people on this thread I WANT MY EMAIL OFF THE LIST.

We are all allowed to have an opinion and if you think your opinion is the ONLY RIGHT ONE then you are mistaken.

I don't want assault rifles to be allowed at all. Not only because there is no reason to have them but because allowing them to be sold in the US only makes it easier for the terrorists to get them while they are here. It is harder to smuggle them in when they are crossing our southern borders illegally. The dessert is not the place to be carrying anything except the water you need to get through it. So does my not wanting them sold here make me a communist?? Does my not wanting to be lied to make me a communist?

Daniel how long our our fathers, sons, mothers, and daughters supposed to stay in Iraq and defend the Iraqi people when their own soldiers run and hide when trouble comes? They don't want to even sign up to defend their own families. They surely don't want to defend their own country. Why should we continue to defend them? Why not just divide their country up and let each group have their own piece of the pie and we get our people out to somewhere that really needs our attention and wants us there. If they don't like that idea then why not just go in and bomb any area that is not conforming? Kill them all then we don't have to worry about it. Just give them fair warning you either stop the fighting or we will end it all for you. THe innocents then have time to get out. Same thing isn't it? If they can't learn to live together without us there then we sure can't make them with us there either.

It seems to me Sudan is killing their own people too shouldn't we be there helping them before it is too late? It is not our business to tell people how to live their lives!! I believe they have already decided that Iran was a bigger nuclear threat than Iraq and so Is Korea so what do we do about it?? We invade Iraq because Hussein threatened HW"s daddy.
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#251 Consumer Comment

Daniel IS Robert! ..probably works in the Bush administration and paid to patrol boards such as these!

AUTHOR: Sherry - (U.S.A.)

No one is crazy to believe that the Iraqis "Love" US invasion as they create victims (including children) all in the name of GREED and BUSH; but ROBERT! He probably works in the Bush administration and paid to patrol boards such as these!
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#252 Consumer Comment

The iraqi's whom have been liberated love us, the ones who don't, including you i assume hate us for taking action

AUTHOR: Daniel - (U.S.A.)

wake up and smell the coffee? I believe you apperently haven't done that your entire life. are you enlisted? would you shed your blood? if there were a draft i would have no shame fighting for a greater cause, and no it's no "blasting in" another country to make money. The iraqi's whom have been liberated love us, the ones who don't, including you i assume hate us for taking action, for stopping one of their countries top terrorists, it is true others may and will rise up in his place, but we will be there to take him down, leaders like sadaam hate having a country like america, a country who actually reaches out and helps others, have you ever done that? reading your response makes me think otherwise, besides sitting behind your computer defending the evil of this world, what else can you do for you community? or humanity itself? I'm working towards the greater good, i have many friends, in iraq, afghanistan, and japan, all fighting, keeping peace, and defending our treaties with other countries so they don't have another chance to rise up against us like pearl harbor. if i could sum up michael moore's pathetic life, it would be...."hi i'm mike moore, I make movies to prove our governments corrupt, oh by the way, there's less that one fact in that movie but i know alot of liberals will take it all in as the truth and i'll cause alot of fights, that's what i'm hoping for, more publicity and more money for me! yay! but i donate it all to cherity, that is i donate all that i have left over after buying by multi million dollar house and multi million dollar summer home in michigan, but i don't do it for the money". THis idiot is making money off 911 and won't admit it, he's putting false ideas in the minds of the liberals, literally turning them into communists, so I will say again, get you communist a*s out of america!!!!!!!!!!!
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#253 Consumer Comment

Daniel from Bountiful, you willing to shed YOUR blood for the sake of a better Iraq?

AUTHOR: Shawn Marie - (U.S.A.)

Hey Daniel,
What are YOU doing for America? Are you enlisted? Did you serve in the military? Are you willing to shed YOUR blood for the sake of a better Iraq? Do you really believe that the majority of the Iraq population agrees with our troops being in THEIR country--a country that George Bush is trying, but will fail, to liberate? Do you really think that once this is over there will not be another Saddam Hussein? Do you really think the Iraqi people want an Americanized Iraq? You should wake up and smell the coffee pal. If you really think war is the answer to the world's problems then you are just as evil as Saddam Hussein. A lot of civilians, many of them women and children, died while we were hunting down Mr. Hussein. Are you saying it had to be done that way? That we had to blast in there because George Bush Jr. said so? And on what basis? Lies about weapons of mass destruction? Hmmmm....what's wrong with that picture? When it's all over, shall we go and blast North Korea?
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#254 Consumer Comment

A very funny topic if you think about it

AUTHOR: Daniel - (U.S.A.)

Michael Moore a hero? If I may quote my friend, "Michael Moore shows the truth and all bush does is stay away from saudi arabia so he can get money from oil, Michael Moore is an honest man with good intentions." One word for that, BULL. Recently in my hometown we had the NON privelage of having a nice liberal communist speak, aka michael moore. He requested 40 thousand dollars just to come speak!! who's trying to make money here? on the other hand sean hannity spoke asking for nothing but a plane ticket in. looks to me like the liberal left wing is trying to make a proffit off this election, just like they're accusing bush of doin!!! Hypocrisy at its finest I think. Oh but Bush is a warmonger, he just went into iraq knowing he'd win and since people like winning wars he thought he'd win the election that way. Why don't we ask the iraqi's who now have schools, running water, and power, and a safer place to sleap now that iraq and the sadam regim is out of power. Sadam and his sons killed thousands upon thousands of innocent lives, and yes so have our solders but you need to look forward to the future of iraq. We would not be a free country if innocent blood was not shed. You go tell those liberated iraqi's that Bush is a warmonger and they will spit in your face, say that to me and i'll do the same. Why are you mad? because we finally have a president who did something? war is never free, NO OTHER COUNTRY WILL HELP iraq or any other country who's empowered by evil such as sadam, just like the old days of hitler. Which sadaam and his sons were growing up in his image. Our dying soldiers know what they're up against, that's why there hasnt' been a draft, they are willing to serve and to dethrone the evil of other countrys. Sadaam had to be taken out sooner or later, as will Osama in his own due time. If you hate Bush, and love Michael Moore, DO US ALL A FAVOR AND GET THE HELL OUT OF AMERICA. you're doing nothing but creating problems within the country, you're turning this great nation against itself with your constant nagging at the president for his flaws. OH NO!!! our president isn't perfect! We must obey FH 911(the mockumentary) and it's idiotic creator and turn against america, we must follow him as mindless zombies and believe everything we hear on tv. Me myself, I'm a true American, I love the country, and whoever leads it, unlike you liberals who have your head so far up Michael moore's backside you can't see your own mistakes but only those of our commander in cheif, who happens to be human therefore entitled to not be PERFECT!
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#255 Consumer Comment

Assult ban?

AUTHOR: Loretta - (U.S.A.)

The fact that someone is so outraged by this ban expiring tells me you likley don't even know what it is. It is the diffrence between rapid fireing 13 rounds(legal) and rapid fireing 14 rounds(ban).
The reason no one was paying much attention is because most politicans Republican and Democrat no that it really makes no diffrence. You can make a legal weapon into ban weapon in less than 30 seconds. People who are going to do that really don't give a crap who banned what.

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I would not inflict it on others.

FINALLY, HOW IN THE HELL DO YOU GET THESE PEOPLE TO STOP SENDING YOU 50 EMAILS A DAY. I WANT OUT!
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#256 REBUTTAL Individual responds

A Tad Bit Too off The Track!!!!

AUTHOR: Robert - (U.S.A.)

Hello and Greetings,
I thought htis thing would have died long ago.
People, first of all, the responses have shown one very important thing.
Because of nothing but partisan politics, once again, the politicians win.
More important, and as always, the american voter is left with that "Well maybe next election feeling!".
Whoever wins this election, we all lose.
Whoever wins, the special interest and donation buddies will have to be paid off.
Neither group can say that the other is being courted by special interest.
Politicians are whores who go with anyone who is willing to pay their price.
They lie, cheat and steal. Some maybe even kill!
Politicians play sick little games with the little mans life.
Politicians will destroy anyone who gets in their way!
And right now, you know what Bush and Kerry could be doing? Talking on the phone to each other planning their next public round of He Said He Said!
Everyone just vote NO!
Elect no one.
Then the government has to shut down.
And we've seen many times that a governmentwhen shut down, especially this one is much more effective.
Stop getting into political fights over the election and start actually paying attention.
Do you want the Kerry Con? The Bush Con for 4 more years? Or do we want Ralph?
But before you vote, go get a jar of Vaseline because whoever gets in will be giving it to us good the next four years.
And guess what America, Michael Moore is making a fortune off telling his followers everything they already know.
How many of you need to watch his movies or pay to hear him speak in order to find out you don't like the ways things are?
He billed his movie as a documentary. This is supposed to mean FACTS!
Nothing, not one thing about Michael Moores movie is exactly fact. He takes facts, turns them around to make them appear like something they are not.
Michael Moore is for Michael Moore.
Other than to take money out of your pocket, what has Michael Moore done for you?
About as much as the government he screams about.
If we want better educated children, how about making sure that the teachers know what the hell they're doing.
Stop allowing schools to be day care centers.
We don't owe troublemakers an education.
A kid acts up, throw them out.
Stop messing around with kids and first teach them that they are no longer going to be getting away with anything.
For the tough kids who think they are big bad bold and bullitproof, shove a fott so far up their asses they have to open their mouth so you can untie it!
Throw the punks out so the kids who want an education can learn.
AS for political correctness, this is one of the biggest con jobs, other than the tobacco lawsuits that has ever been used against us.
Guess what people, the short version of the history of the US is this.
We didn't like England so we threw them out.
Then we made peace treaties with the indians which we broke.
We took the land from the indians as they had taken from each other.
Only we made it permanent!
As for us taking land from Mexico. Screw Mexico and thier constant corrupt governments that cause millions of illegals to come across our borders.
If the Mexicans still lay claim to any US land, again, screw Mexico. They stole the land from someone else and then we stole it from them.
We should have closed the border with Mexico after some of their politicans and military leaders had a direct involvement with the death of a DEA agent.
America, if you want to b***h about something, b***h about the 8 to 10 million ILLEGAL immigrants walking around free and without fear of being picked up by law enforcement.
And the Latino groups are putting pressure on our politicians to NOT do anything about the illegal problems or it will cost them votes.
Lets see, their are groups defending the illegal immigrants and blackmailing our politicans to not stop the problem.
And they want to increase their numbers to fight off any challenge by say whites and blacks.
Immigrants who become citizens and then put together groups that support, protect and defend millions of illegal immigrants,,,,CRIMINALS!
They say they're Americans but they are doing nothing but trying to increase their numbers to make us the minority!
And many Americans wonder just why there are so many Hate Groups in this country.
Not racists, just simple fact.
We're caught up in arguing with each other to the point where nothing, and I mean nothing gets done to help the average man.
And in 2008, the same crap is going to be getting discussed.
Just like every year before.
Putting it simply, if politicans were so good and honest, why then is this country as screwed as it is?
Just vote NO!
Of all the postings to this report, only one actually made me angry.
AND THAT WAS THE POSTING FORM BOZ-TEXINO!
bOZ, YOU SCREWED WITH THE WRONG PERSON. YOU JOINED ONLY TO CAUSE TROUBLE AND TO PISS PEOPLE OFF.
CONGRATULATIONS YOU SICK F%$#!
TO SHOW YOU MY COMPLETE REVULSION FOR WHAT YOU DO,I TRACKED YOU DOWN AND HAVE POSTED YOUR COMPLETE HISTORY ON A WEBSITE THAT WILL USE THE INFORMATION ABOUT YOU TO THIER FULLEST.
I SEND OUT YOUR NAME, ADDRESS AND PHONE NUMBER IN ALL MY EMAILS.
I WANT TO GET YOU AND YOUR LITTLE BUSINESS THERE A BIG HELPING HAND.
AND WHAT BETTER WAY THAN TO REVEAL THE NAMES OF PEOPLE LIKE YOU TO THE GENERAL PUBLIC.

And people, in closing, Freedom of Speech is one of every person's basic human rights.
But that freedom doesn't include protection from your words.
And in my trying to prevent any theatre from showing this movie, it wasn't anything but me exercising my right to free speech.
Yet I was called A Communists, Facists and my favorite "A Hater"!
And stop telling me about jobs going overseas, but someone post something in black and white.
Not even Fox has used anything to back up this claim of losing jobs overseas!
Health Care, its not Bush's job.
Why not try a new approach and start screaming at the actual companies that provide health insurance.
Afterall, when last I checked, the President didn't have any health care providers businesses!
If everyone wants affordable and good healthcare, start pressuring your Senators to have Tort Reform.
Demand it.
Cut big lawsuit settlements and doctors can afford mal-practice insurance.
We need to stop the Trial Lawyers Association from further sending this country into a hell it won't soon recover from.
Stop bitching about Bush/Kerry and hit the real issues.
Illegal immigrants are choking our cities.
They have burdened our health care system and States are suffering.
Whats worse, illegal immigrants can get help when an American Family can't.
People, stop wasting time arguing about which one will do this or that for their party.
Screw the party.
Do for America!
And Marco, seems you're the only one bitching about being an ex-GI and against Bush.
Talk to MM Marco. Maybe you can be in his next movie.
Bet some of your Marine Buddies won't give you such a warm welcome if you ever go back.
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#257 Consumer Comment

Michael Moore is a HERO!!!!

AUTHOR: Pamela - (U.S.A.)

Bush Supporters HATE America's Freedom! Only ones who expect America to stand along side to the murderous and greedy decisions of Bush, are the dictarorish haters of America! Who cares if the festival attendees applauded to HOURS! The fact is the movie grossed in MILLIONS and many MANY Americans know about the cruel and greedy Bush regime! People who experienced job loss, loved ones loss in war because of greedy, evil Bush LOVE America and will not stand there applauding some Bush suck up film geek who only experience having a dent in his Jag as "war experience".
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#258 Consumer Comment

Robin, Reread my post

AUTHOR: Marilynn - (U.S.A.)

Robin, read my post again.
It has nothing to do with Michael Moore's film. It has to do with the title of the film EVENT and the "cover of the book" not accurately depicting "its contents."

From the write-up you had submitted earlier, the Dallas event might better have been billed as something like, "Creative Conservatives Fight Back" or a similar caption.

Other than that, your last very articulate and thoughty commentary was much appreciated and expresses so well the thoughts of many American citizens, voters and taxpayers. It's one of the more intelligent postings to be read on these series of submissions.
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#259 Consumer Comment

Hey Bush Supporters...

AUTHOR: Shawn Marie - (U.S.A.)

Let me ask you this...

Besides having to deal with 911, what has George Bush done for this country?

Bush is for the rich and doesn't give a s**t about those of us who don't fit that description.

Bush is a war monger.

Bush doesn't care about the environment. Read this: http://www.bushgreenwatch.org/mt_archives/000050.php

Bush doesn't support women's rights and what they do with their own bodies. Check this out: http://www.thetruthaboutgeorge.com/women/

Here--read about the how Bush thinks that sending our scarce jobs overseas is a good thing--I guess it's good if you're a big shot business owner looking to save your big bucks--those are the guys who believe that money makes the world go around. http://www.election.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/02/13/opinion/main600351.shtml

Bush did not win his seat in the presidency fairly. Don't you think the disappearing ballots are suspicious? Go here to read about it... http://www.mindfully.org/Reform/Florida-Vote-Irregularities.htm
Jeb Bush is the governor--surprise, surprise!!

Now that over 1000 soldiers are dead, what is Bush doing to stop it? Nothing. Perhaps he should send his daughters.

I could go on but I know I won't make any difference. Until those of you are affected somehow, by Bush's mistakes, you won't see the light. And besides, a right winger is a right winger and there is no room for change.
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#260 Consumer Comment

Previous Post ..Its about oil, profits, oil, profits, oil, dead proletariat sons & daughters, oil, profits, are you getting the idea yet?

AUTHOR: Marco - (U.S.A.)

John and others, perhaps you should check your facts and your history.

Let me spell it out for those of you who don't seem to get it. Its about oil, profits, oil, profits, oil, dead proletariat sons & daughters, oil, profits, are you getting the idea yet?

Terrorism will not stop in this world until the US, Uk, EU and others begin apologizing to the millions of people of the world who we have harmed.

We have supported dictatorial govts since this country was formed. Others have for decades.

Lets start with the people of Iraq, Afghanistan and Uzbekistan, lets send them food, water, and some Korans to read, maybe then we will start to be forgiven.

I for one, don't read the Koran, but we have no right to infringe upon the civil liberties of others, even if you don't agree with their lifestyle.

The really sad thing is, the many people who support this "Godless" war are the same ones who keep preaching Christianity and forgiveness.
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#261 Consumer Comment

The point is for every opinion there is an equal and opposite opinion.

AUTHOR: Robin - (U.S.A.)

Marilynn,

You seem very offended that this film "Michael Moore Hates America" was aired and outraged at the venue. Why?

Both of these films claim to be "documentaries" yet they each show differing "facts". How can this be??

For every opinion, there is an equal and opposite opinion. All of them may be based on truth or part of the truth as that one person sees it. The slant is the key; the spin is the tool.

Some opinions swing far left, some swing far right. The truth most often lies somewhere in the middle. Americans have got to find that truth and it is a tougher job by the year. The media tends to slant to mirror the views of the owner(s). Find out who the media owners are and you will begin to see the light.

Start with Fox News (Rupert Murdoch gave rise to Fox News, to get you started) and work your way through all the major news channels. The media have agendas now, just as political parties do. Don't ever doubt it.

Will we get the truth from the esteemed candidates themselves? So far this campaign has consisted of one side lobbing an attack and the other side lobbing a counter-attack; the candidates spend their time lobbing or ducking and no one seems interested in forcing talk about the real issues that face Americans.

I watch these two candidates duking it out like Rock 'Em Sock 'Em robots and wonder "Is this the best America has to offer?" These men should be better than this, but I guess America enjoys blood sport too much these days. The entire country has turned into a gigantic Peyton Place crawling with voyeurs who crave every character flaw to be laid open. The issues suffer for this.

We will never have a candidate who is perfect because they are human. That is a given. No human reaches any age without something behind them that they are not too proud of. No one escapes youth without some sort of screw up. So what? We have to hope that these men have grown up since then.

I do not care what these men did thirty years ago. I do care that they have the strength of character and common sense to lead this country through some very perilous times. I am not seeing this strength in either candidate. I am not seeing this maturity in either of them.

While the Big Two Parties fight for political dominance, this country is foundering under massive corporate fraud, crime, huge taxation issues, and the constant insertion of Big Government into individual lives and freedoms.

Domestic policy seems to consist of "The one with the biggest purse wins" even if that money was gained by fraud, theft, and outright law-breaking.

I am both frightened by and disillusioned with both parties at this moment. If things do make a drastic change in the next six weeks, I will vote for neither candidate, but for any Independent that shows up on the ballot.

I am tired of being forced to choose between Tweedledum and Tweedledee every election cycle. I am tired of people in Washington who forget you and me when they get into office and immediately go to work for the betterment of themselves rather than the betterment of this country. I am tired of politicians who seem to have no working knowledge of the Constitution.

The only thing that will change my mind will come from the candidates themselves. I invite Mr. Bush or Mr. Kerry to engage us here with their positions and/or thoughts, but do not think that will happen. Perhaps some pearl of wisdom will fall from the lips of one or the other of them soon to sway me, but I have little hope of that this late in the day.

I will pray for this country with all my might, that it may survive what is being done to it. This wonderful country that was built on the ideals of inherent individual rights and freedoms (as both of these filmmakers have exercised and we exercise by posting here on this forum) is now all about the money and the power; who has it, who wants it, and who will ultimately get it.

I, personally, have had enough of watching this political circus and all the clowns in it!
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#262 Consumer Comment

Rennaissance Festival???? talk about deception......

AUTHOR: Marilynn - (U.S.A.)

Good grief!! Seventeen political propaganda films pre-arranged for viewing at an event in Dallas, which the promoter boasts was "the first conservative film festival in the nation."
What is it billed as?? American Film Renaissance Festival. Now, you talk about deception......
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#263 Consumer Suggestion

You blame the president about the Assault weapons?

AUTHOR: John - (U.S.A.)

Ok Let's get this straight? You blame the president about the Assault weapons? Wht didn't anyone hear of it until the day it expired. I think both parties let the ball drop on this one.

Kerry and his supporters can "Claim" a book is lies and try to ban it? Yet they praise Michael Moore for his lies? If the president tried to ban Morre's movie what would the democrats say?

No one knows where John Kerry stands. I am concerned with the problems buildin in Iran and in North Korea. According to Kerry if the French say no we will not do anything about them. Oh wait that was yesterday. His mouthpiece Dean is saying we should disarm Iran and North Korea butr not in the manner we did Iraq. If we go the diplomatic route kiss our way of life good bye.

These are the same people who voted in the senate to go into Iraq.......

I fear for my life if Kerry wins and the terrorists are given free reign to do what they want because he will not do anything if any country says no.

Kerry is being set up for defeat by the Clintons because if he wins then Hilary will not be able to run in 2008.
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#264 Consumer Comment

"Michael Moore Hates America" peels hide off of MM-Receives 10 minute standing ovation in Dallas!

AUTHOR: Robin - (U.S.A.)

If I remember correctly the original topic here concerned Mr. Moore's film and thoughts about it before it degenerated into political rants, name calling and mud-slinging.

Back to topic; another view of Mr. Moore is released.


Tuesday, September 14, 2004

'Michael Moore Hates America' huge hit
10-minute standing ovation for documentary at film festival

Posted: September 14, 2004
1:00 a.m. Eastern


By Ron Strom

2004 WorldNetDaily.com

"Michael Moore Hates America," a documentary that challenges the leftist filmmaker, received a huge response at the American Film Renaissance festival in Dallas, packing out two showings and eliciting a 10-minute standing ovation.

"That crowd response was bigger than anything I've seen in a theater in my life," Jim Hubbard, the co-founder of the festival, told WorldNetDaily. The festival ran from Sept. 10-12.

Hubbard said demand to see the film was so high, the theater was bursting at the seams during the second showing.

"We really packed them in," he said. "We were having to turn people away."

Hubbard says he is confident the man who made "Michael Moore Hates America," 27-year-old Mike Wilson, will secure a theatrical distributor for his work.

"They're going to get distribution," he predicted. "This thing is just too huge."

Wilson was in attendance for both showings, Hubbard said. "[The moviegoers] were treating him like a rock star."

Added Hubbard, "He really peeled the hide off of Michael Moore."

In one scene, the American soldier who lost both arms in Iraq and who was shown in Moore's Bush-bashing "Fahrenheit 9/11" said he was taken out of context in the left-wing documentary.

According to Hubbard, the soldier said in the new film he had planned to be a technical engineer and could no longer do so because he lost his arms. He emphasized, however, that if he had to do it over again, he would, because "what we're doing in Iraq is important." The soldier said he was furious about the way Moore had portrayed him in "Fahrenheit 9/11."

Hubbard noted, "Moore used the south of France [Cannes Film Festival] to launch his left-wing documentary, and we used the heartland of the country, Dallas, Texas, to launch the counterpunch. There are two conflicting moral views right there."

Other films that were popular at the festival, which Hubbard says was the first conservative film festival in the nation, included "Is it True What They Say About Ann?" a documentary about columnist Ann Coulter, "Confronting Iraq" and "Michael and Me," another film responding to Michael Moore.

"Stolen Honor," a film that tells the stories of former POWs who felt betrayed by Sen. John Kerry's 1971 testimony accusing American servicemen of war crimes, also was well-received, Hubbard said.

Hubbard says there were between 3,000 and 4,000 tickets sold altogether for the 17 films that were screened.