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Complaint Review: Michelle Wise - Internet

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Michelle Wise 2006 HARLEY DAVIDSON SOFTTAIL FATBOY CUSTOM HD - $7400 Internet, Internet

*Consumer Comment: Very difficult to catch these scammers

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 PostingID: 1647235545
PostingID: 1649174510
 
 
2006 HARLEY-DAVIDSON SOFTTAIL FATBOY CUSTOM ($7640)

CUSTOM SOFTAIL FATBOY ONLY 1066 MILES BIKE IS ALL CHROMED OUT.ALL EXTRAS WHERE INSTALLED BY DEALER.HAVE ALL ORIGINAL NEW PARTS.


wisemichelle2@gmail.com
 
I emailed her/him and received this back:
Hello, The bike is located in Philadelphia, PA and I am selling it at this price ($7640) because i just finished the divorce with my husband. The divorce is finished and I own this bike. I work as a dealer on a cruise ship and i want to sell it because I need money for other things. This bike is in excellent working condition, no scratches, flaws or any kind of damage, slightly used, in 100% working and looking conditions and comes with a clear title ready for transfer. From the beginning you have to know that for the payment I request only secure pay, I prefer the payment to be done using eBay services. Since i am working most of my time, and divorced I want the deal closed only through eBay's Buyer Protection Program in order for me and you to be 100% protected. The final price that I want for this bike is $7640. If you will take it for this price, I am willing to handle the shipping. Please get back to me asap if you decide to buy, and include in your e-mail your full name and address where you want it shipped so I can start the deal with eBay. You will receive payment and shipping details from them. I will wait your answer very soon only if you are interested to buy because i don't have any free time to waste.
Best Regards, Michelle Wise
 
I said:
You do realize that the buyer protection program only works if the motorcycle is a sold item through ebay. You will need to list the motorcycle on ebay for sale. Also, have you checked to see how much shipping and insurance would be on a motorcycle from PA to other states? I imagine this will be quite expensive and you are already taking quite a hit on the amount you are selling the bike for. It sounds like you are a really busy person. Sorry to hear about the divorce. Also, I dont know how the title transfer works between individuals in different states, do you? 
 
He/She replied with:
Hi, year :2006 - VIN: 1HD1BXB146Y027434 - 1066 miles - Engine size 1550 cc http://s870.photobucket.com/albums/ab270/hd1231/ The bike is already at the shipping company in Philadelphia, PA sealed and ready to be shipped. I'm very busy with my job so this is the reason why I chose to sell my bike over the internet. I have a contract with eBay so this deal must go through them. According with the eBay you have 5 days from the time you will receive the bike to inspect it and decide if you want to keep it or not. Here is how it will work: First of all I will need the following details from you: full name and full shipping address; After I will receive the details from you, I will forward them to eBay so they will process your info, and they will send you the invoice. In the invoice you will receive the details on how to make a refundable payment. eBay will contact me and release the shipping to you. After you receive the bike you will have 5 days to test it, verify and do whatever you need to the bike. If you decide to keep it, then I will receive the payment from eBay . If you will decide that you will not buy the bike, eBay will refund the money and I will have the shipping company come down to pick up my bike.Please get back to me asap if you decide to buy, and include in your e-mail your full name and address where you want it shipped so I can start the deal with eBay. You will receive all the transaction payment and shipping details from them. I look forward to hear from you.
Best Regards, Michelle  
 
Then I googled the VIN and found the entries on Ripoff Report.  Thank you so much for this site so that we can be protected from people like this.  How can this person be caught?

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#1 Consumer Comment

Very difficult to catch these scammers

AUTHOR: Ronny g - (USA)

POSTED: Monday, April 19, 2010

There was just another report identical to this the other day. They use ebays name to give a sense of legitimacy, then send a phony invoice that looks like it's from ebay, have the buyer send a money transfer or western union etc that won't be traced to the "seller" and is totally unprotected and non refundable. You get no bike, and no refund.

There is no reason for someone to be selling a bike like that so cheap on Craigslist and need to ship it. It would sell locally very fast. If someone wants to sell long distance, they simply advertise it on ebay if they are legit, so you can check the feedback score, comments and selling history. In addition, it costs money to sell on ebay, and they have fairly strict policies to protect buyers, regardless of what some might think.

The only way to be protected as you stated, is to purchase it through ebay, and pay via paypal. Any other way is a risk, unless you can see the vehicle in question in person before paying a dime.

As I stated in the other post regarding this fake ad, there is no such thing as a "contract" that forces anyone to sell through ebay. If anyone says that, you know it's a scam without a doubt. Anyone can cancel an ebay item at any time, for any reason,with a few clicks, There is no contract. However, if there was a winning bid and they paid, canceling at that time can lead to a negative feedback, a full refund issued to the buyer, and losing the final value fee. No legitimate seller wants that.

As far as catching these scam artists, it would take a sting operation and that costs tax payer dollars..not a lot of that left to spend..the best defense is to expose it as much as we can. Things like this can give legitimate venues such as ebay and paypal a bad name, and using ebay and paypal has proven a very safe way to buy vehicles if you know how to avoid the scam artists, check feedback, and ask the right questions. And always use paypal which actually has a real buyer protection program covering up to $50,000 so you have recourse in the event of fraud, or the item not being sold as described.

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