• Report: #297114
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Narconon Stone Hawk Rehabilitation Center

  • Submitted: Fri, January 04, 2008
  • Updated: Sun, July 22, 2012

  • Reported By:Richardson Texas
Narconon Stone Hawk Rehabilitation Center
216 ST MARY'S LAKE RD. Battle Creek, Michigan U.S.A.

Narconon Stone Hawk Rehabilitation Center Scientology Cult based drug rehab deceiving the desperate Battle Creek Michigan

*General Comment: Hi OSA!

*General Comment: Hi OSA!

*Consumer Comment: Pleasant Experience With Narconon

*Consumer Suggestion: You are not alone....

*Consumer Suggestion: Been There/Done That

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Sent my 21 year old son, a crack addict, from Texas to Michigan, in hopes of getting him professional help for his addiction. Assured the "counselors" would stay in close contact with me as my son acclamated to the program. I never received a phone call, nor had a phone call returned after many attempts to contact, leaving messages to return my calls. My son phoned me, having to sneak the phone calls, informing me about the "program" tactics. He told me they were using brainwashing technicques, having the "students" sit for hours with "eyes closed", then "eyes open". If there was a break in the trans-like state. blinking, smile, cough, any movement. the process would start all over. Once this altered state was mastered, the "students" were asked a single question, like "do birds fly", over and over again. and the "student" is to answer "yes". for hours on end. These "counseling sessions" are referred to at "Training Routines".

When I contacted Shaun Keilty, the intake "counselor", a former drug addict who had graduated from the program, and questioned about the validity of the information and the connection to Scientology, he laughed and denied the connection. After much investigation to identify the validity of the reports my son was giving me, and speaking with Jeff VanVonderen from A&E TV'S "Intervention", and Dave Touretsky, a Research Professor, who has researched the Church of Scientology and Narconon, I made the informed decision to immediately drive to Michigan and retrieve my son.

Once employees of Stone Hawk got wind I was on my way to get my son, I had a barrage of phone calls from the Ethics Officer "Andy", the intake counselor, and I don't know who else, I quite taking the calls. The phone calls were filled with insessent interrogating questions about why I was coming to get my son, where was I coming from (I thought they knew about their "students"), how I was getting there, how long it was going to take. I became very uncomfortable, and worried about the safety of my son and what I was going to run into when I did arrive at the facility.

The harrassing phone calls were made to my mother as well. When arriving in Battle Creek, I contacted the police and had 2 police officers escort me into the facility. One police officer commented that they are called quite often to escort families to the Stone Hawk facility to pick up their family member. I was able to get my son without any incident.

Once home, in Texas, I wrote a demand letter for a refund, and sent to Narconon Stone Hawk via US Postal first clas mail, certified mail, and faxed to the Stone Hawk facility as well as the business office. I have not received any response.

This drug rehab facility advertises itself as having a 75% success rate, having fully qualified and certified staff of drug rehab counselors, being scientifically sound. No counseling takes place, and the "students" are not even allowed to speak of/mention drugs let alone their addictions at any time during their stay. Money is paid upfront. $27,900 plus $200 medical acct and $200 student acct, for a 4-6 month program.

Supposedly a 50% refund is given if the "student" does not complete more than 15 days. My son was at Narconon for 11 days, no contract was signed, and no contact has been made by Narconon Stone Hawk to me, before or since my contact attempt for refunds.

Michele
Richardson, Texas
U.S.A.

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#1 General Comment

Hi OSA!

AUTHOR: River_cat - (U.S.A.)

FYI: Middle-aged Mom, and jfarris - Dwight are both Scientologist shills.
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#2 General Comment

Hi OSA!

AUTHOR: River_cat - (U.S.A.)

FYI: Middle-aged Mom, and jfarris - Dwight are both Scientologists shills.
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#3 Consumer Comment

Pleasant Experience With Narconon

AUTHOR: jfarris - (United States of America)

I went through a difficult period of my life in my late teens/early twenties.  I, like many other young people, struggled with controlling my relationship with alcohol - and it lead me deep into the world of substance abuse.  I had completely lost control of my alcohol use, and was teetering on losing my life to various drugs.

I went to Narconon very flawed, nieve and insecure.  What I learned there would forever change my life; I learned to confront people, and eventually to confront myself and the things that I had done.  Through that I gained confidence.  I also learned that my addictions were physically degrading me - and the sauna cleansing phase during the first month or so of the program was unlike any experience prior.  I felt physically relieved of those things, I felt like I had a clean slate.  I was healthier and more focused than I had been in years, after that phase of the program.

Then the remaining phases, while trite and tedious, taught me to focus my energy while having the patience and calm to get through almost anything.  As tedious as those phases seemed while doing them, you realize why when you leave; it is so you can remain calm and focused in the times when life gets difficult - the times when an addicted person might run for the bottle.  It is all a test, and when you pass you still don't even realize the profoundity of what you've accomplished, until you put it to use.

Everyone I saw that worked this program, and even some that were resistant, made great leaps in their life experience.  Narconon is definitely the one of the most rewarding experiences in my life.

As far as the scientology stuff: I am a devout Catholic and was able to attend a local Catholic church every Sunday.  They would shuttle a group of us to a Catholic church, and then there was also a non-denominational Christian church that some others went to.

*Not one single person the whole time I was at Narconon talked with me about Scientology.  Absolutely never did anyone try to recruit me to be a scientologist, or even provide any information about scientology.  That is not what Narconon is about - they are about helping people get off of drugs and to become better people.

I would definitely recommend Narconon at Stonehawk in Battle Creek MI to anyone who is struggling with drugs, or someone with a family member struggling.

Sincerely,
Jason A. Farris
Haltom City Texas USA
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#4 Consumer Suggestion

You are not alone....

AUTHOR: Anon. - (U.S.A.)

Hello, Victims of Scientology...

Many families have been torn apart by the Cult of scientology, crushed under the wheels of its overreaching "fair game" policy, and the "never defend, always attack" philosophy entrenched in them by L. Ron Hubbard.

Know this: scientology is one of the most dangerous scams in existence today. But there are groups taking a stand against this dangerous organization.

Please go to You Tube and type in "Anonymous", "Wise Beard Man", or "XenuTV", to get a visual stream of some of the groups that stand against Scientology.

Look up "Project Chanology" on the Search Engines, or simply "XenuTV". There are others, but I'm unsure as to all of them. For the love of God...look up what happened to Lisa McPherson (you tube has a video called "the unfunny truth about scientology" that features only a few of the horrible fates suffered by the victims of this brainwashing nightmare.) and judge for yourselves.

Here are families trying to reconnect with loved ones claimed by scientology, children who were raised in the nightmare life that is scientology (including David Miscaviege's neice, I believe!), and people whose lives have been irreparably scarred by getting involved in this very expensive business posing as a religion.

Knowledge is free. But to get the whole story behind scientology and all it's information it will cost the average person no less than a hundred grand. If you're wealthier, they'll tailor the expense to your income....if you're poor, no problem...you can consign yourself to a life of oppressive servitude and constant surveillance for your "audits, lessons and counsel".

If you choose to leave the "church", they blackmail you and ruin everything they can: your job, your personal life, your credit history. They trump up false allegations--even sue you if they can. "The object of litigation is to harass, more than to win", according to L. Ron Hubbard; "use their crimes against them...if they have no crimes, invent some."

Seriously...check out some of the videos and judge for yourself. There are videos and information provided by some folks who have spent years in the organization.

Also, just to be fair...for those of you who are scientologists, it is not your belief system that I stand against, it is the practice of those who support your "church" and the policies they institute.

If you want to believe the principles and the "path of enlightenment" lies in scientology, that is your choice. Really, I don't fault you for it (why should I? Other religions believe a myriad of incredible things!)...honestly, I think you should be able to enjoy your families and friends of other faiths, and to keep every cent you work for. You deserve no less than anyone else.

Thank you for hearing me out.
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#5 Consumer Suggestion

Been There/Done That

AUTHOR: Middle-aged Mom - (U.S.A.)

My daughter, like your son, is addicted to hard core stuff. As such, I think we both seek the opportunity to save their lives.

The so-called U.S. War on Drugs is one miserable financial failure and persists in a culture that embraces drugs for whatever ails us.

The world of Addiction Treament is costly and highly competitive. There are 12 Step based Programs and non 12 Step Based Programs. All tend to focus on the underlying issues, not the addiction. Most 12 step Programs spend a lot of time on the why, the motivations of self-destructive behaviors. Non-12 Step Programs tend to disregard the why and focus on the skills required to live a drug free life.

The goal of every program is sobriety. None of them guarantee a drug-free life, thereafter. What is effective for one person may not be for the next. Addiction Treatment is an art, not science.

Most addicts will resist the program, any program and manipulate their financial sponsors, usually parents, to rescue them. Some of this is drug seeking behavior and some of it is a belief that they can control their addiction, once detoxed.

Narconon is one of many non 12 Step based programs. That Narconon relies upon some of the principals of Scientology is fact. So much of this is language, a gimick. For those who can overlook the gimick, there are some serious basic lessons being taught, disciplines that those addicted to hard core drugs missed along the way. That some graduate and embrace Scientology is true. That some graduate 12 Step Programs and become 12 Step evangelists is also true. Both outcomes are superior than continued addiction.

As costly as Narconon seems, it is probably one of the most cost effective treatement programs out there, due to their open -ended program- as long as it takes, approach. The cost of the Narconon Program in its entirety, is in the ballpark of the cost of a monthly program, elsewhere.

I am not a Scientologist. I am a just a mother who wants her daughter to live a drug-fee and healthy life and hope that you find a program that works for your son.
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Been There/Done That

AUTHOR: Middle-aged Mom - (U.S.A.)

My daughter, like your son, is addicted to hard core stuff. As such, I think we both seek the opportunity to save their lives.

The so-called U.S. War on Drugs is one miserable financial failure and persists in a culture that embraces drugs for whatever ails us.

The world of Addiction Treament is costly and highly competitive. There are 12 Step based Programs and non 12 Step Based Programs. All tend to focus on the underlying issues, not the addiction. Most 12 step Programs spend a lot of time on the why, the motivations of self-destructive behaviors. Non-12 Step Programs tend to disregard the why and focus on the skills required to live a drug free life.

The goal of every program is sobriety. None of them guarantee a drug-free life, thereafter. What is effective for one person may not be for the next. Addiction Treatment is an art, not science.

Most addicts will resist the program, any program and manipulate their financial sponsors, usually parents, to rescue them. Some of this is drug seeking behavior and some of it is a belief that they can control their addiction, once detoxed.

Narconon is one of many non 12 Step based programs. That Narconon relies upon some of the principals of Scientology is fact. So much of this is language, a gimick. For those who can overlook the gimick, there are some serious basic lessons being taught, disciplines that those addicted to hard core drugs missed along the way. That some graduate and embrace Scientology is true. That some graduate 12 Step Programs and become 12 Step evangelists is also true. Both outcomes are superior than continued addiction.

As costly as Narconon seems, it is probably one of the most cost effective treatement programs out there, due to their open -ended program- as long as it takes, approach. The cost of the Narconon Program in its entirety, is in the ballpark of the cost of a monthly program, elsewhere.

I am not a Scientologist. I am a just a mother who wants her daughter to live a drug-fee and healthy life and hope that you find a program that works for your son.
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Been There/Done That

AUTHOR: Middle-aged Mom - (U.S.A.)

My daughter, like your son, is addicted to hard core stuff. As such, I think we both seek the opportunity to save their lives.

The so-called U.S. War on Drugs is one miserable financial failure and persists in a culture that embraces drugs for whatever ails us.

The world of Addiction Treament is costly and highly competitive. There are 12 Step based Programs and non 12 Step Based Programs. All tend to focus on the underlying issues, not the addiction. Most 12 step Programs spend a lot of time on the why, the motivations of self-destructive behaviors. Non-12 Step Programs tend to disregard the why and focus on the skills required to live a drug free life.

The goal of every program is sobriety. None of them guarantee a drug-free life, thereafter. What is effective for one person may not be for the next. Addiction Treatment is an art, not science.

Most addicts will resist the program, any program and manipulate their financial sponsors, usually parents, to rescue them. Some of this is drug seeking behavior and some of it is a belief that they can control their addiction, once detoxed.

Narconon is one of many non 12 Step based programs. That Narconon relies upon some of the principals of Scientology is fact. So much of this is language, a gimick. For those who can overlook the gimick, there are some serious basic lessons being taught, disciplines that those addicted to hard core drugs missed along the way. That some graduate and embrace Scientology is true. That some graduate 12 Step Programs and become 12 Step evangelists is also true. Both outcomes are superior than continued addiction.

As costly as Narconon seems, it is probably one of the most cost effective treatement programs out there, due to their open -ended program- as long as it takes, approach. The cost of the Narconon Program in its entirety, is in the ballpark of the cost of a monthly program, elsewhere.

I am not a Scientologist. I am a just a mother who wants her daughter to live a drug-fee and healthy life and hope that you find a program that works for your son.
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Been There/Done That

AUTHOR: Middle-aged Mom - (U.S.A.)

My daughter, like your son, is addicted to hard core stuff. As such, I think we both seek the opportunity to save their lives.

The so-called U.S. War on Drugs is one miserable financial failure and persists in a culture that embraces drugs for whatever ails us.

The world of Addiction Treament is costly and highly competitive. There are 12 Step based Programs and non 12 Step Based Programs. All tend to focus on the underlying issues, not the addiction. Most 12 step Programs spend a lot of time on the why, the motivations of self-destructive behaviors. Non-12 Step Programs tend to disregard the why and focus on the skills required to live a drug free life.

The goal of every program is sobriety. None of them guarantee a drug-free life, thereafter. What is effective for one person may not be for the next. Addiction Treatment is an art, not science.

Most addicts will resist the program, any program and manipulate their financial sponsors, usually parents, to rescue them. Some of this is drug seeking behavior and some of it is a belief that they can control their addiction, once detoxed.

Narconon is one of many non 12 Step based programs. That Narconon relies upon some of the principals of Scientology is fact. So much of this is language, a gimick. For those who can overlook the gimick, there are some serious basic lessons being taught, disciplines that those addicted to hard core drugs missed along the way. That some graduate and embrace Scientology is true. That some graduate 12 Step Programs and become 12 Step evangelists is also true. Both outcomes are superior than continued addiction.

As costly as Narconon seems, it is probably one of the most cost effective treatement programs out there, due to their open -ended program- as long as it takes, approach. The cost of the Narconon Program in its entirety, is in the ballpark of the cost of a monthly program, elsewhere.

I am not a Scientologist. I am a just a mother who wants her daughter to live a drug-fee and healthy life and hope that you find a program that works for your son.
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