On Track Modeling Aka The Agency ripoff deceptive company Charlotte North Carolina

TDLR News release:

Dallas Talent Agency Fined $12,500
Agreed Final Judgment and Permanent Injunction Issued

April 8, 2008
For Immediate Release
Contact: Susan Stanford
512-463-3208

AUSTIN - A Dallas talent agency ordered to pay a $12,500 fine will
also receive permanent injunction against it for violations found during
a complaint investigation by the Texas Department of Licensing and
Regulation (TDLR).

On Track Modeling, Inc., through its principal, Rickard Ecksmith,
signed the Agreed Final Judgment. The judgment requires payment of a
$12,500 fine and a permanent injunction against the company to be filed
in Dallas County District Court. The permanent injunction prohibits On
Track Modeling from operating as a talent agency unless they are
registered with the Texas Department of Licensing and Regulation. Three
agencies operated by Ecksmith are included in the orders: On Track
Modeling, Inc., d/b/a Alpha Modeling Group, d/b/a On Track Modeling
Agency.

Texas Department of Licensing and Regulation launched an investigation
into activities of On Track Modeling, and Mr. Ecksmith, on behalf of
approximately 300 Texas artists and former clients. Evidence was
conclusive the talent agency violated Texas talent agency registration
statutes and rules by unlawfully collecting advance fees,
misrepresenting services offered, and failing to maintain sufficient
financial guarantees.

This business practice is not acceptable. These artists trusted On
Track Modeling to fulfill their commitment and the agency abused that
trust. We believe our action against the company is necessary to protect
Texas consumers, states William Kuntz, TDLR executive director.

TDLR referred the investigation to the Attorney General of Texas for
enforcement and a suit was filed against On Track Modeling in early of
2007. In addition to violations of the talent agency statutes and rules
and deceptive trade practices the Attorney Generals office found On
Track Modeling repeatedly failed to protect personal information of
former clients.

I used to be a model for OTM. I fell into the trap. I heard about their open call at the Hilton here, and I went. I felt really special to be selected. But then I found out I had to pay to do my composite cards and I had to pay to use their photographers since I didn't have contact with any others.

My friend's sister is signed with Boss Models and is an actual model. She has attended several shoots for Hugo Boss as well as runway, and worked with and met various celebrities. When I discussed this with her, she told me bluntly that nobody should ever have to pay to be represented. If you have the look and what it takes your agency will pay for you to be their employee. They want to make money off of your work and the know you have what it takes to do it, but you have to have the looks, personality, and ambition to want to make that money.

I had attended a scouting over in Dallas, TX and was discussing signing with another agency in New York to do commercials since they told me I didn't have the high fashion look, I was very commercial looking. But I had to pay for acting classes and move to New York to do this. I don't have the money to move to New York or for acting classes! I'll be honest I really felt like I was took with this.

Yeah I got calls for work, I made a few dollars here and there, but for the money I spent to get there, wasn't worth the time, effort, only to find out real agencies don't require you to pay that kind of money, they pay you the money because you are what they're marketing.

Here is the real story. I work there!

RD Echsmith is the owner of OTM. He also goes by a ton of other model agency scams. Alpha Model Group, The Agency, Model and Talent Group, and so many more it's hard to say. He seems to makeup a new name whenever he feels the pressure of bad press like when his local news reported Charlottes BBB kicked him out.

He is in the business only because he cant figure out how to make as much money scamming people some other way. He used to sell cheap jewelry out of the trunk of his car but the model scam is so much better.

He does get some jobs for a few models to try to keep out of jail but he signs 10,000 models a year and only gets about 100 jobs a year. He used to get a few more than that but after stealing all the money from the booking agents they left and started their own company. Talentpoolmodels.com this seems to be a real agency and doesn't charge money to post your photos.

The people who run this scam with him are a couple guys named Mike Curlee and Kerry Killowitz both liars and criminals who have stolen money and drugs and been in trouble more times than we can tell you. They both sell for OTM and for their own companies who do the same thing by charging money and not providing any services.

You can help shut these guys down by calling or emailing your state atorny general and telling them your scam story.

A model who is just starting out should NEVER pay 400. dollars or more for photos. Plain an simple.

If you are asked to pay walk away. Never forget that.

Some agencies charge 20 to 40 dollars for their standard portfolio. That should be the extent of the upfront costs. Never pay more than that. Also you should never have to pay a signing fee.

Go to the agencies website. If they don't have one don't sign with them. Look at the type of people they have working for them. If the majority of them don't look like people you would see in high fashion magazines don't sign with them. A good agency should be selective. The better agencies will have a nicely designed site and will show their talent. If they don't have any pictures up most times that means they don't have anything or anyone to brag about. Also start from the top and work your way down. Find the best agency in your area if they don't sign you go to the second best, so on and so forth. You don't have to work from the bottom up. If the agency wants more than 20% of what you make walk away. The best agency in Denver only asks for 10%.

Also if an agency demands that you go to a specific photographer tell them to shove it and walk away. You should be able to choose a photographer for yourself, an agency should however give you a list of reputable photographers in your area.

Call the photographers and ask for pricing. If they tell you some outrageous number like 400 dollars hang up. Photography is just not that expencive any more. If the photographer is still shooting film and wants you to pay for the film and prosseing, hang up. Just don't shoot with someone who does'nt know how to use a digital camera. If consumers can use them, so can pros. At the most you should never pay more than 100$. Ask for contact sheets and CDs of the entire shoot. Don't agree to buy prints up front, wait until you get your contact sheets. Let your agency look them over to pick out the ones that suit you best. Agencys often times will pick out more than you need. Make them narow it down. You dont want to pay for prints that you wont use. If the photographer charges more than 20$ for 9x12 prints (that is the industries standard size) don't buy them you can get them much cheeper at a professional printing lab. (NOT wallmart, wallgreens, sears and those types of places. These are not professional printing labs.)
Shop around.

Student photographers are another good bet. Most work on a trade basis. If you work for free so will they. (yes you are not getting payed but you are getting free pictures for your portfolio that will get you jobs in the future) To get the best pictures make sure they go to a reputable ART COLLEGE, no high schoolers and no students that go to some big university and are just taking photography as an elective. Most times you will not get what you are looking for. If they go to a good school find out what level they are at and what their main focus is. If it is anything other than Fashion or Editorial Portraiture don't waste your time. You may have to shoot with a few before you fin a good one. If you don't get good pictures or have a bad experence the first couple of times don't get discouraged not all students are as good as others. Most times students have fresh ideas and can be more imaginative than someone who have been in the business for 30 years. Watch out for photographers who ask you to buy the clothes or pay location fees. You should never have to buy new clothes for a shoot. The photographer or stylist buys the clothes, props and location.

If you feel like ANY photographer has treated you inappropriately tell the agency and/or school that he or she attends also tell the better bussines bureau. Don't stand for it! you don't diserve to be treated like an object. Also if a photographer asks you to do nudes at the shoot with out getting your permission over the phone or durring initial contact, DO NOT do it. If the photographer pushes it leave. Always let someone protective of you know what you are doing and where you will be. Always have a way to leave, drive your own car or call a friend. If at any point you do not feel comfortable at a shoot do not hessitate to get the he!! out of there, usually your gut instinct is right.

Hope this helps you to not get ripped off in the future.

If you have any other questions or if you feel that there is something that I missed let me know.

Jamie~ Professional Fashion Photographer and Model.

A model who is just starting out should NEVER pay 400. dollars or more for photos. Plain an simple.

If you are asked to pay walk away. Never forget that.

Some agencies charge 20 to 40 dollars for their standard portfolio. That should be the extent of the upfront costs. Never pay more than that. Also you should never have to pay a signing fee.

Go to the agencies website. If they don't have one don't sign with them. Look at the type of people they have working for them. If the majority of them don't look like people you would see in high fashion magazines don't sign with them. A good agency should be selective. The better agencies will have a nicely designed site and will show their talent. If they don't have any pictures up most times that means they don't have anything or anyone to brag about. Also start from the top and work your way down. Find the best agency in your area if they don't sign you go to the second best, so on and so forth. You don't have to work from the bottom up. If the agency wants more than 20% of what you make walk away. The best agency in Denver only asks for 10%.

Also if an agency demands that you go to a specific photographer tell them to shove it and walk away. You should be able to choose a photographer for yourself, an agency should however give you a list of reputable photographers in your area.

Call the photographers and ask for pricing. If they tell you some outrageous number like 400 dollars hang up. Photography is just not that expencive any more. If the photographer is still shooting film and wants you to pay for the film and prosseing, hang up. Just don't shoot with someone who does'nt know how to use a digital camera. If consumers can use them, so can pros. At the most you should never pay more than 100$. Ask for contact sheets and CDs of the entire shoot. Don't agree to buy prints up front, wait until you get your contact sheets. Let your agency look them over to pick out the ones that suit you best. Agencys often times will pick out more than you need. Make them narow it down. You dont want to pay for prints that you wont use. If the photographer charges more than 20$ for 9x12 prints (that is the industries standard size) don't buy them you can get them much cheeper at a professional printing lab. (NOT wallmart, wallgreens, sears and those types of places. These are not professional printing labs.)
Shop around.

Student photographers are another good bet. Most work on a trade basis. If you work for free so will they. (yes you are not getting payed but you are getting free pictures for your portfolio that will get you jobs in the future) To get the best pictures make sure they go to a reputable ART COLLEGE, no high schoolers and no students that go to some big university and are just taking photography as an elective. Most times you will not get what you are looking for. If they go to a good school find out what level they are at and what their main focus is. If it is anything other than Fashion or Editorial Portraiture don't waste your time. You may have to shoot with a few before you fin a good one. If you don't get good pictures or have a bad experence the first couple of times don't get discouraged not all students are as good as others. Most times students have fresh ideas and can be more imaginative than someone who have been in the business for 30 years. Watch out for photographers who ask you to buy the clothes or pay location fees. You should never have to buy new clothes for a shoot. The photographer or stylist buys the clothes, props and location.

If you feel like ANY photographer has treated you inappropriately tell the agency and/or school that he or she attends also tell the better bussines bureau. Don't stand for it! you don't diserve to be treated like an object. Also if a photographer asks you to do nudes at the shoot with out getting your permission over the phone or durring initial contact, DO NOT do it. If the photographer pushes it leave. Always let someone protective of you know what you are doing and where you will be. Always have a way to leave, drive your own car or call a friend. If at any point you do not feel comfortable at a shoot do not hessitate to get the he!! out of there, usually your gut instinct is right.

Hope this helps you to not get ripped off in the future.

If you have any other questions or if you feel that there is something that I missed let me know.

Jamie~ Professional Fashion Photographer and Model.

A model who is just starting out should NEVER pay 400. dollars or more for photos. Plain an simple.

If you are asked to pay walk away. Never forget that.

Some agencies charge 20 to 40 dollars for their standard portfolio. That should be the extent of the upfront costs. Never pay more than that. Also you should never have to pay a signing fee.

Go to the agencies website. If they don't have one don't sign with them. Look at the type of people they have working for them. If the majority of them don't look like people you would see in high fashion magazines don't sign with them. A good agency should be selective. The better agencies will have a nicely designed site and will show their talent. If they don't have any pictures up most times that means they don't have anything or anyone to brag about. Also start from the top and work your way down. Find the best agency in your area if they don't sign you go to the second best, so on and so forth. You don't have to work from the bottom up. If the agency wants more than 20% of what you make walk away. The best agency in Denver only asks for 10%.

Also if an agency demands that you go to a specific photographer tell them to shove it and walk away. You should be able to choose a photographer for yourself, an agency should however give you a list of reputable photographers in your area.

Call the photographers and ask for pricing. If they tell you some outrageous number like 400 dollars hang up. Photography is just not that expencive any more. If the photographer is still shooting film and wants you to pay for the film and prosseing, hang up. Just don't shoot with someone who does'nt know how to use a digital camera. If consumers can use them, so can pros. At the most you should never pay more than 100$. Ask for contact sheets and CDs of the entire shoot. Don't agree to buy prints up front, wait until you get your contact sheets. Let your agency look them over to pick out the ones that suit you best. Agencys often times will pick out more than you need. Make them narow it down. You dont want to pay for prints that you wont use. If the photographer charges more than 20$ for 9x12 prints (that is the industries standard size) don't buy them you can get them much cheeper at a professional printing lab. (NOT wallmart, wallgreens, sears and those types of places. These are not professional printing labs.)
Shop around.

Student photographers are another good bet. Most work on a trade basis. If you work for free so will they. (yes you are not getting payed but you are getting free pictures for your portfolio that will get you jobs in the future) To get the best pictures make sure they go to a reputable ART COLLEGE, no high schoolers and no students that go to some big university and are just taking photography as an elective. Most times you will not get what you are looking for. If they go to a good school find out what level they are at and what their main focus is. If it is anything other than Fashion or Editorial Portraiture don't waste your time. You may have to shoot with a few before you fin a good one. If you don't get good pictures or have a bad experence the first couple of times don't get discouraged not all students are as good as others. Most times students have fresh ideas and can be more imaginative than someone who have been in the business for 30 years. Watch out for photographers who ask you to buy the clothes or pay location fees. You should never have to buy new clothes for a shoot. The photographer or stylist buys the clothes, props and location.

If you feel like ANY photographer has treated you inappropriately tell the agency and/or school that he or she attends also tell the better bussines bureau. Don't stand for it! you don't diserve to be treated like an object. Also if a photographer asks you to do nudes at the shoot with out getting your permission over the phone or durring initial contact, DO NOT do it. If the photographer pushes it leave. Always let someone protective of you know what you are doing and where you will be. Always have a way to leave, drive your own car or call a friend. If at any point you do not feel comfortable at a shoot do not hessitate to get the he!! out of there, usually your gut instinct is right.

Hope this helps you to not get ripped off in the future.

If you have any other questions or if you feel that there is something that I missed let me know.

Jamie~ Professional Fashion Photographer and Model.

I am the owner of ((REDACTED)) Modeling Agency in (((REDACTED))), IN. I have been involved in the modeling agency for over 25 years.

Unfortunately, this type of scam occurs all across the country....not only with On Track, but with other "Agencies" as well.

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A few things to consider when looking for an agency. (1) An agency tries to find you work. A legitimate agency will not get paid until you do. They will generally take a percentage of your pay (usually 15-20%) So if any agency is asking for any money up front, that should be your first red flag. (2) An agency is not a photography studio. Yes, you will need good photographs, but a good agency will let you select which photographer to go to and will offer several to choose from. (3) An agency is NOT a school. A good agency will not require you to take classes, register for workshops, or register for "modeling conventions". To be honest, we simply don't have time for that. Some agencies offer Drama/Acting workshops/classes, runway workshops/classes, auditioning workshops/classes, etc. to help their talent develop - but they should NOT be required.

I have had several potential models come to me with these "comp cards" that are required of them to become a model. And unfortunately, we cannot use them because they have the logo, address, etc., of the "fly by night" operation that made the cards on them. Therefore, the big money that was required to purchase them was wasted. (I have heard the price usually ranging from $400 - $2000)

A legitimate agency does not have to travel across the US to find "fresh faces". I get hundreds of pictures weekly of potential talent - why would I want to go out of town? Also, why would I go to some of the small towns to find talent when I could go to the big cities? Keep this in mind. If an "Agency" is meeting in a hotel banquet hall or conference hall, this is also a red flag.

A legitimate agency will never make promises of jobs. Some of my most beautiful models/talent seldom ever get jobs....so how can I promise someone that is "ordinary" that they will get a job. Supermodels are one in a million - do not think that this will be a career. If you go into the industry with the thoughts of meeting new people, having fun and maybe making a little extra money in the meantime - you are going into it with the right frame of mind. So....in general, if someone is making a lot of promises...run.

Basically, an Agency's job is to find you a job.
Good luck!!

OTM is a well known scam, I myself run a legit modeling and promotional company in Indianapolis and placed one model in Evansville Indiana with over 100 verifiable jobs in 2004. However, she did have inital costs(she has no photos nothing) but her costa of about 450$ far outweigh the money she has made.
Chances are if you dont get a job in the first month you won't. ASk the company if they can book you the day you pay for photos, or whatever. If they can't don't sign anything.

Where do I start?? hahaha Ok when I was living in Texas about 3 years ago On Track had an model search. I went and was asked to come back later that night. When I went back that night it was a packed house and some old obese guy was giving the worst sales pitch I ever heard! The worst part is....people seemed like they were buying into his con game. I used to model for legit companies and was ALSO a salesperson. I seen right through all of it and was pretty amused at what a sleezy company this was.

Here is what they do. They hold model searches all across the U.S. They will go on and on and on and on and on again about how important it is to get the right portfolio made. The catch??? They want you to overpay BIG TIME for these pictures that they will provide. The guy will make it sound like these "special" pictures can only be done with them. The speaker (who was the epitome of fat used car salesman) had these poor people eating out of his hand. He was even getting standing ovations! hahah

What happens is the people who get duped into overpaying for a portfolio (thats avg at best). This company gets NO respect from anyone in the business and finding work with them never seems to happen for people who pay the outrageous prices for their portfolio pictures. I cant believe these clowns are still around???

NEVER pay ANYTHING to a model agency. If there is a sales pitch going on....its a scam. There should be no reason to have a huge sales pitch thrown at you if you are a model that they want.

I am also willing to bet that the people who post here claiming to work at on track are actually the employees of this scam. No doubt in my mind. Thats how shady they are. Yhis is easily one of the worst "agencies" out there. Stay FAR away from them.

It must have been two years aog when they came to my town. I was one of the select few to be choosen or so they said. I noticed a rare group of people attending the final meeting and I was llooking around like is this the right place. I wasn't really presented with alot of good info after I had already paid $500.00 for my photo shoot which was taken at a local hotel room. which then they asked me to get the pictures developed and compostie cards to be made at my expense. I did one job for them @ walmart. I was barbie and got $22 an hour. But when i recieved my check about a month after i did work it was for only two hours of pay. I was at walmart that day for about 5 hours. Then I just never got my cards made and never heard another word from my so called modeling agency. therefore I feel scammed and tell everyone to stay away from otm.

Robin i would like to talk to you and see if we were at the same Hilton where OTM came the night i signed up. I am from bridge city. I just got a call from my agent for the first ever time. She said she is not with OTM anylonger and has a job for in Lake Charles. If you could contact me back by email i would just like to find out if what happened to is what happened to you. Contact me via ripoffreport.com [DELETED]

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I had something very similar happen to me. About 3 years ago they did a model shoot in the Twin cities, I was picked, spent a ton of money for the shoot, they mailed my composite cards, and I never heard from them again. My pictures were awesome. They odd part of the whole thing was that they encouraged me to get the most comp. cards as possible because they go so fast, but I couldn't afford it ( my wedding was only afew months away) I bought 50 , 25 for them and 25 for me. You'd think they would run out and let me know they needed more to send out or something, but apparently 25 lasted them 3 years. I did try to call and speak with someone but I never got a call returned. They are in it to scam women out of their money for absolutly nothing!

ps I also tried to go to their web site and It is not active- wonder Why?

I do not know how someone can say my experience is "inaccurate".
What happened, happened. Plain and simple.

If these other models had good luck with OTM, well I am happy for them.

However, I did not. I reported my experience as it happened, so I do not understand how these people are telling me that I do not know what I am talking about and what I am saying is inaccurate."

OTM had me jump through hoops and spend a lot of money for nothing.

Like it or not, that is what happened; OTM representatives!

How do I beginthis is my letter to OTM submitted today.

I went to your open call night tonight (09/14/04) in Indianapolis IN. When I noticed the EXTREME variety of people, I was a little curious. Not to mention there wasn't a waiting room per-se and the guy standing at the desk with zero personality handing out clip boards while people squeezed in the room to sign up standing. Then we all cram into the room to sit in bad chairs for 1.5 hrs listening to a guy who claimed it is his first time doing this as a director and to bear with him! No presentation prepared.not even a projector with a simple power point with real photos that everyone in the room could actually see, but a little book holding 8x10 photos. He tripped over everything he said and said the word like about as much as Matt Daemon does during an E channel interview. He kept stating over and over again, if you don't want to use our photographer, by all means use your own if it is less expensive but do join the website.Gee, trying to hide the expense of your website under the cost of photographers but still give your photographer a little pinch of the money for those that can't afford it? Nice.. Please, if anything do not use the actors on Fear Factor as a promo to the new folks. I watched it 3 weeks ago and literally went to work and complained that the acting was so bad that I don't think I could ever watch it againah, the irony.

I'm going to offer some advise before I tell you why I just had to write this letter. Don't talk up the independent part.they get it..just because you're not pulling through for them doesn't mean they can't go after business themselves. When you want to brag about your organization, go big or stay on the porch. Gap? Hanes? And we don't know any women designers? YOU'RE IN THE MODELING AGENCY/FASHION INDUSTRY and just because you're a man doesn't mean that you shouldn't know a female designer. I'm pretty sure the designers for Donatella Versace bump elbows with the designers of Armani, and you d**n sure better believe that if you have the opportunity to talk to a Versace designer that you should make a really good impression and know the line of clothing..word of mouth travels fast and it might just be about you. Oh, and in business for 9 years in 7 different states, you should know major women fashion designers like the back of your hand- at least one. Come on. Throw those names out there when you start to lose your crowd. These people don't give a s**t about local crap going on like being a shot girl for some alcoholic beverage, during their first night at OTM!

How about some MEGA models making killer money- how they started with you! By the way, if you're nation wide and have been in the modeling/talent industry for 9 years..you better have at least one mega star/model. Ford and Elite didn't become Ford and Elite without some MEGA talent. That's what these people want to hear! They are on top of the world because someone approached them about how they look and since it was a dream that they never thought in a million years would happen, they now have hope. The people in that room got regular jobs, planned out a regular life for their children and decided, their life would always be ordinary.until.someone at your company said, you have just what people are looking for.

So, I'll give you snaps on this grand scam you have going to keep the dough rolling in via a website. You take advantage of technology by creating a website for talent, charging a big fat chunk of money up front, monthly income multiplied by however many dumb people you can get to sign up for their dreams to all come true.
Now you can say, it's just a job and it pays the bills but you're playing with people's emotions and hopes and the thought that they could be somebody if they pay you to make their dreams come true one day. Hey, not the person I ever grew up wanting to be..but to each his own, you have to sleep with it.

Oh, and don't tell people the owner used another marketing company to e-mail people that fit a physical description. The 3rd party marketing firm must have done a word search for advertising on Monster and sent me an e-mail without knowing anything about my qualifications. (I'm in Marketing.) Nice cover up when someone asked about the.answer Hey it worked out for you though right, you're a good lookin guy and we need all kinds of people. Nice, but not good enough to pull it off. Except for those unfortunate people desperately looking for a dream come true that will fade with time.

Oh, and the icing on the cake is that my girlfriend was approached in May at the Indy 500 Carb Day by your company. She went, signed up, did the photos, did the website and to this day hasn't heard anything. The director said, last night, that the reason they did this e-mail approach is because they are swamped by calls from agencies and don't have any women models between the ages of 18 and 32. My friend is 30, very attractive and out going. Her boyfriend works for Ford out of Chicago and was recently shot for a Camel cigarette ad.you can imagine my surprise, and hers, when I spoke to her after this evening.

Let me get to the reason I wrote this, now. I think it's a horrible thing to play with someone's hope. If I am wrong, and you are a reputable organization, maybe I just had the worst presenter and staff on the night I went. My gut tells me I'm right, Judging by what I've told you, maybe you can see how I've come to that conclusion.

My apologies if I am wrong. If I am, you need to do some serious work on your approach. You have to shine talent to make people believe you sell talent. Best of luck.

P.S. Get rid of the metal frames in the dcor, they look cheap because they are cheap and they are very 80's.
Sincerely,

I'm not sure who this person is who has been given this information. I have worked with OTM for almost four years now. I do not have any portfolio on file with them. I did do a shoot for my composition cards, but due to lack of my own follow thru never got them finished. However... I have done many promotional events with OTM even without the portfolio. I have made alot of money thru them dealing with large clients such as... The US Army, we did the booth for the race here in Seattle, I have done "Race for the Cure" for Yoplait; I have done Willy Wonka for Mars; I do car dealership promotions on a regular basis; I have done microchipping for Safeway; and I am doing one this weekend for the Parenting Magazine. All this with only my initial investment of my photo shoot. Which was my choice to use their photographer. It was about $400.00. I have made more than that in one promotional event.

I have been with on track modeling for almost 3 years iv done several job. Just did one june 24th 04 Nascar event here in santa rosa california I ve had several more i did a job for the us army last year also i did a job for sally hansan cosmetics. several others came across my way as well but due to someof my personal obligations and morals i turned them down. I love working for them i think that this guy has no idea how to listen to what the agents told him he didnt have to use their photographer.i didnt. I still represent them