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Orishas Ashe, katz rodriguez, www.greeneyed witch.com, http://www.greeneyedwitch.com/orishas-ashe---tata-leonce-santero--brujo.html

  • Submitted: Sun, April 13, 2014
  • Updated: Sun, April 13, 2014

  • Reported By: anonymous — Minnesota
Orishas Ashe, katz rodriguez, www.greeneyed witch.com, http://www.greeneyedwitch.com/orishas-ashe---tata-leonce-santero--brujo.html
8414 Farm Road STE 180-203 Las Vegas, Nevada USA

Orishas Ashe, katz rodriguez, www.greeneyed witch.com, http://www.greeneyedwitch.com/orishas-ashe---tata-leonce-santero--brujo.html katherine martin, witchy sisterhood, http://www.greeneyedwitch.com/orishas-ashe---tata-leonce-santero--brujo.html Stole pictures from a Santero's website and is claiming it as their own. Las Vegas Nevada

*Consumer Comment: Missinformation

*Consumer Comment: liars and frauds

*REBUTTAL Owner of company: Santera smoking picture not affiliated with Katz Rodriguez

*REBUTTAL Individual responds: Tata leonce and Katz Rodriguez green eyed witch

*Author of original report: The picture of the Santera smoking the cigar.

*Author of original report: The Pictures That Were Stolen

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 katz rodriguez, aka, katherine martin and katherine rodriguez stole photos from a Santero's website right after that Santero passed away. katz/katherine is claiming those pictures to be her own which they are not. Those pictures belong to santeriachurch.org who katz/katherine is not associated with. The name of the Santero she stole them from is Eddy Gutierrez, Iba' Ye, who is also known as Dr. E.

I personally mean no disrespect to Eddy Gutierrez or his loved ones and friends nor do I intend to drag them into this, butkatz/katherine rodriguez/martin stole those pictures and needs to be known for it.

here are the websites where she has posted the pictures claiming they are hers and part of her fraudulent life in Ocha/Lukumi/Santeria.

plus.google.com/+KatherineRodriguezBruja#+KatherineRodriguezBruja/photos

greeneyedwitch.com/orishas-ashe---tata-leonce-santero--brujo.html


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#1 Consumer Comment

Missinformation

AUTHOR: Marlene - (USA)

 Hello, my name is Marlene. I've worked with Katz for almost a year now as her apprentice and I can definitely give people another perspective of Katz vs what's blaitently being thrown out in this accusation of fraud. I've had my own aprehentions about people in the magickal community and have generally stayed away from them due to a deep gut feeling and I was always right. I even watched YouTube videos for over a year before I was given a you tube suggestion for Katz. Something told me she was worth contacting and I have never looked back. I have been apprenticing with Katz for almost a year and have been more than satisfied with my progress and ease of communication with her. She is a wealth of information and a valuable resource to have in your corner even for mundane advise. Something about her honest and open nature that makes her very approachable and her no nonsense attitude let's you know she's a real person who won't tolorate foolishness. She's been very honest and forthcoming when it comes to the work that she does and who she is and her videos all reiderat that. Sometimes when you see or hear that she's received Orunla or that she gives away beaded bracelets or necklaces or whatever, you can be mistaken in saying that she's said she was a Santera or that she's giving away elekes.

That's not he case at all! Santeria is an initiation process that has multiple levels and herarchies. Katz has not stated that she is a Santera, only that that is her religion and that she has apractice of magick that is different and separate from Santeria. It's easy to confuse the two if you don't know or understand what the Santeria tradition and religion is. Also as for the bracelets or necklesses, well if they're bless by a Santero or a Babalow and they say it's ok to give them to someone then it's ok. That makes them a powerful talesman not an eleke or apart of an initiation process. Again, easily misunderstood if you don't know the tradition and it's understandable but there's no need to be outraged over it either. As for pictures on her website; that's already been explained and not something that you can call a person a fraud over. Further more on the majority of her videos and on her website, she specifically states she is not a Santera and she states who her padrinos are time and time again as well as refers people to them for work and initiation. It seems to me that there is a lot of hate and missinformation being passed out simply to encourage more hate and missinformation. I don't know if this report was intentionally sent out to do this or a genuine concern steming from a misunderstanding but that's why we can all come on these reports and state out experiences.

As for the whole listening of witnesses and participants officiating the ceremonies of initiations, that's a bit much. Listing your padrinos online is sufficient. Santeria and Palo as well as most traditions are very secretive and people demand their privacy. You have no right to list names out there unless you've been given expressed permission and even then, all you have to do is ask in person for their liniage and they should tell you. That way the person can do their own research. Kat's has her padrino posted on her website and their contact information. All you have to do is call them and ask. It's a bit presumptuous to demand names for everyone involved when that's not appropriate information to put online sepecialy when so many do not want don't want that publicly and disserve their privacy. If you have that expressed permission to do so along with their contact information then hurray for you. But that's not generally the case. I don't enjoy seeing people being misrepresented in a post or report and I know people also have some real issues with workers as well as personal issues but I encourage people to do their own research. It does take some time but always worth it in the end especially when you really need help from a genuine worker. Look, it's also understandable that you don't click with a person and that's not a bad thing. But when you find someone that's genuinely interested in helping you and you're comfortable enough to tell them what's going on in your life then consider yourself blessed. I am and I'm greatful.

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#2 Consumer Comment

liars and frauds

AUTHOR: Anonymous - (USA)

In our Santeria and Palo Mayombe Community we have been watching these people in particular make websites exploiting our beautiful religion of Lucumi and Palo Mayombe, these frauds have NO shame, NO Morals, NO Honor whatsoever, they are rip off artists taking money from people, they ARE NOT AUTHENTIC PRIESTS!  they have no legitmacy whatsoever in our religious community of Santeria and Palo Mayombe,

If in fact these frauds were authentic priests they would NOT be making websites and exploiting people for money hiding under our religion that DOES NOT approve of these things EVER.

WE DEMAND! if you have Orisha Crowned on your heads LIST IN DETAIL:

1. Your God parents FULL names, and who performed their Kariocha on them.

2. the Oba, Drummers, Babalawos,  who performed the Kariocha on your heads to initiate you as Santero/a

3. a full list of the Santero/a who were witnesses to your Kariocha ceremony along with the year

4. the Rama of Santeria from which your Kariocha was completed

 

WE DEMAND! if you are in fact a Tata/Yaya of Palo Mayombe YOU MUST in DETAIL recite:

1. Your FULL lineage line of Palo Mayombe complete. 

2. Your God Parents names in DETAIL, who rayado them. 

3. Your Rama and Trada of your Munanso Congo if you hace fundamento

4. Your FULL Munanso Name, Trada and elders Empangui who named your Munanso after giving licensia FULL initiation.

 

5. List the Tata's, Bokanfula and Witnesses who were present at your Rayamiento to confirm you are in fact a Tata/Yaya that will vouce as you being Rayado. 

 

if you cannot authentic this information you are NOT Priests of Santeria or Palo Mayombe! 

PROVE WHO YOU ARE OR ELSE YOU WILL BE KNOWN FRAUDS!

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#3 REBUTTAL Owner of company

Santera smoking picture not affiliated with Katz Rodriguez

AUTHOR: Katz0411 - (USA)

 I honestly don't know what photo your speaking of? I don't have a photo like that on my website? On my personal facebook I do post pictures from all over the world and I don't claim them to be mine or affiliated with me.. I will not keep arguing over a picture. If any disrespect was taken by posting a picture of the beautiful religion I practice in Ocha/Santeria/Palo under my Padrino Sandy Yitka Conesa out of Las Vrgas Nv. I apologize. I will make sure if I post any photos I add credits. It more than likely was a mistake and at that time I had an assistant and didn't even work most my public sites. I am a medium, Intuitive, Religious Counselor, Ordained, Spell Caster, I have Apprentice globally, I do not need to steal pictures or act like I practice in a religion I don't because I have Orula and received it with an accredited Babalawo and Santero house out of Las Vegas Nevada. If you would like his contact info, just look on my site. Tata Leonce used to contract and work with me on my site but we ended the contract and working relationship on good terms and any and all pictures he used , I assumed were his personally. I have a large clientele, I have 100s of good testimonials on how well I work, the quality of my work and how accurate my readings are. I am not a Santera and never claimed to be but I have studied the religion over 10 years and I am active in Ocha/Santera with my Padrino and Madrina. My religion is very different than my practice. I do not use my religion to do any spellcasting unless I work with my Padrino who is a experienced Babalawo. I also always had a Palero or Babalawo to split jobs with or contract with if I needed them. I am a 4th generation bruja/witch, I do not need to lie about things. I have the experience. I have a long list of clients that would be happy to speak with you. There is no guarantee in Spellwork and anyone that tells you that is ripping you off but I will say this, I don't take work I can't do. I have been on YouTube/katz0411 for a little over 5 years with a clean record and teach the basics of witchcraft, protection and Advanced Candle Magickal. The people making the claims are people that are just upset about one thing or another. I can't make the world happy. I appreciate your time and energy and I wish nothing but the best for you and send you mucho ache! Katz Rodriguez The greeneyedwitch

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#4 REBUTTAL Individual responds

Tata leonce and Katz Rodriguez green eyed witch

AUTHOR: Katz0411 - (USA)

 We did not post any photos of another Santero or anyone smoking cigar on our page .. I did let tata leonce add a page to my personal page and he gave me pictures and I just trusted they were his, if they were someone else, there was no disrespected there. I see good work and beautiful stuff all the time and I post it but I don't say it's my work. I have orula. I practice Ocha, my Padrino is Sandy Conesa out of Cuba and in Las Vegas. I am getting crowned soon, but I never ever claim to be a Santera because I am not. I have a lot of pictures from our rituals, ceremonies of my Madrina page. Tata leonce was giving me photos to add to his site and I never though to check if they were his. This is why I will not contract out space anymore or contract. I practice as a 4th generation witch/bruja over 30 years. I have a strong clientele, testimonials on katzrodriguez website I do well. I do apologize publiccy if he put it up or if you see it just talk to me because a lot of times we are admiring the work and just positing and sharing work. If it's my personal work I tell what I did and how. Sorry that you feel that way.

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#5 Author of original report

The picture of the Santera smoking the cigar.

AUTHOR: anonymous - ()

Also, the picture of the Santera smoking the cigar is not katherine/katz's martin/rodriguez's either. That Santera has no affiliation at all what so ever with katherine/katz what so ever. 

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#6 Author of original report

The Pictures That Were Stolen

AUTHOR: anonymous - ()

I was not able to upload the pictures of Eddy Gutierrez's, aka Dr. E., Iba' Ye, Eleggua, Agayu, and Obatala, that were stolen.

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