• Report: #968474
Complaint Review:

Papa Curtis

  • Submitted: Tue, November 13, 2012
  • Updated: Tue, November 13, 2012

  • Reported By: truthseeker — internet Internet United States of America
Papa Curtis
Asheville, North Carolina United States of America

Papa Curtis Fake Tata, CW Allen, fraud, scammer, liar, drunk, kicked out of palo for unethical behavior, internet, wanna be Cherokee Liar, Fraud, Drunk, Unprofessional, Hot head Asheville, North Carolina

*Consumer Comment: I feel sorry for the individual that posted this

*Consumer Comment: No One Has Time For This

*Consumer Comment: ?

*Consumer Comment: Blatantly disrespectful

*REBUTTAL Individual responds: Ridiculous

*Consumer Comment: Papa Curtis Is An Honest, Genuine, Gifted Man

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First, this guy is a fake, hiding behind a Tata in Palo title when he was kicked out of his house for unethical and inappropriate behavior. Fail to mention that Curtis when trashing other people and accusing them of fraud with no proof? His clients, the few he has, are not satisfied and complain about his interpersonal skills, say he gets angry whenever asked a question he doesn't like. Won't give a refund either and argues with clients (what few if any he has anymore). Turned into an obsessed cyber stalker when kicked out of a Facebook group (who does that?) whining like a little baby because he was kicked out. Grow some cohones and be a man. Move on and get a life!

He has the gall to accuse others of fraud with no proof, only gossip. Says he's a Cherokee and acts like an expert in Native American issues...he's got red hair and dresses like an Indian for Halloween! What Indian does that?!!! Tries to get his "products" on established sites yet he has no products! Wants to do readings for people when he can't even get honest about his own spiritual status in his so-called religion! Writes bogus reports based on lies! Time to get honest baby Curtis, you are a pathetic excuse for a human being targeting women and children with your lowlife "spirits."  'Who believes this stuff anyway?' How does it feel to be exposed little man? Not so good does it. At least this report is based on facts and not lies. Where's your "cool head you are always talking about? You are no more cool than an erupting volcano.

Oh yeah, did I forget to mention your drunk dialing at midnight to talk about spanking Pomba Gira? And cultural appropriation? what amount of Latin blood do you have to own her? a spirit that by your own words cannot be owned? So why get angry any time anyone else talks about her or is inspired by her? Because you are a pathetic, transparent, insecure little man who has to feel good about himself by tearing other people down. Anyone who has believed the rubbish he has been spreading needs to ask "Papa" Curtis what happened to your title? Why get so mad over a facebook group? Why so disrespectful to women? Certainly you will deny it all, because the very fabric of your being is based on lies, you pathetic little Halloween Cherokee. How dare you disgrace that tribe with your cultural appropriation and embarrassing presentation of yourself. Shame Shame shame on you for your behavior. I guess getting tossed out of you lineage wasn't bad enough was it.

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#1 Consumer Comment

I feel sorry for the individual that posted this

AUTHOR: NateDaddy - ()

Papa Curtis is one of the most honorable individuals that I have the pleasure of knowing.  He is a shaman warrior of light and genuine to the core.  The person who wrote this is filled with anger and hatred of others but first of herself.  She lashes out at Papa Curtis because she is angry with her own failings.  I feel sorry for you, whoever you are, and will pray for you.  This sort of childish and spiteful behavior is not the way to being one with the creator and the energy of the world.  This sort of thing takes you futher away, yet this must be the path you need to walk right now.  May you find peace, joy and understanding in this life.  To all be well.
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#2 Consumer Comment

No One Has Time For This

AUTHOR: TheAniontedOne - ()

I have know Mr.Allen for sometime now,and he has never disrespect me in anyway. I have never heard him claim to be an American Indian. I have refer people to Papa Curtis and they all was well please. I will keep doing just that. Papa Curtis takes alot of pride and care in his work. I have purchase his products in the past and will continue to do so. It is an honor to know someone that holds the knowledge that he does on root,herb,and minerals.  It sadden me that someone can hold so much hate which is a harsh word against someone. To try to attack them on the web. I am a God fearing person and God said what you do to the least of them he will do to you. If we can not judge ourselve we should not judge anyone else.



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AUTHOR: Geo - ()

I have to say that I don't understand where all this comes from.

Mr. Allen is a very kind, knowlegable gentleman who helped me with a reading. He was very forthright and intelligent, and answered all my questions without any sort of negative intent. He helped me to get my focus back and is, in my estimation, very skilled in his arts. I would trust him again without hesitation.

Also, I would like to say that whomever lodged this complaint against him in the first place did so in an immature and childish manner that seems more like someone writing a slur on a latrine wall rather than a structured complaint.

Thank you,


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#4 Consumer Comment

Blatantly disrespectful

AUTHOR: Remolino - ()

 Curtis was a fake Tata of Palo. This is not due to his behavior but because his "Padrino" performed a fake initiation. His "Madrina", who supposedly initiated his padrino, either should have known better, or is lying about her status as a Palera. He was tricked and ripped off and led to believe that he was a legitimate initiate of Palo Mayombe Corta Lima Cordosa. I roughly know of the details surrounding his initiation, and what was done would not fly anywhere but in a house of frauds. As an initiate of another rama of Corta Lima, I am ashamed to call the people who mistreated him as distant cousins, provided they had anything to begin with. 

Also, I doubt he got kicked out of his house, since he was ripped off, scammed, and tricked himself, there was NO LEGIT HOUSE TO BE KICKED OUT OF. Once again - FRAUDS BROUGHT HIM IN. PERIOD. Therefore, he is a victim of fraud, but I don't see him flapping his lips online about how he got scammed. Therefore, unethical behavior? 

On this note - it should be noted that an improperly done initiation can cause people a great deal of problems...especially at the price tag many fakes attach to this. Something that I assume the writer of this fraud report may know a thing or two about. Ripping people off has its consequences. 

Curtis is not without his struggles,personal difficulties, and problems -  as none of us are not. I have my problems. The writer of the initial report does too. To quote Jesus, remove the plank from thine own eye before pointing out the plank in another, or something along those lines.

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AUTHOR: Curtista - ()

This is obviously a personal attack designed to smear my reputation by Denise A****, aka "Truthseeker." It doesn't even merit a lengthy response. Thank you for the publicity! I am doing just fine, thank you. I hope you are also.

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#6 Consumer Comment

Papa Curtis Is An Honest, Genuine, Gifted Man

AUTHOR: Sincerely - ()

I offer my rebuttal freely to this preposterous diatribe directed at Papa Curtis. Not only is he one of the most sincere individuals I know, but his spiritual gifts, his humbleness, and kindness are who this man is. Numerous readings over the years I have had by him and referred him to friends and family. We have all become repeat clients.

His knowledge of herbs and minerals in incredible and his disposition is always one of extreme kindness, patience, and courtesy. He is extremely well respected for his complete willingness to help and be of service. Any credential Papa Curtis holds is not only valid, but earned of years of practice, devotion, and much hard work. I cannot recommend him highly enough.

Papa Curtis DOES indeed sell genuine products he has painstakingly created and I have purchased many of his products over the years with all wonderful results. This man walks his walk and talks his talk with integrity, humility and expert ability. it saddens me to see such a baseless vicious complaint files here against such a good man and practitioner.




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