Report: #666173

Complaint Review: People Helping People

  • Submitted: Sun, November 28, 2010
  • Updated: Sun, June 17, 2012
  • Reported By: wasted my time — Van Nuys California United States of America
  • People Helping People
    16600 Sherman Way Ste. 265, Van Nuys California
    Internet
    United States of America

Show customers why they should trust your business over your competitors...

At the 2nd of two 2-hour meetings (in the 2nd meeting they play high volume music which doesn't allow you to think), afterwhich the original Associate ambushed me with a private meeting one-on-one and TELLS me a $100. fee for membership is required right NOW, then he hands me a 1099 and ONLY the last page of a 4-page Associate Agreement.  When he returns I ask him for the rest of the Agreement which he unhappily gives me and begins telling me how "Lucky" I am to be accepted by PHP, only a few individuals are accepted and I'm one of them.  Wow.  My little voice is screaming in my ear to get the frik outta there.  He is reticent to answer my questions about commission and how it all works, he says I'm unusual to ask so many questions.  Then I tell him I'm going to think about it and begin to leave.  B4 I go he asks if we can meet 2moro after I look over everything, I say, give me a call.  Well he calls me 3 times in 1 hour the nxt morn and we go for coffee.  I go over a few questions and he again says this is not the norm to be answering so many questions.  Next I ask him if the the total of $570 is the bottom-line for costs and pls tell me if there are any other extranious charges, he says "Oh well there is a $54. membership fee for website maint. & access", I reply "Okay, now are there ANY OTHER amounts that I need to know about?" he says "No-None".  I sign the Agreement(which I read) & give ccard info, 1099 & New Associate Application (not all of it, I refuse some which asks the city I was born in which is none of their business as I have identity theft) & give it to him.  He proceeds to explain a few requirements and at the very end says, "You must have Insurance with one of our Providers as a Downline Associate, It's required."  I am flabbergasted, tell him this is ridiculous and why couldn't he have mentioned this when I asked him earlier if there were any other costs?  He says this is the way PHP does business.  I ask for my information to be returned and tell him I'll call him back the nxt day regardless as to my decision.  


Throughout I asked reasonable questions and he was markedly frustrated and would make a noise or tell me that "This is unusual".  I can't believe that anyone would just be such a lemming as to not ask questions or read the Agreement.  I felt pressured and fortunately walked away from the situation. 

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#1 UPDATE Employee

What's your level of success?

AUTHOR: Andre - (United States of America)

1st of all, you DO NOT have to be part of PHP, in order to take advantage of our products. 2nd, you DO NOT have to hire anyone in order to make money with PHP. But ask yourself this question. 

In Real Estate who makes more money, the Broker or the agent? The Broker make more money and hires agents under them. In a law firm, who makes more money, the Partner or the lawyer. The Partner make more money and hires lawyers under them. In a hospital who makes more money, the Administrator or the Doctor. The Administrator make more money and hires Doctors under them. 

Which position would you prefer? A Broker or an agent? A Partner or a lawyer? An Administrator or a Doctor? 

If you just want be an Realtor, lawyer or doctor that does all the work and just provide services. There is nothing wrong with that. 

If you want to become a Broker, a Partner, an Administrator; a true Business Owner. Then give me a call and see what PHP has to offer. Also check out our endorsements. 

Andre
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#2 Consumer Comment

Do Lawyers, Realtors, Doctors, etc. have to sign people under them to be successful? Not!

AUTHOR: Monique - (United States of America)

You make "your" opportunity sound like some great thing / plan.  What your missing is that none of the professions you mentioned "sell their opportunity".  They sell their services.

For you to make money, you have to sign a certain number of people under you. They then have to sign up people under them. As your "group" builds, your income CAN build.  That is a multi level or pyramid scam.

If you are not selling services that a company offers -tangible services ALONE, then more than likely it is not a legit business.  No attorney has to sign attorneys under him to make money.  No realtor has to get other realtors to join them or a team to earn money.  They simply provide the service of assisting in finding a home and WHEN the closing happens, they get paid.

You cant fancy this up with your taught justification language that these people have brainwashed you to believe.  How sad that a company would trick people to trick other people to sign up for a dream that cant be realized.  How many friends have you lost?

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#3 Consumer Comment

Do your research on who endorses People Helping People, then ask yourself, who has the creditability.

AUTHOR: Andre - (United States of America)

The endorsements just keep coming in. I know I'm with the right organization. I love People Helping People. 
Copy & paste the link.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WGm9tfukpdk
http://youtu.be/WGm9tfukpdk

David Walker was the comptroller General of United States of American 1998-2008. He resigned March 2008 to start a movement of education Americans of the challenges the nation is facing and what needs to get done to fix it. And he's endorsing People Helping People. 

I see there is a few people on here that is trying to tear us down. Do your research on them to test their creditability. Do your research on who endorses People Helping People. Then ask yourself, who has the creditability. 

God Bless
Andre (((ROR redacted)))
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#4 Consumer Comment

Actually, I enjoy protecting people

AUTHOR: Steve - (USA)

I mean, if someone wanted to get a payday loan, or live beyond their means off of credit cards, I would be "negative" about that as well. "Thinking positive" is MLM-speak for "turn off you critical thinking". And  the people that buy stuff like, "The IRS benefits from 401ks" are the unsophisticated, and thus the most vulnerable to these rackets. They are also the people that can afford to lose their money the least. 

Yes, you have given out your number multiple times. But if you really believe in your product and "opportunity," why not post it here for all the world to see?  I am talking the full compensation plan, and cost/features of your product(s). In fact, do you have all this info on a website, for all to see? 

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#5 General Comment

Paul Powers 818-397-7455 - Education is the key.

AUTHOR: Paul Powers - (United States of America)

If you want true education from someone that is willing to identify him or herself feel free to call me directly at 818-397-7455. My name is Paul Powers.

Use your own intelligence and make your own investigations. Use sources that offer unbiased opinions. I say "opinions" rather than facts because all facts are really based on opinions of others based on the information at hand.

It seems that "Steve", who ever he is, is enjoying the activity he is experiencing as a result of his posts. Many people enjoy posting their comments in platform like this.

I wish "Steve" well. All of us have our "opinions" and many more want a platform to share their opinions.

The bottom line is this. There are many people that choose to concentrate on negative issues rather than the positive. By making that statement, I am sure that there will yet be another response that counters my statement. It's a continuous, un-ending circle. 

I am not going to respond to "Steve" again.

As I stated earlier, educate yourself. Don't take my word for it. Don't take "Steve's" word for it. Do your own research. Take control over your own life. Take action to change the things you don't want. Take action to receive the things you do want. Treat others well. Be fair. Be a leader and represent yourself, your family and associates as the kind of person they will respect and follow.

Leave a legacy.
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#6 Consumer Comment

The financial ignorance is amazing

AUTHOR: Steve - (USA)

OK, the main point of my post above was concerning MLMs in general, but it looks like PHP is even worse in the sense that they are pushing IULs. I am not a CPA, but I'm educated, unlike most MLM members. To say that 401ks are a bad deal because you "need the money more when you are older" is so idiotic that it is hard to fathom. First of all, people are generally in a lower tax bracket when they are older (that is why they need the money more, right?). So they end up paying less in taxes by being taxed later. More importantly, however, deferring taxes is the equivalent of getting an interest free loan from the IRS (why you think that is "good for the IRS" is beyond me), and allows you to build more money. Do some simple multiplication and you will see this. Again, you must just be repeating what somebody told you. Give it some critical thought. 

The fact that an MLM would push such a terrible financial product is not surprising. I'm sure they will get into payday loans next. 
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#7 Consumer Comment

Thanks for you help.

AUTHOR: Andre - (United States of America)

I'm happy for you and your family. How are you helping the other 95% of the people. Advising them to invest more in to their 401k plan? Time magazine and 60 minutes have done their own research. Cut and paste the link. Judge for yourself. 

http://youtu.be/nAHgr9dY9BU    

http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1929233,00.html

You say there is no guarantees if life, that part is true. But life insurance is guaranteed. 

You sound like a CPA. They don't like us, because they feel that we are taking money out of their pockets. By advising our clients that there are products where you are guaranteed not to ever loss any money. GUARANTEED. Most people have never heard of these plans. Why? Your job benefits from your 401k plan, the government (IRS) benefits from your 401k plan. Your taxes are deferred today, but you still have to pay your taxes when you withdraw your money. Isn't that when you need the money the most. With a 401k plan, you make money and you LOSE money.

Does your job benefit from an IUL, NO! Does the IRS benefit for an IUL, NO! Would you rather pay taxes or NOT pay taxes when you need the money the most. A licensed Insurance agent can help you with that. With an IUL or an Indexed annuity, you make money and you NEVER lose any money. Only a licensed Insurance agent to help you with these guaranteed plans and much more.  And you advising people to spend several $100s of dollars each time they speak to a CPA. No thanks, I rather spend a one time fee of $150 and be trained on ALL products & retirement plans and have access to updated materials information. Or I can invite you to a FREE financial workshop that shows you everything. Its 100% FREE. 

Thank you for helping me prove my point.

Andre 626-421-8743
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#8 Consumer Comment

OK, I was going to let this go....

AUTHOR: Steve - (USA)

....but the last post was too much to pass up. Note, Andre, that while it may seem that I am debunking your comments, they are not really *your* comments; they are comments you are repeating (and are expected to repeat) by your other MLMers. These comments are pretty much the same from MLM to MLM, so again. I want to stress that these are not specific to PHP. I would hate to see you leave this one, just to sign up with another because they are "different".

"Is the wealthiest people you know, an employee or an entrepreneur"

POINT 1: - and this is SO important - MLMers are neither employees, OR entrepreneurs. The biggest lie is that the title "entrepreneur" can be applied to you. 

POINT 2: - it is very important when judging the value of pursuing something to not just look at the wealthiest person in that group, but also the median, average, etc. I mean, I could look at Powerball winners and ignore all the losers if I wanted to. 

See, the thing is, even forgetting about MLM, entrepreneurship is not necessarily the smartest thing for everyone to get into. Depending on your aptitude (and market conditions), you may get a MUCH better return on investing in a career/education. In fact, if you are even considering joining an MLM, it indicates you are not able to make the judgments necessary to start even a real business (which again, is very hard to succeed at anyway).

For example, my household income is around $220K, and my wife and I are "just" employees. This puts us somewhere in the top 8% of all households; there are quite a few "entrepreneurs" that do not pull in what we do, and that does not even take into account the huge value of medical/dental/401K/etc. 

Do you know how much we would make if we were in the top 8% of an MLM's earners? We would be LOSING money, when taking into account expenses and product purchases. Plus, we would have no benefits. This is why the vast majority of MLMers also have their job - the job actually pays, whereas the MLM thing costs.

"When someone have been an employee their whole life and they lose their job, what do they do? They look for another job. If no one gives them a job, they don't know what to do. They get mad at the world and go protest on wall street."

This is something else you were obviously told and chose to believe. I've had plenty of friends and colleges lose jobs. Some I even had to layoff personally. These people did not protest; they found other jobs. And nobody "gives them a job," as you put it; they go out and earn that job by showing the employer how they can benefit from them. And by the way, you know what they did NOT do? They didn't join an organization where they would only make money by selling a pipe dream of wealth to others, including their friends and family. Like me, they make their money with integrity. 

"Some people find a way to spend thousands and thousands of dollars to go back to school. But everyone knows that you are still not promised a job...'

That's right, nobody is promised a job; we are in a free market, as we should be. Those people who "find a way" to pay tuition are those that value education enough to sacrifice for it. Compare the earnings of people with a degree with those that don't, and you may decide education is a bit more important. Compare the earnings of an average burger flipper with your typical MLMer and McDonalds will start looking pretty good.

"Do you believe the system will help you retire financially at 65 years old?"
No, that is why I put 16% of my earnings into a tax deferred 401K, instead of blowing it on overpriced products, hoping I will get rich someday. 

"If an entrepreneur loses their business, what do they do? They open another business."
Many do. Some get normal jobs. Some do like I am doing - I am starting a (real) company while holding on to my current job. But again, keep in mind POINT 1.

[Various examples of people that told they would never succeed, yet hit it big]
Not sure what the point of that was. Every 15 year old kid who wants to start a band instead of going to college tells their parents how so-and-so is a rich rock star even though he dropped out of school. The founder of Facebook dropped out of Harvard; does that make it a smart thing to do? See POINT 2.

"People who wait, has to map out the entire road trip before they get in the car."
Life is full of uncertainties, no matter what you do. But that doesn't mean you fall for every con man that tries to sell you a pot of gold. God gave you a brain; use it.

Do you really want to know how good PHP, or any other MLM is? Find a good CPA who is near you, and spend a few $100 for a consult with him. Show him the plan, and see what he says. 

I really hope you get out of this. The sooner you do, the sooner you can get on the road to REAL financial success. 


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#9 Consumer Comment

Is the wealthiest people you know, an employee or an entrepreneur

AUTHOR: Andre - (United States of America)

The reason why you don't see a website having people complaining about the dot com or software companies is because the people who invested in those companies is entrepreneurs.

When someone have been an employee their whole life and they lose their job, what do they do? They look for another job. If no one gives them a job, they don't know what to do. They get mad at the world and go protest on wall street. Does that put money in their pocket, does that put food on their table? Some people find a way to spend thousands and thousands of dollars to go back to school. But everyone knows that you are still not promised a job and you still have to pay the school tuition. But we do it anyway. Why, because that is the system that we are taught. Is the system working for you today? Do you believe the system will help you retire financially at 65 years old?

If an entrepreneur loses their business, what do they do? They open another business. They don't get mad at the system, because they understand the system of free enterprise. 

George Steinbrenner first owned the Cleveland Pipers? The franchise went bankrupt with personal losses of $2 million dollars. Today he is known for turning the New York Yankees into one of the most valuable franchises in sports history. 

Harry Potter author, J. K. Rowling was rejected by twelve different publishers when she first wrote the book. Several of them told her to "get a real job". Now she's the second richest female entertainer after Oprah. 

Harrison Ford was told by movies execs that he simply didn't have what it takes to be a star. Elvis Presley was told by the manager of the Grand Ole Opry , "You ain't goin' nowhere, son. You ought to go back to driven' a truck." 

If you want to achieve your dreams, you first must have the courage to attempt the journey. People who wait, has to map out the entire road trip before they get in the car. If they are not comfortable with the journey, they never make the trip. People who are doers, takes a good look at the final destination and jumps in the car heading towards it. Without knowing the road in between. They reach each milestone, while knowing its taking them one step closer to their dream. The road ahead will be a rocky one, but if you understand that life grows from resistance. Then you believe that the journey is what makes you stronger and prepares you for the end of your journey.


Andre 626-421-8743
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#10 General Comment

Paul Powers 818-397-7455

AUTHOR: Paul Powers - (United States of America)

Paul Powers 818-397-7455

There is nothing left to say. Good luck. I wish you the best.
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#11 Consumer Comment

Ugh - more of the same claptrap

AUTHOR: Steve - (USA)

"Also, I wouldn't look for input from someone that didn't make in Network Marketing to help me determine if network marketing works or not. I would listen to someone that has shown that it works."

This is another line that practically all MLMers use (BTW, love the "Network Marketing" euphemism). First of all, notice how it begs the question by assuming all critics of this racket have "not made it". Of course, there are a lot of victims out there, but hey - it is their fault, right? And of course the BEST part of this line is that you should get "mentored" by someone who has "shown that it works," i.e. someone who stands to make a lot of money off of you. 

Let me put it this way: there are a TONS of people who did not "make it" in say, software development. Yet do you see tons of people warning others away from software development, because it is a scam? Do you see entire websites dedicated to exposing the "software development racket?" Of course not.

Here is a good rule of thumb - if someone approaches YOU, whether it be personally or via and advertisement, trying to convince you they have an "exciting opportunity" where you can make lots of money, it is a scam. 

The numbers that I posted before do not lie. And tell you what - if you did not "make it" in the Nigerian millionaire business, please, reach out to me so I can "mentor" you. Now remember, you have to be "coachable," but hey, that's how you make money. Or at least how *one* of us will :)
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#12 Author of original report

Was Hounded by PHP

AUTHOR: wasted my time - (United States of America)

@Paul Powers - I was repeatedly contacted by PHP at my place of business and over the phone after walking away from that potential financial debacle.  Scientology does the same thing, as soon as they have your private information they periodically contact you and also harass you if you provide testimonials on their secret deceptive processes. 

I don't blame anyone for NOT providing their identity, why would anyone want to provide sensitive information on the internet let alone to con-artists who dupe people into their scam?  There is a very good reason why there are so many complaints on PHP, because credible people care about their neighbor, fellow man, and wish to keep them from harm.  People are intelligent enough to realize that dishonest people aren't going to be happy when exposed for their covertly dishonest business practices and obviously these con-artists would like to exact evil upon the whistleblowers.  The more you demand our identity Mr. Powers, the more observers will recognize your misdeeds at PHP...so keep demanding and confirming your true intent. 
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#13 General Comment

Credibility

AUTHOR: Paul Powers - (United States of America)

A person that is not willing to identify himself or herself in a public forum has no credibility.

Also, I wouldn't look for input from someone that didn't make in Network Marketing to help me determine if network marketing works or not. I would listen to someone that has shown that it works.

Just like I would not seek mentorship from someone who failed in real estate on whether real estate works or not.

I personally wish you luck in your endeavors.
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#14 Consumer Comment

Oh, and as far as the OP is concerned...

AUTHOR: Steve - (USA)

Why should he call you? If you have a specific defense of your company (i.e. something different than God, the American Way, etc) put it out here for all to see. 

BTW, do you guys have a website disclosing the full details of your "opportunity," e.g. commissions, rules, etc? Do you also have on the website disclosures of average/median incomes, etc?  It is hard to find it via Google, due to PHP being a scripting language as well. 
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#15 Consumer Comment

I wasn't the OP

AUTHOR: Steve - (USA)

Just to clarify, I am not the original poster. I am just trying to protect people from the dishonest. And as I mentioned, this is not PHP-specific, but applies to all MLMs. 
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#16 General Comment

PHP a Scam - NOT

AUTHOR: Paul Powers - (United States of America)

I don't recall receiving a phone call from you identifying who you really are.

It's easy to make accusations about a great company and it's wonderful people without disclosing your true identity and contact information. It's apparently also quite easy for you to insult people without providing a reasonable response.

The best thing you can so is call me directly and set a time to get together with me so, we can have a civil discussion.

You have proven my point by responding to my rebuttal in the manner you did.

Good luck to you.
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#17 Consumer Comment

By the way, you will get many absurd posts like the one above from MLM members

AUTHOR: Steve - (USA)

Again people - if you can take just ONE thing out of this, it is to never, EVER, get involved with an MLM. I am not singling out PHP: they are ALL ripoffs, and they all have some similar themes, like the ones posted above:

"One thing I love about this country is that we have freedom of speech. We have the freedom to try. We have the freedom to choose. We have the freedom to win and we have the freedom to lose. "

For some reason a lot of them put in a bunch of crap about how their taking your money is somehow patriotic, and the pinnacle of capitalism. Hey, you have the "freedom to try", so try us! You have the "freedom to win or lose", so ignore any risks of losing! 

Sorry guys, but capitalism produces wealth, whereas MLM just transfers it. More importantly, capitalism is all about open information about the market, and MLMers hate to be exposed.


"I was born in another country, came here to the land of opportunity, yada yada yada"
Again, more of this nonsense.

"We are free to make the effort to be successful but, at the same time, we are not guaranteed to be successful.  "
Holy cow, does  this dreck never stop? We get it, nothing is guaranteed. Hey why don't we dump all our money into lotto tickets - look at the American success stories where it made people rich! What's that? A lot more gets lost than won in lotto? Well, that's America, no guarantee of success, blah, blah, blah.

"Most people that have a job mindset. We were raised to think that way. We were told to go to school. Get good grades. Go to college. Get a degree and then, hopefully, get a "job" with benefits.a pension or 401K and retire in the "golden years" with social security and the fruits of our labors."

Ah, yes, the old "don't get a J.O.B (jerkoff to some boss)" spiel. I wonder what we would see if we compared those that had jobs vs those that did MLM. Oh wait, we DO! Let's take a look, shall we?

Let's see, if you are smack in the middle of the pack - i.e. sandwiched in between the lower and higher 50% of all workers - you are making a little over $40,000. No what if you made it that far in, say, Herbalife? a little over $1,000 a year. Now, the average person at this level only works 4 hours a week (would you be able to really do any better?), but let's say we extrapolated it to a 40 hour work week - well that is 10x the work, so they would get a whopping $10,000 a year working full time! If a person with a J.O.B. was getting that little, he would be in the BOTTOM 90%! 

These numbers are similar for ALL MLMs. 

"95% of Americans are being left behind". Really? Anyone making less than $220,000 a year is "left behind"? 

Our leaders within PHP had the guts to go out, against all odds, to try to make a difference in America, by bringing back the "free enterprise" system to the "average Joes", like me. -ready to vomit yet? If I open up a store, I can sell any brand I want, from any supplier I want. Try doing THAT in an MLM. "Free Enterprise"? I think not.

The first thing that crossed my mind was, "Wow, this is exciting!" This is the kicker. 100% of all MLMers love the word "exciting". Keep that in mind.

Since that time, we have grown from around 75 or 80 associates to over 6,000! As has every Ponzi scheme since the beginning of time.

 God has his hands on this company - I think the PHP guys are taking a page out of Amway's book here. If someone ever invokes God in financial situation, you are getting taken.

A company has to take a stand for America. If that sounds crazy to you, tell that to our Founding Fathers. Many people thought they were "crazy" for taking a stand. If they hadnt, you and I would not have the opportunities we have today. - God, I know I should stop quoting these. It is like not being able to take my eyes away from a car accident. 

 if you are coachable, teachable and willing to move at the speed of instruction -Yeah, if I was fleecing you, having you be "coachable" would definitely make my job easier.

OK, I have to stop now, as the rest of his post was the same slop. And again, I am not singling out 
PHP - every MLM is just as bad.

The one thing he said that I agree with: Do your own research. Find reputable sources to investigate our company

Cannot agree more. This means obviously not listening to members of the MLM. In fact, do not google PHP, or any other particular MLM; that way you will avoid negative remarks from competitors. Google MLMWatch; they have no profit motive just a little link if you want to donate. 

Oh, and never buy a timeshare :)
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#18 General Comment

People Helping People Scam - NOT

AUTHOR: Paul Powers - (United States of America)

People Helping People PHP Bringing back the free enterprise system! Internet, Internet My name is Paul Powers. My wife and I are Marketing Directors with People Helping People in the Simi Valley, California area.

One thing I love about this country is that we have freedom of speech. We have the freedom to try. We have the freedom to choose. We have the freedom to win and we have the freedom to lose.
I was born in another country. Before my mother brought us to this country, she told us that "We are going to America! The land of opportunity. A special land where all people are free to live their lives free from persecution, a special country where - - all we had to do is work hard and we could be successful."

We are free to make the effort to be successful but, at the same time, we are not guaranteed to be successful. We only have the opportunity to try.

Most people that have a job mindset. We were raised to think that way. We were told to go to school. Get good grades. Go to college. Get a degree and then, hopefully, get a "job" with benefits, a pension or 401K and retire in the "golden years" with social security and the fruits of our labors.
However, we found out the hard way, especially the last 3 or 4 years, that that is just a myth for the majority of Americans. 95% of America was left behind. I dont know how you feel about that but, it really bothers me.

We Americans deserve better than that. Thats one of the reasons I am proud to be with PHP.
Our leaders within PHP had the guts to go out, against all odds, to try to make a difference in America, by bringing back the "free enterprise" system to the "average Joes", like me.

I remember when the Patrick Bet-David, the Chairman of PHP, called me to come to a recording studio in Northridge, California, where he informed me with heart-felt excitement that we were starting a company called "People Helping People".

The first thing that crossed my mind was, "Wow, this is exciting!" The second thing that crossed my mind is a name like "People Helping People" was a big responsibility. If you are going to call a company "People Helping People", you better stand up to that name and help people!

I also remember our Chairman, Patrick Bet-David, telling us the "competition" would not like us, that we would face lawsuits, negativity, false accusations about our company for a few years until such time as we could prove the great things our company stands for are a reality.

He told me that it would not be an easy journey but, that someone, a handful of courageous people with faith, family and business as a proper priority, could make a difference.

He told the original 75 the odds were against us. He told us that he would understand if we did not want to make that journey. He said it would be tough. Our competitors would say bad things about us. (As a matter of fact, they still initiate bad press for us even today.)

Patrick Bet-David was right about all these things. We, however, just celebrated our 26th month in business. Since that time, we have grown from around 75 or 80 associates to over 6,000!
Folks, I respect your right to believe in whatever you want to believe in but, I personally believe God has his hands on this company and wants us to succeed. Thats my opinion, you can call me a "crazy" but, thats what I believe.

Someone, a group of people, a company has to take a stand for America. If that sounds crazy to you, tell that to our Founding Fathers. Many people thought they were "crazy" for taking a stand. If they hadnt, you and I would not have the opportunities we have today.

Folks, People Helping People is full of great people trying to make a better lives for themselves by educating people about how money works and by sharing an opportunity with other people that want better lives for themselves and their families.

I happened to speak with a business owner today, that has been in business for over 20 years, he informed me that there are plenty of jobs in America. They are, however, NOT the jobs that many people would fight for.

What kinds of opportunities do single moms have available to them in todays economy that would allow their children the same opportunities we had when we were growing up? The answer is obvious. Many people are taking pay cuts, in lieu of being laid off and those that are laid off usually end up at a job with a much lower pay scale than they had originally.

The options of 95% of Americans are growing smaller by the day, month and year with no relief in sight in the near future. I call it, "The downsizing of the American Dream."

Heres where PHP comes in. PHP is an opportunity for all of us to make a difference in our own lives and the lives of other people, as well.

You can call it "MLM". You can call it "Multi-Level Marketing". You can call it "Network Marketing". You can call it a "Pyramid". You can call it a brokerage". You can call it anything you want. It doesnt matter what you call it because it works. It works for my family. It is working for many families in our company.

If what you are doing is working for you, allows you peace of mind and the knowledge that your income is only limited by your level of commitment to succeed, while doing the right thing for others, then keep doing what you are doing. However, if you are not experiencing these things in your life and really want to make changes, People Helping People may be the opportunity for you.
Are you guaranteed success? Of course not! Who can guarantee your success? The answer is no one but yourself.

Answer this..If you get a real estate license are you "guaranteed" to be successful in real estate or mortgages? If you pass the "bar exam" are you guaranteed to be a success as a lawyer? If you graduate medical school are you guaranteed to be a successful doctor? The answer to all of these questions is "NO".

Whose responsibility is it for you to be successful? The answer is "You".
PHP has a system in place, that if you are coachable, teachable and willing to move at the speed of instruction, may help you secure a great financial future, a future your family and friends can be proud of, a future you can be proud of and a company you can be proud of.

Now, I know that someone else is going to come along and say something contrary to everything I have just said in this written statement. My final words are as follows, "Do your own research. Find reputable sources to investigate our company, other than forums that allow false accusations and theories that dont have to be or cant be substantiated."

I love a company that has the type of leaders, single moms, single dads, married couples, younger people, older people, people from all walks of life, countries, nationalities and religions in it, working to change the lives of thousands of families for the better!

What a great company we have called "People Helping People". Hopefully, you can be a part of it.
Finally, I believe in this company, its leaders and its Chairman so much, I am willing to include my personal contact information for anyone that wants to call me to discuss PHP. My personal cell phone number is 818-397-7455. This is my real number.

Call me if you want the real story about what kind of company PHP People Helping People is. I am proud to be an American and a PHP dreamer. My name is Paul Powers
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#19 Consumer Suggestion

People - NEVER get involved with an MLM

AUTHOR: Steve - (USA)

Not just this one, but ANY MLM. Trust me, they are all scams that prey on the stupid. They flirt on the edge of anti-Ponzi laws, barely staying on the right side of the law.

If you do join an MLM, I'll be looking forward to your RipoffReport in the future talking about how you were scammed. Listen to me now, or pay later!
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#20 Consumer Comment

MLM Reputation For Helping People and Management techniques

AUTHOR: Ricky Gervais - (United States of America)

Looks like being proactive with your mlm reputation management is very important and updating everybody via Facebook and Twitter about the matters at hand is rather important thanks for the heads up. 
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#21 UPDATE Employee

Questions Encouraged, Answers Required

AUTHOR: Bo Gibbs - (United States of America)

No company, especially one that proudly calls itself People Helping People, wants to read about negative experiences for its potential clients or associates. Since PHP was launched in 2009, we have tried to hold ourselves to the highest ethical standards, so it is distressing to read accounts that would suggest we are somehow conducting business in an improper way. As Chief Marketing Officer for PHP, I realize there will be those times when we make mistakes, but overall we want anyone who comes in contact with us to know that we take our word and our values very seriously. 

Although we can’t fix the negative experience that you had after the fact, we can at least share what we aspire to be. To start, we believe in honesty and transparency in all of our relationships and business dealings. It is our policy to disclose all costs, fees and contractual details to clients, employees, agents and partners.

Second, at PHP, we want to encourage open dialog and questions from anyone considering joining our team. It does neither party any good to have misunderstandings and unanswered questions. I apologize if you were made to feel that your questions were unwelcome. That is certainly not how we want our agents to respond to questions.  


Like any successful and quickly growing business, we will make our share of mistakes.  Occasionally there will be an associate that is not in step with our values, and in these cases, corrective measures will be made. We certainly apologize for any offense that might have been caused by any employee or agent.  If you are interested in seeing what our community is all about please join our conversation on Facebook or Twitter.


Regards,


Bo Gibbs, Chief Marketing Officer, People Helping People
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