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I would like to keep in touch with Laureen - Windham, New York. I, too have been scammed by Prosper, Inc. If Devin Willis fails to refund my $9,285, I will publish my own story here. I am also interested in participating in Laureen's class action process against Prosper, Inc.

I would like to keep in touch with Laureen - Windham, New York. I, too have been scammed by Prosper, Inc. If Devin Willis fails to refund my $9,285, I will publish my own story here. I am also interested in participating in Laureen's class action process against Prosper, Inc.

I would like to keep in touch with Laureen - Windham, New York. I, too have been scammed by Prosper, Inc. If Devin Willis fails to refund my $9,285, I will publish my own story here. I am also interested in participating in Laureen's class action process against Prosper, Inc.

Hey there Everyone,

I hope that this rebuttal finds you in good spirits and health.

Brad is an intelligent fellow and I'll prove it to you through a discussion.

BRAD: If you read the comments made by these people you can see what kind of people they are.

REID: I can tell you what kind of person brad is.
Brad is obviously a loser! A person who cannot obtain legitimate employment, thus goes out and seeks work for a scam company.

A company, in which hires drug addicts, former girlfriends (bend over buddies) of the incarcerated and "result of incest" beings.

Your typical bottom of the barrel, scum of the earth kind of person. There's no such thing as legitimate "wealth building" mentoring programs, oterwise Brad would be participating in it himself, as opposed to perpetuating the scam.

There's no such company and or "Guru" out there, who is willing and or able to "mentor" total strangers to "wealth". Even if such a program were legit, you can rest assured, that the cost of the program would far exceed it's earning potental.

BRAD: For example Linda wrote, "I bought Multiple Streams of Income by Jay Abraham." Ok, number 1 Jay never wrote that book, it is by Robert Allen.

REID: Any third grader could've figured out, that Linda meant "from" Jay Abraham. I have been scammed by the fraudulent John Beck Mentoring Institute by Mike Evans.

It would've been an honest mistake for me to have inadvertantly listed Mike Evans as the author of John Beck's fraudulent program, as opposed to the d!ck sucker who sold me on it.

What's your point Brad? Mentoring Programs are ALL scams! Illegal boiler room operations!

1. Victim purchases crap being peddled via misleading, deceptive and flat out fraudulent Infomercial. Non disclosure of pertinent facts and hidden disclaimers burried deep within the fine print are just a tip of the iceburg.

2. Victim is later contacted by one of the many illegal third party marketing companies operating through illegal boiler rooms.

3. Fraudulent company persuades their victims to agree to tape recored agreements, by using fraudulent sales pitches, and UNSUBSTANTIATED claims.

4. Fraudulent company DOES NOT tape record their sales personel's bogus sales pitches?

5. The cost of "mentoring" programs are directly proportional to ones "available credit", which literally means whatever one has "available" on his or her credit card?

Wouldn't it be nice if the prices of homes and luxury world class exotic automobiles were determined? LMAO at intelligent Brad.

6. Contracts from "mentoring" programs are nothing but jokes. You mean to tell me, that John Beck, the "attorney", couldn't draft what constitutes a legally binding and enforceable contract? What a f%cking joke!

7. "2 day right to cancel" is just a stall tactic used by fraudulent companies, in hope that a victim's right to dispute expires. Better known as the runaround period.

If you have been scammed by one of the many fraudulent and unscrupulous companies, immediately contact your credit card company and dispute the charge.

Submit a dispute form claiming, that the tranaction in question had been based on blatant misrepresentation and deception.

NOTE: There's no such thing as a "2 day right to cancel". Fraudulent companies only state such preposterous policies to make their victims believe, that he or she has no recourse after the 2 days have expired.

Most credit card companies have a two-three month window, in which victims of fraudulent activities may come forward to dispute charges in an "OPEN" forum.

Something fraudulent companies are never willing or able to do, thus making it very easy for victims of scams to obtain refunds.

BRAD: Number two she claims that Prosper knows the credit info, no way. I work there for a year and the only information we have on you is the information "YOU" submit to us. Then going on to claim we are PMI, yeah right, do you research a little before you make such claims. I worked for Prosper for over a year. I have seen what they do and how they talk to people on the phone. I have found NO FAULT in them so far. I myself am in the internet program. There will always be people who say they were scammed but it is not true. They didn't put in the work required to make it happen. I told everyone that to start a business takes a lot of work. Even though are coaches are great, you still going to have to work for it. Some people don't put in the work required and that is why they find themselves in the situation they are in. If anybody as something to say about Prosper are wants to ask me a question email me, Bradlawson25@yahoo.com, I would be happy to tell you the truth and not what other people say who DON"T know what they are talking about. As for Anthony, you are way off. Prosper is the best at coaching that I have ever seen. They have helped SO MANY people I have had so many clients called back and talk to me about their real-estate or their marketing increasing and so forth. Prosper will always be around because they are honest and good in what they do.

REID: I am not even going to respond to this long nonsense, which says or proves absoultely nothing about the company in question. This part of Brad's rebuttal has nothing to do with anything.

Just as they always do, employees from fraudulent companies attempt to engage in battles of "my word against yours" and are NEVER willing to come forward in the public eye with PROOF to the contrary and just lay it all out in the open.

A LITTLE PROOF GOES A LONG WAY!

Until next time, take care Everyone cause I care, aloha from Hawaii and God Bless.

If you read the comments made by these people you can see what kind of people they are. For example Linda wrote, "I bought Multiple Streams of Income by Jay Abraham." Ok, number 1 Jay never wrote that book, it is by Robert Allen. Number two she claims that Prosper knows the credit info, no way. I work there for a year and the only information we have on you is the information "YOU" submit to us. Then going on to claim we are PMI, yeah right, do you research a little before you make such claims. I worked for Prosper for over a year. I have seen what they do and how they talk to people on the phone. I have found NO FAULT in them so far. I myself am in the internet program. There will always be people who say they were scammed but it is not true. They didn't put in the work required to make it happen. I told everyone that to start a business takes a lot of work. Even though are coaches are great, you still going to have to work for it. Some people don't put in the work required and that is why they find themselves in the situation they are in. If anybody as something to say about Prosper are wants to ask me a question email me, Bradlawson25@yahoo.com, I would be happy to tell you the truth and not what other people say who DON"T know what they are talking about. As for Anthony, you are way off. Prosper is the best at coaching that I have ever seen. They have helped SO MANY people I have had so many clients called back and talk to me about their real-estate or their marketing increasing and so forth. Prosper will always be around because they are honest and good in what they do.

Using the threat of criminal charges in a monetary disupte could be interpreted as extortion. So don't phrase it as a quid pro quo. But let them know there is a fraud element.

I will be contacting the Provo and the State of Utah prosecuting authorities this week. I am amazed they are still in business.

Anthony,

There seem to have been many federal statutes that PMG has violated. You can read my report at http://www.ripoffreport.com/reports/ripoff123790.htm

There is a lot of information contained within my comments as well as comments made by others viewing these pages. You also need to read between the lines on some of them to see who is all reading these posts.

The biggest federal statutes PMG violated involve the ILLEGAL DEALINGS THEY HAD TO HAVE HAD IN ORDER TO SECURE NAMES AND FINANCIAL INFORMATION OF THEIR TARGETED VICTIMS. PMG knew my "available credit limit" on my card before they called me! There are also tips in my report for consumers on how to protect themselves when purchasing online and how to check and protect your credit report for NO CHARGE! My identity was stolen last year. If PMG thought that posting my last name would scare me off since my identity was stolen last year, they are WRONG! In fact, I would like to say that my identity is being heavily watched right now. Bad move!

By the way, recent hacking attempts on my computer have not worked, nor will they. Keep trying though. It gives me more evidence. After my identity was stolen, I got angry. Now I am pursuing justice. I guess this has made someone VERY MAD at me. LOL

An additional federal statute violated is the "bait and switch" tactic they used on me. My ordeal started with the "bait and lure", the purchase of the "Multiple Streams of Income" book by Jay Abraham. The "switch" came when PMG called me saying they were considering me for their mentoring program. Then the "hook" came when they asked to charge the tools I needed for this success to my credit card. With guarantees that I would make this money back within 3 months, which I have in writing since they were working with me to make me their "success story", I did not worry. After owning and running businesses myself before, I knew that I could succeed. Now that I have an operational website, SkatersParadICE.com, I have the time to pursue justice from PMG and all of their other hidden identities they use.

My contact information is also included in my report since PMG posted my name! You would not believe the response I have received so far. That was the biggest mistake PMG made. I also included the names of over 50 business entities being used by this group of incompetent web hosts looking to phish for innocent people looking to make money by making a smart business investment.

You are right when you said that they do not disclose the cost of this program until the third or fourth phone call. If PMG wants to use your success story for their mentoring program, then they should front the cost of the program and you pay them back after you make the money back. They will not do that since their program is a fraud.

Some names being used include and are not limited to:
John Beck, Robert Allen, PMG, EPMG, Energy Professional Marketing Group, Professional Marketing Group, Private Mentoring Group, PMG Mentors, Fortius, Secure Gate, Secure Offer, Vermotion, Prosper, Inc., Prosper Learning, prosperlearning.com,pmgmentors.com, pmgicoaching.vermotion.net, pmgtech.com, multiple streams of income, PMI coaching, usight home inc., EPenzio, Russ Dalbey, Hacket Media, PMI, Robert Allen, auction secrets, auctionsecrets.com, brightbuilder.com, bright builders, foreclosures.com, foreclosures, EPI, epibiz, power profit system, mentors in motion, passport to millions, wealth and self, cash secrets, Nathan Kenyon, Auctions for Income, Dave Espino, Jim Cochran, Greg Cooper, NMR, IDI, Auctions 4 Income, Quicksite National Marketing Resources, National Marketing Resources, Iworks, Incorporated, Virtual Contact Incorporated, Paynet Merchant Services, Professional Marketing International, PMI Coaching, ITC Internet Treasure Chest, IDI Global, Summit Consulting, Online Supplier Coaching, onlinesupplier.com, online supplier, Netgateway, StoresOnline.com, Galaxy Mall, Imergent, Internet Treasure Chest, Frank Kerns, Stores Online, Foreclosureworld, Summit Group, Summit Consulting, Colton Moody, Internet Development, Income Success Team, The Tax Club, Links 4 Trade, Professional Consulting Services, PCS, nmrcoaching, pmicoaching, quicksitebuilder, and Dolf De Roos.

I also am seeing that once someone received a refund for part of their money, they are being solicited by new emails to purchase some other bogus program they are selling. In turn, some people have been scammed by the same company 2 or 3 times, not realizing they all are connected.

Any additional comments that you may have Anthony, after reading my post would be greatly appreciated. Please respond by e-mail. Let's not let PMG know everything that is going on until it is time. Anyone is welcome to send their contact (e-mail) information and thoughts.

9. Title 16, Part 238.2(b) of the Code of Federal Regulations states

(b) Even though the true facts are subsequently made known to the viewer, the law is violated if the first contact or interview is secured by deception.

Energy Professional aka PMG aks PRosper usually solicits its first contact by claiming that Robert Allen only wants to use your "success story" in his Millionaire Challenge.

If you were not told up front that you would have to spend thousands of dollars which they would not want to refund to you after a certain time period then you have been defrauded.

This business is committing fraud in interestate commerce which violates Federal statutes.

I think this can be considered fraud and racketeering. Go for their throats.

The previous guy who commented might be a PMG employee! Or should I say PROSPERing employee? Yep, these losers have changed their name to Prosper. I hope anyone doing a search on this website still finds this info. PMG is out to make money, and they snag innocent people by promising to make them successful beyond their wildest dreams. Once we've taken the bait, we find ourselves in a nightmarish relationship with a mentor who doesn't know squat about helping us succeed. PMG wants to improve their bottom line and make money. Anyone willing to pay for their services is fair game.

I don't need to repeat the well documented scam that PMG is. I paid around $5,000 and completed the 10 weeks mentoring because after a few conversations I realized that they would play a blame the victim game. That is if you do not complete this bullshit then it is your fault for not completeing your side of the agreement all the while that PMG is in flagarant violation of its obligations to provide meaningful mentoring. Completing the program and working on my web site made me a few days late for the 90 day cutoff for contesting a credit card charge -- but also gave me documentation on how PMG did not even address very reasonable complaints I had with its web hosting (Vermotion). My credit card company said that it costs them money if they launch a back charge and are ultimately unsuccessful -- i.e. the original charges are upheld in arbitration. But, perhaps because I had a copy of all my e-mails proving gross derelection of duty, they initiated the back charge. PMG had no leg to stand on, and they did not contest the back charge. However, I had wired them $1,000 because I could only put $4,000 on my credit card. When the time frame for a rebuttal of the back charge had lapsed, I contacted PMG for a refund of the remaining $1,000. Initially they tried to say that the $4,000 was an entire refund, etc, but they asked me to put my request in writing. And, did I. I pointed out to them that they had misrepresented my chances of success, misrepresented the level of personal attention that would be given to me, and misrepresented a verbal money back guarantee. This money back guarantee was key to my joining the program. Apparently the closer made this to me because I was very hesitant to join because I could not afford to loose money. I remember distinctly that the recorded closing telephone call included this guarantee. It was why I decided to try it. I would not have sent them the money without it, which they probably sensed. When, in the information gathering phase of my pursuit of a refund, I requested and obtained this recording -- the guarantee had been omitted. All PMG had to do was push the stop button on the tape recorder when these promises were made, then resume to record a normal close. But I think the most significant thing I pointed out to PMG was that misrepresentation was not a simple refund dispute, but a CRIMINAL charge. PMG wanted me to sign a document that I would make no further claims to them before they issued me the remaining $1,000.00, but the wording on this statement was botched so that it could be construed that this $1,000 was total compensation. I refused and offered my own statement. The interesting thing is, that in the process they INSISTED on returning the $1,000.00 even if I didn't sign. Given everyone elses difficulty in obtaining a refund, I have to conclude that they are keen to avoid a CRIMINAL charge, and will do whatever is necessary. As I was searching the net, I discovered, but can neither validate nor remember the source, that one of Robert Allen's previous partners sits in jail on criminal charges. A dispute over charges is just litigation and they can apparently argue forever. In initial discussions with lawyers, and also with the credit card representatives it was pointed out that the "contract" was so vague that PMG was not in breach of contract because, in fact, their "contract" was too vague to promise anything at all. Many scam artists know just where the line between hype and misrepresentation falls and come just under the wire with carefully contstructed documents that appear as all fluff to a lawyer. And, it is legal to charge unlimited amounts for no real promises (more of no service is still no service or 6 more months of bullshit is still just bullshit). The threat of criminal charges -- and substantial misrepresentation is criminal (fraud as in fraudulent misrepresentation) -- gets their attention.

*Box that weighted 100# of material to read. (That seems like a lot of information)

* You receive 8 mentoring sessions over the phone, most of which was talking about what we were doing, and a few items of creative financing in real estate.
(You got sessions that you took part in)

*You were over whelmed with e-mails to read.
(I wish the companies I delt with sent e-mails and information. Is this a bad thing?)

*You thought that this endeavor would take at least 8 hours a day to get up and running. And feel strongly that this company should give us back our money.
(any worth while endeavor require hours of dedication and learning. I would never spend $10,000 on any program, but you did, and according to what you wrote they are giving you services!, maybe too much? I read your letter 10x and tried to see where they ripped you off. I read the others who reported this company and it appears all have been resolved except two. They seem to want to do what is fair?

It seems easier to put the blame on these guys or something outside ourselves, than to acknowledge that the consequences were caused by our own choices. I do it and I am trying to take more accept my choices. anyhow take it for what is worth.