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Complaint Review: Police Department (Officer Chase Parkey, Badge Number 129) - Warrensburg Missouri

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  • Police Department (Officer Chase Parkey, Badge Number 129) 102 S Holden St Warrensburg, Missouri U.S.A.
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Police Department (Officer Chase Parkey, Badge Number 129) Police corruption: openly ticketing legally parked out of town cars for bogus fines and court costs to increase city revenues Warrensburg Missouri

*Consumer Comment: Samne person

*Author of original report: Thank you Rachel and David is mistaken

*Consumer Comment: What a cluster!

*Consumer Suggestion: Assumptions..

*Consumer Suggestion: Assumptions..

*Consumer Suggestion: Assumptions..

*Consumer Suggestion: Assumptions..

*Author of original report: Public Servants and Response to Pete

*Consumer Comment: I sleep very well at night.

*Consumer Comment: Hey, Brian--

*Author of original report: Daniel the twist and shout is getting old, find something new!

*Consumer Comment: Please "clarify" or "qualify"

*Author of original report: Thanx for the advice Steve

*Consumer Comment: Only proof that you are goofy?

*Consumer Suggestion: All of this could have been prevented. VERY EASILY!

*Consumer Suggestion: All of this could have been prevented. VERY EASILY!

*Consumer Suggestion: All of this could have been prevented. VERY EASILY!

*Author of original report: Re-re-re-stating the facts

*Author of original report: Re-re-re-stating the facts

*Author of original report: Re-re-re-stating the facts

*Author of original report: Re-re-re-stating the facts

*Consumer Comment: Also a victim

*Consumer Comment: Maturity MUST be a matter of opinion

*Consumer Comment: So Brian

*Consumer Comment: Waiting for the evidence.

*Author of original report: Response to Elizabeth - Keep trying and you may eventually get it straight

*Author of original report: Response to Elizabeth - Keep trying and you may eventually get it straight

*Author of original report: Response to Elizabeth - Keep trying and you may eventually get it straight

*Author of original report: Response to Elizabeth - Keep trying and you may eventually get it straight

*Author of original report: Response to Daniel - Keep the desperate insults coming!

*Consumer Comment: Conspiracy?

*Consumer Comment: Proven nothing, still goofy.

*Author of original report: Response to Pete - What exactly did you find?

*Consumer Comment: Yup, here it is

*Author of original report: Response to Daniels offer to be my lawyer... Okay, maybe not ;-)

*Consumer Suggestion: THE VERITABLE KING OF WHINERS...

*Consumer Comment: Brian you are still Goofy

*Author of original report: Serving Justice VS Lining Pocketbooks

*Consumer Suggestion: just a little thought

*Consumer Comment: The Truth: Brian tis a Scofflaw

*Author of original report: Finally some closure!

*Author of original report: Finally some closure!

*Author of original report: Finally some closure!

*Consumer Suggestion: You should be so lucky

*Consumer Comment: How much do you make in an hour?

*Consumer Comment: re Just park illegally park in Boise, Idaho

*Consumer Comment: Brian must have seen the error of his ways.

*Consumer Comment: Brian must have seen the error of his ways.

*Consumer Comment: Brian must have seen the error of his ways.

*Consumer Comment: And a good time will be had by all

*Consumer Comment: POLICE CORRUPTION REVEALED!!!

*Consumer Comment: POLICE CORRUPTION REVEALED!!!

*Consumer Comment: POLICE CORRUPTION REVEALED!!!

*Consumer Comment: Brian's ticket taken care of yet?

*Consumer Comment: What Happened in Court?

*UPDATE EX-employee responds: WAY OFF BASE

*Consumer Comment: Ridiculous

*Author of original report: Prosecutor will not allow the Public Works Department to release documentation that proves Bruce Howey tampered with evidence

*Author of original report: I chose to publicly expose the Warrensburg Police Department's corruption & morally bereft practices (extortion, double-speak, half-truths, bold-faced lies, & tampering with evidence) because I believe that their behavior has been reprehensible

*Consumer Suggestion: If the police weren't on a vendetta at first, they are now.

*Author of original report: John is stuck, Kim is confused, and questions for Dennis

*Consumer Comment: Did you forget to take your medication Brian??

*Consumer Comment: brian and dennis couple questions

*Author of original report: Response to John and Kim, setting the record straight

*Consumer Comment: John is a rambling cop apologist kim doesn't get it plus advice to Brian

*Author of original report: Signage change was ordered by Chief of Police Bruce Howey

*Consumer Comment: Since you do not want to take advice taker down the road

*Consumer Comment: Since you do not want to take advice taker down the road

*Consumer Comment: Since you do not want to take advice taker down the road

*Author of original report: Signage on Jefferson has been changed!

*Consumer Comment: Sounds like the law is on your side

*Consumer Comment: Get off the soapbox! ..police do not interpret the law they enforce it

*Consumer Comment: Get off the soapbox! ..police do not interpret the law they enforce it

*Consumer Comment: Get off the soapbox! ..police do not interpret the law they enforce it

*Consumer Comment: Get off the soapbox! ..police do not interpret the law they enforce it

*Consumer Comment: Just a parking ticket?

*Consumer Suggestion: Take it to court

*Author of original report: Prosecutor will not help and response to Timothy and Paul

*Consumer Comment: Who cares how much it was?

*Consumer Comment: OF COURSE it's about the money...

*Author of original report: Comments and questions for John, Paul, and Joey

*Consumer Comment: Dennis your being silly!

*Consumer Comment: Arguing with the cops was doomed to cause you grief

*Consumer Comment: Info on cops and possible explanation of John Paul and Joey

*Consumer Suggestion: Save it for the courts

*Consumer Suggestion: How much is the fine?

*Consumer Suggestion: Enough already! police corruption over a parking ticket

*Author of original report: Warrensburg Missouri Police Corruption includes Chase Parkey, Jason Gilber, and Chief of Police Bruce Howey

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My wife, my children, and I were in Warrensburg Missouri (which is a little more than an hour from where we live in Kansas) on May 7, 2005 to attend the college graduation ceremony of a relative there. Our plans were simple; go to the graduation, hang out at the new graduates' apartment for a little while, then drive home.

When the graduation was over, we drove to the apartment complex, parked our car, and went in. Two hours later, when we returned to our car, we found a parking citation (ticket) on our car's windshield.

The ticket was written by Officer Chase Parkey (Badge Number 129) of the Warrensburg Missouri Police Department. It stated that the committed offense was Parked in a posted no parking zone. The location was 415 Jefferson.

This parking ticket is fraudulent. On the south side of Jefferson, there are at least six No Parking signs, evenly spaced along the entire block. On the north side of Jefferson, there are two No Parking signs, one at each end of the block. There are no yellow curbs on this block of Jefferson. We parked our car (a small Honda) on the north side of the street facing west at mid-block. The only No Parking signs within more than one hundred feet of our car were those on the south side of the street.

When we first discovered the ticket, we were amazed that anyone (especially an officer of the law) would think that a ticket like this was justified, given the layout of the area and the place where we parked. Others emerging from the graduation party agreed that the ticket had questionable merit at best.

The next day, I wrote a letter to the correspondence address printed on the back of the ticket. I explained the situation in detail and politely asked them' to reconsider the ticket. Four weeks later, I had received no reply, so I called them and inquired as to the status of my letter and my request. The lady I spoke with politely explained that she could not find any indication that they had ever received my letter. She further explained that it would probably be best if I just spoke to the officer that wrote the ticket. She took my name and number and said that Mr. Parkey would call me later that evening. He did.

Up to this point, we had been of the opinion that this whole thing was just an oversight (a mistake, if you will) on the part of the officer. A cynical acquaintance of ours heard what we were dealing with and proclaimed that we had fallen into the midst of a corrupt police shakedown operation. We dismissed this notion; we tend to trust law enforcement and have taught our children that law enforcement corruption is the exception, not the rule. However, after speaking with Mr. Parkey, I am convinced that we did indeed stumble into a legitimate case of law enforcement corruption.

When I spoke with Mr. Parkey, I explained the situation in detail and politely asked him to reconsider the ticket. His response was incredible. He said that on the afternoon in question, he had been dispatched to the area to investigate a complaint that had been phoned in by someone'; there were several cars parked on the street illegally and this someone' could not get into his driveway. Mr. Parkey explained that he had asked the vehicle owners he could find to move their vehicles but that he had to ticket the vehicles whose owners he could not locate. I responded by telling him that despite all of this, I still believed that our vehicle was parked legally due to the absence of any No Parking signs or yellow curbing in the vicinity of our car. Incredibly, he agreed! At this point, I felt I might be getting somewhere so I repeated my request that he reconsider the ticket. He refused, stating, I stick to my guns in a case like this when I'm there because someone has called in a complaint. Stunned, I protested, But we didn't break the law! Unapologetically, he replied, I understand. Take it to the judge. You probably have a case. At this point, I was so floored that I did not know what else to say so I politely excused myself from the call and hung up.

I know this sounds incredible, but every bit of it is true. In fact, as I re-read what I have written above, I wonder: Who on earth would believe this? If I were reading this of someone else, I would be very skeptical. So much of this is just simply unbelievable. Why did this happen like this? When the police officer acknowledged that we had parked legally (and he did without equivocation), why would he stick to his guns' and refuse to reconsider the ticket? Furthermore, what law in Warrensburg Missouri allows a citizen to complain about legal activity and thereby render it illegal?

This can only be the work of a corrupt police officer. I cannot fathom the whole police department being in on this. My cynical acquaintance thinks otherwise. He says, Follow the money. They're all in this to make money. They don't care about the law. They saw your Kansas tag and figured they'd either get your fine money or the court cost money, and either way its money from Kansas coming into Missouri; it's a net gain for them.

This is about to drive me mad! Am I missing something here?

If anyone has any comments, please share them! I really want to understand the truth of this matter, though I am afraid I might already.

Brian
Gardner, Kansas
U.S.A.

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#88 Consumer Comment

Samne person

AUTHOR: Pzman - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Sunday, April 26, 2009

All- just so you know, Brian and Dennis are the same person. Brian is a guy who likes the attention and "Dennie" (his on line alter ego) was created to make it seem like someone actually agrees with him.

Hey Brian- the Police Chief can do anything he wants with street signs if he feels it will help the safety of the public. And no, it is not "tampering with evidence" as you so blindly said it was. A court can easily go back and look at records as to when the signage was changed and from what it was changed from. So your whacked out conspiracy theory is WAY out there my friend. In terms of placing value on your time, the amount of time that you have now wasted posting these insane things would be equal to about 12 of your tickets. Real brilliant genius! You said in a recent post here "The point has already been made that corruption is corruption." and you insinuate that they are missing the point. No Brian, it is you missing the point. There is NO corruption here. None. Period. End of story. However, this is the best line from your fairy tale: "I decided that, for the sake of my own safety, I would skip my court date". LOL!! Thats priceless! You didn't want to go to court, face a judge and the officer who ticked you for fear that the Officer would shoot you in the court room? And then your "relative (Dennis again??) is too afraid to take pictures of the signs? Again, I bet he was terribly afraid for his life! LOL! You are a raging lunatic Brian!

I love how you refer to this Police Department like some kind of Mafia organization. You keep saying that there is a "bulletproof racket in place". Thats funny! I know how you meant that, but in all actuality you are right. I am POSITIVE they have a rock solid case against you. Use your common sense man. If you see a "no parking" sign at one end of a block and another at the other end, you can probably safely assume that you cant park there. I bet yours was the only lone car on that block; despite what you said the Chief said. Police Officers (as well as the Command Staff in the Department) are on fixed salaries. They don't get commissioned off of parking tickets like some sales job. Cops work their shifts, catch bad guys and write tickets to people who break the law. Then they go home. They don't think about "raising money" for their department or themselves.

Brian, Police Departments know when negative things are posted about them on line; especially on here! BELIEVE ME, they are reading this entire string very carefully. There have been so many personal libel law suits arising from postings on this web site; I would not be surprised (and would actually like to see it happen) if they slapped you with one.

Give it up Brian. You have resolution already and you lost. You had to pay! Stop all this posting. I agree with almost everybody on here that you seriously need professional psychological help.

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#87 Author of original report

Thank you Rachel and David is mistaken

AUTHOR: Brian - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Saturday, April 22, 2006

Rachel-

I agree. In this matter, the courts would have been my only hope. Trusting and believing in the police only brought me grief. This was quite a civics lesson for me. As for the procedural issues you mentioned, I do not know how the process works in Warrensburg Missouri but it may work there as it does where you live. If Mr. Parkey did not have the ability to withdraw the ticket, it would have been nice of him or some other authority there to tell me so. Mr. Parkey said nothing that indicated to me that the matter was out of his hands. To the contrary, his "I stick to my guns" statement led me to believe that he still had some control over the matter. Looking back, I concede that his vague statement could have been interpreted a number of ways.

David-

You and your laughter are mistaken. My relative in Warrensburg Missouri did not feel comfortable taking the pictures. He had his reasons and, despite your claim to the contrary, a fear of somehow being implicated in my case was not among them. Your fabricated assertions render your argument impotent.

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#86 Consumer Comment

What a cluster!

AUTHOR: David - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Friday, April 21, 2006

Brian,

I have just spent 30 minutes reading this garbage...

First off, you were told by the ticketing officer that you probably had a case and to take it to the judge... He CANNOT "cancel" a ticket he writes, as it is processed by the courts and becomes their matter... he has no jurisdiction to go to the courthouse and pull/expunge their records.

You made the excuse that your Digital camera had been loaned to a relative, and that your relative that lived there was "afraid to take the pictures" as it might implicate him... that made me laugh...

See, you can buy a disposable camera for a couple bucks at any store... so first argument is BS.

2nd, how would your relative taking photo's possibly implicate him? would he have to pose on the sidewalk while someone else snapped away? Last I checked, a camera didn't print the name, address, social security number etc of the person snapping the picture on the photo...
2-3 photos of the area, that you could have noted on with sharpy where you were parked, and a copy of their own statute stating the signs couldn't have been more than 100 feet apart and the judge would have thrown it out of court... Hell, even without pics and Officer Parkey there to say they weren't marked well would have gotten it thrown out... end of story, no 15.00 fee, no nothing.

but you had to become paranoid and think that even though they told you that you had a case, they were probably conspiring against you and your life was in danger...

Whatever your smoking, I want some!
Grow up, get a life and quit blaming everyone else for your shortcomings in life!

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#85 Consumer Suggestion

Assumptions..

AUTHOR: Rachel - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Friday, April 21, 2006

I work in the legal field, while my husband works in the law enforcement field. I am here to tell you that an officer can basically write you a ticket for anything they desire. They can make laws up if they so wish. It is the court systems place to enforce these tickets or throw them out whichever they so choose. Harassing the police force is not the way to solve the problem. They hold the ticket for about 10 days, then it is processed and given to the court. After the court handles the ticket, it is out of the police departments hands.

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#84 Consumer Suggestion

Assumptions..

AUTHOR: Rachel - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Friday, April 21, 2006

I work in the legal field, while my husband works in the law enforcement field. I am here to tell you that an officer can basically write you a ticket for anything they desire. They can make laws up if they so wish. It is the court systems place to enforce these tickets or throw them out whichever they so choose. Harassing the police force is not the way to solve the problem. They hold the ticket for about 10 days, then it is processed and given to the court. After the court handles the ticket, it is out of the police departments hands.

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#83 Consumer Suggestion

Assumptions..

AUTHOR: Rachel - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Friday, April 21, 2006

I work in the legal field, while my husband works in the law enforcement field. I am here to tell you that an officer can basically write you a ticket for anything they desire. They can make laws up if they so wish. It is the court systems place to enforce these tickets or throw them out whichever they so choose. Harassing the police force is not the way to solve the problem. They hold the ticket for about 10 days, then it is processed and given to the court. After the court handles the ticket, it is out of the police departments hands.

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#82 Consumer Suggestion

Assumptions..

AUTHOR: Rachel - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Friday, April 21, 2006

I work in the legal field, while my husband works in the law enforcement field. I am here to tell you that an officer can basically write you a ticket for anything they desire. They can make laws up if they so wish. It is the court systems place to enforce these tickets or throw them out whichever they so choose. Harassing the police force is not the way to solve the problem. They hold the ticket for about 10 days, then it is processed and given to the court. After the court handles the ticket, it is out of the police departments hands.

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Public Servants and Response to Pete

AUTHOR: Brian - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Thursday, March 02, 2006

Daniel, I agree. Who can help but to be grateful for the brave men and women of this nation who risk their lives to protect our safety and way of life. Without our public servants, life in this country would descend into chaos within a matter of hours. As for those who blindy mistrust law enforcement as a whole, I suspect their numbers are very limited. Personally I know of none, though in your line of work, I concede that you may have met a few. I pity them.

Pete, you are correct, this topic has been done to death. I posted this case here to provide the public with the facts and get some feedback. I never intended for this matter to descend into a discussion of semantics and the provability of corruption. I will avoid this from here on by avoiding discussions that can not be limited to a reasonably open-minded exchange of ideas and opinions. (More simply put, I will leave feeding the trolls to those with nothing better to do.)

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#80 Consumer Comment

I sleep very well at night.

AUTHOR: Daniel - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Thursday, March 02, 2006

We sleep safe in our beds because rough men stand ready in the night to visit violence on those who would do us harm. . Orwell

It gives me great comfort knowing there are men and women out there who put themselves in harm's way every minute of every day in service to others while knowing that the ultimate sacrifice could be just one radio call or one car stop away.

I sleep very well at night. I wonder how someone who mistrusts all law enforcement because of a parking ticket sleeps at night. Or do they sleep at all? Who will that person call if something really bad happens? For the sake of the police, I hope nothing ever happens to that person or his family that would require the assistance of the police.

I have to agree with Pete. The topic is worn out. Corruption has remained unproven.

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#79 Consumer Comment

Hey, Brian--

AUTHOR: Pete - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Wednesday, March 01, 2006

Give it up! This is getting to be a p*ssing contest and your stream is ended.

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#78 Author of original report

Daniel the twist and shout is getting old, find something new!

AUTHOR: Brian - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Wednesday, March 01, 2006

Daniel, you are at it again. Do you twist others words deliberately or do you do it subconsciously?

You have twisted my words and taken them out of context. When I said "...the police officer acknowledged that we had parked legally (and he did without equivocation)...", I was not summarizing the quote you falsly claimed. Read again the two paragraphs in question and you will find this; ...I still believed that our vehicle was parked legally due to the absence of any No Parking signs or yellow curbing in the vicinity of our car. Incredibly, he agreed! Surely even you can put two and two together from here.

As for the sarcasm you emply to make your misleading points something that you can distance yourself from later on, it is very transparent, and you must think very little of others to presume them weak-minded enough to fall for your word games, to PROPERLY reuse MY original quote.

I am amazed at the trouble you will go to just to discredit your opponent. Do you even have a conscience or is life just one big legal maneuver to you?

Daniel, your posts are getting to be paper tigers. Is this all you can muster?

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#77 Consumer Comment

Please "clarify" or "qualify"

AUTHOR: Daniel - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Tuesday, February 28, 2006

Brian:

Your direct quote of Officer Parkey: I understand. Take it to the judge. You probably have a case. Your summarization of this quote... the police officer acknowledged that we had parked legally (and he did without equivocation) Interesting how Parkey said probably and you turn that into without equivocation.

No, you did not directly call Chief Howey a lunatic. What you did say was some of his statements are so outlandish that only a lunatic would honestly profess to believe them. I am now confident that in your carefully chosen words that you in no way intended to imply that Chief Howey was a lunatic nor did you in any way intend for anyone to actually infer from your statement that Chief Howey is a lunatic. My bad. (Some sarcasm here)

Tell everyone how you really feel Brian. Be clear now. You don't want anyone thinking that you have twisted someone's words or that you are playing word games in an attempt to further your own agenda. (Some more sarcasm)

Brian, you must think very little of others to presume them weak-minded enough to fall for your word games.

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#76 Author of original report

Thanx for the advice Steve

AUTHOR: Brian - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Sunday, February 26, 2006

Steve, thank you for your post. Your "staying put" idea is a good one, though not always practical. Your camera idea though, is really great. I had not thought of this before but it is not bad advice. Thank you for it.

Daniel, I HAVE addressed every single point you have made. You sir, have avoided and twisted many of my points. If you are truly at odds with my accusations towards you here then I am truly sorry, but I do not have the time to hold your hand through an english language education. As for my use of the word "lunatic", once again, you have misquoted me and have taken my words out of context. My use of the word "lunatic" was qualified. Read the quote again. Ask for help if you need it.

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#75 Consumer Comment

Only proof that you are goofy?

AUTHOR: Daniel - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Sunday, February 26, 2006

Brian:

There you have it. "It has become abundantly clear to me now that I am not capable of providing you with the proof of corruption that you require." Since you have been asked for proof of corruption over and over and over and have not provided anything that any reasonable person would ever consider to be "proof" you are exactly right.

Since you have apparently dismissed me and what I have to say by carefully refusing to respond to the vast majority of the points I have made (and those made by most other posters) I will end with a few comments.

First, a word of thanks. I caught myself laughing out loud at times when reading your bizarre allegations and rantings and the many "tongue in cheek" and sarcastic responses. It has truly been entertaining.

Second, people like you are a sad testament to just how difficult it is for the men and women of law enforcement to do their jobs. I don't know the people you accused of corruption but I do know that your hate filled diatribe about these people proved two things. One: That you probably got a ticket you could have one won had you chosen to go to court instead of the path you chose here. Two: that you are goofy. Actually, goofy is probably too kind, and I have probably worn that descriptor out. Paranoid and delusional is probably closer. I feel sorry for your children.

My last comment is to point out your true character. It really hit home when you responded to Elizabeth with "When all else fails, call them crazy, eh Liz. How mature." So says Brian, the person who referred to Chief Howey as a "lunatic." Same thing isn't it? How mature "Bri." But that is how you have been all along. You squawk about people putting words in your mouth, twisting your words, lacking maturity or lacking relevance in their postings. That sounds like a perfect description of the things you have done in an effort to sway people to your point of view. Obviously the vast majority of folks have seen right through you.

Lastly, I will leave you with this. Your postings are "so outlandish only a lunatic would honestly profess to believe them." (quoted from you) I have judged for myself as you suggested readers do about Chief Howey. Regarding your corruption allegations Brian, they have been weighed, they have been measured and they have been found wanting."

And you are still goofy.

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#74 Consumer Suggestion

All of this could have been prevented. VERY EASILY!

AUTHOR: Steve - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Sunday, February 26, 2006

If you knew you were illegally ticketed, why did you leave? You should have stayed put and called the police to come out and take a report, or gotten witness statements who observed the signage and how your car was parked.

I think everyone should keep some sort of camera in the car. ALWAYS have one. Even if it is one of those single use cameras.

A good set of pictures showing the relationship of your car to any alleged signs would have done the trick, especially if you had a few statements to go along with them.

But people are always in a big hurry and never deal with the here and now.

At this point, fighting a parking ticket will cost you far more time and money than it's worth.

Live and learn.

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All of this could have been prevented. VERY EASILY!

AUTHOR: Steve - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Sunday, February 26, 2006

If you knew you were illegally ticketed, why did you leave? You should have stayed put and called the police to come out and take a report, or gotten witness statements who observed the signage and how your car was parked.

I think everyone should keep some sort of camera in the car. ALWAYS have one. Even if it is one of those single use cameras.

A good set of pictures showing the relationship of your car to any alleged signs would have done the trick, especially if you had a few statements to go along with them.

But people are always in a big hurry and never deal with the here and now.

At this point, fighting a parking ticket will cost you far more time and money than it's worth.

Live and learn.

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All of this could have been prevented. VERY EASILY!

AUTHOR: Steve - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Sunday, February 26, 2006

If you knew you were illegally ticketed, why did you leave? You should have stayed put and called the police to come out and take a report, or gotten witness statements who observed the signage and how your car was parked.

I think everyone should keep some sort of camera in the car. ALWAYS have one. Even if it is one of those single use cameras.

A good set of pictures showing the relationship of your car to any alleged signs would have done the trick, especially if you had a few statements to go along with them.

But people are always in a big hurry and never deal with the here and now.

At this point, fighting a parking ticket will cost you far more time and money than it's worth.

Live and learn.

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Re-re-re-stating the facts

AUTHOR: Brian - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Saturday, February 25, 2006

Daniel, thank you for setting the record straight. In an earlier post, I asked you "Exactly what reasonably obtainable proof would satisfy you?" It has become abundantly clear to me now that I am not capable of providing you with the proof of corruption that you require. In the space of one post, you have contrarily asked for proof and called me a liar. Any proof that I provide, regardless of how incontrovertible, you would find unbelievable. I see now that you have made up your mind and are uninterested in constructive dialog. For you, this is indeed a game. I did not post my case here to enter into meaningless word games with an agenda toting fool. I have nothing further to prove to you. From this point forward, I will consider your detraction of me an endorsement of character and a badge of honor.


Sean, I was amused by your post and your unique brand of sarcasm: Admit up front that you are not going to read the entire case, yet ignorantly label what you have not read as "BS", then jump right into the same old tired argument, and finally, follow it up with a little name calling and character assassination. Your approach was amusing, yet bold. Daniel and Elizabeth were far more subtle.


Elizabeth, you seem confused and, though it may offend Daniel, I would like to make some clarifications for your benefit.

In Warrensburg Missouri, unpaid parking tickets eventually lead to an arrest warrant. I have a clean record, and I would like to keep it clean. You may no longer have this option but try to understand that I do. If my desire to keep my record clean makes me nuts in your eyes, so be it.

You have a lot to learn about life. This world is full of people with personalities different from your own. People are not necessarily nuts, insane, over the top, or in need of professional help just because their opinions, beliefs, motives, ambitions, goals, and/or communication style differ from yours. This may disturb your narrow-minded view on life, but you really need to hear it. You and I do not agree. This does not make me crazy, or you either for that matter. You seem obsessed with my sanity. If this is the only response you have, then we have nothing further to discuss.

You are mistaken in your assessment that this case is about a $15.00 ticket; you are not alone, but you are still mistaken. This case is about corruption. You and others may attempt to recast it, but the facts will remain, despite your best manipulative efforts. Corruption is corruption. Daniel was kind enough to provide us with two definitions of "corruption". Look at both of them.

I have heard nothing regarding the other cases you mentioned so I will refrain from commenting on them.


Thomas, thank you for your post and your encouragement. As for your advice, back in November, I paid the "ransom" to put all of this behind me.

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AUTHOR: Brian - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Saturday, February 25, 2006

Daniel, thank you for setting the record straight. In an earlier post, I asked you "Exactly what reasonably obtainable proof would satisfy you?" It has become abundantly clear to me now that I am not capable of providing you with the proof of corruption that you require. In the space of one post, you have contrarily asked for proof and called me a liar. Any proof that I provide, regardless of how incontrovertible, you would find unbelievable. I see now that you have made up your mind and are uninterested in constructive dialog. For you, this is indeed a game. I did not post my case here to enter into meaningless word games with an agenda toting fool. I have nothing further to prove to you. From this point forward, I will consider your detraction of me an endorsement of character and a badge of honor.


Sean, I was amused by your post and your unique brand of sarcasm: Admit up front that you are not going to read the entire case, yet ignorantly label what you have not read as "BS", then jump right into the same old tired argument, and finally, follow it up with a little name calling and character assassination. Your approach was amusing, yet bold. Daniel and Elizabeth were far more subtle.


Elizabeth, you seem confused and, though it may offend Daniel, I would like to make some clarifications for your benefit.

In Warrensburg Missouri, unpaid parking tickets eventually lead to an arrest warrant. I have a clean record, and I would like to keep it clean. You may no longer have this option but try to understand that I do. If my desire to keep my record clean makes me nuts in your eyes, so be it.

You have a lot to learn about life. This world is full of people with personalities different from your own. People are not necessarily nuts, insane, over the top, or in need of professional help just because their opinions, beliefs, motives, ambitions, goals, and/or communication style differ from yours. This may disturb your narrow-minded view on life, but you really need to hear it. You and I do not agree. This does not make me crazy, or you either for that matter. You seem obsessed with my sanity. If this is the only response you have, then we have nothing further to discuss.

You are mistaken in your assessment that this case is about a $15.00 ticket; you are not alone, but you are still mistaken. This case is about corruption. You and others may attempt to recast it, but the facts will remain, despite your best manipulative efforts. Corruption is corruption. Daniel was kind enough to provide us with two definitions of "corruption". Look at both of them.

I have heard nothing regarding the other cases you mentioned so I will refrain from commenting on them.


Thomas, thank you for your post and your encouragement. As for your advice, back in November, I paid the "ransom" to put all of this behind me.

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AUTHOR: Brian - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Saturday, February 25, 2006

Daniel, thank you for setting the record straight. In an earlier post, I asked you "Exactly what reasonably obtainable proof would satisfy you?" It has become abundantly clear to me now that I am not capable of providing you with the proof of corruption that you require. In the space of one post, you have contrarily asked for proof and called me a liar. Any proof that I provide, regardless of how incontrovertible, you would find unbelievable. I see now that you have made up your mind and are uninterested in constructive dialog. For you, this is indeed a game. I did not post my case here to enter into meaningless word games with an agenda toting fool. I have nothing further to prove to you. From this point forward, I will consider your detraction of me an endorsement of character and a badge of honor.


Sean, I was amused by your post and your unique brand of sarcasm: Admit up front that you are not going to read the entire case, yet ignorantly label what you have not read as "BS", then jump right into the same old tired argument, and finally, follow it up with a little name calling and character assassination. Your approach was amusing, yet bold. Daniel and Elizabeth were far more subtle.


Elizabeth, you seem confused and, though it may offend Daniel, I would like to make some clarifications for your benefit.

In Warrensburg Missouri, unpaid parking tickets eventually lead to an arrest warrant. I have a clean record, and I would like to keep it clean. You may no longer have this option but try to understand that I do. If my desire to keep my record clean makes me nuts in your eyes, so be it.

You have a lot to learn about life. This world is full of people with personalities different from your own. People are not necessarily nuts, insane, over the top, or in need of professional help just because their opinions, beliefs, motives, ambitions, goals, and/or communication style differ from yours. This may disturb your narrow-minded view on life, but you really need to hear it. You and I do not agree. This does not make me crazy, or you either for that matter. You seem obsessed with my sanity. If this is the only response you have, then we have nothing further to discuss.

You are mistaken in your assessment that this case is about a $15.00 ticket; you are not alone, but you are still mistaken. This case is about corruption. You and others may attempt to recast it, but the facts will remain, despite your best manipulative efforts. Corruption is corruption. Daniel was kind enough to provide us with two definitions of "corruption". Look at both of them.

I have heard nothing regarding the other cases you mentioned so I will refrain from commenting on them.


Thomas, thank you for your post and your encouragement. As for your advice, back in November, I paid the "ransom" to put all of this behind me.

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AUTHOR: Brian - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Saturday, February 25, 2006

Daniel, thank you for setting the record straight. In an earlier post, I asked you "Exactly what reasonably obtainable proof would satisfy you?" It has become abundantly clear to me now that I am not capable of providing you with the proof of corruption that you require. In the space of one post, you have contrarily asked for proof and called me a liar. Any proof that I provide, regardless of how incontrovertible, you would find unbelievable. I see now that you have made up your mind and are uninterested in constructive dialog. For you, this is indeed a game. I did not post my case here to enter into meaningless word games with an agenda toting fool. I have nothing further to prove to you. From this point forward, I will consider your detraction of me an endorsement of character and a badge of honor.


Sean, I was amused by your post and your unique brand of sarcasm: Admit up front that you are not going to read the entire case, yet ignorantly label what you have not read as "BS", then jump right into the same old tired argument, and finally, follow it up with a little name calling and character assassination. Your approach was amusing, yet bold. Daniel and Elizabeth were far more subtle.


Elizabeth, you seem confused and, though it may offend Daniel, I would like to make some clarifications for your benefit.

In Warrensburg Missouri, unpaid parking tickets eventually lead to an arrest warrant. I have a clean record, and I would like to keep it clean. You may no longer have this option but try to understand that I do. If my desire to keep my record clean makes me nuts in your eyes, so be it.

You have a lot to learn about life. This world is full of people with personalities different from your own. People are not necessarily nuts, insane, over the top, or in need of professional help just because their opinions, beliefs, motives, ambitions, goals, and/or communication style differ from yours. This may disturb your narrow-minded view on life, but you really need to hear it. You and I do not agree. This does not make me crazy, or you either for that matter. You seem obsessed with my sanity. If this is the only response you have, then we have nothing further to discuss.

You are mistaken in your assessment that this case is about a $15.00 ticket; you are not alone, but you are still mistaken. This case is about corruption. You and others may attempt to recast it, but the facts will remain, despite your best manipulative efforts. Corruption is corruption. Daniel was kind enough to provide us with two definitions of "corruption". Look at both of them.

I have heard nothing regarding the other cases you mentioned so I will refrain from commenting on them.


Thomas, thank you for your post and your encouragement. As for your advice, back in November, I paid the "ransom" to put all of this behind me.

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#67 Consumer Comment

Also a victim

AUTHOR: Thomas - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Friday, February 24, 2006

Brian,

As a consolation, you are not alone. I once received a third and final notice from the Mass Registry of Motor Vehicles for a parking ticket supposedly issued in Newburyport, MA. The ticket had my correct registration and correct vehicle description. In addition to never been in Newburyport, I wouldn't even know how to get there. The RMV threatened to pull my registration if the fine ($15.00)was not paid. A call to the Town proved pointless. Needless to say I paid.

I doubt there's corruption but,like speed traps of old, just another way for a town to generate a few more bucks in revenue.

My advice, for what its worth, pay up and move on.

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#66 Consumer Comment

Maturity MUST be a matter of opinion

AUTHOR: Elizabeth - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Friday, February 24, 2006

Brian,

You state that your freedom and your record were being held hostage. This is where you appear to be nuts. Your record is being held hostage? So having a parking ticket on your record will keep you from attaining what life long goal? Will it keep you out of the CIA? The FBI? It is this exact type of comment that you have made thru all of your postings that make you appear (to ease your delicate sensibilities) ummmm, to have a rather loose hold on sanity? IF you were ticketed improperly then I am sorry, injustice is injustice. However, your way of expressing yourself in this situation makes you seem rather over the top. THIS is why I say you may want to consider professional help. Getting a ticket just plain sucks especially if it isnt deserved but to create all this over a $15.00 parking ticket makes most think you are either 1. very bored with your life and looking for drama or 2. a nut.

"he also said what seemed to me to be an assertion that I could go before the judge if I wanted to, but I would be fighting an uphill battle". This still does not scream "threat" to me but you did state that you weren't going to go into full detail of what he said so while I still doubt the whole "threat" thing I'll just let that one slide.

You are most likely right, I probably did miss parts of your postings, it did drag on a bit and I think I may have napped here and there. Regardless, its over a $15.00 parking ticket. If you want to fight over the principal of a matter then come to town and help the poor black guy that got the hell beat out of him by the Maplewood Police Department 2 weeks ago. THAT is something to post about. Better yet, help the family of the local reverend who was killed by a suspect running from the cops in a high speed chase last week. You getting my drift here? A $15.00 ticket while maybe not deserved is not THAT much of an injustice in our society. There are folks out there everyday who are TRULY being treated unfairly, suck it up, pay the ticket and go help some of them. Your ticket will seem like small potatoes then. Maybe you will realize how lucky you are if that is all the injustice and corruption you have to deal with in your life.

I stand by what I said, you appear from your postings to need either a hobby or a shrink. Nothing in your response has made me change this opinion, frankly it has reaffirmed it.


Oh, and its ELIZABETH by the way - if I wanted to be addressed as Liz I would sign my reports as Liz.

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#65 Consumer Comment

So Brian

AUTHOR: Sean - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Friday, February 24, 2006

Did you ever "have your day in court". I don't want to read through your diatribe, it's all ignorant BS.

Did you actually go to court to contest the ticket? Because, if you go to court, plead not guilty, thent the judge will set a hearing date, and the officer who issued the ticket will have to show up. IT'S THAT SIMPLE!!! But, noooooooo. You have to call corruption.

You're an idiot Brian. You need med's. I hope you don't have children. Sterilize yourself NOW!!! The world does not need people like you.

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#64 Consumer Comment

Waiting for the evidence.

AUTHOR: Daniel - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Friday, February 24, 2006

Oh Brian, you have really hurt my feelings. (This is sarcasm Brian. Most of the responses to you have been)

Blah, Blah, Blah, Blah, Blah..

I have to call bullsh@% on your latest post Brian. In response to my numerous references to police anti-corruption policies and practices you clarify that Corporal Gilbert informed you that Mr. Parkey was the only officer with the authority to reconsider and reverse the ticket. On June 28 last year Mike said The fundamental thing is that the police cannot cancel a ticket once it has been written and sent to the courts...the police won't be tempted accept bribes for that service... Why did you not clarify back then with your Gilbert quote? It seems that when someone really hammers you on what you have presented to be fact, you conveniently change or add to the story and deem it a "clarification." This can only be the work of a conspiratorial nut from Kansas. Do you have any more clarification you want to make up as we go along? Come on Brian, surely you can make up some more stuff.

I don't think I missed any point about the signage issue. Brian please look back at the responses to all of your posts. The common thread throughout (including my own posts) is the general agreement that you probably got a bum rap on the ticket. Hell Brian if it will make you feel better I will concede that the signage was bad, that you didn't and couldn't see the signs, that even if you could see the signs they were confusing, and, lastly, that the officer shouldn't have written the ticket. Does that make you feel better? Do now feel you beat down an astute lawyer adept in the fine art of legal acrobatics? Do you?

Now that you have had the chance to review the entire thread, isn't it clear to you that most of the rebuttals, including my own, called you to task on your corruption allegations. Corruption is defined as the misuse of public office for private gain or the impairment of integrity, virtue or moral principle. Look again at the thread. All I ever asked for was evidence of corruption. Not evidence regarding the signs. Not supposition, conjecture or speculation. Not your opinion. Not whining that someone was rude to you or didn't give you enough attention or didn't give you the answer you wanted to hear.

Since typing slower didn't help you understand maybe all caps will help. SHOW SOME EVIDENCE THAT PARKEY, GILBERT OR HOWEY MISUED THEIR POSITION ON THE WARRENBURG POLICE DEPARTMENT FOR PRIVATE GAIN. PROVE THAT THEY WERE DISHONEST OR LACK INTEGRITY OR MORAL PRINCIPLE. I don't want your opinions (Unless somehow through specialized training, education and experience you qualify as an expert in the topic of police corruption). Show me the evidence!!!

Quotes of the corrupt officers from your posts: you probably have a case, he can't and won't instruct Officer Parkey to void one of his tickets. plead your case to the prosecuting attorney pay the fine or have my day in court. Sure don't seem like the words of someone who is dishonest or lacks integrity or moral principle. Quite the contrary Brian. Again, your whiney opinion means nothing, give us some evidence. Or do you have none?

By the way Brianyou are still goofy. And apparently a liar to boot.

Whew!!! I need to start exercising more. All these legal acrobatics are wearing me out.

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AUTHOR: Brian - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Friday, February 24, 2006

Elizabeth-

Thank you for reading the entire thread. I would have thought that it would have made things clear. Unfortunately, you either drifted off during portions of it or you failed to put it all together once you had read it. If you drifted off, I understand; it is a lengthy read, ironically in part to me repeating myself for the benefit of those who have chosen not to read the whole thing.

As for the actual content of your post, you are dead wrong from start to finish.

Your conclusions regarding the signage are in error. I was not parked in a No Parking Zone. Please read my most recent response to Daniel, where I addressed this issue, yet again.

Your defense of Mr. Howey is foolish. Be grateful that you have not had to interact with him. He may seem friendly at first, but when his authority is questioned, he can get ugly in a hurry. Furthermore, I never said that "have your day in court" meant anything other than "have your day in court" and for you to imply otherwise is dishonest.

Your inability to see the evidence of the threats against me is understandable. I have not related these threats as well as I should have. I will try to clarify here as best I can.

Some of these threats were verbal, others were inferred from actions and behaviour.

Mr. Parkey admitted that the ticket he wrote was in error yet, despite his ability to do so, he would not reverse it. He was willing to let his false accusation stand. Mr. Gilber demonstrated complete disregard for the situation, despite his position as Mr. Parkey's supervisor. Mr. Gilber was not interested in the unethical behaviour of one of his subordinates. Mr. Howey claimed that "No Parking Anytime" and "No Parking This Side of Street" mean the same thing. He claimed that one sign has an effective range of a full block. He claimed that one, two, and six signs in a one block span have the same effective range. Mr. Howey was not interested in the written law, he was instead more interested in making his own laws by verbal decree. Mr. Howey claimed that the signage on Jefferson was more than sufficient then he ordered it changed. He lied to cover one of his officers mistakes. The actions of these three men, especially Mr. Parkey and Mr. Howey, demonstrate an extraordinary lack of character. I do not trust them at ANY level.

When Mr. Howey and I spoke on the phone the second time, his comments were threatening. I later related these threatening comments by stating "he also said what seemed to me to be an assertion that I could go before the judge if I wanted to, but I would be fighting an uphill battle". The way I related these threatening comments pale in comparison to the way Mr. Howey actually made them. I chose to paraphrase his comments the way I did for a number of reasons. First, quite frankly, I was scared. Second, I was questioning my sanity; "Did he really just say that?" Third, once I was past the initial shock of what he had said, I wanted to remember, word-for-word, exactly what he had said, but without a transcript of the conversation, all I could remember was a small fragment of what he had said. Fourth, not being a lawyer, I was unsure as to what is legal and illegal with regard to quoting and paraphrasing someone. Fifth, this thing began as a parking ticket and had advanced through various stages to this point. I did not know or even want to know how far it would go but I knew that someone had to stop it. I had to stop it. I had already significantly angered Mr. Howey and I did not want to anger him further. So I paraphrased his comments (which is how they will remain). Mr. Howey went this low, I would not put it beyond him to carry through on this threat and go lower if given the chance.

The prosecutors office prevented me from gaining access to the documentation that I required to defend myself in court. They wanted to "win" and apparently, they were willing to do whatever they needed to, regardless of whether it was right or wrong, to make it happen. Their actions may have been legal, but they were still wrong. The self-serving individual in the prosecutors office responsible for complicating the path to justice in this manner has demonstrated his/her lack of moral direction. My trust in the prosecutors office is very limited.

This is the best I can do at describing the threats against me. More explanation would be pointless. Little here is new. This information will not change anyones mind. My detractors have already come to their own conclusions. (Had Mr. Howey drawn his weapon and fired at me but missed, I'm sure some apologists like yourself would excuse the act based on the fact that he missed.)

You obviously found my use of the words "extortion" and "ransom" questionable. My freedom in Missouri and my record were being held hostage. I was not guilty and they would not accept either an innocent or a no-contest plea when I sent them the "ransom". I think "extortion" and "ransom" fit quite well. What else would you call them?

I have addressed the first half of your post. The last half of your post is nothing more than an emotional, desperate, hate filled diatribe, dripping with contempt and vitriol. You obviously had nothing intelligent or constructive to say so you resorted to the immature antics of your childhood. When all else fails, call them crazy, eh Liz. How mature.

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Response to Elizabeth - Keep trying and you may eventually get it straight

AUTHOR: Brian - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Friday, February 24, 2006

Elizabeth-

Thank you for reading the entire thread. I would have thought that it would have made things clear. Unfortunately, you either drifted off during portions of it or you failed to put it all together once you had read it. If you drifted off, I understand; it is a lengthy read, ironically in part to me repeating myself for the benefit of those who have chosen not to read the whole thing.

As for the actual content of your post, you are dead wrong from start to finish.

Your conclusions regarding the signage are in error. I was not parked in a No Parking Zone. Please read my most recent response to Daniel, where I addressed this issue, yet again.

Your defense of Mr. Howey is foolish. Be grateful that you have not had to interact with him. He may seem friendly at first, but when his authority is questioned, he can get ugly in a hurry. Furthermore, I never said that "have your day in court" meant anything other than "have your day in court" and for you to imply otherwise is dishonest.

Your inability to see the evidence of the threats against me is understandable. I have not related these threats as well as I should have. I will try to clarify here as best I can.

Some of these threats were verbal, others were inferred from actions and behaviour.

Mr. Parkey admitted that the ticket he wrote was in error yet, despite his ability to do so, he would not reverse it. He was willing to let his false accusation stand. Mr. Gilber demonstrated complete disregard for the situation, despite his position as Mr. Parkey's supervisor. Mr. Gilber was not interested in the unethical behaviour of one of his subordinates. Mr. Howey claimed that "No Parking Anytime" and "No Parking This Side of Street" mean the same thing. He claimed that one sign has an effective range of a full block. He claimed that one, two, and six signs in a one block span have the same effective range. Mr. Howey was not interested in the written law, he was instead more interested in making his own laws by verbal decree. Mr. Howey claimed that the signage on Jefferson was more than sufficient then he ordered it changed. He lied to cover one of his officers mistakes. The actions of these three men, especially Mr. Parkey and Mr. Howey, demonstrate an extraordinary lack of character. I do not trust them at ANY level.

When Mr. Howey and I spoke on the phone the second time, his comments were threatening. I later related these threatening comments by stating "he also said what seemed to me to be an assertion that I could go before the judge if I wanted to, but I would be fighting an uphill battle". The way I related these threatening comments pale in comparison to the way Mr. Howey actually made them. I chose to paraphrase his comments the way I did for a number of reasons. First, quite frankly, I was scared. Second, I was questioning my sanity; "Did he really just say that?" Third, once I was past the initial shock of what he had said, I wanted to remember, word-for-word, exactly what he had said, but without a transcript of the conversation, all I could remember was a small fragment of what he had said. Fourth, not being a lawyer, I was unsure as to what is legal and illegal with regard to quoting and paraphrasing someone. Fifth, this thing began as a parking ticket and had advanced through various stages to this point. I did not know or even want to know how far it would go but I knew that someone had to stop it. I had to stop it. I had already significantly angered Mr. Howey and I did not want to anger him further. So I paraphrased his comments (which is how they will remain). Mr. Howey went this low, I would not put it beyond him to carry through on this threat and go lower if given the chance.

The prosecutors office prevented me from gaining access to the documentation that I required to defend myself in court. They wanted to "win" and apparently, they were willing to do whatever they needed to, regardless of whether it was right or wrong, to make it happen. Their actions may have been legal, but they were still wrong. The self-serving individual in the prosecutors office responsible for complicating the path to justice in this manner has demonstrated his/her lack of moral direction. My trust in the prosecutors office is very limited.

This is the best I can do at describing the threats against me. More explanation would be pointless. Little here is new. This information will not change anyones mind. My detractors have already come to their own conclusions. (Had Mr. Howey drawn his weapon and fired at me but missed, I'm sure some apologists like yourself would excuse the act based on the fact that he missed.)

You obviously found my use of the words "extortion" and "ransom" questionable. My freedom in Missouri and my record were being held hostage. I was not guilty and they would not accept either an innocent or a no-contest plea when I sent them the "ransom". I think "extortion" and "ransom" fit quite well. What else would you call them?

I have addressed the first half of your post. The last half of your post is nothing more than an emotional, desperate, hate filled diatribe, dripping with contempt and vitriol. You obviously had nothing intelligent or constructive to say so you resorted to the immature antics of your childhood. When all else fails, call them crazy, eh Liz. How mature.

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AUTHOR: Brian - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Friday, February 24, 2006

Elizabeth-

Thank you for reading the entire thread. I would have thought that it would have made things clear. Unfortunately, you either drifted off during portions of it or you failed to put it all together once you had read it. If you drifted off, I understand; it is a lengthy read, ironically in part to me repeating myself for the benefit of those who have chosen not to read the whole thing.

As for the actual content of your post, you are dead wrong from start to finish.

Your conclusions regarding the signage are in error. I was not parked in a No Parking Zone. Please read my most recent response to Daniel, where I addressed this issue, yet again.

Your defense of Mr. Howey is foolish. Be grateful that you have not had to interact with him. He may seem friendly at first, but when his authority is questioned, he can get ugly in a hurry. Furthermore, I never said that "have your day in court" meant anything other than "have your day in court" and for you to imply otherwise is dishonest.

Your inability to see the evidence of the threats against me is understandable. I have not related these threats as well as I should have. I will try to clarify here as best I can.

Some of these threats were verbal, others were inferred from actions and behaviour.

Mr. Parkey admitted that the ticket he wrote was in error yet, despite his ability to do so, he would not reverse it. He was willing to let his false accusation stand. Mr. Gilber demonstrated complete disregard for the situation, despite his position as Mr. Parkey's supervisor. Mr. Gilber was not interested in the unethical behaviour of one of his subordinates. Mr. Howey claimed that "No Parking Anytime" and "No Parking This Side of Street" mean the same thing. He claimed that one sign has an effective range of a full block. He claimed that one, two, and six signs in a one block span have the same effective range. Mr. Howey was not interested in the written law, he was instead more interested in making his own laws by verbal decree. Mr. Howey claimed that the signage on Jefferson was more than sufficient then he ordered it changed. He lied to cover one of his officers mistakes. The actions of these three men, especially Mr. Parkey and Mr. Howey, demonstrate an extraordinary lack of character. I do not trust them at ANY level.

When Mr. Howey and I spoke on the phone the second time, his comments were threatening. I later related these threatening comments by stating "he also said what seemed to me to be an assertion that I could go before the judge if I wanted to, but I would be fighting an uphill battle". The way I related these threatening comments pale in comparison to the way Mr. Howey actually made them. I chose to paraphrase his comments the way I did for a number of reasons. First, quite frankly, I was scared. Second, I was questioning my sanity; "Did he really just say that?" Third, once I was past the initial shock of what he had said, I wanted to remember, word-for-word, exactly what he had said, but without a transcript of the conversation, all I could remember was a small fragment of what he had said. Fourth, not being a lawyer, I was unsure as to what is legal and illegal with regard to quoting and paraphrasing someone. Fifth, this thing began as a parking ticket and had advanced through various stages to this point. I did not know or even want to know how far it would go but I knew that someone had to stop it. I had to stop it. I had already significantly angered Mr. Howey and I did not want to anger him further. So I paraphrased his comments (which is how they will remain). Mr. Howey went this low, I would not put it beyond him to carry through on this threat and go lower if given the chance.

The prosecutors office prevented me from gaining access to the documentation that I required to defend myself in court. They wanted to "win" and apparently, they were willing to do whatever they needed to, regardless of whether it was right or wrong, to make it happen. Their actions may have been legal, but they were still wrong. The self-serving individual in the prosecutors office responsible for complicating the path to justice in this manner has demonstrated his/her lack of moral direction. My trust in the prosecutors office is very limited.

This is the best I can do at describing the threats against me. More explanation would be pointless. Little here is new. This information will not change anyones mind. My detractors have already come to their own conclusions. (Had Mr. Howey drawn his weapon and fired at me but missed, I'm sure some apologists like yourself would excuse the act based on the fact that he missed.)

You obviously found my use of the words "extortion" and "ransom" questionable. My freedom in Missouri and my record were being held hostage. I was not guilty and they would not accept either an innocent or a no-contest plea when I sent them the "ransom". I think "extortion" and "ransom" fit quite well. What else would you call them?

I have addressed the first half of your post. The last half of your post is nothing more than an emotional, desperate, hate filled diatribe, dripping with contempt and vitriol. You obviously had nothing intelligent or constructive to say so you resorted to the immature antics of your childhood. When all else fails, call them crazy, eh Liz. How mature.

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Response to Elizabeth - Keep trying and you may eventually get it straight

AUTHOR: Brian - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Friday, February 24, 2006

Elizabeth-

Thank you for reading the entire thread. I would have thought that it would have made things clear. Unfortunately, you either drifted off during portions of it or you failed to put it all together once you had read it. If you drifted off, I understand; it is a lengthy read, ironically in part to me repeating myself for the benefit of those who have chosen not to read the whole thing.

As for the actual content of your post, you are dead wrong from start to finish.

Your conclusions regarding the signage are in error. I was not parked in a No Parking Zone. Please read my most recent response to Daniel, where I addressed this issue, yet again.

Your defense of Mr. Howey is foolish. Be grateful that you have not had to interact with him. He may seem friendly at first, but when his authority is questioned, he can get ugly in a hurry. Furthermore, I never said that "have your day in court" meant anything other than "have your day in court" and for you to imply otherwise is dishonest.

Your inability to see the evidence of the threats against me is understandable. I have not related these threats as well as I should have. I will try to clarify here as best I can.

Some of these threats were verbal, others were inferred from actions and behaviour.

Mr. Parkey admitted that the ticket he wrote was in error yet, despite his ability to do so, he would not reverse it. He was willing to let his false accusation stand. Mr. Gilber demonstrated complete disregard for the situation, despite his position as Mr. Parkey's supervisor. Mr. Gilber was not interested in the unethical behaviour of one of his subordinates. Mr. Howey claimed that "No Parking Anytime" and "No Parking This Side of Street" mean the same thing. He claimed that one sign has an effective range of a full block. He claimed that one, two, and six signs in a one block span have the same effective range. Mr. Howey was not interested in the written law, he was instead more interested in making his own laws by verbal decree. Mr. Howey claimed that the signage on Jefferson was more than sufficient then he ordered it changed. He lied to cover one of his officers mistakes. The actions of these three men, especially Mr. Parkey and Mr. Howey, demonstrate an extraordinary lack of character. I do not trust them at ANY level.

When Mr. Howey and I spoke on the phone the second time, his comments were threatening. I later related these threatening comments by stating "he also said what seemed to me to be an assertion that I could go before the judge if I wanted to, but I would be fighting an uphill battle". The way I related these threatening comments pale in comparison to the way Mr. Howey actually made them. I chose to paraphrase his comments the way I did for a number of reasons. First, quite frankly, I was scared. Second, I was questioning my sanity; "Did he really just say that?" Third, once I was past the initial shock of what he had said, I wanted to remember, word-for-word, exactly what he had said, but without a transcript of the conversation, all I could remember was a small fragment of what he had said. Fourth, not being a lawyer, I was unsure as to what is legal and illegal with regard to quoting and paraphrasing someone. Fifth, this thing began as a parking ticket and had advanced through various stages to this point. I did not know or even want to know how far it would go but I knew that someone had to stop it. I had to stop it. I had already significantly angered Mr. Howey and I did not want to anger him further. So I paraphrased his comments (which is how they will remain). Mr. Howey went this low, I would not put it beyond him to carry through on this threat and go lower if given the chance.

The prosecutors office prevented me from gaining access to the documentation that I required to defend myself in court. They wanted to "win" and apparently, they were willing to do whatever they needed to, regardless of whether it was right or wrong, to make it happen. Their actions may have been legal, but they were still wrong. The self-serving individual in the prosecutors office responsible for complicating the path to justice in this manner has demonstrated his/her lack of moral direction. My trust in the prosecutors office is very limited.

This is the best I can do at describing the threats against me. More explanation would be pointless. Little here is new. This information will not change anyones mind. My detractors have already come to their own conclusions. (Had Mr. Howey drawn his weapon and fired at me but missed, I'm sure some apologists like yourself would excuse the act based on the fact that he missed.)

You obviously found my use of the words "extortion" and "ransom" questionable. My freedom in Missouri and my record were being held hostage. I was not guilty and they would not accept either an innocent or a no-contest plea when I sent them the "ransom". I think "extortion" and "ransom" fit quite well. What else would you call them?

I have addressed the first half of your post. The last half of your post is nothing more than an emotional, desperate, hate filled diatribe, dripping with contempt and vitriol. You obviously had nothing intelligent or constructive to say so you resorted to the immature antics of your childhood. When all else fails, call them crazy, eh Liz. How mature.

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Response to Daniel - Keep the desperate insults coming!

AUTHOR: Brian - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Thursday, February 23, 2006

Daniel-

In your most recent post, much of your premis is built on your statement "those pesky anti-corruption policies prevent Parkey, his supervisor Gilbert and the Chief of Police from making the ticket go away". When I spoke to Mr. Gilbert, he informed me that Mr. Parkey was the only officer with the authority to reconsider and reverse the ticket. Mr. Howey inferred the same. Mr. Parkey had the authority to make things right. I will let this clarification speak for itself as to the validity of much of your most recent post.

You have missed the point regarding the signage issue. You have been spending your time and wasting mine on word games, name calling, and role playing. This adolescent behavior may be in your comfort zone but would it be possible for me to pursuade you to move beyond it? Step off the playground, take a deep breath (remember to exhale), and consider the overall picture. Allow me to break some of this down for you:

(1) I was parked on the north side of Jefferson Street, facing west, between Cleborn Street and Zoll Street.
(2) The front bumper of my car was at least 361 feet from the edge of Cleborn Street.
(3) The rear bumper of my car was at least 245 feet from the edge of Zoll Street.
(4) At the time, there were only two signs on the north side of Jefferson Street: One less than 40 feet from Cleborn Street and one less than 40 feet from Zoll Street; both signs read "No Parking Anytime".
(5) The Warrensburg Missouri Parking Ordinances, Article V. Sec. 23-281.(a) states "The city traffic engineer is hereby authorized to determine and designate by proper signs places not exceeding one hundred (100) feet in length in which the stopping, standing or parking of vehicles would create an especially hazardous condition or would cause unusual delay to traffic."

Now that I have pulled it all together for you, perhaps you will see my point. Then again, it collides with your agenda, so I will not hold my breath. I would think that you, of all people, would be willing to admit that, given the above, "No Parking Anytime" and "No Parking This Side of Street" can indeed mean different things.

Thank you for your comments regarding this webpage and its effect on Mr. Howey's attitude towards me. You are correct. It is folly to expect an individual of poor character to respond positively when confronted with evidence of their own wrongdoing. Had Mr. Parkey been a man of better character, I never would have spoken to Mr. Gilber. Had Mr. Gilber been a man of better character, I never would have spoken to Mr. Howey. Had Mr. Howey been a man of better character, I never would have had to plead "extorted" and pay the ransom.

You mentioned that I could have used a subpoena to gain access to the evidence I required. I appreciate your advice but at this point, in my eyes, this matter is resolved.

You seem dedicated to the cause of labeling me as a conspiracy theorist. As this is an off topic issue, I will address it briefly only because you are misusing it in an attempt to portray me as a sort of chicken little. I am, in fact, quite the opposite of a conspiracy theorist, even to a fault; I consider myself a conspiracy detractor. A vast majority of conspiracy theories are based on misinformation, heresay, and questionable evidence, and are propagated through a misunderstanding of history, math, science, and human nature. Being detail oriented, I tend to avoid illogical assumptions and look for legitimate and proven facts, something curiously absent in most conspiracy theories. If you have taken offense to my conspiracy theory bashing, please accept my humble apologies; I am only defending myself.

You said you wanted proof. I will ask you as I did Pete, exactly what proof would satisfy you? Oh, and since you are a lawyer, maybe I should amend my question to preclude an absurd response: Exactly what reasonably obtainable proof would satisfy you?

I have enjoyed our little exchange, and I look forward to more.

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Conspiracy?

AUTHOR: Elizabeth - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Thursday, February 23, 2006

Brian,

Okay, let me get this straight. I read the entire (yes, entire) thread and I just want to make sure there's no confusion here.

You get a parking ticket in Warrensburg after parking in a "No Parking" zone. There are signs that state "No Parking" on that side of the street and yet you parked there anyway. The sign either said "No parking this side of the street" or it said "No parking anytime." I would think that either way that would mean NO PARKING but hey maybe I'm wrong. THEN, you talk to the chief of police and make the assumption that he is a corrupt politician taking part in a conspiracy to bilk you out of your $15.00 because he won't throw out your parking ticket you got in a no parking zone. I see that he said you can either pay it or have your day in court. When did "have your day in court" get translated to mean "show up in Warrensburg and we will beat you with rubber hoses and treat you like a black man running from the Maplewood police?" I don't see anywhere in any of your VERY long winded replies and updates where any member of the Warrensburg police department threatened you in any way. So, you blow off court (since the WPD is waiting at the city limits to kill you for blowing their cover) and claim "extortion" and then "pay the ransom." What exactly they were holding hostage and you paid ransom on I didn't get.

Brian, you sounds as if you are in need of a good shrink. Your posts sound paranoid and delusional. I used to live in Kansas City and drove through Warrensburg on a very regular basis and have dealt with the WPD a few times. Fortunately for me it was from being rear-ended or stopping once to ask for directions to a store. I found them to be very helpful and polite although I must admit a bit dim. If stupidity is a crime so be it. Last time I checked ticketing someone for parking in a no parking zone was not a crime either. I'm guessing the reason there are more "No parking" signs up now is because they figure they need to make things clearer to those that have a license but yet aren't the sharpest knife in the drawer. Let me know if you ever visit St. Louis, I'll put up billboards for you so you know where to leave the car. Just please take your Lithium or Prozac before heading east.

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Proven nothing, still goofy.

AUTHOR: Daniel - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Wednesday, February 22, 2006

Pete: I sense sarcasm dripping from your post. (Stating the obvious for Brian's benefit, I don't think he gets it)

Brian:
Because you are such an easy target Brian I really should stop but somehow I just can't resist.

Given that you have accused an officer, his immediate supervisor and the chief of police of being corrupt, and given the size of the Warrensburg Police Department, I suppose "mass" may well be a reckless exaggeration on my part but then again, I'm not sure how big the Police Department there is so mass may really be relative term. Since you haven't alleged that other supervisors or officers in Warrensburg are corrupt, perhaps the use of systemic is also an overstatement. Please accept my most sincere apology for overstating in my summarization.

I will type this next part slower in hopes that it will help you understand. You protest your ticket to Officer Parkey, who wrote the ticket. You quoted Parkey as saying I understand. Take it to the judge. You probably have a case. Now, I wouldn't want to put words in Parkey's mouth and suggest that he admitted without equivocation that you were parked legally but your quote of him does seem to be an admission on his part that perhaps he could understand your perception of the inadequacy or propriety of the signs and that perhaps you have a defensible position that should be presented to the judge. As you now know, those pesky anti-corruption policies prevent Parkey, his supervisor Gilbert and the Chief of Police from making the ticket go away. At this point, you had the option of going before the judge and explaining your position. I suspect (another word for speculate) that Parkey may well been inclined to agree with your perception and the judge would have dismissed the ticket and you would have beat the rap.

But noooo. You jump straight to the C word. CORRUPTION. Parkey admits you may have a defensible position and he refuses to violate anti-corruption rules by fixing the ticket. He suggests you take it to the judge because you probably have a case. Goodness gracious this can only be the work of a corrupt police officer.

So you go to Parkey's supervisor, Corporal Gilbert, who said he can't and won't instruct Officer Parkey to void one of his tickets. Holy cow Brian yet another refusal by a police officer to violate anti-corruption rules! By golly untrustworthy is the only description I have for Gilbert and Parkey, how about you Brian? Its beginning to smell a lot like corruption around here isn't it? Gilbert even suggests that perhaps you might be able to plead your case to the prosecuting attorney. Although not a fruitful suggestion for you, I do sense that in making such a suggestion that Gilbert was maybe a tad sympathetic to your situation.

What with all this corruption, you then turn to the last resort, the head Fred, the HMFIC, the big cheese, none other than Chief of Police Howey. But little did we know, he is a double speaking lunatic politician. No help there, still no willingness to get rid of the ticket. Those old pesky anti-corruption rules. But wait, you said Chief Howey told you I could either pay the fine or have my day in court. Hold the presses!!! Another suggestion that perhaps you should let the judge sort this out? Wow, isn't this system of justice and anti-corruption a b***h?

But wait, there is more. In his own corrupt, double speaking, lunatic, politician way, Chief Howey suggests, God forbid, that perhaps no parking anytime and no parking this side of the street mean the same thing. What the @#%&! How could that be? Now some may accuse me of being an astute lawyer adept in the fine art of legal acrobatics but I just don't understand how two signs worded differently could possibly convey the same message. Oh the confusion. Let's see, I pull up and signs on this side of the street sayno parking this side of the street. I think that means I can't park on this side of the street. So I turn around to park on the other side of the street but darn, the sign says no parking any time. I think that means I can't park on this side of the street either. Darn, neither sign authorizes parking at any time on either side of the street. Eureka!!! There you have it folks, an astute lawyer adept in the fine art of legal acrobatics figured this one out. Neither sign authorizes parking at any time, any where. No charge for that lawyerly advice (see, not money grubbing). Hey, is this just a dance around the intent of the law? Apparently the intent of the law is that parking is not authorized, so maybe not. Maybe they should put up signs that say no parking ever, especially morons from Kansas.

I have more....Maybe sign placement is your argument. But is that it? How many signs should there be Brian? Every block may be different. Everyone knows (OK maybe not Kansans) that you can't block driveways or fireplugs. Do we need signs to remind Kansans to not block driveways or fireplugs? Maybe so. On the otherhand, this may be your defensible position.

So Brian, you scream about corruption, put it on a website for the world to see then you call the chief and complain. Apparently in response to your complaint, the chief has the city put up more signs. Won't that mean fewer tickets. Fewer tickets=less money. Corruption, maybe not Oh yeah, you post all this corruption rhetoric on this site and then expect the chief to help you defend your case. Why would he do that after you bashed his department and officer? Ah but isn't that why we have the subpoena power of the court? Subpoena public works and thier records, prove the signs were changed and win your case.

Brian I would like to thank you for defining the meaning of conspiracy and/or conspiracy theory. I understand why you dislike those terms. Is it because they suit you so well? And yes based on what you have posted here, I do believe you to be a conspiratorial nut. But I can be swayed. Should you manage to bring forth some scintilla of believable proof, other than your own supposition and conjecture, that there really is corruption in the Warrensburg Police Department, and post it here, I may well change my mind.

Maybe you got a bad rap on the ticket. That don't spell corruption.

And the only thing you have proven is that you are still goofy.

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Response to Pete - What exactly did you find?

AUTHOR: Brian - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Wednesday, February 22, 2006

Pete-

Your post is a bit vague.

What did you see in the sentence you quoted?

Oh, and you mentioned proof; exactly what proof would satisfy you?

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#55 Consumer Comment

Yup, here it is

AUTHOR: Pete - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Wednesday, February 22, 2006

'However, after speaking with Mr. Parkey, I am convinced that we did indeed stumble into a legitimate case of law enforcement corruption.'

And you proved it too, right Brian?

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Response to Daniels offer to be my lawyer... Okay, maybe not ;-)

AUTHOR: Brian - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Wednesday, February 22, 2006

Daniel-

You have misread my post.

You have obviously become accustomed to digging through text in search of alternate meanings or "loopholes". If you can set this habit aside for a while, read my post again and you just might get it.

To further assist you, consider the following clarifications:

I NEVER said that this case was a matter of "mass corruption". I DID say in my last post "It is sad that a few bad apples give an entire profession a bad name." This is hardly "mass corruption". Your use of "mass corruption" is one of your many attempts to put words in my mouth, words carefully chosen by a lawyer attempting to mislead his audience into thinking that his opponent is some kind of conspiratorial nut. Shame on you.

I NEVER said that any member of the Warrensburg Police Department is putting citation money in their own pockets. I HAVE said that some members of the Warrensburg Police Department are engaged in illicit activities that benefit the department monetarily. There is a difference here and you know it.

I did NOT ignore your earlier post regarding audits. I DID find it irrelevant. Your insistence that audit information will prove me wrong demostrates your ignorance in this matter. Audits are far from perfect. They cannot be practically implemented to be perfectly thorough. They are often meant to hit only the "hot spots". Some can be fooled. Some are designed poorly and are of no effect. Regardless, only a fool would expect an audit to answer the question; "In Warrensburg Missouri, how many unchallenged illegitimate tickets have been written to out of town motorists, how much revenue was generated from these tickets, and how does this compare to the national average?" You should learn the facts before you begin lecturing others.

I did NOT miss the point of your breakfast story; I understood it perfectly. I DID make a point of my own about it which you lazily dismissed. You seem dedicated to likening me to the drunk driver. This is foolish. The drunk driver in your story was indignant because he was in danger of losing his driving privileges and he was motivated by revenge. I am indignant because I have been falsly accused and I am unable to defend myself because I have been denied access to the evidence I require to prove my innocence. This story is not working for you here. You may want to come up with another one that more closely fits your agenda.


You have twisted my words.

You have obviously become accustomed to rephrasing the words of others to give them a ludicrous tone. Stop playing politics with the words of others. If you have a legitimate point to make, state it plainly.

To further assist you, consider the following:

You have titled my claims as "conspiracy theory" in an attempt to associate them with the body of misinformed and paranoid histeria that currently deludes a small minority of the general public. I dislike the phrase "conspiracy theory" because I have found that it is too broad and subject to misuse by people like yourself. Consider the fact that while most "conspiracy theories" are never proven, some are, and once a "conspiracy theory" is proven, we give it a new name: "history". So although you like to call everything with which you disagree a goofy conspiracy theory, bear in mind that history will, as it has in the past, show people like you for what you are: dead wrong and adamantly so.

You have similarly rephrased my words to mean "mass corruption" and "systemic corruption" which are akin to your use of "conspiracy theory". You must think very little of others to presume them weak-minded enough to fall for your word games.


You have made it clear that you do not believe me. I have no problem with this. I wonder though; have you ever looked at a case objectively or do you only study a case through the prism of who is paying you? Your eager presumption of my guilt gives me pity for your clients, not to mention the cause of justice in general.

You have made it clear that you take issue with my lack of evidence or proof. I wonder; have you read everything here or are you just choosing to ignore some of what you have read? Your agenda seems to preclude any acknowledgement on your part that my attempts to gather evidence were thwarted by the powers that be in Warrensburg Missouri.

You have made it clear that you do not believe that my concerns for my safety are justified. You are entitled to your opinion. I received the threats, you did not. Your carelessness in this matter costs you nothing.

You have made it clear that you see my claims as slanderous and baseless. You are entitled to your opinion as I am entitled to mine. I suspect that, for you, this is nothing more than a game, which is why you have chosen to ignore some of the facts. This is your prerogative. I, on the other hand, did not elect to become involved in this matter. This is not a game for me. This is serious. I know the facts, and for me to report or act on anything other than the truth would be in violation of my beliefs. This is my prerogative.

You have made it clear that you see it as your duty to defend our public servants. This is a noble cause and I applaud your conviction, but I suspect, given everything you have said thus far, that you are not up to the task. I have always felt that it is the duty of every American to support and defend the person and purpose of our public servants. Recent events have taught me that an important part of this is to excoriate and condemn public servants that abuse their position of authority. You may want to give this some serious consideration. You have said that you "do not condone police corruption" yet simultaneously you excuse it by dismissing one example of it as "goofy" while twisting and/or ignoring the facts of the case. You cannot have this both ways. Blind support and defense of the person and purpose of our public servants without exception to those that abuse their position of authority is wrong; it encourages public servants of ill repute and brings injury to those on sound moral ground.

You have made it clear that you enjoy the title of "an astute lawyer adept in the fine art of legal acrobatics". It is quite telling that you take pride in being a shrewd, self-serving lawyer whose skill enables him to dance around the intent of the law. It may surprise you to know that to many of us ordinary folk, this is NOT a positive endorsement of character, even for a lawyer.

You rejected my assessment of you as "money grubbing". Having read all of your posts on this case, it seemed to fit best. I must have missed something though, and I apologize if I have offended you. I wonder; what conclusion should I have come to, given what you have written here thus far? What motivates you, Daniel?

Your superstitions and race-baiting are off-topic and do not belong here. Take your talk of "black evil helicopters", "September 11th government conspiracies", "man on the moon fraud conspiracies", "holocaust fraud conspiracies", and any of your other extracurricular obsessions to forums elsewhere.

You mentioned that you think someone else may be writing for me. Could your accusations be any more pointless and desperate? If my writing style and vocabulary offend you, go away.

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THE VERITABLE KING OF WHINERS...

AUTHOR: Stephen - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Saturday, February 18, 2006

Id be willing to send the offending officer 15.00 to back up over this guys head...

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Brian you are still Goofy

AUTHOR: Daniel - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Friday, February 17, 2006

I haven't been on here in a while and just saw your rant about me. I'll say it again Brian. You are just plain goofy.

Please note that I never once commented on the propriety or impropriety of the ticket you received. I don't know Office Parkey or his Chief or any other officer on the Warrenburg Police Department and I have not defended the individual actions of any of them.

What I did attack was your goofy conspiracy theory and theory of mass corruption in the Warrensburg Police Department. If you truly think that the Chief of Police of Warrensburg and all or even a select few officers under his command have the wherewithal or ability to get together and conspire to line their own pockets by writing parking tickets to hapless out of town visitors and to keep such a conspiracy out of the public eye, you are goofier than your ranting posts suggest.

As I stated in my earlier post (which you carefully ignored), the ticket you got has a serial number just as every other ticket written in this state. Those numbers are regularly audited by the Office of the State Courts Administrator. With a Sunshine Law request to the City of Warrensburg you can find out exactly how many tickets are written in Warrensburg every year, exactly how much revenue is generated and, where that revenue goes. You probably ignored that part of my post because if you did do the research, in all likelihood you would find that every ticket and every dime is accounted for and you would no longer have anything to whine about except a ticket that may or may not have been improperly written.

Yes Brian I said it. Your ticket may well have been improperly written, some are, the vast majority are not, but to suggest, without proof, that your ticket was written improperly because of systemic corruption in Warrensburg is nothing short of ludicrous. Your suggestion that a Warrensburg police officer might murder you because of your protestations is even more outlandish. Soon the black evil helicopters will begin circling your house to take you away.

Where is your proof Brian? Where? Ask for the numbers from the City Auditor. They are required to give the information to you. You won't ask because you know it will prove you wrong. I am no apologist for police corruption. I do not condone police corruption nor do I condone corrupt or unethical behavior by members of the bar. By the same token, Brian, I cannot stand idly by why someone (you) conducts a slanderous, baseless attack on the men and women who serve us. If Parkey improperly wrote you a ticket, go to court and utilize the system as it was designed. (then again, as a conspiracy theorist, your excuse for not doing so is the death threats by the police over a $15 ticket and that the prosecutor and the court are also involved in the corruption)

Whine and moan all you want Brian but if all you are going to do is make sweeping allegations of corruption and conspiracies without being willing to take the time to actually look at the cold hard facts available to you by law then you are really nothing more than another faceless idiot behind a computer who knows how to use a thesaurus (either that or someone else is now writing your rants for you because your command of the English language has markedly improved).

Go get your proof Brian. They have to give it to. You don't even have to go to Warrensburg. You can make all your requests from of the city by mail from Kansas. No need to worry about having to go to Warrensburg where you might get killed, beaten, tortured and imprisoned for nothing more than a $15 parking ticket. Go get your proof Brian and put in your next rant.

I do thank your for the compliment in recognizing me as an astute attorney adept in the fine art of legal acrobatics (your words) As a modestly salaried employee of a public entity who truly believes in the importance of what I do at the expense of the possibility of earning much, much, more, I must, however, disagree with your assessment of me being money grubbing.

I also think you missed the point of my breakfast story. The story wasn't about a lawyer's time, money and winning. My descriptors of the two characters was the point. The jackass willing to expend great resources and energy to get his own brand of justice all the while bent on damaging the reputation of the officer(s) that arrested him and the gracious and gentlemanly fellow who was quite astute about who actually won. Where do you fit in that picture Brian? The one willing to spend great resources and energy while making baseless allegations in an attempt to damage the reputations of those you believe served you some injustice? Face it Brian, you are the jackass in the story. You have never provided one iota of proof that establishes a basis for your allegations of corruption or a conspiracy. Look at all the time and energy you have expended. You sir are the one who lacks credibility and integrity here. And where is your dignity Man?

If you really truly believe you have been victimized by corruption in Warrensburg, I would bet you also believe that the September 11 attacks were a giant government conspiracy, that man never walked on the moon and that the Holocaust was a figment of someone's imagination. I would also bet that you are not a member of a protected class of our population because you are the type of whiner that would have played the race card long ago regardless of its factual basis. Your really should seek professional help.

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Serving Justice VS Lining Pocketbooks

AUTHOR: Brian - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Monday, December 26, 2005

Daniel-

Your implication that I am attempting to 'teach them a lesson' by skipping court simply demonstrates that you have decided to bring your prevaricating courtroom antics to this website. I have already stated here that I decided to skip my court date because of the threats I recieved from the Chief of Police. You would already know this if you had taken the time to read this entire topic prior to posting.

You said that all law enforcement officers are now subject to my mistrust. This is true. It is sad that a few bad apples give an entire profession a bad name. (As a lawyer, you may find that many of your colleagues agree.) You asked if I think that these law enforcement officers care that they are now subject to my mistrust. I believe that the good ones do care.

Thank you for sharing your breakfast story; you have unwittingly demonstrated that to lawyers such as yourself, time, money, and winning are all that matter. You may be surprised to learn that to some of us, justice matters, and when we read your story, we are concerned with the possibility that a guilty man 'got away with it'. The time, money, and winning, are all secondary to the cause of justice in the matter. You asked me if I won. In your terms, I spent time, money, and more money, so no, I did not win. In my terms, I was respectful and honest and I kept my integrity so yes, I did win.

You can continue in your role as an apologist for police corruption and you can continue to belittle and insult those with whom you disagree. Your deceptive diatribe may pursuade the weak-minded, but most will simply consider the source; an astute money grubbing lawyer adept in the fine art of legal acrobatics.

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#50 Consumer Suggestion

just a little thought

AUTHOR: Steve - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Thursday, December 22, 2005

I am just going to throw this out there for you all that say there is no way that police would engage in behavior like this. On the college campus I attended, our campus police generated around $900,000 a year on parking tickets, and I would guess nearly 95% of that was generated in the 9 months of the year for regular class. that was 3 years ago, that is just campus police it doesn't include the city police. Which also generate insane amounts of cash. If any of you think it is above police officers to issue as many tickets as possible knowing most people will roll over and pay them I have a bridge I would like to sell you.

As far as police being corrupt to the point of harassment, and corruption in small courts goes a lot higher than many of you can conceive.

Sorry it didn't work out for you like you had hoped, but life goes on and hopefully this was a good lesson learned.

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#49 Consumer Comment

The Truth: Brian tis a Scofflaw

AUTHOR: Daniel - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Wednesday, December 21, 2005

Holy Toledo. Brian gets a $15 parking ticket and disagrees with it. He spends countless hours bagging on the police over this conspiracy to defraud hapless citizens passing through the 'Burg. Brian decides enough is enough, he will take matters into his own hands and he is really going to show those crooked cops in Warrensburg. How? you ask. Brain, errr, I mean Brian "skips court." Smart move hotshot..... Because of the massive and insidious conspiracy called the criminal justice system, the Court, not the police, suggests to Brian that he now owes even more money for non-appearance/contempt. Guess you showed them Brian. Now every law enforcement officer in the entire world is subject to Brian's mistrust. Do you think they are "skeerd" or that they care?

I once went to breakfast with a couple of business owners, one, a gracious and gentlemanly fellow (now deceased) and the other a pompous jackass. The jackass spent the entire time ranting and raving about his arrest for DUI (mostly bagging on the police about the conspiracy to ruin him) He did not deny driving drunk but went on and on about how it took him three years but he beat the rap and has is license back. The gentleman quietly asked the jackass how much he spent on his defense considering he was drunk an all. He bragged that it cost him all of $10,000.00 but he won by God. The gentleman quietly leaned over and asked of the Jackass...Who really won?

Brian...when it is all said and done, did you win?

I bet with a little bit of research, you can find out exactly how many tickets are written in Warrensburg every year. Given that every ticket has a number and those tickets/numbers are audited every year by the state you can get a precise number. I bet the Police Chief and/or the Court Administrator even prepares a report to the City Counsel and the auditor every month. Even the Missouri Attorney General has a stop census data report that is put out every year that has all contacts by every police department in the state. Just look. As Deep Throat said "follow the money." I bet every ticket and every dime is accounted for and I bet Chase Parkey ain't gettin' rich off you.

Brian, you need professional help. They have medication that does wonders for paranoia. I bet we could even get a couple of Gardner cops to come over and give you a little tune-up (electro-shock therapy) with a Taser.

Thanks for the update Brian. It really clarifies just how goofy your entire rant is.

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#48 Author of original report

Finally some closure!

AUTHOR: Brian - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Wednesday, December 07, 2005

I have been busy recently, and have not had a chance to provide updates. Nonetheless, I'm here now to do just that so here goes...

Sparky, as a self-proclaimed ex-police officer for the Warrensburg Police Department, you have claimed that most of the police officers in Warrensburg are not corrupt, they are just stupid. Have you considered the possibility that any organization dominated by stupidity might eventually allow corruption to creep in?

Sparky, Pete, and Michael, you and others seem skeptical at the notion of corruption over $15.00. The point has already been made that corruption is corruption. Consider the Salami Banking fraud, which can net the defrauding individual millions of dollars, a fraction of a cent at a time. If you steal half a penny from 10 million people, you have $50,000.00. Your victims have lost little but you have gained (stolen) much. Regardless of how little you steal it is still theft. Hurricane Katrina happened one raindrop at a time. The fact that you, as a self-proclaimed police officer miss this point, is unfortunate commentary as to the lack of character of Law Enforcement in general.

Sparky, you said "...no parking anytime and no parking on this side of the street pretty much mean the same thing...". Why then are there two differently worded signs? Why was the signage changed on Jefferson? Here too the fact that you, as a self-proclaimed police officer, miss this point says little that is positive for those in your line of work.

Sparky, as I posted in an earlier update, the prosecutor will not allow the Public Works Department to provide me with any documentation regarding the signage change on Jefferson. Therefore, I do not possess this evidence as you allege.

Dan, please read before you post. Your points have already been addressed. You may find the parking ordinances for the city of Warrensburg especially enlightening, specifically Article V. Sec. 23-268 and Article V. Sec. 23-281.(a).

Daniel and Joe, for your peace of mind, rest assured that every bit of time that I have spent on this issue has been my own. Dealing with this issue on my employers time would be theft.

Finally...

My thoughts on going to Warrensburg for my court date were mixed. I wanted to face my accusers, but having established their willingness to lie and tamper with evidence, I knew that it was anyones guess what they were really capable of. I decided that, for the sake of my own safety, I would skip my court date. Several days afterwords, I received a letter in the mail from them demanding payment of the ticket and various other charges. The total was now nearly three times the original ticket amount. Now though, a plea of "guilty" was not required. This was not my first choice but it will do; I could plead "extorted" and pay the ransom, putting the matter behind me. This is what I have done.

This entire issue has been a learning experience for me. I used to trust law enforcement. I no longer do. Law enforcement is a business bent on making a profit like any other. In a manner of speaking, I deserve what happened here for ever thinking that law enforcement would reach beyond a profit motive to strive for the higher ideal of justice.

Brian

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#47 Author of original report

Finally some closure!

AUTHOR: Brian - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Wednesday, December 07, 2005

I have been busy recently, and have not had a chance to provide updates. Nonetheless, I'm here now to do just that so here goes...

Sparky, as a self-proclaimed ex-police officer for the Warrensburg Police Department, you have claimed that most of the police officers in Warrensburg are not corrupt, they are just stupid. Have you considered the possibility that any organization dominated by stupidity might eventually allow corruption to creep in?

Sparky, Pete, and Michael, you and others seem skeptical at the notion of corruption over $15.00. The point has already been made that corruption is corruption. Consider the Salami Banking fraud, which can net the defrauding individual millions of dollars, a fraction of a cent at a time. If you steal half a penny from 10 million people, you have $50,000.00. Your victims have lost little but you have gained (stolen) much. Regardless of how little you steal it is still theft. Hurricane Katrina happened one raindrop at a time. The fact that you, as a self-proclaimed police officer miss this point, is unfortunate commentary as to the lack of character of Law Enforcement in general.

Sparky, you said "...no parking anytime and no parking on this side of the street pretty much mean the same thing...". Why then are there two differently worded signs? Why was the signage changed on Jefferson? Here too the fact that you, as a self-proclaimed police officer, miss this point says little that is positive for those in your line of work.

Sparky, as I posted in an earlier update, the prosecutor will not allow the Public Works Department to provide me with any documentation regarding the signage change on Jefferson. Therefore, I do not possess this evidence as you allege.

Dan, please read before you post. Your points have already been addressed. You may find the parking ordinances for the city of Warrensburg especially enlightening, specifically Article V. Sec. 23-268 and Article V. Sec. 23-281.(a).

Daniel and Joe, for your peace of mind, rest assured that every bit of time that I have spent on this issue has been my own. Dealing with this issue on my employers time would be theft.

Finally...

My thoughts on going to Warrensburg for my court date were mixed. I wanted to face my accusers, but having established their willingness to lie and tamper with evidence, I knew that it was anyones guess what they were really capable of. I decided that, for the sake of my own safety, I would skip my court date. Several days afterwords, I received a letter in the mail from them demanding payment of the ticket and various other charges. The total was now nearly three times the original ticket amount. Now though, a plea of "guilty" was not required. This was not my first choice but it will do; I could plead "extorted" and pay the ransom, putting the matter behind me. This is what I have done.

This entire issue has been a learning experience for me. I used to trust law enforcement. I no longer do. Law enforcement is a business bent on making a profit like any other. In a manner of speaking, I deserve what happened here for ever thinking that law enforcement would reach beyond a profit motive to strive for the higher ideal of justice.

Brian

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#46 Author of original report

Finally some closure!

AUTHOR: Brian - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Wednesday, December 07, 2005

I have been busy recently, and have not had a chance to provide updates. Nonetheless, I'm here now to do just that so here goes...

Sparky, as a self-proclaimed ex-police officer for the Warrensburg Police Department, you have claimed that most of the police officers in Warrensburg are not corrupt, they are just stupid. Have you considered the possibility that any organization dominated by stupidity might eventually allow corruption to creep in?

Sparky, Pete, and Michael, you and others seem skeptical at the notion of corruption over $15.00. The point has already been made that corruption is corruption. Consider the Salami Banking fraud, which can net the defrauding individual millions of dollars, a fraction of a cent at a time. If you steal half a penny from 10 million people, you have $50,000.00. Your victims have lost little but you have gained (stolen) much. Regardless of how little you steal it is still theft. Hurricane Katrina happened one raindrop at a time. The fact that you, as a self-proclaimed police officer miss this point, is unfortunate commentary as to the lack of character of Law Enforcement in general.

Sparky, you said "...no parking anytime and no parking on this side of the street pretty much mean the same thing...". Why then are there two differently worded signs? Why was the signage changed on Jefferson? Here too the fact that you, as a self-proclaimed police officer, miss this point says little that is positive for those in your line of work.

Sparky, as I posted in an earlier update, the prosecutor will not allow the Public Works Department to provide me with any documentation regarding the signage change on Jefferson. Therefore, I do not possess this evidence as you allege.

Dan, please read before you post. Your points have already been addressed. You may find the parking ordinances for the city of Warrensburg especially enlightening, specifically Article V. Sec. 23-268 and Article V. Sec. 23-281.(a).

Daniel and Joe, for your peace of mind, rest assured that every bit of time that I have spent on this issue has been my own. Dealing with this issue on my employers time would be theft.

Finally...

My thoughts on going to Warrensburg for my court date were mixed. I wanted to face my accusers, but having established their willingness to lie and tamper with evidence, I knew that it was anyones guess what they were really capable of. I decided that, for the sake of my own safety, I would skip my court date. Several days afterwords, I received a letter in the mail from them demanding payment of the ticket and various other charges. The total was now nearly three times the original ticket amount. Now though, a plea of "guilty" was not required. This was not my first choice but it will do; I could plead "extorted" and pay the ransom, putting the matter behind me. This is what I have done.

This entire issue has been a learning experience for me. I used to trust law enforcement. I no longer do. Law enforcement is a business bent on making a profit like any other. In a manner of speaking, I deserve what happened here for ever thinking that law enforcement would reach beyond a profit motive to strive for the higher ideal of justice.

Brian

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#45 Consumer Suggestion

You should be so lucky

AUTHOR: Jacob - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Thursday, October 13, 2005

Try a ticket in NYC (new york city)
Just the "surcharge" alone is $50.
My fine was only $40.Totaling $90
(if you get more tickets there is only One surcharge applied)
I think that is so unconstitutional,but I paid it.
Im from Pennsylvania.(note a parking ticket in NYC is $50 because of forgetting that dumb quarter)Ive gotten some un-fair tickets too and had the same problems.Firstly I would have tried to get some evidence of the Phoned in complaint and went from there.The promptly gotten pictures.
(note:some signs do say no parking with a small arrow under them.usually they put one at each end and they thus point toward eachother)yes the arrows are small.
http://www.michigan.gov/images/No_Parking_Collage_70160_7.gif or Best seen in this one http://www.creamy.org/noparking/noparking.jpg
How would you like to get not 1 but 2 tickets in a row in your own private parking place for expired registration at midnight and the next day of expiery*? The law says ticket no good..the complex requested police to treat the lot as the streets.Who's right and who's wrong..the police chief refused to sympathsize even one of the tickets.for you,id pay it and think of alternate retalliation.they alreay changed the signs its probly too late.~or~ never pay it and worry about being on cops tv show one evening.Im not being sarcastic,but My tickets were $20 each and Im on limited income.I still had to pay.

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#44 Consumer Comment

How much do you make in an hour?

AUTHOR: Joe - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Thursday, October 13, 2005

Brian,

Just how much do you make per hour? You obviously wasted enough time that you spent more on this in time/money than you would have if you paid the frigging ticket.

Aside from that, I strongly suggest if you really want your revenge, go look on Amazon for a book from George Hayduke 100 Dirty Tricks - also located under REVENGE topic.

Lots of goodies in there...some I've actually used. Most of it you would end up in the pokey if you did it...but well worth it if you get away with it...I especially like the trick where you pretend to be a lawn care specialist and spread vegetation killer on the lawn when the person is not home...or similarly act as a painter and start a paint job when they're gone...and leave after just a short time with an undone job.

Either way...you're likely to end up in the slammer if you do those in a dumb way like you are doing now by trying to fight a futile battle.

My best one for this was to take a picture of an illegally parked campus cop (parked in 2 spaces instead of 1 and both meters expired) and take that along with my ticket and insist either they ticket him personally (took picture of him getting out of the car smoking a pipe...so obviously not on duty) or tear up my ticket. They opted to ticket him...either way that was satisfaction. I had to stake out the place for awhile...but lived close enough to do it on my spare time walking by.

Most cops are just fine, but a lot of them were the snotty little whiners who we beat up in school who now want their revenge on us...by turning into jack-booted thugs.

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#43 Consumer Comment

re Just park illegally park in Boise, Idaho

AUTHOR: Michael - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Thursday, October 13, 2005

Just park illegally park in Boise, Idaho.
I was in a marked no parking zone and in front of a hydrant. All I got was a 2 dollar ticket. And since it was raining the nice officer put the ticket AND envelope in a plastic baggie before putting it under my wiper.
I paid it and moved on. Please do the same.


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#42 Consumer Comment

Brian must have seen the error of his ways.

AUTHOR: Daniel - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Wednesday, October 12, 2005

Hmmmmmm. I graduated from college in Warrensburg in the early '80's. My wife has two degrees from the university there and my daughter is a college junior living in Warrensburg. I live much closer to Warrensburg than Brian and go to or through Warrensburg several times a year, every year for a variety of reason. I have been involved in law enforcement and the law for almost 25 years. I have tried jury trials in the State Court located in Warrensburg. I have represented accused citizens in both city and state court in Warrensburg. I regularly donate to the college alumuni association in Warrensburg. I missed the publicity about innocent, taxpaying, law abiding citizens like Brian who unfortunately venture to Warrensburg and end up being "harassed, persecuted, and even killed over issues far less significant than a parking ticket." (Brian's words) I wonder where Brian works and if his employer knows he is spending so much time on the computer bagging on the Warrensburg P.D.

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#41 Consumer Comment

Brian must have seen the error of his ways.

AUTHOR: Daniel - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Wednesday, October 12, 2005

Hmmmmmm. I graduated from college in Warrensburg in the early '80's. My wife has two degrees from the university there and my daughter is a college junior living in Warrensburg. I live much closer to Warrensburg than Brian and go to or through Warrensburg several times a year, every year for a variety of reason. I have been involved in law enforcement and the law for almost 25 years. I have tried jury trials in the State Court located in Warrensburg. I have represented accused citizens in both city and state court in Warrensburg. I regularly donate to the college alumuni association in Warrensburg. I missed the publicity about innocent, taxpaying, law abiding citizens like Brian who unfortunately venture to Warrensburg and end up being "harassed, persecuted, and even killed over issues far less significant than a parking ticket." (Brian's words) I wonder where Brian works and if his employer knows he is spending so much time on the computer bagging on the Warrensburg P.D.

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#40 Consumer Comment

Brian must have seen the error of his ways.

AUTHOR: Daniel - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Wednesday, October 12, 2005

Hmmmmmm. I graduated from college in Warrensburg in the early '80's. My wife has two degrees from the university there and my daughter is a college junior living in Warrensburg. I live much closer to Warrensburg than Brian and go to or through Warrensburg several times a year, every year for a variety of reason. I have been involved in law enforcement and the law for almost 25 years. I have tried jury trials in the State Court located in Warrensburg. I have represented accused citizens in both city and state court in Warrensburg. I regularly donate to the college alumuni association in Warrensburg. I missed the publicity about innocent, taxpaying, law abiding citizens like Brian who unfortunately venture to Warrensburg and end up being "harassed, persecuted, and even killed over issues far less significant than a parking ticket." (Brian's words) I wonder where Brian works and if his employer knows he is spending so much time on the computer bagging on the Warrensburg P.D.

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#39 Consumer Comment

And a good time will be had by all

AUTHOR: R - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Sunday, October 09, 2005

The state should dust off the chair for you Brian.

Pick up a few bags of chips and some drinks, and enjoy a good old fashioned weiner roast.

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#38 Consumer Comment

POLICE CORRUPTION REVEALED!!!

AUTHOR: Pete - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Sunday, October 09, 2005

We now take you to a dimly lit cell, downstairs in the Warrensburg Mo jail. Our hero, Brian, sits quietly, holding his head in his hands, rocking back and forth, repeatedly muttering 'What can I do now?' After being wrongfully ticketed (his words) for parking in a 'No Parking' zone, he embarked on his quest to expose the corruption in Warrenburg's Police Department. Although the fine was $15, he hired Johnnie Cochran's successor to bring charges against the Police Commissioner, the Mayor, the District Attorney, the State Attorney General, and Officer Chase Parkey, to bring to light their vendetta against out of state travelers to this city. Among the charges was evidence tampering. His original intent, he stated, was not to avoid payment of the ticket, but rather it was 'the principle' of the matter. Living an hour away, his phone bills mounted astronomically, gasoline bills rose due to numerous trips taken to Warrensburg, and the law firm ate up what savings he amassed. He was forced to declare bankruptcy, just in time to avoid the tighter federal restrictions being imposed in October.

His law firm removed itself from the case due to lack of payment and he was appointed a Public Defender by the judge hearing his lawsuit. But wait! His PD is the mayor's cousin. Could this mean he spends the rest of his days in that dank, damp cell?

He stated: "My children are watching this and I do not like the message they are getting from it."

Good lord, Brian! It's a $15 ticket. Pay the dam thing and get on with your life.

//sarcasm off//

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#37 Consumer Comment

POLICE CORRUPTION REVEALED!!!

AUTHOR: Pete - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Sunday, October 09, 2005

We now take you to a dimly lit cell, downstairs in the Warrensburg Mo jail. Our hero, Brian, sits quietly, holding his head in his hands, rocking back and forth, repeatedly muttering 'What can I do now?' After being wrongfully ticketed (his words) for parking in a 'No Parking' zone, he embarked on his quest to expose the corruption in Warrenburg's Police Department. Although the fine was $15, he hired Johnnie Cochran's successor to bring charges against the Police Commissioner, the Mayor, the District Attorney, the State Attorney General, and Officer Chase Parkey, to bring to light their vendetta against out of state travelers to this city. Among the charges was evidence tampering. His original intent, he stated, was not to avoid payment of the ticket, but rather it was 'the principle' of the matter. Living an hour away, his phone bills mounted astronomically, gasoline bills rose due to numerous trips taken to Warrensburg, and the law firm ate up what savings he amassed. He was forced to declare bankruptcy, just in time to avoid the tighter federal restrictions being imposed in October.

His law firm removed itself from the case due to lack of payment and he was appointed a Public Defender by the judge hearing his lawsuit. But wait! His PD is the mayor's cousin. Could this mean he spends the rest of his days in that dank, damp cell?

He stated: "My children are watching this and I do not like the message they are getting from it."

Good lord, Brian! It's a $15 ticket. Pay the dam thing and get on with your life.

//sarcasm off//

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#36 Consumer Comment

POLICE CORRUPTION REVEALED!!!

AUTHOR: Pete - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Sunday, October 09, 2005

We now take you to a dimly lit cell, downstairs in the Warrensburg Mo jail. Our hero, Brian, sits quietly, holding his head in his hands, rocking back and forth, repeatedly muttering 'What can I do now?' After being wrongfully ticketed (his words) for parking in a 'No Parking' zone, he embarked on his quest to expose the corruption in Warrenburg's Police Department. Although the fine was $15, he hired Johnnie Cochran's successor to bring charges against the Police Commissioner, the Mayor, the District Attorney, the State Attorney General, and Officer Chase Parkey, to bring to light their vendetta against out of state travelers to this city. Among the charges was evidence tampering. His original intent, he stated, was not to avoid payment of the ticket, but rather it was 'the principle' of the matter. Living an hour away, his phone bills mounted astronomically, gasoline bills rose due to numerous trips taken to Warrensburg, and the law firm ate up what savings he amassed. He was forced to declare bankruptcy, just in time to avoid the tighter federal restrictions being imposed in October.

His law firm removed itself from the case due to lack of payment and he was appointed a Public Defender by the judge hearing his lawsuit. But wait! His PD is the mayor's cousin. Could this mean he spends the rest of his days in that dank, damp cell?

He stated: "My children are watching this and I do not like the message they are getting from it."

Good lord, Brian! It's a $15 ticket. Pay the dam thing and get on with your life.

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#35 Consumer Comment

Brian's ticket taken care of yet?

AUTHOR: Marc - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Saturday, October 08, 2005

Brian, I've received two parking tickets that I considered bogus. Both times, I sent the ticket with the check and a letter attached explaining why I thought the ticket shouldn't have been issued. Both times, I received my check back uncashed, with a letter of apology. Maybe you could try that instead of calling the cops corrupt?

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#34 Consumer Comment

What Happened in Court?

AUTHOR: Daniel - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Friday, October 07, 2005

Brian:

It has been months since your last post. Have you been to Court? If so, what happened? With gas at $3 per gallon, I am wondering how many trips you made from Gardner to Warrensburg.

Just looking for an update on your indignation.

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WAY OFF BASE

AUTHOR: Dan - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Friday, August 12, 2005

Brian,

You are way off base here. Yes Bruce Howey and Jason Gilbert (correct spelling) are incompetent. Yes Bruce Howey has done several things in his career that I defines corruption. The City of Warrensburg does not push police officers to write traffic or parking tickets. I worked for the police department for several years. First of all, if you see a no parking sign at one end of the street and then one on the other end of the same street then maybe you should think before parking. Number two, where you obtained your parking ticket the street is only a couple of blocks and you can see the no parking signs from where you parked. Warrensburg Police officers do not get any money or raises for the amount of tickets that they write. You really need to get a life man, however stupid you might think this is if you need the ten bucks to help pay the ticket let me know and I can float you a loan. I do admit though you nailed it when you said that there is corrupation. Bruce Howey and the number two idiot Asher Snook are at the top of that list.

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#32 Consumer Comment

Ridiculous

AUTHOR: Sparky - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Friday, August 12, 2005

Dennis,

I am a resident of Warrensburg and an ex-police officer. Let me start by saying part of what you say is true, most of the police officers at the Warrensburg Police Department fell out of he idiot tree and hit every branch on the way down. This is exactly why I'm not there anymore. But come on, you really think there is a corruption ring centered around parking tickets. What is the fine for this great sin $15.00. I think that if these people were going to run a corruption ring it would be for something a little more lucrative. Another thing, no parking anytime and no parking on this side of the street pretty much mean the same thing "NO PARKING". For someone with common sense rather there is one sign that says no parking this side of the street or 15 it means the same thing. You then bring up that it was so suspicious that they went out and put up more signs, they did this because they probably agreed with you that it may have been confusing. So right there you have your evidence to go to court and say, it was confusing, they proved my point for me by putting up more signs.

As one person put in a response Cops are proud people and they are not going to admit that maybe they shouldn't have written the ticket. To be honest I really wish the police officers in my community had something better to do with their time than write meaningless parking tickets. While mehtamphetamine is rocketing out of control again they are out writing parking tickets.

So in conclusion yes there are a lot of idiots at the WPD but they are not corrupt just stupid. With some of the ramblings I read on here about unsolved murders and assaulting you over a parking ticket all I can say is you are as dumb as they are and you need to quit watching television so much. Maybe pickup a book.

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Prosecutor will not allow the Public Works Department to release documentation that proves Bruce Howey tampered with evidence

AUTHOR: Brian - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Saturday, July 02, 2005

I have spoken to the Public Works Department a number of times over the past few days. They have made it clear to me that the prosecutor will not allow them to provide me with any documentation regarding the signage change on Jefferson.

This does not surprise me much; these people seem to have a bulletproof racket in place.

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I chose to publicly expose the Warrensburg Police Department's corruption & morally bereft practices (extortion, double-speak, half-truths, bold-faced lies, & tampering with evidence) because I believe that their behavior has been reprehensible

AUTHOR: Brian - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Tuesday, June 28, 2005

Mike:

The intricacies of the interaction between the police department and the court system are not something I am too familiar with so what you have said about this may well be the case. However, I had heard that some police have a window of time in which they can reverse citations they have issued. This is why I called Chase Parkey first. He never told me that he could not, he only said he would not. Had he given me the impression when we talked that it was out of his control, this page would not exist.

I chose to publicly expose the Warrensburg Police Department's corruption and morally bereft practices (extortion, double-speak, half-truths, bold-faced lies, and tampering with evidence) because I believe that their behavior has been reprehensible. This has, as you put it, made them angry and defensive. (If you kick a rabid dog, you can expect to be bit.) At this point, I certainly expect NOTHING positive from them.

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#29 Consumer Suggestion

If the police weren't on a vendetta at first, they are now.

AUTHOR: Mike - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Monday, June 27, 2005

What have we learned here? The fundamental thing is that the police cannot cancel a ticket once it has been written and sent to the courts. There's a good reason the system works that way: the police won't be tempted accept bribes for that service. Crooked or not, the police can't help you now.

Since Brian continued to pester the police department (the wrong place) over this issue, he has made them angry and defensive. Handled properly from the start, it would have been easy to beat this ticket in court (and there wouldn't be any hard feelings over it). But now please listen to Dennis. You will be a lot safer to pay the $15.00 and move on. If the police didn't have a vendetta against you before, they do now.

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#28 Author of original report

John is stuck, Kim is confused, and questions for Dennis

AUTHOR: Brian - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Sunday, June 26, 2005

John:

Thank you for your humorous post. I was just thinking this report could use some levity to lighten the mood. Seriously though, you seem to be stuck on your argument; All this over a parking ticket? This issue has been addressed. Read before you post.

Kim:

Wow! Goodbye Kim. I am sorry that you did not understand the issue here.

You asked, Do you both really believe that the police in Warrensburg are going to arrest or assault you in some way if you go to this town to fight a traffic ticket? Just in case you missed it above, here is my synopsized answer: I think that, given the recent behavior of certain individuals within the Warrensburg police department, prudence demands that I not underestimate what these people are capable of and willing to do. People have been harassed, persecuted, and even killed over issues far less significant than a parking ticket. Furthermore, this may have begun as a simple dispute over a parking ticket but it has since grown into a public discussion regarding the corruption within the Warrensburg police department. I think this speaks for itself.

You called me paranoid. I am not paranoid. I think cautious is a more suitable way to describe me. I could elaborate on this but I do not have the time right now.

You have left me wondering; What do two county fairs and a state fair have to do with this issue?

Dennis:

Kim asked you a question about Janet. Are the rest of us out here missing something? Who is Janet and what does she have to do with all this? Do you and Kim already know each other?

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#27 Consumer Comment

Did you forget to take your medication Brian??

AUTHOR: John - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Saturday, June 25, 2005

Brian, your subjective meanderings are most taxing but I'm waiting for the moment when your wife taps you on the shoulder and says, "Honey, you forgot to take your Loxapac medication this month!" The day will come when you and your alter ego (Dennis) will realize that you are disgorging rubbish. In order to bring this to a conclusion is to go back to the beginning and remember this started with just a simple parking ticket and turned into a fallacious nightmare for those who wish to read this. Go to court, fight that ticket and put down that 'Guide to Innovative Thinking' booklet you have been reading!

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#26 Consumer Comment

brian and dennis couple questions

AUTHOR: Kim - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Saturday, June 25, 2005

Do you both really believe that the police in Warrensburg are going to arrest or assualt you in some way if you go to to this town to fight a traffic ticket?
As for the name calling. I have been to two county fairs and a state fair and think you both too parinoid for my taste, so bye bye.
Oh one last thing Dennis if you realy do beleive that the police are as bad as you say, aren't you worried that Janet is reading all of this and plotting some revenge.

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#25 Author of original report

Response to John and Kim, setting the record straight

AUTHOR: Brian - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Friday, June 24, 2005

John:

I know Dennis would say that I am wasting my time responding to you. Nonetheless, I feel compelled to set the record straight.

I am sorry, sir, if you are having trouble reading and comprehending what I have written here. In the time that I have allowed myself, I have done my best to clearly explain my case. I have neither the time nor the desire to dumb this report down even further for the likes of you. If you really want to understand what is going on here, perhaps you can solicit assistance from a nearby high school student. (Perhaps instead of reading it to you they should read it and then explain it to you.)

There is little to respond to in your post, as much of it is a bit incoherent.

You quoted me then failed to make your point regarding the quote.

You misquoted me (I never used the word interpretating as you imply) and once again failed to make a point.

You claim, Police do not interpret the law, they enforce it. Now I am no legal scholar but this is how I see it. Police do not interpret the law in an official capacity; this responsibility is reserved for the judges. However, police must enforce the law and before they can enforce it, they must understand it so they know what to enforce; this understanding comes from their own interpretation of the law. Ergo police do interpret the law but judges can trump police interpretation.

You asked, Do you always follow the advice of others or do you formulate your own opinions? I am not sure what relevance to the matter at hand this question has here. Nonetheless, I will answer it. I follow the advice of others only when it seems prudent. My criteria for prudence here is more extensive than I have time to detail now. I formulate my own opinions only after a careful consideration of the evidence and facts. However, I am human and therefore prone to error, so my opinions have been known, occasionally, to change.

I have skewed no evidence in this matter as you allege. I have presented all the facts of this case with care and all due diligence to the truth. Anything less would be disingenuous and pointless; why would I want poorly informed and/or biased people to believe me?

I could respond to more of your post, but since the issues you raise have already been addressed, I will waste neither my time nor that of other readers. Instead, I encourage you to read everything here before you post again.

Kim:

I have spent years reading and posting on various internet sites. I know what a troll is. I am no troll. You on the other hand, have made a start. Read, comprehend, and become informed before you post.

I do not share your perspective. I cannot take a chance as you suggest. I have a family. It would be irresponsible of me to go to Warrensburg without reasonable assurance that I would be able to return to my family in a timely manner. If I had no family, spending a night or two in jail, getting roughed up by the local officials, or being killed would simply be the unfortunate cost of my convictions.

As for your $15.00 comment, this issue has already been addressed. Please see the various posts directed towards Paul. In the future, it would be helpful if you would read everything here before you post again.

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#24 Consumer Comment

John is a rambling cop apologist kim doesn't get it plus advice to Brian

AUTHOR: Dennis - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Thursday, June 23, 2005

John give it up man you don't have a clue. Your rambling response is a bunch of babble. Please don't drink and respond on this website. Quit apologizing for the cops they screwed up and you know it. You cop apologists make me sick.

John why don't you answer all the questions that you've been asked? I've noticed you've been ignoring them. Hmmm. That reminds me, why don't you tell your friend and coworker Joey that everyone is waiting for his answer to the same questions that you've ignored.

And John please read before you post. Read it all. Catch up!!! After Brian's first 2 posts, there were 12 others that you skipped (based on what's in your latest comments). A lot of what you said was already dealt with in those 12 posts. Read before you post!!!

John you are proof that even an idiot can use a thesaurus.

By the way, John how's the weather in Warrensburg today?

Kim why don't you read before you post. If its to much to read then don't post. You want the guy to take a chance but you have no idea what kind of chance you're asking him to take. Get real. Read it first.

Brian here's my advice-

Ignore John he's a moron. You've presented your case very well and anyone that's read it **ALL** knows that the cops botched this one really bad.

I told you once and I mean it STAY OUT OF WARRENSBURG. You've made these cops so mad that the chief of police is willing to tamper with the signs just to confuse things even more and make your job of prooving you innocence even harder. If you go to Warrensburg they probably won't know your there until your done with court. But when your done expect intimidation. They may follow you out of town. They may harass you all the way out of town. You'll get a ticket for the slightest thing you do wrong. Yeah this kind of harrassment isn't right, but neither is ticketing you for parking legally or tampering with evidence. There is nothing to stop these thug cops from giving you hell all the way out of town and if you argue or look at them funny just be careful because they would probably love to find an excuse to throw you in jail. I can't tell you enough stay out of that hellhole town.

Be careful what you say about your kin living in that town. Don't think for a second they aren't reading this site. Their public relations people are all over this which might be where John and Joey are from if they're not cops. If you give too much information about your relative, there could be another "unsolved murder" in Warrensburg.

One last thing this page is getting really long and your gonna get a lot of drive by comments from here on out. People like John and Kim are too stupid and lazy to realize that they need to read and consider all the facts before they post. Expect a bunch of knee-jerk reactions from clowns/trolls like them.

Be careful and good luck.

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#23 Author of original report

Signage change was ordered by Chief of Police Bruce Howey

AUTHOR: Brian - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Wednesday, June 22, 2005

I spoke with a gentleman at the Public Works Department this morning. He informed me that Bruce Howey ordered the signage change on this street. However, he also said that he did not know specifically what changes were ordered and/or made. I asked him to provide me with documentation showing who ordered the changes and what changes were made. He said that he would have to speak with a lawyer prior to providing me with this documentation.

I find it revealing of Bruce Howey's character that he stood firmly behind the way the street was signed, but as soon as he learned that the issue was being challenged, he set about to tamper with what could become evidence.

This is shameful behavior for a Chief of Police.

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#22 Consumer Comment

Since you do not want to take advice taker down the road

AUTHOR: Kim - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Tuesday, June 21, 2005

You have become a "troll" give it up or
"get r done". Take a chance in court or pay the fine and move on. You do not seem to have the conviction of your moral out rage. Since all the police and court officals in this town are out to get your $15.00.

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#21 Consumer Comment

Since you do not want to take advice taker down the road

AUTHOR: Kim - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Tuesday, June 21, 2005

You have become a "troll" give it up or
"get r done". Take a chance in court or pay the fine and move on. You do not seem to have the conviction of your moral out rage. Since all the police and court officals in this town are out to get your $15.00.

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#20 Consumer Comment

Since you do not want to take advice taker down the road

AUTHOR: Kim - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Tuesday, June 21, 2005

You have become a "troll" give it up or
"get r done". Take a chance in court or pay the fine and move on. You do not seem to have the conviction of your moral out rage. Since all the police and court officals in this town are out to get your $15.00.

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#19 Author of original report

Signage on Jefferson has been changed!

AUTHOR: Brian - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Tuesday, June 21, 2005

I have been out of town the last few days so until now I have not been able to keep up-to-date with this case.

I talked to my relative (the one in Warrensburg) a few days ago. He just got back from an out of town trip. He called me to let me know that the signage on Jefferson was changed while he was out of town. He noticed the change because he is aware of my case. He says several of the signs (including those on the north side of the street) have been changed from No Parking Anytime to No Parking This Side of Street.

Am I supposed to believe that this is just a coincidence?

Bruce Howey (the Chief of Police there) said that the signage in the area was more than sufficient; why was a change ordered?

In light of this development, my resolve to face the judge has been shaken. If the police will tamper with evidence in this manner, what else will they do to manipulate the court into taking their side.

This does not surprise me a whole lot, but it does disappoint me.

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#18 Consumer Comment

Sounds like the law is on your side

AUTHOR: Timothy - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Friday, June 17, 2005

Brian, it sounds like you've done some good research. And, if you have presented the correct ordinances, it looks like the law is on your side.

I know full well that arguing your case in front of a judge can be about the most intimidating experience imaginable. Just make yourself an outline of your argument, practice it a few times, and bring the outline with you to look to while you're presenting your case.

I would first present the notice ordinances and ask teh judge to take "judicial notice" of them. I would then set out to prove that this strip does not conform to these ordinances. Then you must show how this affects your case: does it incalidate the no parking ordinance? Does it preclude applicability of the ordinance? Just come up with the best, most logically flowing argument you can.

If the law is on your side, and if you can effectively convey that to the judge, then you will find your vindication.

If you would like, you could present your argument here before you go in, I can suggest any changes that should be made. I do this for a living now.

Again, best of luck.

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#17 Consumer Comment

Get off the soapbox! ..police do not interpret the law they enforce it

AUTHOR: John - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Friday, June 17, 2005

Brian, I see that you've managed to get a few people in your sandbox. In your original post you stated, "A cynical acquaintance of ours proclaimed that we had fallen into the midst of a corrupt police shakedown operation". He further stated, "Follow the money. They're all in this to make money".

In your second post you suggested that your safety was in danger and that some of the rebuttals were rigged. In addition, you stated that Chief Howey was interpretating (not a word) the law and that you think the judges in Warrensburg were jaded by him.

First of all the police do not interpret the law they enforce it; a point that is eluding you. Secondly, do you always follow the advice of others or do you formulate your own opinions?

Your evidence of corruption and unfairness is highly skewed and anfractuous and in my opinion you have not substantiated that part of your litany. Regardless, I would follow the advice of Tim (Indiana) and Kim (California) and hope your case is resolved in your favor and remember that a good theorist remains objective!

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#16 Consumer Comment

Get off the soapbox! ..police do not interpret the law they enforce it

AUTHOR: John - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Friday, June 17, 2005

Brian, I see that you've managed to get a few people in your sandbox. In your original post you stated, "A cynical acquaintance of ours proclaimed that we had fallen into the midst of a corrupt police shakedown operation". He further stated, "Follow the money. They're all in this to make money".

In your second post you suggested that your safety was in danger and that some of the rebuttals were rigged. In addition, you stated that Chief Howey was interpretating (not a word) the law and that you think the judges in Warrensburg were jaded by him.

First of all the police do not interpret the law they enforce it; a point that is eluding you. Secondly, do you always follow the advice of others or do you formulate your own opinions?

Your evidence of corruption and unfairness is highly skewed and anfractuous and in my opinion you have not substantiated that part of your litany. Regardless, I would follow the advice of Tim (Indiana) and Kim (California) and hope your case is resolved in your favor and remember that a good theorist remains objective!

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Get off the soapbox! ..police do not interpret the law they enforce it

AUTHOR: John - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Friday, June 17, 2005

Brian, I see that you've managed to get a few people in your sandbox. In your original post you stated, "A cynical acquaintance of ours proclaimed that we had fallen into the midst of a corrupt police shakedown operation". He further stated, "Follow the money. They're all in this to make money".

In your second post you suggested that your safety was in danger and that some of the rebuttals were rigged. In addition, you stated that Chief Howey was interpretating (not a word) the law and that you think the judges in Warrensburg were jaded by him.

First of all the police do not interpret the law they enforce it; a point that is eluding you. Secondly, do you always follow the advice of others or do you formulate your own opinions?

Your evidence of corruption and unfairness is highly skewed and anfractuous and in my opinion you have not substantiated that part of your litany. Regardless, I would follow the advice of Tim (Indiana) and Kim (California) and hope your case is resolved in your favor and remember that a good theorist remains objective!

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Get off the soapbox! ..police do not interpret the law they enforce it

AUTHOR: John - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Friday, June 17, 2005

Brian, I see that you've managed to get a few people in your sandbox. In your original post you stated, "A cynical acquaintance of ours proclaimed that we had fallen into the midst of a corrupt police shakedown operation". He further stated, "Follow the money. They're all in this to make money".

In your second post you suggested that your safety was in danger and that some of the rebuttals were rigged. In addition, you stated that Chief Howey was interpretating (not a word) the law and that you think the judges in Warrensburg were jaded by him.

First of all the police do not interpret the law they enforce it; a point that is eluding you. Secondly, do you always follow the advice of others or do you formulate your own opinions?

Your evidence of corruption and unfairness is highly skewed and anfractuous and in my opinion you have not substantiated that part of your litany. Regardless, I would follow the advice of Tim (Indiana) and Kim (California) and hope your case is resolved in your favor and remember that a good theorist remains objective!

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#13 Consumer Comment

Just a parking ticket?

AUTHOR: Kevin - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Friday, June 17, 2005

Sure, a botched parking ticket is a small incident but what happens if the officer botches a murder investigation and someone innocent goes to jail or someone who is guilty is freed because of tainted evidence? Officers should get it all right the first time no matter how small and insignificant the charges are. The problem? We don't pay the officers like the professionals they are. Thus, recruiting is negiotiated and we end up w/ less qualified candidates and the likes of officer Chase Parkey.

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#12 Consumer Suggestion

Take it to court

AUTHOR: Kim - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Friday, June 17, 2005

May be to late but take this matter to court. I am not up on law in that state but in most you have the right to go before a judge. Take pictures of the area and a video if possible take your chances with the judge. If nothing else maybe they will sign and repaint the area.

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#11 Author of original report

Prosecutor will not help and response to Timothy and Paul

AUTHOR: Brian - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Thursday, June 16, 2005

An officer of the court for the city of Warrensburg called me today to inform me that the prosecutor does not speak to defendants without a lawyer.

Timothy:

Thank you for your informative and encouraging post.

The law regarding this matter in Warrensburg, Missouri must be different than it is in Valparaiso, Indiana.

I have a copy of the parking ordinances for the city of Warrensburg.

Article V. Sec. 23-268.:
Whenever by this Code or any other ordinance of the city any parking time limit is imposed or parking is prohibited on designated streets, it shall be the duty of the city traffic engineer to erect appropriate signs giving notice thereof and no such regulations shall be effective unless such signs are erected and in place at the time of any alleged offense.

Article V. Sec. 23-281.(a):
The city traffic engineer is hereby authorized to determine and designate by proper signs places not exceeding one hundred (100) feet in length in which the stopping, standing or parking of vehicles would create an especially hazardous condition or would cause unusual delay to traffic.

This block of Jefferson is somewhere between 700 and 800 feet long.

The municipal court in Warrensburg has judges but no magistrates.

Thank you for relating your encouraging story; it serves as a reminder that the cause of justice can still prevail even in the company of corruption. Over the last few days, I have been working up the courage to face the judge and put this insane matter behind me.

Paul:

When I posted my it is not about the money comment, I knew I would get a response like yours. Try to fathom though that for SOME people, it is actually NOT about the money. Consider the possibility that SOME of us have more to live for than just money. As I said to you before, this is about the truth.

I must say that I think you are missing the point here. You say that knowing the fine amount will put the whole thing in perspective. The fine amount is NOT RELEVANT! I have run out of ways to say this.

(The fine is $15.00. Now please tell me exactly what I am missing here. How does this dollar figure put the whole thing in perspective? What would your analysis be if the fine were $1.00 or $100.00?)

I would rather send $50.00 to a charity than $15.00 to a police department engaged in extortion.

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#10 Consumer Comment

Who cares how much it was?

AUTHOR: Anthony - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Thursday, June 16, 2005

Paul, who cares if it was $10, $20, $100? The point is it's the principal that matters. The man is accusing police corruption, not "Oh man, I got a ticket." You know, on this site it does say if you're going to make a Consumer SUGGESTION, it needs to be constructive, not bashing.

That brings me to Joey. Again, what's with the bashing? How about this? Nobody cares what you think, Joey! I'm truly sorry, but it's people like this who bash an innocent victim that push me over the edge.

I'd just like to say I wish Brian much luck, and hope he comes out victorious in this whole mess. I've scanned through many an article on this site, and have to say a large number of people actually start complaining or beg for attention/sympathy, but that's not the case here. I, for one, and behind you 100%.

Be safe, and good luck!

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#9 Consumer Comment

OF COURSE it's about the money...

AUTHOR: Paul - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Thursday, June 16, 2005

Rule one is that whenever anyone says it isn't about the money, it IS.

As for the "conspiracy," I am not a cop, I don't know the other guys, and I've been reading this site for over a year and posting occasional rebuttals (run a search on "Home Depot" and "Storm Door" and you'll see.

I'd still like to know what the amount of the ticket is. I think that figure would put the whole thing in perspective.

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#8 Author of original report

Comments and questions for John, Paul, and Joey

AUTHOR: Brian - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Wednesday, June 15, 2005

John:

Yes I am alleging police corruption here and yes, it began as a parking ticket but soon became much more to the point where now, I wonder if it is even safe for me to venture to Warrensburg Missouri for my court date.

As for your other points, I know it is a lot of reading, but read my first two posts (get help if you need it) then respond again.

Paul:

The fine is small and it is not about the money. It is about the truth, which unfortunately seems to be in short supply at the Warrensburg Missouri Police Department. As for your mountain out of a molehill comment, how much corruption would it take for you to consider it a mountain. I believe Dennis had it right when he said that corruption is corruption.

Joey:

First, read my response to John, above. Second, I do not think people care about my parking ticket and I do not expect them to. I do however think that people care about the honesty and integrity of the law enforcement officers in their community. As for me bringing this to the courts instead of www.ripoffreport.com, I will bring my case to the court only if I feel safe in doing so and I would encourage you to learn exactly what this website is about (see http://www.ripoffreport.com/about.asp and http://www.ripoffreport.com/editorial.asp). Read these (get help if you need it) to understand why I am bringing my case to the public.

John, Paul, and Joey:

Dennis has alleged that the three of you are not who you appear to be. He made some salient points. How do you respond to his allegations? Do you have other posts on www.ripoffreport.com or does it just so happen that all three of you registered to rebut the same case within a two-hour timeframe?

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#7 Consumer Comment

Dennis your being silly!

AUTHOR: John - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Wednesday, June 15, 2005

Dennis, your right about the police being human and paradoxically it is the only thing you said that makes sense. I merely suggested that this is not the proper forum for this type of case. I am not the police as your childlike ramblings suggested. As far as the timing of the rebuttals, I have no control over that.

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#6 Consumer Comment

Arguing with the cops was doomed to cause you grief

AUTHOR: Timothy - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Wednesday, June 15, 2005

Why hasn't anybody pointed out the hilarity of a parking enforcer named Parkey?

Brian, it seems that your greatest argument is that the no parking area was not sufficiently designated as such.

It is not the signs that make an area "no parking," it's an ordinance. The signs merely give notice of the ordinance. As such, the officer was well within his authority to issue the ticket: you violated an ordinance. As such, any beef with the police themselves is bound to be futile.

The question of whether there was adequate notice is for a magistrate (regular judges don't waste their time on parking tickets). Your campaign, thus far, has been waged in absolute futility.

I would certainly recommend challenging this in court. I've won a parking ticket dispute before, but my facts were different from yours. I was parked in the lot where I always parked for work, which had never been a restricted parking area, but must have became one the night before. During my work day they put up the signs. I didn't know about this until I got out of work and found a ticket. The icing on the cake was that this was the lot we were told to park in when the made our other lot restricted parking.

I won on that one, but my victory was not based in the law. I won purely on the disgust of the magistrate. You see, the ticket WAS legitimate. The magistrate just couldn't find it in his heart to make me pay it.

The lesson of that tale: go to court, make your case in the best, most coherent way you can, and garner some sympathy.

Good luck!

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#5 Consumer Comment

Info on cops and possible explanation of John Paul and Joey

AUTHOR: Dennis - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Wednesday, June 15, 2005

Brian-

You obviously have a lot to learn about cops.

Most cops are probably good mostly but they're human too. A lot of cops are high on power and some have pretty bad control issues. They don't like to be told they're wrong and they are very stubborn that's why we have judges.

In your case you've managed to P.O. three of them in one town (including the chief- dumb move) and that town may be full of corrupt cops it wouldn't be the first town. Anyway even if the judge would let you off going to that town for your court day may not be safe now because cops always have friends and youd be fighting the good ol boy network of cops.

Don't try it you'll lose and I'm not talking about the parking ticket here- you may not make it home if the town is bad enough.

And as for John Paul and Joey. Hehehe. Most people can probably see this but just in case they can't...... there is strong evidence here that these three guys are cops and maybe even the three you reported or their stooges. Your original comments were dated 6-10 and for 98 hours you got no rebuttals.

Then after 98 hours of nothing, 6-14 you suddenly got 3 rebuttals in 2 hours. Coincidence? Probably not!!!! After you told the chief about this site he probably told the PR people and they had a meeting that got out at 9am and set a coordinated effort to write three responses. Read their comments notice any similarities? I get a real sense that these three guys had coffee and donuts together that morning and talked it over before they got online and responded. Funny really but waaaayyy too obvious!!!

And as for the notion that "its just a parking ticket just move on' and 'corruption over a parking ticket'. Only corrupt cops would see it this way. Corruption is corruption period. If a cop will lie about a parking ticket and get away with it he'll try something bigger in ten years maybe not murder but maybe something like a 10k$ drug money bribe.

I bet you stirred up a real hornets nest in Warrensburg. Stay away and you should be fine.

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Save it for the courts

AUTHOR: Joey - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Tuesday, June 14, 2005

Why are you complaining about a parking ticket on this page? Save that for court, do you think people really care about your parking ticket? If theres a problem, save it for the courts, not ripoffreport.com

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How much is the fine?

AUTHOR: Paul - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Tuesday, June 14, 2005

Brian;

How much money are we talking about here? Your "mountain out of a molehill" construction project seems well underway, but you may wish to cut your losses and get on with your life. If you have one...

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Enough already! police corruption over a parking ticket

AUTHOR: John - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Tuesday, June 14, 2005

You're alleging police corruption over a parking ticket? Give us a break, that it why we have the judicial branch of government for. They have already told you to take it up with the prosecutor so why are you so adamant on harassing the police department? I'm sure their weary of hearing from you. I do not call in to question your claim, but the court system is more apropos for this type of matter. I digress.

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#1 Author of original report

Warrensburg Missouri Police Corruption includes Chase Parkey, Jason Gilber, and Chief of Police Bruce Howey

AUTHOR: Brian - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Monday, June 13, 2005

I am posting this to provide the latest information on this case. There have been several developments.

I have verified that in the 400 block of Jefferson, (1) there are six No Parking Anytime signs on the south side of the street, evenly spaced from one end of the block to the other, (2) there are two No Parking Anytime signs on the north side of the street, one at each extreme of the block, and (3) these are the only signs with regard to parking on either side of the street. I would like to take pictures of the area but my digital camera is currently loaned to a relative for use at a wedding. Furthermore, my just-graduated relative there is not sure that he wants to draw attention to himself by taking pictures for me. I do not blame him.

Shortly after my last post, I called the Warrensburg Police Department and talked to Robin L. (secretary?). She told me that Corporal Jason Gilber is Chase Parkey's immediate supervisor.

I called Mr. Gilber with the expectation that we could discuss the situation. Unfortunately, our discussion, if you can call it that, was, to put it mildly, worthless. I am at a loss of words to describe it better than this. Mr. Gilber was distracted. I could hear a police radio in the background and I could tell he was more interested in what he was hearing from it than me. He even interrupted our conversation once to respond to something that had been said over the radio. (This may be his job, so I cannot fault him for it.) I explained the situation to him in detail. He ignored most of what I said.

Occasionally, I would make a point then he would respond with something largely irrelevant. (For example, I asked him why Mr. Parkey would say that he would not reconsider the ticket because he had been responding to a citizen complaint. Mr. Gilber responded, I'm not officer Parkey. I don't know what he was thinking when he said that. The only thing I can do is assume that he was being empathetic to the situation.

It was graduation and some allowances need to be made but he was responding to a complaint. We get in trouble if we don't follow up on those complaints. Huh? Empathy for whom? Allowances for what?) Despite all this, I still managed to learn a little from Mr. Gilber. He said that in essence, two signs on the north side of the street is equivalent to six signs on the south side of the street. He said that voiding the ticket would be difficult because it was written in response to a citizen complaint. He said that he can't and won't instruct Officer Parkey to void one of his tickets. He finished by suggesting that I call the prosecutors office and plead my case to them.

The next day I called the prosecutors office. The lady that answered the phone told me that all of the prosecutors were out for the day. She took my name, phone number, and ticket information, and said one of the prosecutors would call me back. When and if they do, I'll post again with the results.

As I reflected on my discussion' with Mr. Gilber, I became more and more agitated. I have always had a profound sense of trust and respect for law enforcement and have always seen it as my duty to raise my children teaching them these same values. Now though, I have spoken with two police officers in the city of Warrensburg Missouri who are, by the kindest of descriptions, untrustworthy. Do these men not realize that their conduct reflects poorly on the entire police department in their town, not to mention the whole of law enforcement in this country?! This is disgusting! My children are watching this and I do not like the messages that they are getting from it.

Upon further reflection, I decided that maybe I had reached my hand into the Warrensburg Police Department's basket and by pure dumb (bad) luck managed to grab the only two bad apples that were there. I decided to go up the ladder a little further.

I called the Warrensburg Police Department and asked to speak to the Chief of Police, Bruce Howey. As before, I was hoping for, and even expecting, honesty, respect, and civility. (I guess you could say that I was a bit nave and overly optimistic at this point.) Again, as before, I was sorely let down. Mr. Howey is a real (in a bad way) politician. I was amazed at the bold confidence he exhibited when he lied to me about a number of things. He even has me convinced that he actually believes what he said! I find this incredible because some of his statements are so outlandish that only a lunatic would honestly profess to believe them. (And this man is in a place of power!) You can judge this for yourself though.

Mr. Howey said that a No Parking Anytime sign and a No Parking This Side of Street sign are the same thing!
(I find it hard to believe that this is true in any city in America, even Warrensburg Missouri. The signs are worded differently because the two messages are intended to convey different intent. I would be interested in input from anyone that lives in Warrensburg regarding this: are all No Parking signs in this town No Parking Anytime or do you have No Parking This Side of Street just like every other city?)

Mr. Howey said that one sign, two signs, and six signs all convey the same message and effective range in the span of one block, but then he recanted with some political doublespeak, The posting of one sign per block would be sufficient depending upon the location. (Note that he failed to mention which location; ambiguity is the playground of politicians. So Mr. Howey, which is it: one, two, or six? Are the six signs necessary or were they put there simply because the City of Warrensburg had nothing better to do with taxpayer dollars?)

Mr. Howey said of the six signs on the south side of the street that It does seem like an extreme number of signs but I also know that that area over there is an area that has had a lot of violations from the type of residents that are in there. (I am still trying to figure out exactly how this applies to me. Maybe I happen to be just one of those type of people that he doesn't like.)

Mr. Howey said that he would drive out to look at the area in question then call me back. When he called me back, he restated some of what he had said earlier. He also said what seemed to me to be an assertion that I could go before the judge if I wanted to, but I would be fighting an uphill battle. Unfortunately, he is probably right in this respect. As openly and blatantly corrupt as he appears to be, coupled with the fact that he still has his job, I doubt the judges in Warrensburg are anything but jaded to Mr. Howey's self-serving interpretations of the law. In fact, having posted all of this on www.ripoffreport.com as I have, it would be a miracle if I made it out of town alive and in one piece!

Mr. Howey said that I could either pay the fine or have my day in court. I was disappointed. It had become obvious that he was not going to help me (maybe he was expecting a payoff or something) and having determined this to be my last hope for resolving this issue, I decided that it was an appropriate time for me to inform him that he could keep abreast of developments in this case' by visiting www.ripoffreport.com. He abruptly hung up on me!

At this point, I find myself in a bit of a pickle. As Mr. Howey said, I can either pay the fine or have my day in court. According to the ticket I have, the only way for me to pay the fine is to first plead guilty and since I am not guilty, I will not so plead, so paying the fine is not an option. As for my day in court, I am afraid that I have made this course of action unsafe.

I guess I will soon be a wanted man in Warrensburg Missouri.

I will let this be all for now. I will post again as developments occur.

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