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Complaint Review: Prolympian Coaching - Vancouver British Columbia

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  • Prolympian Coaching 803-2025 Bellevue Avenue Vancouver , British Columbia Canada

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I became a "prolympian PTSD coach" in August of 2016.  I paid my required $997 (on 08-17-16) to Karen Sanbourin <receipts+Yv2tdHLCe2kaTJC6Ctl@stripe.com  for the courses with the understanding that there is a money back guarantee should Prolympian fail to provide the client base to recoup those funds.  Part of your certification process is to recruit "practice clients" once you've completed the training.  I will get to the training in a moment.   I developed my own "practice clients" as the company does not provide them for you.  They only provide actual paying clients (no they don't).   Your practice clients must log into the prolympian web site in order to track their progress and give you credit for your work.   One catch, in September of 2016, the first web site was taken down under the guise that they needed a new one to handle the client load and comply with HIPPA… yah.. that was and still is a LIE.   The money paid to Prolympian, as their website once stated, was not for the training, but to be placed on their directory (more on that later)

 

I will back track for a moment, I am a Master's Degree Counselor/Life Coach.  I know for a fact that NO LIFE COACHING requires HIPPA compliance.  I have also trained with some of the BEST trauma and crisis and PTSD people in the country (USA).  I teach Post Critical Incident Classes and I work as a Critical Incident Stress Debriefer.  As I was going through Karen's classes, I began to realize that something was not right here.  She required that any client going through her PSTD coaching not use any other outside source of care, to include prayer or meditation.   I know, with my training and experience, that removing the spiritual in the healing process for some people is detrimental to their healing process and can actually cause regression in their healing.   That said, this was my first red flag. 

 

The next red flag came when she claimed that she needed over 2000 coaches to handle a Governmental Contract to work with 185,000 families in the area of PTSD.  Everything she and her daughter wrote, painted the picture as though  she was talking seriously with the Department of Veteran Affairs here in the United States, as being a possible vendor of services for the Department.  She and her daughter also told coaching staff that she was working with no less than three insurance companies that would use Prolympian as a contract vendor for PTSD care. All of this turned out to be a pipe dream. 

 

She and her daughter MOVED all communications away from more public social media outlets and forbid anyone from posting their displeasure with Prolympian on their Facebook page.  You see, coaches began to catch on that this was a scam.   So they started their own informational site through Ryver and then a client communications portal through Doxy.me.  All the while, the new web site (after three months) was still inoperable.  They used Ryver and Doxy because they charged next to nothing to operate the chat rooms and storage areas for "training tools".  When we would ask about time lines as far as the new site went, we would get publicaly scolded by admin staff and told not to post "derogatory or disparaging" comments in the public areas of the Ryver site.  Red flags number three and four….

 

After being a "coach" for the company there was no flow of cliental, there were no operating web sites, complaints and resignations from coaches was flowing like water of the Niagara Falls, I decided to resign.  I did not want to be associated with a company that used our Military, Veterans, First responders and trauma sufferers as a toll to con those of us who actually care about them and work with them.   Additionally, like I stated earlier, our names were to be put on an active directory; well, without an active website, our names were not on ANY  directory for the one 12-15 months as agreed upon by contract; which by law, is a BREECH OF CONTRACT.

 

As a background, I am a Veteran, and a Peace Officer.  I work collaterally as a Peer Counselor for Officer involved shootings and critical incidents, I have a B.S in Crisis and Trauma Counseling and an M.A. in Counseling/Life Coaching.  To add, I was once a PTSD sufferer, so when I heard about a program that  would help those that I was trying to help, I jumped on the opportunity to learn more to help more… Once I resigned from the company, I was cut off IMMEDIATELY from all forms of communication with the company.  When I asked for my "guaranteed" refund I was told to basically get in line and that they had one year to refund my monies according to the contract.  Yes…. If they abided by the contract to begin with, I could understand their  issue, but they violated the contract from the beginning.

Stay away from this company!

 

Additionally, I have filed a complaint with the FBI in the US at:

ic3.gov

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#3 UPDATE Employee

Reply To: the Threat of Death that I Received today, July 2, 2022

AUTHOR: Barbara - (United States)

POSTED: Saturday, July 02, 2022

Written by the CEO, Karen Sabourin, MCHT

 

ATTENTION:

ARE YOU AND YOURS READY TO LIVE WITH THE DEATHS OF THE CHILDREN THAT YOU COULD HAVE PREVENTED?

I AM NOT SAYING THIS TO HURT YOU. I AM SAYING IT IN HOPES THAT YOU WILL …STOP…AND LISTEN …. AND HEAR … AND FEEL … WHAT IS REAL. I am saying this to you FOR you and FOR your loved ones!

CARE ABOUT YOU ENOUGH TO SPEND ENOUGH TIME FEELING AND THINKING ABOUT WHAT IT WILL DO TO YOU. Your loved ones, your family, your community, will have to live with what you will do to YOU.

Statistics show that you will hate what you have NOT done to stop these deaths. You will not be able to defend doing nothing to stop other people from THE JUSTIFYING and THE RATIONALIZING rants that allows these deaths to even be possible! How will you explain your process of getting you to numb yourself to the facts of these preventable deaths to your own family and friends? Are you also asking them to ok these deaths?!

Surely you have understood that good people cannot live with it! Good people commit suicide every single day because of it. Soldiers, police persons, nurses, schoolteachers, staff in morgues and cemeteries, church leaders, janitors who clean up the blood, and neighbors who stood by and did NOTHING to prevent the deaths…. die every single day from suicides! 

It is NOT ABOUT WHO DID SOMETHING TO MAKE SOMEONE ELSE MAD ENOUGH TO CAUSE THE OTHER PERSON TO GET MAD! 

It is about when you listen to the wailing grief of their parents. It is about the agony of that will replace your justification of doing NOTHING! It is about your deep love for your loved ones. Especially if you have your OWN CHILDREN!
You will suddenly have to think about every child that is NOT going home tonight.
It is about putting your own children in their beds tonight!!                
The parent in you suddenly gets it!!

The parent in you, the GOOD You…. Is suddenly overwhelmed with the deepest truth of TRUTHS!

You maybe thought that you had thought about it before. BUT now you suddenly realize that you did think about it. The part of you that goes to work. The part of you who votes. The part of you who wants to succeed. The part of you who must make enough money to pay your bills. Yes, you really thought about it as a choice. A “them versus us” choice that you rationalized.  You truly believed that you had thought enough about it! WOW!
ONLY NOW, can you see! and feel! And KNOW!
You are seeing the full picture of the reality of what your choice to do nothing …… has literally ALLOWED to happen to sooo many parents of these dead children! The brothers and sisters, and their friends!!!
SUDDENLY and finally ...The good you is present enough to see these children who have senselessly died! NOW YOU CAN’T STOP thinking about their BODIES, about their EMPTY BEDROOMS, their EMPTY BEDS, their empty yards, EVERY NIGHT FOREVER!

I see clients every single day who literally beg me to save them from themselves. These good people are the ones who don’t want to commit suicide because they know their families don’t deserve to have to live with losing someone who said they truly love their family! I have listened to their grief overwhelming them, every second of every day! I have listened to them saying they didn’t plan to commit suicide, but they just suddenly were doing it. Instead, they rushed to contact me.

HOW MANY DEATHS HAVE YOU CAUSED, ALLOWED, DISMISSED, PERMITTED, DENIED DOING?

How many school shootings have you caused with your CYBERBULLYING? Have you trained your children to think cyberbullying is the “way it is done nowadays?” Have you taught your child to be a bully?

How many bankruptcies have you caused with your CYBERSMEARING? How many meetings with marketing companies have bragged about doing it?
How many of the children of the people that your cybersmearing shamed into committing suicide, have been unable to do nothing after burying their loved one? How many of them end up justifying shooting the classmates who made them hate being themselves? and the teachers that helped with silence?

How many times have you expected your loved ones not to be ok with you using cyberbullying and cybersmearing? What did you think your kids would think when they found out it caused these deaths?

How many co-workers have you thought should approve your “strength” to stand up?
By cybersmearing? By cyberstalking? By you spreading the threat to character assassinations?

AND WHEN YOUR CHILD AN ADULT CHILD, called me today to apologize for what you… their parent did that caused a death, or lots of deaths, … should I react and yell or snub the person? OR SHOULD I RECOGNIZE A PERSON WHO IS PREPARING TO COMMIT SUICIDE because unlike their parent… this good person cannot live with what their parent is doing to myself and my company who saves lives?

TODAY… I sincerely spent 3 hours and 17 minutes with your adult child who had already gotten ready to end their life TODAY for real…. Because of the overwhelming shame this GOOD person feels when you are bragging to so many people online about your bold efforts to try to ruin my business that works every day… to save every child… in every school… in your nation!!! This adult child had counted all of the bodies of all of the children, the teens, the adults, the staff, the teachers, the police and first responders, who you had justified harming!  

TODAY, I carefully asked your adult child to stay alive! I promised your child, to go public today, to break my silence today, about the number of deaths that are happening every single day from cyberbullying, cybersmearing, cyberstalking, and casually “normalizing” school shootings.  Your child finally agreed to stay alive, long enough for me to go public about how many kids are going to grow up and have to deal with their parent killing so many kids by cyberbullying, cybersmearing, cyberstalking, and inciting mob bullying.

I TRULY HOPE THAT YOU ARE LISTENING, AND HEARING WHAT THIS GENERATION HAS DONE TO THEIR OWN FAMILY MEMBERS AND CO-WORKERS. Please do not leave this as our legacy to our children!

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This is how Prolympian Plays

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POSTED: Monday, June 05, 2017

First,

 EMDR has beem c,yniaclly proven to work on PTSD... So, to claim that anyone disputing Karen and Prolympia has anything to do with the pharma companies is ERRONIOUS!

I would not trust this previous rebuttal/response... it sounds like it was written by one of Karen's people.... How do I know?.... The threats of criminal action is what she's been telling me ever since I demanded my REFUND!!! There is nothing criminal about telling the truth about a company that is a total SHAM!!

Prolympian is a SHAM!

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A Much Different Experience of Prolympial International

AUTHOR: Paul - (USA)

POSTED: Monday, June 05, 2017

I'm a Vietnam veteran who joined Prolympian as a coach in October. 2016.  This is NOT to refute other's experience/opinions, etc., but rather to give my personal experience and pass on information I've gained from my having both my experience from using the intervention techniques myself, taking the trainings and reports from my practice clients.

First off, I had serious PTSD after 2 1/2 years in Vietnam, when there was no acknowledgment of or treatment for the condition.  It took the better part of 2 decades of trying to cope on my own, the whole time thinking it was something personal to me, right up to sitting in the window ledge of my 52nd story window, trying to decide which way to jump that would causae the least amount of damage to property and passers-by below.

Prior to using the intervention techniques, I was convinced I'd beaten those demons and on solid footing.  It was NOT the case, as the one thing I hadn't considered (and didn't know until I started the trainings) is that part of the symptoms still lived in my BODY, and no amount of reading or meditating, etc. made any difference because I didn't know WHAT I was trying to remedy!  I was both shocked and very pleasantly surprised at the results from doing the Intervention Techniques.

When I started working with practice clients, even though I made it clear that participation didn't require them to tell me ANYTHING about WHY they were participating, EVERY SINGLE ONE of them shared the most horrendous things that happened to them as children, and how it's impacted their adult lives.  And then as soon as 1 week after doing the Intervention Techniques, and not even consistently I might add, they reported results of being anxiety free, sleeping better (when prior to the interventions, they weren't), fears and memories from the past disappearing to name just a few.

Regarding some of the reports of "rip-off" and "fraud," there has been a massively orchestrated attempt to ensure that Prolympian, Karen, and ANYTHING she or we do to get this intervention process to the marketplace fails, as if we succeed, it will mean the loss of Billions of dollars to the pharmaceutical industry and those psychiatric/psychological practicioners who's livlihood depend on the continuous use of drugs and/or thereapy as a treatment modality.  Included among those detractors are coaches who joined for the sole purposes of ensuring Prolympian's failure and stealing the intellectual property of Promlypian and presenting the Interventions as their own, which could then easily lead to a huge buy-out by the pharmaceutical companies.

Fortunately, most of if not ALL of the perpetrators have been identified and will be criminally charged for the fraud and disinformation THEY initiated and continue to engage in.

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