Prolympian International LLC Karen Sabourin Prolympian International Coaching Scam Internet

We were told that by signing up with Prolympian Coaching (now name has changed to Prolympian International) that we would have access to 82k clients through an assumed military contract.   No recording of Karen's seminars or online workshops were allowed and after 6 months with the potential program I can only tell you that what she says is a "moving target".   She will deny and punitively haze anyone who confronts her about what she says.  

The training was not really training from my point of view (and many other coaches that I spoke with).  It consists of her speaking for several hours on a Saturday morning about how she has helped so many people, how great the program is and if anyone is complaining it is because they "have not done the work on themselves".  

I have considerable experience in hynosis training and I can tell you that her style of emotional manipulation is very consistent with "brainwashing" techniques.   She even boasts in her training seminars how hypnosis works as she was a former stage hypnotist -is to get the audience to really want something or a result and then keep them in a state of confusion.  (by the way not all credible hypnotist do this but it can and does work)

Believe me when i tell you that I have experienced this first hand with Karen's program.  After 6 months of being told the clients are coming and distracting us with website problems, using HiIPPA compliance issues as an excuse and then telling us recently that the organization that she has the contract with wants this, or wants that and we have to do this in order to get that- most coaches are at wicks end.  

Many top leaders close to Karen have resigned due to knowing insider information about the inaccuracies of her statements. She will tell you if she was rebutting to this review that these insiders just haven't resolved their own issues (it's always about everyone else and NOT her!)

Here is a quote that was on the original website that has been taken down.

“Already have a contract in place for our first project that covers nearly 82,000 clients plus their household members and extended family members around the globe.  It is estimated this one contract alone will engage a half of a million clients immediately.  And we already have several other contracts….”  

Other coaches who have resigned are doing so all with the general premise that- The promised start date of August 1, 2016, October 26, 2016 and so many other statements of “we start seeing clients next week”. As of todays date we have yet to see even one client. Some coaches who were close to her even called the supposed client, identified who they were and the client who led the organization to which Prolympian was supposed be contracted with denied any involvement.  To this, Karen rebuttalled "of course the client is not going to say they have a contract when somebody calls them out of the blue.  Would you give out any information about your organization if somebody called you?"  She uses assumptive language to make it seem like if you side with the information that is contrary to what she wants you to believe their must be something wrong with you.  Again, she is skilled at using the powers of persuasion. 

When a group is mass-hypnotized by a desire of the coaches or people getting involved to help so many people for such a worthy cause, it is difficult to find logical reason to not want to believe someone who tells you they have good intentions. 

Most of us that resigned, resigned because we stayed involved for so long without seeing any real clients that the "hope of" seeing them started to diminish and we could no longer put our lives on hold.   Karen stated that she will not offer any refunds as she had put a clause in her sign up material that says coaches will only get a refund if they do not receive monies from clients in the amount equal to what they have paid for signup (minus any payment they would potentially have received from working on clients.)  However, the fact that she has manipulated the facts and not produced evidence of a contract (under the guise that it is for confidentiality) makes this quest to help others a moving target.  It's also a perfect way of not having to disclose the truth or to be able to manipulate the truth.  If i was a single unhappy coaching client then i would just be one dissatisfied consumer and you might be tempted to pass this message by.  However, when top leaders- coaches near Karen who put their heart and soul into this project step down, you have to ask yourself why?

When there is no evidence of an official contract with a group to have access to 82k clients you might want to ask if this is a risk or not that you can bear?  And when there is no recourse to get the investment back you have to ask is that worth your risk?

Lastly,  her marketing materials now talk about "brainsweep" as if this is some magical thing she has been doing for some time.  She told us that the reason that we had all of the delays with the "contract" (what she refers to as the client we supposedly are working for) is because we were missing something- and then she got back from her Rome trip and introduced this new concept of BrainSweep.  Which is nothing more then a visualization technique she came up with.

The last straw for many of us coaches is that Karen told us that repeatedly over the 6 months that we were not doing Mind Work that instead we were working on the Brain.  And if anyone was caught doing hypnosis or mind work we would be "dealt with".  Despite her punitive nature, i think she forgot that some of us are trained therapists and hypnotherapists and we saw right through her distortion of "brain vs mind" work when she introducted a "mind" technique and used that as an excuse for why we did not have any clients coming through to us yet. 

New people will not be able to see what many of us have seen behind the scenes.  If you are a coach or healer and want to help people it is easy to get pulled into this type of organization.  But those of us that have been through the last 6 months and have lost $1000-1500 wanted to post a buyers beware message for you so that at least you hopefully see this and can ask some questions:

1. will i be able to see the contract?

2. if i do not see or receive clients within the first 30 days, can i get my money back?

3. what other expenses will i incurr? 

4. will i be able to interact with other coaches on the Ryver forum?

5.  will I be able to see your official company address 

6. do you like authoritarian style of communication and teaching?  

I hope that this message finds those that are on the fence and don't want to get lured into something base on your own good intentions.  This seemed to be the common ground between all the coaches who have left and have no recourse to get their money back.