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Complaint Review: Red Zone - Redzone International Cydcor Ds Max Innovative Merchant Solutions - Hawthorne New York

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  • Red Zone - Redzone International Cydcor Ds Max Innovative Merchant Solutions 22 Saw Mill River Road South Hawthorne, New York United States of America

Red Zone - Redzone International Cydcor Ds Max Innovative Merchant Solutions Innovative Merchant Solutions questionable, misleading and deceptive business practices, misleading advertising for employment Hawthorne, New York

*Author of original report: Reaction to business owner's response to complaint filed with New York State Attorney General

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In October 2009, I received an email response to my indication of employment interest with Red Zone international, a promotional marketing firm in Hawthorne, NY. Red Zone International represents Innovative Merchant Solutions, an Intuit company and credit card processor for Mastercard/Visa). The opportunity was an Account Executive position. I went in for the interview. I have worked hard throughout my career as a Sr. Product Development Engineer, business owner, teacher, mentor and coach. I was downsized from my engineering job in 2006 after over two decades. Committed to being happily employed and working hard to avoid collecting unemployment benefits, I altered the range of industries that I would consider transitioning to in order to take my career to another level. I believe in hard work and taking action toward one's goals, but not at the expense of people to whom I am serving.

Although the website I was provided was very cryptic and, in hindsight, a pure marketing piece that only loosely characterized the company with which I finally connected, I agreed to receive the training after learning that this Account Exectutive position was 100% commission only for the first two of four phases to reach the account executive position and diametrically opposed to the Careerbuilder.com advertising that described it. The second and final interview day was an exploratory view of the field which involved door-to-door sales of merchant services to small businesses in the surrounding counties. The trainer I was assigned to observe for a full day in the field was a graduate in marketing and was very good in the sales process.

I was on unemployment insurance at that time and agreed to the training although concerned that if I was hired and the opportunity is not a good fit to my background, skills and interest, it could interfere with these benefits while searching for more suitable employment. So, I asked many questions, including compensation and transitioning from unemployment to an income level to support my family's needs. My trainer explained the four phases and compensation levels associated with them over lunch, outlining them on a blank sheet of paper. Why couldn't this be in a pre-printed more readable and understandable form so that I and others have no confusion with the terms and conditions of their business? This is when I learned that phase one was 100% commission-only field sales with a one-time $200.00 training bonus. This bonus would later be denied with an added condition that was never stated on interview day two or at any other time during my training. The stipulation was you must complete 10 full business days in the field alone (without a trainer accompanying you) following five full business days of training plus one day of in-house training. The ONLY requirement for the training bonus as I understood was to complete the five days of field training, one day of in-house training and complete and sign the required paperwork at the end of each training day.

I was hired at the end of the second interview day. My finances were quite fragile at the time due to a recent divorce and loss of income following a layoff. Therefore, I was tentative regarding committment to a sales position which I knew would require hard work in the beginning. Every every 2-3 days, I continued to ask for direction on unemployment insurance. My primary trainer and team leader continued to reply that he was waiting for a response. I waited and waited for this information from Human Resources as well as the business owner and never received any feedback until three weeks into the process when I decided that I had enough of the misleading sales practices I had witnessed from the trainers that I accompanied and was expected to emulate. During my last week, I asked for this information once again and my trainer called human resources directly from his car as we traveled out to the field. The HR manager replied that I should continue to claim unemployment benefits during the training phase which I did. I believe this lack of responsiveness was intentional to lead me along through the process to get me trained and working as another rep without any concern for my financial situation. I also believe that there was no action on my numerous requests for this information until that day - my pleas for help in this area were ignored. The fact that I started near the thanksgiving holiday season, those 2 weeks were interrupted with holiday time off (the office was closed) and therefore I lost a block of contiguous time in training, spanning over several weeks, longer than the time advised to continue collecting unemployment insurance.

In my experience, Red Zone International is a crafty and unethical firm and I would caution anyone seriously considering a promotional marketing firm to run as fast as you can away from Red Zone International. I have nothing against Innovative Merchant Solutions, an Intuit company. I believe these are world classs businesses. But when you have people pretending to be your friend, smiling as though they care (when all they really care about, ultimately, is how their own pockets will be lined), ignore your correspondence when you leave and then stab you in the back as a foe, you learn what they are really made of.

While in training, I witnessed Red Zone International trainers (on behalf of IMF) literally lie and tell businesses that they will have one flat rate for all card types (including rewards and business cards which typically carry higher discount rates and transaction fees) and with my recent training knowledge, I knew that there was no way the business would qualify for the special pricing given their monthly volume and predominance of certain card types. While in the field, I encountered so many irrate IMF customers whose representative sold them equipment they never received and were getting billed for it. Representatives are trained to use the KISS approach (Keep it Short and Simple) and gain the sale by avoiding too many details in the conversation, details that would uncover the rates that the business would actually pay. If these businesses entered into these month-to-month contracts, it would only hurt them and negatively impact their bottom line. I am simply not one that would ever associate my name with a firm that engages in such unethical business practices. The market the contracts as month-to-month, but that benefit is often negated by the unstated machine equipment lease termination fees. Represenatives avoid discussing this fact (even though there is a document that they are required but fail to give to the client) with a KISS to the merchant. When I left the firm to return to my employment and business search, they filed a protest with the Department of Labor, resulting in a denial of unemployment insurance benefits.

If you are on unemployment benefits or want to work in an industry in which you are a valued and respected participant, please consider all aspects of Red Zone International before you join them. They will likely KISS the dialogue with you to bring you on board, so be very careful!

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Reaction to business owner's response to complaint filed with New York State Attorney General

AUTHOR: ascenttelecommunications - (USA)

POSTED: Saturday, June 19, 2010

I had planned to let go of this as I believed the problems with this firm were a result of a culture and practice of doing business a certain way for so long that they became immune to business ethics and the momentum was too great for them to change without drastic action.  Then I saw the response from the President & CEO, (the so-called "leader" of Red Zone International) to my complaint filed with the NY State Attorney General and I realized that he is the source of the problems!  But his response is not surprising at all given that it was he who igonored all my requests for guidance on unemployment insurance during the first two weeks of employment. When I read his response, all of my reasons for filing a ripoff report were justified and more.   

Here is what he had to say:  "I had the chance to work with [him] for a short amount of time; however, in that time he has done nothing but lie." 

First of all, I had no direct contact with this man other than the first day of employment when I finally received the employment forms after waiting a half hour for someone to acknowledge that I had arrived for my first day of work.  I had a question on the standard IRS and employment forms nearly 20 minutes after I began completing them.  He stepped into the lobby area to answer my question.  Other than seeing him during morning atmosphere meetings, that is the only direct contact I had with this man the entire three weeks and for him to make a statement like that is pretty creepy to say the least. 

He then continues to say "In our paperwork it states if the employee is late or absent in first ten days, they will forfeit their bonus.  He was late for the first three days of employment." 

Interesting...what paperwork? Paperwork he failed to give to the employee or paperwork the firm introduced after I left because without it there wasn't an adequate loophole to avoid paying the bonus?  Late the first 3 days?  Not! In fact, I arrived to work before him the first week!  The first day, I arrived at 7:30am and watched some kid pull up in a white Infinity and go into the building.  I did not know who he was until he entered the lobby to answer my question on the form and I only discovered that he simply worked for Red Zone International.  I still didn't know that he owned it.  I learned that fact only during the so-called "morning atmosphere" meeting that brings the various campaign teams together for attitude building and motivational games.  He has know idea who is working for him or who's going and coming.  His own HR manager confirmed that fact when she told the Department of Labor in a phone conversation that "I don't know the dates that he worked from 11/16/09 to 12/05/09.  We have 100 employees and don't keep track of the dates they work.  He was a full-time employee who worked Monday through Friday and as far as I know, he did not take any days off."  Clearly, they don't keep track of the dates OR the times because I was never late to the office and I called in sick one day during the third and final week due to a bad sore throat.  The "leadership" team meets early before 8:00am but the new hires were expected to be in a separate room to begin their activity by 8:15am. No one guided me otherwise, I never received the so-called "paper work" that he referenced and it was a disgrace that no one seemed to know what to do when I arrived for my first day of employment.  One young Indian lady handed me an employment application after I told her I am reporting for my first day of employment.  I chuckled and waited for the next employee who might be able to better help.  I was always at the office by 8:00am.  There was so much attrition through their doors and interviews to replace them that it appears the only thing they do at the office is interview people; they often confuse people with others.  The HR manager also told the Department of Labor that I quit to move to Florida.  I have a family and a home in upstate NY and moving anywhere else was never option and I never spoke of the state of Florida (nor would I have a reason to) so that was apparent confusion with another employee.

The owner then precedes to say "He is trying to maniuplate the system and write slanders against my company in hopes to extort money from me (see attached ripoff report)."  This statement was perhaps the strongest reason that I decided to appeal the Department of Labor's decision that I quit without good cause.  Apparently, the state tends to favor employer testimony even in situations where business ethics are being violated and circumstances are difficult to prove a preponderance of probable cause that the employer acted in ways that were unscrupulous and ways that sabotaged the employees success.  I won't even get into how they switched my territory just after I had three sales staged to close in one territory in my first week solo.  They refused to help me AND changed my territory to the Bronx (where I got sick and had serious concerns for my safety after hearing the testimony of one  employee who was actually mugged while working there). 

At first I thought he was unaware of the problems his company is having in the field and their affect on new hires; then this statement provided clarity that he's the cause of them.  All I wanted from the last day of employment was the $200 training bonus that I had earned according to the rules given to me.  His statement about my being late to work was fabricated solely to support whatever paper work I never received or, at that time, did not exist.  I have since found employment in my prior career path and it will cost me much more than $200 for me to take the time to discuss this at a Department of Labor appeal board hearing, so what incentive is there for me to "extort" $200?  This guy is using a classic psychological defense mechanism of projection, projecting his view of his world, including lies and slanders onto me to make himself appear innocent and ethical.  He then goes on to lie (or believe the lie that my primary trainer team leader must have told him) that the one-page outline on compensation he drafted at the restaurant in Norwalk, CT was not written by him and must have been my own notes.  That's rediculous! I don't have anything near the same handwriting and he does make reference to the training bonus in that document!

His very last statement was probably the most accurate, "I don't know."  My belief is that there are a lot of things he doesn't know about the impact his business is having on the small business community. Any help I can give as an entrepreneur and small business owner myself to guide others in their pursuit to succeed in the worst recession since the Great Depression, avoiding uncessary pitfalls, I am happy to help as I would hope and expect that others would do the same.

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