Report: Professional Marketing Group - PMG Mentors -Private Mentoring Group, Vermotion Secure Gate - Fortius
Category: Internet Marketing Companies
Professional Marketing Group - PMG Mentors - Private Mentoring Group - Vermotion - Secure Gate - Fortius ripoff scam artists target people with credit or cash selling free information available on internet class-action lawsuit pending Provo Utah
*UPDATE ..Rip-off Report Investigation - PMI - Rip-off Report gives PMI a positive rating after Professional Marketing International declared its goal to achieve total customer satisfaction & excellent customer service - PMI claimed & continues to demonstrate its sincere desire to clear up any unresolved matters & safeguard against similar issues in the future. We discovered many complaints filed against PMI were meant for another company with a similar name.
*Consumer Comment ..Wow, All of that
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Provo, Utah, 84604
U.S.A.
Submitted: 12/20/2004 11:03:57 PM
Modified: 8/7/2006 6:45:39 AMLaureen
Windham, New YorkI too have been scammed by PMG! My story is similar to everyone's. After responding to an e-mail about a book from Jay Abramson, I received a phone call from PMG about what they had to offer me. After being laid up for 6 years with a bad back, I was looking to start a business from my home. An internet store seemed to be a viable solution.
After a long discussion with Kato Fakatoumafi, he tried to sign me up for an expensive program, $13000. I refused. Then he came back with a cheaper program. He explained that I would still receive some of the $13000 program benefits. He explained that the website would be mine to do with as I pleased. Therefore, I signed up for the $10000 program on my credit card.
They said they sent me their catalog and starter materials, which I never received. However, my credit card was charged immediately which meant my payment was due immediately but I was using 'Other People's Money' (OPM).
I already had an idea for a website selling figure skating clothing, costumes, accessories, boots, blades, jewelry, harnesses, etc. So I would not be using their suppliers which meant that they would not get a kick back on any sales.
My package was to include the Vermotion web-builder, accounting software, e-zine marketing campaign, banner ads, pop-up ads, business coaching, search engine optimization, guaranteed hits, and their warranty of service. My contract reads, 'The condition of our warranty is based on you keeping your commitments. If after six months from today you have not recouped your initial investment of $10,035.00, we will continue to work with you an additional six months until you have done so.'
Then they gave me the link for the web builder. What they neglected to tell me was that I had to do all the designing and building of the site. I had to get all the contacts for suppliers and negotiate with them. Then I had a phone consultation with Lorin Hardy every week, which I did relgiously. Within 15 weeks, I had built my site. My coach was teaching me from their online tutorial.
What I was not told initally was that all of the help they were providing for a substantial fee for their coaching was all available FREE links to websites that provided the tools I needed. They did not provide any of the help themselves. In fact, I have copies of their online tutorials for anyone interested. If you can read, then you don't need their coaches.
PMG had started taking their hosting fee of $31.95 a month from the inception of the purchase not when the site was actually up and running. I later found out that I could not move the site to another server since their shopping cart only worked on theirs, therefore guaranteeing PMG $31.95 per month.
Then I decided to go with my local bank for my merchant. However, I had unbelievable problems with trying to connect it since PMG was pushing their merchant so they get their kick back. After being persistant with PMG and contact with the proper agency, I got the merchant of my choice, my local bank.
Then it came time for PMG to use Fortius to optimize my site. After six months of e-mails and phone calls, PMG did not live up to their marketing agreement. After spending hours on the phone with Kurt Brady, he offered to switch me to Secure Gate. I turned his offer down and asked for a refund. After Kurt hung up on the phone with me refusing to talk to me anymore, I contacted Devin, an owner of the company supposedly. He offered to give me a refund toward the marketing on the program. So I was refunded half of my initial investment. By now almost a year had past, and I still did NOT recoup my initial investment.
I did not even have an operational website
In the meantime, several months earlier, I had contacted my new marketing people, Netlinkz.net. They marketed and optimized my site to the best of their ability. However, PMG had lied to me telling me that this was a real website with HTML pages, when in fact only a few home pages were static; and the rest were dynamic or created on the fly. Therefore, it would be harder for search engines to pick up the pages since none of them were static.
Then in March of 2004, PMG planned to upgrade the Vermotion system. When they did, my site went down for weeks, then months. After numerous phone calls to them of which they never answered, I then called them non-stop every extension until I reached a live person. They assured me that everything was up and running. However, their website did not reflect that either,
http://smedia.vermotion.com/media/5455/resources/devschedule.htm
All I knew was that no one could place any orders from my site for those 3 months. The shopping cart that I had purchased could not be supported on their new server. Also, once they said it was completed, they took the accounting and tracking software away from me. That was in my contract and was the one thing that helped me to decide on purchasing their product.
Customers e-mailed me saying they could not place orders, size and quantity selection boxes were messed up, orders were processed and lost but charged to their cards, and the list goes on!
After many more phone calls to PMG, they sent me an e-mail to sign, which I REFUSED! However, they sent me another partial refund check. I am not done with them yet. I am now looking for people to join me in a class action suit against PMG. I am not going to settle for their amount.
I want my full refund, as well as the doubling of my initial investment, as well as the cost of hiring someone new to reconstruct and move my website since their shopping cart was NOT compatible with any other server, and the lost sales for the down time, and something for the aggravation they put me through!!! PMG CANNOT change their minds as they go along. We had a contract, which PMG did NOT live up to! I will not let this issue go.
In fact, you would be interested to know that PMG probably purchased credit card information from members now arrested for trafficking over 1.7 million stolen credit card numbers. The hackers were targeting e-commerce sites. When PMG called me, they already knew how much I had available on my credit and how much was in my bank account. My identity was stolen last year and I believe yours might have been too.
No one can make you sign your rights away to sue them. In fact, there was nothing in my contract about any cancellation fee. PMG made up the rules as they went along. Percentages for cancellation vary amongst the people. Costs of the program vary based on how much credit you have available, how easily deceived you may be (if you aren't, they lower the price until you bite), and I can go on if you would like.
My next stop is the FTC and Attorney General. I think with all of my documentation, they will have a field day with PMG. Remember, my identity was stolen because my computer was hacked. PMG, the FBI and Secret Service have caught the hackers and have taken their computers. Eventually, the road will lead to justice. I suggest you turn yourselves in if you had any illegal dealings in securing names and financial information of your targeted victims.
Anyone interested in going to the FTC with me, please contact me by replying to this post. It does not matter that you signed a piece of 'illegal' paper with PMG not to pursue them. I NEVER signed one. Even if you did, you cannot sign your rights away. In fact, you may be entitled to a full refund. Anyone following in my lead is welcome to join in the pursuit of justice.
Laureen
Windham, New York
U.S.A.
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Updates & Rebuttals:
- Response to Laureen's posting Pattie [1/4/2005 10:01:29 AM]
- COMMENT ON PMG, NADN & ORYAN MANAGEMENT Gary [1/6/2005 7:47:27 AM]
- *New Name* PROSPER INC., Prosper Learning, prosperlearning.com, Old Names: pmgmentors.com, pmgicoaching.vermotion.net, pmgtech.com, multiple streams of income, PMI coaching, usight home inc., EPenzio, Russ Dalbey,Hacket Media,John Beck, Robert Allen, PMI Laureen [1/6/2005 8:51:18 PM]
- I too enrolled in the real estate mentoring proram Jean [1/7/2005 12:31:08 AM]
- Response to Laureen's subsequent posting Pattie [1/7/2005 9:28:18 AM]
- To Fudge Packing Peppermint Pattie. Reid [1/7/2005 7:18:45 PM]
- Mike Evans From The Fruadulent John Beck Team Is A Genetically Imbreded Cockroach. Reid [1/7/2005 9:24:15 PM]
- Need advice, please respond! Jean [1/7/2005 9:42:08 PM]
- To Jean. Call your credit card company just as I did and dispute the transaction immediately. Reid [1/8/2005 1:51:13 AM]
- So, Loreen you are not the only one! Gary [1/8/2005 4:51:14 AM]
- Truth is a casualty - blined by anger and frustratation Devin [1/8/2005 3:48:01 PM]
- Carlton Sheets: Sheet for brains. Reid [1/8/2005 6:28:57 PM]
- I am thankful I found this site Jean [1/9/2005 12:43:04 PM]
- This Is Definitely A Scam. Reid [1/9/2005 4:12:10 PM]
- PMI, Robert Allen, auction secrets, auctionsecrets.com, brightbuilder.com, bright builders, foreclosures.com, foreclosures Laureen [1/9/2005 8:02:56 PM]
- Emerald Passport, emeraldbiz.com ..This sounds like PMG all over! Laureen [1/9/2005 8:31:17 PM]
- PMG And Mentoring In General Are All Scams. Reid [1/10/2005 12:26:53 AM]
- I am willing to answer all questions Devin [1/10/2005 6:16:43 PM]
- To Peppermint Pattie: Silly Rabbit Tricks Are For Kids. Reid [1/10/2005 7:09:23 PM]
- Let's Be Very Open. Reid [1/11/2005 1:51:31 AM]
- More Questions For Devin. Reid [1/11/2005 2:09:18 PM]
- All of the above fraudulent activities Mary [1/13/2005 3:44:00 PM]
- EPI, epibiz, power profit system, mentors in motion, passport to millions, wealth and self, cash secrets, all names connected with Emerald Passport New Scam! Laureen [1/13/2005 9:28:35 PM]
- Auctions for Income, NMR, IDI, Auctions 4 Income, Quicksite National Marketing Resources, National Marketing Resources, Iworks, Inc, Virtual Contact Inc, Paynet Merchant Services, Professional Marketing International, the list goes on & on & on & on ... Laureen [1/23/2005 4:27:41 PM]
- There's No Such Business Selling Legitimate Wealth Building Programs. Reid [1/23/2005 11:43:45 PM]
- Infomercials Are Scams. Reid [1/24/2005 2:52:55 PM]
- It seems that I may be “WAKING UP" people to the fact that they too might have been a VICTIM OF IDENTITY THEFT! Laureen [1/24/2005 9:07:45 PM]
- Possible Identity Theft. Reid [1/25/2005 1:40:59 AM]
- Federal Stautes Re Bait Advertising & Deception Anthony [1/27/2005 12:21:40 AM]
- Just A Little John Beck Humour. Reid [1/29/2005 4:45:56 PM]
- John Beck Is A Shameless And Crooked Attorney! Reid [1/30/2005 11:56:30 PM]
- Response to Pattie's (PMG's General Counsel) Response Rebecca [2/9/2005 4:58:29 PM]
- PMG Is Fraudulent! Reid [2/9/2005 10:50:27 PM]
- TIC-TOC TIC-TOC Your time is almost up PMG!!! PCS Professional Consulting Service, Summit Consulting, Mentoring of America, Amazing Profits, National Real Estate Investors Institute, National Training Conference, Netgateway, Inetseminars, etc. etc. etc. Laureen [4/1/2005 9:46:23 PM]
- I'm On To Fraud, Like White On Rice And Flies To $hit! Reid [4/2/2005 5:40:47 PM]
- It's Up To Individuals To Make The Most of Opportunities Arron [4/13/2005 1:40:34 PM]
- Prove Us Wrong Arron! Claims made by these fraudulent Real Estate 'mentoring' companies are UNSUBSTANTIATED. Reid [4/15/2005 5:12:23 AM]
- Shills Are Just Employees That Bend Over For Fraudulent Businesses. Reid [4/15/2005 11:29:09 AM]
- Say Arron, Have You Enrolled Into The Fraudulent John Beck Program Yet? I Cannot Wait To Laugh! Reid [4/16/2005 3:30:42 PM]
- PMG, “you reap what you soe" or is it sow? (Quoting “Arron" or is it Aaron?) Next time PMG, pick a name you can spell!!! Laureen [4/17/2005 6:19:55 AM]
- John Beck's Real Estate Programs Are Fraudulent! Reid [4/19/2005 1:25:04 PM]
- Gee, I Wonder Why John Beck Isn't Practicing Law? LOL. Reid [4/19/2005 7:00:04 PM]
- Come Up With Another Scam Already!! Reid [4/20/2005 12:19:00 AM]
- PMG is such a crock!!! Dawn [4/20/2005 5:45:39 PM]
- What's going on behind the scenes? Roger [4/21/2005 12:51:14 PM]
- We at Prosper believe in being fair and honest Devin [4/21/2005 4:39:53 PM]
- Devin's Rebuttals Are Bull$h!t! Reid [4/22/2005 1:19:44 AM]
- This is in response to Devin's ridiculous rebuttal! You did NOT answer any questions Devin! Are you afraid to put it in writing? Afraid it will be used against you in a court of law? Laureen [4/22/2005 6:16:35 PM]
- Prove Something Devin! Be More Willing! Are You Full Of $h!t? Reid [4/22/2005 11:29:03 PM]
- We At Prosper Believe In Ripping Off As Many People As We Possibly Can! Reid [4/23/2005 3:20:27 AM]
- An Open Discussion With Devin. - WARNING: Disregard any and all rebuttals posted by Devin, along with any and all rebuttals posted by employees of the many fraudulent 'mentoring' companies in question. Reid [4/24/2005 2:32:33 PM]
- Add To The List being 'interviewed' to decide if I was 'qualified' Ken [4/27/2005 2:41:24 PM]
- Here is a novel idea Devin Tom [4/27/2005 7:40:30 PM]
- Press Criminal Charges On The Individual, That's Personally Responsible For Ripping You Off. Reid [4/28/2005 12:15:34 AM]
- LMAO At 'Bend Over Buddy' Arron. Reid [4/28/2005 7:58:11 PM]
- Devin Has Proven What He's Peddling Fraudulent. Reid [4/29/2005 12:57:31 PM]
- Another day, another name same rip-off = American Dream Challange, Inc. and are also doing business as Robert Allen Company, Prosper Learning and Multiple Streams of Income. David [5/3/2005 8:59:41 AM]
- Please clarify relationship between the companies S [6/14/2005 7:15:28 AM]
- Is the Class Acction Law Suit really going in on this one? I'd like to join Bridgett [6/25/2005 10:30:28 AM]
- PMG or Prosper Learning, www.asiincentives.com , SelectYourGifts.com, Yourgiftcards.com, Pat Talerico AMERICAN SALES INDUSTRIES, John Beck.THE PLOT THICKENS REID!!! Laureen [7/3/2005 9:09:07 PM]
- Pattie & the FAA Susan [7/5/2005 4:51:32 AM]
- How do you keep these guys from yanking you around? Bridgett [7/7/2005 4:08:03 PM]
- Rebuttals That Are Not Of Resolvement Are Meaningless. Reid [7/7/2005 6:41:17 PM]
- Washington - Business Opportunity Fraud Act Susan [7/12/2005 10:25:07 PM]
- Code of Federal Regulations - Deceptive Telemarketing and Abusive Telemarketing Susan [7/12/2005 10:40:47 PM]
- Mike Evans Is A Piece Of $h!t. Reid [7/13/2005 11:04:56 PM]
- Do We Have A Deal Mike Evans? Reid [7/17/2005 2:59:29 PM]
- Absolutely Nothing Legitimate About This Program. Reid [7/18/2005 1:38:01 AM]
- Please Stop your whining John [7/19/2005 10:29:48 AM]
- More Whining For John From Wantagh, New York. LOL. Reid [7/19/2005 4:33:50 PM]
- Aaaaaaw, Is My Complaining All Of A Sudden Starting To Bother You Johnny? Reid [7/19/2005 11:49:07 PM]
- Who's The Whiner Here? Reid [7/20/2005 12:01:29 AM]
- I'll stop 'complaining' John, if you'll agree to stop engaging in taboo activities with your relatives. Reid [7/20/2005 3:25:54 PM]
- Operation Firewall, Abel Danger, Domestic Spy Program violates CIVIL RIGHTS!!! Laureen [1/22/2006 5:44:09 PM]
- National Security has been compromised. President Bush needs to step forward to show people that the Domestic Spy Program is a positive tool! Laureen [1/27/2006 9:18:20 AM]
- Maybe some meds? Mary [2/1/2006 2:42:49 AM]
- more info on PMG & how to file a complaint with State of Utah! Roger [3/2/2006 9:36:41 AM]
- Wow, All of that Chuck [8/7/2006 5:51:44 AM]
Response to Laureen's posting
As general counsel for the company in issue, I am surprised to see this posting. A review of Ms. Priputen case with the company shows that she received assistance 32 times. Notwithstanding all of the services provided, Ms. Priputen received a refund of her purchase price less the standard 20% restocking fee. As with any large company, there are times when there will be dissatisfied customers. We take prompt action to resolve customer issues, as was done in this case. There are a number of libelous statements made in this posting and we will be reviewing the same for appropriate legal action.
COMMENT ON PMG, NADN & ORYAN MANAGEMENT
Pattie,
I think that you will save your legal department at PMG a whole lot of time by considering that you read the requisites and that what is posted along with the facts are opinionated criticism and not libelous. If , as you say, this is the 'rare' dissatisfied customer, that you have properly refunded to, then this will be the 'rare' posting on the net.
I do find it interesting that you jumped on this so quickly. It is probably a good move. I ran into this posting researching an old problem with my wife's internet business-gone bad. If you look at reports about NADN & Oryan Management elsewhere on this site you will see how things can snowball with real scams & deceptive practices. You may want to be prepared for some similarities that might tie you to those entities due to crossed web searches. Oddly enough Oryan Management had an individual that was believed to be associated with the mentoring group 'Students In Business, Inc. (SIB)'. That person also had IT background like Mr. Cummuta. Oryan and their 're-sellers', like NADN, sold an internet business that had problems on many levels causing the web based business to not be realistically opperable as a business.
If you see a drastic contrast to the way your organization handles itself vs. my example, you have nothing to worry about do you? Everyone will write off Laureen's report as blowing off (a lot of)steam. It is simple; Good, sound, business
practices will tend to keep you off these pages.
*New Name* PROSPER INC., Prosper Learning, prosperlearning.com, Old Names: pmgmentors.com, pmgicoaching.vermotion.net, pmgtech.com, multiple streams of income, PMI coaching, usight home inc., EPenzio, Russ Dalbey,Hacket Media,John Beck, Robert Allen, PMI
Since my posting, PMG has changed their old technical website everyday. They deleted the bug list page but there are several copies floating around. Then they moved their home page to the news page and replaced the home page with the customer care page. Unknowingly, PMG posted a username and password on this page. I believe it was someone at PMG's website login information. The text was login: skillmaster8421 password: gotcha42. I would like to clarify that and say “GOTCHA". Guess what? That page has been totally deleted from their website! Once again, there are copies of that website page floating around. I also have eyewitnesses (thanks guys!) that saw these pages and have copies of these pages changing everyday.
You would also be interested to know that PMG has once again changed their name. It is now Prosper, Inc. Their new website is http://www.prosperlearning.com. If PMG has nothing to hide, why have they changed their name 3 times in the past year? Why did they change their old tech website, located at http://pmgtech.com/ everyday since I posted my letter when they were “phasing out of that website" and try to delete incriminating evidence?
I would like to thank PMG for posting my last name. Now people can contact me easier. Even though I posted enough information in my complaint to find my website online or my webmasters site and thus my contact information, this makes it easier for people to contact me. If PMG thought that posting my last name would scare me off since my identity was stolen last year, they are WRONG! In fact, I would like to say that my identity is being heavily watched right now. Bad move! In fact, I think that they are now liable for trying to bring harm to me by posting my last name. I have informed my attorney of these new developments.
In addition, I would suggest that PMG carefully reread my post and pay attention to the wording that was used. I never accused them of anything. All I listed was the facts. I have documented proof to back up everything I experienced through that company. In fact, they should read our contract. There is NO “restocking fee". In fact, their e-mail to me said “cancellation fee". Well, guess what? There is NO mention of a cancellation fee in my contract either. In fact, they told me there was no cancellation. They promised to work with me until I made all of my money back and doubled it. Also, I phoned PMG more than 32 times! With all of the problems I was having, they kept passing me to everyone. Here is a short list of names used in e-mails to me.
Allison Murray, Charlotte Petersen, Kurt Brady,
Lorin Hardy, Kevin Mink, Nathan Stoddard,
Dallan, Jayde Koyle, Paul Stoddard,
Dave Mink, Nate Clark, Devin Willis,
Julie, Traci Bird,
A genuine legal council or legal representative would not have posted my last name. Posting my last name shows intent to harm. By the way, according to PMG they do not know this so-called 'Pattie's' last name. She only works on occasion. She only works on Tuesdays and Fridays now supposedly. She has no extension to leave a message. You can leave one with Jeff Merritt to reach her. By reading the other 100's of posts on this site, I noticed that last names and first names were slightly different, like Devin Willis and Devin Williams.
I challenge anyone visiting this report to try to find out who owns PMG. It is very hard to find but I finally did. You will find several names and different addresses all over the place. They have changed their name so many times, that it is hard to keep track of. The reason PMG answers their phone “Corporate Headquarters" may be their way of trying to keep up with all of their many business names. Search this site from the home page and/or on the internet for John Beck, Robert Allen, PMG, EPMG, Energy Professional Marketing Group, Professional Marketing Group, Private Mentoring Group, PMG Mentors, Fortius, Secure Gate, Secure Offer, Vermotion, Prosper, Inc., Prosper Learning, prosperlearning.com,pmgmentors.com, pmgicoaching.vermotion.net, pmgtech.com, multiple streams of income, PMI coaching, usight home inc., EPenzio, Russ Dalbey, Hacket Media, and PMI! There are many more names. The above-mentioned names have the most reports filed against them.
For a supposedly big business, I wonder if they are competent at all. Go to http://mailman.plug.org/pipermail/pluglist/2003-December.txt and read. When I first signed up, they only had 2000 websites they were hosting. The majority of their websites were adult oriented. Most of those sites that were up originally when I started my website, are now down since they upgraded their server and people received partial refunds. Also, go to Google and type in keywords like pmg, complaints, fraud, Utah, Texas, Florida, scams, and any of the above-mentioned names in different combinations and any other states of your choice. Please visit the sites listed below for additional complaints and information on this company:
ist-co.com/edgar1003003.html
foreclosures.com/pages/gurus_to_avoid.asp?gID=51
papersourceonline.com/discus/messages/1649/7326.html?1080346531
vermotion.com--online.com/
As far as the “services" provided, the only services I received from PMG was a BIG HEADACHE and a HUGE HOLE IN MY POCKET! The coaching sessions were done from their online tutorials. If you did your homework and read them, you did not need a coach. I have a fully printed copy of their online tutorial to all the free links available on the internet. The accounting and tracking software was taken away from me. The marketing never happened. The website was down for months. I spent a lot of time spinning my wheels with a worthless website until I had it redone and moved to another server. So what “services" did PMG give me besides fleecing me? As far as giving me a full refund, on the contrary I have yet to receive the balance of my refund.
In fact, if you go to pmgtech.com, the site they were 'phasing out of', you will notice that they had no choice but to abandon their old site since it was not supported by their new server. The same is true of their vermotion.net website.
Changing a name will not hide what they are doing! I will make sure I get all of my money back. My goal is to inform the public about this group of what I believe to be incompetent webhosts looking to phish for innocent people looking to make money by making a smart business investment. Let the people do their own research on the internet and decide for themselves. If I can spare anyone else from going through what I went through, then this post was worth it.
I was blatantly lied to by PMG, they did not provide the services I was promised. My web site could not be found and was down or not working properly from the day it was put up until the day I cancelled with PMG. Ultimately, I lost both time and money. I could have chalked a lot of it up to an education if it were not for all of the crap this company put me through.
I too enrolled in the real estate mentoring proram
I actually talked to a mentor this evening.they have been leaving messages in my mailbox and finally enrolled myself in the course after a long talk to two persons,gave my SIN and credit card number.Then I decided to research more about the compant and found this site.Thank God!I quickly sent an email of cancellation to prosper and before that talked to my credit card company and told them what happened.I just hope I wont have any problems after doing this as they told me they recorded our conversation when i was agreeing to the 'contract'.
Response to Laureen's subsequent posting
'Unknowingly, PMG posted a username and password on this page. I believe it was someone at PMG's website login information. The text was login: skillmaster8421 password: gotcha42. I would like to clarify that and say “GOTCHA". ' This was not a PMG site. It is associated with IST, an independent company. Issues there should be addressed to them.
This poster seems to confuse PMG with IST. Please read all edgar postings with respect to the relationship between those two parties for a correct understanding.
'majority of their websites were adult oriented. ' This is a false statement.
To Fudge Packing Peppermint Pattie.
Hey there Everyone,
I hope that my open discussion with Pattie finds each and everyone of you in good spirits and health.
PATTIE: Response to Laureen's posting.
As general counsel for the company in issue, I am surprised to see this posting. A review of Ms. Priputen case with the company shows that she received assistance 32 times.
REID: I don't care if Ms. Priputen received assistance 1000 times! PMG like ALL the other so called 'mentoring' scams never live up to any of their fraudulent claims.
Why are you surprised Pattie? PMG is a scam! If PMG or any of the other 'mentoring' programs were real, you imbreeds would be participating in them yourselves, as opposed to selling the programs.
You would definitely not be considered an 'employee' as you are now, but instead a knowlegable 'business owner'.
PATTIE: Notwithstanding all of the services provided, Ms. Priputen received a refund of her purchase price less the standard 20% restocking fee. As with any large company, there are times when there will be dissatisfied customers. We take prompt action to resolve customer issues, as was done in this case. There are a number of libelous statements made in this posting and we will be reviewing the same for appropriate legal action.
REID: What the f%ck is the 'restocking' fee for anyway? Just pure profits for PMG.
I have a better idea... upon receiving returns from dissatisfied customers, instead of restocking the trash, throw the f%ck!ng thing in the rubbish can.
What the f%ck is 'general counsel?' Do you mean legal counsel? Are you attempting to intimidate people, by giving them a false impression that you are an attorney?
The truth is an absolute defense against any and all accusations regarding slander and or libel. If you were an attorney, you would know this.
Before accusing someone of libel, please state for the record Peppermint Pattie, exactly which part of Laureen's true experience you felt were libelous.
Laureen's posting sounds like nothing more than someones story to me. Please point out specific parts of Laureen's experience, which you consider erroneous and which you also feel may have been posted to intentionally damage PMG's reputation.
You are absolutely correct when stating 'As with any large company, there are times when there will be dissatisfied customers. We take prompt action to resolve customer issues, as was done in this case'.
If this statement were true, this situation would have been resolved a long time ago. You Peppermint Patty, along with your fraudulent PMG, would have definitily been willing and able to resolve this matter in the public eye, instead of hiding behind hired 'hit men' attorneys in a feeble attempt to intimidate the public.
PMG is without a doubt a scam. If you want to be ridiculous and assist in proving me right behind 'closed doors', I challenge you to contact me. I'll even allow you to pick the time and place, where we may go public and finally bring this 'mentoring' scam to a rest.
I leave it up to you shill Peppermint Pattie, to explain to all the con artists why they must once and for all come forward and PROVE, that they have truly not stolen millions from unsuspecting victims. BRING IT THE F%CK ON!
I'm sure the entire state of Utah would be proud of you Pattie, for attempting to tackle a lawsuit, which you have absolutely ZERO chance of winning.
It's about time someone from the so called 'mentoring' scam is willing to go public. After all, what does PMG have to lose, but the thousands of dollars, which they have scammed many out of?
People are getting sick and tired of false threats made by the many fraudulent 'mentoring' programs.
Until next time, take care Everyone cause I care, Aloha from Hawaii and God Bless.
P.S. I have started a new 'mentoring' program where for a fee (amount of 'available credit' on your credit card) I will 'mentor' you to make Peppermint Patties.
Please bare in mind, that I am selling bags of gold using fraudulent sales pitches and bogus claims, but only intend on actually delivering bags of $h!t.
Also bare in mind, that I have constructed my contract with much fine print and clauses, which would literally guarantee, that I end up with your hard earned dollars, regardless of whether or not I live up to my end of the deal.
Last but not least, bare in mind, that I have hired 'hit men' attornies waiting in the wing, just in case someone attempts to report my shaddy and fraudulent business practice, which I am unable to explain to the contrary in a public forum.
Contact me and have your credit card handy. LMAO at Peppermint Pattie.
Mike Evans From The Fruadulent John Beck Team Is A Genetically Imbreded Cockroach.
Hey there Laureen,
I hope that this rebuttal finds you in good spirits and health.
PMG, along with EVERY business claiming to be offering 'mentoring' are scams. Businesses, 'gurus', Real Estate experts, etc, etc, would have nothing to gain by sharing their strategies to complete strangers.
There is no such thing as businesses for hire, which 'mentors' total strangers to wealth. It flat out makes no sense for any business to teach strangers to acquire wealth.
EXAMPLE: Mike Evans (boy who more than likely engages in sexual intercourse with members of his own family) from the fraudulent John Beck Mentoring Institute claimed, that my coach would 'mentor' me to $10,000.00-$15,000.00 a month.
This f%ck!ng retard charged me $6,400.00, which just so happened to be the amount of 'available credit' on my credit card. I clearly told this genetic imbreed on numerous ocassions, NOT to waste my time.
But this fool really wanted my money and would stop at nothing to get it. He sent me one of his company's fraudulent contract, which was a total joke. A kindergardener could have drafted a better contract.
I went through about 4-5 of 12 scheduled sessions with my so called coach, while receiving absolutely no pertinent information as agreed upon regarding tax leins, how to obtain them, and how to profit in the process.
The information which I did receive could be sumed up in less than one paragraph. Intructions on how to get to about 2-3 websites and a suggestion to seek any and all tax related information at H&R BLOCK.
Cockroach Mike Evans should consider himself a very lucky person, that I'm a very patient person with a relatively good sense of humor.
Once I caught on to the JOKE (scam), all I asked for was a refund. Maggot Mike Evans threatened to sue me, even though it was the fraudulent company in which he works, that breached the agreement.
The fraudulent John Beck Mentoring Institute insisted on dragging on my credit card dispute, even though they could not provide any pertinent items, that could prove my dispute to the contrary.
This experience has truly ruined my life. My mother have recently passed away, and being that I had $6,400.00 unecessarily tied up, could not provide for her, and carry out plans which I have set fourth for her final days.
What I can do however, and will continue to do is warn the naive public, that 'mentoring' programs regarding wealth building does not exist and probably never will.
Once again, successful people would have nothing to gain by 'mentoring' total strangers to use their successful wealth building strategies. These con artists make their money by peddling fraudulent 'programs' via PAID magazine advertisements, PAID Infomercials, etc, etc.
Until next time, take care Laureen along with Everyone else cause I care, Aloha from Hawaii and God Bless.
Need advice, please respond!
For those of you who signed up for pgm mentoring who cancelled enrollment/involvement afterwards,did you have to send a letter or an email is enough?
I am sure they will not be able to charge my credit card bec.I called them right away(cr.card company)and told me that they will cancel my card so that prosper will not be able to get any money from my card.
I am just curious on what is going to happen in the next few days?
they havent answered my email yet and do i have to cancel the class i signed in for monday too?
sorry,i am a newbie with regards to scams so an answer will be much appreciated.thank you.
To Jean. Call your credit card company just as I did and dispute the transaction immediately.
Hey there Jean,
I hope that this rebuttal finds you in good spirits and health.
Call your credit card company just as I did and dispute the transaction immediately. Any business claiming to be interested in 'mentoring' you to success is definitely a scam.
NO ONE and I do mean NO ONE, would ever agree to 'mentor' complete strangers to success, especially when the cost of the program is far less than the program's earning potential, which in the case of fraudulent 'mentoring' just happens to be directly proportional to ones 'available credit'.
Disregard any and all programs and biz ops featured in magazines, Infomercials, newspaper classifieds, etc, etc, that require a fee of ANY sort. Their ALL scams!
Why should anyone pay any business to be involved with said company? Would you pay Sears to be included on their company payroll?
ANY and ALL businesses which profit from the sales of fees, programs, 'information' are scams in that they are profiting from the very people who would turn the company a profit, had the business only been legitimate and lucrative.
Mentoring like envelope stuffing, sounds good in theory, thus allows fraudulent businesses to use fairy tale scripts, fraudulent sales pitches and whatever else means necessary to trap unsuspecting victims into contracts, that are heavily filled with clauses.
Think of 'mentoring' program as fraudulent lure and trap schemes, because that is exactly what they are. Scams in which a fraudulent third party marketing company sells unsuspecting victims bags of gold, while delivering bags of $h!t.
Until next time, take care Jean cause I definitely do care, Aloha from Hawaii and God Bless.
So, Loreen you are not the only one!
Pattie,
I thought Loreen was the only one, well it looks like you have a problem. If those you represent are not taking care of things at base level you will see more of these postings on line. I guarentee that when you take their money and push people too far, any legal threats have no meaning to them. You also run the risk of waking up people that may be unaware of similar problems that they may have that parellel Loreen's. Please tell me, what has all the elements of a scam but is not a scam?
Truth is a casualty - blined by anger and frustratation
It seems most of the people that posted here
are not out to report facts, but rather their stories that are blined by anger and frustratation at perhaps a company or a person or themselves that are driving them attack blindly and if the truth is a casualty
To most of them, trashing the truth is o.k if it jusifies the means. I have no doubt that people here are hurting and upset, but it is hurting innocent parties in the process.
An example is Reid. He has never delt with our company and yet attacks us. How does this help any one ? It does not. I cannot believe that was the goal of Ed Magedson, when he developed this website.
I want to address the following to Laureen:
Laureen,
I want to cover some of the points in the information that you posted.
Laureen-I contacted Devin, an owner of the company supposedly. He offered to give me a refund toward the marketing on the program. So I was refunded half of my initial investment.
*I have always been clear what my role in this company has been for the last three years, I have been the Customer Care (now Student care) Manager.
*We refunded you all of your money minus 20% for coaching services. You received Five extra coaching session to help you make up two session
you failed to show up for with your coach.
(If you sign a discoulsure doucument. I can post all the coaching notes with dates and times)
Laureen- go to Google and type in keywords like pmg, complaints, fraud, Utah, Texas, Florida, scams, and any of the above-mentioned names in different combinations and any other states of your choice. Please visit the sites listed below for additional complaints and information on this company:
ist-co.com/edgar1003003.html
foreclosures.com/pages/gurus_to_avoid.asp?gID=51
papersourceonline.com/discus/messages/1649/7326.html?1080346531
vermotion.com--online.com/
*O.K This is a fair request: Google search
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=PMG&btnG=Go
ogle+Search (Nothing negitve)
ist-co.com/edgar1003003.html- Please read the full report. There is nothing negitive about PMG
foreclosures.com/pages/gurus_to_avoid.asp?gID=51
*When asked if they felt the stories on the website was true they pointed to the Disclaimer on the website :
'..The personal experiences listed on this page are the experiences of users unfamiliar to foreclosures.com. Foreclosures.com has no way to verify the validity of these claims and you the decision maker should take the hearsay nature of these statements into account when reading them...'
*To use this link as a way to prove our company is some how treating people wrongly is intellectually dishonest of you. Foreclosures.com will not even valid the stories as truth.
papersourceonline.com/discus/messages/1649/7326.html?1080346531
* I think this is a great resourse it has pros and cons of the program. I encourge all to read all the posts. Here is an example of a post that is on papersourceonline.com:
'...BBB,
It seems you always focus on the negative. Is your glass half empty or half full? Mine's half full and I'm working to fill it further.
Complainers like yourself are usually good at stating problems in such an accusing manner that it is hard to sort out the true problems from the complaints. Complainers tend to blame others when something goes wrong. They feel powerless to fix the things they complain about. They rely on others to fix things because this allows them to believe that they are free of faults. This seems to be the way you are comming off on the place...'
vermotion.com--online.com/-
*This redirects to http://www.prosperlearning.com/
Laureen- A genuine legal council or legal representative would not have posted my last name. Posting my last name shows intent to harm. By the way, according to PMG they do not know this so-called 'Pattie's' last name. She only works on occasion. She only works on Tuesdays and Fridays now supposedly. She has no extension to leave a message. You can leave one with Jeff Merritt to reach her.
* Laureen,- Pattie is Prosper's Legal Counsel. To contact her all you needed to do is contact me and I could have helped you. I know you have my contact information, but in case you do not have it :
Devin Willis
Student Care Manager
Phone 800-748-5199 Ext 4056
Fax 801-374-2358
Home e-mail devin.willis@comcast.net
Work email devin@pmgmentors.com
It is our goal to help people and I am sorry to see that it did not work for Laureen.
I do have the opportunity to talk with our students every day and see the success stories. We really care about our sudents and care about their success.
It hurts me personally to read the things that have been written here. Especially when I know many of them to be false, and that is why I am taking time to respond. I and everyone I work with take seriously the following commitments http://www.prosperlearning.com/aboutUs.htm
I am a success story myself , I guess that is why this is why I feel bad that it did not work out for Laureen. I am using the same site and system and am VERY happy. My site is www.selfdefeseeducation.com
I want to end this post with a promise to all We will do what is fair and honest. I truly feel we did what was fair and honest in this case with Laureen. And I wish Her the best in life.
Please feel free to contact me at home or work I plan on being here hith this company for a very long time:
Devin Willis
Student Care Manager
Phone 800-748-5199 Ext 4056
Fax 801-374-2358
Home e-mail devin.willis@comcast.net
Work email devin@pmgmentors.com
Carlton Sheets: Sheet for brains.
Hey there Jean,
I hope that this rebuttal finds you in good spirits and health.
Contact your credit card issuer immediately and dispute the charges. John Beck's Free and Clear program is dfinitely a scam just like ALL the other 'money generating' programs being shoveld via PAID infomercial.
Unfortunately, there's no such business or person, that is selling information with the earning potential so often fraudulently claimed, otherwise it would make no sense for anyone to market the information to total strangers.
LIST OF SCAMS:
1. John Beck's Free and Clear Program/Amazing Profits/Mentoring: Sickly looking, decrepid, con artist/attorney peddling a fraudulent 'mentoring' program.
2. Carlton Sheets: Sheet for brains.
3. Dean Graziossi: Faggot who claimed to have made her fortune by purchasing and selling used automobiles, then later claimed to have made her fortune by using the same strategies that John Beck used.
4. Envelope stuffing: We now have machines that could stuff envelopes at a much faster rate than 15-20 humans could.
5. ANY & ALL individuals and or businesses, that claim to be selling the service of 'mentoring'. Successful people have absolutely nothing to gain by sharing their wealth building strategies to total strangers.
6. ANY & ALL businesses, that charge a FEE of any sort, which exceeds cost of materials required to successfully profit. If a business truly were legitimate, it would not attempt to profit from the sales of enrollements, but rather establish a pool of 'business owners.'
7. Internet Treasure Chest/SMC/Don Lapre: If any of these programs were so great, these donkeys would be doing the program themselves as opposed to peddling the know how to total strangers.
Until next time, take care Everyone cause I care, Aloha from Hawaii and God Bless.
P.S. If you have other programs, that you'd like to list, please feel free to do so.
I am thankful I found this site
Thank you for the advices you guys have given me,I will always bear that in mind.I guess I was just one of those innocent people who are yearning to have a better financial status in order to fulfill my simple dreams in life and turned to the internet to search for these opportunities.Good for those people who are saying that they benefited thru these mentoring programs but for myself and for those people who had the same experience on how they were lured by those guys into enrolling into the course it was indeed a bad experience or a nightmare.It was not just one but many complaints about this mentoring program which is enough for me to believe that this program should be avoided by people looking for honest opportunities that will improve their lives.A big red flag!It is now a habit for me to check this site to find out which is scammish or not.
By the way,I've been researching about emerald passport and havent found anything against it.anybody????Have a good day everybody!
This Is Definitely A Scam.
Hey there Everyone,
I hope that this rebuttal finds you in good spirits and health.
DEVIN: It seems most of the people that posted here are not out to report facts, but rather their stories that are blined by anger and frustratation at perhaps a company or a person or themselves that are driving them attack blindly and if the truth is a casualty
REID: Devin, you like the many other people involved with scams, are doing nothing to PROVE any reports erroneous or to the contrary. The company in which you work is without a doubt fraudulent and the program in which you are peddling is without a doubt a scam.
You Devin, are a joke, in that your rebuttal does not point out any facts as to why Laureen's posting or anyones posting for that matter are not genuine.
Laureen's posting is obviously her genuine experience and you have provided absolutely NADA PROOF that contridicts her experience and prove it otherwise.
DEVIN: To most of them, trashing the truth is o.k if it jusifies the means. I have no doubt that people here are hurting and upset, but it is hurting innocent parties in the process.
REID: The only innocent parties in this case are Laureen and the many other victims of your fraudulent buisness practices.
DEVIN: An example is Reid. He has never delt with our company and yet attacks us. How does this help any one ? It does not. I cannot believe that was the goal of Ed Magedson, when he developed this website.
REID: Of course it was the goal of Ed Magedson, when he developed this website! What are you, STUPID?
You are correct Devin in stating that I have never delt with your company, but I have been duped by another fraudulent company named the John Beck Mentoring Institute, and I've heard all the many fraudulent sales pitches before, such as 'OPM', 'Success Stories', etc, etc.
It's very safe to assume, that any and all companies that use these fairy tale words while attempting to peddle their programs are scams.
Devin,,, please do me a favor and answer these few very simple questions. Something every legitimate business would have been willing to do a long time ago.
1. Why the hell would any business be willing to set people up in their own 'businesses', as opposed to setting up the so called 'businesses' themselves and reaping the profits?
2. Why are you the student care manager of a fraudulent company, instead of participating in the very scam you're shoveling?
I have many more questions and will post them here at a later time. Question number two is really the only question necessary to PROVE that 'mentoring' programs and ALL 'business in a box' programs are bogus.
DEVIN: I want to address the following to Laureen:
Laureen,
I want to cover some of the points in the information that you posted.
Laureen-I contacted Devin, an owner of the company supposedly. He offered to give me a refund toward the marketing on the program. So I was refunded half of my initial investment.
*I have always been clear what my role in this company has been for the last three years, I have been the Customer Care (now Student care) Manager.
*We refunded you all of your money minus 20% for coaching services. You received Five extra coaching session to help you make up two session
you failed to show up for with your coach.
(If you sign a discoulsure doucument. I can post all the coaching notes with dates and times)
Laureen- go to Google and type in keywords like pmg, complaints, fraud, Utah, Texas, Florida, scams, and any of the above-mentioned names in different combinations and any other states of your choice. Please visit the sites listed below for additional complaints and information on this company:
ist-co.com/edgar1003003.html
foreclosures.com/pages/gurus_to_avoid.asp?gID=51
papersourceonline.com/discus/messages/1649/7326.html?1080346531
vermotion.com--online.com/
*O.K This is a fair request: Google search
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=PMG&btnG=Go
ogle+Search (Nothing negitve)
ist-co.com/edgar1003003.html- Please read the full report. There is nothing negitive about PMG
foreclosures.com/pages/gurus_to_avoid.asp?gID=51
*When asked if they felt the stories on the website was true they pointed to the Disclaimer on the website :
'..The personal experiences listed on this page are the experiences of users unfamiliar to foreclosures.com. Foreclosures.com has no way to verify the validity of these claims and you the decision maker should take the hearsay nature of these statements into account when reading them...'
REID: Funny you should post this Devin, with the intent of smearing Laureen's campaign to bring out the truth regarding your fraudulent company. Let us not forget that Foreclosures.com's disclaimer pertains to yourself as well. LMAO.
DEVIN: *To use this link as a way to prove our company is some how treating people wrongly is intellectually dishonest of you. Foreclosures.com will not even valid the stories as truth.
REID: DISHONEST? LMAO at Devin! This is the perhaps the most severe scenario of the pot calling the kettle black.
How the f%ck could you Devin, even consider suggesting that Laureen's posting is intellectually dishonest, when you haven't even provided an ounce of proof, which PROVES Laureen's posting harmful, erroneous or to the contrary.
DEVIN: papersourceonline.com/discus/messages/1649/7326.html?1080346531
* I think this is a great resourse it has pros and cons of the program. I encourge all to read all the posts. Here is an example of a post that is on papersourceonline.com:
'...BBB,
It seems you always focus on the negative. Is your glass half empty or half full? Mine's half full and I'm working to fill it further.
Complainers like yourself are usually good at stating problems in such an accusing manner that it is hard to sort out the true problems from the complaints. Complainers tend to blame others when something goes wrong. They feel powerless to fix the things they complain about. They rely on others to fix things because this allows them to believe that they are free of faults. This seems to be the way you are comming off on the place...'
REID: Con artists like yourself are usually good at tellling stories while shoveling $h!t. Con artists like yourself cannot sort out the true problems, because their programs itself are the true problems.
Con artists tend to always turn the blame onto the consumers and ultimately attempt to use signed contracts as weapons to obligate and bind their victims into paying for sevices which have not been delivered according to the agreement.
They feel powerless to PROVE the worthiness of what they're selling and why it is they are employees of con firms and not actively particiating in the program themselves.
DEVIN: vermotion.com--online.com/-
*This redirects to http://www.prosperlearning.com/
Laureen- A genuine legal council or legal representative would not have posted my last name. Posting my last name shows intent to harm. By the way, according to PMG they do not know this so-called 'Pattie's' last name. She only works on occasion. She only works on Tuesdays and Fridays now supposedly. She has no extension to leave a message. You can leave one with Jeff Merritt to reach her.
* Laureen,- Pattie is Prosper's Legal Counsel. To contact her all you needed to do is contact me and I could have helped you. I know you have my contact information, but in case you do not have it :
Devin Willis
Student Care Manager
Phone 800-748-5199 Ext 4056
Fax 801-374-2358
Home e-mail devin.willis@comcast.net
Work email devin@pmgmentors.com
It is our goal to help people and I am sorry to see that it did not work for Laureen.
REID: How many other people has your program failed to help?
DEVIN: I do have the opportunity to talk with our students every day and see the success stories. We really care about our sudents and care about their success.
REID: Really? Could you in some way furnish PROOF of this. the simple fact of life, is when someone is able to prove something, their usually very willing to do so.
PAID Infomercials, Magazine advertisements, PAID Better Business Bureau memberships, literally mean nothing and does not PROVE squat regarding the legitimacy of a particular business.
DEVIN: It hurts me personally to read the things that have been written here. Especially when I know many of them to be false, and that is why I am taking time to respond. I and everyone I work with take seriously the following commitments http://www.prosperlearning.com/aboutUs.htm
REID: Once again, exactly which parts of Laureen's posting can you PROVE are false? You have posted a very long and ridiculous rebuttal, which PROVES absolutely nothing regarding what it is your're compaining about.
DEVIN: I am a success story myself , I guess that is why this is why I feel bad that it did not work out for Laureen. I am using the same site and system and am VERY happy. My site is www.selfdefeseeducation.com
REID: SURE YOU ARE! That is why I suppose you feel compelled to 'mentor' total strangers to use your wealth building strategies. LMAO at this putz.
If you're a success story Devin, why are you still working? WE ALL BELIEVE YOU DEVIN!
DEVIN: I want to end this post with a promise to all We will do what is fair and honest. I truly feel we did what was fair and honest in this case with Laureen. And I wish Her the best in life.
REID: Wanna be fair an honest? Simply quit your job, because the business of ripping people off is not fair and honest.
DEVIN: Please feel free to contact me at home or work I plan on being here hith this company for a very long time:
Devin Willis
Student Care Manager/'success story' LMAO
Phone 800-748-5199 Ext 4056
Fax 801-374-2358
Home e-mail devin.willis@comcast.net
Work email devin@pmgmentors.com
Until next time, take care Everyone cause I care, Aloha from Hawaii and God Bless.
P.S. The only thing that could PROVE a businesses legitimacy is FULL DISCLOSURE and a company's willingness to come forward in the public eye with ABSOLUTE PROOF. Simple enough for any business to do, if it were truly legitimate.
PMI, Robert Allen, auction secrets, auctionsecrets.com, brightbuilder.com, bright builders, foreclosures.com, foreclosures
I would like to start by saying that the majority of what I posted is fact. I have documentation to back up all the facts listed in the above posts as well as the ones listed below.
Fact 1:
A program was sold to me be based on my “available credit limit"
Fact 2:
I never received my initial packet of goods and a tape recording of my “verbal contract". I do not know if anyone has received that.
Fact 3:
The online tutorial and coaching was a list of all the free links on the internet.
Fact 4:
They provided me with a website that only worked on Vermotion, PMG's system.
Fact 5:
I had trouble setting up my merchant account with my local bank. They will verify that.
Fact 6:
PMG lied to me by telling me that the website was HTML when in fact it was dynamic. My webmaster was privy to that conversation.
Fact 7:
The Fortius Group never optimized or marketed my website even after months of trying to contact them by phone and e-mail.
Fact 8:
According to your edgar postings, the advice PMG received for the upgrade of the server FAILED. Note the dates of the postings were prior to the upgrade of the server. In fact, my shopping cart and website could not be supported on the new server. Records of other users or client's websites and the web pages that PMG removed substantiate this. My site was down for 3 months. In fact, I moved my domain and had to have the website rebuilt. Even after I did this, my account was continuing to be billed the $31.95 hosting fee for 4 months even though I no longer had my site with PMG or Vermotion. I eventually had to close my bank account to stop the charges. My bank statements verify this.
Fact 9:
PMG started changing their old website by removing the “bug list", which listed all the problems people were having with their websites that were on the previous server and would not function on their new server as well as other pages. PMG's phones rang off the hook, which no one ever answered during this time-period. People sent hundreds or thousands of e-mails trying to find out what was going on. Then PMG had the problem that new clients would not sign up when they saw the list of bugs with their site. Next, PMG had to create a new site for the new server for their new clients thus “phasing out" of the existing website. Copies of the previous web pages that PMG removed from their old site have been copied and saved for future reference.
Fact 10:
PMG has changed their name once again. It was Professional Marketing Group then Private Mentoring Group, now Prosper, Inc. It is obvious that pmgmentors.com is now prosperlearning.com. Then you can type pmgmentors.com into your browser. The redirected site will be prosperlearning.com.
Fact 11:
PMG posted my name! If PMG thought that posting my last name would scare me off since my identity was stolen last year, they are WRONG! In fact, I would like to say that my identity is being “heavily" watched right now. Bad move! In fact, I think that they are now liable for trying to bring harm to me by posting my last name. If you do not believe me, read the above.
Fact 12:
My contract has no mention of a “restocking fee" or “cancellation fee" or now a “coaching fee". I have the contract.
Fact 13:
Pattie identified herself as “general counsel" not “legal counsel" as Devin says. She will not even come forward to talk to me by identifying her full name and contact information, but she was terribly quick to post my identity out there. Now Devin is responding to me. What happened to Pattie? Does she even exist? I think not. Read the above posts to verify.
Fact 14:
I found PMG's program to be very limiting. Everything that is included in their product or package is owned by them. Then you run into the problem of trying to move it elsewhere. There seems to be much better deals out there. Most of what you are supplied with can be found on the internet for no charge. In addition, hosting costs are usually cheaper anywhere else, like $5-$10 per month. There are shopping carts out there that will work on just about any server. If you have a problem with your site and need to move it to another server, in a matter of a few minutes your site is back up and open for business. You can also purchase upgrades for the website to customize it for you. This includes gift certificate option, promotional code option, accounting/tax option and others.
Fact 15:
Then I ran into the problem that PMG's server was NOT SECURE. Anyone could view everyone's personal credit card information from the back end of the Vermotion system; that is anyone who works for them. In addition, when my computer was hacked, the hackers could view everyone's information right from my own computer screen since I could view it all. It was a good thing I discovered the hack before the store went live! On a secure site, you can only see the last 4 digits of the card, no expiration date, a transaction number, the date and the amount. At that point, even if your computer was hacked, no one would be able to see anyone's credit card information. That secures the purchasers personal and financial information. Only the merchant themselves can see all of the information; full account information, number, and expiration date. Two ways to know that a site is secure is to look for the little “lock" icon and the web address starts with https, s=secure.
The reason I went with my local bank as my merchant is that I wanted to know who was handling my money. After I thought about it, I did not like PMG seeing my accounting software for the business on their server. It is not a good practice to post your financial information anywhere on the internet or on a server. The program I have now transfers order information right into Quickbooks or Peachtree and for a fraction of the price. Therefore, my host does not see any of my expenses or actual checkbook as they did on Vermotion. Therefore, they cannot see the bottom line or anything going on in any other bank accounts.
Fact 16:
My initial “bait" came from the purchase of an e-book, “Multiple Streams of Income". It was after this purchase that PMG contacted me. I would like to know how PMG got my e-mail address since I did not sign up for anything until after I received their e-mail. The “switch" came when PMG phoned me. My credit card receipt and initial e-mail prove this.
Pattie of PMG: “As general counsel for the company in issue, I am surprised to see this posting. A review of Ms. Priputen case with the company shows that she received assistance 32 times. Notwithstanding all of the services provided, Ms. Priputen received a refund of her purchase price less the standard 20% restocking fee. As with any large company, there are times when there will be dissatisfied customers. We take prompt action to resolve customer issues, as was done in this case. There are a number of libelous statements made in this posting and we will be reviewing the same for appropriate legal action."
Laureen: I really wish PMG would get their story straight. In the above post, Pattie said that I “received a refund of her purchase price less the standard 20% restocking fee." Now Devin is saying, “We refunded you all of your money minus 20% for 'coaching services'. You received Five extra coaching session to help you make up two session you failed to show up for with your coach." Just for the record, I never missed a coaching session. There was only one session that I had to reschedule and one that Lorin Hardy, the coach rescheduled due to scheduling conflicts, which occurred a few days in advance of the scheduled time. I did not receive an extra five coaching sessions! Besides, why would you give me 5 more sessions if I missed 2? Also, get your story straight PMG. Was it a 20% restocking fee or 20% coaching services or 20% cancellation fee as per my e-mail? Some people received a full refund, some less a 10% cancellation fee, some 15%, 20% and so on. Others received a full refund less a “restocking fee" or “coaching fee". None of these fees are even mentioned in my written contract. Therefore, I have not received a full refund. In fact, since I had to have my site rebuilt and moved, PMG is responsible for all of my time that I put into their useless site, for the construction of the new site, as well as all of the hosting fees, interest payments on my credit card, and any out-of-pocket expenses related to this venture. Therefore, I am still awaiting a full refund. Something for all the aggravation would be nice too. I will not hold my breath.
PMG: “It seems most of the people that posted here are not out to report facts, but rather their stories that are blined by anger and frustratation at perhaps a company or a person or themselves that are driving them attack blindly and if the truth is a casualty" (Notice that blinded and frustration are spelled wrong). (I wonder who is blinded and frustrated.)
Laureen: The fact is, all I reported was facts! They did get one thing right. I am angry. Angry that PMG has taken advantage of many people. I did not like being “blown-off" especially after I spent so much money on this program. The only people PMG cares about is themselves and their pocketbook! Since this posting as well as numerous others, PMG is losing some business. Now they are going to respond to me in a “nice" way after they attacked me and threatened me? They should have thought about what they were going to say before they threatened me. Bad move! If they had listened to me in the beginning, I would not have had to push the matter this far.
I find it odd that no one has posted anything on the internet about being “turned down" by PMG. Perhaps, that is because PMG knows your credit and bank history before they contact you. They do not waste any time calling people who do not have the money. I know in my case, they knew how much “available credit" I had since their first offer of $13000 happened to be all that I had available on that card.
Also, Devin, if your website is so successful, why are you still working for PMG? I think you should get the website off the ground quick just in case PMG, now Prosper, Inc. goes under. As a side note, if pmg in a google search does not bring back anything negative try pmgmentors or any other combination of names and try reading the first 10 pages and try other terms as I suggested in a previous post. You might be surprised how many negative reports are out there about all your “entities".
I think the people working for PMG better go back to school. Their grammar and language is not befitting for a “big" company. In addition, Pattie needs to go back t

















