Team Of Destiny AKA TEAM Just another Amway CULT Grand Blanc Michigan

First off, after reading soooo many statements about how TEAM is Amway, and with Quixtar and such, I just felt I had to take a stand and simply state:

TEAM IS NO LONGER ASSOCIATED WITH QUIXTAR/ALTICOR, AND IS NOT, NEVER WAS, AND NEVER WILL BE AMWAY!!!

The founders of Team (the Davids so-to-speak) had been fighting a losing battle with these (Goliath) corporations to lower their prices on everyday goods, only to get a rejection every time. So, IN THE INTEREST OF THEIR "EMPLOYEES", the founders decided it was unfair, UNJUST, and immoral to do what the big companies we WERE affiliated with were doing and resigned from business with them.

Secondly, in the matter of addressing all the cult accusations. Yes, I will be honest in the fact that many members of Team are religious. HOWEVER, those that are don't push their religion on others for the sake of Team. What I've learned and experienced fist-hand from members, and especially at the GREAT seminars, is a level of self questioning. Not being convinced that I'm a bad person, but rather, "Am I living a life of self-fulfillment in a way that's honorable and helpful to others as well?"
"Am I a person of good character, morals, and even better integrity in all the things I do and choices I make?"
That is about as far as any relation to religion goes.
Now, correct me if I'm wrong, but even if you AREN'T religious, shouldn't you be following and/or asking yourself these things daily? Is it so hard, or is it a bad thing to take those principles to heart and live in this way?

It's quite amusing to hear everyone say that this is a scam, yet it's been proven to work over and over again, especially to GOOD people that are personal friends and family members. It's not a business of selling books and tapes and seminars. It's a business of PEOPLE. I find it even more amusing when you say that it's a scam based on the fact you HAVE to buy all these books and tapes and seminar tickets.
First, you don't HAVE to buy any of them.
Secondly, IF you do purchase them, as well as all your fellow Teammates, the revenue all that generates... get distributed right back out to the very people who just spent that money.
Thirdly, most if not all of the books and tapes offer a message. A message of how to be a better person, a better leader in your life. So you get what you pay for. It's not just an investment that you have to buy in order for your business to grow.

Also, the leaders of Team, Orrin Woodward and Chris Brady, I guess you could say (I'll look at this from your point of view for a second) don't NEED any more money than what they already have. You believe that the whole reason they are here is for their own profit and greed right?
Then tell me why they would care enough about the people they are associated with to completely cut off their income for about half a year only to benefit the people that hold so much faith and trust in them?
Why would they, after writing a book that is now #1 on Wallstreet's Business Best-Sellers List, take 100% of the profit from that book and give it directly to charity?
Just because you have your own notions and opinions about someone or something, does not instantaneoulsy make truth and fact about that person or thing based on your opinion.

Another point I would like to point out is that someone said that the Team's product's are over-priced. Uuuhhhhh... What products? Our leadership books? Our CDs? No. We don't have "products". We don't sell those over-priced products you're referring to. Those were Quixtar's. Alticor's. Amway's. Etc.

And lastly...

critic
noun
1. a person who tends TOO READLIY to make captious, trivial, or harsh judgments; a FAULTFINDER.
2. a person who judges, evaluates, or analyzes literary or artistic works, dramatic or musical performances, or the like, esp. for a newspaper or magazine.
The "critic" that was said earlier refers to the faultfinders. The people that always do this, especially too readliy, almost hardly ever get recognition, except by alike people with the same personalities.
Now, for the sake of arguement, I will say this: Those people in history that were mentioned, I will agree in some way they were critics.
HOWEVER.
They not only believed in WHAT WAS RIGHT, but they rose above JUST BEING A CRITIC and decided to TAKE A STAND, BECOME A TRUE LEADER, and they FOUGHT FOR WHAT THEY BELIEVED IN. They didn't just sit around and complain and have bad things to say. (CRITIZISM) They actually took action for their beliefs.
And that is why we recognize them too.
That is why we do what we do.
We have a dream. A vision. A goal. A thought of a better life in an uncertain future. We believe that we can meet new people, gain experience and good knowledge, practice the right habits and apply great integrity into what we do.
We believe that by having good character, and great personalities, we can change life for the better, make a profit by doing so, and have fun all at the same time.
Are we wrong in thinking we can do this?

Like I said before,
T.OGETHER
E.veryone
A.chieves
M.ore


I wish you all the best of luck in everything you do.
Sincerely,
Mike Swan
Proud IBO

(P.S. I don't know if this correlates or matters much, but for the record, I'm only 18.)

Jeremiah, you seem to have a clear head on your shoulders, and I imagine that your mental abilities will soon awake you to the reality of this scam. I wanted to get that point out of the way before I proceed, because your rebuttal was far more thought out than most Amway/Quixtar/TEAM defenses.

With that aside, I'm going to extend an invitation that I have extended countless times, to countless other MLM supporters on ROR: to all the TEAM supporters who have posted on this report, come back in six months and tell us how things are going.

As I stated before, I've extended this invitation countless times. And you know what? NOBODY has ever come back and stated that they are still with the organization and that things are going well. In fact, only two or three people have ever actually come back with their follow-up, and ALL of them stated that, after a certain amount of time, they realized that they were being scammed.

So pony up, people. I would especially like to hear from Sherri, as her rebuttal is over a year old.

The bottom lines about Quixtar et. al. are as follows:

1) The products are grossly over-priced. I conducted a price comparison of 25 random items sold through Quixtar and its partner sites with the same or similar products sold at my local supermarket (which itself is usually more expensive than Wal-Mart). I found that, on price alone, products purchased through Quixtar cost 30% more than their supermarket counterparts. When you add in the cost of shipping, it goes up to about a 35-40% difference.

2) The commission structure is fatally flawed and doesn't allow for any meaningful level of income for any level of IBO. In fact, if you are "lucky" enough to build a few levels of "downlines," you will find that virtually ALL of your commissions are eaten up by the bloated commission structure. This is why the more "successful" IBOs turn to selling "tools" rather than actually operating as IBOs.

3) The online shopping system is NOT more convenient than a trip to your local supermarket, unless you live in the middle of nowhere and it's a long drive to the store. In fact, when doing my price comparison, it took 1.5 hours to find all the items on my "shopping list" through Quixtar's site, and 45 minutes to drive to the store, find all the items, and get back home. Furthermore, I couldn't find several of the items I was looking for on Quixtar's site. So even assuming that I would take advantage of the online shopping system, I would STILL have to make a trip to the store for many items.

4) Direct marketing is NOT the future of retail. In fact, d**k DeVos and Jay VanAndel formed the precursor to Amway over 50 years ago, and many other MLMs have sprouted since then. Given over half a century of operation, the direct selling industry has failed to corner so much as 1% of the retail market.

5) The real business of Amway/Quixtar/etc. is "selling dreams." The stellar uplines make their money by selling bogus motivational materials and conducting brainwashing seminars.

I have recently become a member of TEAM. I am still researching how I feel about it I also though agree with some of the information they pass on. I feel that the meetings and such are a giant pep rally where I could be using my time to Show plans what they refer to trying to get people in the business. My feeling about this business is that I need to get more people to be loyal shoppers through Quixtar.

While I don't necessarily buy in to the continuous pep rally week after week, it does help you keep a focus on trying to build your business. It only makes sense to buy products online from the comfort of your own home as long as you price compare. For example Walmart is not the low price on everything but it is on alot of things. Why not shop online and earn a rebate back on purchases. As you recruit more people to join the TEAM you will reap more of a benefit by the volume they will generate. So in essence from what i understand I should be able to make money once I have more IBO's under me. After reading this website I will need to see if I am only going to make REAL money on tickets and propoganda products.

This business model only makes sense in our quicker and faster society why not order certain products such as cereal, snacks, bathroom items, cleaning supplies, office supplies... etc from your own home. This can be daunting if you have children because you have to pack them up as well as unpack them after every trip (not literally).

I feel there are several good points on this website but my current thinking is that this business can work. I too have the feeling it is CULTish but I have dedicated more time in personal growth in the last month reading books that are from outside the business. Even if I don't become independently wealthy I am still growing from this business. My relationship with my wife has improved as well as my ability to relate to other people. I am taking this business at my pace I am not feeling any pressure to attend every meeting or seminar. I am taking two nights a week and if after two years I can make a passive income of only $150 dollars a month and quit recruiting. I will gladly take that extra money and use it to improve my current way of living.

I have recently become a member of TEAM. I am still researching how I feel about it I also though agree with some of the information they pass on. I feel that the meetings and such are a giant pep rally where I could be using my time to Show plans what they refer to trying to get people in the business. My feeling about this business is that I need to get more people to be loyal shoppers through Quixtar.

While I don't necessarily buy in to the continuous pep rally week after week, it does help you keep a focus on trying to build your business. It only makes sense to buy products online from the comfort of your own home as long as you price compare. For example Walmart is not the low price on everything but it is on alot of things. Why not shop online and earn a rebate back on purchases. As you recruit more people to join the TEAM you will reap more of a benefit by the volume they will generate. So in essence from what i understand I should be able to make money once I have more IBO's under me. After reading this website I will need to see if I am only going to make REAL money on tickets and propoganda products.

This business model only makes sense in our quicker and faster society why not order certain products such as cereal, snacks, bathroom items, cleaning supplies, office supplies... etc from your own home. This can be daunting if you have children because you have to pack them up as well as unpack them after every trip (not literally).

I feel there are several good points on this website but my current thinking is that this business can work. I too have the feeling it is CULTish but I have dedicated more time in personal growth in the last month reading books that are from outside the business. Even if I don't become independently wealthy I am still growing from this business. My relationship with my wife has improved as well as my ability to relate to other people. I am taking this business at my pace I am not feeling any pressure to attend every meeting or seminar. I am taking two nights a week and if after two years I can make a passive income of only $150 dollars a month and quit recruiting. I will gladly take that extra money and use it to improve my current way of living.

I have recently become a member of TEAM. I am still researching how I feel about it I also though agree with some of the information they pass on. I feel that the meetings and such are a giant pep rally where I could be using my time to Show plans what they refer to trying to get people in the business. My feeling about this business is that I need to get more people to be loyal shoppers through Quixtar.

While I don't necessarily buy in to the continuous pep rally week after week, it does help you keep a focus on trying to build your business. It only makes sense to buy products online from the comfort of your own home as long as you price compare. For example Walmart is not the low price on everything but it is on alot of things. Why not shop online and earn a rebate back on purchases. As you recruit more people to join the TEAM you will reap more of a benefit by the volume they will generate. So in essence from what i understand I should be able to make money once I have more IBO's under me. After reading this website I will need to see if I am only going to make REAL money on tickets and propoganda products.

This business model only makes sense in our quicker and faster society why not order certain products such as cereal, snacks, bathroom items, cleaning supplies, office supplies... etc from your own home. This can be daunting if you have children because you have to pack them up as well as unpack them after every trip (not literally).

I feel there are several good points on this website but my current thinking is that this business can work. I too have the feeling it is CULTish but I have dedicated more time in personal growth in the last month reading books that are from outside the business. Even if I don't become independently wealthy I am still growing from this business. My relationship with my wife has improved as well as my ability to relate to other people. I am taking this business at my pace I am not feeling any pressure to attend every meeting or seminar. I am taking two nights a week and if after two years I can make a passive income of only $150 dollars a month and quit recruiting. I will gladly take that extra money and use it to improve my current way of living.

I just have a few comments on the things I've read.....first of all - no one has pushed their religion on me. I have not been asked to become a certain denomination or join a certain church, etc, etc.

To everyone who has said that TEAM members don't let you know all the facts, I'm sorry for your experience. Every question I had was answered fully - and I had quite a few. As for not being able to see the Quixtar website before signing up - I was given a "guest" sign in and password so I was able to see what products were available before joining.

In regards to the ordering of products through Quixtar.....I don't order everything I use through the website. I am a single mother and I price things before I buy them. The things that I buy are comparable in price to what I would spend at my local grocery store or Walmart. I buy what I want when I want - there isn't anyone telling me to order and more or less.

I also believe I will get out of this business what I put into it. If I sit back and do nothing and expect to get rich - that's crazy. I don't miss any of my family functions to attend any TEAM events. I work the business at my own time and pace - and no one pressures me to do any differently.

I don't think this business is for everybody - to each their own. I just wanted to share that my experience hasn't been like some of the comments I've read.

Ok, first of all, I am not a member of the Team of Destiny. However, I was dating a guy who was part of TOD and he made me come to all of the meetings. So I have the insider perspective.

What initially alerted me as to the possibility of TOD being a cult, is that it has a religious preference. They try to turn everyone in the TEAM to a Lutheran. I am not a Christian, and they did not take kindly to that.

They spent so much time trying to make me become Lutheran (made me watch the Passion of the Christ, talked about how I would go to hell if I didn't agree with them, etc). Eventually, my boyfriend broke up with me because the TOD would not let him have a non-christian girlfriend (he said in not so many words).

Now, I have a degree in Business and Economics, so I reviewed all of their lovely propaganda. It is incorrect. They lie to the non-intelligent people and convince them that what they say is right because they are rich. Essentially "hey, we're rich, you can be rich too if you do everything we tell you to do."

This so-called "business" will fail. I've studied similar instances that have occurred in other countries, and everyone will end up poor in the end, with the exception of the top leaders (they are stealing your money). My advice is to run away as fast as possible, change your phone number, change your address. Get away, stay away, don't join this cult.

The reason humans have cognitive abilities is that we have the ability to analyze, and ASK questions....I agree with Victors brillant post, in that people are brain washed into believing everything that their Upline has told them without looking into the facts first, researching it, and then asking questions!!

I have had first hand experience with people who are in the business, and I am a skeptic so I research, analyze, educate myself and then start asking a whole mess of questions. You will find that they will deflect your questions with their "ingrained verses"....it is scary the cult like mentality that exist in the TEAM/TOD business... Check the facts!! "IBO's who are trying to recruite you will tell you this is not Amway...

Check out this link: amway.com/en/BusOpp/business-profile-10065.aspx at the bottom it clearly states, Quixtar sister company -- this is a link, Parent company Alticor....THEY ARE ALL RELATED!!!

I would also suggest that you review the Dateline episode aired a few years ago regarding Quixtar: video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-215989802739458876

Why did Quixtar not make a Public rebuttle to Dateline directly? Why is the TOD/TEAM website so inaccessable???? If I want to review products that I want to potentially buy why do I have to become a member to do so? ALL OTHER valid companies with consumer products have websites for you to explore...they WANT you to be informed about their product.....please be leary about joining this affiliation without doing your research, I would hate to see someone work so hard, spend so much of their money to loose so much, but in the process be told "that they didn't want it enough", "that they weren't man enough" to make a go of the business....

Why are IBO's trying to recruite you into the "business" if the product was so valuable, in such DEMAND!, wouldn't they be trying to sell you a product!! and not a concept?

Think about this for a moment, if TOD/TEAM/AMAY/QUIXTAR whatever you want to call it...if their products were so terrific, if the business was the answer to every person's money woes....then why is half our population getting out of bed every morning to go to work? If the prodcuts were in such high demand why wouldn't they team with Walmart for mass-consumer appeal? As much as many may hate Walmart, it has been proven time and time again that partnering with them will ensure mass consumtion of your product! Period! Companies flock to Walmart on a daily basis to get their products in those stores!

At least consider every option, with the thousands of people who are "working" the business why is there a lack of "Diamonds, Emeralds (again all Amway terms!!) in existance? If the system works so sufficiently, within 1-2yrs you can be financially free then why are there not more? ASK for documentation of this...my favorite saying, and it applies in all situations...Get it in writing first!! Then we'll see...however, the TOD own PAPERWORK!! in the fine print states that most IBO's earn on average $80-$100 a month. BE SMART, ASK QUESTIONS and then make your own decisions, but seriously people if you can't get someone to give you clear answers, if you can't get it in writing why would you allow yourself to walk so blindly into the "business" without the proof!

I can just as easily tell you I have the best marketing idea, a proven Money Maker...and all you have to do is send me $25.00 and I'll share the information....would you do it without asking more questions??? Probably not!...and if so..well then, heck I should have done this a long time ago!

If you want further information about the TOD/TEAM in Michigan check out www.allgrace.com as I have found that all the "BIG WIGS" attend this church (I don't knock religion) but those in this area who have become affliated with the TEAM have since changed/or flocked to his particular church.

Thanks for reading ~~

TEAM and Quixtar are "recently" connected. TEAM provides the selling and motivational tools that Quixtar now uses. You probably won't find them connected unless you actually talk in person to a Quixtar member.

Now, two quick comments in response to the few Quixtar fans above.

Quixtar is NOT the future of the retail industry. I say this not as a retailer, but as a repesentative of a world-wide manufacturing and distribution company. Logistics of distribution aside, is everyone really going to join Quixtar just so they can shop online?
Not likely.

Hey there. My name is Jessica. My husband is thinking seriously about getting into a business called TEAM, the site is the-team.biz . I did a search for the company on here or the names of the people involved and came to this article. I was just wondering if it is the same company as the other two mentioned here(Amway, Quixtar), if it is, then how can you prove that? I did see Team mentioned somewhere through these comments, so I researched on my own and I can not find the names Chris Brady or Orrin Woodward or Team, anyway associated with the two businesses mentioned above. Please help, I would like any information you have on Team or the two men I just mentioned. Thanks so much!

Jessica

Victor, I haven't been the faithful reader of Ripoff Reports I usually am, so if you've posted elsewhere, I guess I haven't come across it yet.

But wow, with this rebuttal, AWESOME JOB!!! It was a great rebuttal, and wonderful examples of the Critics to whom homage IS PAID.

Thanks for the wonderful examples, ALONE, not to mention everything else!

There has never been a monument erected to a critic.

Okay this statement must have come from one of your motivational tapes because I hear it over and over again from IBOs. The purpose of this statement is a brainwashing technique to keep you, the IBO, from questioning and being critical of anything your upline says. This statement is just plain false! Have you ever heard of Martin Luther King Jr? He was a vocal critic of the policies of the federal government of that time. How about George Washington? He was a critic of the policies of the British government that was ruling over the colonies in America. How about Abraham Lincoln? Very critical of the policies of slavery, so much so that he abolished it. I was at Gettysburg PA a few weeks ago, there are over 2000 monuments there, both for the Union troops and the Confederacy. The Virginia monument is a statue of Robert E. Lee on his horse overlooking the battlefield where Pickets Charge took place. It's a very moving monument for a man who was a critic of the policies of the time, incorrectly so as history dictated, but a critic non-the less.

Lets see, How about Winston Churchill, a strong critic of the British Prime Minister Neville Chamberlain's policies regarding n**i Germany. Who's got more monuments in England.. the critic Churchill or the non-critic Chamberlain?

How about
Rosa Parks - Critical of discrimination against African Americans on buses
Oskar Schindler Critical of n**i policy, Saved 1200 jews that worked in his factory during n**i rule
Mohandas Gandhi - Critical of British Rule over India, helped India in getting it's independence
Ronald Regan Critical of the Soviet Union,so much so that he helped bring it down

It's critics that change the world, maybe if enough people criticize the fact that Diamonds make most of their money off the backs of IBOs via motivational tools and seminars things will change. How about a BV/PV based tool system run by the Quixtar organization that is fair for all? Oh wait, The Diamonds don't want that, they'll lose their main source of income.

These are just some of the brainwashing statements that IBOs here over and over again
There has never been a monument erected for a critic'
It takes a real man to make it in this business'
It is obvious that some people do not have the mental toughness to build their own business
JOB stands for Just Over Broke
A real man wouldn't let his wife work
It takes guts to build this business
blah.. blah.. blah


The truth about a Quixtar distributorship is that the big money made is on motivational tools and seminars. This fact is kept from the new distributor, which to me is deception. There are only two ways you will be able to retire comfortably using this business.
1) Receive most of your income from the motivational tool profit and seminars on a regular basis
2) Retail large amounts of merchandise on a regular basis

I have yet to read about anyone doing this based on #2. So keep the deception going, keep recruiting new wanna be diamonds under you and hopefully you'll be retired on the backs of your thousands of distributors below you losing money.

Ok. First off, Quixtar is not Amway. They are however based off of the same thing, Multi-level marketing, and direct sales. Yes they are both owned by Alticore. The have rights to the same products. No one is arguing these points, so lets just drop them shall we?

As for Donald Trump ect. They were not talking about Quixtar/Amway. They said that a business model involving private franchising was one to get into.

There is nothing wrong with being a Job person. You said it yourself, you have a great retirement. Not everyone gets into business for retirement, some only want a supplament to their income, and most of them get it.

Now lets return to the topic of Team of Destiny or whatever they call themselves these days. I do think that their products are overpriced. there are other ways to make it in business without TEAM.

Ok. First off, Quixtar is not Amway. They are however based off of the same thing, Multi-level marketing, and direct sales. Yes they are both owned by Alticore. The have rights to the same products. No one is arguing these points, so lets just drop them shall we?

As for Donald Trump ect. They were not talking about Quixtar/Amway. They said that a business model involving private franchising was one to get into.

There is nothing wrong with being a Job person. You said it yourself, you have a great retirement. Not everyone gets into business for retirement, some only want a supplament to their income, and most of them get it.

Now lets return to the topic of Team of Destiny or whatever they call themselves these days. I do think that their products are overpriced. there are other ways to make it in business without TEAM.

Ok. First off, Quixtar is not Amway. They are however based off of the same thing, Multi-level marketing, and direct sales. Yes they are both owned by Alticore. The have rights to the same products. No one is arguing these points, so lets just drop them shall we?

As for Donald Trump ect. They were not talking about Quixtar/Amway. They said that a business model involving private franchising was one to get into.

There is nothing wrong with being a Job person. You said it yourself, you have a great retirement. Not everyone gets into business for retirement, some only want a supplament to their income, and most of them get it.

Now lets return to the topic of Team of Destiny or whatever they call themselves these days. I do think that their products are overpriced. there are other ways to make it in business without TEAM.

Ok. First off, Quixtar is not Amway. They are however based off of the same thing, Multi-level marketing, and direct sales. Yes they are both owned by Alticore. The have rights to the same products. No one is arguing these points, so lets just drop them shall we?

As for Donald Trump ect. They were not talking about Quixtar/Amway. They said that a business model involving private franchising was one to get into.

There is nothing wrong with being a Job person. You said it yourself, you have a great retirement. Not everyone gets into business for retirement, some only want a supplament to their income, and most of them get it.

Now lets return to the topic of Team of Destiny or whatever they call themselves these days. I do think that their products are overpriced. there are other ways to make it in business without TEAM.

Ron is funny....

So Donald Trump, Warren Buffet, and Bill Gates give a hoot about Amway, Alticoer or whatever? No way in hell, dude.

The Donald is interested ONLY in gigs that will make him money. Which means that The Donald is smart.

Warren and Bill have no interest in the likes of Amway et al. Good Lord, when your net worth is $73,000,000,000 (Warren) or $80,000,000,000 (Bill) you have NO REASON to care about Amway et al. The amount of money to be made with Amway, Alticore or whatever is simply too trifling.

So I am a Job-People? OK, so what. At least I am now retired very comfortably with a nice house, private dock, a nice GFBL (Go Fast Be Loud) boat, car, truck, full medical and drug bennies, yadda, yadda... Meanwhile, Ron's Alticore/Amway buddies will die poor. I know being a Job-People is really unfair to the Rons in this world, but someone has to do it...(sigh).

Don't let one or two negative people ruin a great opportunity. It is obvious that some people do not have the mental toughness to build thier own business and they are called job people. Once they get into this business they realize that it is not a get rich quick scam and that they actually have to work hard at it.

This makes them mad so they post negative where ever they can. Usually the same people are negative about everything in their life. Alticore has done more good than any of the people who talk negative of them could even dream of doing. They give away millions of dollars and help hundreds of thousands of people and those who try to bash it should be ashamed of themselfs for verbally abusing a company like Alticore.

Anyone thinking about this business should look into reputable sources such as the BBB, the US Chamber of Commerce, the US Direct Marketing Assoc. Also do some research from well know authors/business men such as Harry Dent, David Bach, John Maxwell, Robert Kiyosaki, Donald Trump, Warren Buffet, and Bill Gates. They all have recently stated that this type of business is the business to be in over the next 20 years.

No offense to the negative na-sayers, but I think these authors and the above sources are a much more accurate evaluation of our business and forgive me for not listening to someone who is disgruntled because they did not have what it takes to make this business work.

To address the statement that the products are a rip off and overpriced, I whole heartedly disagree. If you are smart you look at the cost per use, not just the cost. My wife and I carefully followed all of our Quixtar and partner store purchases our first year in the business and our wholesale to retail savings was over $5000.

If it is such a rip off, then why is the number one financial planner in the country for the past 5 years in a row in this business and very successfull at it. His name is John Sestina.
Bottom line to the negative na-sayers, stop whining that you didn't have what it takes to build this business and quit trying to ruin other peoples opportunities. There has never been a monument erected to a critic.

Gotta agree with Steve

This business is the definition of ripoff.
Shari, you say,
"you couldn't be more wrong... we're not Amway or Quixtar we're different because we actually DO what we say we're going to do."
Do any amount of research and you will see that "TEAM" is a part of Quixar, which was founded by Alticor, who also owns Amway.
See the connection?

If there are people that are staying home doing this and making money, that's great. But the fact of the matter is 98% of people involved are going to make little or no money... especially if they buy all of the tapes, books, and attend all of the seminars.
Perhaps you should check out the piece that Dateline did....http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4375477/

This company takes advantage of honest people who are hoping to better their lives by telling them how easy it will be to make money.

Shari, you also say,
"I've got proof that you're lying and so do thousands of others. I'm so imbarrassed for you little guy."

Where is this proof? I would like to see it, and I'm sure that Steve would as well. We want legitimate proof, not something that the "Team" has conveniently provided for you.

Also, it is certainly not Steve who "imbarrassed" himself.....perhaps you should learn how to operate your spell check before telling someone else how wrong they are.....

Just my opinion, but I am interested to see what others think of this company!

Of course you live in Amway country, it is
I who am sorry for you as soon you will realize this is all a SCAM ! The prices on the Quixtar
are ridiculous'

All you have to do is read AGAIN what I wrote.
If you are not familiar with this process, you must be young ! Just read about Jim Jones and Jamestown.

I never could understand the mentality of the
Quixtar IBO who would pay $5, $10 and more for
a product to get a small bonus. So lets see, pop corn cost more than twice as much as I can get it anywhere, HOWEVER they are
giving me a PV bonus. WOW ! I spent $300 more than the products are worth and I get get back a $100, so I only lost $200 ! What a business !

From your spelling and grammar you are the perfect IBO. They love them with double digit IQ'S.

We have thousands of attorneys that say we are over the top of being nothing short of an honest and fair business and you have an "opinion"? I hope you haven't told anyone else and imbarrassed yourself even more because you couldn't be more wrong... we're not Amway or Quixtar we're different because we actually DO what we say we're going to do. I know a whole lot of single moms home from their jobs so that they can be with their kids ONLY because of this awesome business... is that such a bad thing?
I've got proof that you're lying and so do thousands of others. I'm so imbarrassed for you little guy.
Proud IBO,