The Kelly Clarkson Fan Club. The Kelly Clarkson Fan Club used hate crimes against me, stole $60 US funds, harrased, stalked, and used slander on their website. New York Internet

Jeff. As stated very early on by Alan....Pinky was promoted to a different position. Are you that stupid that you cannot understand that?

Sugarpie

I did file again due to finally having time to read jeffs last posting and being accused of the hacking. It was NOT me, I have a list of ppl that is over 50 that I can reallistically narrow to 5 that did it.

I am taking jeff's stand that I am not going to let him lie about me, he says that is something not allowed so I stand by the same rules for myself as well.

With you asking about my posting and if you think the issue is dead after a month what still has you checking it then?

Just know not all of us have 18 hrs a day like some to check these things, but my reason is standing up for myself. Make note jeff has had plenty of chances to let it rest as well and refuses so dont just go after me. This can be my final defense and jeff does not need to post a reply other then case closed for good. It was supposed to be a few times before but jeff changed it there.

Nobody has posted in over a month. Why are you drudging this up again?
Are you trying to lure him into an argument? You're not helping your claim here. You're making it worse.

Nobody has posted in over a month. Why are you drudging this up again?
Are you trying to lure him into an argument? You're not helping your claim here. You're making it worse.

Nobody has posted in over a month. Why are you drudging this up again?
Are you trying to lure him into an argument? You're not helping your claim here. You're making it worse.

Nobody has posted in over a month. Why are you drudging this up again?
Are you trying to lure him into an argument? You're not helping your claim here. You're making it worse.

It has been forever since I got to check this posting to see what lies jeff has for his current chapter.

Oh yes lets claim everything that is shown for proof that you want to deny just claim photoshop, always an excuse.

I am glad to see you are making up the story of me being the hacker is back. I have told you I was not the one, but once again I say fine blame me, so be it.

You have a short memory or a selective memory and only remember few things if you do not recall willing for hookers or grandmas, not to mention 14 yr old girls for your satisfaction. Can you also tell me what company was giving me and alan money?

Once again double standards, I know your msn postings were done with photoshop just like the ones alan and I have posted. So yours do not count as proof either. Maybe to you but not the rest like tony and that is all that matters is who does NOT believe you.

Your request was that I purchase you a pair of kelly panties as a present for your 30th birthday present, and you were dying for them.

Keep in mind wearing pink is for breast cancer, not lame asses like you looking for attention.

What do you mean you never added people on your myspace? Go look again. Oh I know since myspace deleted your perverted things you have forgot and have nothing to see.

You were banned from kellyville, that is a kelly website. Banned from the fanclub which has the website so yes you have been banned.

Go sue sony/bmg what a story that would be. I would like to see you come up with the money to pay an attorney to write the first letter. I know that high priced art work of yours will take care of that cost in a year or 2.

Being the psyhcology expert you should evaluate yourself and figure out your mental problem / incompetance.

Being the smartest of 10,000 makes me wonder alot about the type of school you are attending. Maybe you are what is known as BOOK SMART, but you dont seem to be smart enough to understand this situation.

I also see that 24 has got the point that the 2 cases are totally different and has backed out a bit with supporting jeff.

By the way dont go telling people I am nothing but a bully, I did plenty to try helping you. Things including talking to alan once, helping you with computer problems and trying to give you advice that you chose to ignore. That is all being helpful and trying to be nice but you choice and actions made a big change in things.

Uncle Jeff I haven't gone anywhere. I am not the tony you talked to online. Give your head a shake to. I also want an apology for all the terrible things you have been saying about me. Now would be nice.

Excuse me Alan but I DO NOT LIE ,and I won't let a stranger that doesn't know me say I lie, I just won't let that happen, I am sorry you misunderstood me, but you did and I can't help that now can I?

It's a very beautiful day in Canada and while it may suck where you live Alan, it's really great here, and I have to be a man about you guys, and show everyone the truth about you and everyone that lies.

Yes a screenshot is a photoshoped LIE of yours, that's what screenshots are at least these days, or with me and you.

So you are saying you hacked my Alicia account and got me banned?

Excuse me Art or you could easily have put whatever you wanted on my account after you HACKED the darn thing.

I will never believe your lies, not one day in my life, you can keep it up but I will never believe that complete nonsense.

WTF? Hooker that's full out B.S. Lets not forget all the hookers you and art got with the company money... that's one you should explain.

Do you think any person is going to believe your lies after I have gotten a confession from "TONY" lol

I posted that straight from my msn.

anyhow that doesn't make sense if you got an autograph of someone that wouldn't mean you could go into Disneyland lol...

Nope never posted about anything like panties...BUT IFFFFFF someone did who the hell would give a d**n? I wouldn't.

Well your just being a bully in your post Alan

So I want to tell everyone to wear pink on February the 27th of 2007, its a program we are starting in Canada to let people be aware there are bullies out there ( of all ages as we can see here) and if people ask you what you are wearing pink for be sure to tell them why. It's not just for Canadians it's for everyone in the world that reads this. We have to make sure that bullying stops not only in schools but also online.

If you go on facebook you can find the WEAR PINK group... sign up and commit yourself to wearing pink for a great cause for new awareness of bullying.

Thanks to everyone that does that will get the message out that people like Art and Alan must be stopped immediately.

Don't try to hurt my feelings please.

LIES! I never added people on myspace you just imagined that!

Why do you stalk me? Why do you care so much about spying on me? What's the deal? I think you need a new hobby that doesn't include stalking me. ( And I have proof you admitted to following me around to every website)

No not true, I was not banned on ANY Kelly websites.

Oh that makes sense that you ran the My Space so you must have access to be able to hack me.

Well Sony/BMG will hear a HECK of a LOT more from me. They need to be sued for what they did to me and other Kelly Clarkson fans.

No I did not break any promises to you that is lies. Well if you think you have all the power in the world just because you can ban one fan your very wrong. Banning me doesn't give you any of the power you seem to want.

Excuse me but I remember you and art being my friend, so this is what happens when you try to go against friends. This isn't about something I did or didn't do it's that you THOUGHT (falsely) that you didn't like me. Trust me I know how people act, and I know a lot about psychology.I know a great deal about why you would do this.

And another thing that is not true alan is that I always did the things you said to do on those sites,. I followed your often STUPID rules and you come on here and say I didn't????????? That is just mean.

Fine we are not friends then... doesn't make a big difference now.

Ya, about the website, well I am going to have my own Kelly site, and it will be about my artwork and I will have the webmaster ban you and art, because you have been nothing but trouble for me.

Why are you so consistently rude in spelling Nelly's name wrong. More Proof you don't like Canada. I told you at least 20 or 30 times to please stop doing that and you keep it up. You are terrible for not listening so how dare YOU say I don't listen???????

Well I object to anyone saying anything of the sort about me that is negative because I had people hurt me in school. If you bothered to try to understand me you would have been able to care for me and you would have been able to love me instead of such hurtful comments. You guys were no different then the bullies in school.

It wasn't webmaster contacting each other, I found out a person from the kelly websites ( you or alan or someone) was stalking me on every website I went to and saying really bad things about me, things that are not true and never will be true.

I just want to show the world that I am a really really great person, that anyone will and can trust me, and that I will never do anything remotely close to what these people are saying, it's just garbage.

I could call a lot of people pedophiles that I have dealt with on these Kelly websites, it's all the rage these days to call people down in that way, if they happen to enjoy Kelly's music. Anyone who cares about children and wants to help them be better people to have a better future is suddenly a pedophile and I am 100% against people that call people down who want to help others. I obviously am 100% against actual ones.

I was not and never will be banned from those Kelly sites you mentioned.

I ma not mentally challenged of sorts... I am actually one of the smartest people of a school of 10,000... so watch what you say. I just don't let people walk all over me.

Well you can say I cry about stuff but I am senstive. I understand how people think and feel fairly well... so again watch what you say when you don't know someone.

That's the moral of the story.. I hope that this helps someone.

Even if we get one person this has helped.. then it's worth it

We have to really think about helping other people and not ourselves... that is what life is about.

Ha, I'd love to sue Pinky, but the law only works for you if you are rich... corrupt system.

Once I am rich, I'll sue him. ( Unless something can be worked out )

By the way I have amazing freinds that are so awesome and enormously helpful I couldn't as for better friends, I am 100% blessed and they trust and love me as I do them.

If anything you guys should wish me the best or something other then the bullying, that has to stop.

I'd actually rather help you guys if I could, rather then argue, we are clearly not getting anywhere.

Well sometimes I do cry but we are all emotional beings, so unless you are a robot from some other world, I am sure you have cried before???

Well at least you admit Echo isn't a very good company, I am certain they are a very very bad company.

Well what the heck can be done? You say Pinky doesn't care about anyone , which ya that's true, but he should. He really should.

No I don't ever have childish tantrums. No Springer here. Just facts, truth and explanations. ( Also don't treat me like a joke, it's just more bullying)

Jeff

Jeff, how can you say your not an Alicia Silverstone fan and deny everything you were banned for on her sites back in 2003 and 2005?
You had Alicia all over your myspace along with Kelly, I posted SCREENSHOTS of it. you do know what a screenshot is don't you? you click print screen, paste into a photo program and save as an image, it can't be altered, the resolution isn't high enough.

our accounts banned on the alicia sites have YOUR IP ADDRESS. Are you going to say Art snuck into your window and went on from your computer to make it all up?

You also made a big deal about panties in myspace blogs, which stayed on your myspace for many month's (there's SCREENSHOTS OF THAT TOO), lets not forget the hooker for Las Vegas you wanted to meet you at Disneyland for your birthday, and you asking Art if he could pay half for you. OH, and 'if I can get autographed pictures of celebrities, they'll let me into Disney free to meet Ariel the little mermaid'.. where did you come up with that nonsense? it did lead to your obsession with the little mermaid though.. I never saw a grown man get all hot and heavy over a cartoon character before.
Now your all about that Canadian Idol girl from your area, what is she, 16? 17? You need a new hobby Jeff.

I've already gone into how you constantly tried to add people from my myspace page to your friends list, even after they told you many times to go away, and eventually telling you off because you wouldn't.. some of them were my little cousins and nieces, some are staff on kellyville, and underage, yet, you still tried.. over many month's.

I also remember all your messages to the Kelly Clarkson Official Myspace going off on Pinky for not letting you back on before your year was up. that's all saved in SCREENSHOTS too. I had to block you from there, didn't I Jeff? I have those cause I did the myspace, I created it, and got it going for the fan club, now it's being handled by Sony/BMG, who knows al about you as well, you were banned on KellyClarksonweb.com before you were banned on the fan club.

Don't say I never gave you a chance, you joined Kellyville a year after I banned you on the fan club, you lasted a month on Kellyville and broke a promise you made to me. All your private messages I nthe kellyville chatroom were all reported (they all get saved to a log just in case they are reported), all your pm's, the same thing., I warned you 2 weeks into it, you kept it up, I had to ban you there, and banned you from all sites under my company.

I was also NEVER your friend, you were just another Kelly fan and site member. Just because someone talks to you a couple of times, does not make them your friend, friendship is based on trust, and trust is earned over time, you never earned trust, nor have I ever claimed to be your friend.
I told you many times what to stop doing, what to stop saying, who not to talk to, you flat out refused to listen, and I washed my hands of it all and did what I needed to do.

It's like this Jeff, you go in a store, and don't agree with how they do things, they tell you to go shop somewhere else, if you put up a bigger argument, they call the police and have you removed for trespassing, harassment, and whatever else falls under what you are doing, and ban you from the place of business. The owner has that right, rather you like it or not. If you disrupt the business, they keep you away. A website is no different, you go on one of my sites, your on my property, you follow my rules, if not, go somewhere else.

How dare you make the accusations you made after all the chances I gave you. If anything you say had any validity to it, you never would have been on Kellyville to begin with a year after I had banned you on the fan club (which btw, was also after you were banned on the Express, KCMB, and other Kelly sites, and those were after you were banned on Alica and Nellie sites. do you really think webmasters don't contact each other and warn them of problem members? I got tons of emails abbot you when you joined the fan club, but I needed to see for myself how true it all was, and you certainly proved it all true real fast).

I have not once sat here and called you a pedophile or anything other than mentally challenged of sorts. If others do that, that's their choice. I said you have many tendencies, which you do, and you most certainly need help. You are in fact very unstable, you just can't see it. Just once, put yourself in the other persons shoes and see how your actions, comments, and nonsense looks from the other side before you have your hissy fits (you sound like your about to cry when you have those. in fact, there's SCREENSHOTS of posts you made where you say you are crying).
I also never claimed Echo was a great company, personally, I've worked for much better, but they are average, expanding, and in your case, completely in the right for the action they have taken. They have alot more to worry about than you, there is nothing you can possibly do to hurt them, and they don't make money off the fan clubs, they make money off their promotions, media divisions, Marketing, and have a huge client base not counting the fanclubs. Do you really think Pinky or anyone else there even gives you a thought? You couldn't even afford to bring up a legal case against them. Your getting in way over your head.

and once again I try to explain it all to you so you might be able to understand, but you wont, can't wait to see your childish tantrum reply to this, it's better than the Jerry Springer show.

Ash (aka tony)

I want to say your post will me taken down I am working with the police to find you and get you arrested.

Hey everyone that is involved my friend Ashton Kennedy decided to play a illegal "game" with me, as you all did, and decided to use msn to impersonate Kelly Clarkson. I have the MSN conversation here to prove it was her. She didn't want to admit it (she said in the conversation) but I knew that you could save it, so basically, the truth is now out!

For a few days she pretended to be Kelly on my msn, after I was certain it was not the real Kelly I was talking with she decided to confess ( as I am hoping Art/Alan/Pinky/Morgan ect will also end up doing as well.)

Here we go.........

Kelly-On tour! says:
YOU THOUGHT YOU WERE TALKING TO KELLY

Kelly-On tour! says:
ALL ALONG

Kelly-On tour! says:
IT WAS ME

Kelly-On tour! says:
ASHTON KENNEDY

-Jeff- Kelly is on my msn! says:
booooooooo

Kelly-On tour! says:
I JUST CRUSHED TO FANTASY
IT WAS A FUNNY JOKE

-Jeff- Kelly is on my msn! says:
nooooooooooooooooo

Kelly-On tour! says:
GOTCHYA

-Jeff- Kelly is on my msn! says:
That is illegal!

Kelly-On tour! says:
APRIL FOOLS

Kelly-On tour! says:
how?

-Jeff- Kelly is on my msn! says:
to impersonate anyone!

Kelly-On tour! says:
no...to you everything is illeagal

-Jeff- Kelly is on my msn! says:
it is!!!

-Jeff- Kelly is on my msn! says:
it's illegal trust me

-Jeff- Kelly is on my msn! says:
I looked into it

Kelly-On tour! says:
to you...not being a virgins is illegal..f**king bats is illegal..being an impersonater is illegal

-Jeff- Kelly is on my msn! says:
cause of bad ppl that did it to me from the kc fan club

-Jeff- Kelly is on my msn! says:
yes that 's all illegal

Kelly-On tour! says:
PS

Kelly-On tour! says:
..IM TPONY

Kelly-On tour! says:
TONY*

Kelly-On tour! says:
unlce tony to you

-Jeff- Kelly is on my msn! says:
well admit it

- Jeff- Kelly is on my msn! says:
on the site

Kelly-On tour! says:
admit what

Kelly-On tour! says:
NEVERRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR

- Jeff- Kelly is on my msn! says:
confess!

-Jeff- Kelly is on my msn! says:
YOU HAVE TO

Kelly-On tour! says:
NEVERRRRRRRRRRRRRRR

Kelly-On tour! says:
I WILL NEVER

-Jeff- Kelly is on my msn! says:
or I WILL CALL THE POLICE!!!!!!

Kelly-On tour! says:
KELLYS FAT
AND UGLY

Kelly-On tour! says:
okay

Kelly-On tour! says:
for what

Kelly-On tour! says:
becaus ei made fake email

-Jeff- Kelly is on my msn! says:
for impersonating Kelly Clarkson.

So that's the exact and official MSN transcript, so we have seen here you should not believe everything you read from these fools.

Please keep that in mind and I will do my best to "out" the rest of them

I feel this is part of the victory, and the proof of "24"'s is part of it as well.

If I can just get a confession from Art and Alan I will be home free.

At least we have a full confession caught, and we have more and more proof from 24 coming each day. I have also come across more proof about Pinky from internet websites as well.

Jeff I am tired of your stuff, I have posted my own complaint on you, on this website. Stop slandering people, stop the libel, and move on in life.

Jeff, how can you say your not an Alicia Silverstone fan and deny everything you were banned for on her sites back in 2003 and 2005?
You had Alicia all over your myspace along with Kelly, I posted SCREENSHOTS of it. you do know what a screenshot is don't you? you click print screen, paste into a photo program and save as an image, it can't be altered, the resolution isn't high enough.
our accounts banned on the alicia sites have YOUR IP ADDRESS. Are you going to say Art snuck into your window and went on from your computer to make it all up?

You also made a big deal about panties in myspace blogs, which stayed on your myspace for many month's (there's SCREENSHOTS OF THAT TOO), lets not forget the hooker for Las Vegas you wanted to meet you at Disneyland for your birthday, and you asking Art if he could pay half for you. OH, and 'if I can get autographed pictures of celebrities, they'll let me into Disney free to meet Ariel the little mermaid'.. where did you come up with that nonsense? it did lead to your obsession with the little mermaid though.. I never saw a grown man get all hot and heavy over a cartoon character before.
Now your all about that Canadian Idol girl from your area, what is she, 16? 17? You need a new hobby Jeff.
I've already gone into how you constantly tried to add people from my myspace page to your friends list, even after they told you many times to go away, and eventually telling you off because you wouldn't.. some of them were my little cousins and nieces, some are staff on kellyville, and underage, yet, you still tried.. over many month's.

I also remember all your messages to the Kelly Clarkson Official Myspace going off on Pinky for not letting you back on before your year was up. that's all saved in SCREENSHOTS too. I had to block you from there, didn't I Jeff? I have those cause I did the myspace, I created it, and got it going for the fan club, now it's being handled by Sony/BMG, who knows al about you as well, you were banned on KellyClarksonweb.com before you were banned on the fan club.

Don't say I never gave you a chance, you joined Kellyville a year after I banned you on the fan club, you lasted a month on Kellyville and broke a promise you made to me. All your private messages I nthe kellyville chatroom were all reported (they all get saved to a log just in case they are reported), all your pm's, the same thing., I warned you 2 weeks into it, you kept it up, I had to ban you there, and banned you from all sites under my company.

I was also NEVER your friend, you were just another Kelly fan and site member. Just because someone talks to you a couple of times, does not make them your friend, friendship is based on trust, and trust is earned over time, you never earned trust, nor have I ever claimed to be your friend.
I told you many times what to stop doing, what to stop saying, who not to talk to, you flat out refused to listen, and I washed my hands of it all and did what I needed to do.

It's like this Jeff, you go in a store, and don't agree with how they do things, they tell you to go shop somewhere else, if you put up a bigger argument, they call the police and have you removed for trespassing, harassment, and whatever else falls under what you are doing, and ban you from the place of business. The owner has that right, rather you like it or not. If you disrupt the business, they keep you away. A website is no different, you go on one of my sites, your on my property, you follow my rules, if not, go somewhere else.

How dare you make the accusations you made after all the chances I gave you. If anything you say had any validity to it, you never would have been on Kellyville to begin with a year after I had banned you on the fan club (which btw, was also after you were banned on the Express, KCMB, and other Kelly sites, and those were after you were banned on Alica and Nellie sites. do you really think webmasters don't contact each other and warn them of problem members? I got tons of emails abbot you when you joined the fan club, but I needed to see for myself how true it all was, and you certainly proved it all true real fast).

I have not once sat here and called you a pedophile or anything other than mentally challenged of sorts. If others do that, that's their choice. I said you have many tendencies, which you do, and you most certainly need help. You are in fact very unstable, you just can't see it. Just once, put yourself in the other persons shoes and see how your actions, comments, and nonsense looks from the other side before you have your hissy fits (you sound like your about to cry when you have those. in fact, there's SCREENSHOTS of posts you made where you say you are crying).
I also never claimed Echo was a great company, personally, I've worked for much better, but they are average, expanding, and in your case, completely in the right for the action they have taken. They have alot more to worry about than you, there is nothing you can possibly do to hurt them, and they don't make money off the fan clubs, they make money off their promotions, media divisions, Marketing, and have a huge client base not counting the fanclubs. Do you really think Pinky or anyone else there even gives you a thought? You couldn't even afford to bring up a legal case against them. Your getting in way over your head.

and once again I try to explain it all to you so you might be able to understand, but you wont, can't wait to see your childish tantrum reply to this, it's better than the Jerry Springer show.

Jeff, how can you say your not an Alicia Silverstone fan and deny everything you were banned for on her sites back in 2003 and 2005?
You had Alicia all over your myspace along with Kelly, I posted SCREENSHOTS of it. you do know what a screenshot is don't you? you click print screen, paste into a photo program and save as an image, it can't be altered, the resolution isn't high enough.
our accounts banned on the alicia sites have YOUR IP ADDRESS. Are you going to say Art snuck into your window and went on from your computer to make it all up?

You also made a big deal about panties in myspace blogs, which stayed on your myspace for many month's (there's SCREENSHOTS OF THAT TOO), lets not forget the hooker for Las Vegas you wanted to meet you at Disneyland for your birthday, and you asking Art if he could pay half for you. OH, and 'if I can get autographed pictures of celebrities, they'll let me into Disney free to meet Ariel the little mermaid'.. where did you come up with that nonsense? it did lead to your obsession with the little mermaid though.. I never saw a grown man get all hot and heavy over a cartoon character before.
Now your all about that Canadian Idol girl from your area, what is she, 16? 17? You need a new hobby Jeff.
I've already gone into how you constantly tried to add people from my myspace page to your friends list, even after they told you many times to go away, and eventually telling you off because you wouldn't.. some of them were my little cousins and nieces, some are staff on kellyville, and underage, yet, you still tried.. over many month's.

I also remember all your messages to the Kelly Clarkson Official Myspace going off on Pinky for not letting you back on before your year was up. that's all saved in SCREENSHOTS too. I had to block you from there, didn't I Jeff? I have those cause I did the myspace, I created it, and got it going for the fan club, now it's being handled by Sony/BMG, who knows al about you as well, you were banned on KellyClarksonweb.com before you were banned on the fan club.

Don't say I never gave you a chance, you joined Kellyville a year after I banned you on the fan club, you lasted a month on Kellyville and broke a promise you made to me. All your private messages I nthe kellyville chatroom were all reported (they all get saved to a log just in case they are reported), all your pm's, the same thing., I warned you 2 weeks into it, you kept it up, I had to ban you there, and banned you from all sites under my company.

I was also NEVER your friend, you were just another Kelly fan and site member. Just because someone talks to you a couple of times, does not make them your friend, friendship is based on trust, and trust is earned over time, you never earned trust, nor have I ever claimed to be your friend.
I told you many times what to stop doing, what to stop saying, who not to talk to, you flat out refused to listen, and I washed my hands of it all and did what I needed to do.

It's like this Jeff, you go in a store, and don't agree with how they do things, they tell you to go shop somewhere else, if you put up a bigger argument, they call the police and have you removed for trespassing, harassment, and whatever else falls under what you are doing, and ban you from the place of business. The owner has that right, rather you like it or not. If you disrupt the business, they keep you away. A website is no different, you go on one of my sites, your on my property, you follow my rules, if not, go somewhere else.

How dare you make the accusations you made after all the chances I gave you. If anything you say had any validity to it, you never would have been on Kellyville to begin with a year after I had banned you on the fan club (which btw, was also after you were banned on the Express, KCMB, and other Kelly sites, and those were after you were banned on Alica and Nellie sites. do you really think webmasters don't contact each other and warn them of problem members? I got tons of emails abbot you when you joined the fan club, but I needed to see for myself how true it all was, and you certainly proved it all true real fast).

I have not once sat here and called you a pedophile or anything other than mentally challenged of sorts. If others do that, that's their choice. I said you have many tendencies, which you do, and you most certainly need help. You are in fact very unstable, you just can't see it. Just once, put yourself in the other persons shoes and see how your actions, comments, and nonsense looks from the other side before you have your hissy fits (you sound like your about to cry when you have those. in fact, there's SCREENSHOTS of posts you made where you say you are crying).
I also never claimed Echo was a great company, personally, I've worked for much better, but they are average, expanding, and in your case, completely in the right for the action they have taken. They have alot more to worry about than you, there is nothing you can possibly do to hurt them, and they don't make money off the fan clubs, they make money off their promotions, media divisions, Marketing, and have a huge client base not counting the fanclubs. Do you really think Pinky or anyone else there even gives you a thought? You couldn't even afford to bring up a legal case against them. Your getting in way over your head.

and once again I try to explain it all to you so you might be able to understand, but you wont, can't wait to see your childish tantrum reply to this, it's better than the Jerry Springer show.

Jeff, how can you say your not an Alicia Silverstone fan and deny everything you were banned for on her sites back in 2003 and 2005?
You had Alicia all over your myspace along with Kelly, I posted SCREENSHOTS of it. you do know what a screenshot is don't you? you click print screen, paste into a photo program and save as an image, it can't be altered, the resolution isn't high enough.
our accounts banned on the alicia sites have YOUR IP ADDRESS. Are you going to say Art snuck into your window and went on from your computer to make it all up?

You also made a big deal about panties in myspace blogs, which stayed on your myspace for many month's (there's SCREENSHOTS OF THAT TOO), lets not forget the hooker for Las Vegas you wanted to meet you at Disneyland for your birthday, and you asking Art if he could pay half for you. OH, and 'if I can get autographed pictures of celebrities, they'll let me into Disney free to meet Ariel the little mermaid'.. where did you come up with that nonsense? it did lead to your obsession with the little mermaid though.. I never saw a grown man get all hot and heavy over a cartoon character before.
Now your all about that Canadian Idol girl from your area, what is she, 16? 17? You need a new hobby Jeff.
I've already gone into how you constantly tried to add people from my myspace page to your friends list, even after they told you many times to go away, and eventually telling you off because you wouldn't.. some of them were my little cousins and nieces, some are staff on kellyville, and underage, yet, you still tried.. over many month's.

I also remember all your messages to the Kelly Clarkson Official Myspace going off on Pinky for not letting you back on before your year was up. that's all saved in SCREENSHOTS too. I had to block you from there, didn't I Jeff? I have those cause I did the myspace, I created it, and got it going for the fan club, now it's being handled by Sony/BMG, who knows al about you as well, you were banned on KellyClarksonweb.com before you were banned on the fan club.

Don't say I never gave you a chance, you joined Kellyville a year after I banned you on the fan club, you lasted a month on Kellyville and broke a promise you made to me. All your private messages I nthe kellyville chatroom were all reported (they all get saved to a log just in case they are reported), all your pm's, the same thing., I warned you 2 weeks into it, you kept it up, I had to ban you there, and banned you from all sites under my company.

I was also NEVER your friend, you were just another Kelly fan and site member. Just because someone talks to you a couple of times, does not make them your friend, friendship is based on trust, and trust is earned over time, you never earned trust, nor have I ever claimed to be your friend.
I told you many times what to stop doing, what to stop saying, who not to talk to, you flat out refused to listen, and I washed my hands of it all and did what I needed to do.

It's like this Jeff, you go in a store, and don't agree with how they do things, they tell you to go shop somewhere else, if you put up a bigger argument, they call the police and have you removed for trespassing, harassment, and whatever else falls under what you are doing, and ban you from the place of business. The owner has that right, rather you like it or not. If you disrupt the business, they keep you away. A website is no different, you go on one of my sites, your on my property, you follow my rules, if not, go somewhere else.

How dare you make the accusations you made after all the chances I gave you. If anything you say had any validity to it, you never would have been on Kellyville to begin with a year after I had banned you on the fan club (which btw, was also after you were banned on the Express, KCMB, and other Kelly sites, and those were after you were banned on Alica and Nellie sites. do you really think webmasters don't contact each other and warn them of problem members? I got tons of emails abbot you when you joined the fan club, but I needed to see for myself how true it all was, and you certainly proved it all true real fast).

I have not once sat here and called you a pedophile or anything other than mentally challenged of sorts. If others do that, that's their choice. I said you have many tendencies, which you do, and you most certainly need help. You are in fact very unstable, you just can't see it. Just once, put yourself in the other persons shoes and see how your actions, comments, and nonsense looks from the other side before you have your hissy fits (you sound like your about to cry when you have those. in fact, there's SCREENSHOTS of posts you made where you say you are crying).
I also never claimed Echo was a great company, personally, I've worked for much better, but they are average, expanding, and in your case, completely in the right for the action they have taken. They have alot more to worry about than you, there is nothing you can possibly do to hurt them, and they don't make money off the fan clubs, they make money off their promotions, media divisions, Marketing, and have a huge client base not counting the fanclubs. Do you really think Pinky or anyone else there even gives you a thought? You couldn't even afford to bring up a legal case against them. Your getting in way over your head.

and once again I try to explain it all to you so you might be able to understand, but you wont, can't wait to see your childish tantrum reply to this, it's better than the Jerry Springer show.

Jeff, how can you say your not an Alicia Silverstone fan and deny everything you were banned for on her sites back in 2003 and 2005?
You had Alicia all over your myspace along with Kelly, I posted SCREENSHOTS of it. you do know what a screenshot is don't you? you click print screen, paste into a photo program and save as an image, it can't be altered, the resolution isn't high enough.
our accounts banned on the alicia sites have YOUR IP ADDRESS. Are you going to say Art snuck into your window and went on from your computer to make it all up?

You also made a big deal about panties in myspace blogs, which stayed on your myspace for many month's (there's SCREENSHOTS OF THAT TOO), lets not forget the hooker for Las Vegas you wanted to meet you at Disneyland for your birthday, and you asking Art if he could pay half for you. OH, and 'if I can get autographed pictures of celebrities, they'll let me into Disney free to meet Ariel the little mermaid'.. where did you come up with that nonsense? it did lead to your obsession with the little mermaid though.. I never saw a grown man get all hot and heavy over a cartoon character before.
Now your all about that Canadian Idol girl from your area, what is she, 16? 17? You need a new hobby Jeff.
I've already gone into how you constantly tried to add people from my myspace page to your friends list, even after they told you many times to go away, and eventually telling you off because you wouldn't.. some of them were my little cousins and nieces, some are staff on kellyville, and underage, yet, you still tried.. over many month's.

I also remember all your messages to the Kelly Clarkson Official Myspace going off on Pinky for not letting you back on before your year was up. that's all saved in SCREENSHOTS too. I had to block you from there, didn't I Jeff? I have those cause I did the myspace, I created it, and got it going for the fan club, now it's being handled by Sony/BMG, who knows al about you as well, you were banned on KellyClarksonweb.com before you were banned on the fan club.

Don't say I never gave you a chance, you joined Kellyville a year after I banned you on the fan club, you lasted a month on Kellyville and broke a promise you made to me. All your private messages I nthe kellyville chatroom were all reported (they all get saved to a log just in case they are reported), all your pm's, the same thing., I warned you 2 weeks into it, you kept it up, I had to ban you there, and banned you from all sites under my company.

I was also NEVER your friend, you were just another Kelly fan and site member. Just because someone talks to you a couple of times, does not make them your friend, friendship is based on trust, and trust is earned over time, you never earned trust, nor have I ever claimed to be your friend.
I told you many times what to stop doing, what to stop saying, who not to talk to, you flat out refused to listen, and I washed my hands of it all and did what I needed to do.

It's like this Jeff, you go in a store, and don't agree with how they do things, they tell you to go shop somewhere else, if you put up a bigger argument, they call the police and have you removed for trespassing, harassment, and whatever else falls under what you are doing, and ban you from the place of business. The owner has that right, rather you like it or not. If you disrupt the business, they keep you away. A website is no different, you go on one of my sites, your on my property, you follow my rules, if not, go somewhere else.

How dare you make the accusations you made after all the chances I gave you. If anything you say had any validity to it, you never would have been on Kellyville to begin with a year after I had banned you on the fan club (which btw, was also after you were banned on the Express, KCMB, and other Kelly sites, and those were after you were banned on Alica and Nellie sites. do you really think webmasters don't contact each other and warn them of problem members? I got tons of emails abbot you when you joined the fan club, but I needed to see for myself how true it all was, and you certainly proved it all true real fast).

I have not once sat here and called you a pedophile or anything other than mentally challenged of sorts. If others do that, that's their choice. I said you have many tendencies, which you do, and you most certainly need help. You are in fact very unstable, you just can't see it. Just once, put yourself in the other persons shoes and see how your actions, comments, and nonsense looks from the other side before you have your hissy fits (you sound like your about to cry when you have those. in fact, there's SCREENSHOTS of posts you made where you say you are crying).
I also never claimed Echo was a great company, personally, I've worked for much better, but they are average, expanding, and in your case, completely in the right for the action they have taken. They have alot more to worry about than you, there is nothing you can possibly do to hurt them, and they don't make money off the fan clubs, they make money off their promotions, media divisions, Marketing, and have a huge client base not counting the fanclubs. Do you really think Pinky or anyone else there even gives you a thought? You couldn't even afford to bring up a legal case against them. Your getting in way over your head.

and once again I try to explain it all to you so you might be able to understand, but you wont, can't wait to see your childish tantrum reply to this, it's better than the Jerry Springer show.

Jeff, how can you say your not an Alicia Silverstone fan and deny everything you were banned for on her sites back in 2003 and 2005?
You had Alicia all over your myspace along with Kelly, I posted SCREENSHOTS of it. you do know what a screenshot is dont you? you click print screen, paste into a photo program and save as an image, it can't be altered, the resolution isn't high enough.

our accounts banned on the alicia sites have YOUR IP ADDRESS. Are you going to say Art snuck into your window and went on from your computer to make it all up?

You also made a big deal about panties in myspace blogs, which stayed on your myspace for many month's (there's SCREENSHOTS OF THAT TOO), lets not forget the hooker for Las Vegas you wanted to meet you at Disneyland for your birthday, and you asking Art if he could pay half for you. OH, and 'if i can get autographed pictures of celebrities, they'll let me into Disney free to meet Ariel the little mermaid'.. where did you come up with that nonsense? it did lead to your obsession with the little mermaid though.. I never saw a grown man get all hot and heavy over a cartoon charactor before.
Now your all about that Canadian Idol girl from your area, what is she, 16? 17? You need a new hobby Jeff.

Ive already gone into how you constantly tried to add people from my myspace page to your riends lsit, even after they told you many times to go away, and eventually telling you off because you wouldn't.. some of them were my little cousins and neices, some are staff on kellyville, and underrage, yet, you still tried.. over many month's.

I also remember all your messages to the Kelly Clarkson Official Myspace going off on Pinky for not letting you back on before your year was up. that's all saved in SCREENSHOTS too. I had to block you from there, didn't I Jeff? I have those cause I did the myspace, I created it, and got it going for the fan club, now it's being handled by Sony/BMG, who knows al about you as well, you were banned on KellyClarksonweb.com before you were banned on the fan club.

Don't say I never gave you a chance, you joined Kellyville a year after I banned you on the fan club, you lasted a month on Kellyville and broke a promise you made to me. All your private messages i nthe kellyville chatroom were all reported (they all get saved to a log just in case they are reported), all your pm's, the same thing., I warned you 2 weeks into it, you kept it up, I had to ban you there, and banend you from all sites under my company.

I was also NEVER your friend, you were just another Kelly fan and site member. Just because someone talks to you a couple of times, does not make them your friend, friendship is based on trust, and trust is earned over time, you never earned trust, nor have I ever claimed to be your friend.
I told you many times what to stop doing, what to stop saying, who not to talk to, you fla tout refused to lsiten, and I washed my hands of it all and did what I needed to do.

It's liek this Jeff, you go in a store, and don't agree with how they do things, they tell you to go shop somewhere else, if you put up a bigger arguement, they call the police and have you removed for tresspassing, harrassment, and whatever else falls under what you are doing, and ban you from the place of business. The owner has that right, rather you like it or not. If you disrupt the business, they keep you away. A website is no differant, you go on one of my sites, your on my property, you follow my rules, if not, go somewhere else.

How dare you make the accusations you made after all the chances I gave you. If anything you say had any validity to it, you never would have been on Kellyville to begin with a year after I had banned you on the fan club (which btw, was also after you were banned ont he Express, KCMB, and other Kelly sites, and those were after you were banned on Alica and Nellie sites. do you really think webmasters dont cotnact each other and warn them of problem members? I got tons of emails abotu you when you joined the fan club, but I needed to see for myself how true it all was, and you certainly proved it all true real fast).

I have not once sat here and called you a pedophile or anything other than mentally challanged of sorts. If others do that, that's their choice. I said you have many tendancies, which you do, and you most certainly need help. You are in fact very unstable, you just can't see it. Just once, put yourself in the othe persons shoes and see how your actions, comments, and nonsense looks from the other side before you have your hissy fits (you sound like your about to cry when you have those. in fact, there's SCREENSHOTS of psots you made where you say you are crying).

I also never claimed Echo was a great company, personally, I've worked for much better, but they are average, expanding, and in your case, completely in the right for the action they have taken. They have alot more to worry about than you, there is nothing you can possibly do to hurt them, and they don't make money off the fan clubs, they make money off their promotions, media divisions, Marketing, and have a huge cleint base not counting the fanclubs. Do you really think Pinky or anyone else there even gives you a thought? You couldn't even afford to rbing up a legal case against them. Your getting in way over your head.

and once again I try to explain it all to you so you might be able to udnerstand, but you wont, can't wait to see your childish tantrum reply to this, it's better than the Jerry Springer show.

Hey everyone that is involved my friend Ashton Kennedy decided to play a illegal "game" with me, as you all did, and decided to use msn to impersonate Kelly Clarkson. I have the MSN conversation here to prove it was her. She didn't want to admit it (she said in the conversation) but I knew that you could save it, so basically, the truth is now out!

For a few days she pretended to be Kelly on my msn, after I was certain it was not the real Kelly I was talking with she decided to confess ( as I am hoping Art/Alan/Pinky/Morgan ect will also end up doing as well.)

Here we go.........

Kelly-On tour! says:
YOU THOUGHT YOU WERE TALKING TO KELLY

Kelly-On tour! says:
ALL ALONG

Kelly-On tour! says:
IT WAS ME

Kelly-On tour! says:
ASHTON KENNEDY

-Jeff- Kelly is on my msn! says:
booooooooo

Kelly-On tour! says:
I JUST CRUSHED TO FANTASY
IT WAS A FUNNY JOKE

-Jeff- Kelly is on my msn! says:
nooooooooooooooooo

Kelly-On tour! says:
GOTCHYA

-Jeff- Kelly is on my msn! says:
That is illegal!

Kelly-On tour! says:
APRIL FOOLS

Kelly-On tour! says:
how?

-Jeff- Kelly is on my msn! says:
to impersonate anyone!

Kelly-On tour! says:
no...to you everything is illeagal

-Jeff- Kelly is on my msn! says:
it is!!!

-Jeff- Kelly is on my msn! says:
it's illegal trust me

-Jeff- Kelly is on my msn! says:
I looked into it

Kelly-On tour! says:
to you...not being a virgins is illegal..f**king bats is illegal..being an impersonater is illegal

-Jeff- Kelly is on my msn! says:
cause of bad ppl that did it to me from the kc fan club

-Jeff- Kelly is on my msn! says:
yes that 's all illegal

Kelly-On tour! says:
PS

Kelly-On tour! says:
..IM TPONY

Kelly-On tour! says:
TONY*

Kelly-On tour! says:
unlce tony to you

-Jeff- Kelly is on my msn! says:
well admit it

- Jeff- Kelly is on my msn! says:
on the site

Kelly-On tour! says:
admit what

Kelly-On tour! says:
NEVERRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR

- Jeff- Kelly is on my msn! says:
confess!

-Jeff- Kelly is on my msn! says:
YOU HAVE TO

Kelly-On tour! says:
NEVERRRRRRRRRRRRRRR

Kelly-On tour! says:
I WILL NEVER

-Jeff- Kelly is on my msn! says:
or I WILL CALL THE POLICE!!!!!!

Kelly-On tour! says:
KELLYS FAT
AND UGLY

Kelly-On tour! says:
okay

Kelly-On tour! says:
for what

Kelly-On tour! says:
becaus ei made fake email

-Jeff- Kelly is on my msn! says:
for impersonating Kelly Clarkson.

So that's the exact and official MSN transcript, so we have seen here you should not believe everything you read from these fools.

Please keep that in mind and I will do my best to "out" the rest of them

I feel this is part of the victory, and the proof of "24"'s is part of it as well.

If I can just get a confession from Art and Alan I will be home free.

At least we have a full confession caught, and we have more and more proof from 24 coming each day. I have also come across more proof about Pinky from internet websites as well.

Art, sometimes you really make me sick how you side with criminals like Tony the Phony. I don't get it!!!

I never wanted panties you sicko-perverted-kelly clarkson stalker!

I know about you Art and you are a full out pervert. I talked to you for over a year.

Hey if you want to make fake postings about me go for it, I couldn't care less... but it makes you look like complete losers.

That wasn't even my name this Tony guy posted under.

Well , yes, what you said is true, people are posting fake documents so I am coming here to say that they are not true and it's a place to fight the people that did all of this to me like Tony, Art, Alan, Morgan, Pink, ect.

Now you are even trying to change my real age lol your just disgustingly perverted Art. What a joke these so-called "men" are.

Can't anyone see how stupid these guys are?????

Whatever I am not even a alicia fan, it makes no sense.

Art you owe ME an appology for lying to me for a year, pretending to be my friend, and forcing me to talk to you underage "ladies" but I knew they were bad news, and I didn't want to talk to them.

I am not a freak. What is up with your childish name calling. An adult WOULD NOT do that, so we know the Kelly Clarkson fan club hires underage people do do their dirty work. That should be under investigation and I will report it.

1) how were they different? not true! Both were hacked/stalked by Pinky.

2) not true, both reasons were for no reason.

3) Pinky vanished. He never spoke to me. I thought he was a criminal that they had to "let go". A lot of people e mailed me that Pinky Gonzalez is a criminal that had to go into hiding. But we found him!

4)You are a spin doctor.

5)For everyones information I tried to work this all out privately but Alan, Art, Pinky and the rest of the crew did not bother to listen to me.

6)Pinky is a criminal and needs to fess up. Ya I needed to speak to Pinky and he went undercover for reasons no one has even said.

7) A paid subscription is totally garbage if you steal the money and ban all the time without just cause.

8) Fan clubs DONT make money? That's Bull, they make a KILLING off poor people that happen to be fans. Fan clubs should NOT be acting this way. This is UNHEARD of, other then from ECHOMUSIC, HELLOECHO and CRIMINALECHO. ( please note changing the name does NOT change the criminal activity) In the long run I would say it would have been easier to work this all out by private message then on here... just an idea... and now people know Echomusic is a criminal outfit, which can't be good for business.

9) You state how the corporation you work for does everything to help everybody and treat them equal. MOST places do that when they can but fanclubs and websites like these are not huge companies and really do not profit so it is hard to work with all the less fortunate. The sites and fanclubs still cost money to run and websites and internet services are not cheap and with a lot of them really are not worth it. If you think alan and pinky are making fortunes from these sites I hate to tell you that is not the case. This is also the reason they only go so far with complaints that drag on, as it is not worth it and in the end is a lot cheaper to ban the problems. No that doesnt make it totally correct but look at both sides. The websites we are discussing are not major companies

10) Oh so Alan just hires any old criminal geek from the pool if crazy internet stalkers to work for him as a volunteer? I think he should at least screen these people, because I had to deal with crazy people like Art that stalked me for a year!!!! He PRETENDED to be my friend everyone PRETENDED. HE WAS PERVERTED TO ME!!!

Low? you call stalking me and calling me at all hours of the night not LOW art? Come on fess up!!!!

Yes of course we all want to be let on the boards of the fan club we are not the people you make us out to be!

CRIMINALS!

Jeff

Tony you must be 3 years old.

What is NAMBLA? Who is Uncle Jeff?

I don't get it?

Actually the world doesn't need you Tony, you are a disgusting pervert and I hope you get what is coming to you... I am sure you will.

As far as your postings go, they are not even from me. There was a guy online that wrote "FROM JEFF" after his posts and that's not me. For the record I didn't write any of that nonsense that Tony the Phony posted.

I write after my post just

Jeff

Like blah blah blah we have the proof and you don't.

Jeff

Tony you did a great job with the patience to post all of uncle jeffs perverted postings. He also wanted me to buy him a pair of kelly's panties as a present for his 30th birthday present

We all know uncle jeff is going to deny this and you wrote them or modified them or these postings were pranks by friends. he never said any of that, he is innocent. POOR uncle jeff look how many people are willing to take their entire life and make stories up about him and modify his postings as proof or use his name to make fake usernames and post as him. As I said before this should be a bigger concern of his, I would be worried if all these people were out there posting obscene things and sexual comments using my name making me look like the pervert he is. I would dedicate my time to this and trying to clear my name. However since it was him he has no worry about it since he has nobody to go against. I also am impressed that tony was able to get jeffies b-day correct if he wrote all this. If I didnt know jeffs age and actually believe he is a 31 yr old virgin and I would guess him to be 21 or 22 and there was a boy named jeff stackhouse found guilty of sexual issues and served time in arizona, he was 14 when convicted and after serving time was put in a mental institution for some time. Ripoff will not allow links so just google jeff stackhouse arizona. Yes jeff I believe alan saying you are 31 and mental so this is not you, but so coincidental it is freaky. Is there any way you can prove the 2 of you are not related?

I also think the comments tony posted and the dates etc are legitimate, same thing for proof people, just google "jeff stackhouse" + "alicia silverstone" do notice the dates and how alan tony and I did NOT know jeff then. Notice the vancouver, b.c., canada, virgin comments, name and age all match jeffs postings here. If he still wants to blame us maybe we just hacked his computer out of random and made him entertainment before he even joined or got banned from kelly sites. Well that did NOT happen.

I also want to make note that I stated jeff owes the school an apology for their computer system being banned. I still dont feel bad that I reported jeff was in the chat room on kelly's birthday trying to be part of a "party", I informed alan and he was instantly in the chat room and told jeff he knew he was NOT supposed to be there and also told him BYE BYE, by website setup kicked him out of the chat room then banned the school ip range to prevent him trying again.Yes we say sorry to the others that they have the one thing in common with the freak and are punished for it, no apology to jeff though.

Jeff give up claiming all the proof of other people others post is modified. It is for that reason that I suggest people run the google search and can see them on the website directly. I doubt anyone reading this thread will believe that we started all of this with jeff almost 5 years ago, as some postings about alicia go back to 2003

I will post my full rebuttal after work, yes jeff I work and dont use paint by/color by numbers and do "art work" for a living. Tell mom and grandma hello and make sure to thank them for supporting you.

PS

24

I read your postings as well and will tell you there are a few thoughts for you that also make things totally different

1) Maybe things could have and should have been handled a little different then they were and things were extreme with you compared to jeff

2) I see you were at least offered a refund and turned down the offer, that was by your choice so again totally different situations and also shows totally unrelated reasons for for banning

3) Pinky did reply to you and it looks like pinky was trying to work with you but it turned out to be a disagreement that lead to a disagreement of how you wanted to handle things

4) The one posting stated that there were good chances it would lead to a banning but it was worth it so the posting could be made. Well the posting was made voluntarily and the price was paid but the posting was supposed to be worth it.

5) You could have stayed working via PM and not have had an issue. Being in the business world like you are (I dont call you a liar like jeff would being "opposite" sides) you should know that it is better issues be dealt with privately and you could have tried working it out directly. Jeff is learning that right now by starting things on the outside. He obviously expected to only have people that buy his story and willing to give him sympathy. He never expected alan or me to show up then to have others like tony see the entire story and able to solve it.

6) As with all businesses management has the final say, pinky was the manager of that "business". You know with your job if you disagree with your boss you should talk to the boss directly rather then with all co-workers. If your solution is discussing it with others and bad mouthing the boss your job is gone. It looks like the posting that was done via message board instead of PM did that here. It was made public and discussed with all other members/co-workers so out the door.

7) The issue of things becoming where paid subscription is required is a case that becomes a losing situation for some but at least not all. Once again with your business experience you know cost of business changes so raising of funds has to at times too. The membership fee can be charged and some no longer able to be members or keep it free and no money to keep the site/fan club running and NOBODY able to have access.

8) You state how the corporation you work for does everything to help everybody and treat them equal. MOST places do that when they can but fanclubs and websites like these are not huge companies and really do not profit so it is hard to work with all the less fortunate. The sites and fanclubs still cost money to run and websites and internet services are not cheap and with a lot of them really are not worth it. If you think alan and pinky are making fortunes from these sites I hate to tell you that is not the case. This is also the reason they only go so far with complaints that drag on, as it is not worth it and in the end is a lot cheaper to ban the problems. No that doesnt make it totally correct but look at both sides. The websites we are discussing are not major companies

I stated before I enjoy working with alan and being a member of his staff see things on both sides. Members do not have ANY clue what goes on behind the site. The site I help alan with is totally free to all members, does that mean he is provided everything free? Well the answer is NO, so what is done other then come up with ideas to raise money and a main source is getting businesses or other websites to post links on your site or if there is an online store to make a little but as alan has seen so many people say the will buy items, he then pays to have the items produced out of his pocket then when people change their mind it is at his expense until they others eventually sell. I see all the complaints come in and (including when jeff was part) and if things dont work out they can only be dealt with for so long. In the time of alans site existing there have been 3-5 times things were not corrected and people banned. Also make note that help is needed and if his help has to put up with this by the hour he will lose help too. ALL of the staff alan has help him is vounteer time. Non of this is seen by others and have no clue what is involved. There are plenty of members that think it would be amazing and so cool to be staff but all for a title, once involved plenty quit or just do nothing and are eventually removed.

So 24, it seems like things could have been done different and possible worked out a little differently. But, you still need to think of the facts I mentioned above and understand the parts not seen. There is also another big difference between you and jeff in that you are not as low as he is and you have not let it runi your life. In the end this is not a huge factor of your life that is going to kill you in the end like it is ready to do with jeff. Do you have any interest and really want to be allowed back on the boards or fanclub?

John, Tony and Art, you are so immature all of you you all must be kids. You can't spell, you can't speak, and you can't even think straight.

Don't you dare rob me Art.

We have the proof the hacking was done by echomusic. I wrote Pinky, and his real name is Jonathan Jansen. We also have his real address and we can visit him to see why he did this.

Well some freinds turn out to be not so good friends? Right? I am sure we have all had that happen, people that trick other people? Sound familiar Art?

Well at least you admitted to hacking us Art. That is the first step, now all we have to do is get back on track.

Well I am not going to have any luck with recovering files. My computer didn't work any more after the hacking and I had to garbage it.

Why are you talking about butts again, thats all you ever do with me is try to get me to talk about buts, but that will not work.

I've got a few new things I am working on her to add to the proof. If you guys would not post for more then 4 minutes I could actually look over the proof and show you why it is true and important.

For gosh sake I am not bipolar you crazed shrink.

Avril Lavigne , Celine Dion,Shania Twain, Micheal Buble, Nelly Furtado, David Foster, Joni Mitchell, and Sum 41, and countless other groups totally outsell your lame attempts. Wow you have Micheal Jackson a petofile ....wow good job criminals. And you have Paris Hilton a porn star that does nothing good and is famous, and Britney, wow she is amazing the way she doesn't wear her underwear, you guys must be so proud of your artists...you don't see Canadians acting like that.

Kelly Clarkson ROCKS tho, and she does love Canada... so she rules.

I never have been/never will have any guilt, unlike you guys. We do have new proof coming. All the stuff we have on you is 100% real unlike all that doctored bs from you guys.

One last time, me and 24 were both hacked by the head of the KellyClarkson/ Terri Clark fan club . Same person, same company, same time, same situation. It's 100% legit...don't try to get out of it when we have proof. There is clearly support coming in for me now. If you can't see it, I guess you are just not reading the posts.

All I mean is that children can't spell, so I think all of you could be under the age of 12.

Also your friend John is very sexually perverted. Sexual talking from Art, Alan, Pinky, John, Tony , Morgan or any of the people at ECHO are absolutely not allowed to post more sexual comments on here. It is not permitted.

John, Tony and Art, you are so immature all of you you all must be kids. You can't spell, you can't speak, and you can't even think straight.

Don't you dare rob me Art.

We have the proof the hacking was done by echomusic. I wrote Pinky, and his real name is Jonathan Jansen. We also have his real address and we can visit him to see why he did this.

Well some freinds turn out to be not so good friends? Right? I am sure we have all had that happen, people that trick other people? Sound familiar Art?

Well at least you admitted to hacking us Art. That is the first step, now all we have to do is get back on track.

Well I am not going to have any luck with recovering files. My computer didn't work any more after the hacking and I had to garbage it.

Why are you talking about butts again, thats all you ever do with me is try to get me to talk about buts, but that will not work.

I've got a few new things I am working on her to add to the proof. If you guys would not post for more then 4 minutes I could actually look over the proof and show you why it is true and important.

For gosh sake I am not bipolar you crazed shrink.

Avril Lavigne , Celine Dion,Shania Twain, Micheal Buble, Nelly Furtado, David Foster, Joni Mitchell, and Sum 41, and countless other groups totally outsell your lame attempts. Wow you have Micheal Jackson a petofile ....wow good job criminals. And you have Paris Hilton a porn star that does nothing good and is famous, and Britney, wow she is amazing the way she doesn't wear her underwear, you guys must be so proud of your artists...you don't see Canadians acting like that.

Kelly Clarkson ROCKS tho, and she does love Canada... so she rules.

I never have been/never will have any guilt, unlike you guys. We do have new proof coming. All the stuff we have on you is 100% real unlike all that doctored bs from you guys.

One last time, me and 24 were both hacked by the head of the KellyClarkson/ Terri Clark fan club . Same person, same company, same time, same situation. It's 100% legit...don't try to get out of it when we have proof. There is clearly support coming in for me now. If you can't see it, I guess you are just not reading the posts.

All I mean is that children can't spell, so I think all of you could be under the age of 12.

Also your friend John is very sexually perverted. Sexual talking from Art, Alan, Pinky, John, Tony , Morgan or any of the people at ECHO are absolutely not allowed to post more sexual comments on here. It is not permitted.

John, Tony and Art, you are so immature all of you you all must be kids. You can't spell, you can't speak, and you can't even think straight.

Don't you dare rob me Art.

We have the proof the hacking was done by echomusic. I wrote Pinky, and his real name is Jonathan Jansen. We also have his real address and we can visit him to see why he did this.

Well some freinds turn out to be not so good friends? Right? I am sure we have all had that happen, people that trick other people? Sound familiar Art?

Well at least you admitted to hacking us Art. That is the first step, now all we have to do is get back on track.

Well I am not going to have any luck with recovering files. My computer didn't work any more after the hacking and I had to garbage it.

Why are you talking about butts again, thats all you ever do with me is try to get me to talk about buts, but that will not work.

I've got a few new things I am working on her to add to the proof. If you guys would not post for more then 4 minutes I could actually look over the proof and show you why it is true and important.

For gosh sake I am not bipolar you crazed shrink.

Avril Lavigne , Celine Dion,Shania Twain, Micheal Buble, Nelly Furtado, David Foster, Joni Mitchell, and Sum 41, and countless other groups totally outsell your lame attempts. Wow you have Micheal Jackson a petofile ....wow good job criminals. And you have Paris Hilton a porn star that does nothing good and is famous, and Britney, wow she is amazing the way she doesn't wear her underwear, you guys must be so proud of your artists...you don't see Canadians acting like that.

Kelly Clarkson ROCKS tho, and she does love Canada... so she rules.

I never have been/never will have any guilt, unlike you guys. We do have new proof coming. All the stuff we have on you is 100% real unlike all that doctored bs from you guys.

One last time, me and 24 were both hacked by the head of the KellyClarkson/ Terri Clark fan club . Same person, same company, same time, same situation. It's 100% legit...don't try to get out of it when we have proof. There is clearly support coming in for me now. If you can't see it, I guess you are just not reading the posts.

All I mean is that children can't spell, so I think all of you could be under the age of 12.

Also your friend John is very sexually perverted. Sexual talking from Art, Alan, Pinky, John, Tony , Morgan or any of the people at ECHO are absolutely not allowed to post more sexual comments on here. It is not permitted.

John, Tony and Art, you are so immature all of you you all must be kids. You can't spell, you can't speak, and you can't even think straight.

Don't you dare rob me Art.

We have the proof the hacking was done by echomusic. I wrote Pinky, and his real name is Jonathan Jansen. We also have his real address and we can visit him to see why he did this.

Well some freinds turn out to be not so good friends? Right? I am sure we have all had that happen, people that trick other people? Sound familiar Art?

Well at least you admitted to hacking us Art. That is the first step, now all we have to do is get back on track.

Well I am not going to have any luck with recovering files. My computer didn't work any more after the hacking and I had to garbage it.

Why are you talking about butts again, thats all you ever do with me is try to get me to talk about buts, but that will not work.

I've got a few new things I am working on her to add to the proof. If you guys would not post for more then 4 minutes I could actually look over the proof and show you why it is true and important.

For gosh sake I am not bipolar you crazed shrink.

Avril Lavigne , Celine Dion,Shania Twain, Micheal Buble, Nelly Furtado, David Foster, Joni Mitchell, and Sum 41, and countless other groups totally outsell your lame attempts. Wow you have Micheal Jackson a petofile ....wow good job criminals. And you have Paris Hilton a porn star that does nothing good and is famous, and Britney, wow she is amazing the way she doesn't wear her underwear, you guys must be so proud of your artists...you don't see Canadians acting like that.

Kelly Clarkson ROCKS tho, and she does love Canada... so she rules.

I never have been/never will have any guilt, unlike you guys. We do have new proof coming. All the stuff we have on you is 100% real unlike all that doctored bs from you guys.

One last time, me and 24 were both hacked by the head of the KellyClarkson/ Terri Clark fan club . Same person, same company, same time, same situation. It's 100% legit...don't try to get out of it when we have proof. There is clearly support coming in for me now. If you can't see it, I guess you are just not reading the posts.

All I mean is that children can't spell, so I think all of you could be under the age of 12.

Also your friend John is very sexually perverted. Sexual talking from Art, Alan, Pinky, John, Tony , Morgan or any of the people at ECHO are absolutely not allowed to post more sexual comments on here. It is not permitted.

Below are logs I found on Jeff gets really weird, and gets really shocking, the rest is all Jeff below (This one is on an Alicia Silverstone Blog, calls himself "jeffstacky"):

forums.comingsoon.net/archive/index.php/t-12276.html

04-24-2003, 06:38 PM
Has Any body seen J -LO in Kamloops BC? Man I am not gonna stalk her at all but I would give anything to see those buns!!!

Tell me if you see her!!

From Jeff

04-25-2003, 05:25 AM
HAHAAHHAHHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!

Very Hilarious!!!

That's the only pic that anyone ever sends me...out of the billions of hot hot sexy sexy alicia pics you just happen to send that one.....It's ok I take it with a grain of salt....

You want sexy I'll give you super hella sex kitten sexy!!! How you you post picture I want to show you something!!!


From Jeff:clown: :rolleyes: ;)

04-25-2003, 05:03 PM
Can somebody explian how you put a picture on here I am seriously gonna prove everyone totally wong....all of us have had a bad pic taken right?

Anyways I like anything that is in Alicia mouth!

From Jeff:applaud:

04-25-2003, 09:48 PM
I see a lot has gone on here in the last couple hours!!!

You guys settle down... I know Alicia is hot but I didn't know you would be spending every waking hour here!!!

Anyways yes Iben thanks for the lovely pics!!!

Very lovely as always!!!!!

From Jeff:applaud:

PS: Anyone that puts hooooot pics of Alicia should never be banned!:eek:

PPS: CHECK OUT THE THREAD EVER MET A CELEBRITY?:);)

I met lots!

PSSS: Has anyone in Vancouver seen Alicia? There has been a lot of sightings!!!!

04-27-2003, 08:04 PM
hey there I have alicia porn

so you have any ?
From Jeff

:eek:

04-28-2003, 04:53 PM
Hehe lol ya ya sure it is !

LOLLLLLLLL


Anyways I was trying to get a reaction!...hehe


Anyways... Ya like I have alicia porn;) ;)

JeffStacky
04-30-2003, 05:57 PM
Yup this thread is on fire no matter what anybody says...I really didn't know that Alicia would be such a debated topic...I have fun here....

Um did you all check out the new pics I found OMG they could not be hotter!

Oh ya I am trying to buy Alicia's Panties the pink ones (most famous) in the Rolling Stone photos...if anyone knows there whereabouts I would love to buy them

Thanks

From Jeff

05-01-2003, 03:24 PM
First off I am not a stalker I could have met Alicia many times but didn't... I wanted to meet her tho yes but I could have seen her many times in NY and Toronto as well...anyways every person has thier special type and mine is Alicia.

Don't run too Far lol

Peace Jeff

05-02-2003, 05:53 AM
Very funny guys I have proof I am not a stalker...I saw Vanilla Ice at a club in Vancouver and after it I saw Alicia there....I didn't know what to do....so I left without saying anything to her.....I wanted to have a perfect moment with her and I just gave up a perfect chance to meet the girl of my dreams....I am so heartbroken...

From Jeff:( :( :( :( :( :( :( :( :( :(

05-02-2003, 09:06 PM
Originally posted by Kris Hodgson
My question is......what the hell is Alicia Silverstone doing at a Vanilla Ice Concert? What the hell is ANYONE doing at a Vanilla Ice Concert?!?!?!!

Kris Kris...girls love Robert Van Winkle....They want him bad...not sure why she was there....I was there to basically see a hip hop legend up close and personal... I was kinda hoping to see Alicia somewhere other then there....but that is life....

I just had an amazing dream about Alicia because I was so sad to miss the oppertunity to meet her.

In my dream I got to finally meet her...It was amazing her eyes were ever more beautiful in person and her nose was twice as cute. Her lips were pouty and wet..:heart: She didn't want to have anything to do with me at first and barely answered my questions, but when I relaxed around her and my true feelings about her came out she realized that everything I had to say was coming straight from my heart....she then started to relax and realized that I was not some "Stalker" or crazed fan and that I was cool and nice and she even started to enjoy my company... she realized that my love was real for her.

She was doing plays in the dream which I think was a reference to "The Graduate" and see also was having a special anniversary talk about "Clueless"

If dreams mean anything, this may be a good sign and she is even more prettier in person.:heart: :heart: (if that is possible!):heart: :heart:

Peace out YUP YUP,

From Jeff

05-04-2003, 07:09 PM
Originally posted by Clark Savage Jr
No offence meant Jeff, but are you out of your frickin mind? Even being older, BO is 100 times hotter than Pam or Anna.

Pam is so fake looking it's unbeleivable. There is more plastic in her than a Mattel toy factory....and makeup, Tammy Fay Baker borrows from her when she runs out.

Anna Nicole has one of two expressions on her face at all times. First she looks like a Downs Syndrome kid just given a shiny new toy, or second, she looks like a one year old dooing doody in her pants.

Bo is classy. Sure her movies suck, but I'm talking about the woman herself. She is a real...natural...beautiful...woman. Those other two need to take lessons from her.

I thought that since you appreciated the beauty and sweetness of Alicia so much you would be against the artificial trailer trash set.

Oh well, I'll still keep a look out for ya...happy hunting.


Awwww Clark I am not against you...I am with you... totally...I never have enemies...just freinds...or alicia fan pals, or celeb fan pals...whatever the case may be.

If you can't find Alicia...which is the main task can you please look out for her panties ...oh man that would rule to have them!

Also, I have a new strategy ok basically I am looking for people who know Alicia personally...( a cousin, friend, third cousin twice removed...whatever) If so , I would like to talk to you. I want to chat with you and then hopefully we can be friends and then you can help my dream of meeting Alicia become a reality.

So ya if you know Alicia or her family or friends....or her half sister kazi or her brother ben(all in the entertainment industry), please write me! I am just a fan with a big dream...Please try to help me....


Take Care Clark...

PS:....OK Pam sucks..... wayyyyy too fake... the b***s are nice but she is kinda lame, Anna Nicole is nasty as hell and sucks bad...and Bo... well ok ...she is old but I didn't say she sucked...she is classy...it's all good. (agreed?)

From Alicia's biggest fan

Jeff

PPS: Thanks everyone who is keeping a look out for me! THX!

:applaud: :eek: :D :) :p :funny: :grin: :heart: :clapper:

JeffStacky
05-13-2003, 05:38 AM
Originally posted by Heavenllee
LOL!

Don't worry I won't stalk you Heavenlee....unless you are Alicia hehehehehe

Totally Kidding

From Jeff:clown: :clown: :clown:

05-16-2003, 02:54 AM
Originally posted by evilsquishy
You really gotta wonder why this guy can't get a date except for over the internet......

Hey lots of girls find me hot and sexy and cute ....I think they get mad when I talk about Alicia though... Anyways a lot of people find dates of the internet these days...it's not like it's a new concept.

From Jeff ( the sexy hot guy without a date and no Alicia to boot)

:) ;) :) ;) :) ;) :) ;) :) ;)

06-02-2003, 12:47 AM
ohhhhhhhhhhhh perfect....I think my brain would be so happy all wrapped in perfection....alicia is the perfect drug.

Thanks again Clark,
From Jeff.

JeffStacky
06-05-2003, 07:10 PM
Yes I love you Heavenlee you are like alicia I bet and I love that!!! maybe you could come over sometime if you like...if not send me a pic....I will be waiting hunny sweet buns.

I dunno yet guys if Heavenlee loves me or if there is a love connection yet... not sure...maybe it's up to heavenlee my sweetie pie.

06-21-2003, 09:50 PM
I know what you are saying but I am very shy and the only gurl that I can really love is a girl that I don't really know and I picked alicia to be that special girl ...I know she isn't with me and of course most guys wish she was , but the point is that I need a girl and I don't have one so I think about alicia more then I should I guess, but I am just her #1 fan and yes I do feel I love her more then anyone I know, but I don't know many people and for the people I do know,...none of them are female and I am a virgin ok ...so ya... I am handsome nice sexy 27 and a virgin... I am not upset with myself I just wish I could go to bed with alicia each night and not just go to bed with a stinking picture.

Anyways, I am sure there are other guys that feel similar to me, it's hard to admit, but I have not had sex, and I want to and alicia is part of my life...even tho I don't know her.

From Jeff

06-24-2003, 03:30 AM
Originally posted by Clark Savage Jr
A word of advice Jeff....when you see a girl you like, take a deep breath, count to 30 in a leisurely pace, then slowly let it out. Go over to her, look her in the eyes, and say.....Hi.

If she doesn't turn away in disgust (it could happen for any number of reasons)....start a slow, low key conversation about something in your general area. Jumping into a conversation talking too fast or loud scares people.....work on talking slow (not slow enough to be thought retarded though).

I know that interaction with the opposite sex can be scarey. For some people, talking to a girl and not scaring her off and making yourself look idiotic isn't easy. The best way not to do this is....be calm.

And as for Alicia....she's cute to me....but too young. I like the older women more (since I'm about to turn 46 you may get why).

Good luck bud. :)

Well I am good looking , nice , a virgin, sweet ,and caring, so what else does a girl want... I guess more then me.

I think they like bad boys. Not nice caring lovable guys...but then again I never talk to girls so it's hard for them to know what they are missing.

Like I met this girl today and omg I mean I don't like her at all. She "DID" 11 guys behind her bf's back (at different times) in the last year and she tells me if he finds out she will cry because she loves him to much... I mean like omg she is 18... she "DID" it lots with tons of guys, I have never held a girls hand or flirted at all and I am 26! (27 on JULY 11th!) It makes me feel bad that girls don't want me bad like they want the other guys... plus there is nothing wrong with me except for the nervousness. I am not "slow" not fast, just about right I think...if I could talk. I will try the deep breath count to 30 and let it out slowly approach... I really think it may help me somewhat. Calm is the key word I need to remember. I'll try that out on girls I see...it ain't gonna work when and if I meet alicia tho...I am gonna either die, or make myself look like a super freak.

Well I like the cutie pie celeb girls not too old I like them 20ish.

Well I hope I am not a virgin too much longer ....if Alicia sees this I just hope that she may want to help me out with the problem...that would be the best way to go from virgin to NON virgin ... when I make the transition.

Thanks Clarke!!!:cool: :cool: :cool: :cool:

07-26-2003, 09:56 PM
Well over at the celebs and stalking thread there is some dissing going on and I thought that people who like me and alicia over here would like to hear some dope lyrics that I wrote for that thread so without further ado,
here is

FUCCK OFF

By Jeff Stackhouse

((((((right on man (and a stupid clapping icon)
NEVER SAY DIE (varian's tag)
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JeffStacky
Best Boy
Registered: Apr 2003
Location: mission B.C.
Posts: 185))))))

Varian don't clap I have a life
blah blah all of you don't know me
yah thats right
so I love alicia and all of you
what are you scared I will stalk you too?
Come on make sense I wanted her panties when I was a teen,
If she wanted to give me them now I would say no "that's obscene"

So to any of you that think I am a stalker or think that I am gay and have sex with Paul Walker

You better relax because I am not a bad person, I don't stalk, I don't suck and I don't like cursein'

I never say die cause Varian told me not too,
So peace out, have a nice day, and here's a big FUCCK you!


From Jeff
__________________


Remember that is just for the haters and not for the people who truly do care about me and it goes out to all alicia fans as well!

From Jeff

__________________

07-31-2003, 06:34 PM
Originally posted by Rebecca
Seriously Jeff, i understand what you are saying but, you did say that you don't understand why no one else loves Alicia the way you do! maybe it is because they don't see Alicia the way you do. And yes, i'm sure that you are a sweet guy, but people have there own tastes in men and women.take me for example, i like both men and women. i really like Kirsten Dunst, but i'm not going to obsses over her. other people on here have there own choice.we all know how much you love her but, maybe they find it weird that you are loving someone who they are not interested in at all. If it means something to ya, i think Alicia has nice eyes.;)

Oh cool you like men and woman! SWEET! Invite a gal if you want and come see me I would like that very much...I am a virgin tho so be slow ok ? Ya KD is a cute I like her as well...don't obsess over her tho. Awwwwwwww Ya Alicia's eyes are dreamy ...I love them so much...green too ...so rare!

I love blondes with green eyes I think that is my fave thing!

Anyways thanks for your post...take care sweets...

From Jeff

Originally posted by Rebecca
Jeff, you really need to stop telling people how much of a virgin you are.It's cool and all but, chill a little bit kay? don't worry, i'm not hate'n on you. why don't you post a pic. of yourself on this thread. i really want to see what you look like............please??????????

I don't like being a virgin!
Can't you come over sometime and see me or somthing , not ta do me , but just to hug me or something?

Well I'll send you a pic...it's pretty good, but I want better ones cause I took it of me myself and well I just put out my arm and took the pic it's kinda distorted cause I look better then in the pic in real life but en ways I took just one pic and that is all I have. My camera broke as soon as I got it and it was a prize so like I am screwed.


Rebecca when are you gonna start sending me e mails?

Sorry about talking about being a virgin but hey what can I say it's true and I want to not be one.

From Jeff
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First off everyone, I will now refer to Jeff as Uncle Jeff since he is a molester. Yes John I agree, Uncle Jeff is probably a member of the NAMBLA.

Uncle Jeff claims I am 12 years old. Sorry Uncle Jeff I am not 12 years old, I am over the age of 19. I know Uncle Jeff too bad, eh? we all know you like to get turned on by underage boys and girls, eh?

Uncle Jeff you are really sick in the head.

Uncle Jeff have you seen the online petition against you? It is called "No More Jeff Stackhouse" it is on a domain called "petition spot." It appears Uncle Jeff that you have a lot of people upset with you, that think your a pervert and a pedophile. I can see that Alan and Art are not the only people out there that have had to deal with you. I think I will sign the petition, as I don't like what Uncle Jeff is doing to people or minors online.

And that's what keeps you coming back isn't it? You are so aroused right now you don't know what to do. I'm sure you rub one out right after reading his posts. It can be seem in your stuttering posts. Tony will never join you in your nambla group pedoboy.

I really laugh that you are so blind and were robbed another $30. It just proves you still dont understand to this date.

Can you please explain hacked to me? I honestly dont think you have any clue what that means or what it would take. Do you understand cookies (not the kind cookie monster eats) and where they come from? If you have not run disk cleanup on your computer that recently check your cookie file and you will have in excess of 25,000. I am sure any porno one or kelly related were planted by someone who "hacked" into yours.

If the documents about you and your postings are fake on other message boards you should be even more concerned there then the issue taking place here and be going after those people legally. With the comments being posted it makes you look even worse then here and has your name out there saying go after your friends for slander, what great friends. The only thing that shows this wrong is all message boards can be track postings and they were tracked to your ip address. Being provided an ip address or having your ip address from a posting doesnt mean you were hacked either. If you know the least bit you can pull a persons ip address from any email sent to you. Get out your ip addresses and track them. There are all sorts of sites on the internet that let you track them for free. OH, I forgot when alan pinky and I hacked your computer we deleted those too. If you had so much info that was deleted you can get it back. go buy the program called getdataback by runtime and it can recover files that were there even if your computer was formatted. It takes a true HARD (that is a type of format) format to erase everything and make it not recoverable. See there I am trying to help you and I have had great luck with the program.

I also like that you have now changed tony to the hacker. Just your computer or your computer email and myspaces? I like your url on myspace being holla4bob with bob being butts

Also know that I, alan, tony, pinky, morgan and most every other person posting on this site know there is the side of you that you dont seem to know yourself, as has been said either biploar or split personality.

I like your challenge and would love to take you on if you want to make a battle of countries, whether law or music. How can you forget Kelly Clarkson and Carrie Underwood both americans and doing quiet well. Do you want to make list to compare? Dont even start another issue or try starting something to hide your other guilt.

If everyone from the fan club, other then pinky and alan, thought you were amazing and they are both gone you should NOT have ANY problem getting back in, so try it and send another $30 to lose.

Please get the real inside stuff on echo and provide links, but not to ones you or your friends make fake postings under echos name like they did to you (lmao).

One last time know that 24 being banned and you being banned are NOT related. Different people, different situations, different fan clubs, different people, and I believe 24 said she is NOT defending you she is just pointing out her experience with echo. So NO support from her and only a company name in common.

check out the program it truly is amazing with recovering files and pictures.

(((ROR REDACTED)))

ps: with all the complaining you do and hpw you always say this is a professional site and criticize others just know your grammar and spelling is terrible in these postings.


CLICK here to see why Rip-off Report, as a matter of policy, deleted either a phone number, link or e-mail address from this Report.

Ok guys,
Here is some of what I have. There is alot more where this came from. Notice the dates on the posts from Terri's website and the dates from Pinkys letters. Queen is my best friend.
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WELL,, I HAVE TALKED WITH SEVERAL PEOPLE WHO SAY THEY DID'NT REALIZE QUEEN & ME HAD BEEN BANNED FROM THE TERRI CLARK ONLINE FC AND OTHERS SAY THEY DON'T UNDERSTAND IT. WELL, NEITHER DO WE. SO, I WILL POST ALL THE INFO HERE ON THIS THREAD FOR ALL TO SEE. I WILL TELL YOU THAT THE FIRST PM WE RECIEVED FROM PINKY WAS SENT TO 8 FC MEMBERS WITH DEAR QUEEN IN ALL OF THEM.
THE PM WAS SENT TO ALL OF US WHO REPLYED TO A POST THAT QUEEN MADE AND SAID THE WORD "s**t" AND TO LET YOU KNOW,, AFTER SENDING US A PM,, HE THEN MAKES A BOARD RULES AND GUIDELINES LOCKED THREAD ON THE TC FORUM.
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Hey 24,
I just sent a letter to you that was incorrectly
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Originally Sent : 8/22/2004 11:07:20 PM GMT by 24
HEY PINKY,,

NO OFFENSE TOWARDS YOU IN ANYWAY OK..YOU ARE
DOING THE JOB YOU WERE HIRED TO DO. NEITHER
QUEEN NOR ME WANT A REFUND FROM THE FAN CLUB AND
NEITHER HAVE WE SAID THAT.
THERE ARE THINGS THAT ARE UPSETTING ALOT OF FC
MEMBERS THESE DAYS,,ESPECIALLY US MEMBERS WHO
HAVE BEEN INVOLVED WITH HER CLUB FOR YEARS..I
HAVE BEEN IN TERRI'S FC FOR 9 YEARS..I REALIZE
ALOT OF PEOPLE DON'T LIKE CHANGE,, BUT HAVING
TERRI'S FC ONLY ONLINE IS DISAPPOINTING TO US.
YOU HAVE TO UNDERSTAND THAT,, WE ALWAYS LOOKED
FORWARD TO RECIEVING NEWSLETTERS BY MAIL,,AND
FAN CLUB PACKETS WITH OUR RENEWALS..WELL, NOW
THAT IS ALL HISTORY AND ALL WE HAVE IS A MESSAGE
BOARD AND CHAT WHICH USED TO BE FREE. YES, WE
ENJOY THE LIVE JOURNALS,,BUT RAISING THE FC
MEMBERSHIP AND NOT RECIEVING ANYTHING IN THE
MAIL ANYMORE AND HAVE TO PAY TO READ MESSAGES N
SO FORTH WAS JUST SPRUNG ON US ALL WITHOUT
WARNING. THAT IS NOT YOUR FAULT,, THAT SHOULD
HAVE BEEN TAKEN CARE OF BY CINDY OR DONNA BEFORE
THE NEW FAN CLUB CHANGES TOOK PLACE..
ALL TERRI CLARK FAN CLUB MEMBERS SHOULD HAVE
BEEN SENT THE SAME LETTER INFORMING US OF THE
CHANGES....
IN MY OPINION,, THIS IS ONLY GONNA HURT TC'S FC.
I WANT ONLY THE BEST FOR HER.. AFTER ALL, THAT'S
WHY WE'RE ALL HERE ON THE BOARD.. WE ARE FANS!!
AND QUEEN JUST USED THE WORD ::s**t"" AS
REFRENCE TO SOMETHING.. I MEAN LOOK AT SOME OF
TERRI'S JOURNALS.. SHE CUSSED IN SEVERAL OF
THEM,, AND PEOPLE WILL BE VIEWING THAT..
SO, I DON'T WANT YOU TO TAKE ALL THIS PERSONAL
LIKE I SAID BEFORE..
THANK YOU ON BEHALF OF ME AND QUEEN..
24
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Posted 8/22/2004 5:24 PM
I understand completely, 24. By no means is it
our intention to upset Terri's most loyal and
longest-lasting fans, and we really appreciate
your efforts to make the best of the change.
While there certainly is a difference between an
online club vs. off, I can tell you that the
offline club was in terrible disaray when Terri
hired us to revamp the club. We're now able to
respond to virtually every request, online and
off, in addition to producing videos (not just
journals), the upcoming voicemail messages from
Terri, a far superior meet and greet system and
VIP tickets, as soon as she's off the road with
Toby. Top that with monthly eNewsletters and a
well-maintained online community, and the result
is a more enjoyable, more valuable experience
for everyone here.
I think our biggest concern recently is that a
few members have felt the need to start negative
conversations ABOUT the club on the board,
including the issue with censorship. We're not
editing posts randomly. We're only editing
those that are either intended to rally fans
against the new changes, include swearing, or do
not meet the very basic requests we've listed in
the "Board Guidelines" post. Anyone who has
sent us comments or questions directly, via PM,
has been responded to. We've taken several
suggestions into consideration and will continue
to expand and improve the benefits of membership
for everyone involved.
Thanks again for your input and for responding
to us directly. If you'd ever like to share
your concerns or ask us a question, we're here
for you. As a longtime member of Terri's club,
we'd sure appreciate your help building and
maintaining a club that everyone can enjoy.


Warmest Regards,
Pinky Gonzales
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NOW,, HERE IS THE POST THAT GOT THAT GOING.. ALL CAUSE QUEEN SAID "s**t"
Hang in there tiger and take good care of yourself. I am sure you are having the time of your life, but there are times where you need time just for you. I hope you get to have some solitude on the road, and that you are getting plenty of rest to balance out your work time and play time. I am sure you have some days that you feel like "s**t" lol's, and that there are times that you would love to live that "normal life". I feel for you going all the time, and trying to stay up for every concert and feel good about yourself day in and day out with everyone wathcing you all the time. Always remember that TERRI is human with feelings. and a BIG passionate heart. Take care of yourself, and know that we all want you to keep a STRONG head on your shoulders, and STAND your ground in every situation that comes along your way. Stay TRUE to TERRI no matter what!
Later, love and light, Shaunda "Queen"

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Re: FYI..TCFC INFO!
Reply #1 on Jun 24, 2005, 9:52am

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HERE IS A COPY OF THE POST THAT WAS MADE IN NOVEMBER.
Yvonne, Pinky , Donna and others in the organization,

I have heard and read so many negative feedbacks from chat and the message board about threatening letters "which I have received one myself not to long ago" about if you don't like this format then we will reimburse you in full. I really don't want another letter like that sent to me just for voicing my opinion. So here it goes!

I work with a Corporation and the company is HUGE World wide. We know who to go to and who is in charge of certain areas with our company. Why is it that when these fans ask questions they get the run around that "we are not in charge of that". That to me is not customer satisfaction. I know for a fact if I said that to one of my customers I would have a "pink slip" or a door to hit me in my tush. So therefore it would be professional of you all to let these fans know each others title and what you can help them with in the future instead of the fans getting the run around. I for one would make sure that Dave would be able to enter another contest " and you make sure he is eintered" instead of telling him to try again.... That's just my opinion.

The other question that has been roaming around with frustration is why are the tour dates not updated on "The Fan SITE" before they are posted on other sites or tickets have already gone on sale?

Here is another question. Why can't the fans NO longer receive a picture, key chain, bumper sticker or magnet when joining the fan club? There are members that are leaving due to the fact of something so little that is so BIG to them...... Me I don't care about receiving any of these items, but there are die hard fans in this fan club that it is a BIG DEAL and they are upset that they are being charged for the online news, message board, and chat that used to be FREE. Therefore nothing has taken the place of the items that used to be received as a fan club member.

I for one can say just send out something to the fans. There are people that have been a Terri Clark fan from day one that are paying their dues but do not have a computer. Think about the ones that still support Terri but can't not afford to be online. It's nice to go forth with the future, but always remember the ones that are less fortunate are the ones that are not being able to enjoy and stay updated with Terri's career. For exampel there is a lady that is in Terri's fan club that is disabled and is on a fixed income, and does not have a computer or even access to a computer. She has paid her money to join the fan club only to find out a couple months later that she will not be receiving items that she did in the past with her membership. With my profession I face circumstances with families every day where one family can afford everything and the other family has no resources. I make sure that every family it treated equal and they will have customer satisfaction. Every human being deserves that NO MATTER WHAT is written in BLACK and WHITE.

I am just sharing others frustrations that will not come forth, but I will take my chance of getting a letter saying that I am no longer able to be a part of this site. These are just basic questions that need to be addressed.
Thanks for your time and understanding.

Sincerely, Shaunda "Queen"
God Bless You all
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NOW,, I REPLYED AGREEING WITH QUEEN,, AND I WAS AMOUNG 30 OTHERS REPLYING,, BUT ONLY US 2 WERE BANNED.

NOW,,, YOU JOIN A FC TO SUPPORT AN ARTIST,, NOT TO BE RIDICULED OVER YOUR OPINION.
LATER, 2 FRIENDS OF OURS WERE SUSPENDED FROM THE FC, CAUSE THEY TOOK UP FOR US.
IS THIS A WAY TO RUN A FC? HERE IS THE EMAILS WE GOT ABOUT OUR BANNING.

I regret to inform you that your account on
TerriClark.com has been discontinued. On August 22nd we
had a conversation via private message in which you had
an opportunity to express your concerns about the new
club. I explained that the current format was chosen by,
and ultimately managed by, Terri herself. You agreed to
keep things positive on the board, and to communicate
with the site administrators directly if you had a
grievance. Instead, you have chosen to air your
complaints publicly, inciting negative conversations
about the club itself and criticizing those who manage
the club. I am truly sorry that it has come to this, but
with Terri's consent, along with her management company
and all three site administrators, you have been
permanently banned from the Terri Clark Fan Club.
Queen has been removed for the same reason. I'm sorry
it didn't work out.
Pinky Gonzales

Art, I do think it should come to an end, yes, but like I said, I made the report and it is up to me to monitor it and respond to lies or truths, whatever comes up.

Art you had a TON of sexual problems when I talked to you on msn, please don't deny that fact. I am sorry to tell you Art that you are lying, if you didn't realize it.

Sorry Alan has no documents on me. And Art has none. Also there are no Disney documents unless they are fakes.

If I DID say anything to anyone I CLEARLY did NOT know the AGES, AND was TRICKED by ART, CLEARLY TRICKED. I REMEMBER THIS CLEARLY!

Yes you should apologize to me and to the school Art. Thank you for that. ( at least)

Ya Kelly is a great person and I am sure the school would like to learn more about Kelly.

Hey Art, it takes 2 to tango and you are Alan are actually making things WORSE. If you want to stop be my guest.


What does "notice none of us have nothing compared to jeff" even mean???, Art, you can't even put together a proper sentence. I am a University graduate at the top of my class 2 years in a row. I know I am smarter then all 3 of you combined.

I have a good question, what are people who can't spell or even make sense working for someone like Kelly Clarkson in the first place.

Kelly if you want your sentences on your site to make sense hire me and ditch the criminals.

Hello there KarenMarie,

I am Jeff.

Well if we could get somewhere the rest would have come long ago, right?

No, nothing I have ever said online has or will ever be close to being criminal. I will speak my mind yes, but it will never be sexist or not nice.

Actually I am just fine Karen... make sure to not belive everything you hear online.

A lot of people say Kelly Clarkson is a l*****n, but I know she is not, but there will always be a few people out there that will try to make it look like she is one... you sort of have you use your own brain.

Well you could be in a mental institute for all I know so your comments have no merit.

I have a TON of self respect. These guys just make me respect myself more and more the more they say about me.

Karen, I don't think Tony Art and Alan are even adults ,they can't be the adults if they are not even of age.

I agree Alan Art and Tony are very immature. I try to tell them to not reply but they do over and over again, then because it's my report, I am sort of obligated to reply.. even if what they say is totally ridiculous.

Ya, no doubt, at least I proofread and make sense, they can't even spell "the" or "nelly".

I am certainly not immature.

Pinky, well, he is who I should have asked to talk to in the beginning, we have his real name, address and all of that so it will be looked into.

I agree, that these three people ( who claim to be adults) are very very immature.

Not that I am taking the low road here, but I wish they would do like you said and be responsible adults.

Thank you for your comment, you did get some of it wrong, but a lot about Alan Art and Tony was right on the money.

Tony are you by any chance a 12 year old? You sound very immature and you are also very annoying.

No I didn't post any Alicia blogs.

Please say Nelly's name right NELLY FURTADO... you U.S. people.. gosh.

I went to the US all I saw was GIANT NELLY posters down there.. show us the love the rest of the US does please folks.

I have never lied once on here and never will. I promise you all that.

Never said Sexual stuff... too bad it didn't happen.

24 knows the lies of the Kelly Clarkson fan club, she has the proof.

Clark/Clarkson who cares, is the same person hacking fans, and it's illegal.

If you are skilled you could hack, these are the same people that bragged to me online about there so called "hacking" skills.

NO, I have now had $90 stolen by the club. ( $30 more then I had when this started)

I have never lied and don't say I did. I waited the year and will speak to Pinky about it, we know where he lives and we will make sure we get to talk this out with this person.

I think you are really young and don't know what you are even thinking, that or you have a mental disorder.

No Art, I don't feel like chatting or e mailing you anymore, you tricked me into being your friend one to many times for my liking.

I don't allow FALSE documents.

Excuse me but we ALL were waiting for 24's PROOF and now that we have it we all should be allowed to comment. Just don't go too crazy. I mean make intelligent comments and leave the putdowns out of it please.

You are a sick pervert. I have dealt with your sexual meanderings for 2 years or more.

Sorry I didn't know if 24 was a guy or girl, all of us didn't know.

Well we BOTH were hacked by PINKY GONZALEZ so what is the difference? Same person, both on echo fan clubs ect ect. I see no difference. The main fact here is, that the same person hacked fans, and I believe great fans.

Hey me going on the fan club has NOTHING to do with you or Alan. Pinky legally has swore to our agreement.

No I WOULD NOT DO ANYTHING WRONG. AND WOULD NEVER EVER CLAIM INNOCENCE, ( if I actually did something wrong) Don't put words in my mouth!

Everything I said to you, you manipulated. I know that for a fact. Tony is going by lies told by you and Alan. Christine believes lies too. I can't help that at all. People believe lies everyday.

There are fake documents about me , just as there are fake dialog that kelly has said online in fan fictions. It's only my fans making fan fiction up. They like to make up stuff and post it online... good or bad, all of it is not the truth at all.

Reading between lines is ridiculous your assuming that you something about me (when you don't)

Don't tell me if I do or do not need help.

Ya well you can blame whatever you want on me but I KNOW FOR A FACT I didn't do it.

Well you computer geeks have the means to hack.. so why not, you thought it was all funny right?

No I don't remember the "names" of the girl "actors" you had stalk me.

The only Jeff in the world that I am , is the innocent, shy Jeff that you don't want to try to be a friend with.

No I didn't not make those posts.

Hellz ya, my paintings are coming.... I guess if you have to work, you have to, that's not bad, I need to express myself, and that is what I am doing here.

Maybe there is 20000, 00000000 Jeff's lol.

24, is a person that has been hacked by Pinky, as have I, we are not friends, but have gone through the same experiences.

Pinky didn't have time to delete 24's files BECAUSE 24 was quick to get the files restored at a professional. She was lucky to get the files back. I wasn't, simple as that.

It is also possible that you Alan worked with Pinky and Alan in hacking my computer, because you could have sent me that virus yourself.

I don't watch porno.

My stuff is true because I know it is, your stuff is lies because we know it is. (we:Jeff/Mike/Shannon/24/ect...with proof.)

Jeff

PS: Pinky's real name will be released soon, with website and real address.
PPS: I will go through 24's proof soon..I didn't get a chance to do that yet.

First off, hacking or putting people down is NOT funny, also your bullying of me is and was never funny. Bullying is one of the most terrible things in the world.

Ya well my real name is Zebadiah Jones, sorry I used the name Jeff just because I didn't want people to bother me. Jeff is not my legal name.

Cookie File? No we don't mean that we have HACKED computers from ECHO hackers that were on the computer.

Alan please for the love of God DO NOT defend ECHO Music in anyway, they are terrible.

I can get the real inside info on this corrupt company if I look investigate. It's up to me or 24 ( or Mike ) ( or anyone else it has happened to) to make sure other fans are not robbed blind, not hacked blind, and not bullied by managers.

The ban for any reason thing is really sick, so you guys can be as perverted as you want and if someone says something about it you just ban them and that's ok because you can ban for any reason? I don't think that is right.

Alan this is a place where fans are allowed to voice there opinions. We could call all of your posts "RANTS" as well. 24 just wanted to share her opinion. Me and her had the same thing happen so we understand how things go down with that company.

Well stealing money from a fan is a terrible business decision, every single Kelly Clarkson fan has heard what ECHO did to me and how they stole my money. I tell everyone and they don't want to join. If they had been smarter they could have private messaged me with some deal and none of this would of had to come out into the open.

Alan, for the last time please DO NOT twist my words. I DO NOT tell stories. Your the one with the absurd stories about me.

Also I am moving on, I am only commenting on this new proof and that is all. (AND WE WERE ALL WAITING FOR THIS NEW PROOF FOR MONTHS)

Well you have no proof Alan. All you have is fake and I know it.

Yes MySpace did try to track down the perpetrator of the MySpace Hacking. At least they know you guys are criminals. I have also worked with the police and they also said I was a great person and that you guys were the cause of it.

Just to counter-act Alan, I stand by every post here, and I know they are the truth and I also know they all work together and make perfect sense. If you read them all, they make sense. If you can't make sense of them just ask me. I do not think there are any contradictions.

Excuse me but I did have the info from my space and hotmail but it was IP addresses. I didn't get names, there for not knowing exactly did it but the police would know, I however do not know. I would have to say it was Pinky with the new proof we have discovered.

I am not at all unstable, you don't even know me in the least. Don't even start about knowing me.

Alan you have no authority as to weather I am can or can not be unbanned. I am trying to talk to pinky because he gave me the written legal agreement. He is the ONLY one I need to talk to. The rest of you have NOTHING to do with ANY of this.

I never asked any girls over or under age to dump there bf's. That would be stupid and lame. Hissy fits? come on! I DID listen. You guys were TOO QUICK to JUDGE me!

I want to say that I didn't call Kelly my wife, she is cool tho. Never said that about Alicia or Nelly ( and you never spell her name right and that is downright annoying ) it's Nelly Furtado, ( I tell you everytime to spell her name correctly and you only do it to annoy me and Canadians) she is the #1 selling female in music of 2007, something you US people can't do that's for sure. Trust a Canadian to kick arse.

Well you may have the video but you also don't know that all of the people at the Kelly Concert loved me including Kelly Clarkson herself. Her management and fans thought I was the best fan at her concerts, and that was out of every concert she had ever done in the world. I talked to smileyface and she was totally nice and sweet, and most of the people from the kc.com fan club that were doing the video were really sweet. She thought all of the stuff I made for Kelly was top notch and very artistic with extreme talent. Kelly herself said my paintings of her were " AWESOME!!!!!!!!" Ya so Kelly wants to marry me, big deal... she's sweet, cute and talented. I couldn't do much better then her could I? The person making the video said my segment was the best she had ever seen, it was because you crazed fools banned me that you decided to cut my segment of the official Kelly video out. I am sure Kelly would , or did love my segment. It was supposed to be sweet and was sweet, and it was in no way inappropriate. I don't do inappropriate things. You don't deside what is or is not appropriate in this world Alan. I was told by the fan club that I was the best fan, and the greatest EVER fan of Kelly Clarkson, and the people working for her tried to get me a backstage pass so that she could see the effort I put into my artwork for her, but they were only allowed so many people back there. I talked to all members of her band and her boy toy Graham Colton and they all said I was amazing and a great person...something you will never be able to take from me... Kelly talked to me 6 or 7 times that night, and was very very sweet to the audience and especially me. Kelly will always be a great person, it's just her fan club and management that are terrible. Even KELLY herself was upset at them.

Just for the record I think Kelly cares about her fans and cares for me as one of her most caring fans, she doesn't know how her fan club is run, and she doesn't have anything to do with it. She is too busy, unfortunately, to really understand what happened in this situation. Obviously you guys would do everything to cover your paper trail, including false documents, which I have seen. I want to say that most things on the internet about me are false unless they are positive then they are the truth.

I never provided more proof about you Alan, I am just trying to explain things so people know the truth....you twist everything so greatly.

Karenmarie

I understand the part you are saying about putting it to an end and maybe alan tony and I should backout but also consider it from the other side as well. Jeff will have plenty fired back at him especially with me and alan who have posted more then tony as we were directly involved with him to this date. Also notice the way jeff tried spinning things and making me the one with the sexual problem instead of him. I believe most people see that he is lying andit is him, not me but I will defend myself there and remind him of more everytime. Alan has tons of documents as he is at a higher level then me and has directly worked with authorities and other companies such as disney so he will keep bringing it forward as well. At some point he will finally confess or realize what he did and that it was wrong. There is a possibility of a few of the girls he did this to posting soon as well. He talked with and proposed knowing their ages.

I forgot to mention above that the school/art center is owed an apology by jeff, he thinks it was not right to ban the shool ip from kelly sites. Maybe it turned out to effect a few but it was due to HIM. I have strong doubts that many of the students log on to kelly sites while at school. If they try and are not able to due to the school being blocked that is JEFF's fault. If he would have stayed away it never would have happened.

I did not take anything personal and understand your opinion but also see it from the other side and know in the end it is up to jeff (and 24) to let it end.

I will always check and see what has been posted and if I feel I should reply as will alan and tony. notice none of us have nothing compared to jeff

Art

I think Jeff and Karen are the same people.

I think Jeff and Karen are the same people.

I think Jeff and Karen are the same people.

I think Jeff and Karen are the same people.

Having read this entire complaint and the rebuttals, I can only conclude that you ALL need to give it a rest already!

Jeff,
The stuff that has been posted in your name is borderline criminal and what you have posted on your own behalf does not make you seem mentally healthy. You need to move on. You will never be allowed on these sites again and I can bet there will be a long list of other sites you will find yourself banned from. Move on, get a hobby, get different interests and stay off the internet. Move on. If you don't, it would not be a surprise to find that you are arrested and put either put in jail or in a mental institution somewhere. You are not gonna win here. Best to just pick up whatever shred of self respect you can find and walk away.

Art, Alan, Tony,
You really should stop replying. You all looked level headed and mature before you stooped to coming back again and again and again. Your constant replies with typos, misspellings and grammatical errors makes you all look no better than Jeff. The first few replies to his complaint, with the proper proof, was all that was needed to rebut his claims and you looked the better for it. You should have stopped back then. Your continual response makes you look as immature as Jeff and not much more above the crap that is being flung here. You need to take the higher moral ground. You should stop responding, stop getting into the debates and stop paying attention to Jeff in any way. You are supposed to be the grown ups here!

Pinky seems to be the only adult in all of this. Pinky just doesn't lower himself to get into this kindergarten kiddie fight and mudslinging.

You all need to move on. Every time any of you post, the situation gets worse and worse and none of you look any better.

Not a slam at any of you on a personal level, but you guys really need to see how this looks to an outsider. This is all really sounding silly, childish and borderline insane.

Get over it and move on, all of you.

Jeff,

You are mentally ill. It was you that posted on the Alicia Silverstone blog, I have read a few of your posts out there. You were obsessed with Alicia like you are with a lot of female actors and singers; such as, Nelly Fertado, Avril Lavigne, and more. I know what kind of posts you make and now you are outright denying it on here. You also posted on there when your birthday is, etc. How old you are, it is you Jeff, but keep lying, since that is what you like to do.

Jeff your the one who is warped and messed up and you really do need some help Jeff. 24's issue and yours are two different things. Jeff you were kicked off of the Kelly site for saying inappropriate sexual things to minors. Say what you want but that is the case, but that is why Alan banned you.

Thank you Alan for keeping the Kelly site safe.

I still have to question who 24 really is and what her motives are for taking sides with a child molester?

Alan also never lied Jeff, get your mentally challenged brain a shake and start thinking. Alan clearly admitted that you were not the only one banned over the years from the Kelly site. 24's issues are with the Clark fan site. Whether or not she was hacked is something she will have to prove and doing it on here is going to probably be nearly impossible when all of us are limited in what we can post. Why didn't 24 contact the authorities when this happened? Plus Jeff hacking isn't as easy as you make it out to sound.

Keep lying Jeff, you have lied through your teeth already, one lie was you claim that you had $60.00 stolen from you by the Kelly site. You never told anyone at first that you sneaked back onto the site after being banned by Alan. You were told to wait one year. You couldn't do that, you lied to everyone on this ripoff report. Jeff you need to get your facts straight.

Your the criminal Jeff, and that is why you will be arrested.

Jeff your comment makes it sound like you have say in what is allowed to be posted. That is pretty sad but also says the strongest proof has been blocked. I always say things can be sent to my hotmail address send_the_proof whether it is proof, a comment or someone just wanting to say hello. maybe tony will send me a note so we can exchange more facts jeff doesnt allow, you are welcome to as well.

Jeff also complains about my comments not funny yet figures me marrying tony is great. Tony will you marry me? I hope we made jeff happy. Jeff is willing for a guy probably even an animal, I wont go into the details of that comment as it is a seperate issue.

jeff you are the one stirring up the issue again and when we agreed to close the case you couldnt hold off more then a week or so, and this is a 2nd time.

I think 24 even agrees that anything that happened to HER has nothing to do what happened to you not to mention HERS has nothing to do with kelly clarkson or alan or me, maybe pinky but I am not sure, so dont tryusing something so far out as proof for you. That is like saying I got a speeding ticket and I say I was not speeding then alan gets a ticket from the same cop and says he wasnt speeding so that means the officer lies. We were both innocent that is not how things work. Even if alan was pulled over and wasnt speeding his innocence doesnt prove my guilt as not true.

You say that you would never do anything wrong if allowed back but precautions are crucial today so it wont happened. Should they allow you back and you do something wrong, even by accident, you will just be crying and claiming innocence, hacking and discrimination all over.

My comments and postings are not assumptions they are from direct chats with you. Tony is going on facts stated by alan and me. Christine is doing the same, believe it or not most people can read between the lines and see things clear.

You always say you dont need help so I think we are safe to say you are not getting the help you DO NEED.

In terms of the hacker, that comment proves my point that just because you think you were hacked doesnt mean you were. It is not so easy, I dont know how either but if you want to blame me I say I dont care what you think so blame me. I dont believe pinky would take the time to hack one person like 24 either. If 24 is into the web so much she should know that hacking is not that easy. It is one thing to hack a site but directly into a persons computer?

I will also testify my postings are 100% the only thing I am not including is the names of the girls. If you you remember their names and want to mention them that is fine but I am not going to expose them to you again.

Say alan tony and I are all the same person, I have 3 names with multiple personalities. Kind of like you and being bi-polar, maybe that explains why there are such different sides of you. The innocent shy caring jeff we are not aware of the and is posting here and loves disney and the other jeff that post on sites and is just terrible.

Speaking of other sites, PLEASE GIVE ME A BREAK!!!! If I read your posting correct you are claiming that you did not make any of the postings tony found. I supposed alan and I made all those as well. I dont know about you but being older alan and I have jobs and need to earn money to live and dont have time for this. I know your michaelangelo painting will come along someday so you have plenty of time but it is not like that for all of us. It is amazing that alan and I also can do this and keep the story straight. Oh the "other" jeff before meds is the one that made those postings.

I am also glad to see you are once again the one that knows the law and none of us do and you have it USA vs. canada a battle of the law. USA will definitely kick a*s and have you in 10 times the trouble.

Call all this rehash but that is all yours has been done for 3 years.

24 as tony said try to notice the difference between your 2 situations and be careful in linking yourself with jeff. You really dont want to look like you are friends and support him. What you really have in common is an issue that you think is all pinky. As I said I dont believe pinky or whatever his name is would take the time to figure out your ip and hack your personal computer. If that is true why didnt pinky also delete all your documents like jeff claims. Way back jeff told me he had a virus and I honestly tried helping him with different virus software and how to backup his hard drive. He then took it to a computer shop, it was probably a porno virus. Also look at everything and tell me how jeff can pick who is and is not lying and why I should believe all of yours is accurate and you should think mine is nothing but lies. I believe you since I have no proof of different and I hope you do the same with me and alan.

I am sure more to come

First of all, ever hear of studio names? they are legal names, and Pinky has one!
Second, Ever heard a cookie file? it gets placed on your computer when you visit any website that requires a login. Any fan club run by Echo will place a cookie from the Echo servers. The cookie is required in order for the site to function as it stores the information for the login. That's not being 'hacked', your computer has a whole folder of these files from just about every website you've visited.

As for Echo changing their name, they haven't, they are simply expanding into more sub-divisions (such as their echotunes and others), which is normal for any company as they continue to grow. You all think your some kind of private investigators, and your nothing of the sorts.

All the proof of what Jeff was banned for has been provided. He was banned on many sites, even before he ever joined an Kelly Clarkson site. Even so, any website, including online fan clubs, have the right to ban ANYONE for ANY OR NO REASON, with or without warning. Jeff and anyone else can complain all they want about it, the law is still on the side of the company.

As for 24's rant about how a fan club stopped their snailmail and went totally online without warning anyone first, legally, they aren't required to do so, but again, it has nothing to do at all with why Jeff was banned.

Jeff paid $30 to join, got himself banned, snuck on again paying again, and had to be banned again (he was never unbanned, being banned, and told to stay away includes not sneaking on from somewhere else o get around the ban).. Echo didn't steal anything from him, he voluntarily paid it knowing full well the terms he agreed to when he signed up. If he didn't read them, that's his own fault. If he wasn't aware of the laws involved in it, that's also his own fault (you may have heard the saying in court rooms 'neglegance of the law is no excuse')

Jeff himself talks about how he 'tried to contact Pinky' and everyone else after being banned, in his own words tells how he was 'hacked' after it all, then goes on about he was hacked and never did the things he did. his stories are jsut that, nothing more than stories trying to jsutify what he did and make excuses for it all rather than simply moving on with his life.

Jeff got all upset when I provided his posts and messages that got him banned, yet it was after he was slamming me all over the place. yet again, he caused his own problem there. Once he made false accusations (and very slanderous at that), he legally gave me the right to publically provide all the proof I have provided.
In these psotings I provided, he even speaks of how MySpace provided him with proof of who 'hacked his myspace', and MSN did the same when his msn and hotmail email accounts were suppsoedly 'hacked'. Yet, he's here pointing fingers and more than one person for doing it, double talking everything he says, and saying the exact opposite of even his own posts right on this report. The only people who could possibly believe what he says are those who don't read it all.

As i've already said Jeff, you can keep going as long as you want, the only one being hurt is yourself. All this is also why you will never be unbanned. Your very unstable, and no one wants to have to deal with you and your nonsense.

This report of yours has become nothing more than entertainment. It's completely rediculous, and never meant much to begin with. You aren't capable of seeing yourself. You don't want to see how most of what you have said right here refers to yourself. You claim some of the 'girls' you spoke to turned out not to be girls or whatever, but you can't see that when you speak to them the way you have, they don't knnow you are who you say you are (and the more you banter about everything, the more you prove your not what you say you are).

Asking girls, especailly under age ones, to dump their boyfriends so you can date them, asking girls, especailly underage ones, most of what you ask them, and the comments and topics of discussions you had, were not appropriate, your hissy fits when warned gave everyone a headache, and you were banned, you refused to lsiten, and the ban was made perminant. end of story, there is nothing to discuss further about it. You wont be back on the kelly sites, if your caught sneaking back on, you'll jsut be banned all over again, and you especailly, will never get the chance to 'propose to Kelly Clarkson' as you've been planning for a couple of years now (and don't even think about denying calling yourself mr. kelly clarkson, and referring to her as your wife in many of your blogs and posts, which you did about Alicia Silverstone and Nellie Fertado as well).

You were so proud of your 'sign' at the vancouver concert that said 'marry me kelly'.. you can't deny that was all you.. we have video from before that concert with you holding the sign and telling the camera your name, and your plan to marry her, among other things, remember that Jeff? you were told it was for the fan club, that's on the video too, we had to edit you out of it when it was put on the fan club because it wasn't appropriate.

and you really wonder why you were banned? I warned you if you continued your nonsense, you wouldn't liek the things I have to provide against you. I can keep bringing more of it out, but that's entirely upto you though. Think about it very carefully.

I'll write back soon as to exactly WHY 24's proof makes perfect sense and it absolutely related to what happened to me.

Tony, whoever he is, seems to be TOO interested in this case.

Just to assure this stalker Tony, I can assure you I am not the least bit weird, or whatever you may be thinking.

I didn't know if 24 was male or female, more proof that she is different them me, but you are too stupid to not believe anything you see for real.

24 got banned and HACKED by PINKY GONZALAZ ( which is NOT he real name we have discovered ( and ALAN LIED about this to our faces right on this very Rip Off REPORT, so he and art and Tony are liars and clearly can NOT be trusted any longer.

Jesters is clearly not me, as I said I can not even most under a different name on here only the AUTHOR... if you are so stupid to question that again we are clearly dealing with someone who is mentally challenged.

I know it and 24 knows it.

No I have not written anything about Alicia on the net, if it's on there, then someone like TONY probably wrote it and posted it on the net. All I can say about Alicia is that she is a great and wonderful actress that I admire. I would absolutely never ever ever say anything rude like that.

Tony post whatever you like but I KNOW FOR A FACT I did NOT post it, so post whatever lies you like it's totally cool as long as people know who the criminals are (Alan, Art, Tony, Morgan, Pinky)

From what you posted Tony, me and Alan never have that conversation at all and he would attest to that.

If anyone spends jail time it will be these five criminals (Alan from kckellyville and kellyclarkson.com) , Art ( from kckellyville, Tony (from california, pervert, criminal) , Morgan Plex ( kelly clarkson fan club) , Pinky Gonzalez ( not his real name like Alan promised))

How is there a difference? We were BOTH hacked by the same person!!!! Can't you see that?

Jeff

I'll write back soon as to exactly WHY 24's proof makes perfect sense and it absolutely related to what happened to me.

Tony, whoever he is, seems to be TOO interested in this case.

Just to assure this stalker Tony, I can assure you I am not the least bit weird, or whatever you may be thinking.

I didn't know if 24 was male or female, more proof that she is different them me, but you are too stupid to not believe anything you see for real.

24 got banned and HACKED by PINKY GONZALAZ ( which is NOT he real name we have discovered ( and ALAN LIED about this to our faces right on this very Rip Off REPORT, so he and art and Tony are liars and clearly can NOT be trusted any longer.

Jesters is clearly not me, as I said I can not even most under a different name on here only the AUTHOR... if you are so stupid to question that again we are clearly dealing with someone who is mentally challenged.

I know it and 24 knows it.

No I have not written anything about Alicia on the net, if it's on there, then someone like TONY probably wrote it and posted it on the net. All I can say about Alicia is that she is a great and wonderful actress that I admire. I would absolutely never ever ever say anything rude like that.

Tony post whatever you like but I KNOW FOR A FACT I did NOT post it, so post whatever lies you like it's totally cool as long as people know who the criminals are (Alan, Art, Tony, Morgan, Pinky)

From what you posted Tony, me and Alan never have that conversation at all and he would attest to that.

If anyone spends jail time it will be these five criminals (Alan from kckellyville and kellyclarkson.com) , Art ( from kckellyville, Tony (from california, pervert, criminal) , Morgan Plex ( kelly clarkson fan club) , Pinky Gonzalez ( not his real name like Alan promised))

How is there a difference? We were BOTH hacked by the same person!!!! Can't you see that?

Jeff

I'll write back soon as to exactly WHY 24's proof makes perfect sense and it absolutely related to what happened to me.

Tony, whoever he is, seems to be TOO interested in this case.

Just to assure this stalker Tony, I can assure you I am not the least bit weird, or whatever you may be thinking.

I didn't know if 24 was male or female, more proof that she is different them me, but you are too stupid to not believe anything you see for real.

24 got banned and HACKED by PINKY GONZALAZ ( which is NOT he real name we have discovered ( and ALAN LIED about this to our faces right on this very Rip Off REPORT, so he and art and Tony are liars and clearly can NOT be trusted any longer.

Jesters is clearly not me, as I said I can not even most under a different name on here only the AUTHOR... if you are so stupid to question that again we are clearly dealing with someone who is mentally challenged.

I know it and 24 knows it.

No I have not written anything about Alicia on the net, if it's on there, then someone like TONY probably wrote it and posted it on the net. All I can say about Alicia is that she is a great and wonderful actress that I admire. I would absolutely never ever ever say anything rude like that.

Tony post whatever you like but I KNOW FOR A FACT I did NOT post it, so post whatever lies you like it's totally cool as long as people know who the criminals are (Alan, Art, Tony, Morgan, Pinky)

From what you posted Tony, me and Alan never have that conversation at all and he would attest to that.

If anyone spends jail time it will be these five criminals (Alan from kckellyville and kellyclarkson.com) , Art ( from kckellyville, Tony (from california, pervert, criminal) , Morgan Plex ( kelly clarkson fan club) , Pinky Gonzalez ( not his real name like Alan promised))

How is there a difference? We were BOTH hacked by the same person!!!! Can't you see that?

Jeff

Ok guys, If ya don't believe me, fine! I finally got on my old computer today and found what I was looking for. I tried in my last post to leave the url link to my myspace site. Well, they erased that link. I guess it's not allowed in here. After getting all my info together, I posted it on my website, not my space.
I prolly can't post that link in here either. But I will not post all my info on here.
So, all I can tell you all is to try to go to my website. put the following words together to make the whole website link ok? look on next line for addy. (((ROR redacted)))
That's the best that I can do. All the info you wanna see is posted there. I'm not trying to prove anything to anyone. I was just trying to let everyone know about echomusic, formally artist media group and now they just go by echo. And just to let you know, pinky gonzales is not his real name. It is jonathan jansen. But now, there is a guy named taylor that is over terri clark's website. They are always changing mods and changing their company name. I'm just trying to help more fans out there and get the artists to see how their fans are being treated.
Bye

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24: If you are really a separate person from Jeff then I will give you credit for that. Jeff also claimed you are male and not female. Which made me wonder if the two of you are the same. I do gather that at least Jesters777 and Jeff are the same person. 24, if you were banned from the fansite for no reason or a valid reason, that is not right. I can agree with you in the frustration you may be having if it is all true. But still believe your issue for banning is different from Jeff's.

I also attempted last night and this morning to post some more chat logs I came across from Jeff. There's a bunch of them, all the same blog, ALicia Silverstone (2003 time frame), which all of you can find if you do a google search on Jeff Stackhouse Mission bc alicia silverstone (if I spelled it right). Some of the language and content of these blogs is pornographic, sexaul, violent, degrading, freaky, scary, and out right weird. At one point Jeff tells someone that he is going to do a great act of physical violence on them, using the F word over and over again. This may be one reason ripoffreport is not allowing me to post them on here (just my opinion - no offense to rip off report). Maybe ripoff report may eventually allow me to put them on?

I did see Alan's blog on the Kelly Site "why Jeff Stackhouse will never be back on."

Alan: you want to find these ones and add them to your list, this is truly shocking and disturbing conversations Jeff is having with girls and boys. At the same time you may have already seen them, but decided not to put them on your site due to the content of them? People do the search, read them, keep scrolling down the screen. Jeff is using the user name "Jeffstacky." It is very sexually degrading of girls, violent and disturbing.

Jeff: I must say I have read a lot of your posts and blogs on the web, that one was very disturbing. After reading that there is definitely no doubt in my mind that you need some real help. You are a very sick man Jeff. You will serve some time behind bars. I will be forwarding a copy of everything I find to the Canadian Authorities. You are one sick puppy Jeff.

24: I hope you can see now the two differences in your complaint with echo music and Jeff's. There's a big difference there. I hope 24 you find the justice you are looking for, if it is all true.

First off, I am female. I live in east tennessee and I am not anyone else than who I say I am. I don't like being called a liar. The only reason I started leaving posts to this thread is because of echomusic, formally known as artist media group and now known as echo. I was talking about them banning fans of various fan clubs for no d**n reason. Me and my best friend was banned from the terri clark fan club in november 2004 by pinky gonzales, which is not his real name.

They came on board with terri clark's website and made the fan club online. Alot of fans did'nt like this transistion and made comments about the way they were treating fans and of about 30 people's posts, only me and my best friend were banned. I had been a member of terri's fan club since she started out back in 1995. To have a smart ** like pinky to disagree with a reply i made, to ban me really made me mad and upset. He threatened many fans and then they became afraid to even make a post on her site, afraid they too would be banned.

My computer was then hacked and I know it was pinky, cause I had my former computer tech work on my computer to see what the problem was. An ip addy was found to be on my computer from the location of echomusic in nashville. I tried calling TBA, the management of terri clark and by the time, I got to talk to clarence spalding, pinky had already called him and filled his head with lies.

Echomusic also ran kelly clarkson's website, and they too banned fans. They also ran toby keith's street team and toby himself had the site closed and fired echomusic, due to fans telling him how they were being treated by pinky and others. All i was trying to do was help other fans. I was banned from sugarland's street team just because they knew me. I joined one day and then when I went back to login, It said I had been banned. Hell, I never even made a post. Something needs to be done about echomusic.

And another thing tony, I do not know jeff. My myspace site has nothing to do with my banning from the terri clark fan club. I am a webmaster myself. I was just trying to tell you, to go to my myspace site to prove that i'm not anyone else and yes, there is such a site. I do have proof that me and my best friend were banned from the terri clark fan club, but as I stated, It's all on my old computer. I will do my best to hook it up this weekend and get that info. And if you want further proof, just join terri clark's fanclub site and make a post asking about me and why I'm no longer on that site. You like to run your mouth about stuff you know nothing about, but you like to make accusations about me.

My best friend and I also have a myspace and the purpose of that site is to help artists get more exposure. There is also another country artist who got rid of echomusic and that's chely wright. She now has her site done by music city networks. He fans let her know what was going on with them. Terri has been told by more than 1 fan club member how echomusic treats them and so far, she has done nothing to help her fans. They probably have something over her head, who knows.

I know nothing about jeff other than what I have read here. And no, I don't like child preditors or stalkers. I just know what he said, that how he was treated by pinky and echo music. By the way, pinky now runs a photography site called prophotos.tv or something like that, just type his name in google. He's easy to find. I believe in karma and that people will be paid back by a higher power for the wrongful way they treat others...that's all I'm gonna say. Justice needs to be done by echomusic being put out of business and ran out of nashville. I will do whatever I can to help. Fans join artists fanclubs to support them, not to be judged by their opinions and banned just becuase the mods don't agree.

None of this really makes a big difference 24, you have posted a user agreement and ran a text of someones blog on a message board for a "Terry Clark" Fan site. That post of yours and the problems Jeff Stackhouse has been having are two different issues (if the info you post is even real or true, could just be made up or doctored from original text format).

Jeff was banned from the Kelly Site for saying inappropriate things to minors that were sexual in nature. Jeff was also banned for posting inappropriate user names; such as, "Kellyclarkson the booty queen, etc." Jeff was warned, and admits in his own posts, he was warned not to go back on the Kelly Site, for one year. Jeff then sneaked back on a different computer and tried again to be on the Kelly site, under a different user name. When he was discovered Alan had him banned again. Jeff was originally supposed to wait one year before contacting the fan site again. Jeff could not follow those simple rules. That is why Jeff is on this ripoff site, he feels the Kelly Clarkson fan club ripped him off for $60.00. Even though he deserves to loose this money since he can not follow the directions and instructions Alan gave him.

24 why did none of your info that you told me on this site about you not add up? The myspace account you mentioned is not there either. So let me ask this question of you again, what is your association with Jeff Stackhouse? Why are you helping a pervert? Are you aware of some of the things Jeff has said to minors online?

I still think Jeff, Jesters777 and 24 are the same people.

Ok guys,
here is some proof of other banned members. My info is on my old computer and I will do my best to get it on disc this weekend and post it.
The following is 3 former members banned from Terri clark's fan club that we know.
and one is a post about people being banned.




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Califer,
i don't know how to go about this reply but just say what the truth is. you talked about a post being about internet access and fans not having computer access, well, that is still true today with (former) fan club members. not everyone in the world has or can still yet afford a computer. there is over 12,000 members listed on this website and only 200 or so actually access it on a regular basis. that is fact, not fiction. there are still members listed and they have not been members of this fan club in years. that i can prove! i think the post you was referring to about that was made over a year ago and there were two fan club members banned, and three suspended for wanting to help those non computer access fans in terri's fan club. that also can be proven! fans who joined terri's fan club in the latter part of 2004 did not recieve nor did they realize, they would'nt be recieving any fan club merchandise in snail mail anymore. a thread was created asking questions about that topic and they were deleted. when other members started a post trying to help those members,, like i said,, they were banned from the fan club for their opinions. i don't think that was fair nor right for disussing a very important issue.
everyone knows that things and times change, but changes made without notification to fans is just not right. i am not putting anyone down here, i am just saying that there are terri clark fans who don't have access to the online fanclub and they lost their money by joining. others were thrown aside as if they never had supported terri all the years before.
one more thing, it is really sad to see that donna is gone now from the website. she was one of the last remaining people whom has been associated with the terri clark organization since she started out 10 and 1/2 years ago.
the only 2 left that i can see is greg(her hubby) and kevin.
so to say that alot has happened in the last 10 1/2 years is a huge understatement.
i am not and hope i did not offend anyone here by being truthful.
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Keep up with the lies Jeff, you know that your the weirdo, it was you Jeff that mentioned the daycare in your post. What is this daycare? Are you running a daycare Jeff? How many kids are there? Are you alone with them?

No Jeff I am not Art or Allan, I am a concerned citizen.

Jeff the sponge bob joke is inappropriate, it is not funny, it is sexual in nature and should not be discussed with minors under the age of 18.

I can't wait to see you get charged Jeff.

or nambla will see the trouble you cause and kick you off their site also unless they have already.

I think 24 ment his name on myspace is just "24" I think... not sure ask him. As well you Tony have committed LIBEL here.

Again I believe that Alan, Art and Tony are the same person.

Tony, it's suspicious you are on here if you had nothing to do with the situation. I believe you are the hacker, that needs to be in jail for life.

They have nothing on me because I did nothing you completely stupid person. Are you so stupid to not know that Art was JOKING about the daycare...gosh you are stupid.

Jeff

I checked myspace for "just24" and there is nothing there. Unless you have a different user name. I also did a search like you suggest for Kelly Clarkson and there are two reports on rip off report, one of them is Jeff's and the other was over fan club tickets. I see Jeff's comments and Arts, but no 24.

Again I am tending to believe that 24, Jeff Stackhouse and Jesters777, are all the same people.

Now Jeff to address me being arrested, you have mentioned it several times in your posts. I did nothing wrong to be arrested for. What am I going to be arrested for? For telling a Pervert, Pedophile like yourself off? You are a Pervert, Weirdo, Liar, and Pedophile. And don't worry Jeff it is not a matter of if, but when you get charged and arrested.

Art, yes please share any info you have on Jeff Stackhouse with the Mission, B.C. RCMP Detachment. Any chat logs, myspace, messenger, anything that you have with Jeff being inappropriate with minors. If you are hesitant you can turn the info over to the U.S authorities (FBI in Seattle or Vancouver, B.C.) and they can forward it all up to the Canadian counterparts in B.C..

Now am I missing something here, did I read that Jeff sneaked onto the Kelly site from a daycare computer? Who's Daycare? Does Jeff run this Daycare? Is the Daycare located in Mission, B.C.? Is Jeff alone with kids? Is Jeff in contact with these kids?

Tony: 24 knows how these guys lie, so therefore he knows you and them are lying. And the joke was not a sex joke. I also don't do anything wrong to kids and never will. I have no idea who 24 is and he has no clue who I am , we just have had the same thing happen to us and I believe him.

Art:Don't dare stir up the pot again when it is unwanted. I said all of us MAY have done things wrong, meaning that I MAY have done some little things wrong (possibly) while you guys did the big crimes. No confession at all from me, I never did anything, and you guys did , is the bottom line.

No, you guys posted your false documents and they allowed it, you could post anything here and it SHOULD post.

Well the only reason you two old guys on the site of young girls are allowed to say is because you are behind the whole operation.

When 24 posts the truth the truth will be known.

No way if I was allowed on I would not complain at all, I am complaining here, I have this place to voice my concerns I would never post anything on the websites if I was allowed on. Ya too bad my day care center was banned. ( lame sense of humor ).Well you banned 10,000 students for a 4 years that's a lot of Kelly fans. Good for you, it shows how stupid you both are.

Well I have a different opinion of you and Alan. I was the one that went through this, you both thought it was a joke and I am here to say it WAS NOT.

Christine should probably be in jail for making sick comments as she did.
Ok I respect the fact that Christine has chosen to judge me for no reason and has no facts to judge me on. If I was to that to her I would say she is a killer. What's the difference? She just assumes whatever she wants ( like you and Art)

How the hell would you know if I seek help or do not seek help and what business is it of yours? You are not very nice to me, and you are not very caring , and you go against my words, it is very sick.

I said you are TONY, so stop sending yourself fake documents.

No I only wish I was a hacker. Then there would be some justice in the world. I think what happened was called "karma" you get what you deserve in the end.. that's what happened with your computer.

You guys are insane/mental cases. I can clearly understand what you all are thinking. I know what Alan things and Art things, Melissa and Tony are just insane.

Well the Canadian police should kick your US butts for being so mental. Well I would have arrested you when you did it. Hey you guys don't have the slightest clue about the law. I know you committed LIBEL/ Deformation of Character!!!!

My posts are all 100%, as I never lie and never will lie. There is some crazy ECHO conspiracy going on that is for certain. I know it and all the rest of the fans know it.

Like I said my comments are all 100% The accusations are no worse then yours against me, actually yours are a lot worse.

24 please give the URL for your myspace so we can all check this out.

I rejected your posts because they are false and I know they are false. I bet you anything that 24 posts REAL documents.

Ya we should really all be friends, I mean at the end of the day, I am saying that because people should all get along, but I am not going to back down ever, because I know what I did and did not do and don't like to be accused.

Sorry but the person you think I am does not exist. You have not the slightest clue about my personality or who I am , so don't judge me, or you will be judged for making judgment calls on people you don't know.

Art mostly everything you said was old rehashed stuff you already said at least 10 times. If you have any new things to say I would welcome it but the same thing over and over again makes you sound really desperate to call me down and leads readers to believe you are guilty

So friends?

Jeff you admitted that you did some things WRONG. I find this a confession as you just admitted that you did wrong. Nothing was given by you as an example but at least you know there were some things.

Well the support you have is hard to believe, does it really exist? It has been posted but just didn't show. Maybe it is a case of the website finding it inappropriate or lack of accuracy.

The only way age was only an issue with you is due to the things you did with minors. Good chances if you were a minor you would have been banned as well. As alan mentioned I am older then you, as is he, and neither of us have had problems. We just know what is appropriate and how to appropriately handle things/problems.

The reason you wont be given a second chance is that your behavior that got you in trouble followed by the behavior and problems while banned only to continue on after permanently banned. If let back you would just complain about the past. Kind of like when you snuck in to the Kellyville chat room from the school computer lab. You might have been able to pull that off until other complaints came but you couldn't hold anything back and all your bitching made it so I knew who you were within 5 minutes, actually less. Knowing it was you and not being able to keep your mouth shut or behave I was able to buzz alan and he banned you again and unfortunately your entire school (day care center) Risk just totally out weighs possible benefits

I don't think alan or I am bad in the least way, even with the comments made about you. It might seem mean to you but the facts need to be stated and hopefully protect others and try to gradually eliminate this problem.

Regarding the comment by Christine you can say what you want but if she has read just parts of this topic she has plenty to use to make a judgement and read between the lines to reach her conclusion. You mention respecting 24 well you you need to respect Christine too. And explain the trolling and what type of complaint you can file. If there is anything to justify a complaint I think alan and I along with Tony have things to file against you. You might think she needs help but I am positive you do as well and you wont seek any.

Tony if I can find the time I will try to gather some of my chats to send. I have not posted a response sooner as my (d**n dell) computer crashed and I had to format it but hopefully have a lot saved on disc from previous backups. I am wondering if jeff hacked my computer and deleted things and gave my computer the virus. He still thinks I am to blame for all his computer and internet issues so I am guessing he did this for revenge.

I hope you take jeff's evaluation in to account as I see you have been diagnosed as another mental case. Notice Melissa is another person he was able to diagnose. Anyone who disagrees with him has a mental problem. He understands this since he is such a case himself. Just think he sees a perfect example in the mirror everyday

Jeff Canadian police cannot arrest US citizens in the USA. Unfortunately that is true vice versa or we would have had the USA police arrest you at your house years ago. I also like that you finally admit you really don't know law. This contradicts another 30 postings of yours above that state how everyone against you has broken the law, that is incorrect and since you do NOT know the law don't try enforce it.

24 explain your comment about you wonder who is running the site. Are you trying to claim it is someone that is not allowing your post because they are against you? If so think that through as look at all of jeff's lies that have been allowed, so that is not an issue. If echo was going to pay ripoff they would NOT have posted any off jeff's comments, especially if true. If they would do this they wouldn't need to be paying Tony like jeff thinks is possible. GIVE ME A BREAK

By the way jeff, once again you need to watch the comments and accusations you make about people or businesses with no proof. Those comments are pretty strong and another thing to lead to a lawsuit against you.

I will also try to check out 24's myspace. If nothing else 24 can post the proof on myspace for us to judge its credibility. No offense 24 but if jeff is entitled to reject ours we have the right to reject yours with just as good of chance of modification.

Tony very good questions for 24 and the support of jeff.

I would really like it if jeff's other wish would come through and that I can add Tony and Melissa as friends. Maybe I will start a myspace to give the link to so we can have contact, if I would start a myspace for this reason all posting here would be welcome including jeff.

If you are a separate person then what is your association with Jeff Stackhouse? Are you ok with Jeff saying inappropriate things to minors online and the sex jokes about Kelly in the shower and sponge bob? Do you approve of what Jeff does to kid online?

24,

It is very clear to me that you are you, ( and most people with an IQ of an 5 year old ) it's just these trollers and people intent on being ridiculous that keep up the crazy posts. For all we know this Tony guy could be Pinky Gonzales himself, the same guy that screwed us both over!!!

Ya they need to keep changing the name, it seems to me, to hide from fans they have really done illegal things too, I think they are worse then some people that are considered criminals. ( For example some steal a pack of gum and may go to jail, these guys still $80 and ( I know i said 60 but they did it again) and it's not only money, fine, steal my money, but not my rights and freedoms, don't lie to me, and tell me I did things I didn't do.

24 is right, there IS another rip off report on the Kelly Clarkson fan club, and that was on here before this even happened to me, the truth must be known to set all Kelly fans free from ECHOMUSIC. We are finally getting somewhere.

I will go to ECHOHELLO and see if I can get them to respond. They are good at committing crimes and then hiding.

I also do not know anyone in this thread. I have only spoken to art and alan by email.

I will check out your myspace.

I am sure the info will post, unless ( as you say) ECHOHELLO is paying off Rip Off Report or some other scam going on. I would not thing Rip Off Report would take bribes from criminals. I would think that would go against everything they stand for. This site is for us, not the people creating these RIP OFF fan clubs.

Well someone has to get this information out.

If you sent it to me, I could post it , but I think these guys would say it was me posting so we can't really go that route.... but it really should post... do you get the " THANK YOU FOR POSTING" SCREEN ? It says that your post will be up in the next while, so if you get that screen the post should come up, unless there are glitches, which I have gotten before too.

24, I have heard and seen every smartA$$ed comment in the book from these guys, If they were more kind and actually listened to the fans NONE of this would ever have happened but they keep saying the rudest remarks right to our faces. They use the fact they have money to put down the fans that don't have much ( But which without these artists would never exist at all)

Yes, I agree, whatever happens to these fools on one site doesn't discourage them from ruining the next fan club. They just keep doing it and doing it. They think they can run a fan club but they can't even begin too. I was unfortunate to run into this criminals, without them my life would have been much better.

You should get one of your friends on the Terri Clark site to copy and paste some of what these same people did to those fans just to prove things. I am sure you could get proof there. But I am not joining the Terri Clark FC for proof, but I am sure we could find someone that is already in it and get them to post.

I'll check out the other Kelly Clarkson Fan Club thread to find the proof and then will copy it from there.... I am sure that would be a fair thing to do.

I appreciate your willingness to get the proof out there. Like I said if these guys didn't hack my computer ( and ruin a 1,500 computer fully) then I would have all the proof I would need to get these guys in jail but I unfortunately had my computer destroyed by them..

anyhow keep fighting the good fight.

Tony and whoever else has a problem here, need not take it out on me. I came here in the first place to tell you all that I too have proof that echomusic, whom has now changed their name again to echohello, rips off fan club members for major country stars. I do not know anyone else in this thread. If you wanna see who I am, go to my website on myspace. my username is just24. Anyway, I will gather all my info and post it here if it will go through this time. I posted proof 3 times and they will not post it. I then emailed rip off asking them if they were in cahoots with echomusic.

It's obvious someone on here is keeping me from posting proof. Call pinky gonzales at echomusic in nashville, tn and ask him about 24. I'm sure he'll have something smart a$$ed to say. Seems when they ban members of fan clubs,,,they move on to another artists site and do the same thing. Ask chely wright about them...she fired them here while back and went with music city networks,,, same as kenny chesney has. Echo needs to be ran out of nashville. I'm sure that they also put the artists in the middle of things. If ya wanna see some posts about how they are...join the terri clark fan club and take a look around at all the posts on there about tech support and all that. I'm no longer a member, but I have friends that are. I will try again to post proof tommorrow.
By the way tony...

I live in east tennessee. and p.s...go put kelly clarkson in the search box here and the other post about kelly will come up, that I replied to about not being able to post my proof on this thread. peace out

Jeff you will never let this end, just remember everything sent in on this rippoffreport is archived and never goes away. I also still think your a pervert and a liar. I think you need to let it go and move on in life, get some mental help.

How do we know that 24 isn't in fact you posting bull on here? Just to add drama to all the excitement? After all you posted earlier on this thread as Jester777, pretending to be someone that knows you, trying to say you are a nice person and all. Bart picked right up on that one, and you insult him calling him Bart Simpson. I think Jester777 and 24 are all the same people "Jeff Stackhouse." I think Jeff is a troll that likes to troll the internet looking for underage victims.

I can't wait till you get arrested Jeff for your online internet crimes.

While it is true that I do want to be freinds with everyone, and am, I do feel it would be the right thing to do for 24 to post his proof. We all know that this company is shady. And the more proof we have, the better.

If he says he has the proof, and can post the proof, why should it now be allowed to be seen.

I , for one, am very interested to see what these same people did to other fans just like myself. Fans that spend good money to be treated fairly and were not.

I am sure we will all finally see I was telling the truth as soon as the proof can be seen.

Also note that sometimes posts do not show up on Rip Off Report for a day or so. ( Sometimes not at all do to glitches ) so we will all wait and be patient.

It's good to know 24 is trying to get this info into the open because it is a respectable thing to do to even try to go against these people. First they are very mean people, and second they would rather be hurtful then help as we have all seen... so all I can say is everyone not post, and be patient until we see these new posts.

Jeff

24 please go take your lies and bull somewhere else. Jeff says he wants to be friends with everyone now. I think he doesn't want issues with Alan or Art anymore. Jeff wants to put it all behind him. Please go bug off!

24 man keep trying.....

I am sure it will post. I know I have also written a lot of good stuff on these guys that also didn't go through.

It's even possible this "echo music" actually pays off rip off report to take down real evidence... it is POSSIBLE.

Please keep trying.

And it doesn't surprise me of the name change, they have such a terrible name right now, and all fans of Kelly know it. Even the fans want them to change the name because they are sick of people hating the company.. who wouldn't hate on these guys?

I mean its' outrageous what they do...not to mention likely paying off this "tony" guy to post the same libel over and over.

Anyone of my friends would come on here and tell everyone how great of a person I am I am just not spreading this crap around, they are likely mass e mailing ever person they know that would lie for them.

I would love it if you could save your post in word, so in case it doesn't post you can quickly re-post, if it doesn't go through, and also if rip off report is deleting this, make sure to contact the site and see what is going on.

This non-posting issue has happened to me 2 times before , so don't let that get in the way of posting your PROOF.

24 man keep trying.....

I am sure it will post. I know I have also written a lot of good stuff on these guys that also didn't go through.

It's even possible this "echo music" actually pays off rip off report to take down real evidence... it is POSSIBLE.

Please keep trying.

And it doesn't surprise me of the name change, they have such a terrible name right now, and all fans of Kelly know it. Even the fans want them to change the name because they are sick of people hating the company.. who wouldn't hate on these guys?

I mean its' outrageous what they do...not to mention likely paying off this "tony" guy to post the same libel over and over.

Anyone of my friends would come on here and tell everyone how great of a person I am I am just not spreading this crap around, they are likely mass e mailing ever person they know that would lie for them.

I would love it if you could save your post in word, so in case it doesn't post you can quickly re-post, if it doesn't go through, and also if rip off report is deleting this, make sure to contact the site and see what is going on.

This non-posting issue has happened to me 2 times before , so don't let that get in the way of posting your PROOF.

24 man keep trying.....

I am sure it will post. I know I have also written a lot of good stuff on these guys that also didn't go through.

It's even possible this "echo music" actually pays off rip off report to take down real evidence... it is POSSIBLE.

Please keep trying.

And it doesn't surprise me of the name change, they have such a terrible name right now, and all fans of Kelly know it. Even the fans want them to change the name because they are sick of people hating the company.. who wouldn't hate on these guys?

I mean its' outrageous what they do...not to mention likely paying off this "tony" guy to post the same libel over and over.

Anyone of my friends would come on here and tell everyone how great of a person I am I am just not spreading this crap around, they are likely mass e mailing ever person they know that would lie for them.

I would love it if you could save your post in word, so in case it doesn't post you can quickly re-post, if it doesn't go through, and also if rip off report is deleting this, make sure to contact the site and see what is going on.

This non-posting issue has happened to me 2 times before , so don't let that get in the way of posting your PROOF.

I have tried many many times to reply to this topic to no avail. Trying to see if this works. I replied to the other post too and it would'nt go. Makes me wonder who is working on here. I posted proof twice and it never showed up. I just found out 2 weeks ago that echomusic has changed their name once again.

Well I just hope that all of us, including Alan, Tony, Melissa, and Art at the end of the day can all be friends.

Jeff,

I see Jeff everyone else has problems or issues except for you. How convenient Jeff, Like Alan mentioned about your denial. Keep being in denial, it won't do you a bit of good. I also really liked Melissa's posts on here, thought it was very creative, thought out, and neat. Especially the part about you being bi-polar and wasting your self. Well put Melissa.

Jeff no matter how much you try, you are not winning this argument here.

Also I wanted to add that I thought Melissa's comments about something she knows absolutely about what happen.

Don't believe me, I don't care what you think.

I know and believe in myself, and if I had to go through this in order to be able to express my views to the world then so be it.

I think a lot of people, don't know how to treat other people these days. All I wanted was to be treated fairly and with respect. I think people have lost respect for others, and I hope to bring back love and care for all people in the world if it is possible. I know it's a tall order, but I think it's possible, but we have to start by getting rid of the put downs, the judging of people you don't know, and the disrespect.

I am sorry about some of the last post but Melissa was really trolling and was trying to push my buttons, I am sorry I fell for such a lame attempt to anger me.

I need to ignore this, but it's hard when people are directing hate towards someone they would probably be good friends with in real life.

I am sure I would get along great with everyone who has ever posted here.... so what is the point of your hostility?

Melissa you are just really judgmental. I think your post is insane actually.

Why the heck, would you waste an hour reading this?

Who are all you strange people that have nothing better to do then to bother me?

If that post wasn't cruel then you have a very cruel way of saying something nice to me.

I am not obsessed it was that they did to me that I was upset about.

Hey everyone else including the administrators were talking sexually about Kelly, I was the one being responsible... how would you know the situation, you were not even there.

Call me whatever you want to call me it's the same as me saying that you sound to me like a serial killer just because you posted one post. It makes no sense. I suggest you k*ll yourself too Melissa.

I never made anyone uncomfortable it was a cover up.

If anyone is the villain it's them.

You come across as a pedophile, I guess, since your making lies up about me.

I am not bi- anything, so please stay out of this... you have no right to even comment.

I trust myself, I trust good people. The only people I don't trust are the people posting on here. What's the deal with people going against me? It makes no sense... not at all...not one of you have the slightest clue what you are talking about.

Not one of you know anything about me.

Your making it up.

How do I not know if your one of the people behind all of this?

You sound like a real beeeeeeeeeeeeeotch dude.

Leave good people alone.

It's people like you that ruin a good world.

I was trying to help people.

Jeff,

I'm not being cruel. I'm not poking fun. The truth is that you need serious professional help. No one in their right mind would be this obsessed because they were banned from a website. There are many actors that I am fans of. I love Rod Serling and Clark Gable. Sometimes I'll post comments on imdb.com about the actors. If I was banned, even if I did nothing wrong, it wouldn't phase me. I just wouldn't post there anymore. There are plenty of other places to post if I felt the need. If you wasted $60.00, you wasted $60.00. Chop it up to, 'you live and learn.'

What bothers me most of all is the way that you make jokes (at least, the Spongebob one that you admitted) and think there is nothing wrong with it. You are a thirty year old man. You should not be conversing with teenagers or children at all. That's weird. If I had a child, and I saw that you were discussing ANYTHING with them, I would be visiting Canada with a baseball bat. I mean that sincerely. Honestly, by your own posts alone, you make yourself sound like a pedophile. If you're not, you need help in learning what is appropriate and what is not. If you are, I suggest suicide.

The bottom line, is that you were making people feel uncomfortable and they banned you. The fact that you write these long diatribes professing innocence and claim to be victimized is strange. It isn't normal for someone to act in that fashion. You need help. The way that your posts reflect depression one moment and elation the next makes me think you may be bipolar. You should talk to a therapist.

Making Alan a villain isn't helping your case. Go back and read the posts you have made from a reader's perspective (rather than the author's). You come across as a very creepy and deluded person. It doesn't help your case.

You need just to relax and realize that the internet is not real life. There is an entire world outside that should be explored. First, you have to seek therapy!! Trust me when I say that you are not right. Hell, don't trust me. Go to a therapist and let them tell you.

Steve, first off, to prove you 100% wrong, tell me how many teen girls are in the Metalica fan club? I bet it's mostly men my age.

Second I agree with Tony, it is nonsensical.

I am sorry what they did was LIBEL then, I don't know much about law.

And the idea of my original post WAS A CONSUMER COMPLAINT. The Kelly Clarkson fan club ripped me off several times and I just wanted to let people know that.

End of Story.

This entire escapade is nonsensical.

This type of issue that you two continue to blather about belongs in civil court - that's IF either of you actually had a case - not criminal.

This type of issue belongs on Jerry Springer.

FYI, slander is false statements that are made verbally.

LIBEL is false statements that are put to writing.

The TRUTH is an absolute defense against any civil suit brought for alleged slander and/or libel.

This website isn't a "dr phil" type of discussion board - it's to help folks with consumer issues, not for continuing some sort of personal fued.

I really wish one of you would file a civil action and settle the matter instead of taking up bandwidth, but hey, that's my opinion.

Jeff,

Are you a grown man?

Let me clue you in to something. "Fan Clubs" are for little teenage girls!

Get a life!!

Robert are you a police officer?

If so do you know if the Canadian Police can arrest people in the U.S.?

I think they crossed the line, all of them.

Slander is not good though, it can be as bad is any other crime, it can ruin lives and can cause any amount of terrible things.

I simply asked if they could remove the slander and now they are just making more slander.

The thing is about suing them is that, I really have no money at all, so the point of them suing me is useless.I can't afford a lawyer...they know that so thats why they have the smug attitudes... And they have millions, so I guess if I sued them I could get a few million, but I never even mentioned anything to sue anyone. I just wanted to work it out, and they obviously don' t listen and don't care to listen.

Well these are "supposed" to be professional acting people, and as you can see they clearly are acting like teenagers or worse.

I sure do wish to end it but you can see how they crossed the line of decency.

Jeff

Oh please keep in mind that I only responded when they did. ( or when they tried to get a angered response from me )

The police won't help you.

Get a lawyer and file a lawsuit already - BOTH OF YOU.

Seems to me that neither of you wish to end this nonsense.

Tony you clearly have mental issues if you think you know me from some fake posts.

If you keep it up I will contact the police about you.

I really don't care.

Your pushing your luck.

Christine Do not pay any attention to Jeff, Thank you for posting on this site and sharing how you feel. Jeff is a weirdo and I am glad that you had the brains to notice this. Alan and Art also both know first hand that Jeff is whacked out, that is why Jeff got banned from the Kellysite and many other sites. Alan makes a good point too, there are others same age as Jeff or older and they don't get banned like Jeff does.

Christine remember there's nothing stopping you from posting a compliant on Jeff Stackhouse on this site, since he has made it a point to say that he is going to complain about you. Remember the real reason he is mad is because you can see that he is a pedophile and a sicko, plus you not agreeing with him really ruins his day. See Jeff is mentally unstable, he just doesn't get it, and then he writes on-and-on aimlessly, like a mental case. That is a classic sign of someone who is not all the way there. If you also notice jeff can not keep to the same subject either as he writes, he is here, he is there, he is everywhere. None of it makes since.

I also again thank Alan for bringing Jeffs sexually deviant behavior to light on this thread on Jeff Stackhouse, Mission, BC. Alan you are also right on Jeff and the denial issues, he just won't admit that he is a pervert.

People remember to contact the RCMP in Mission, B.C., if you have info on Jeff Stackhouse or know someone who has been victimized by Jeff Stackhouse.

If this is all because your are 'older' Jeff, then why isn't there a problem with Art and many others who are older than you are? Obviously, in your own words, Art talks to the same people and goes to the same sites to post, so do many others who are odler than you. once again, you make rediculous statements that you can't back up, simply adding to your lack of credibility and proving even further how you fabricate things to justify your lude and inapppriate behavior. You're the only one who can't see it, which is natural actually, there aren't many criminals in prison either who openly admit to what they do unlessit's for a plea bargain, they always come up with rediculous things to try to prove their innocence, in your case, everything you come up with goes totally against what everyone can see in your own postings.

again, if it is simply becuse your oler, then why are you the only one with this problem on all these sites where there are hundreds of regulars who are older than you are? (and don't even try to bring up '24' as they aren'tgetting themselves in trouble for indecent behavoir around minors, whatever problem that person had on any fanclub is not the same as your problem).

If this is all because your are 'older' Jeff, then why isn't there a problem with Art and many others who are older than you are? Obviously, in your own words, Art talks to the same people and goes to the same sites to post, so do many others who are odler than you. once again, you make rediculous statements that you can't back up, simply adding to your lack of credibility and proving even further how you fabricate things to justify your lude and inapppriate behavior. You're the only one who can't see it, which is natural actually, there aren't many criminals in prison either who openly admit to what they do unlessit's for a plea bargain, they always come up with rediculous things to try to prove their innocence, in your case, everything you come up with goes totally against what everyone can see in your own postings.

again, if it is simply becuse your oler, then why are you the only one with this problem on all these sites where there are hundreds of regulars who are older than you are? (and don't even try to bring up '24' as they aren'tgetting themselves in trouble for indecent behavoir around minors, whatever problem that person had on any fanclub is not the same as your problem).

If this is all because your are 'older' Jeff, then why isn't there a problem with Art and many others who are older than you are? Obviously, in your own words, Art talks to the same people and goes to the same sites to post, so do many others who are odler than you. once again, you make rediculous statements that you can't back up, simply adding to your lack of credibility and proving even further how you fabricate things to justify your lude and inapppriate behavior. You're the only one who can't see it, which is natural actually, there aren't many criminals in prison either who openly admit to what they do unlessit's for a plea bargain, they always come up with rediculous things to try to prove their innocence, in your case, everything you come up with goes totally against what everyone can see in your own postings.

again, if it is simply becuse your oler, then why are you the only one with this problem on all these sites where there are hundreds of regulars who are older than you are? (and don't even try to bring up '24' as they aren'tgetting themselves in trouble for indecent behavoir around minors, whatever problem that person had on any fanclub is not the same as your problem).

If this is all because your are 'older' Jeff, then why isn't there a problem with Art and many others who are older than you are? Obviously, in your own words, Art talks to the same people and goes to the same sites to post, so do many others who are odler than you. once again, you make rediculous statements that you can't back up, simply adding to your lack of credibility and proving even further how you fabricate things to justify your lude and inapppriate behavior. You're the only one who can't see it, which is natural actually, there aren't many criminals in prison either who openly admit to what they do unlessit's for a plea bargain, they always come up with rediculous things to try to prove their innocence, in your case, everything you come up with goes totally against what everyone can see in your own postings.

again, if it is simply becuse your oler, then why are you the only one with this problem on all these sites where there are hundreds of regulars who are older than you are? (and don't even try to bring up '24' as they aren'tgetting themselves in trouble for indecent behavoir around minors, whatever problem that person had on any fanclub is not the same as your problem).

To Christine

Your comment is trolling and it's really really terrible and doesn't deserve a response and I will actually file a complaint about you to this website.

I really don't think you are normal Christine if you have hate in your heart for someone you don't know at all.

You seriously need some help. Pedophiles are terrible.. that wasn't even an issue here. I happened to post some booty comments and it was taken way too far out of proportion. I was sad about it because all of the other members were posting them as well, and I was targeted because of my age, which if I lied about, I would never have had to go through this. I never lie, so I had to deal with the consequences of being an honest person.

Your post to me is what I see is wrong with the world. Too much hate, judgment, and pent up anger.

We are not like that in Canada.

Chill out, and re-read what a Pedophile actually is before you say I am one.Thanks.

This is my response to Art.

Where did I confess anything?

24 will return I am sure he/she will not let you get away with this.

The support I deserve I am sure will come. I had faith throughout all of the putdowns that support would eventually come my way. It just took a while to come.

"The memory"?

Yes I have learnt a lot of great things. I have made a lot of great friends from this as well... its not like it's been a complete loss. I mean I have lost many things, but I have learnt a lot too.

I have learnt to be kinder, more caring, more loving, sweet, more understanding, quite a bit more cautious about the kinds of people that are on the internet, of course, I have taught a lesson to people about hackers, and cyber-stalking ( e-stalking) I have warned people about bad fan clubs, and bad management, I have helped more people then I know, which is a good thing.

Well if it's been 5 years or 2, the point is, it's gone on for far too long, and this is all of us agreeing on the same thing.

Ya to be honest I basically got screwed because I was older then the other people on the site. I thought I could be myself, and that I could act like myself on the site, and obviously I would never have posted what I did if I knew anything like this would have happened.

Well I appreciate your concern. I have gotten over the majority of issues I had a long time ago. I am a very different person then I was way back when I joined the Kelly fan club in the beginning ( which is why I don't understand why I can't have a fresh start)

I mean if I was given a fresh start I could prove to you how I have changed.

Well, the thing is, I got frusterated when I saw everyone else commenting in the same fashion as me, but I was the one to get banned and the other girls were allowed to say it freely. It just was a difficult thing for me to go through. I hope you understand.

Well I am happy that I gave you a good friend in Alan , Art. I am hoping you both are not as bad people in person as you have been to me on the internet. Most people are much different in person, including me. I am sure we would all get along fine in person. A lot of people are like that. On the computer it's hard to know who you are really talking too... even now, after talking with you all for so long, I really don't know what you would be like if we met. I can imagine what it would be like, but the chances are that what I imagined and what it would really be like are two totally different situations.

In person I am the most non-aggressive, most shy person you would ever meet.

I agree no more prices need to be paid for what happened. I think I have paid a huge price, and the lessons learned are huge.

Ya Kelly is the best.

She loves to teach lessons even if it's difficult to go through, so ya thanks to Kelly Clarkson.

Canada does not protect pedophiles, what they have to have, to put a case together is witness statements and victim statements. I am currently waiting for the crown council and the RCMP in Mission, B.C. to charge Jeff Stackhouse for soliciting a minor for sexual use. Most of Jeff Stackhouse's victims are teenage girls under the age of 18, most of them located in the United States. Most of them he solicited on the MYspace site and various fan club sites on the internet. Wouldn't surprise me if the RCMP has been monitoring this post the whole time.

What Alan and Art need to do is forward their logs and files to the RCMP and Crown Council in Mission, B.C., that would help them build more on the case they have with Jeff. If you are a victim of Jeff you can google search the RCMP (Royal Canadian Mounted Police) for Mission, B.C.. It will give you contact numbers for the RCMP Detachment. The RCMP investigate and turn the info over to the Crown Council to pursue. Once Jeff is arrested (and trust me he will be) then he will be labeled a sex offender under the laws of Canada and the Province of B.C.. Once released he will have to fulfill his conditions of parole, which will probably include not being near any schools, children, posses child pornography, etc.

Jeff tries to deny he did nothing wrong, he has propositioned children for sex on the internet, even by his own words on this site he admits to making sexual jokes with teenagers and underage people to do with Kelly Clarkson's vagina and his Bob (Sponge Bob) in the shower. He thinks it is funny. Once Jeff is locked up he will probably be beaten up by other inmates. It is up now to the Victims of Jeff to contact the RCMP and the Moderators of the websites to turn in the info they have. Not just talk to U.S. Law enforcement but to contact the RCMP. Victims can also contact the U.S. Marshals Office in Seattle and Vancouver, the FBI also has an Office in Seattle and Vancouver, they can take the info to the Canadian Authorities.

Please any victims please contact the Authorities and help get Jeff Stackhouse behind bars. Sounds right eh? Here is the contact info below for the RCMP.

Mission RCMP Municipal Detachment
7171 Oliver Street
Mission, BC V2V 6H2
Office: (604) 826-7161
Fax: (604) 820-3548

Thanks, Tony

It pains me to see that people like Jeff are allowed to roam the world, even if just by internet, with the cloak of being in another country covering him.

As it stands, ALL PEDOPHILES believe that they are not hurting the child. ALL PEDOPHILES believe that what they do is love the child. It is only love in your mind. It is sick and wrong in mine and all normal human beings.

Has anyone considered checking Canada's laws and tip-line to report A PEDOPHILE NAMED JEFF? I am sure that Canada believes in protecting its children as much as America works to protect its children.

I commend people who take the time to watch out for PEDOPHILES, LIKE JEFF, and BAN them from ever belonging, or coming back, to a site which attracts children and teens.

As for this post, to the people doing the good job, not Jeff, I say this: You will waste lots of time responding to his posts and will waste too much of your life trying to prove something his own posts proved. It is VERY apparent, with all his double speak, that this man is truly guilty of being a PEDOPHILE. He can protest his innocence all he wants, to the average reader who just happens upon this post, like myself, it is apparent that he is NOT innocent.

I would recommend that ALL responses to this PEDOPHILE halt, and should he continue to talk to himself, then what is said in truth above, should just be copied and pasted, to show the crazy nut for what he really is, a PEDOPHILE.

I PRAY he has NOT changed the life of an innocent child by misconstruing his fantasy for reality.

I would look into what Canada's rules are for tipping off the authorities about this PEDOPHILE. He deserves to be locked away in a prison, only to be shown the folly of his ways by men who don't take too kindly to PEDOPHILES, such as him.

My words are true and from a mother's heart. I will not reply to your inconsistencies and lies, they are not worth my time.

YOU ARE A PEDOPHILE AND SHOULD BE HUNG BY YOUR TESTICLES, SO YOU CANNOT CAUSE ANYMORE HARM TO CHILDREN.

I am sure that some people truly are banned from websites for getting into tiffs with moderators. However, in this case, it is truly NOT the case. Jeff's own words have shown him to be a PEDOPHILE.

This post is truly beyond a mere banning from a website forum. I hope that others see it for what it truly is: A PEDOPHILE COMPLAINING THAT HE CANNOT TALK TO MINORS AND MAKE SEXUAL COMMENTS TO THEM ANYMORE.

Finally jeff confesses (indirectly) and agrees to quit his whinning. I think it also shows 24 has nothing and he lost any dream of support.

I think alan made a clear posting that is even clear enough for jeff to understand and that jeff now sees plenty has been done and saved to prove it even if he wants to totally deny it or claim modification. Something finally sparked the memory.

Jeff maybe this is not a total loss for you. Honestly, the one bit of advice that you hopefully learned is that you need to think things through a little better and be very careful of what you say and who you make the comments to. Do not guess and assume so many things. Also know that you are responisbile for your own actions. If there is a problem with your actions dont try to push the blame off on somebody else like alan, pinky, morgan or me. It might be hard to believe but not everything dpesmt always go your way. At times life sucks but you cant worry about it and make an issue over it for 5 yrs (by your book) or 2 years which is more like it with the part I am very familiar with regarding kellyville. Sites like kellyville that are mainly message boards are sites you have to be even more careful with. You might not have intended your postings to be so bad but what a 30 yr old finds bad compared to a 14 yr old or the parents of the kid who are concerned with what their child is reading. The protection of kids will always take priority as a precaution (and should) so maybe poor wording, not thinking it through and rush of thought made things seem wrong and out of context. Another great place to get in trouble with kids is myspace, so watch what you post there and know people do remember things and myspace has full access to delete things like your ascii drawing. You have the contradictions where on your myspace you said how you had so much free time and were proud of the drawing you made of kelly and even had KELLY above it. Now you claim you didnt create it so not sure which part is true. However it doesnt matter if you created it of if it was supposed to be kelly or miss canada it is still an example of something you did and didnt think in full. If you still dont want to believe me and take my advice be that way but it is only going to continue to hurt you in the future. Alan and I have honestly tried giving you advice and guidance but you seem to feel we are just out to hurt you in every way we can and honestly if you pay attention to things you would know that is not true. You should go to speak to someone for help and advice and see what a counciler/doctor/advisor might tell you and take their advice. I bet that person would make suggestions similar to the ones we have to this day

Regarding your comment that you consider the being bullied one, you are going to be in shock when a real life issue of bullying takes place with a serious issue or battle in life. I dont know how you can say alan or I bullied you in any way as we just used the facts and experiences we have been through to this point. I am not sure if you totally believe alan and I arenot the same person but I promise we are. I think we are similiar in several ways since we are close in age, both self employed, we deal with issue like this or some other problem daily and we have both dealt with you before and in your case we both had the dealing with you as being a bad experience for you. But maybe you learned something from this like show a little more respect, don't be so agressive and grant people privacy. If you step away for awhile and dont press the point to such an extent things go better.

Once again I thank you since if it wasnt for the problems with you I would not have the friend I now do with alan. I have never met him or even talked to him on the phone but know I can get help from him if needed and he knows if he is needing help with something he can contact me. If there wasnt an issue with you would never have been added to kellyville staff and if I was not staff there are a lot of people I now chat with and have become friends with that I never would have met. 2 of these people are now 2 of my great friends to this day and I only met them due to complaints they had about you (whether true or not). Whatever the case I have some great friends through all this.

So now that you are willing to accept the price you paid for your actions and move on maybe things will only get better for you and just remember to think things through before actions are taken in the future so no more prices are paid that are prices you dont want to pay.

Art

KELLY ROX

ps: I guess a special thanks is owed to kelly clarkson too as without her NONE of this would have ever taken place. So, kelly, jeff and alan THANKS for leading to so many friends.

Finally jeff confesses (indirectly) and agrees to quit his whinning. I think it also shows 24 has nothing and he lost any dream of support.

I think alan made a clear posting that is even clear enough for jeff to understand and that jeff now sees plenty has been done and saved to prove it even if he wants to totally deny it or claim modification. Something finally sparked the memory.

Jeff maybe this is not a total loss for you. Honestly, the one bit of advice that you hopefully learned is that you need to think things through a little better and be very careful of what you say and who you make the comments to. Do not guess and assume so many things. Also know that you are responisbile for your own actions. If there is a problem with your actions dont try to push the blame off on somebody else like alan, pinky, morgan or me. It might be hard to believe but not everything dpesmt always go your way. At times life sucks but you cant worry about it and make an issue over it for 5 yrs (by your book) or 2 years which is more like it with the part I am very familiar with regarding kellyville. Sites like kellyville that are mainly message boards are sites you have to be even more careful with. You might not have intended your postings to be so bad but what a 30 yr old finds bad compared to a 14 yr old or the parents of the kid who are concerned with what their child is reading. The protection of kids will always take priority as a precaution (and should) so maybe poor wording, not thinking it through and rush of thought made things seem wrong and out of context. Another great place to get in trouble with kids is myspace, so watch what you post there and know people do remember things and myspace has full access to delete things like your ascii drawing. You have the contradictions where on your myspace you said how you had so much free time and were proud of the drawing you made of kelly and even had KELLY above it. Now you claim you didnt create it so not sure which part is true. However it doesnt matter if you created it of if it was supposed to be kelly or miss canada it is still an example of something you did and didnt think in full. If you still dont want to believe me and take my advice be that way but it is only going to continue to hurt you in the future. Alan and I have honestly tried giving you advice and guidance but you seem to feel we are just out to hurt you in every way we can and honestly if you pay attention to things you would know that is not true. You should go to speak to someone for help and advice and see what a counciler/doctor/advisor might tell you and take their advice. I bet that person would make suggestions similar to the ones we have to this day

Regarding your comment that you consider the being bullied one, you are going to be in shock when a real life issue of bullying takes place with a serious issue or battle in life. I dont know how you can say alan or I bullied you in any way as we just used the facts and experiences we have been through to this point. I am not sure if you totally believe alan and I arenot the same person but I promise we are. I think we are similiar in several ways since we are close in age, both self employed, we deal with issue like this or some other problem daily and we have both dealt with you before and in your case we both had the dealing with you as being a bad experience for you. But maybe you learned something from this like show a little more respect, don't be so agressive and grant people privacy. If you step away for awhile and dont press the point to such an extent things go better.

Once again I thank you since if it wasnt for the problems with you I would not have the friend I now do with alan. I have never met him or even talked to him on the phone but know I can get help from him if needed and he knows if he is needing help with something he can contact me. If there wasnt an issue with you would never have been added to kellyville staff and if I was not staff there are a lot of people I now chat with and have become friends with that I never would have met. 2 of these people are now 2 of my great friends to this day and I only met them due to complaints they had about you (whether true or not). Whatever the case I have some great friends through all this.

So now that you are willing to accept the price you paid for your actions and move on maybe things will only get better for you and just remember to think things through before actions are taken in the future so no more prices are paid that are prices you dont want to pay.

Art

KELLY ROX

ps: I guess a special thanks is owed to kelly clarkson too as without her NONE of this would have ever taken place. So, kelly, jeff and alan THANKS for leading to so many friends.

Finally jeff confesses (indirectly) and agrees to quit his whinning. I think it also shows 24 has nothing and he lost any dream of support.

I think alan made a clear posting that is even clear enough for jeff to understand and that jeff now sees plenty has been done and saved to prove it even if he wants to totally deny it or claim modification. Something finally sparked the memory.

Jeff maybe this is not a total loss for you. Honestly, the one bit of advice that you hopefully learned is that you need to think things through a little better and be very careful of what you say and who you make the comments to. Do not guess and assume so many things. Also know that you are responisbile for your own actions. If there is a problem with your actions dont try to push the blame off on somebody else like alan, pinky, morgan or me. It might be hard to believe but not everything dpesmt always go your way. At times life sucks but you cant worry about it and make an issue over it for 5 yrs (by your book) or 2 years which is more like it with the part I am very familiar with regarding kellyville. Sites like kellyville that are mainly message boards are sites you have to be even more careful with. You might not have intended your postings to be so bad but what a 30 yr old finds bad compared to a 14 yr old or the parents of the kid who are concerned with what their child is reading. The protection of kids will always take priority as a precaution (and should) so maybe poor wording, not thinking it through and rush of thought made things seem wrong and out of context. Another great place to get in trouble with kids is myspace, so watch what you post there and know people do remember things and myspace has full access to delete things like your ascii drawing. You have the contradictions where on your myspace you said how you had so much free time and were proud of the drawing you made of kelly and even had KELLY above it. Now you claim you didnt create it so not sure which part is true. However it doesnt matter if you created it of if it was supposed to be kelly or miss canada it is still an example of something you did and didnt think in full. If you still dont want to believe me and take my advice be that way but it is only going to continue to hurt you in the future. Alan and I have honestly tried giving you advice and guidance but you seem to feel we are just out to hurt you in every way we can and honestly if you pay attention to things you would know that is not true. You should go to speak to someone for help and advice and see what a counciler/doctor/advisor might tell you and take their advice. I bet that person would make suggestions similar to the ones we have to this day

Regarding your comment that you consider the being bullied one, you are going to be in shock when a real life issue of bullying takes place with a serious issue or battle in life. I dont know how you can say alan or I bullied you in any way as we just used the facts and experiences we have been through to this point. I am not sure if you totally believe alan and I arenot the same person but I promise we are. I think we are similiar in several ways since we are close in age, both self employed, we deal with issue like this or some other problem daily and we have both dealt with you before and in your case we both had the dealing with you as being a bad experience for you. But maybe you learned something from this like show a little more respect, don't be so agressive and grant people privacy. If you step away for awhile and dont press the point to such an extent things go better.

Once again I thank you since if it wasnt for the problems with you I would not have the friend I now do with alan. I have never met him or even talked to him on the phone but know I can get help from him if needed and he knows if he is needing help with something he can contact me. If there wasnt an issue with you would never have been added to kellyville staff and if I was not staff there are a lot of people I now chat with and have become friends with that I never would have met. 2 of these people are now 2 of my great friends to this day and I only met them due to complaints they had about you (whether true or not). Whatever the case I have some great friends through all this.

So now that you are willing to accept the price you paid for your actions and move on maybe things will only get better for you and just remember to think things through before actions are taken in the future so no more prices are paid that are prices you dont want to pay.

Art

KELLY ROX

ps: I guess a special thanks is owed to kelly clarkson too as without her NONE of this would have ever taken place. So, kelly, jeff and alan THANKS for leading to so many friends.

Jeff, I posted screenshot images of your 'ascii' drawing, with Kelly's name on it, and the words SEXY under it also in ascii.. it also says it took YOU awhile to draw it and you're proud of it..

Whether it was meant to be Kelly or not is not the point, it was a nude drawing nota appropriate for all to see, against MySpace terms, they removed it, you got pissed about it, and we ahve screenshots of your rants about it being removed.

As for 'trying to contact Pinky', you didn't try to email him towards the end, you started only weeks after you were banned, which was after several warnings,, which are also all saved. Your first warning was over your screenname and comments you made in every post you did about Kelly's 'BOOTY', which were reported by many members. You're reply to this first warning was 'why can girls discuss it, but not me?'.

You've already admitted to the things you did right on this report, now your going back to denying everything you already admitted to. You need serious professional help with your issues. For your own good, you should seek some.

ou file complaints liek this one, with innacurate information (like saying you've been dealing with it for 5 years when the fan club is only 3 years old, and your account is still there with when you joined it in 2005) Your the one who pointed fingers at people not knowing who did what, accusing people of things you can't even prove. 75% of your psots here have nothing to do with you're complaint, it's more of a personal thing which proves more you have the mentality of a child, not a 30 year old man.
This report and your ramblings are even more reason to keep you banned for life from al the sites you've been banned on. Do you honestly think all you did to get yourself banned on the fan club wasn't provided to their insurance company and lawyers for review? that's standard procedure in case some crazy lunatic like yourself decides to file a lawsuit, they have everything documented ready to present to a judge or arbitrator. You have absolutly no clue how things work in the real world, never mind knowing what you're getting yourself into. The more you banter on, make false accusations, false statements, make claims without proof, the more you hurt yourself. Anyone who tries to explain it to you, you refuse to listen, and isntantly start pointing fingers at them claiming their agaisnt you as well.
Fact: the world is not against Jeff STackhouse, FACT: the world could care less about Jeff Stackhouse. Nothing centers around you except your own life, in spite of how much you wish everything did (like starting your own fan club, and pretending your an important person in the entertainment business with all these celebrity friends who don't even know who you are). You hven't the slightest clue who you talk to online, or who those people know, you don't think for a single second that maybe when you tell you stories to people, they may be able to check and see if it's true or not.
I've tried to help you, including in this very report.. you refuse to hear what you did wrong, even what you admit to, you continue to deny and blame others for. The only person you have to blame is yourself.

Alan,

I never denied anything, Pinky said to wait a year and I was in the middle of asking him what went on. He said " you didn't do anything" and then I said then "why do I have to wait a year if I didn't do anything" but I when things were worked out, yes I did wait the year. I got a bit antsy at the end because there was no one to answer my questions and Pinky had disappeared.

I don't think you should be able to ban whenever you feel like banning, that's a really terrible thing law to have in my opinion.

Alan like I told you, the five years was from when I was a fan, not in the Fan club, I believe the fan club has been around about 3 or more years, and I have been dealing with pretty much since I joined unfortunately. I don't need anyone twisting my words.

I DID NOT CONTACT YOU : meaning exactly what I said before listen please. I was dealing with Pinky G. I was talking to him about this and his statement "You did nothing wrong, BUT I will have to ban you for a year just in case" was just strange to me, and I was e-mailing him during that time until we got it worked out. I think waited the year, and I e mailed Pinky because I had heard nothing, and wouldn't you know, no one was there named Pinky any more. So I e-mailed Alan and Morgan and anyone I could find and I think that is what you are talking about. How would you like it, if you were told you could be back on a site, and then you find out the person who promised that to you is gone?

OK ALAN, listen please for the last time ok, your question "how is dening you drew an ascii nude drawing at all, then stating it wasn't of Kelly, in spite of it having her name on it, being consistant on your part?"
is first of all "nonesense" that I know you don't like , so why ask it?

Second, I never did that, and it's not of Kelly. It looks to me to be of a random girl. I saw it on Facebook the other day and if I see it again I will copy and past it to prove you are lying.

It is quite popular on websites and people have been forwarding it around a lot.

Kelly's name wasn't on it at all. Where are you getting your info?

Can you honestly say a girl like that looks like Kelly in anyway shape or form?

Plus I am horrible with computers. I could never use those symbols to make that type of art, however it is well done.

It was there ya, but it's still up on many many many people's myspaces and facebooks, it's just that some person on your side, not sure who it was I won't make a judgment on who I think it is, but someone told myspace on me. No one cares about that, I have seen much worse stuff on most people's facebooks and myspace, are you out to get me...Yes.

Well I think you guys waited so long to post here because I think you didn't know it was up, I think once you found out you started to talk back.

...and no more "nonsense" posts please ( as Alan would say) I have no time/energy for it.

Your looking for contradictions where they aren't any, you looking at a piece of artwork as depicting someone who it is not...why?

I don't appreciate you guys trying to make things up and saying things about me that are not true. Sure I want this to end as much as anyone but you and Art keep posting and that doesn't make it stop any faster, sure I should not post much, but when I am brief you guys ask more questions so I have to keep explaining things.

I didn't even post that much on here for a long while. I was even posting very brief statements because I am sick of it.

I think what needs to be said from all of us ( ART, ME , ALAN) is now said. If we can't work it out, which you all said we can't, then we will just let it die out and I'll hopefully sell the rights to it.

I sure can do "it" and I will.

Just tell Art and the rest of the bullies to leave me alone.

Thank you

Jeff

( PS: If "24" does posts that's up to him/her but at least lets NOT post anymore ( ME, ALAN, ART ) )

What's said is said. What is done is done. The points are made.

Not really the point Art. I was saying that you guys are saying you are perfect, and I am asking if you are Jesus.. because he was the only person alive in history that was considered "perfect" ( or as perfect as possible )

Well I have my doubts if Jesus trusted everyone. ( I am pretty sure that Jesus didn't trust everyone... actually Jesus knew that people didn't trust him )

All websites can alter material posted. Just because it's on a website doesn't make it real. Do you read and believe everything in the National Enquirer? That newspaper clams everything in it is real, but unless you believe in 3 headed dragons and plates of spaghetti that look like Jesus then you are not believing "the facts".

When did I ever say I was Jesus? I never said I was Jesus. I am saying that you are not perfect ( and you were claiming you were) and that all of you there have and will do things that are not right. We all do that. We try our best not to... but no one is perfect... not even me.

Well when "24" provides his proof, my proof becomes backed up because if happened to him or her it's easy to understand how and why it happened to me as well.

Just wait and be patient and don't keep obsessing over altered facts, that's getting old.

Jeff

You jsut admitted what you have been denying Jeff.. you were told to wait one year, and not to conact any of us. There were no questions, and no reason for you to contact any of us. you constantly emailed us about being let back on, and constantly told it wasn't going to happen for a year. You refused to stop, and your ban became perminent.

Saying 5 years is very important. You stated you've been 'dealing' with this for 5 years.. that is a false statement (as many of your statements are). What you mean to say won't hold up in any court, but what you do say will. You expect people to believe anything you say when you make comments like 'dealing with this for 5 years' on a complaint about a fan club that's only been around for 3 years. That only shows how you exagerate and twist things even more in an atttempt to make people feel sorry for you.
You're exact words, inclduing in this report, was'I did not contact you', and ehre you are saying how you did. How do you justify that? I have been very direct in exactly what you have done, and what you do wrong over and over again, and here you are continueing to do the same things.

You say there is nothing but consistancy in what you post here? how is dening you drew an ascii nude drawing at all, then stating it wasn't of Kelly, in spite of it having her name on it, being consistant on your part? The fact of that one is, you did it, it was there, it was inappropriate, MySpace removed it, and you decided to blame everyone else for what you did wrong.

You could have very easily just stayed away, followed directions and not contacted people who asked you not to contact them, listened to people denied you on their myspace rather than continuing to try and add them, and not point fingers at people you assume did things when in fact, they didn't, and you probably would ahve been back on the sites for another chance a long time ago, but did you listen? of course not. Instead, you do things like this report, claiming we all started everything, yet, we didn't even respond to this report until it was already going for 6 months.

Just remember one thing Jeff, as you continue your nonsense on ehre, this all gets archived on search engines and internet archives for anyone to bring up and see. Your only furthering your risk of other sites denying you access as a precaution from your own words. I told you several times to choose your words carefully and re-read what you state, you haven't. You're only continuing to hurt yourself. There's nothing anyone can do to help you at this point, the damage is already done by you. You're only salvation is to give it all a long rest already and not give anyone else a reason to go checking on things you may have done elsewhere. I personally don't think you can do it, or you would have a long time ago.

Jeff

Keep in mind that if you are going to mention Jesus and how he is the perfect person, Jesus would also trust all of us not just who you want him to trust. You have never answered the question or proven that the only documents that will not be considered altered are the ones that favor you. We can all play that game and yours and your supporters are the ones who are altering. As an example one of alans posting is directly from another website, go check that website and you will see it was not altered. With the proof that alan didnt alter that one we shall believe he is not altering anything.

If we need to believe and trust one person all people deserve the same creditibility unless you are Jesus you have no right to be superior to any of us and decide who is to be trusted and who will not be.

Are you Jesus? I don't think so either so I am (along with alan) just as credible as you and 24 or any other person you want to believe. You dont set the rules and know or pick who to trust and who is lying or modifying. I say trust all and will believe 24 if I am believed as well. If I and alan are not credible neither are your supporters. Just remember you are not the one in charge of the choosing whose proof is modified. Also remember that even if 24 was screwed over by the fanclub and/or whoever else still doesnt prove it is for the same reason you were or that it didnt happen to you for a different reason. All cases are individual cases and based on facts of each case.

Well what I mean by five years is when I first became a fan of Kelly C.

Whenever you think I joined or didn't join has really nothing to do with what happened.

My facts remain the same. I can't find any inconsistent writings.

The being patient thing was not intended as a joke at all. I don't think it's funny that you saw it that way.

I never "bugged" anyone first of all. And I truly did mean it when I said I waited a year and when I asked Pinky in a year he was not there. I may have asked a few questions in the meantime but it was not bugging. I just wanted to know what they thought I did so I could try to understand what happened.

When did I admit to bugging people after a week? I never admitted it because I didn't do that.

Whining is not part of this report, Alan. Can I not speak out without you saying it's whining? Whatever happened to freedom of speech?

Altering facts? Denying things? Sorry never happened in my posts.

I haven't read this whole thing and never will. When I write it's to get my thoughts out of me. I never said I would re-read all of it. I'd rather write a book then read this. ( or almost anything else)

Oh and not to down play the seriousness of all of what happened to me here but if anyone in hollywood wants to make this into a movie, which I think would be very compelling, seeing as we are getting people that are not even involved posting, I will sell the rights to it for 5-10 million, which can be negotiated. Hey, I never got anything from the the sites... think of the countless hours and the stress and torment that I had to endure and I don't see the KCFV or Kellyville handing over any money, so I will just sell the rights to the rip off report.. since it is my Rip Off Report....and live happily ever after.

I can see it now

Steve Buscemi as Alan
Brad Pitt as Jeff
Danny Devito as Art

With Jamie Lynn Spears and Miley Cyrus as the young girls on msn employed by the websites to stalk Jeff.

Dane Cook as "24" for some hard-hitting comedy (and facts)

And featuring a very special appearance by Miss Kelly Clarkson as herself

I think it would make MILLIONS.

With new Music By Kelly, Reba, Graham Colton, Rooney and more!

Just an idea the industry can take a look at. The movies these days making $44 million in the first week ( Cloverfield ) have nothing on this idea. I mean a whole movie of shaky camcorder footage makes that much ???( and ya I did see it) ...come on this will make 50 million first weekend no problem... but the budget to make it could be quite high with these well-paid actors and the rights to the story, director , SFX, ect.

It wouldn't be a SFX picture, but could have some CGI in the parts where the viruses take shape of crazy bug type monsters going into my computer. and they find there way in and then destroy the evidence, like evidence seeking creepy ugly things, so the audience is inside the computer with the viruses sent out by the computer hacker.

I'm getting into this really deeply, if the writers want more ideas for the script I can help out, I have tons of ideas for this.

With the right cast, and director and screenplay this is pure entertainment while giving the audience some difficult issues to ponder, while also giving some comedy and horror elements, with a love story, throughout, and with
amazing musical performances actually IN the film. I want it PACKED with awesome music that drive the film as opposed to background music. Almost a musical, but no singing of dialogue, because that could be cheesy. But I want the music to create the moods in nearly every scene. Sometimes very haunting choirs to really bring out how frightening it was, ect.

Jeff

5 years again? Jeff, the fan club hasn't been around for 5 years, it started February, 2005, you joined in late March, 2005, and you joined Kellyville in early 2006. You can't get your own stories straight, and you expect anyone to believe things you say. Your line about being patient really mde me laugh, if you were patient and waited a year isntead of bugging everyone after only a few weeks (and don't deny it again, you've already admitted you did right here), you wouldn't be here whining about it all.
You have this habit of admitting things, then altering facts and denying the things you admit to, over and over and over again. You keep lowering your credability each time you post. I strongly suggest you re-read this whole page from start to finish, take notes of your own words.

Just a very brief comment to Art ( who appears to be trying to stir up what was a very calm pot ) with his 2 posts in a row.

First of all EVERYONE can become a better person, unless you are Jesus, are you Jesus Art? Because if you are saying that none of you can be better people you are telling us all that the Kelly Clarkson Fan Club is full of 4 Jesus's and we all know that isn't true.

Well I think you attacked me. I am looking out for people on the internet as well from people that I can't mention wink wink.

And your anxiety about getting the proof and setting up an e mail account is more then odd. I don't think we have to rush "24", I think when he wants to send it or she wants to send it then it will be sent. If I was "24" I'd post it, instead of sending it to that e mail because we don't want to see any doctored "proof" this time around.

I guess he/she will send the proof soon, just don't keep pushing the issue , some people go online once a week. I' am sure this will be the real deal.

Be patient.

I have been patient for 5 years, you can wait.

I believe I failed to include that hotmail address in the previous postings. Both of you say you have so much proof that you will gladly send me directly and if you have it and are serious then send_the_proof and let me see it. It would go a lot quicker to use hotmail since the postings on this site are only updated once a day things take longer. so use the hotmail address ( to ) send_the_proof

Jeff

Just make note that there is no way for alan, pinky, morgan, jenbug or me to become better people. You might not find us bad people but it is hard to be perfect with everyone. But all of us are loved, apppreciated and cared for by others for helping watch over kids, making it safer on the internet for that sake all over the world and protecting them from people like one I wont mention to keep this an indirect statement and no direct attack

Ya I am moving on I just don't want you guys to say I am lying.. I really don't appreciate that, or how you make fun of me. It is disgusting and all of you did it on these sites.

If you didn't want to read it you didn't have to no one was forcing you to read this.

I wrote this because I felt treated unfair, which I will always feel, so if I don't have the right to feel my own feelings what do I really have?

You don't have the right to take away my feelings.

Ya I was on the FC from day one. Well Alan may have only gone after certain people. There are 4 of us it happened to not just me now.

Like I said Jen, just because Alan did nothing to you doesn't mean that nothing happened to me or the other 3 of us.f

Well ya I know Alan speaks to younger fans I just hope that none of it was actually uncalled for.

Well I have never been to the UK Kelly site so I have no idea where you are getting your info from.

I just want to move on so please let us all do that.

Having you come on here is just making matters worse for us all.

I am not making a fool out of anyone, I am trying to help art and alan and you and morgan and pinky and whoever else was involved to be better people... that is all.

Well one bob joke is not "too far" in my opinion. Like I said far worse stuff is said everyday on there, and I think it was sexism and ageism that played the biggest role in all of this... for real I know what happened.

Well if your main point was moving on and having us all move on why did you have to stir up the pot again.

I have not made slanderous acts against anyone! Can't you see that I made this report because they made the slander up against me???

I asked Alan to get rid of it.... if it's on the UK site then I'll have to see if they will get rid of it too. I didn't know there was anything on that one... it's too bad. I think a few people did this all as a joke.. no matter if it was alan or art or if they wanted it to happen it happened and it's no joke.

Take care

Jeff

Ok so I've sad and read this for long enough.
I used to help out on KCKV when I was 14/15 and for one Jeff the things you keep saying about Alan are ridiculous! Sorry but I'm 19 nearly 20 now and I've known alan through a big chunk of my teens and the stuff you're trying to claim is beyond stupid so coming from a teen who did speak to Alan, Jeff you're deffinately the one lying here!

Alan made KV so younger fans had a place to go and for the moderators and admins to learn how to work a website, he taught me HTML and everything else I need to know about making a website thats what Alan does when he's speaking to younger fans!

You on the other hand I've heard numerous complaints about you talking to underage girls. I now help on Kellys official UK site and we've had people posting warning messages to other fans not to add you due to messages you've sent to people.

It's quite disturbing.

I was around during a lot of the time where Alan was trying to get you to keep to the rules on Kellyville and you had numerous chances to sort your act out. You act as if no one gave you a chance but people saw just how many chances you were given, which is why you're making a fool out of yourself.

The official fanclub is pretty laid back with people but you took things to far and for some reason you just can't seem to realise that.

My main point I was trying to make though was you need to move on. Stop making slanderous acts towards other people and sort yourself out.

Jeff

I will only address a few of the issues and worry of others if needed in the future

1) I don't lie either and with all my expierence in working with alan he has been straight forward and never lied to me so I still believe him. Knowing about experiences with you I know who the one is to believe.

2) You knew the girls and chatted with them well before me. I have thanked you before, as it is due to the terrible talk you had with them that I got to know them, and alan. I find the 3 of them good friends that I never would have got to know so well if you didnt cause the problems, so there is one advantage to this.

3) You keep thinking you behavior is justified and comparable since I now know and chat with these 2 people and them still being younger. There is a big difference in terms of the conversations we have compared to what you did. Nothing says you cant be friends with younger people it is a matter of what type of friendship or relation. I am told you have plenty of younger "friends" on myspace.

4) I never said you personally had a chat with donald duck. You commented to me about donald duck always cussing

5) The watermelon pics have to be in your imagination I have no clue where to find that type of pic, if any really exist and I am not going to search either

6) Nobody would have known to have sexual talk with you? What is meant by that? You had plenty of conversations with the girls and others that I was no part of

7) 9-11 has nothing to do with what you did or what I think of you

8) Who said any of us like wars? There are times things like this happen and at times needed. If not for some we wouldnt have the freedom we do today. But once again this has nothing to do with this issue, there are a lot of sad things today

9) At least you see our point of views but need to see the full story and happenings

10) Regarding '24' and his postings I don't think we will be able to believe they were not edited. You keep saying it is so easy to do so he is probably in the process and that is why it is taking so long.

11) We have not slandered you we are just telling the truth

12) I dont think you and 24 have any clue of what hacking is. How do you think anybody whether it be me, alan, pinky, morgan or whoever else you think it might have been it is not a thing that is easy or that is done to an individual. Not possible to explain to you

13) Don't compare your "art work" to the sistine chapel. You had Kelly above your picture. But if not kelly and is pamela anderson what does it matter? Any which way you just admitted you did a nude lady/girl

I wish '24' would finish his editing his things so we can see how similar his fairy tales are

Art

No matter how much Jeff Rambles on, it is obvious that he is just not winning this argument. The guy is so worked up over a fan site that he just doesn't get it. Jeff no one cares about your opinions or the stupid attempts you make to cover your molester behavior on line with kids.

I hope when the Crown Council charges you in Mission, B.C. that they don't go easy on you. I hope the Judge also orders you to get some real mental help. Stop blaming everything on your anxiety issues.

Stop slandering people on this website. Stop wasting everyone's time with your nonsense and endless writing. No one buys it Jeff. The fact is you acting perverted with teenage girls and got banned from the Kelly Site. You have been banned from many other sites as well. Thank God someone is.

Art,

I guess we are all anxiously awaiting "24"'s proof.

I am not restarting anything, just responding to your list.

1) So you admit to talking to teens. That's step one.
2) You don't have to try to make me feel bad just because you got freinds on Kellyville and I don't. I have met quite a few people on those sites that also complained about you and Alan and the gang.
3) Honestly I don't talk sex with anyone, older or younger, I have no reason to do so.
4) I also do not lie, ...your truth must be pretty wacked out.
5) No one is on bad terms with me...as far as I know.
6) I disagree, I think you introduced me to the girls, and you certainly encouraged sex talk, when I didn't want to.
7) I have never had a chat with Donald Duck. DD is not necessarily a character just for kids.
8) I got watermelon pics ( people doing sexual things to watermelons from you ) I remember this very clearly.
9) Again, I clearly remember you encouraging these girls to pray upon me, which I now find out are minors, ( no one would have ever known) to have sexual conversations with me.
10) 9-11 changed a lot. It could have had a lot to do with this... while you did not totally realize it. A lot of people in the USA are paranoid and are trying to blame almost everyone for there problems. I do care about everyone in the USA and about everyone who had to deal with 9-11. I also made several videos on 9-11, and dedicated them all to the families of the victims that suffered beyond all belief . I did quite a lot of research on 9-11, and I am not trying to put the blame for what you guys did to me on 9-11, but I think subconsciously, it may have played more of a role then we think. People are dying from 9-11 even today...with the particles of smoke and debris still effecting peoples lungs. If it's still killing people today, then there is a pretty big chance that it did or could have made you guys extra paranoid ...coming from New York especially.
11) I think Wars are the big battles and even wars should not have to happen. If you think of war, it's the most crazy thing in the world.. people killing each other?? For what? oil? Land? Who cares? This is not a battle this is more like two kids having a "yo mamas so fat" competition and the problem here is that yo mama jokes or comments can go on and on. Whenever I say it's over you guys make a new list. I didn't want to respond and I wasn't going to but with new actually real evidence on it's way I thought I should.

12) Art and Alan and all of you guys, I can see your POV and the reasons you may have flown off the handle, but it was 200% not unnecessary and it was 200% wrong.

It seems this other person with the evidence, was also for a lack of a much better word "Screwed" over by all of you as well. So I don't feel to alone anymore. I have no clue who this person is, and where they are from, but what happened to them is SO SIMILAR to what happened to me, that I don't think it would happen to 2 people by the same people if there was not some shady stuff going on.

The thing that makes no sense to me is that "24" had his computer hacked and that also happened to me by the management of this company you work for . I am not saying you did it or alan did it personally... but I am saying one of the heads of the company did do it.

13) Oh thanks for at least saying that you feel for me being screwed over by the fan club and other sites that does mean a lot to me actually. I can see all points of view in our situation here, but what I didn't like was when Alan was taking a very stern view and I didn't really feel he was looking at things from all angles. ( More or less just thinking of himself and I thought that attitude was quite selfish seeing there is more then just him involved here) Well it's great to want safer sites, I am all for that, I am just not for blaming everything on me, or making stuff up about me , and then posting it on the internet for all too see, that was taking a bad situation and making it a million times worse.

14) Well I know what took place also and I don't really care to talk to anymore lying teenagers. I had to deal with more then enough of them when you and I had those 3 way chats, which I never really understood why we were having those.( and suggestions?)

15) I don't think there is any reason for any person to fear anyone else in this particular case. I know for a fact I never typed anything to any girls that was remotely sexual unless you guys said they were over 18 or they told me they were.

16) I think it would be nice to hear from both Pinky and Morgan. I have a number of hard-hitting questions for them both and I would like to hear their answers.

17) There are 2 reasons you will know that "24" is not me. While we had the same thing happen to us, the way you can tell it is not me is because

1) all my proof was stolen and hacked from me in various ways. I am still dealing with this a few years later. If I had the proof ,. I would have shared it with you immediately.

2) also I can't post as a consumer comment, I can only submit my replies as author, a sure-fire way to know that this person is for real, and has nothing to do with me. I am actually pretty surprised someone came forward. ( Actually quite happy and I was not expecting this in any way. )

Art just so you know #18 is your next letters #1. I don't know why you go on and on. You guys complain about me but you are going on and on about this yourself do please do not blame me for "rants". You guys have given us more then enough of your own rants for me to respond to endlessly. I can't go on and on with no one responding. It takes 2 to tango so they say.

18) Well thanks. I need more credit where credit is due around this place.

19) Well, I have my own idea on why this all happened but you guys wouldn't like to hear it. So I will be nice and not say anything at all.

20) No blame here. Just facts, and what I went through.

21) I can't comment on Alan at the moment but I would say some things but he's gets quite angry I might be able to e mail you what I think, but then you would probably e mail it to Alan and things would get worse so use your imagination to what I think.

22) On the contrary I do not believe I even know one person from the UK, and especially no girls/females.

23) Well you guys gave me your slander to the max. I was not giving slander back to you, I was simply trying to explain the truth of the situation. ( and the only reason I have no proof is because someone hacked it all away from me because it was in inside job)

24) I wish you and Alan would stop about your inappropriate whatever you think I did kick. I told you there was never anything inappropriate on any site I ever went on or made. I never made that stupid ascii thing and that was not a naked Kelly.( It's just you guys with you heads in the gutter as ALWAYS!!!) Kelly doesn't even have giant breasts!!!! Gosh. Do you even know what Kelly Clarkson looks like????? She does not look like that. I could see if it had a big booty but those breasts were not at all Kelly size..Pamela Anderson size yes... NOT KELLY! Sorry to Kelly for talking about her body, it is not something I wanted to say here at all but these guys have no clue what they are talking about and if anyone saw what these two lunatics are saying they would see it was clearly not Kelly. Kelly is the coolest and most awesome singer in the world and I hope she just laughs at this. And also in the Sistine Chapel, the holiest of holy places, yes all the characters are naked. I rest my case.

25) If "24" has proof, I am all for it. It is probably the same proof as I lost when this company hacked me. I am 100% for seeing his proof because I think it will show what these people we are dealing with are really like. Shady, very Shady. Remember these people I have dealt with are computer wizards. They can create any document and make it look real, fake an msn chat, heck they came into my own home through my internet and took a lot of my personal documents along with my proof. Maybe "24" just got lucky that he wasn't totally hacked and was lucky enough to be able to provide the truth.

He is clearly about as upset over this as I am... and I thought I wouldn't see anyone so upset as I was.

In response to "24" and in regards to the people I and him are against. I would just like to say when you see the proof I am hoping that some of you or all of you will perhaps fess up to doing this, or that people who have proper logical minds will be able to find this proof to provide a lot of major insight into what happened to me.

It looks as through "24" not only has his own personal proof, but also has someone else coming forward with proof.

He was also hacked by the company with proof from his computer technician.

Well "24" Pinky and the others, are very cold hearted and they never see things from the fans point of view. I asked them all many times to talk things out, I still ask this but they never respond. If they responded to me even once when I asked where my membership was after the year, there would never have even been a problem. They just vanish. Many fans are looking for these people but they are "in hiding" somewhere.

I also remember getting threats from the same people. I wish I had those to show as well, but I was hacked ( which it looks like they were trying to do to you as well ) I have never heard of a fan club that would hack into the fans computers, it seems very extreme to me... but I believe it because I had it happen to me too. ( it's just to ridiculous! )

Anyhow this Case is officially Closed now. (*but in the case that art/alan/pinky/morgan/joe/or"24" post after this post and I see the need to comment I may offer a brief and non-judgmental comment)

I hope this has been a mostly non- biased view. I want everyone to be able to have there say, and not be as one-sided and some people have been in the past.

Thanks and Happy New Year to us all. ( I hope we can soon see this proof and briefly write a few paragraphs on it perhaps and then be on are merry way in 2008. )

Thanks all,

Jeff

Oh PS: I just wanted to mention quickly that while I don't agree with what the other party did to me, I do want to say I care about all people involved and don't want to make things harder on me or anyone else. Just wanted to state what happened and see if this had ever happened to anyone else.

ok guys, thanks to those who believe me and for those who don't...quit readin this and worryin about it. I will not rest my case with echomusic until they are run outta nashville and out of artists/bands lives. I have been on vacation in florida until today. my proof as well as my best friends proof is on my old computer, so I will have to get the files from it asap. my computer was hacked into by them also. my computer tech proved that when he said there was another computer viewing my every move.

In all my attempts to call people working for and with Terri was stopped due to this. I even called TBA entertainment in nashville, "Terri's management", but when I called, Clarence spalding refused to answer me back, cause his secretary said Pinky had already called and talked to him about me...I was like what? Do you know what you're talking about? I never got help. Just to let you know,, my best friend and I never got the chance to tell Terri herself, but we went on new yrs eve to see her in concert at cypress gardens in winter haven last monday nite. We were hoping to get to run into her somewhere, but never did.
I will post the threats soon as I get on my old computer. Thanks

ok guys, thanks to those who believe me and for those who don't...quit readin this and worryin about it. I will not rest my case with echomusic until they are run outta nashville and out of artists/bands lives. I have been on vacation in florida until today. my proof as well as my best friends proof is on my old computer, so I will have to get the files from it asap. my computer was hacked into by them also. my computer tech proved that when he said there was another computer viewing my every move.

In all my attempts to call people working for and with Terri was stopped due to this. I even called TBA entertainment in nashville, "Terri's management", but when I called, Clarence spalding refused to answer me back, cause his secretary said Pinky had already called and talked to him about me...I was like what? Do you know what you're talking about? I never got help. Just to let you know,, my best friend and I never got the chance to tell Terri herself, but we went on new yrs eve to see her in concert at cypress gardens in winter haven last monday nite. We were hoping to get to run into her somewhere, but never did.
I will post the threats soon as I get on my old computer. Thanks

ok guys, thanks to those who believe me and for those who don't...quit readin this and worryin about it. I will not rest my case with echomusic until they are run outta nashville and out of artists/bands lives. I have been on vacation in florida until today. my proof as well as my best friends proof is on my old computer, so I will have to get the files from it asap. my computer was hacked into by them also. my computer tech proved that when he said there was another computer viewing my every move.

In all my attempts to call people working for and with Terri was stopped due to this. I even called TBA entertainment in nashville, "Terri's management", but when I called, Clarence spalding refused to answer me back, cause his secretary said Pinky had already called and talked to him about me...I was like what? Do you know what you're talking about? I never got help. Just to let you know,, my best friend and I never got the chance to tell Terri herself, but we went on new yrs eve to see her in concert at cypress gardens in winter haven last monday nite. We were hoping to get to run into her somewhere, but never did.
I will post the threats soon as I get on my old computer. Thanks

Jeff

I didnt see a few of the comments in the other post and thought a few things should be said.

1) you did admit posting wrong things so I give you credit there.

2) Think about it, if it was not due to your inappropriate postings and contacting teens none of this would have ever happened.

3) You try to spin things and blame alan, pinky, morgan and even me. I have never met any of them. I help moderate kellyville due to you so I do communicate with alan but have never met him or talked to him on the phone, just aim. Just blame everyone but the person at fault, you

4) I think joe's comment proves alans point correct that all you are doing is burying yourself deeper and proving yourself guilty.

5) For the ones that think it should be put to an end so easily with a lawsuit there is one problem that jeff is in canada so it is international. I have girls from places such as the united kingdom that say he freaked them out.

6) Listen to alan and watch what you say with accussing people of things with no proof.

7) Your email and my spaces that you say had invasion of privacy and were hacked very well could have been closed by the sites for your inappropriate things going through there. Perfect example is the one of kelly naked is ascii format that had to take hours to create. This also said dis me in the private area. But that is not sexual and was deleted by my space probably your entire site too.

once again I can be emailed (((ROR removed for security purposes)))if things cannot be posted here or are to time consuming. If they support jeff they are legit if they are against him they have been modified. Someone like joe can give us an opinion of how that works.

As alan said you started it and want it ended so make a final posting saying case closed and it is over, if you continue to argue you will get it right back until you have proof. By the way should 24 have some proof of their expeirience that is not proof of what happened to you.

CASE CLOSED

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Jeff

I thought we were waiting but you did not so I will not either. Lets see the evidence from the other person.

1) I knew them from group projects and learned things about internet setup from them like charts for Kelly's record sales
2) You chatted with them before me, at least the 15 year old. So NO I did not introduce you to them. It is due to your chats with her and others, before I met her, that I met her and then other complaints is how I met Alan then due to becoming part of the staff on Kellyville lots of other cool people have become friends of mine so for that (a second time) THANKS
3) You just admitted you talk sex with older people so why should we believe not younger, especially when I know of 2
4) I am NOT telling LIES and STORIES, that shall still be you
5) Back to Donald Duck, I did NOT do that or ever have anything to due with anything with your my space. I repeat did NOT. The only place you can blame me there is word travels quick and was laughed at when you said Donald Duck (a Disney character for little kids) cusses. Once word is out people find out quick so it could have been so many different people. There are tons of people that would be willing to do this being on bad terms with you.
6) You were talking to the people before me so once again I did NOT introduce you
7) If you are saying it was a group chat with Donald Duck you have no right to blame me, especially with no proof
8) I NEVER sent watermelon pictures I don't know where I would find them and don't spend time doing things like that
9) I had NO control over the girls. They chatted with you when I was not online, we had chats when all of us were online, if we had a group chat going you also had side chats going with the girls that I was not part of and have no clue what was said in them or the ones when I was not online
10) You have one thing right, 9-11 was a disaster that has had a drastic change on things here and a lot of other countries but it is not what has caused the issue between us
11) Off subject but you mentioned weapons of mass destruction, go look at the history of this issue with iraq and the reports from the UN and you will see that most every country agreed, so it was not just the USA, most every country thought more should be done but feared money issues. Maybe things have not been found, bits and pieces gradually show. Maybe nothing will ever be found in iraq as reports suggest it is possible they were moved to other countries. The difference is the USA has the balls to go by what is in writing and when iraq and saddam would not cooperate. Saddam being killed has definitely helped and a lot of positive has come from this, yes a lot of negative too and there are several places to be partially blamed but only the negative is reported. This still isn't something that should really be an effect in our issue though, especially since it started before the battle.
12) Try to see things from my point of view

13) I can see where you feel like you were screwed over by the fan club and other sites and yes it probably sucks. Now it's your turn to see it from the point of view of others like Alan and the fan club and when there are complaints about you they feel they need to stick to their responsibilities and closely watch the sites and make them as safe as possible.

14) I will gladly ask the other 2 if they are interested in replying but so many people don't really care about it, as they know what took place and want nothing to do with you. I do not fear you like others do. I have never had contact with Pinky or Morgan so it is hard for me to make contact with them, give me any possible contact info and I will try as well.

Now lets see the other evidence from this other person. As you claim how do we know that person is not you?

you can also email it to me at (((ROR REDACTED)))

I will now read the rest of the postings and reply to them as well


MERRY CHRISTMAS and HAPPY NEW YEAR

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Just a quick response to Joe. Thanks for your interest in the report first of all. Second I would agree it's "time to move on as well".

Just a point, just because the internet is "full" of predators of young girls doesn't mean I am, have been, or was one. Some men may have stalked children, but like I told everyone I would never do that, and will never, and I am 100% against it as well.

Like I said I never spoke to any young ladies unless I was assured they were over 18. If they lied then they lied but I did ask.

All in all I agree with everything you said other then the last bit where you didn't believe me about the people from the Kelly sites hacking and stalking me. Not everyone is out to get me on the internet, but there was a few from those sites that were. Also they were not "rants" just explanations.

I have learnt from it and will never post anything inappropriate on the internet. The other people that had trouble with these managers also had them twist innocent words into sexual words. I can assure you that I saw nothing sexy in my Spongebob joke, and would never have posted it if I knew the managers of the site would be offended.

Jeff


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you keep saying you want it to end Jeff, but you continue it. you started on here back in May. almsot 6 months later I made my first post on here as you continued your nonsense. it's now 3 months past that and you still whining and talking about alleged proof that doesn't exist. I see a post about another fan club where people were banned, and it happened to be run by the same company, how is that proof for your defense of what you did? you see what you want, you hear what you want, in spite of what's actually written. Every comment, every sample of what you did, every explination, has been afer one of your ants pointing fingers at the wrong people for things no one has done to you.

If you really want to end it, you would have a long time ago, instead you keep it going, continue to falsy accuse people of things, and gives us all more agaisnt you (unfortunatly for you, you don't seem to comprehend this process).

The funny part of it all is, you're asking others to end something that you began.. Something to continued for almsot 6 months before I was told I was being mentioned on here and came on here to see what it was about.

Re-read my last posting on here as well since you seem to have missed it.

Ok lets just end it here then.

I can only see things getting further out of hand after we have had someone come forward with evidence.

I know you guys don't want to see it... so lets just end it ...I don't feel like explaining the truth anymore. I have told people what happened and lets leave it at that.

End it now so we don't have to go through it in 2008.

Happy new year to everyone.

Jeff

I have read this report with interest. If I was the webmaster of the kckellyville website I would have done the same thing. The internet is full of predators of young girls who think they have some kind of anonymity because they are on the internet. As a Network Security Consultant, I can't tell you how many times I have had parents of teenage children ask me for advice because of some man stalking their child. Every post you make leaves a digital fingerprint that is somewhat easy to follow.

It is inappropriate for a grown man to speak to a young lady about anything sexualperiod. This is not to condemn anyone older for having a relationship with someone younger, but there is a huge difference in a 15 y/o young lady and a 25 y/o woman. It is inappropriate for a man to be making jokes, riddles, puns, or whatever you want to call them, which are sexual in nature, on a website that has teenagers on it. It does not matter if she initiated the conversation or if everyone else is doing it, you have age and worldly experience that she does not have. You should know better!

Initially when I read the first post of this thread, I felt he was wronged and hoped it would be corrected. Now his own posts have hanged him. To listen to the rants, everyone is out to get him following him around on the internet, breaking in email accounts, turning his internet friends against himinternet friends. And hacking his email account...lol...this is not Die Hard 4. Just cause you see it done in the movies, does not mean it can be done. Yes it is possible for a skilled person to do it, but it takes a lot of time, which I think Mr. Alan would not waste on this nonsense.

It is time to get off the computer and move on. Form some relationships with "real" people. There is a pattern to the behavior shown in the rants; one just has to read them to see it. I commend Mr. Alan for doing the proper thing and banning anyone who talks to young ladies about ANY kind of sexual talk, be it a joke heard at the water cooler, or one that was read in comic book. It does not matter that someone else may have done the same thing. YOU are responsible for YOUR actions.

I don't know the true intentions of the poster here, they may have been as innocent as he saysbut when someone tells me my words are inappropriate, I change them and don't continue to do it. Once you continue to do what has been pointed out to you to be wrong, the innocence of your initial remark is lost.

Joe

I wish ONE of you two folks would settle this already!

Shees. If ONLY 25% of what either of you claim was true, a criminal complaint with law enforcement and a civil lawsuit would be appropriate.

One of you PLEASE file a criminal complaint or a lawsuit against the other and get this crap settled.

This belongs on Oprah or Jerry Springer.

I see a grown man who really needs to stop dedicating so much of his life to fan club sites frequented by underage girls. Get over it. Every time you post, you sound more like an obsessed pervert who has no life and probably lives with his parents.

Hey "24",

I'd suggest you DO NOT send the evidence directly to Art. He is one of the people that worked on these corrupt fan clubs and I would rather you post the evidence for all to see right here.

He may want you to send it to him, and not have it posted on here because he knows there is evidence and doesn't want it to be seen.

Art and Alan saved stuff counts for nothing because it's all corrupt evidence.

"24" I know you have the real untouched evidence to provide in this case, I am sure they threatened you with lots of different things as they did me.

I believe that "24"" has true evidence, and it just took patience for me to wait until they came along with it. I never once gave up.

Posting everything on here really isn't that time consuming. E mailing it would probably take just as much time so that ploy shouldn't be used.

Jeff, you need to stop makingstatements about things you know nothing about.

Morgan was never fired, she quit to take a job on the west coast.. it's the 5th time you've been told this, sit back and let it sink in before you end up with slander and deformation of charactor added agaisnt you by her.

secondly, it doesn't matter about other fan clubs, or anyone else who was banned from any fanclub or website, this is about YOU, and what you did. You had inappropriate conversations, and inappropriate posts on all the sites you have been banned from, and they are documented and filed.

Accusing people of hacking into your emails or anything else, you BETTER have aabsolute proof of that accusation, because it's a strong one, that will strongly slap you in your own face when you are proven wrong or you can't prove it at all. It's called false accusations, and the penatlies for it are heavy.

No one has ever denied Echo runs everything like crap, it doesn't change what you did to get yourself banned, and it was explained a couple of dozen times since then, you simply refuse to accept it. The emails explaining it to you, by myself, and others, and your own replies to them, including your very own words of 'I will not email anyone or go on the site for one year' is all saved and filed. You broke your own agreement, which is also documented and saved.

This is becoming a broken record already, no matter how much you banter on about it all, the facts have not changed, everyone has to repeat themselves over and over again because you refuse to accept that you were at fault. It has nothing to do with anyone else, has nothing to do with other fan clubs or how Echo runs things. Pinky did not break his promise, YOU DID, you agreed to stay away for 1 year, and you didn't, you continued to e-mail him, me and everyone else you could, you tried to sneak on with differant ip's using your schools computer and were caught. You deny ever being banned from any other site, yet, those sites are still online, and your accounts are still abnned, and your psots that got you banned are still on those sites (jsut scroll way up and go to all the links that were provided)

Even on here you keep ranting about how it's done, then you keep it going, jsut as we said you would, just as you always do. Jus tscroll up and re-read everything, you're doing what you always do, and what we all said you would do again.

The only thing that's done is you Jeff. Even if another company takes over the fan club, do you really think you'll be let on it? They get all the saved messages and emails along with it, and you won't be a member. If you're caught sneaking on with another account again, it will be added to your ban.

You're not hurting the fan club, you're not hurting Echo, Pinky, Morgan, or myself, the onyl person you're hurting is yourself as you keep on going with this, contradicting your own words, twisting things that are hard documented around when people can see for themselves all you did.

Think really carefully about it Jeff, choose your words wisely, because I can assure you, you're only adding more to be used against yourself. Do you seriously think I'm new to any of this? that I haven't had to deal with people just like you before? I've been in this business for nearly 20 years, and i've dealt with alot worse than you. I've also seen people making accusations just like you are have to pay thousands in damages after the court judgement.

All I can do is say once more that you choose your words wisely, stop making false accusations without any hard evidence/proof, and get on with your life. You're over 30 years old and acting like a 12 year old. If you continue to push your luck so far, you won't like the end result.

Jeff, you need to stop makingstatements about things you know nothing about.

Morgan was never fired, she quit to take a job on the west coast.. it's the 5th time you've been told this, sit back and let it sink in before you end up with slander and deformation of charactor added agaisnt you by her.

secondly, it doesn't matter about other fan clubs, or anyone else who was banned from any fanclub or website, this is about YOU, and what you did. You had inappropriate conversations, and inappropriate posts on all the sites you have been banned from, and they are documented and filed.

Accusing people of hacking into your emails or anything else, you BETTER have aabsolute proof of that accusation, because it's a strong one, that will strongly slap you in your own face when you are proven wrong or you can't prove it at all. It's called false accusations, and the penatlies for it are heavy.

No one has ever denied Echo runs everything like crap, it doesn't change what you did to get yourself banned, and it was explained a couple of dozen times since then, you simply refuse to accept it. The emails explaining it to you, by myself, and others, and your own replies to them, including your very own words of 'I will not email anyone or go on the site for one year' is all saved and filed. You broke your own agreement, which is also documented and saved.

This is becoming a broken record already, no matter how much you banter on about it all, the facts have not changed, everyone has to repeat themselves over and over again because you refuse to accept that you were at fault. It has nothing to do with anyone else, has nothing to do with other fan clubs or how Echo runs things. Pinky did not break his promise, YOU DID, you agreed to stay away for 1 year, and you didn't, you continued to e-mail him, me and everyone else you could, you tried to sneak on with differant ip's using your schools computer and were caught. You deny ever being banned from any other site, yet, those sites are still online, and your accounts are still abnned, and your psots that got you banned are still on those sites (jsut scroll way up and go to all the links that were provided)

Even on here you keep ranting about how it's done, then you keep it going, jsut as we said you would, just as you always do. Jus tscroll up and re-read everything, you're doing what you always do, and what we all said you would do again.

The only thing that's done is you Jeff. Even if another company takes over the fan club, do you really think you'll be let on it? They get all the saved messages and emails along with it, and you won't be a member. If you're caught sneaking on with another account again, it will be added to your ban.

You're not hurting the fan club, you're not hurting Echo, Pinky, Morgan, or myself, the onyl person you're hurting is yourself as you keep on going with this, contradicting your own words, twisting things that are hard documented around when people can see for themselves all you did.

Think really carefully about it Jeff, choose your words wisely, because I can assure you, you're only adding more to be used against yourself. Do you seriously think I'm new to any of this? that I haven't had to deal with people just like you before? I've been in this business for nearly 20 years, and i've dealt with alot worse than you. I've also seen people making accusations just like you are have to pay thousands in damages after the court judgement.

All I can do is say once more that you choose your words wisely, stop making false accusations without any hard evidence/proof, and get on with your life. You're over 30 years old and acting like a 12 year old. If you continue to push your luck so far, you won't like the end result.

Jeff, you need to stop makingstatements about things you know nothing about.

Morgan was never fired, she quit to take a job on the west coast.. it's the 5th time you've been told this, sit back and let it sink in before you end up with slander and deformation of charactor added agaisnt you by her.

secondly, it doesn't matter about other fan clubs, or anyone else who was banned from any fanclub or website, this is about YOU, and what you did. You had inappropriate conversations, and inappropriate posts on all the sites you have been banned from, and they are documented and filed.

Accusing people of hacking into your emails or anything else, you BETTER have aabsolute proof of that accusation, because it's a strong one, that will strongly slap you in your own face when you are proven wrong or you can't prove it at all. It's called false accusations, and the penatlies for it are heavy.

No one has ever denied Echo runs everything like crap, it doesn't change what you did to get yourself banned, and it was explained a couple of dozen times since then, you simply refuse to accept it. The emails explaining it to you, by myself, and others, and your own replies to them, including your very own words of 'I will not email anyone or go on the site for one year' is all saved and filed. You broke your own agreement, which is also documented and saved.

This is becoming a broken record already, no matter how much you banter on about it all, the facts have not changed, everyone has to repeat themselves over and over again because you refuse to accept that you were at fault. It has nothing to do with anyone else, has nothing to do with other fan clubs or how Echo runs things. Pinky did not break his promise, YOU DID, you agreed to stay away for 1 year, and you didn't, you continued to e-mail him, me and everyone else you could, you tried to sneak on with differant ip's using your schools computer and were caught. You deny ever being banned from any other site, yet, those sites are still online, and your accounts are still abnned, and your psots that got you banned are still on those sites (jsut scroll way up and go to all the links that were provided)

Even on here you keep ranting about how it's done, then you keep it going, jsut as we said you would, just as you always do. Jus tscroll up and re-read everything, you're doing what you always do, and what we all said you would do again.

The only thing that's done is you Jeff. Even if another company takes over the fan club, do you really think you'll be let on it? They get all the saved messages and emails along with it, and you won't be a member. If you're caught sneaking on with another account again, it will be added to your ban.

You're not hurting the fan club, you're not hurting Echo, Pinky, Morgan, or myself, the onyl person you're hurting is yourself as you keep on going with this, contradicting your own words, twisting things that are hard documented around when people can see for themselves all you did.

Think really carefully about it Jeff, choose your words wisely, because I can assure you, you're only adding more to be used against yourself. Do you seriously think I'm new to any of this? that I haven't had to deal with people just like you before? I've been in this business for nearly 20 years, and i've dealt with alot worse than you. I've also seen people making accusations just like you are have to pay thousands in damages after the court judgement.

All I can do is say once more that you choose your words wisely, stop making false accusations without any hard evidence/proof, and get on with your life. You're over 30 years old and acting like a 12 year old. If you continue to push your luck so far, you won't like the end result.

Jeff, you need to stop makingstatements about things you know nothing about.

Morgan was never fired, she quit to take a job on the west coast.. it's the 5th time you've been told this, sit back and let it sink in before you end up with slander and deformation of charactor added agaisnt you by her.

secondly, it doesn't matter about other fan clubs, or anyone else who was banned from any fanclub or website, this is about YOU, and what you did. You had inappropriate conversations, and inappropriate posts on all the sites you have been banned from, and they are documented and filed.

Accusing people of hacking into your emails or anything else, you BETTER have aabsolute proof of that accusation, because it's a strong one, that will strongly slap you in your own face when you are proven wrong or you can't prove it at all. It's called false accusations, and the penatlies for it are heavy.

No one has ever denied Echo runs everything like crap, it doesn't change what you did to get yourself banned, and it was explained a couple of dozen times since then, you simply refuse to accept it. The emails explaining it to you, by myself, and others, and your own replies to them, including your very own words of 'I will not email anyone or go on the site for one year' is all saved and filed. You broke your own agreement, which is also documented and saved.

This is becoming a broken record already, no matter how much you banter on about it all, the facts have not changed, everyone has to repeat themselves over and over again because you refuse to accept that you were at fault. It has nothing to do with anyone else, has nothing to do with other fan clubs or how Echo runs things. Pinky did not break his promise, YOU DID, you agreed to stay away for 1 year, and you didn't, you continued to e-mail him, me and everyone else you could, you tried to sneak on with differant ip's using your schools computer and were caught. You deny ever being banned from any other site, yet, those sites are still online, and your accounts are still abnned, and your psots that got you banned are still on those sites (jsut scroll way up and go to all the links that were provided)

Even on here you keep ranting about how it's done, then you keep it going, jsut as we said you would, just as you always do. Jus tscroll up and re-read everything, you're doing what you always do, and what we all said you would do again.

The only thing that's done is you Jeff. Even if another company takes over the fan club, do you really think you'll be let on it? They get all the saved messages and emails along with it, and you won't be a member. If you're caught sneaking on with another account again, it will be added to your ban.

You're not hurting the fan club, you're not hurting Echo, Pinky, Morgan, or myself, the onyl person you're hurting is yourself as you keep on going with this, contradicting your own words, twisting things that are hard documented around when people can see for themselves all you did.

Think really carefully about it Jeff, choose your words wisely, because I can assure you, you're only adding more to be used against yourself. Do you seriously think I'm new to any of this? that I haven't had to deal with people just like you before? I've been in this business for nearly 20 years, and i've dealt with alot worse than you. I've also seen people making accusations just like you are have to pay thousands in damages after the court judgement.

All I can do is say once more that you choose your words wisely, stop making false accusations without any hard evidence/proof, and get on with your life. You're over 30 years old and acting like a 12 year old. If you continue to push your luck so far, you won't like the end result.

Everytime I get a update from Rip Off Report in my e mail in box I just assume it will be Alan or Art telling more tales and more lies. I just assumed this time would be the same.

It's awesome to see a consumer of these corrupt fan clubs ( all run by the same people) come out and speak out despite being harassed by these people. I no longer feel so alone in my battle.

You have given us invaluable information 24, that the victims can use to hopefully find true justice in this case.

I too, was banned around the same time you were, and I too had to deal with this Pinky Gonzales. I got the same threatening e mails from Pinky and his crew , but they were smart enough to hack my hotmail account to get rid of the evidence. I was the hardest hit ( probably ) by the crimes and I think they wanted to get rid of the evidence.

Like you "24" I also was one of the first to join Kelly Clarkson's fan club. It's such a shame when these people hurt the fans that were there from day one. back when hardly anyone knew about these people, we were there supporting them, and then this has to happen.

Ya the group we were dealing with did conn there way into getting these jobs. I suppose they said they could do the job, when they knew nothing about managing fan sites. I guess they wanted to get in there to hurt people and send out threatening e mails, to push there wait around and get closer to the young girls. I don't know the EXACT reason they forced there way in but it all seems to be devious. especially with this new information.

Ya things went to hell on the Kelly Clarkson Fan Club as well unfortunatly. I was very professional on there and when they banned me. I asked why, and they said for no reason, then I was like ok if it's for no reason then why did you do it in the first place. Pinky goes I did nothing wrong at all, then he said you are banned. Then he followed that up with the statement that I could come on in a year, and I waited the year and he was fired and a new person was on there called Morgan Plex. turns out she was just as bad and was fired as well.

Ya I agree that management was the HITLER of management. If you didn't agree with them they would just ban you without thinking. They really pushed the fans around and pushed there weight around too.

Yes same thing happened at the Kelly fan club.. if anyone asked anything they would just delete it. they also e mailed them and threatened them with letters to the like of " IF you post one more question on the fan club you will be permanently banned"

My freind who is on there now had that happen and she is the sweetest person, she just wanted someone to answer her question but they wouldn't.

That's good that you have proof of that "24". Like I said I didn't have a chance to get my proof, because they were quick to hack my computer and my websites and almost everything I had. They didn't want the truth to be known so it's good you have it.

They also didn't allow any Kelly fans to ask help questions without threatening them with bannings. They expected to have a fan club without letting the fans know anything about the artists, they were there to be fans of.

Why did Pinky think he had the rights to ban fan club members for wanting a better fan club? I was trying to make the fan club a good place to be, a bit more fun, a bit more special!! And he did the same thing to me. And when I tried to get answers he was no where to be found!

Ya man, I know you were a good fan of Terri, and the banning was unfair, unjust and was pure nonsense.They should take into account how much money you have spent on this artist. I too spent lots and they banned me. They expected me to say nothing and I was one of the only ones they did this too who spoke out because they threatened the fans in different was to not speak out.. they are still threatening me, but it's time that the fans win, it's time that the people that matter matter back to the artists.

I agree that this is no way for a fan club to run. I hope that Kelly and Terrie themselves are told of what happened to us and something is done about it.

See it's the fans that actually care about the other fans that step up and try to fight it. we are not doing it for ourselves alone, we are doing it for all of the people before us that had it happen to them. We want to seek justice!

Ya when I went missing from these sites ( both related because Alan worked for both and just had things thing against me for no reason) the people wondered where I was, and what happened to me. they also got those letter teling them not to mention my name or they too would be banned. what kind of a fan club are you on where you are not allowed to care for someone that had gone missing?

They are absolutely the worst at fan club management and I also have no idea how they conned big artist into allowing them to run there sites. probably it was by force. They are very forceful people.

Yes, I would like something to be done about this too. I hope someone listens to me and hears my cry for help. I have been working on this for 5 years or so.

Echomusic hopefully will go under when fans find out what they have done to us and many other fans.

I think Kelly Clarkson should fire echomusic as well it has been tarnishing her good name for years.

I would love it if you could post as much proof as you have on here, just so we know that everything I have said is in fact true, and that these guys do have the potential to do this.

They come on here claiming it's not true, but if we see that they have this potential they certainly lose that credibility and fans will see that this is true. alan and pinky brainwashed many fans into thinking I was the bad one with silly stories and fake documents and hackings ect just to try to get out of what they did to the fans. so the most evidence that you can post the better.

Thanks "24" I apprecate you coming forward especially with these guys who are very ruthless and scare most people into not speaking out about them.

Jeff

Everytime I get a update from Rip Off Report in my e mail in box I just assume it will be Alan or Art telling more tales and more lies. I just assumed this time would be the same.

It's awesome to see a consumer of these corrupt fan clubs ( all run by the same people) come out and speak out despite being harassed by these people. I no longer feel so alone in my battle.

You have given us invaluable information 24, that the victims can use to hopefully find true justice in this case.

I too, was banned around the same time you were, and I too had to deal with this Pinky Gonzales. I got the same threatening e mails from Pinky and his crew , but they were smart enough to hack my hotmail account to get rid of the evidence. I was the hardest hit ( probably ) by the crimes and I think they wanted to get rid of the evidence.

Like you "24" I also was one of the first to join Kelly Clarkson's fan club. It's such a shame when these people hurt the fans that were there from day one. back when hardly anyone knew about these people, we were there supporting them, and then this has to happen.

Ya the group we were dealing with did conn there way into getting these jobs. I suppose they said they could do the job, when they knew nothing about managing fan sites. I guess they wanted to get in there to hurt people and send out threatening e mails, to push there wait around and get closer to the young girls. I don't know the EXACT reason they forced there way in but it all seems to be devious. especially with this new information.

Ya things went to hell on the Kelly Clarkson Fan Club as well unfortunatly. I was very professional on there and when they banned me. I asked why, and they said for no reason, then I was like ok if it's for no reason then why did you do it in the first place. Pinky goes I did nothing wrong at all, then he said you are banned. Then he followed that up with the statement that I could come on in a year, and I waited the year and he was fired and a new person was on there called Morgan Plex. turns out she was just as bad and was fired as well.

Ya I agree that management was the HITLER of management. If you didn't agree with them they would just ban you without thinking. They really pushed the fans around and pushed there weight around too.

Yes same thing happened at the Kelly fan club.. if anyone asked anything they would just delete it. they also e mailed them and threatened them with letters to the like of " IF you post one more question on the fan club you will be permanently banned"

My freind who is on there now had that happen and she is the sweetest person, she just wanted someone to answer her question but they wouldn't.

That's good that you have proof of that "24". Like I said I didn't have a chance to get my proof, because they were quick to hack my computer and my websites and almost everything I had. They didn't want the truth to be known so it's good you have it.

They also didn't allow any Kelly fans to ask help questions without threatening them with bannings. They expected to have a fan club without letting the fans know anything about the artists, they were there to be fans of.

Why did Pinky think he had the rights to ban fan club members for wanting a better fan club? I was trying to make the fan club a good place to be, a bit more fun, a bit more special!! And he did the same thing to me. And when I tried to get answers he was no where to be found!

Ya man, I know you were a good fan of Terri, and the banning was unfair, unjust and was pure nonsense.They should take into account how much money you have spent on this artist. I too spent lots and they banned me. They expected me to say nothing and I was one of the only ones they did this too who spoke out because they threatened the fans in different was to not speak out.. they are still threatening me, but it's time that the fans win, it's time that the people that matter matter back to the artists.

I agree that this is no way for a fan club to run. I hope that Kelly and Terrie themselves are told of what happened to us and something is done about it.

See it's the fans that actually care about the other fans that step up and try to fight it. we are not doing it for ourselves alone, we are doing it for all of the people before us that had it happen to them. We want to seek justice!

Ya when I went missing from these sites ( both related because Alan worked for both and just had things thing against me for no reason) the people wondered where I was, and what happened to me. they also got those letter teling them not to mention my name or they too would be banned. what kind of a fan club are you on where you are not allowed to care for someone that had gone missing?

They are absolutely the worst at fan club management and I also have no idea how they conned big artist into allowing them to run there sites. probably it was by force. They are very forceful people.

Yes, I would like something to be done about this too. I hope someone listens to me and hears my cry for help. I have been working on this for 5 years or so.

Echomusic hopefully will go under when fans find out what they have done to us and many other fans.

I think Kelly Clarkson should fire echomusic as well it has been tarnishing her good name for years.

I would love it if you could post as much proof as you have on here, just so we know that everything I have said is in fact true, and that these guys do have the potential to do this.

They come on here claiming it's not true, but if we see that they have this potential they certainly lose that credibility and fans will see that this is true. alan and pinky brainwashed many fans into thinking I was the bad one with silly stories and fake documents and hackings ect just to try to get out of what they did to the fans. so the most evidence that you can post the better.

Thanks "24" I apprecate you coming forward especially with these guys who are very ruthless and scare most people into not speaking out about them.

Jeff

Everytime I get a update from Rip Off Report in my e mail in box I just assume it will be Alan or Art telling more tales and more lies. I just assumed this time would be the same.

It's awesome to see a consumer of these corrupt fan clubs ( all run by the same people) come out and speak out despite being harassed by these people. I no longer feel so alone in my battle.

You have given us invaluable information 24, that the victims can use to hopefully find true justice in this case.

I too, was banned around the same time you were, and I too had to deal with this Pinky Gonzales. I got the same threatening e mails from Pinky and his crew , but they were smart enough to hack my hotmail account to get rid of the evidence. I was the hardest hit ( probably ) by the crimes and I think they wanted to get rid of the evidence.

Like you "24" I also was one of the first to join Kelly Clarkson's fan club. It's such a shame when these people hurt the fans that were there from day one. back when hardly anyone knew about these people, we were there supporting them, and then this has to happen.

Ya the group we were dealing with did conn there way into getting these jobs. I suppose they said they could do the job, when they knew nothing about managing fan sites. I guess they wanted to get in there to hurt people and send out threatening e mails, to push there wait around and get closer to the young girls. I don't know the EXACT reason they forced there way in but it all seems to be devious. especially with this new information.

Ya things went to hell on the Kelly Clarkson Fan Club as well unfortunatly. I was very professional on there and when they banned me. I asked why, and they said for no reason, then I was like ok if it's for no reason then why did you do it in the first place. Pinky goes I did nothing wrong at all, then he said you are banned. Then he followed that up with the statement that I could come on in a year, and I waited the year and he was fired and a new person was on there called Morgan Plex. turns out she was just as bad and was fired as well.

Ya I agree that management was the HITLER of management. If you didn't agree with them they would just ban you without thinking. They really pushed the fans around and pushed there weight around too.

Yes same thing happened at the Kelly fan club.. if anyone asked anything they would just delete it. they also e mailed them and threatened them with letters to the like of " IF you post one more question on the fan club you will be permanently banned"

My freind who is on there now had that happen and she is the sweetest person, she just wanted someone to answer her question but they wouldn't.

That's good that you have proof of that "24". Like I said I didn't have a chance to get my proof, because they were quick to hack my computer and my websites and almost everything I had. They didn't want the truth to be known so it's good you have it.

They also didn't allow any Kelly fans to ask help questions without threatening them with bannings. They expected to have a fan club without letting the fans know anything about the artists, they were there to be fans of.

Why did Pinky think he had the rights to ban fan club members for wanting a better fan club? I was trying to make the fan club a good place to be, a bit more fun, a bit more special!! And he did the same thing to me. And when I tried to get answers he was no where to be found!

Ya man, I know you were a good fan of Terri, and the banning was unfair, unjust and was pure nonsense.They should take into account how much money you have spent on this artist. I too spent lots and they banned me. They expected me to say nothing and I was one of the only ones they did this too who spoke out because they threatened the fans in different was to not speak out.. they are still threatening me, but it's time that the fans win, it's time that the people that matter matter back to the artists.

I agree that this is no way for a fan club to run. I hope that Kelly and Terrie themselves are told of what happened to us and something is done about it.

See it's the fans that actually care about the other fans that step up and try to fight it. we are not doing it for ourselves alone, we are doing it for all of the people before us that had it happen to them. We want to seek justice!

Ya when I went missing from these sites ( both related because Alan worked for both and just had things thing against me for no reason) the people wondered where I was, and what happened to me. they also got those letter teling them not to mention my name or they too would be banned. what kind of a fan club are you on where you are not allowed to care for someone that had gone missing?

They are absolutely the worst at fan club management and I also have no idea how they conned big artist into allowing them to run there sites. probably it was by force. They are very forceful people.

Yes, I would like something to be done about this too. I hope someone listens to me and hears my cry for help. I have been working on this for 5 years or so.

Echomusic hopefully will go under when fans find out what they have done to us and many other fans.

I think Kelly Clarkson should fire echomusic as well it has been tarnishing her good name for years.

I would love it if you could post as much proof as you have on here, just so we know that everything I have said is in fact true, and that these guys do have the potential to do this.

They come on here claiming it's not true, but if we see that they have this potential they certainly lose that credibility and fans will see that this is true. alan and pinky brainwashed many fans into thinking I was the bad one with silly stories and fake documents and hackings ect just to try to get out of what they did to the fans. so the most evidence that you can post the better.

Thanks "24" I apprecate you coming forward especially with these guys who are very ruthless and scare most people into not speaking out about them.

Jeff

Everytime I get a update from Rip Off Report in my e mail in box I just assume it will be Alan or Art telling more tales and more lies. I just assumed this time would be the same.

It's awesome to see a consumer of these corrupt fan clubs ( all run by the same people) come out and speak out despite being harassed by these people. I no longer feel so alone in my battle.

You have given us invaluable information 24, that the victims can use to hopefully find true justice in this case.

I too, was banned around the same time you were, and I too had to deal with this Pinky Gonzales. I got the same threatening e mails from Pinky and his crew , but they were smart enough to hack my hotmail account to get rid of the evidence. I was the hardest hit ( probably ) by the crimes and I think they wanted to get rid of the evidence.

Like you "24" I also was one of the first to join Kelly Clarkson's fan club. It's such a shame when these people hurt the fans that were there from day one. back when hardly anyone knew about these people, we were there supporting them, and then this has to happen.

Ya the group we were dealing with did conn there way into getting these jobs. I suppose they said they could do the job, when they knew nothing about managing fan sites. I guess they wanted to get in there to hurt people and send out threatening e mails, to push there wait around and get closer to the young girls. I don't know the EXACT reason they forced there way in but it all seems to be devious. especially with this new information.

Ya things went to hell on the Kelly Clarkson Fan Club as well unfortunatly. I was very professional on there and when they banned me. I asked why, and they said for no reason, then I was like ok if it's for no reason then why did you do it in the first place. Pinky goes I did nothing wrong at all, then he said you are banned. Then he followed that up with the statement that I could come on in a year, and I waited the year and he was fired and a new person was on there called Morgan Plex. turns out she was just as bad and was fired as well.

Ya I agree that management was the HITLER of management. If you didn't agree with them they would just ban you without thinking. They really pushed the fans around and pushed there weight around too.

Yes same thing happened at the Kelly fan club.. if anyone asked anything they would just delete it. they also e mailed them and threatened them with letters to the like of " IF you post one more question on the fan club you will be permanently banned"

My freind who is on there now had that happen and she is the sweetest person, she just wanted someone to answer her question but they wouldn't.

That's good that you have proof of that "24". Like I said I didn't have a chance to get my proof, because they were quick to hack my computer and my websites and almost everything I had. They didn't want the truth to be known so it's good you have it.

They also didn't allow any Kelly fans to ask help questions without threatening them with bannings. They expected to have a fan club without letting the fans know anything about the artists, they were there to be fans of.

Why did Pinky think he had the rights to ban fan club members for wanting a better fan club? I was trying to make the fan club a good place to be, a bit more fun, a bit more special!! And he did the same thing to me. And when I tried to get answers he was no where to be found!

Ya man, I know you were a good fan of Terri, and the banning was unfair, unjust and was pure nonsense.They should take into account how much money you have spent on this artist. I too spent lots and they banned me. They expected me to say nothing and I was one of the only ones they did this too who spoke out because they threatened the fans in different was to not speak out.. they are still threatening me, but it's time that the fans win, it's time that the people that matter matter back to the artists.

I agree that this is no way for a fan club to run. I hope that Kelly and Terrie themselves are told of what happened to us and something is done about it.

See it's the fans that actually care about the other fans that step up and try to fight it. we are not doing it for ourselves alone, we are doing it for all of the people before us that had it happen to them. We want to seek justice!

Ya when I went missing from these sites ( both related because Alan worked for both and just had things thing against me for no reason) the people wondered where I was, and what happened to me. they also got those letter teling them not to mention my name or they too would be banned. what kind of a fan club are you on where you are not allowed to care for someone that had gone missing?

They are absolutely the worst at fan club management and I also have no idea how they conned big artist into allowing them to run there sites. probably it was by force. They are very forceful people.

Yes, I would like something to be done about this too. I hope someone listens to me and hears my cry for help. I have been working on this for 5 years or so.

Echomusic hopefully will go under when fans find out what they have done to us and many other fans.

I think Kelly Clarkson should fire echomusic as well it has been tarnishing her good name for years.

I would love it if you could post as much proof as you have on here, just so we know that everything I have said is in fact true, and that these guys do have the potential to do this.

They come on here claiming it's not true, but if we see that they have this potential they certainly lose that credibility and fans will see that this is true. alan and pinky brainwashed many fans into thinking I was the bad one with silly stories and fake documents and hackings ect just to try to get out of what they did to the fans. so the most evidence that you can post the better.

Thanks "24" I apprecate you coming forward especially with these guys who are very ruthless and scare most people into not speaking out about them.

Jeff

I would love to see some of the documents you have. Just know if you go by jeff's (who started this) standard a print screen does not count as he claims you can and will modify it to prove your point and make it look like you are right but might change things. I am open though (unlike him) and do my best to believe until I can prove wrong, which he has never done.

Please show us some things, if you prefer I will give you an email address instead and you can just send them to me and not have to post everything here, it can be time consuming.

HAPPY HOLIDAYS

This is in response to the ones talking about Pinky Gonzales who works for echomusic which was formally known as artist media group. I saw my name mentioned in one of the posts in the replies. I know of about 5 people who were banned from the Terri Clark online fan club back in 2004, cause me and my best friend were 2 of them. I too have proof of this and also threatening emails from pinky and his crew. I had joined Terri's fanclub way back in 1995 when nobody knew who she was. In fact, I was the #24 member also in her fan club. Things were always great until the artist media group decided to conn her into letting them run her website and also include her fanclub into it. That sucked for all Terri fans as her fanclub was run by someone else, not the lady who ran the website.

That was in august 2004. Since then, things have went to hell! After only 3 months into their running Terri's site,, they started threatening and banning fans who would'nt agree with everything they said. They would delete posts if people asked questions. I also have proof of that. They did'nt allow you to ask help questions. Alot of fans were afraid to ask questions from that point on. They even backed off from posting all together. That's not how a fanclub suppose to be run. They even read private messages the fans were sending to each other. My best friend decided to step up and make a post about they way they were treating her fans. 30 something fans replied to that post. well it was deleted of course, and only her and I received a nasty email from Pinky telling us we had been permantly banned from the fan club... All i did was say that I agreed with what my best friend said...that's it! Let me remind you that I had been a member of Terri's fanclub at that time for 9 years. I was devastated that I was treated that way. Then shortly after that happened,, some friends of ours who did'nt know what had happened made a post asking where one of us had been and they had'nt seen us on in a while. They were sent an email telling them not to mention our names on that site or they too would be banned.

Then a few weeks later, they did ban other friends of ours. I don't know how they get all the top artists to let them run their sites, but something needs to be done. About a year after Pinky and his wife yvonne banned about 15 Terri fans,, they disappeared from her site. Now Taylor runs it. Pinky is now running a photofraphy place in nashville, so it's not hard at all to find him. Better yet, go to 17th ave. in nash. I know of 3 artists whom have fired eachomusic in the last year 1/2. How I wish more would fire them.
They treat fans like sh**. If anyone would like me to post some proof of things, I will.

This is in response to the ones talking about Pinky Gonzales who works for echomusic which was formally known as artist media group. I saw my name mentioned in one of the posts in the replies. I know of about 5 people who were banned from the Terri Clark online fan club back in 2004, cause me and my best friend were 2 of them. I too have proof of this and also threatening emails from pinky and his crew. I had joined Terri's fanclub way back in 1995 when nobody knew who she was. In fact, I was the #24 member also in her fan club. Things were always great until the artist media group decided to conn her into letting them run her website and also include her fanclub into it. That sucked for all Terri fans as her fanclub was run by someone else, not the lady who ran the website.

That was in august 2004. Since then, things have went to hell! After only 3 months into their running Terri's site,, they started threatening and banning fans who would'nt agree with everything they said. They would delete posts if people asked questions. I also have proof of that. They did'nt allow you to ask help questions. Alot of fans were afraid to ask questions from that point on. They even backed off from posting all together. That's not how a fanclub suppose to be run. They even read private messages the fans were sending to each other. My best friend decided to step up and make a post about they way they were treating her fans. 30 something fans replied to that post. well it was deleted of course, and only her and I received a nasty email from Pinky telling us we had been permantly banned from the fan club... All i did was say that I agreed with what my best friend said...that's it! Let me remind you that I had been a member of Terri's fanclub at that time for 9 years. I was devastated that I was treated that way. Then shortly after that happened,, some friends of ours who did'nt know what had happened made a post asking where one of us had been and they had'nt seen us on in a while. They were sent an email telling them not to mention our names on that site or they too would be banned.

Then a few weeks later, they did ban other friends of ours. I don't know how they get all the top artists to let them run their sites, but something needs to be done. About a year after Pinky and his wife yvonne banned about 15 Terri fans,, they disappeared from her site. Now Taylor runs it. Pinky is now running a photofraphy place in nashville, so it's not hard at all to find him. Better yet, go to 17th ave. in nash. I know of 3 artists whom have fired eachomusic in the last year 1/2. How I wish more would fire them.
They treat fans like sh**. If anyone would like me to post some proof of things, I will.

This is in response to the ones talking about Pinky Gonzales who works for echomusic which was formally known as artist media group. I saw my name mentioned in one of the posts in the replies. I know of about 5 people who were banned from the Terri Clark online fan club back in 2004, cause me and my best friend were 2 of them. I too have proof of this and also threatening emails from pinky and his crew. I had joined Terri's fanclub way back in 1995 when nobody knew who she was. In fact, I was the #24 member also in her fan club. Things were always great until the artist media group decided to conn her into letting them run her website and also include her fanclub into it. That sucked for all Terri fans as her fanclub was run by someone else, not the lady who ran the website.

That was in august 2004. Since then, things have went to hell! After only 3 months into their running Terri's site,, they started threatening and banning fans who would'nt agree with everything they said. They would delete posts if people asked questions. I also have proof of that. They did'nt allow you to ask help questions. Alot of fans were afraid to ask questions from that point on. They even backed off from posting all together. That's not how a fanclub suppose to be run. They even read private messages the fans were sending to each other. My best friend decided to step up and make a post about they way they were treating her fans. 30 something fans replied to that post. well it was deleted of course, and only her and I received a nasty email from Pinky telling us we had been permantly banned from the fan club... All i did was say that I agreed with what my best friend said...that's it! Let me remind you that I had been a member of Terri's fanclub at that time for 9 years. I was devastated that I was treated that way. Then shortly after that happened,, some friends of ours who did'nt know what had happened made a post asking where one of us had been and they had'nt seen us on in a while. They were sent an email telling them not to mention our names on that site or they too would be banned.

Then a few weeks later, they did ban other friends of ours. I don't know how they get all the top artists to let them run their sites, but something needs to be done. About a year after Pinky and his wife yvonne banned about 15 Terri fans,, they disappeared from her site. Now Taylor runs it. Pinky is now running a photofraphy place in nashville, so it's not hard at all to find him. Better yet, go to 17th ave. in nash. I know of 3 artists whom have fired eachomusic in the last year 1/2. How I wish more would fire them.
They treat fans like sh**. If anyone would like me to post some proof of things, I will.

well I will wait and am going to answer your questions and after that posting we can agree to disagree but you asked so many questions and had comments about me that they cannot be left open. So I will hold off and keep the holidays happy.

well I will wait and am going to answer your questions and after that posting we can agree to disagree but you asked so many questions and had comments about me that they cannot be left open. So I will hold off and keep the holidays happy.

well I will wait and am going to answer your questions and after that posting we can agree to disagree but you asked so many questions and had comments about me that they cannot be left open. So I will hold off and keep the holidays happy.

well I will wait and am going to answer your questions and after that posting we can agree to disagree but you asked so many questions and had comments about me that they cannot be left open. So I will hold off and keep the holidays happy.

Merry Christmas Alan and Art, even with all these Lies, Slander and whacked out stuff from Jeff, I want you two to have a very Merry Christmas.

Don't worry Jeff will be behind bars soon for his actions.

Ya lets wait, I don't want to think about this at the moment , it's rather irritating and not the least bit Christmas-like.

At the same time I don't want it to go on into the new year.

We should all start it off fresh without this.

Maybe we should just agree to disagree??

Plain and simple, my holiday gift to you.

Jeff

I will give you the option of waiting until the holidays end to file my response or post and let me know if u want it before and maybe u will see things from the side of others like you want me to see it from yours.

Due to some way off comments I MUST post again but u tell me if I should do it now or the first of the year.

I would have posted sooner but was out of town 2 weeks and did not have access to the internet which is like death.

Let me know and if waiting is your choice honestly have a MERRY CHRISTMAS

First of all if you are actually a grown man, why are you using teen abbreviations such as "U" asked... come on this is serious to me, I don't want you acting like a teen if you are actually a man but all signs point suggest that you and Alan and teens trying to make me feel bad.

Well I guess we both feel someone is lying here. I know for a fact it is you. Or you are trying to make things sound like you didn't do them.

No one HAS to reply. You CHOOSE to reply or not reply.

Art did you or did you not introduce me to those girls that tried to get me in trouble? You could admit to that, at the least, because before you and your 3-way chats, I did NOT know them, and did not want anything to do with them.

I didn't know them at all until you manipulated me into talking to you and then manipulated me into talking to them.

Well, I don't know where you found them, but you guys were very close, like best friends, and you thought what you were doing to me at the time was funny, well I didn't think it was then, and I don't now.

Answer this one. Why did you introduce me to 15 year old (if they were really that age) and why did you want them to talk sexually to me if they were actually 15) 15 year olds SHOULD NOT BE TALKING SEXUALLY. I know they do a lot of times but I don't want to be talking sexually with them.

Listen to what I am saying

I DO NOT AND WILL NOT TALK SEXUALLY WITH GIRLS EVER UNLESS THEY ARE OVER THE AGE OF 18.

END YOUR LIES AND STORIES.

I am so sick of talking to you about this.

I didn't initiate talk like that I would never do that unless I was manipulated into it which you did, which is clearly not fair.

1) I do remember this Donald talk with you and suddenly hackers are hacking me with Donald Duck backgrounds on My Space. No coincidence. I know you left your mark that way to show me what you did. Criminals do this to let the victims know it was them and it's a way to taunt them and to tease them without leaving actual proof behind. Its a figurative finger print forms you without actually leaving those marks.

Well why the heck where you allowing these people (if you knew they were under the age of 18 to sexually talk to me... I don't want any part of that)

2) I remember it, and I believe that talk was in a group chat as well. Why where you group chatting with underage girls. Can you please answer this question?

3) Yes you did know about the watermelon conversation and you did send me pictures (sexual ones) of people having sex with watermelons which I did not like and you kept asking if I bought a water melon to have sex with. I did not find that talk funny at all.

Ok what control DID you have over the girls? If you are older why did you get them to talk to me? Were they girls or acting as girls?

Yes I did get manipulated easy by you because I told you I needed friends and you found it easy to make me talk with you a lot.

You say I have it wrong with what control you had over the girls so you are admitting you did have some control over them.

I am very open and honest and people confuse that for other things. I am friendly yes, but not when someone is clearly deranged. I would say to use better judgment and not agree with people who know nothing about this.

Well how can we end this? You tell me because I am serious about ending it.... and as soon as possible. We both do not want to have each other calling each other down, but we are... this is because we both think the other person has it WRONG. I am not going to say what you did was RIGHT to end this, and I don't think you are going to openly admit some of the stuff that went down to end this.

Well you would be surprised how much time some people have. I am sure a lot of editing was and is possible. People fake documents all the time nothing new.

Why would anyone want to get involved in this mess?

Again you are trying to entice more people to get involved to bother me. How about you me, alan, pinky, and morgan sort it out. Why do you constantly want to involve more and more people, when it is not their business? There are only 4 people that this has to do with. Possibly those two manipulative girls... but that is all. Why bother others with nonsense. We don't need more fake documents. What we need is love and care for each other and we need to put each other in each others shoes for a bit.

That is the only way to make sure that we end this.

Christmas is not a time for this nonsense.

Lets just agree to disagree with a lot of it.

Life is too short to have anything like this happen to anyone.

Remember its Christmas...

Lets share love in our hearts and let the spirit of Christmas transform the whole situation into something wonderful and beautiful.

That is my prayer for this whole thing, is that it becomes and wonderful and good experience for us all.

Only God knows why it happened so it is up to us to ask him for answers and especially at Christmas we want to all be loved by others and God and the world.

People think I am weird because I want to see the world get along better in peace and harmony... so maybe I am the last person that truly believes in love... but I am hoping that we all can change and learn to believe in miracles and love.

I know the whole U.S. has been through a lot since 9-11 and I am sorry about that and it's very sad and I do care about what happened very much but that can't be a reason to blame other countries for what some terrible people have done. There were no weapons of mass destruction to be found, but that caused so many innocent people to die.

The mentality seems to be jaded there and I think a lot of innocence may have been lost because of 9-11. I think people, who believed in love, may have stopped and may have been overcome with hate. Hate is never the answer.

If you could see this from my point of view and listen to what I went through and how I was tricked and manipulated and banned and harassed and hurt. If you are only thinking of yourself, then you will not be able to understand what I went through.

I am a human like you or anyone. Just because you can't seem me, doesn't mean I am not real, and have real feelings.

I hope this makes sense and do hope this is over with, or is very quickly ended.

This is the LEAST Christmassy thing I could be doing, so lets just end it and start to make the world a better place. Share love and joy.

Comfort and joy.

Jeff

You ask 30 questions then tell me not to reply. If u ask questions I will answer them and as you said you do not want lies out there about you, well I feel you are lying about me and I dont want that so I have to reply

First: I did not have anything to do with them talking to you or what they talked to you about. If u remember things I even stated above u had plenty of side chats with them while we had a conference chat taking place too.

I was not a teacher or employer of them and gave them no instructions on how to talk to you or what to talk to you about

We NEVER claimed they were 18, we frequently mentioned one of them was 15 yes 15 not even old enough to drive so you have the memory problem with the memory there.

both them and you talked sexual. I never said the girls didnt but that all carried on from previous chats and you YES YOU initiated the very first round and things just continued from day to day.

I am sure they called you sexy but you always told them how hot they were too

1) Donald Duck - I do not recall the if the girls were part of the chat or not but I do remember us discussing donald and his terrible language and 4 letter words

2) cucumbers I do NOT recall, but what you and the girls talked about I have no clue if it was not a group chat

3) Watermelons I know of the conversation u had with others but never me directly

so, no you did NOT change what was talked about at times but u changed who did what to initiate everything and who you chatted with about what things. You had so many chats and side chats going that u cant remember who you told what and who asked u what. Keep it straight who the conversations were with. You also have it wrong of what I had control of with the girls.

now for the next section you wrote

85-90% of the chats were started by you

how did I manipulate you to chat with me let alone the girls as well? Are you manipulated that easy and have no control?

you contradict yourself on how you should like everyone and always make new friends. If that is the case there should be no problem that I have tony as a friend, and I dont think what he is saying is wrong, I agree with him.

I stand the same as you and will gladly end it but also am not going to end it with a posting like you made above directly calling me a liar and make comments that are far from accurate. Your last posting replying to my questions was only about me so yes it did take the reply.

I know you do not like to believe my print screen postings but I think most ppl do as not many of us have the free time to do all the editing you like to make it sound like I did. I am not familiar with it and dont have the time to do that, u make it sound like it is easy so u must have done it before and know how to do it and have plenty of time to do the editing. BUT, if any others who read this want to see more of the chats I will gladly post them or send them to anyone via email

You ask 30 questions then tell me not to reply. If u ask questions I will answer them and as you said you do not want lies out there about you, well I feel you are lying about me and I dont want that so I have to reply

First: I did not have anything to do with them talking to you or what they talked to you about. If u remember things I even stated above u had plenty of side chats with them while we had a conference chat taking place too.

I was not a teacher or employer of them and gave them no instructions on how to talk to you or what to talk to you about

We NEVER claimed they were 18, we frequently mentioned one of them was 15 yes 15 not even old enough to drive so you have the memory problem with the memory there.

both them and you talked sexual. I never said the girls didnt but that all carried on from previous chats and you YES YOU initiated the very first round and things just continued from day to day.

I am sure they called you sexy but you always told them how hot they were too

1) Donald Duck - I do not recall the if the girls were part of the chat or not but I do remember us discussing donald and his terrible language and 4 letter words

2) cucumbers I do NOT recall, but what you and the girls talked about I have no clue if it was not a group chat

3) Watermelons I know of the conversation u had with others but never me directly

so, no you did NOT change what was talked about at times but u changed who did what to initiate everything and who you chatted with about what things. You had so many chats and side chats going that u cant remember who you told what and who asked u what. Keep it straight who the conversations were with. You also have it wrong of what I had control of with the girls.

now for the next section you wrote

85-90% of the chats were started by you

how did I manipulate you to chat with me let alone the girls as well? Are you manipulated that easy and have no control?

you contradict yourself on how you should like everyone and always make new friends. If that is the case there should be no problem that I have tony as a friend, and I dont think what he is saying is wrong, I agree with him.

I stand the same as you and will gladly end it but also am not going to end it with a posting like you made above directly calling me a liar and make comments that are far from accurate. Your last posting replying to my questions was only about me so yes it did take the reply.

I know you do not like to believe my print screen postings but I think most ppl do as not many of us have the free time to do all the editing you like to make it sound like I did. I am not familiar with it and dont have the time to do that, u make it sound like it is easy so u must have done it before and know how to do it and have plenty of time to do the editing. BUT, if any others who read this want to see more of the chats I will gladly post them or send them to anyone via email

You ask 30 questions then tell me not to reply. If u ask questions I will answer them and as you said you do not want lies out there about you, well I feel you are lying about me and I dont want that so I have to reply

First: I did not have anything to do with them talking to you or what they talked to you about. If u remember things I even stated above u had plenty of side chats with them while we had a conference chat taking place too.

I was not a teacher or employer of them and gave them no instructions on how to talk to you or what to talk to you about

We NEVER claimed they were 18, we frequently mentioned one of them was 15 yes 15 not even old enough to drive so you have the memory problem with the memory there.

both them and you talked sexual. I never said the girls didnt but that all carried on from previous chats and you YES YOU initiated the very first round and things just continued from day to day.

I am sure they called you sexy but you always told them how hot they were too

1) Donald Duck - I do not recall the if the girls were part of the chat or not but I do remember us discussing donald and his terrible language and 4 letter words

2) cucumbers I do NOT recall, but what you and the girls talked about I have no clue if it was not a group chat

3) Watermelons I know of the conversation u had with others but never me directly

so, no you did NOT change what was talked about at times but u changed who did what to initiate everything and who you chatted with about what things. You had so many chats and side chats going that u cant remember who you told what and who asked u what. Keep it straight who the conversations were with. You also have it wrong of what I had control of with the girls.

now for the next section you wrote

85-90% of the chats were started by you

how did I manipulate you to chat with me let alone the girls as well? Are you manipulated that easy and have no control?

you contradict yourself on how you should like everyone and always make new friends. If that is the case there should be no problem that I have tony as a friend, and I dont think what he is saying is wrong, I agree with him.

I stand the same as you and will gladly end it but also am not going to end it with a posting like you made above directly calling me a liar and make comments that are far from accurate. Your last posting replying to my questions was only about me so yes it did take the reply.

I know you do not like to believe my print screen postings but I think most ppl do as not many of us have the free time to do all the editing you like to make it sound like I did. I am not familiar with it and dont have the time to do that, u make it sound like it is easy so u must have done it before and know how to do it and have plenty of time to do the editing. BUT, if any others who read this want to see more of the chats I will gladly post them or send them to anyone via email

You ask 30 questions then tell me not to reply. If u ask questions I will answer them and as you said you do not want lies out there about you, well I feel you are lying about me and I dont want that so I have to reply

First: I did not have anything to do with them talking to you or what they talked to you about. If u remember things I even stated above u had plenty of side chats with them while we had a conference chat taking place too.

I was not a teacher or employer of them and gave them no instructions on how to talk to you or what to talk to you about

We NEVER claimed they were 18, we frequently mentioned one of them was 15 yes 15 not even old enough to drive so you have the memory problem with the memory there.

both them and you talked sexual. I never said the girls didnt but that all carried on from previous chats and you YES YOU initiated the very first round and things just continued from day to day.

I am sure they called you sexy but you always told them how hot they were too

1) Donald Duck - I do not recall the if the girls were part of the chat or not but I do remember us discussing donald and his terrible language and 4 letter words

2) cucumbers I do NOT recall, but what you and the girls talked about I have no clue if it was not a group chat

3) Watermelons I know of the conversation u had with others but never me directly

so, no you did NOT change what was talked about at times but u changed who did what to initiate everything and who you chatted with about what things. You had so many chats and side chats going that u cant remember who you told what and who asked u what. Keep it straight who the conversations were with. You also have it wrong of what I had control of with the girls.

now for the next section you wrote

85-90% of the chats were started by you

how did I manipulate you to chat with me let alone the girls as well? Are you manipulated that easy and have no control?

you contradict yourself on how you should like everyone and always make new friends. If that is the case there should be no problem that I have tony as a friend, and I dont think what he is saying is wrong, I agree with him.

I stand the same as you and will gladly end it but also am not going to end it with a posting like you made above directly calling me a liar and make comments that are far from accurate. Your last posting replying to my questions was only about me so yes it did take the reply.

I know you do not like to believe my print screen postings but I think most ppl do as not many of us have the free time to do all the editing you like to make it sound like I did. I am not familiar with it and dont have the time to do that, u make it sound like it is easy so u must have done it before and know how to do it and have plenty of time to do the editing. BUT, if any others who read this want to see more of the chats I will gladly post them or send them to anyone via email

Jeff I also find it appalling that you are now using the bible to justify your perverted behavior online. You also say you don't like being slandered but you have slandered the Kelly site, Alan and Art not just on this website but on other blogs you have put out on the internet claiming that you are just a victim in the whole thing. Where is Alan or Art's chance or ability to clear their name on these blogs you have posted out there.

Jeff if your 31 years old it is real simple: What are you doing talking dirty to underage girls online? It also doesn't surprise me if your still a virgin Jeff, just from your annoying posts I can tell your not dealing with a full deck of cards.

DO us all a favor Jeff, get off this site and stop going on and on like your some victim here. The real victims are the underage girls that you subjected to your perverted behavior online. How many victims are out there Jeff? How many will come forward?

All I have to say about that last comment is

With dealing with the four people on this Rip Off site, I am seriously wondering, especially with the last post, if people in the US actually get an eduacation. Inoccuous and bobe are not even words. You are right about two things though , you really do need spell check and you really are a "Mad man".

#1 I didn't do anything wrong.
#2 There are no charges.
#3 It's not the site I care about it's the comments made about me that are not true.

Words actually can hurt people. Parents and grandparents often will say that because most people are teased at some point in there lives . I have been studying the bible and slander and gossip is never harmless; it distorts the truth about people and almost always is intended to tear them down. The Bible rightly says that A perverse man stirs up dissension" (Proverbs 16:28). So please go on about your day and don't stir things up. Have a good Christmas and please think about what you are saying.

Jeff

WOW! How much documented proof can be posted here from reputable (Need spell check) and Jeff still insists he's innocent of the charges brought against him. Life should not revolve around a silly, inoccuous Fan site. My Grand Mother always said, " Sticks and stones will break your bobe, but WORDS will never hurt you." Jeff GROW up!!!!!!!!!!

WOW! How much documented proof can be posted here from reputable (Need spell check) and Jeff still insists he's innocent of the charges brought against him. Life should not revolve around a silly, inoccuous Fan site. My Grand Mother always said, " Sticks and stones will break your bobe, but WORDS will never hurt you." Jeff GROW up!!!!!!!!!!

*Note I have tried to end this several times but you are making up things that I haven't done. I tried to post this 3 times but it is posting ads instead so hopefully you get the chance to see what you did to me and will tell people the truth ( yes or no) to what you said to me and what we talked about on the internet.

Art,

It was my intention to end it with my last and final post. Nope, I don't wish it to end with lies myself. I do want it to end art.

Alan said it would go away if we let it go away, so let's take his advice and we can just let it go.

Art, did you or did you not have those underaged girls on your msn and did you or did you not trick them into talking sexually, and did you or did you not instruct them to talk sexually to me and did they or did they not say they were over 18 and did they or did they not encourage sexual talk and did they or did they not call me sexy?

The answer to all is yes you did and yes they did. And if you can't remember this happening such a short time ago, I just don't know what you were thinking at the time this happened.

Art do you or do you not remember talking to me and the girls about

#1 Donald Duck ( and some of it was perverted)
#2 Cucumbers ( up areas of the young girls bodys)
#3 Watermelons ( encouraging me to have intercourse with the mellons at least several times per week and asking if I had bought one or two of the mellons and you asked what I did with them)

Art I am not changing the facts of what we talked about on msn ok, this is what it was.

Art, you may not have "MADE" me chat but you did come on msn with me A LOT and you were interested in me and manipulated me into chatting with you and you also got the girls to chat with me ( and made them act like they were romantically interested in me) so that you could talk with me and so that I would be interested in chatting with you and them. I remember it all well.

Ya I don't want to end it with you calling me down as well. But I want to end it ... when do you want to end it? When I say it's all over you come back and comment.

Well, about the phone calls at night. No one has my number other then you guys. Also it happened at the same time we were chatting.

Art, you made me "feel" like you were my friend, so I chatted with you, you manipulated me into chatting with your friendly talk, and your Kelly talk, and with the girls, who doesn't need a friend????....you knew I needed one and worked that to your advantage.

Why would you want to become freinds with Tony, a total stranger, just that fact, tells everyone that something is wrong. Maybe you are friends with him already? (because most people don't encourage negative people to be friends unless something is up) This puts a big question mark in all of your stories if you are trusting people that are clearly negative and possibly criminal.

I said I never REALLY request friends. The REALLLLLLLY meaning, that I added some celebs. Anyhow, I don't talk to people on MySpace...that site is old news. It's lost it's cool factor and it's boring now.

The officer just thought you and Alan and all the people telling on me like a kindergarten class were pretty lame. He set up the whole thing, just like they would anyone that they wanted to catch, and after a small chat he said to me just said to me that I was a good person and he said thank you for not wanting to talk to the girl he was calming to be, and that was it, he tried so hard, like you Art, to get me to say something, anything, and I didn't , and he was impressed with me. He really tried hard to get me to say something but I clearly stated my views to the girl he was trying to be, and said that I don't talk to girls under 18 and that I was sorry I didn't want to be friends with her.

So I feel good that I proved that to someone who had started to believe this nonsense. I am sure he knows my kind heart and I said to him thanks for doing your job, and I hope you catch the people who are committing the crimes.

I am the first person to disagree with people who harm children. I care about children very much, and you mistake care for them as hurt. Caring about people is not a bad thing. In the United States you may not see people caring and when people do care you may see that as strange but in Canada we like to care for people openly, and it is not harmful, it helps people.

I don't think I said anything bad about you or tony or alan. Your mistaking saying bad things with explaining the truth about what happened. Everyone has there own "truth" and you guys made your mind up about me before you even knew who I really was. I felt betrayed by you and Alan 100's of times. I am not the person you claim.

I don't understand your second to last paragraph at all.

ok don't use kelly's lyrics against me

I could say "because of you" ....

or

I will never be like you
Ill never do the things you do
Selfish and lonely, whats your problem?
Letting go of you and this
Is harder than I thought but I will not be poisoned by your actions

So ya Kelly is right that I will never be a person that tries to put people down and will not try to hurt a person's life.

I can't be poisoned by your actions.

or

don't waste your time trying to fix what I want to erase what I need to forget don't waste your time on my my friend, friend what does that even mean?

Because you said you were my friend, and you abused the word.

Friends would never do that to each other.

if you were my friend you would have cared for me.

I need to erase this and need to forget it.

Lets all erase it... don't waste myyyyyyyyy time ( the end of the song Kelly says don't waste myyy time .. so please don't.)

You say you wish me a great Christmas but that you don't wish me well, isn't that a lie right there? You either want me to have a great Christmas or don't, not both at the same time. Again you are showing that you will say one thing but mean the other. Merry Christmas and not wishing them well are too separate things.

I wish you well after all the bad things you guys have both done to me and that should defiantly be a sign that I can state what has happened while caring about you at the same time.

Merry Chistmas for real

*Note I have tried to end this several times but you are making up things that I haven't done. I tried to post this 3 times but it is posting ads instead so hopefully you get the chance to see what you did to me and will tell people the truth ( yes or no) to what you said to me and what we talked about on the internet.

Art,

It was my intention to end it with my last and final post. Nope, I don't wish it to end with lies myself. I do want it to end art.

Alan said it would go away if we let it go away, so let's take his advice and we can just let it go.

Art, did you or did you not have those underaged girls on your msn and did you or did you not trick them into talking sexually, and did you or did you not instruct them to talk sexually to me and did they or did they not say they were over 18 and did they or did they not encourage sexual talk and did they or did they not call me sexy?

The answer to all is yes you did and yes they did. And if you can't remember this happening such a short time ago, I just don't know what you were thinking at the time this happened.

Art do you or do you not remember talking to me and the girls about

#1 Donald Duck ( and some of it was perverted)
#2 Cucumbers ( up areas of the young girls bodys)
#3 Watermelons ( encouraging me to have intercourse with the mellons at least several times per week and asking if I had bought one or two of the mellons and you asked what I did with them)

Art I am not changing the facts of what we talked about on msn ok, this is what it was.

Art, you may not have "MADE" me chat but you did come on msn with me A LOT and you were interested in me and manipulated me into chatting with you and you also got the girls to chat with me ( and made them act like they were romantically interested in me) so that you could talk with me and so that I would be interested in chatting with you and them. I remember it all well.

Ya I don't want to end it with you calling me down as well. But I want to end it ... when do you want to end it? When I say it's all over you come back and comment.

Well, about the phone calls at night. No one has my number other then you guys. Also it happened at the same time we were chatting.

Art, you made me "feel" like you were my friend, so I chatted with you, you manipulated me into chatting with your friendly talk, and your Kelly talk, and with the girls, who doesn't need a friend????....you knew I needed one and worked that to your advantage.

Why would you want to become freinds with Tony, a total stranger, just that fact, tells everyone that something is wrong. Maybe you are friends with him already? (because most people don't encourage negative people to be friends unless something is up) This puts a big question mark in all of your stories if you are trusting people that are clearly negative and possibly criminal.

I said I never REALLY request friends. The REALLLLLLLY meaning, that I added some celebs. Anyhow, I don't talk to people on MySpace...that site is old news. It's lost it's cool factor and it's boring now.

The officer just thought you and Alan and all the people telling on me like a kindergarten class were pretty lame. He set up the whole thing, just like they would anyone that they wanted to catch, and after a small chat he said to me just said to me that I was a good person and he said thank you for not wanting to talk to the girl he was calming to be, and that was it, he tried so hard, like you Art, to get me to say something, anything, and I didn't , and he was impressed with me. He really tried hard to get me to say something but I clearly stated my views to the girl he was trying to be, and said that I don't talk to girls under 18 and that I was sorry I didn't want to be friends with her.

So I feel good that I proved that to someone who had started to believe this nonsense. I am sure he knows my kind heart and I said to him thanks for doing your job, and I hope you catch the people who are committing the crimes.

I am the first person to disagree with people who harm children. I care about children very much, and you mistake care for them as hurt. Caring about people is not a bad thing. In the United States you may not see people caring and when people do care you may see that as strange but in Canada we like to care for people openly, and it is not harmful, it helps people.

I don't think I said anything bad about you or tony or alan. Your mistaking saying bad things with explaining the truth about what happened. Everyone has there own "truth" and you guys made your mind up about me before you even knew who I really was. I felt betrayed by you and Alan 100's of times. I am not the person you claim.

I don't understand your second to last paragraph at all.

ok don't use kelly's lyrics against me

I could say "because of you" ....

or

I will never be like you
Ill never do the things you do
Selfish and lonely, whats your problem?
Letting go of you and this
Is harder than I thought but I will not be poisoned by your actions

So ya Kelly is right that I will never be a person that tries to put people down and will not try to hurt a person's life.

I can't be poisoned by your actions.

or

don't waste your time trying to fix what I want to erase what I need to forget don't waste your time on my my friend, friend what does that even mean?

Because you said you were my friend, and you abused the word.

Friends would never do that to each other.

if you were my friend you would have cared for me.

I need to erase this and need to forget it.

Lets all erase it... don't waste myyyyyyyyy time ( the end of the song Kelly says don't waste myyy time .. so please don't.)

You say you wish me a great Christmas but that you don't wish me well, isn't that a lie right there? You either want me to have a great Christmas or don't, not both at the same time. Again you are showing that you will say one thing but mean the other. Merry Christmas and not wishing them well are too separate things.

I wish you well after all the bad things you guys have both done to me and that should defiantly be a sign that I can state what has happened while caring about you at the same time.

Merry Chistmas for real

*NOTE: I want to end this whole thing, the problem with Art's last batch of lies is that I don't like him telling them. I am trying to end it right now. Also this reponcse was supposed to come after Art posted such nonesense, but for some reason I just noticed that Art and Alan were being too quiet and I thought I would check what was up???? Could they actually have stopped like I had asked them to do? Nope. They just didn't get my message*

Here it is , I saved it just in case.

Art,

It was my intention to end it with my last and final post. Nope, I don't wish it to end with lies myself. I do want it to end art.

Alan said it would go away if we let it go away, so let's take his advice and we can just let it go.

Art, did you or did you not have those underaged girls on your msn and did you or did you not trick them into talking sexually, and did you or did you not instruct them to talk sexually to me and did they or did they not say they were over 18 and did they or did they not encourage sexual talk and did they or did they not call me sexy?

The answer to all is yes you did and yes they did. And if you can't remember this happening such a short time ago, I just don't know what you were thinking at the time this happened.

Art do you or do you not remember talking to me and the girls about:

#1 Donald Duck ( and some of it was perverted)
#2 Cucumbers ( up areas of the young girls bodys)
#3 Watermelons ( encouraging me to have intercourse with the mellons at least several times per week and asking if I had bought one or two of the mellons and you asked what I did with them)

Art I am not changing the facts of what we talked about on msn ok, this is what it was.

Art, you may not have "MADE" me chat but you did come on msn with me A LOT and you were interested in me and manipulated me into chatting with you and you also got the girls to chat with me ( and made them act like they were romantically interested in me) so that you could talk with me and so that I would be interested in chatting with you and them. I remember it all well.

Ya I don't want to end it with you calling me down as well. But I want to end it ... when do you want to end it? When I say it's all over you come back and comment.

Well, about the phone calls at night. No one has my number other then you guys. Also it happened at the same time we were chatting.

Art, you made me "feel" like you were my friend, so I chatted with you, you manipulated me into chatting with your friendly talk, and your Kelly talk, and with the girls.... Who doesn't need a friend????... you knew I needed one and worked that to your advantage.

Why would you want to become freinds with Tony, a total stranger, just that fact, tells everyone that something is wrong. Maybe you are friends with him already? (because most people don't encourage negative people to be friends unless something is up.. I find this very odd.)

I said I never REALLY request friends. The REALLY meaning, that I added a few of them. Like some of the celebs. Anyhow, I don't talk to people on MySpace...that site is old news. It's lost it's cool factor and it's boring now.

The officer just thought you and Alan and all the people telling on me like a kindergarten class were pretty lame. He set up the whole thing, just like they would anyone, that they wanted to catch, and after a small chat he said to me that I was a good person and he said thank you for not wanting to talk to the girl he was claming to be, and that was it, he tried so hard, like you Art, to get me to say something, anything, and I didn't , and he was impressed with me. He really tried hard to get me say something and but I clearly stated my views to the girl he was trying to be, and said that I don't talk to girls under 18 and that I was sorry I didn't want to be friends with her.

So I feel good that I proved that to someone who you wanted to believe this nonsense. I am sure he knows my kind heart and I said to him thanks for doing your job, and I hope you catch the people who ACTUALLY committing the crimes.

I am the first person to disagree with people who harm children. I care about children very much, and you mistake care for them as hurt. Caring about people is not a bad thing. In the United States you may not see people caring and when people do care you may see that as strange but in Canada we like to care for people openly, and it is not harmful, it helps people.

I don't think I said anything bad about you or tony or alan. Your mistaking saying bad things with explaining the truth about what happened. Everyone has there own "truth" and you guys made your mind up about me before you even knew who I really was. I felt betrayed by you and Alan 100's of times. I am not the person you claim.

I don't understand your second to last paragraph at all.

ok don't use kelly's lyrics against me

I could say "because of you" ....

or

I will never be like you
Ill never do the things you do
Selfish and lonely, whats your problem?
Letting go of you and this
Is harder than I thought but I will not be poisoned by your actions

So ya Kelly is right that I will never be a person that tries to put people down and will not try to hurt a person's life.

I can't be poisoned by your actions.

or

don't waste your time trying to fix what I want to erase what I need to forget don't waste your time on my my friend, friend what does that even mean?

Because you said you were my friend, and you abused the word.

Friends would never do that to each other.

if you were my friend you would have cared for me.

I need to erase this and need to forget it.

Lets all erase it... don't waste myyyyyyyyy time ( the end of the song Kelly says don't waste myyy time .. so please don't.)

You say you wish me a great Christmas but that you don't wish me well, isn't that a lie right there? You either want me to have a great Christmas or don't, you can't wish someone Merry Christmas and then not wish them well... makes no sense, like everything you say about me.