• Report: #1087112
Complaint Review:

the tao of badass

  • Submitted: Tue, September 24, 2013
  • Updated: Tue, September 24, 2013

  • Reported By: findhonor — NYC New York
the tao of badass
8605 santa monica blvd #21631 los angeles, California USA

the tao of badass Joshua Pelicer , Tim houston , ttob , conor boyland, adam ethofer Complete waste of money, Incompetent, not enlightening , rip off ,scam, liars los angeles California

*General Comment: You are wrong Sir.

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(please note the author of this report does actually game regularly and is not coming from a place of fear and excuses)

My "bootcamp" was a joke. Josh lies about everything from the beginning. If youre expecting to learn some kinds of SECRET TECHNIQUES you are mistaking. In fact dont expect to learn anything about the psychology of women what so ever!! yea maybe you;ll talk to some girls but if you think that youre going to become a master seducer over the course of a weekend you are delusional! espacially if you are learning from these guys! actually they might tell you to just be delusional!

you just got to believe, they say! beliefs are deusions so just delude yourself and you'll attract women.wtf? they are going to transform you FAST right. dont fall for this. women skills are exactly that a SKILL.skills need to be developed over time. if you learn guitar before youre shredding solos you start with smoke on the water.. the coaches will completely avoid any principles of learning. they are callow and unprofessional and simply taking advantage of your inability to practice consistently.Im not sure what I ever expected the to do for me now in retrospect

They weren’t even novice. If you know anything about the industry and you know who tyler durden he has a nice youtube video admitting he has to lie to stay in business. Tao of d****e-bag are just a bunch of nerds who jumped on the gravy train because the biz is a proven money maker and they had some fat wallet marketing scum to back them.

expect to hear them talk a whole lot about themselves rather then be concerned with your success. Dont expect to hear anyhting from josh your fearless leader either. he does not participate in any aspect of coaching whatsoever unless you happen to be in denver where he lives. they are stationed there to target the large influx of young college students moving there because they are perfect candidates for racking up debt and spending frivolously. there is more young people moving there then any other city in the country and these people know their prey. they are nothing more than leeches.  

lets talk about my experience. the first thing they say is " we arent here to get you laid" this is an attraction bootcamp .absurd. thats not what i was told. they didnt even go over one thing on attraction besides. the next they ask what our personal goals are. this is just for show, they didnt even come close to meeting them. all they did was go over some more parts of the book and do a lot of pointless excercises in the room with the other guys. youre readingt this for a reason. ask yourself now, do i want to spend thousands of dollars to run game on dudes? will that help my women skills?.

you will have opportunities to go out and talk to women,but if thats all you htink it takes you are wrong. your fear to stay consistent and approach women regularly is what they are taking advantage of. htis is what they sell you on. have some balls and take charge of your life.nobody can do it for you.thats why its called a self-help industry. you have to do it yourSELF.you dont need to pay these nerds thousands of dollars to hold your hand.just go out and do it

not too mention we didnt get any insights. and again the exercises had nothing to do female psychology. they just send you out to talk to women.  anything they teach actually encourages "nice guy" behavior and is about social dynamics and is a waste of time, trust me i wish i could get mine back. if you are seeking dating advice i highly recommend looking into what exactly "nice guy" behavior is and correcting it.

when we went out I didnt see one coach have any kind of special success with any woman, the actually c**k blocked me on several occasions.

I received no valuable feed back pointers and they didnt correct any mistakes. its as if they had no clue how to coach anyone. any coaching done after the "bootcamp" came off as arrogant and pretentious and they really just tried to qualify themselves as coaches by boasting whenever possible and speaking as if the students are beneath them. there was so many isolated incidents i dont want to fill this report with them.

I believe most of the guys who attended their trainings were equally dissatisfied as i was. you arent going to see real reviews any where trust me. more than half of the guys at my seminar probably asked for refunds as well.

they are by no means at a professional level of women skills. one more of joshs specially woven lies. it disgusts me he makes the bank he does by providing you with a bunch inexperienced kids. they didnt work with me on anything. the coaches are all still in training themselves this i know for certain. they just use you as leverage to fuel their own lives.

they have some kind of narcissistic personal disorder and are obsessed with their own company. its disturbing actually. 

then once you get on their facebook page after the training alls they do is talk about themselves expecting you to praise them and manipulate guys for good reviews.and dont expect your questions to be answered, they are very selective if at all as to what advice they are going to give and to who. 

the very first thing they did after failing to teach any special techniques is try to hock more of their friends crap products on us.they want to suck you dry.i couldnt believe it.then they attempted to make the trades for reviews. theyre all about the sales not helping you.

i know some of the guys who wrote those reviews.they must be some kind of syncopaths because i never read them post any special results. if you read a good review i want you to think about the short story " the emperors new cloths" if you dont know what that is look it up its relevant here.

the positive reviews you read are a joke before you consider this company check the reviews for the real pioneer pick-up companys that train all these other charlattan gurus like josh pelicer.than compare them.the pick up companys that have been around for a long time,have a lot of experience and dont need advertising schemes to stay afloat.

you only found the tao of badass because josh has a wealthy partner to back a large scale marketing scheme. there is tons of other research done on dating. anything from this guy is based on opinions that have to sound original as to avoid plaigiarism. you will not be put on the same path as any of these coaches went on. if they even have success. after seeing them in action I can say they dont have any special wisdom and everything they say is dubious.

the coaching calls are pointless and the assignments are minimal and useless excercises that have nothing to do with picking up women.

the customer service is by far the most disturbing aspect of my experience.I have been disrespected ,talked down to, lied too and IGNORED trying to get my deserved refund back. they have been dishonest and avoiding it for months now. and if you do foolishly decide to go with these guys make sure you are careful with how you pay them just put it all on one card for insurance because if you want a refund at the end they will give you every excuse about how they cant refund you because the way their system is set up.if they even do refund you.

thats the game theyre playing with me. they told me they refunded a small portion of my money but it has been weeks and nothings cleared. they are lying to me to buy time.. ever hear " the customers always right" well thats not their philosophy. every one of them is rude, disgusting and unclear. they dont answer emails or phone messages and deny responsibilities.

do not listen to the guy on the phone! they are specially trained to bullshit you and come off as genuine.they have rapps memorized already. there are many other scam companies that use the same tactics to come off as friendly and relatable but are really manipulating you into thinking they are sincere.Yes there are actually marketing companies that train employees how to lie.they know every contingency and response and are prepared to make the sale...dont believe me? we'll then go see for youself.

or look into this website here.ripoffreport actually exposes many of these operations

the whole company is a disorganized unprofessional mess and there is a lack of communication between them all. there is nobody keeping anything in check. josh lets everyone say and do whatever they want.he doesnt care about helping anybody or any guys experience. there is no curriculum. its a complete joke.

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#1 General Comment

You are wrong Sir.

AUTHOR: chuckfreyer - (USA)

1. Firstly - you have to improve your English grammar. You come across as incoherent, incompetent, illegal (in this country). Where did you get your schooling? You coudl not have been awarded a high school certificate.

I state this - not because of being 'nasty'. But rather - it is important to evaluate your credibility. 

2. You are here to defame this company. If what they taught did not work, then you could get your money back. The fact that you did not suggests it does work. It is only later - without further practicing - that you have ended up womanless. Therefore you now blame your teachers.

3. Every company should be upselling more courses - whether your name is Apple, BadAss or McDonalds ('would you like fries and coke with that? Would you like to make your 99 cent burger into a Big Mac Meal? Profits= 1,000% more!)

If you did not want to buy extra courses - just like in McDonalds - you do not have to. It doesn't seem like you did. So why the complaints? 

4. What is really going on with you ? Please be honest below.

5. I got married after meeting my wife in a library after Tao of BadAss . 

Truth is - even if it does not work (and it does work) - but even if it does not work, you get the 'Hawthorne' effect. By taking on the beliefs they promote - you end up taking more action (daring to talk to a gal) . I would never have talked to a gal in a library before. I said to my wife (when she was not at the time) "hello. what you reading there?"  I later invited her for a coffee . 

Anyway - here are my suggestions:

a] apologize for your comments. It is defamatory and wrong. 

b] if you also want to meet a wife or girlfriend- put the techniques to use

c] hire the authors again but this time pay for constant coaching because you obviously need it. In fact on-going coaching is normal with all athletes, all execs today too. So the fact that you learnt what to do but did not pay for the upsells means you let yourself down.

In conclusion: BadAss is a briliant company and the techniques do work. Even if you did not believe me - the Hawthorne effect is sufficient.

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