• Report: #1079749
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Thermodyne Hydrogen Appliances

  • Submitted: Wed, August 28, 2013
  • Updated: Mon, September 23, 2013

  • Reported By: Darkknight — Saint Paul Minnesota
Thermodyne Hydrogen Appliances
4083 WEST AVE. QUARTZ HILL, California USA

Thermodyne Hydrogen Appliances Hydrogen Appliances Hornet PANORAMA LLP JOHN FOUTS. Thermodyne Hydrogen Appliances criminal conspiracy with murderer child predator John Fouts QUARTZ HILL California

*Consumer Comment: Green Fighters. Fight for your Rights.

*REBUTTAL Individual responds: McPuke will not grow up

*REBUTTAL Individual responds: You need to continue to try to destroy someone.

*REBUTTAL Owner of company: Sodomy

*Consumer Comment: Hello Jeffro!!!

*REBUTTAL Individual responds: If what you say is true

*Consumer Comment: The Real truth of John Daniel Fouts

*Consumer Comment: Matter of Public Record

*Consumer Comment: No Cons??? You Criminal

*REBUTTAL Individual responds: John Fouts

*REBUTTAL Individual responds: This is a crock

*REBUTTAL Owner of company: Jeff Harman is an A**HOLE

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Bob Green of Thermodyne Hydrogen Appliances has been scamming people for years in the small wind power business as wriiten up by well known author Paul Gipe. His inflated wind turbine scams have been laughable in the wind power community for some time. Recently Bob Green has sunk to a new low by conspiring with  JOHN FOUTS PANORAMA LLP of Twin Falls Idaho a convicted murderer. Fouts was convicted of the murder of Mandy Foutz Slaughter. She was a juvenile at the time this child predator swiped the 16 year old her from her family. He took her away brutally murdering her and discarding her body in a 50 gallon drum underneath their trailer as trash, see story here:


Bob Green of Thermodyne Hydrogen Appliances has partnered with this thug to intimidate, stalk and harass other companies as he continues to sell a 1600 watt wind turbine not capable of producing 200. Fouts has made several videos and endorsements for this company with the owners knowledge of his past under the "premise" that it was to bennifitt a woman with breast cancer. See video before he pulls it down at :


Notice welding helmet on youtube channel to conceal identity of thug child predator murderer. Although with an ounce of intelligence one would likely deduct this is not a charity event. It is with this criminal "Bob Greens" blessing that he recruits psychopaths to disrupt confuse and intimidate consumers.

You will also notice if you search the Better Business Bureau you will not be able to find a business listing for this company. I question the existence of a real company and would challenge the owner to publish a business license number in response to this report or a BBB listing. This is not likely to happen because criminals do not want to be found. Same scam new dangerous criminals ....avoid at all costs

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#1 Consumer Comment

Green Fighters. Fight for your Rights.

AUTHOR: Lean Green Fighting Machine - ()

If you like to contact the people spreading lies not only on You Tube but also on Rip-off report and other places of free information, the people listed below, you an contact them and ask them what is there true motive. They will tell you it’s to make sure all Small wind turbine Manufactures tell the truth. But when you watch there videos, they only attack on company MW&S,  Yet they are blind to the fact Company's like Thermodyne Hydrogen Appliance is 100 times worse, they have bad dump load controllers, that stick and short out, and destroy batteries, some times over charging to bursting.  Thermodyne started the clams of over rated outputs.  

You can watch videos and read comments from these guys,  first they say its all Missouri Wind and solar product and then go back and say they were a different companies Product, like thermodynes because MW&S was a distributor of those products. They then go and say the real truth with out thinking about how they just made a complete full of them selves.  These guys lie so much they forget the lie they told the day before. 

The 4 You Tubers are going a round attacking other consumers of a product just for the sake to try and make the company they are working for look better, when it is in fact that company at fault.  

So give them a call and tell them your tired of there attacks and its time for them to go away, and that we as a group will stand up to them, and shut them down is a court of law if they don’t. these 4 are going a round and treating all consumers of MW&S, telling them if they say anything or do anything they will add them to there false lawsuit against a great company.  Many like Polaraco think the law is a one way street, he will soon find out its not so.   So consumers if you are tired of these people bashing you attacking you and treating you, give them a call give there Police departments call, file a restraining order on them, so they can not contact you again, and call there local governments and let them know what these people are up to. And put a stop to there attack not only on you but the company witch you are happy with. Support you community from, the 4 terrorist

Main instigator 

Polaraco Hobby, aka Steve Hobby   Phone number (((REDACTED)))

His buddy

Thebillythekid2010 aka Billy Jackson Phone number (((REDACTED)))

And the Canadian that thinks he is safe from a lawsuit because he live in Canada and thinks he can get a way with what he dose one You Tube, He will soon find out from an upcoming lawsuit against him that he is not safe. 

Peper0110 aka Alan Desrochers (((REDACTED)))

So give them a call and Tell them we have had enough of there attacks and harassments on You Tube there the forms were they post untrue information, on the consumers of MW&S products its time to act now and shut these people down.   Call your congressman, local police departments, and lets work together and put these people behind bar's were they belong for internet terrorism.

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#2 REBUTTAL Individual responds

McPuke will not grow up

AUTHOR: Polaraco - ()

Charles P McCune


Mr. McCune rambles on, and has been made a fool of on YouTube.  So badly he had to get help with his responses because he is so poorly educated.  But yet instigates issues.

Where he gets the idea we have been stating false information, is unknown.  We suspect the originator of this entire propaganda.  They put all this crap here because they know it won't be removed.

That said; let me state some facts about Mr. McCune

He has a retarded boy.  He is training the boy to go through dumpsters for treasure.  Once the boy came home with a neighbors lawn mower.  Mr. McCune told an associate of mine he slapped the kid around for that.  Mr. McCune started a wind business which clearly creates a conspiracy.  He is employed at General Tire Manufacturing in Illinois 618-244-0397 Ask for Hank.  He also collects Food Stamps and WIC, He may be getting other benefits.

McCune associates with Mr. Harmon of Seymour Missouri.   Mr. Harmon has been known to harbor a known Petifile, and tried to cover it up.  Mr Harmon is a Bigot and n**i supporter. All this is FACT!  Mr. Harmon makes up charges and sues his customers because they ask for their money back, or stand up to him.  If he can't control you he will try to destroy you.

This is the people who want you to believe this crap is true. Basically Mr. McCune should talk.

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#3 REBUTTAL Individual responds

You need to continue to try to destroy someone.

AUTHOR: Polaraco - ()


Yup.  Another clay brained yoyo or the string puller himself.  I noticed you totally ignored what I said.  JD would not have the ability to do allot of things he has been doing.  I repeat he was ACQITED!  You people neglect to tell ALL the facts.

Now that you have comitted slander, you will be dealt with accordingly.  We are using your own arrogance against you.


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#4 REBUTTAL Owner of company


AUTHOR: Pepasabitch - ()

 Dear Dr Pepper we understand that you and the green consumer advocates are upset and tearful that your dear friend John the murderer is feeling down. We also understand that after 10 years and all of the sodomy he must have endured being a minority in a prison system ran largely by the black men he now hates so badly he must have been severely abused. My guess now is when he farts it makes more of a whoof racket. It is also goof that your friend and close allied group have lots of man love and tenderness. It is for this reason I do not understand the photo being placed of Mr. Harmon that was meant to insinuate he was the gay man on a TV show. It would seem that their is much homosexuality over in your neck of the woods. It is also bothersome that Mr. Green being the honest wholesome businessman the he purports to be would make such an overt gesture of hatred toward the "alternative lifestyle" community. We think you all need help and some quality time alone with each other. While you guys apparently cannot run a business you can spend a lot of time acting like pussies. Just an FYI Mr. Pepper if senior' retard Jackson has you brainwashed into thinking you can make slanderous and defamatory comments against others since you live in Canada you better take a second look. You are about to find your a*s in court where we will b***h slap your a*s with that red maple leaf.

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#5 Consumer Comment

Hello Jeffro!!!

AUTHOR: peper0110 - ()

 h*o boy!!!

This have been a long journey and it`s about to be sorted out by a judge... I hope people will read those lines and take great care of what have been said here.. Jeff Lynn Harmon is the starter of all that VICIOUS CALL on a company and an individual that i know for the PROFIT ONLY... Thermodyne of Lancaster is a direct competitor of Missouri Wind and Solar in Seymor Missouri..I have been fighting with that person for making him proof of his STATEMENTS ON YOUTUBE of the wattage of his product..Now the STAKES have been CRANKED a notch higher with his multiples lawsuit against people that stand up against his vicious attack.. Jeff Harmon used this site to detour people attention away from Thermodine and DROWN THEM TO HIM..

There is various charges that will be hold against him in the court of law to have FALSEFIED RATING NUMBERS on various product that he sells..There will be CRIMINALS CHARGES on him for harassement and threat against ex-customers..

He have been join with another company to have ALL THE MARKET IN THE MICRO WIND TURBINE BUSINESS with proof..

The company that work with him is Hurricane wind turbine... When a have busted them,i have made a vid on youtube and showed people about the CONSPIRACY ALL FABRICATED BY THEM and i was reported to have VIOLATED THEIR VID...

This SHITSHOW is realy bigger than people may think it is...There is at least 8 people that i know of that will have there case recorded in the next couple mounth with criminal charges involved..

From my part, i am in a process to work on the finality of a court case against that conspiracy that TONY from HURRICANE have tried to choke..

I have all the evidences they required to fill, it`s just the LEGALLITY that need to be examin with a microscope...

My intentions are to reveal to public the BIG scam that tram behind the scenes of all that joke..


Thank you

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#6 REBUTTAL Individual responds

If what you say is true

AUTHOR: The Green Consumer Advocates - ()

How is it that Missouri Wind and Solar has so many complaints in 4 years?  Why is is BBB rating so poor?  Why are there 8 people preparing to sue him for 1. Conspiracy, 2. Slander, 3. Perjury, 4. Interstate Fraud.  Why is the Missouri Attorney General gearing up for an investigation? Why is there 52 different complaints on YouTube against Missouri Wind and Jeff Harmon?  And an additional 63 complaints found in forums?  He's only been in business for FOUR YEARS!

If Mr. Fouts were guilty of 2nd Degree Murder, how is he able to adopt 4 children?  Own guns?  Leave his state freely?  The facts are he was initially found guilty, but aquited 7 years later.

Charles McCune is one of the people talking down at everyone here.  Mr. McCune is a low income, low education puppet.  He is one of Mr. Harmons puppets.  Mr. McCune cannot think for himself, is parinoid that Mr. Harmon will withdraw a business deal.  So he does what Mr. Harmon says.  He is just involving himself in things he does not completely understand.

Both of you have just thrown another log on the fire.  

Mr. Harmon is no angle either.  He has a long history of close brushes with the law.  Imagine using his tean age son's name and ID to register a business that was really a Broffle!  And using his sons crudentials to hide other illegal activities.  He also has a long history of fraud and cons.  Mr. Harmon currently has criminal charges against him.  He also has a history of stalking, threatening, drugs, and harbors a Convicted Child Molester.  His group or terrorists has to yell louder to divert the attention away from them,  Don't you think the negitive comments made are a bit bizarre ?

These people are retaliating because people have discovered their activities and have taken action to stop them.  Federal, state and local authorities all have been notified in all cases. They are attacking Thermodyne because Mr. Harmon hates the owners for discontinuing to sell him product.  Mr. Harmons customers have recently figured out what Mr. Harmon really is.  They have switch their business to Thermodyne with much greater satisfaction.  They are now reselling products that really work.  Mr Harmon does no real testing, has stollen designs from other manufacturers and did a poor job at it.  Windy Nation has sued Mr. Harmon already and won for deflamation.

Mr. Harmon is in serious trouble.  He has tapped all his cash resources, is mortgaged to the end, and because of his poor attitude, is losing all his business too.  It's a small world.  He knows people are suing him.  He sues customers when they stand up to him.  The law suits are frivilous and unsubstantiated.  In the current case, Mr. Harmon has not provided a discovery in the time frame allowed by law.  That is because he perjured himself with multiple lies and false claims.  He cannot provide one shread of evidence to support his claims.  In doing so he has violated numerous state and Federal laws.

The reality is he is scared and the people know it.  He talks real tough, but can't fight his own battles.  He also will not accept blame for his own mistakes.

Not one of his clan has any room to talk

The Green Advocates

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#7 Consumer Comment

The Real truth of John Daniel Fouts

AUTHOR: Lean Green Fighting Machine - ()

Thermodyne Hydrogen Appliance New Gangster  John Daniel fouts. 

For those of you that have been told buy John Daniel Fouts Thermodyne's new promoter. That he acted in self defense against a 17 year old Woman, He kills this woman and stuff her in a 55 gallon drum and stuffed her under a Trailer.  This girl's parents never new were she was for a very long time almost 30 years passed before they found out they had a grand daughter, and with the passing of Johns mother did they then find the truth of what happened to there daughter. John Daniels is a cold blooded killer, and Thermodyne is now using this guy to harass youtubers, and consumers of MW&S products.  He is using his Prison, yard lawyer to harass people of youtube and other places.

Mr. John Daniel Fouts, has told people or convinced People like Billy Jackson of Clare CityMinnesota that John Had multiple stab wounds from Mandy Fouts, her real name is Amanda Slaughter. Billy  also know as Thebillythekid2010 on youtube has told many a story that fits John, to make John look as if he was the victim, Billy has told a story that John protected him self, and that every one else is lying even denying the court transcripts of the hearing, even going to say John was acquitted of all charges with and appeal. he had.  John is still listed as a felon, he still has that charge always will for the rest of his life.  Billy Jackson also Thermodyne Hydrogen Appliance new promoter, has also told people on youtube, that there was never a 55 gallon drum, that was all made up buy a Charles McCune on youtube, they also call this guy Mcunt and many other names. Billy Jackson, and John Fouts also attacked this person's child over the internet, calling him names. John Daniel, Billy Jackson, Steve Hobby, and Alan Desrochers, A man from Canada, they have videos on youtube saying they have a class action lawsuit against MW&S. and have been treating all of his consumers with a lawsuit if they promote MW&S product.   Steve Hobby, aka Polaraco Hobby on youtube has made false clams to local Police departments, trying to get people arrested and charged with his false clams, Billy Jackson, and Steve hobby have gone to the lengths to have the Owner arrested for abusing his wife, to tax evasion, to growing pot on his company grounds or in a field, or behind is company. They have also made loco false clams to there local police departments saying MW&S has called them with threats witch never happened, Steve hobby has been sued for many of his false clams that were also unfounded buy the local government in MO. and they won a 140,000 judgment against Steve Hobby. Now Mr. Jackson, is being sued for the same thing that Hobby has done for the last 4 years.   Alan Desorochers aka Peper0110 on youtube they are using this guy do to the fact he is out of the US jurisdiction. He will so find that will not be the case.

Mr. Billy Jackson, also has a story that he has killed some one in California, and that he was Dishonorably discharge from the Marines.  His killing story is false and made up.  Were as his Discharge is true.  The man is dishonest and can't tell one lie from another he tells you ever talk to this guy his story will change every day.

Billy Jackson, John Daniel Fouts, Steve Hobby and Alan Desorochers, have also been attacking the Venders of MW&S, Like Colman Air, the company that builds there charge controllers. and companies that build his blades to his stators, they have contacted many of his venders, Threaten them to stop supplying MW&S and treating these companies as well and harassing those companies that conduct Business with MW&S

Here are some links to the truth on John Daniel Fouts.




You can read through the Court transcripts and see for you self what this man has done, even in his own word. You be the Judge of Billy Jackson story.  The above was all recorded buy the court recorder.

Here is also a mug shot of John Daniel Fouts. and a picture of the woman he killed.  and beside him is a mug shot of Billy Jackson the person Dishonorably discharged from the Marine Corps.

 Below is John Daniel Fouts with his Helment hiding his face a fraid to show those who he realy is

He has a a few youtube channels that he uses to harass people on youtube. they are

John Daniels his main youtube channel

and his channel Tellme more. youtube channel and the links to both.

http://www.youtube.com/user/fukuobamma    http://www.youtube.com/channel/UCZO1BO_wWbsfDrWfOzccQDA


 profile-image-309.jpgJohn Daniel Fouts, seen here in an undated mugshot from Missouri, served 12 years in prison and three years of parole on a second-degree murder charge. Photo: Missouri Dept. Of Corrections

Thermodyne Hydrogen Appliance trust a man that will kill a kid, Would you want this man a round your property if you have Kids a round, I know I would not. I would not want to have this guy anywere a round my family.

Here is Billy Jackson, AKA thebillythekid2010 on youtubehttp://www.youtube.com/user/TheBillythekid2010


 Alan Desrochers AKA Peper0110 on youtube.http://www.youtube.com/user/peper0110/videos




the guys pictured above have many other youtube channels. they use to stalk and harass consumers of MW&S product. and make false clams agains the company.

so you decide how is telling the truth the clows above or the facts found in a court document.


The Lean Mean Green Fighting Machine.  Fighting Crime one clown at a time.

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#8 Consumer Comment

Matter of Public Record

AUTHOR: hamsamwich - ()

 Umm you are full of sh*t. Anyone can check it up as its a matter of public record. John was convicted of second degree murder. Again we challenge you to post official documentation otherwise other than the manipulative ramblings of a criminal. Speaking of no cons I see hydrogen appliance is posing a Hye Wind and Skymax on e bay because he is trying to confuse people about his little sh*tty company. Also the last author forgot to mention your friend Steve has roaches and a lot of them. They are actually family members I have heard

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No Cons??? You Criminal

AUTHOR: Felonwatch - ()

 Jeff hasn't got sh*t to do with this. you are the thieving p*ssy b*tch selling "1600 watt" Lies on delco wind turbines on e bay. It is Fraud it is stealing it is plain wrong. Conspiring with criminals murdering kidnapping child predators sucks and so do you. Fouts and dishonorably discharged p*ssy marine and retarded Canadians to intimidate consumers of other companies is a rip off and your spin of a scam. It is a consumer issue and that is the purpose of this forum. I notice that you do not post where you can find your company can be found beside a UPS address or where a BBB listing can be found. Lets try a federal tax ID or maybe even a business license. It is ok because the alphabet boys have been called and they are going to help you locate it.

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#10 REBUTTAL Individual responds

John Fouts


What Mr. Harmon of Missouri wind and solar says is not true at all.  Mr. Fouts did kill his wife.  However he leaves out some important information.  Here again he is on a vendeta on someone who has spoken out against him.  Unlike myself, Mr. Fouts has never bought anything from Jeff Harmon.  All he did was post a video of his wind turbine system which happened to be a competitors.  Mr. Harmon saw fit to trash him on YouTube.  As time went on, he stalked Mr. Fouts and dug into his personal business.


Mr. Fouts was aquited of the offense on an appeal.  He was tried in Springfield, MO, the most corrupt court system in the country.  Mr. Fouts has since adopted 4 children with his new wife and works his can off.  If he were a convicted felon, he would not be able to adopt or own weapons.  Mr. Jeff Harmon, manipulated the results to make John Fouts look bad.  He has been trying to do that to me for 2 years now, so far unsuccessfully.

Please take his report as being authored by a very sick man.

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#11 REBUTTAL Individual responds

This is a crock


The complaint is a pile of crap.  It's too outspoken.  I was a customer of Missouri Wind and Solar and I can tell you his products and attitude absolutely stink.  He is all over YouTube and attacks anyone who speaks out or stands up to him.  I am a victim of this con man.  He is a general thief!  He has a shady history with the law, knows nothing about what he is selling, and abuses you, even threatens your lives if you stand up to him.  This is just another piece of his conspiracy against Thermodyne.


Mr. Green is an honest Businesss man.  I went to Mr. Green after buying from Missouri Wind and Solar, Seymour, MO.  THERMODYNE WORKS!  NO SCAMS.  NO CONS.


Mr. Harmon, who wrote this report is a hateful, pitiful man.  HE IS A LIAR


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#12 REBUTTAL Owner of company

Jeff Harman is an A**HOLE

AUTHOR: Bob Green - ()

This is ALL false.  This was posted by MISSOURI WIND AND SOLAR  owned by one A**HOLE, Jeff Lynn Harmon.

Since he can't match our product quailty the only childish games he has left is playing games like this.  No money has changed hands here so this is NOT a rippoff, it's pure LIABLE and has been recorded for future use.

Missouri wind and solar makes crappy wind turbines that can't even make as much power as a $60.00 solar panel.

SEE   HTTP://youtu.be/R2CbNz93vqs

Best regards

Bob Green



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