Toyota Dangers posed by Toyota Traction Control Amherst New York

You are on a roll, Karl! All of your posts here to date show a COMPLETE lack of any understanding of the subjects discussed.

Since you could contribute nothing here, you have resorted to school boy diatribe. This makes me think you are rather young. Or at the least, very immature.

SLUDGE in his or her BRAIN!!!!!!

You see, when there is 4 feet of snow outside, it doesn't necessarily mean that there is 4 feet of snow on the roads, correct? And even if there was 4 feet of snow on the roads, it gets PACKED DOWN, right? We got over 4 feet of snow in two days out here in Denver last year and the snow WASN'T 4 feet on the roads because there are things called- SNOW TRUCKS that come and plow the roads!!!!

FRIENDLY HELP is NOT really a 'FRIENDLY' person!! It's probably an unemployed person who now works for Toyota making only enough money to purchase TWINKIES & cheap coffee while 'IT' sits behind a computer in its UNDERWEAR!!- DIRTY UNDERWEAR!!

Is there SLUDGE IN FRIENDLY HELP'S UNDERWEAR? I think so!!!!

Maybe Toyota will send 'FRIENDLY HELP' a gift card to K-Mart so 'IT' can get some FRESH UNDERWEAR!!!!

Have a nice day!!!

Hey 'Friendly Help', How LOW do you think Toyota's stock will go??

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''I experienced a complete loss of engine control while pulling into my driveway in approx. 4' of snow.''

''...4' of snow'' means 4 FEET of snow''. Is this a typo??? Did you intend 4'' of snow, i.e. 4 inches of snow?

I have driven a 4x4 F150 with limited slip front & rear axles in upstate NY in the winter on seasonal roads that had over a foot of snow & ice on them. But I would not attempt to drive that F150 into ''approx. 4' of snow'' because the snow would pack up under the vehicle & lift the drive wheels up- meaning the vehicle becomes stuck.

This MUST be a typo! I cannot see how an Avalon could ever be driven through much more than 6 inches of snow. There is very little clearance under these vehicles (Avalon, Camry) to improve aerodynamics (less wind drag = less gas consumed and a quieter ride). These are road cars, not off-road cars.

Anyway, if snow travel is your high priority, use a 4x4 with limited slip on both axles. Then you will either get where you are going (I always did) or you will become horribly stuck.

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''I experienced a complete loss of engine control while pulling into my driveway in approx. 4' of snow.''

''...4' of snow'' means 4 FEET of snow''. Is this a typo??? Did you intend 4'' of snow, i.e. 4 inches of snow?

I have driven a 4x4 F150 with limited slip front & rear axles in upstate NY in the winter on seasonal roads that had over a foot of snow & ice on them. But I would not attempt to drive that F150 into ''approx. 4' of snow'' because the snow would pack up under the vehicle & lift the drive wheels up- meaning the vehicle becomes stuck.

This MUST be a typo! I cannot see how an Avalon could ever be driven through much more than 6 inches of snow. There is very little clearance under these vehicles (Avalon, Camry) to improve aerodynamics (less wind drag = less gas consumed and a quieter ride). These are road cars, not off-road cars.

Anyway, if snow travel is your high priority, use a 4x4 with limited slip on both axles. Then you will either get where you are going (I always did) or you will become horribly stuck.

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''I experienced a complete loss of engine control while pulling into my driveway in approx. 4' of snow.''

''...4' of snow'' means 4 FEET of snow''. Is this a typo??? Did you intend 4'' of snow, i.e. 4 inches of snow?

I have driven a 4x4 F150 with limited slip front & rear axles in upstate NY in the winter on seasonal roads that had over a foot of snow & ice on them. But I would not attempt to drive that F150 into ''approx. 4' of snow'' because the snow would pack up under the vehicle & lift the drive wheels up- meaning the vehicle becomes stuck.

This MUST be a typo! I cannot see how an Avalon could ever be driven through much more than 6 inches of snow. There is very little clearance under these vehicles (Avalon, Camry) to improve aerodynamics (less wind drag = less gas consumed and a quieter ride). These are road cars, not off-road cars.

Anyway, if snow travel is your high priority, use a 4x4 with limited slip on both axles. Then you will either get where you are going (I always did) or you will become horribly stuck.

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''I experienced a complete loss of engine control while pulling into my driveway in approx. 4' of snow.''

''...4' of snow'' means 4 FEET of snow''. Is this a typo??? Did you intend 4'' of snow, i.e. 4 inches of snow?

I have driven a 4x4 F150 with limited slip front & rear axles in upstate NY in the winter on seasonal roads that had over a foot of snow & ice on them. But I would not attempt to drive that F150 into ''approx. 4' of snow'' because the snow would pack up under the vehicle & lift the drive wheels up- meaning the vehicle becomes stuck.

This MUST be a typo! I cannot see how an Avalon could ever be driven through much more than 6 inches of snow. There is very little clearance under these vehicles (Avalon, Camry) to improve aerodynamics (less wind drag = less gas consumed and a quieter ride). These are road cars, not off-road cars.

Anyway, if snow travel is your high priority, use a 4x4 with limited slip on both axles. Then you will either get where you are going (I always did) or you will become horribly stuck.

Then maybe you could demonstrate.

I have a 268 HP 3.5L V6 Camry with VSC and the VSC ''might'' have worked in two different situations during very heavy rain. I am not really sure the VSC ever did anything but the car was rock-steady-responsive even when it really should have aquaplaned in slow-draining water.

I can see where you might have a problem in heavy snow if the (front) drive wheels are turning faster that the non-powered rear wheels. The VSC may be responding to ''locked-up rear wheels'', and a moving 4-wheeled vehicle is UNSTABLE whenever the rear wheels become locked up & are not turning as fast as they should be turning w/r/t the front wheels. This is because the rotating front wheels ''steer against'' the rotating rear wheels and if the rear wheels are not turning nearly as fast as they should the vehicle becomes uncontrolable. Maybe the VSC needs to be more speed-sensitive, i.e. shut off below 10 mph.