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Complaint Review: US Bank - Minneapolis Minnesota

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  • US Bank 800 Nicollet Mall, Minneapolis, Minnesota U.S.A.

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I was contacted by DMK & Associates, a collections agency, on December 18, 2008 regarding an outstanding balance on my US Bank account. This was the first I'd heard of this matter.

During their initial call, I requested a validation statement from DMK and they said they would send it to me. I never received it.

I called US Bank later that same day and was informed that I owed $329.00 and that my statements had been mailed to my previous address. I told them I had moved in early 2007 and corrected the address on the phone (since they evidently missed or ignored the change of address request I had mailed them)and I asked what the charges were for. I was told I would need to go in person to any US Bank branch bank to obtain copies of the statements.

My account is a checking as savings account, which I used rarely and kept a $5.00 balance. I never had any checks or a debit card associated with the account, which means the only way I can obtain funds from it is to go into the bank or provide someone with my account and bank information. Since I did not remember using the account at all in 2007, I suspected the charges may be fraudulent - especially since my statements were being sent to the wrong address.

I visited the branch nearest my home on December 20, 2008, and spoke with the Bank Manager. He told me he suspected the charges were all overdraft fees, but could not find any information in the computer because the account was closed and charged off. He said he thought the bank had made an error and could resolve it easily and he instructed me to go to the branch where the account was originally opened and request the statements to substantiate the original charges.

He referred me to the Bank Manager at my original branch. He said he would notify that manager in advance and she should be in touch. He also recommended that I advise DMK & Associates that the matter was being handled by the bank.

I did not hear from the other Bank Manager. Following the holidays, I called her and she said she knew about the matter, but couldn't help me. I told her I just needed to know what the original charge was for. She promised to call me back. She never called back, so the next weekend (January 3), I went into the branch in person and asked for the statements.

The Bank Manager advised that it was too late for me to dispute the charges because the bank policy limits customer disputes to 30 days after the original charges appear on an account statement (obviously, it was impossible for me to make this deadline since the statements did not go to my current address). She also stated that she could not obtain the statements I requested and speculated they were probably overdraft fees.

She offered to contact the Recoveries Department and call me back. When she called me a few days later, she left a message advising that the Recoveries Department could not provide the information I requested.

On January 17, 2009, I copied the Attorney General's office on correspondence between myself, U.S. Bank, and the original collections agency, DMK & Associates. I stated that I was disputing the bank charges until I received documentation showing what they represent (what the original amount was, how it was posted - check, debit, online, etc., and who it was made to) as I cannot determine what they are and whether they are legitimately incurred by me.

On January 30, I received a letter from US Bank Recoveries with statements dated April 20 through August 20, 2007 attached. These statements showed my balance was $5.00 until a single posting was made to my account of $358.83 on July 16, 2007, which overdrafted my account.

This is not a charge I recognize and it makes no sense that it was posted to my account. (Why would I try to withdraw or make a purchase of that amount knowing that I only had a $5.00 balance? Further, what teller would allow me to do this since I would have had to go into the bank to take out the money?)

Subsequent bank statements show additional overdraft fees accruing as a result of this posting.

On February 9, 2009, I received a letter from the Attorney General's office stating that they would assist me in contacting the company and requesting an explanation of the charges and to keep them abreast of any further information.

On March 3, 2009, I called US Bank's Recoveries Department (again) to inquire about the source of the $358.83 charge made against my account. The representative I spoke with had a lot of difficulty finding any information.

Finally, he agreed that I had a $5.00 balance until July 2007 when, he said, $26.00 in overdraft fees were posted to my account. Subsequently, I've been charged an additional $7.00 per day.

The representative stated that he could not find a record of the original posted amount that caused the overdraft and asked me where I came up with the $358.83 amount. I told him that it was in the statements I received from US Bank Recoveries. He said the charges appeared to him to be fraudulent as he could see no record of them on my statements.

I asked him if there was anyone else at US Bank I should contact to try to resolve the matter and he said the Recoveries Department has done all they can for me. I asked him what the best way to resolve the situation would be and he suggested I contact an attorney. He offered to send the account statements to me and I received them in mid-March.

Unfortunately, the statements are not helpful, though, because they are reports of summary balances and do not show how the original charge was made or who it was to. I still cannot determine what exactly I was being charged for in the first placewho charged me and how it was posted to my account.

A couple of weeks later I received a letter dated March 19, 2009 from the Attorney General's Office, enclosing a letter they received from DMK & Associates, dated February 12, 2009. The DMK letter stated that they had closed my collections account and returned it to U.S. Bank.

On April 9, 2009, I received a call from from Weinerman & Associates, another collection agency retained by US Bank concerning the same account. Their representative claimed to know nothing about my dispute. I had to explain everything and fax information to her. I never heard from her again.

On April 15, 2009, I was contacted by Morris Law Group P.A., another collections firm (!) who advised they were retained by Portfolio Management Group (?) regarding the U.S. Bank account matter. I was told that the current amount due is now $495.19. I explained the situation and again agreed to fax my correspondence to this new collector, which I did the same day.

Yesterday, April 25, 2009, I received a bill in the mail from RL Morris & Associates, PLLC (evidently the same agency as Morris Law Group, P.A.) requesting that I pay the US Bank charges in full. I sent them the same dispute letter I've been sending to the other agencies and copied US Bank and the Attorney General's office.

I am at my wits end. The situation is becoming worse every day. US Bank refuses to substantiate a charge they posted to my bank account, which may be fraudulent, and instead, charged me overdraft fees and turned my account over to numerous collections agents.

Meanwhile, additional charges are being added to the account and I am receiving weekly, sometimes daily, calls from (now 3) different collections agencies. I have been forced to spend my time and money faxing, meeting with people, making numerous calls, and mailing letters, all in an effort to defend myself. I am concerned about my credit score and feel completely powerless to resolve this matter.

I have kept the Attorney General's office informed of all the developments in this matter and I am keeping excellent records. I plan to speak to my attorney next week for guidance on how to proceed. It's unfortunate and unfair that I should have to retain a lawyer and incur legal expenses in order to resolve the situation when it could be easily settled if US Bank would simply provide the information I have requested.

Erob12
St. Louis, Missouri
U.S.A.

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#7 Consumer Comment

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AUTHOR: Ashley - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Wednesday, July 15, 2009

Did you ever have a directv account?

If you read on this site they are notorious for what has happened to you. If you had a directv account, did you cancel it within the first 2 year or not return some equipment?

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#6 Consumer Comment

The light

AUTHOR: Ashley - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Wednesday, July 15, 2009

Did you ever have a directv account?

If you read on this site they are notorious for what has happened to you. If you had a directv account, did you cancel it within the first 2 year or not return some equipment?

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#5 Consumer Comment

The light

AUTHOR: Ashley - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Wednesday, July 15, 2009

Did you ever have a directv account?

If you read on this site they are notorious for what has happened to you. If you had a directv account, did you cancel it within the first 2 year or not return some equipment?

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#4 Consumer Comment

The light

AUTHOR: Ashley - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Wednesday, July 15, 2009

Did you ever have a directv account?

If you read on this site they are notorious for what has happened to you. If you had a directv account, did you cancel it within the first 2 year or not return some equipment?

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**UPDATE**

AUTHOR: Erob12 - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Wednesday, July 15, 2009

I received a letter from US Bank on June 1, 2009 stating that they've investigated the matter and that although they found no fault on their end, they will be reversing the overdraft fees affiliated with the account. They said I could request full documentation of their investigation by request.

The letter also showed that the original charge to the account was made by DirecTV and was attached to a DirecTV account number I did not recognize. I called DirecTV to inquire about the charge and they said they have no history of that account number or of any charge to me for that amount... Interesting...

I wrote back to US Bank requesting the full documentation of the investigation and agreed that since they were reversing the charges, I considered the matter closed.

On July 14, 2009, I received a phone call from 'Jason' at Regent Asset Management Solutions 'on behalf of the law office of D. Scott Caruthers' who stated there was a judgement against me in the amount of $844.47 for an overdue US Bank account balance. (!) I explained to 'Jason' (who was INCREDIBLY rude from the beginning) that I received a letter from US Bank stating that the charges were being reversed. He of course did not believe me, so I offered to fax him a copy of the letter. He demanded the account number be written on the letter. Of course the number is already on the letter, but since I haven't received any validation of this debt and I don't know him from Adam, I blocked out all but the last four numbers of the account number. If he is legit, he will have the full number or can obtain it from his client. I faxed him a copy of the letter as well as another letter telling him that I do not want their company to contact me any longer per the FDCPA.

I called US Bank's fraud department and asked them why there are still collectors calling me about a resolved account. The girl I talked to was extremely friendly and helpful (for a change) and tried to find my account so that she could figure out what was going on. She was unable to find any record of my account in their system. She said she'd have to call me back in 48 hours or that a manager would contact me, because she was unable to find any information about this account ever having existed. (?!?) She also said that if I can get a letter from DirecTV stating what they told me over the phone, that "this will all go away." I'm going to contact them today and see if they can send me a statement.

At 8:00 am, July 15, 2009, I got received a call from 'Alvin' at Regent Asset Management Solutions 'on behalf of the law office of D. Scott Caruthers' who stated all the same things (but wasn't as rude this time.) I told 'Alvin' that I had already faxed a copy of the US Bank letter explaining my situation to 'Jason' and he said "Oh, now I see this in my notes." You'd think he'd have read his 'notes' before calling. He apologized for the inconvenience and hung up.

This whole thing is such a circus! It's been going on for 7 months now!

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length of time

AUTHOR: Ashley - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Thursday, April 30, 2009

I have a suggestion, perhaps the bank does not keep checks that far back? Since 90 days is the typical amount of time to dispute a charge, I can't see banks keeping canceled check for much longer than that. I can't say for sure on US bank, but my bank does not keep checks longer than 60 days unless I have a special account setup and pay a fee for it.

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**Update**

AUTHOR: Erob12 - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Thursday, April 30, 2009

I received a registered letter from US Bank yesterday, April 29, 2009 (only after the BBB got involved) stating that they 'apologize' for ignoring my previous inquiries and that they will not be further investigating the matter. They DID state that a check written from the account for $358.83 had caused the account to go negative. (!) It was condescending and rude - pointing out that if I had been responsible in gathering my statements and checking my account balances daily, I could have dealt with the problem immediately.

I agree that I should've gone into the bank and updated my information when I realized despite submitting a change of address form, I was not receiving statements. HOWEVER, this was a savings account that I kept open in case I needed it later. It had $5 in it. There was no debit card associated with the account or any checks that could be written from the account.

If the account was NOT a checking account and I had never ordered checks or received checks for the account, HOW was a check written from the account??? This is a blatant bank error or case of fraud.

After receiving the letter, I contacted US Bank's recoveries department who then passed me over to the fraud department. I asked the representative if it would be possible to have a copy of the cancelled check faxed or mailed to me. I was told US Bank does not keep records like that and they will only give me my statements to validate the charges.

How does that even make sense?!? US Bank does not keep records??? I've asked my primary bank (a different bank) for copies of checks all the time -- in fact, all I have to do is log into my account and there is a copy provided as soon as it clears!

If US Bank doesn't keep records of account activity other than +/- statement logs, what can be done if a bank error is made or if there is fraudulent activity on the account? I was under the impression that if you were going to accuse an individual or anyone of violating an agreement, you had to have documentation in order for the accusation to have legal standing. Perhaps I was naive.

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