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Complaint Review: WEBCAPADES - hotlocalpersonals.com - Eroticy.com - Internet

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WEBCAPADES - hotlocalpersonals.com - Eroticy.com After following the proper procedures to cancel my account, Webcapades continued to do so. Not they're threatening to sue for $25,000. Internet

*Consumer Comment: Webcapades of Deceit

*Consumer Comment: FOR THE RECORD: "Pat Mitchell"

*Consumer Suggestion: Dispute and dispute again

*Consumer Comment: free websight

*Consumer Suggestion: Do get a lawyer

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I received the following from Webcapades after filing a fraudulent charge on my credit card account:

Please be advised that we have received notification from your bank of your claim that Eroticy.com/WebCapades Inc. has charged your credit card in a fraudulent matter and that the card or card number in question was either lost, stolen, or otherwise misused without your authorization. Pursuant to our terms and conditions, and to comply with our corporate policy, we have fully investigated this matter and found that this is not the case. Please find below the information that we have collected from our database, logs, and documentation.

Name(s): MXXXXXXXX

Account: XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX
Sign Up Date: Thu 2006-Sep-07 13:30:24 EST
IP Address(s) Used: XXXXXXXXXXXXXX
Email Address(s): XXXXXXXXXXXXXX
Photos Archived: Yes
Emails Archived: Yes
Chat Transcripts Archived: Yes

The terms and conditions that you agreed to when you signed up for our service specifically restricted you from making such fraudulent accusations and provided clearly called for remedy to WebCapades, Inc. in the event that you did so. Please read this excerpt from our Membership Terms and Conditions that you agreed to when you signed up on the above date using the above IP address.

"Payment for the services provided to you at and/or through Eroticy.com may be made by automatic credit card charge or direct withdrawal from your checking account and you hereby authorize Company and its agents to transact such payments on your behalf. You agree not to report as lost or stolen any credit card which you have used in conjunction with payment to Eroticy.com, or as unauthorized any charge by Eroticy.com, for any goods or services, including subscription, for which you do not have good reason to believe, is, in fact, lost, stolen or unauthorized.

You hereby agree that any such fraudulent reporting of a lost or stolen credit card used to obtain goods or services from Eroticy.com or any fraudulent reporting of an unauthorized charge to Eroticy.com on your credit card which has been made by you or anyone under your authority, at a time when a charge or other obligation for payment for goods and/or services to Eroticy.com remains outstanding at the time of such fraudulent reporting, you shall be liable to Eroticy.com for liquidated damages of up to $25,000.00. The liability for liquidated damages specified in this Paragraph shall not limit any other liability you may have for breach(es) of any other terms, conditions, promises and warranties set forth in this Agreement."

This email will serve as notification of this violation of our mutually agreed upon Terms and Conditions. If this matter is not resolved, we will take further action which could include filing a complaint seeking civil damages of $25,000 plus legal fees and court costs, notifying the Trans Union, Experian, and Equifax credit reporting agencies of your forfeited debt and pending liability, and establishing an outbound telemarketing campaign in attempts to resolve the matter.

We will accept your settlement of this matter WITHIN TEN (10) DAYS OF THIS EMAIL by form of a money order or certified check in the amount below sent to the following address:

WebCapades, Inc.
Attention - Collections
36181 East Lake Road, Suite 121
Palm Harbor, FL 34685

The Money Order Will be made in the following amount:
$50.00 Bank Fee Per Charged Transaction X 2 = $100.00
$24.95 Per Charged Transaction X 2 = $49.90
$50.00 Processing Fees = $50.00
Total: $199.90

If we receive this certified check or money order within ten (10) days of this email, you will receive an email releasing you from any and all liability that your actions have caused. If we do not, your account will be submitted to a third party collection agency and we will do everything within our rights to recover our loss.

Sincerely,
Pat Mitchell
Vice President, Collections
WebCapades, Inc.

This is how I replied:

Correct. The card was misused without my authorization.

Please be advised, according to your website:

"How Do I Cancel My Membership
Members are able to cancel an HotLocalPersonals.com service at anytime. If you would like to cancel your paid subscription, and had paid by credit card through the site, you would send a cancellation request to Lisa@HotLocalPersonals.com including your user name and registered email address at least 3 days prior to your next billing date. The cancellation request will be processed within 48 hours. Your account will remain active until the date your next scheduled billing would have occurred."

I sent the following email on September 29th, 2006. Nine days before my account was to renew:

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From: XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX
Subject: Please Cancel My Membership (bluedarter31)
Date: September 29, 2006 6:22:13 PM EDT
To: Lisa@HotLocalPersonals.com
Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2)
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Message-Id:
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed

Please do not renew my membership, and cancel it.

Email address: XXXXXXXXXXXXX
Screename: XXXXXXXXXXXXX

Thank you.
XXXX

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That was one of two emails I sent that day, and one of several I sent regarding my account after September 29th with no reply from Lisa@HotLocalPersonals.com.

I followed the procedure and requested a refund of the fraudulent October charge... again, with no response. That email follows:

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From: XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX
Subject: I ASKED TO HAVE MY MEMBERSHIP CANCELLED
Date: October 20, 2006 12:01:58 AM EDT
To: Lisa@HotLocalPersonals.com
Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2)
Message-Id:
Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-18-473608319

I sent an email last month asking to NOT renew my membership, to cancel it and to stop billing my credit card. My account is still active and I found a charge this month on my credit card statement.

I'm disputing the charge and demand an immediate refund.

Screen name: XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX

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I sent subsequent emails with no response either. Only when I threatened to dispute the charge with my credit card company and contact the BBB did I get a response that my account would not be billed after October... AFTER I followed the guidelines in regard to canceling an account.

I requested my account not be renewed by sending an email to Lisa@HotLocalPersonals.com as instructed per your website at least three days before my account was to renew as indicated above to avoid further charges.

I did not authorize the charge for October and requested I not be billed for October in conjunction with canceling my account.

That makes it a fraudulent charge.

If you have any other questions or concerns, please feel free to contact me regarding this matter. I would be more than happy to be corrected if I am wrong. At which time, I'll comply with your requests. I believe I was within my legal rights and would be happy to contact my lawyer to have him look things over if you still indeed feel I breeched any kind of agreement.

End of letter.

So, what do you think about this?

Matthew
Bel Air, Maryland
U.S.A.

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#5 Consumer Comment

Webcapades of Deceit

AUTHOR: NSpectr3 - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Friday, October 26, 2007

I've read about Mr. Duncan's case ... nasty piece of work where Eroticy dumped loads of spam on another social networking site, then responded to Duncan's complaints with years of weasly legal attacks. Consider again, is this the practice of a company genuinely prioritizing its customer base?

I still retain all my anecdotal and actual evidence of the sins of Eroticy and Webcapades, including their sharing of former members' contact data with spoofing scammers, dozens of 'bot' messages broadcast all at once to unique members, and my onsite mail from a female member revealing the existence of said bots on the Eroticy site. If Mr. Duncan or any individual would like copies of this material to combat Webcapades, I may be reached at no charge via "OK Cupid" and "Plenty of Fish" as user name "NSpectr3".

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#4 Consumer Comment

FOR THE RECORD: "Pat Mitchell"

AUTHOR: Scott - (Canada)

POSTED: Sunday, October 07, 2007

"Pat Mitchell" is Scott P. Mitchell.

There is NO SUCH PERSON as "Lisa Martin".

Scott, if you are reading these (and I know you are), this is SCOTT DUNCAN. Remember me?

I have but to walk down the street to the courthouse where we can continue our engagement. There's no "statute of limitations" in Canada. You REALLY want to stop this extortion racket you have going here. If I see any more, I will haul your a*s back into court and litigate you into homelessness. You KNOW it costs me nothing to do so.

I miss making you squirm and had developed quite a taste for it before you turned tail and ran.

You've scammed enough people. Stop, or you'll spend the next 5 years in an Ontario court trying to protect your crumbling assets.

First and last warning.

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#3 Consumer Suggestion

Dispute and dispute again

AUTHOR: John - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Sunday, January 07, 2007

Matthew:

It would be in your interest to review the Eroticy extortion notice discussion from May 2006:

ripoffreport.com/reports/ripoff190032.htm

Notice any differences between the mail Marie got and yours? That's right, none -- apart from the arbitrary settlement fee they claim. These Webcapaders are too lazy to get real jobs, much less actually pursue a five figure settlement through legal channels. They can't even be bothered to change the boilerplate in their shakedowns some eighteen months apart. My favorite part is the absurd listing of site activity in the header under your account data. At least one of the three items cited would be true even for free trial members who never join. They are trying to establish that you have a business relationship while creating doubt and uncertainty as to when those relations end.

You cancelled service well ahead of deadline. That's where the story is meant to end. Beeing a greedy bunch, they decided to scare some more currency from you on your way out the door. Give them nothing, I repeat, not one penny more. Do not log in to the site, not even to check your status, for on the wild chance they get ambitious they could use IP tracking records against you, trying to play up a hit-and-run as meaningful site activity. If they continue to charge you, dispute each attempt with your bank within the thirty day window. If you're unavoidably past the thirty days, try a dispute anyway with explanation. Even a bank with lax customer service or draconian policies does not wish to be seen harboring fraudsters.

Your report did not indicate how Eroticy sent you the extortion notice. If via email you can nose-thumb it away, but if on real paper you will need to respond promptly with disputes on paper of your own. The Fair Debt Collections Practices Act is your ally in this matter. At this stage you need not hire a legal expert, just stay on top of these clowns until they realize you won't be their doormat.

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#2 Consumer Comment

free websight

AUTHOR: George - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Sunday, January 07, 2007

I have reported a couple of web sights and was here to check on eroticy.com and after reading the first article decided i would give my opinion of this sight.

the internet keeps growing and every one of these sights advertise free membership which is just a waste of your time. eroticy.com was no different, after filling out thier enrollment form and becoming a member which makes there sight look better with more clients, you enter sight and cant do anything, all you see is sorry you have to have a real membership where you pay if you want to do that.

there has to be somthing done about web sights making these promises, which are nothing but scams to get you to join and once your a member tell you you cant do anything until you are a paying member. I garuntee you if eroticy.com has also started practicing this kind of tasteless advertising there is a good chance that someones cancellation notice could get lost in the system a lot faster than someones card number they can take charges from.

my suggestion is check on ripoffreports before joining any of these sights and remember most of them do not remove your profile after you leave and you dont know that because your not a member anymore.

the internet is one of the best tools any of us could have ever asked for and we need to stop the scams and tricks that so many are learning how to execute and implement on the innocent and getting away with it. this is starting to get out of hand and like most major problems in the u.s. it wont be adressed until its to late. be aware of the free membership, it is nothing more than a membership that allows you to become a member.

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Do get a lawyer

AUTHOR: Dave - (Canada)

POSTED: Thursday, December 14, 2006

In my opinion, you had good reason to believe the charge was unauthorized.

It looks like they are doing a reverse lottery scam: Pay us 200 or we'll sue for 25,000.

They must think people would rather pay 200 and be done with the matter instead of hiring a lawyer, potentially to defend against 25,000.

I've never heard of the 'liquidated damages' awards being that high. I think, if they sue for breach of contract they will be awarded liquidated damages, but a judge will determine what those damages are. I don't believe they can make a case for 25 grand, even if it's in the contract. They are suing you because you breached the contract (in their view) and therefore the $25k clause is no longer in play unless a judge holds you to it.

But talk to a lawyer. I'm not one.

In your position, I'd probably offer them the 50 bucks for the two months in dispute and be done with it.

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