Report: #868014

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  • Submitted: Fri, April 13, 2012
  • Updated: Fri, June 08, 2012
  • Reported By: Concerned-Dentist — Miami Florida United States of America
    260 95th Street #201, Surfside, FL, 33154
    United States of America They take your Adwords budget, take off their profits, and just leave the Adwords account unmanaged with no form of reporting or way of tracking progress and conversions. Surfside, Internet

*Consumer Comment: Thanks Doctor

*Author of original report: update

Show customers why they should trust your business over your competitors...

Hello I am a dentist who marketed with for over 7 months (also known as, I did receive leads from this company, but the efficiency and how they manage my budget is questionable. With promises for months (actually the day I started with them) I have yet to see a proper report of my website hosted by them. I cannot be happy if I am unable to see how efficiently they are working or how my money is spent, conversions, traffic flow, keywords, seo value and much more. I invest thousands every month to an Adwords budget, and although I get a few leads, it always seems that WM4D is trying to take credit for more leads than they actually sent my way.

Another big concern of mine is that I have seen other Dentists sites in my area and in other regions across the United States sharing the same content on my site, as well as graphics, theme, templates, exactly identical. [continued below]....
..... I surely didn't pay a couple thousand dollars for a site to be exactly like every one of their clients. I have listed all the sites I have found hosted by them that look exactly alike (see below)

It was brought to my attention by a leak in the company, that they use a free CMS: and all their sites are clones one one big unorganized multisite. One of these wordpress sites cost under $300, so I don't understand why I was charged over $3000 for the initial setup of a site that looks like everyone else's. it just seems like I was given a template for thousands, how naive was I?

I have personally seen communication from within the company stating that 80% is good enough and that Dentists won't tell the difference, and that clients are not priority unless they spend a certain amount or have a certain amount of offices with WM4D. This is ridiculous. I am furious. An email was leaked of David Herman the owner of the company stating that everything other than Craig Abramowitz (his client that spends the most) takes lower priority. I want to know where my Adwords money is going and how it's being spent. I need to see data and figures, something they have always put off, or completely ignored my requests. I don't want Isaac Gorin, Steven Mills and David Herman trying to take credit for appointments and leads at the end of the month things they have nothing to do with.

Since I have switched to another marketing company, my adwords budget is less than half, and I have almost doubled the leads coming in. Not to mention I have full control of my site, the reports, I can see traffic and visitors, conversions, costs per click. I am not trying to promote another marketing company so I will not mention the name. But I am making you aware of the WM4D scam.

There are no SEO specialists, PPC pay per click specialists, web developers, programmers, web savvy people in this company. When I asked about the qualifications of the people working on my account I could not get a proper answer. A friend told me to ask them about Organic SEO, and many other things, and it sounds like they are unfamiliar with the terminology, you can tell their "elaboration" is BS. Actually I don't think any of the web staff at this company has been there for more than 6 months, maybe the customer service and the people like Isaac, Miriam, David, Steven who are obviously not Web Savvy.

If you check sites of their clients, they are pretty much all identical:

Rumour has it that they have been through 7 or more (web employees) in less than 6 months (I know a few people at the company who did web work, but none seem to have lasted a signifcant amount of time for me to get familiar with.... Ptah, Jay, Pablo, Diana, Gavin, JM, Diana B., Brendan, plus a few others. There must be a problem internally for them to keep switching out employees that often. There is absolutely no one technically versed in this company, you will find Designers at best.
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#1 Consumer Comment

Thanks Doctor

AUTHOR: ORMPro - (United States of America)

Hello Doctor. I visited over 15 of the websites this so-called "SEO"/"marketing" company made for other victims.

1. Not a single site even had basic SEO performed on it. Not a single "keyword:" a/k/a meta tag, was embedded in the sites. Yes,
they are all Wordpress "multisites" = make a site on WP [wordpress] and clone it in a second with a mouse click. To charge even $500, not to mention 6 X that, at $3,000, for what they deliver with bare bones NON CUSTOM WP site with some stock pics and basically written content is, as the name of this site says: a TOTAL RIP OFF.

2. Google literally automates the entire process of buying adwords, and will generate a report in about 1 minute. They are concealing this report b/c they are likely totally screwing you.

These guys are positively SCAMMERS.

3. Most of the quickie little WP sites they made for thousands of dollars were NOT even ranked by Alexa. Alexa (alexa [dot] com ) is a respected website rating company that rates the traffic to, or popularity of sites. Google is # 1, Facebook is # 2. Wikipedia is #9, Craigslist is around #29, is # 84, etc. The rankings go as far out to 25,000,000 [twenty five million] and then basically show no ranking at all. Not one of the 15 sites I checked were even in the top 25,000,000 websites in the world, i.e. they get virtually ZERO traffic.

4. Most of the $3,000 RIPOFF sites were in fact "subdomains" of the overpriced scammers that sold the site, i.e. the dentists did not even own the domain. like h ttp://new-tampa-clear-braces.wm4d. com. The .wm4d [dot] com is the real domain, however the first part of the url is:  h ttp://new-tampa-clear-braces and is a subdomain. So the website/SEO scammers get the traffic benefit, and NOT the client: the dentist, thus the zero ranking by alexa [and compete & quantcast ratings also].

I could go on for about 2 pages of the fraud which I spotted, in just a cursory exam of 15 of the 251 sites you posted here.

Thank you for posting this warning to other dentists.  Sorry you were exploited by these people! You can e-mail me at 03chanel[at]gmail [dot] com if I can help you any further.
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AUTHOR: Concerned-Dentist - (United States of America)

this is a marketing scam, they claim to do your marketing, but there is no qualified person. They just seem to be very slick talkers.
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