• Report: #373094
Complaint Review:

Windsor-Morgan & Parker

  • Submitted: Mon, September 15, 2008
  • Updated: Tue, October 21, 2008

  • Reported By:Mesa Arizona
Windsor-Morgan & Parker
PO Box 4805 Queensland, Australia

Windsor-Morgan & Parker UBI SCAM "Guaranteed Delivery Statement". $5,000 prize. "Contest of Skill" Robina Town Centre Queensland Australia

*Consumer Suggestion: I got one too

*Consumer Comment: be careful

*Consumer Comment: Mine's different

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I recieved a letter today from "UBI Payment Services" saying that I am guaranteed to receive $5,000 if I return the form and follow their instructions. They claim it is not a lottery or any form of gambling, but that it is a "contest of skill".

The test? Answer the puzzle question 20 + 5 = (circle 25, 21, or 23)

The form requires a signature authorizing payment, and the barely readable faint grey printing on the back explains that "tie-breakers" may be necessary to determine the final winner - and that photo copies of passports or state-issued IDs would be necessary.

What a SCAM!

Clearly there is no skill involved and an untold number of hopeful/gullible people will respond - which will certainly require subsequent "tie-breakers" - so there is no guarantee.

What do you have to lose?

1) Postage or fax fees to Australia

2) The faint print on the back of the letter indicates that Windsor-Morgan will make their mailing list available to other "carefully screened companies". Returning their letter will indicate that they've found *a live one* - and you'll eventually receive Junk Mail from EVERYONE - including more scam artists.

3) You will be giving your full name, address, and SIGNATURE to unknown persons - who could conceivably forge any variety of documents in your name.

4) If you send them a copy of your passport or driver's license - they will also have sensitive data that could be used for IDENTITY THEFT.

No fool
Mesa, Arizona

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#1 Consumer Suggestion

I got one too

AUTHOR: Gailcats - (U.S.A.)

I also received the mailed offer. I also noticed the very faint gray, barely readable print on the back. Then I also realized that they are located in Australia, and the tiny return envelope they provide has printed "International Postage Required" on it. So they are trying to make you waste your money on postage as well! How considerate of them. I don't know what they would get out of the postage money....Anyway, in addition to the possibilities of identity theft and the other concerns raised by the previous two reports (Consumer Comments) that I read, I would like to pass on another bit of information from a consumer to other consumers.

Years ago I got a contest offer similar to this one, except you didn't have to mail it back to Queensland; it was located in the USA. But it sounded quite similar otherwise. They would mail additional number problems to solve after you had sent one in to them. They would get progressively harder, as the company had described, but they were still possible to complete. HERE IS THE CATCH: When they sent the Tiebreaker (yes, I did participate in the contest up to that point; this was a long time ago, before the internet had widespread use, and before identity theft became such an issue), it was a problem which COULD be solved, but ONLY by doing an unbelievable amount of calculation: It was a problem that only a computer would be able to finish in any realistic amount of time. For a human being to do it, even an expert mathematician, without the help of a machine, would take much, much longer than their contest deadline allowed, plus I don't know of anybody who would even be willing to spend day and night working on computing those numbers for the many days, weeks, or months it would take.

Note that their offer states that the tiebreaker takes "a substantial amount of skill" to solve. This is their way of covering their rear ends, so if somebody complains, they can defend themselves saying that they did warn consumers. However, while their statement is not a lie, it is certainly a euphemism or an understatement. If this contest scam is like the one I tried to enter many years ago, they will send a series of number problems where each one is harder than the last, but not so hard that you can't solve it pretty easily. Then they'll send a tiebreaker which, as I wrote, is not LITERALLY impossible, but from a practical standpoint is impossible for a human being to do. (I think in the old contest that I tried, they even printed a rule that you couldn't solve the tiebreaker with the help of a computer, or some such nonsense; I don't know how they thought they were going to check whether contestants did that or not!!!)

Of course I have not even sent the first one back with international postage, so I can't prove what I suspect, but I'll bet you that the final tiebreaker is something like that--something you can't possibly do and wouldn't want to, and you'd have to have a computer running calculations of numbers for a very long time even to get the answer.

I hope this information from my past experience may help some consumers to realize that in addition to stealing your personal information, this contest scam may (likely) use this tiebreaker trick to prevent anybody from actually winning. Don't waste your postage or your time. Thanks for reading this, and best wishes!
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#2 Consumer Comment

be careful

AUTHOR: Don't Think So - (U.S.A.)

hey there,
i know what your talking about. i got mine today and it seems that we received the same kind only asking for the approval and our signature. Don't do it. I hope you haven't mailed it yet. it's not worth it. God knows what they could do with your signature. They already have your name and address, so what they want now is your signature. Please, be careful. I know the feeling of what do you have to lose, but with all that's been going on, i don't think you want to find out what's to lose. I hope you read this before you give them your signature. May God be with you and help you to make the right decision.
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#3 Consumer Comment

Mine's different

AUTHOR: Tg - (U.S.A.)

Ok I was just checking into this before I sent it back but, when I read the others they said thier's asked for a drivers license or a passport... Mine didnt so since there is no catch I am going to send it in and then I will let you guys know what happens..... this is a great website. thank you
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