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Complaint Review: Xtreme French Bulldogs , Nancy Pier - St. Peters Missouri

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  • Xtreme French Bulldogs , Nancy Pier 977 Whispering Ridge St. Peters, Missouri U.S.A.

Xtreme French Bulldogs, Nancy Pier Beware of this breeder Xtreme French Bulldogs in St. Peters Missouri, here is my story. St. Peters Missouri

*Author of original report: YOU ARE RIGHT NANCY HAS LIED ABOUT THE BLUE SHE SAID SHE PRODUCED FROM AN ALL SHOW CHAMPION PEDIGREE

*Consumer Comment: NO WAY

*Author of original report: XTREME FRENCH BULLDOGS/NANCY PIER I KNOW THIS IS YOU NANCY PIER AND I'M GOING TO CONTACT RIP OFF TO VERIFY IT

*Author of original report: Sorry my email was taken out not allowed.

*Author of original report: Forward original emails to all who wants them

*Consumer Comment: Nancy is completely unreasonable and absolutely had no intention of resolution.

*REBUTTAL Owner of company: Donna Shannon has lied and posted false email responces.

*REBUTTAL Owner of company: This woman is a out and out liar!!!!

*Author of original report: Nancy with Xtreme French Bulldogs wants people to believe I was happy with my pup and changed my mind a week later, this is not the truth.

*Author of original report: Answers

*Author of original report: Answers

*Consumer Suggestion: I totally think they were ripped off

*Consumer Suggestion: I totally think they were ripped off

*Consumer Suggestion: I totally think they were ripped off

*Consumer Suggestion: I totally think they were ripped off

*Consumer Comment: Can you clarify a bit please?

*Author of original report: NOT ABLE TO FIX

*Consumer Comment: Thanx

*Author of original report: RESOLVED

*Author of original report: RESOLVED

*Consumer Comment: Went to the extreme website

*REBUTTAL Owner of company: Here is the true story

*Consumer Comment: Whoa there

*Consumer Comment: TO BUYER;DON'T BUY A PUPPY UNSEEN. TO BREEDER: DON'T SHIP PUPPIES TO PEOPLE WHO DON'T CARE ENOUGH TO LOOK BEFORE THEY BUY

*REBUTTAL Individual responds: Here is the true story

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I contacted this breeder first viewing on Terrificpets.com then through the breeder website. I viewed a French Bulldog puppy sitting up her hind legs on the ad & the breeders website in "Available puppies". I contacted the breeder asking about that pup via email. The breeder emailed me, that she was available and her price was $2,200.00, champion sired. My daughter also contacted the same breeder about a pup viewed in the same room name Kai a cream pie French Bulldog asking her about her availablity and medical background.

After talking with this breeder a few times and coming up with a price of $2,100.00 each pup and $400.00 to ship both pups to us, we decided to purchase them. I was inpressed that she had so many champions and felt confortable buying from her. Sending the breeder a conformation letter sending information on the Bank draft check sent and overnight mailing information. Breeder then replied with new pictures taken, 3 of my daughters pup Kai & 2 of the cream female I purchased.

The two pictures I got of my dog, the first one did not look like the second one, but the second one looked just like the pup that was sitting up on the webpage. The first picture had a white line down the forhead & bad pigmetation. I question the breeder, her email back said it was the same pup, but then a day later she sent another picture to me saying that this was the right picture. I view the picture and it looked just like the second picture sent & the pup on the website.

A week later we picked up our pups from the airport. Right away I viewed the pup was not the same pup that I picked from the pictures, but a white very bad quality French bulldog. Also Kai the pup my daughter purchased and paid $2100.00 for, had a very bad hernia. I contacted the breeder the next day about this, she said yes its the same dog. I took the 2 pups to the vet 2 days after getting them, found they both had ear infection, but that was nothing compaired to the fact my pup was suppose to be only 3 months old, my daughters pup was 3 days younger than mine. But my pup had already lost all her baby teeth and had gotten all her adult teeth most of the way in, my daughters dog still had all her baby teeth.

Its now been 1 1/2 months since we got Kai/Buffy she is now almost 5 months old and now just loosing her baby teeth. My vet said that the age of the cream pup was 5 months or older, so not the age of the pup I was suppose to get. I went back and viewed the pictures that was sent to us just after we sent the money to purchase the pups. We looked on the properties on the pictures and found the 3 pictures taken of my daughters pup was taken the day we got the pictures, but the pictures taken of my pup was taken 6 months before my pup was even born.

Very upset I contact the breeder with a email explaining my complain. The breeder agreed by email to pay to ship the pup back to her and return me my money. One week after getting my pup I sent her back to the breeder. Well, that was 1 1/2 months ago still no refund. I have contacted this breeder but she only uses very bad language and hangs up on me and when I email her she never replies.

I have now filed an complaint with BBB, getting ready to send all my emails recieved by the breeder and myself to the Attorney Generals office in Missour with an attached complaint. About 2 weeks ago my daughter had surgery on the hernia on her pup which was never disclosed to us before purchasing her, the surgery costing her $150.00. I don't know what can be done to protect others from going through what I have.

Donna
San Jacinto, California
U.S.A.

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#25 Author of original report

YOU ARE RIGHT NANCY HAS LIED ABOUT THE BLUE SHE SAID SHE PRODUCED FROM AN ALL SHOW CHAMPION PEDIGREE

AUTHOR: Donna - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Wednesday, May 06, 2009

I talked to the breeder who shows in the AKC conformation ring, & most of the dogs in Buffy's pedigree, there is over 3/4 of Buffy's pedigree from this breeder. I have asked her if I can use her email but I have not heard back from her and don't want to use it without her permission. She said she has no blues in her lines and don't want them. I have found out through her, blues are not a reconized color with AKC and cannot be shown. I did not know this and that is why she would not want this color in her lines. So again Nancy Pier/Xtreme French Bulldogs is lying about the blue french bulldog produce out of Ch. Josten's Storm of the Century has half his pedigree from her lines & Daystars Jayden by highlander has all from her lines. If Nancy has sold this blue French Bulldog as she said in her rebuttles, then this blue French Bulldog is not from Ch. Josten's Storm of the Century X Daystars Jayden By Highlander and who ever purchased her is thinking they have a blue brindle female out of a champion sire, well you don't and you need to get that pup DNA tested with AKC and get her AKC rights taken away, that is if you get the pup. Nancy has 2 litters she has for sales right now, please be careful, she is known to take your money and you get nothing or you don't get the pup you are expecting. I know, I have talked to others that she has done this to, I'm not alone.

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#24 Consumer Comment

NO WAY

AUTHOR: Devilsadvocate4education*just My Opinions* - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Wednesday, May 06, 2009

I saw the pics. There is NO WAY those pics are of the same puppy. Also, the lines are mentioned there. This makes the fact that a blue was produced from this line so much less likely to me. The blues tend to come from the imported lines or are directly imported usually. That line (kennel) tends to be familiar and well known to many Frenchie people. Hmmmm. *just my opinions*

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#23 Author of original report

XTREME FRENCH BULLDOGS/NANCY PIER I KNOW THIS IS YOU NANCY PIER AND I'M GOING TO CONTACT RIP OFF TO VERIFY IT

AUTHOR: Donna - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Saturday, May 02, 2009

NANCY FILED THIS COMPLAINT AGAINST ME, LYING SAYING RIPPED OFF FROM WYOMING BUT NO NAME. I AM HAVING RIP OFF CHECK INTO THIS.

DONNA SHANNON OF SHANNON'S ACRES LAB BREEDER. EVERYONE BEWARE OF THIS DOG BREEDER. She sold a dog that had parvo and died within days of receiving it to the new home. This poor puppy had some many health issues that the vet himself is filing a ripoff report. She has refused to refund money or respond to eamils and if she does answer the phone she has nothing but foul words to say. She has threatened family. All her dogs need to be removed from her. I have filed a report with the Better Business AND Attorney Generals office in CA.

I have also called the human society and hope all dogs are removed for their safety. spoke with several others who have gotten dogs from her and all have some sort of health issues. BEWARE DO NOT BUY FROM THIS PERSON OR HER DAUGHTER. THEY ARE IN BUSINESS TOGETHER RIPPING OFF POOR INNOCENT PEOPLE WHO WANT NOTHING BUT A LOVING PET.

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RIPPED OFF, Wyoming
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Nancy has stole my money sent me a dog that was not the same dog I purchased and now writing lies about me. I have not had parvo and have not had any complaint of selling a sick pup. Last Labrador litter I had was born in Oct 2008 and all pups went home by Christmas healthy. I had 3 litter born last year and that makes me a puppymill? I own 7 Labradors 3 males and 4 females. My daughter has one Labrador Clover she has bred 3 times and is retiring her at the age of 5. The money my daughter received for her pups helped her through college. My daughter now has her French Bulldog she purchased from Nancy Pier, Shannon is not in business with me, I let families who is purchasing pups from Shannon know that this is her dog and her litter.

Its bad enought that Nancy/Xtreme French Bulldogs has lied to me, stole my money but now she is lying about buying a sick pup from me. The worse thing is she is also attacking my daughter.

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#22 Author of original report

Sorry my email was taken out not allowed.

AUTHOR: Donna - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Thursday, April 23, 2009

I'm sorry did not realize they don't allow email to be shown. But if you go to Complaint board and see more commits and my contact information can be found.

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#21 Author of original report

Forward original emails to all who wants them

AUTHOR: Donna - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Wednesday, April 22, 2009

Please anyone who whats to see the original emails to show who is lying please contact me at (((ROR redacted))). I can forward all the original emails with the pictures attached to whom ever wants to see them. You can down load the pictures and see for yourself by looking at the properties that they were taken months before my pup I purchased from Nancy was even born which was August 12, 2008. You can see on subject where she wrote NEW PICS. And for all who read Nancy's reply, I do not have cancer, never have had it and pray I will never get it, and my friend never told her I had cancer.

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#20 Consumer Comment

Nancy is completely unreasonable and absolutely had no intention of resolution.

AUTHOR: Sherrybabie - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Wednesday, April 22, 2009

I have known the originator of this ripoff report for 38 years. I knew of the problem with Extreme Bulldogs and volunteered to be a "mediator" to hopefully get this resolved for both parties. I phoned Nancy at Extreme Bulldogs and as soon as she knew I was a friend of Donna's, she became rude and began cussing. She also kept threatening me to warn Donna that she would sue, she would ruin Donna's reputation and she would take her for everything that she had if she didn't back off. I tried to explain to Nancy that Donna just wanted what she paid for and that she is a very kind person and she feels she has been ripped off.

I tried to find out "why" she wouldn't send Donna a cream french bull dog with a champion bloodline. She never answered any of my direct questions, instead she would change the subject by going off into a completely different direction. I kept asking her to stop yelling at me, we need to come to some sort of an agreement, either send Donna what she paid for, or issue her a refund.

I can speak for Donna, she is honest and she loves her animals. They are considered part of her family and they are treated better than most children. When she received the "cream french bulldog" from Nancy, she was so upset. The pictures of the dog she thought she was going to receive looked nothing like the puppy she actually did receive. She didn't know what to do, so she contacted Nancy right away stating she wasn't happy with this dog and she wanted a refund. Donna told me that Nancy wanted to wait two weeks after she received the puppy back to make sure Donna's property didn't give the puppy parvo. Nancy assured her via email that Donna would get a full refund. I told Donna that was nonsence, but needless to say, Donna is STILL without her puppy and her money.

It is a shame that people misrepresent items to make money off of unsuspecting people. And many of these "people" are using the Internet to do so. My hope is Nancy will just do the right thing and give Donna her money back. We all work hard for our money, and this is not right.

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#19 REBUTTAL Owner of company

Donna Shannon has lied and posted false email responces.

AUTHOR: Ripped - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Wednesday, April 22, 2009

I will replace pup only and I have had DNA run though AKC proving the pup was exactly who I said she was. She has posted pictures of dogs I don't have and never have had. Clearly she is just trying to make her case stronger by posting false pictures. I have not ripped anyone off and I will not be slandered into refunding money when a contract was signed. The correct dog was sent this woman ripped me off of $1000.00 by buying two to get a cheap price and then wanting a refund on the one. I even offered for her to keep the first pup and I would still replace it if it did not turn out to be show quality. Why would I even offer that if I didn't believe in my dogs. And for the record she even had someone call me claiming to be her friend saying she had cancer and wasn't thinking clearly when she sent the pup back and even wanted the original pup back. She needs some help!!!!!

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#18 REBUTTAL Owner of company

This woman is a out and out liar!!!!

AUTHOR: Ripped - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Wednesday, April 22, 2009

Well here we go again. I do have a blue pup and the person who bought it will be more than happy to confirm this. The female has know carriers which I was unaware of since I was not breeding to produce blue. After speaking with several blue breeders then confirmed the pedigree. This woman is vicious. She has done nothing but lie and steal pictures from my web page and used them trying to slander me. This will now be settled in court and my good name will be restored. She signed a contract and simpley is trying to ruin me because she has now decided she doesn't have to abide by what she signed.

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#17 Author of original report

Nancy with Xtreme French Bulldogs wants people to believe I was happy with my pup and changed my mind a week later, this is not the truth.

AUTHOR: Donna - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Tuesday, April 21, 2009

Below is a copy pasted email I sent to Nancy (Xtreme French Bulldogs the day after getting my pup. Nancy said on her rebuttle that I was happy but you can see I was questioning her a few hours after picking her up from the airport about her being a different dog. Picked up the pup on 11/24/2008 at 11:00 PM.

In a message dated 11/25/08 01:41:19 Pacific Standard Time (Mexico), GoldRiverR writes:
Hi, got the girls was wondering if the solid cream is the same pup in the picture of the pups sitting up, in the picture her bit looks good and she has no pink around the rim of her eye, but this girl has a really protruding under bite, and pink around her eye rim, also Shannon's pup has a really bad umbilical hernia will that hurt her to have pups or is she going to need surgery? They both have wonderful personalities and very sweet, both fell asleep on Shannon going home from the airport. Thank you Donna
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Below a email from Nancy saying she would did not want me to have her pup and really wanted Buffy back, also saying if I return the dog she would refund me.


In a message dated 11/27/08 05:58:17 Pacific Standard Time (Mexico), frenchies@xtremefrenchbulldogs.com writes:
She is the same dog and her bite will be fine no one can say at this age what will be a champion and what will not. Your not happy send her back and I will refund you money. You have just decided you don't like her. I will call the airline and get her booked for return once she arrives I will send your refund.

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Another email from Nancy, when she mentions Kai, she is my daughter dog now name Buffy.


In a message dated 11/28/08 06:08:55 Pacific Standard Time (Mexico), frenchies@xtremefrenchbulldogs.com writes:
Wanted to make sure you got the flight info. Also I will be sending $300.00 enough to cover shipping. After some searching I have found you are not the "novice" you claim instead you have severeal breeds of dogs and own numerous dogs and puppies. Once she is returned on Monday I will send the balance and papers on Kai. Although I would perfer to also have Kai returned for a refund. I thought she was going to a show home and clearly that is not the case. Looking at your web site I see dogs that might have potential but none being shown only being bred. Also would like the name and number of the"frenchie handler" you had look at the girls. Any questions let me know. Thanks

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AUTHOR: Donna - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Monday, April 20, 2009

Yes, I read the contract, but she breached her contract by sending me a different pup per my attorney. She promissed me a refund in 3 seperate emails when I sent the pup back, that is what I was suppose to get. If she knew her own contract so well, then why would she promise me a refund and not just tell me you have a contract sent the pup back and I will give you a different pup? Why did she promise me a refund? Also, pictures have been sent to rip off and will be placed on this report as soon as they apply it. The picture she emailed to me of both my daughters pup & mine was sent on 11/15/2008 in the subject it said NEW PIC.. The pictures I took of the pup was taken the day after I got her November 25 2008 only one week later, she could not change that much in one week. On the properties of the pictures sent on all her pictures it shows when they were taken, my daughters pup all 3 pictures showed they were taken on November 15, 2008, the same day we got the pictures. But when you look at the two pictures sent of my pup they showed on the properties both pictures were taken on 2/6/2008 yes, February, this cannot be an accident this was a different pup than what I got. The pup I got changed from cream to white, the pigmentation around both eyes on the pup change from brown to pink, with the exception of one small brown dot on the lower eyelid, it looked like a small teardrop. The ears sat totally different & the shape was totally different the pup I was suppose to get had the traditional bat ears that fan out, this girl I got ears had no outward fan to them just straight up almost oval looking. The pigmentation on the nose and mouth was brown not black, and it was shaded different. The face was a totally different shape, all this would not change in 7 days.
Maybe I did not make it clear, I would have purchased the blue female pup if it was true, but I did not trust her. I asked her when I first got our pups in November if they carried blue, she told me no. I asked her again, when this blue female pup was produced out of same exact breeding that she had told me in November they did not carry blue, she said oh I guess its was on the sire side. Well, you cannot produce a blue from only one side, a deluted gene has to be on both sides to produce the color, you can produce carriers only. I looked into it I could not find any blue so I contacted the breeder of the Mom, a well known show breeder, she said no blue in her lines. As I said I would have purchased the blue if it was true for what she was asking, but I was not going to sent her anymore money. I just put a deposit down on a blue female due this summer & she asked for $1,000.00 deposit down. I wanted a blue, but because she has sent me a different pup I did not trust this breeder and did not want to sent her anymore money than she already has of my money. She has a deposit of 2200.00 down, I said I would bring the balance with me with I went out there to pick her up. I'm sorry but I have more to loose with my 2200.00 deposit down than she has, blues sale quickly and if I did not show up I would have lost my deposit which was the purchase of my first pup.

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AUTHOR: Donna - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Monday, April 20, 2009

Yes, I read the contract, but she breached her contract by sending me a different pup per my attorney. She promissed me a refund in 3 seperate emails when I sent the pup back, that is what I was suppose to get. If she knew her own contract so well, then why would she promise me a refund and not just tell me you have a contract sent the pup back and I will give you a different pup? Why did she promise me a refund? Also, pictures have been sent to rip off and will be placed on this report as soon as they apply it. The picture she emailed to me of both my daughters pup & mine was sent on 11/15/2008 in the subject it said NEW PIC.. The pictures I took of the pup was taken the day after I got her November 25 2008 only one week later, she could not change that much in one week. On the properties of the pictures sent on all her pictures it shows when they were taken, my daughters pup all 3 pictures showed they were taken on November 15, 2008, the same day we got the pictures. But when you look at the two pictures sent of my pup they showed on the properties both pictures were taken on 2/6/2008 yes, February, this cannot be an accident this was a different pup than what I got. The pup I got changed from cream to white, the pigmentation around both eyes on the pup change from brown to pink, with the exception of one small brown dot on the lower eyelid, it looked like a small teardrop. The ears sat totally different & the shape was totally different the pup I was suppose to get had the traditional bat ears that fan out, this girl I got ears had no outward fan to them just straight up almost oval looking. The pigmentation on the nose and mouth was brown not black, and it was shaded different. The face was a totally different shape, all this would not change in 7 days.
Maybe I did not make it clear, I would have purchased the blue female pup if it was true, but I did not trust her. I asked her when I first got our pups in November if they carried blue, she told me no. I asked her again, when this blue female pup was produced out of same exact breeding that she had told me in November they did not carry blue, she said oh I guess its was on the sire side. Well, you cannot produce a blue from only one side, a deluted gene has to be on both sides to produce the color, you can produce carriers only. I looked into it I could not find any blue so I contacted the breeder of the Mom, a well known show breeder, she said no blue in her lines. As I said I would have purchased the blue if it was true for what she was asking, but I was not going to sent her anymore money. I just put a deposit down on a blue female due this summer & she asked for $1,000.00 deposit down. I wanted a blue, but because she has sent me a different pup I did not trust this breeder and did not want to sent her anymore money than she already has of my money. She has a deposit of 2200.00 down, I said I would bring the balance with me with I went out there to pick her up. I'm sorry but I have more to loose with my 2200.00 deposit down than she has, blues sale quickly and if I did not show up I would have lost my deposit which was the purchase of my first pup.

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I totally think they were ripped off

AUTHOR: Jacob - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Sunday, April 19, 2009

its obvious that you guys got ripped off, its also obvious that the breeder in question is either a very irresponsible breeder or is operating a puppy mill. I would never pay 2000 for a puppy let alone a fully grown dog. My advice is this, Find out where her business is at exactly, the address. Protest in front of her buisness or house and hand out leaflets describing your concerns about her practices. Eventually she will get anxious to shut you up and refund your money(Maybe).

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#13 Consumer Suggestion

I totally think they were ripped off

AUTHOR: Jacob - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Sunday, April 19, 2009

its obvious that you guys got ripped off, its also obvious that the breeder in question is either a very irresponsible breeder or is operating a puppy mill. I would never pay 2000 for a puppy let alone a fully grown dog. My advice is this, Find out where her business is at exactly, the address. Protest in front of her buisness or house and hand out leaflets describing your concerns about her practices. Eventually she will get anxious to shut you up and refund your money(Maybe).

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#12 Consumer Suggestion

I totally think they were ripped off

AUTHOR: Jacob - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Sunday, April 19, 2009

its obvious that you guys got ripped off, its also obvious that the breeder in question is either a very irresponsible breeder or is operating a puppy mill. I would never pay 2000 for a puppy let alone a fully grown dog. My advice is this, Find out where her business is at exactly, the address. Protest in front of her buisness or house and hand out leaflets describing your concerns about her practices. Eventually she will get anxious to shut you up and refund your money(Maybe).

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#11 Consumer Suggestion

I totally think they were ripped off

AUTHOR: Jacob - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Sunday, April 19, 2009

its obvious that you guys got ripped off, its also obvious that the breeder in question is either a very irresponsible breeder or is operating a puppy mill. I would never pay 2000 for a puppy let alone a fully grown dog. My advice is this, Find out where her business is at exactly, the address. Protest in front of her buisness or house and hand out leaflets describing your concerns about her practices. Eventually she will get anxious to shut you up and refund your money(Maybe).

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#10 Consumer Comment

Can you clarify a bit please?

AUTHOR: Devilsadvocate4education*just My Opinions* - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Sunday, April 19, 2009

Please don't type all in caps anymore. Among other things it makes it VERY difficult to read and a lot could be missed because of that. Some of the things you say strike me as very odd and am having a hard time making sense of them since you breed and apparently have been doing so for 21 years. I'm just trying to figure out what's going on here and if I'm misunderstanding anything :-). It's actually VERY confusing.
The pictures of the pup you say you were supposed to get and a pic of the pup you got would be extremely helpful as they do change as they mature (and several of the colors are actually variations of one color/gene). I'm also sure we have all experienced the whole time/date thing with pics, videos, computers, camera's ect. so it's actually easy to see how something like that could happen even if the picture WAS of the same puppy you received. How much time had passed between the time of the picture and the time the pup arrived?
Do you refund on your pups? Did you send her the vet records and bills? If not, do YOU refund on anything or reimburse for anything even partially without full disclosure to ensure YOU'RE not being ripped off or that the claim actually ISN'T your responsibility? In most cases it is the terms the purchase was made under A.K.A. the ACTUAL contract and any offers are just that (and may come with conditions or terms or whatever and if they aren't met the offer is rescinded). The contract says replacement. Are you saying that you never read the contract which would just be odd since breeder's contracts are such a big part of things? Even if you didn't you would probably be familiar with what's standard. Replacement, not refund is standard. There is a contract posted online and as a breeder you would probably be more familiar with standard practices and clauses and what they mean and how and that they ARE upheld, even if you're not familiar with this breed specifically and what are the normal exclusions. Was your contract particularly different?
Did/do you have intentions on breeding French Bulldogs? Are you saying you would not be SUPREMELY pi**ed and EXTREMELY suspicious of anyone whom did not disclose upon first contact (from them) that they breed (at all, ANY canine), even if they were looking to purchase strictly as a pet? That IS usually the way it's done when things are on the up and up, it's expected. It is usually one of the FIRST things said or alluded to . Tends to come VERY near, hello.
The blue pup... She is probably getting TONS of inquiry's about it and asking for a deposit or payment on the remaining balance to ensure you aren't jerking her around before she holds it for you. Honestly, that really does seem pretty reasonable. Especially since it turns out you basically say you WERE just jerking her around and didn't actually have any intention of buying that puppy. I'm not sure how you came to the conclusion it wasn't possible? I think you're saying you are looking at the pedigree of your daughter's pup to come to that conclusion? Just how many generations is this pedigree? If it's the standard 3 or 4 I'm not sure how you could say that as there could be one further back, or one of the visible ones could be a different color but carry the blue or dilute genes. Pedigree's don't disclose entire gene sequences or entire lines usually. Can you elaborate on how you came to that conclusion?
So those are a few of things I have some questions on for now. Can you clarify some of this? Thanks. *just my opinions*

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NOT ABLE TO FIX

AUTHOR: Donna - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Saturday, April 18, 2009

I WANT TO CLARIFY MY COMPLAIN, DO TO SOME OF THE REACTIONS AND NANCY'S REPLIES. I PICKED OUT A PUP FROM A PICTURE ON HER WEBSITE, SHE REPLIED THAT PUP WAS AVAILABLE. AFTER SENDING MY MONEY TO PURCHASE THE PUP SHE SENT ME NEW PICTURES BUT FOUND LATER AFTER GETTING MY PUP THAT THE NEW PICTURES WERE TAKEN OF ANOTHER PUP 6 MONTHS BEFORE MY PUP WAS BORN. ATTACHED IS THE PICTURES OF THE PUP I WAS SUPPOSE TO GET AND THE ONE I GOT. NANCY TOLD ME IN AN EMAIL SHE WOULD RETURN MY MONEY IF I SENT THE DOG BACK, SHE PAID TO HAVE THE DOG SENT BACK AND I SENT IT HER BACK. AFTER SHE GOT THE DOG BACK SHE THEN SAID I WOULD HAVE TO WAIT 2 WEEKS TO GET MY REFUND TO MAKE SURE SHE DID NOT GET ANY VIRUS BUT SHE DID NOT DO THAT BUT USED VERY BAD LANGUAGE WITH ME WHEN I CONTACTED HER FOR MY REFUND. MY DAUGHTER HAD ALSO PURCHASED A PUP AT THE SAME TIME AS MINE, AT LEAST THAT WAS THE RIGHT PUPPY BUT SHE HAD A HERNIA, WE HAD THAT FIXED AND NO SHE NEVER OFFERED TO PAY FOR THAT, AS SHE STATED IN HER REBUTTLE ON THIS. IN FACT SHE SAID SHE SENT US THE AKC PAPERS ON MY DAUGHTERS PUP AND NEVER DID, LATER AFTER CALLING HER OVER AND OVER SHE FINELY EMAILED US A COPY OF THE FRONT PAGE OF MY DAUGHTERS DOG AKC PAPERS AND WE WERE ABLE TO GET THE NUMBERS OFF AND REGISTER HER ONLINE. I NEVER THOUGHT IT WAS AN OPTION TO GET A PUPPY BACK, SHE SENT ME EMAILS WHICH I KEPT & SAID THAT I HAD NEVER TOLD HER I HAD OTHER DOGS AND CALLED ME A PUPPYMILL, I HAVE 10 DOGS I AM NOT A PUPPYMILL. SHE SAID SHE DID NOT WANT ME TO EVEN HAVE ONE OF HER PUPS. SHE NEVER ASKED ME IF I HAD DOGS OR IF I WAS A BREEDER I WOULD HAVE TOLD HER, I HAVE NOTHING TO HIDE. I HAVE BEEN BREEDING WONDERFUL QUALITY LABRADORS FOR 21 YEARS. I HAVE RAVING REVIEWS ON MY PUPS, I WOULD NEVER SENT A DIFFERENT PUP AND I GET STRESSED WHEN THE COLLARS COME OFF BECAUSE LAB PUPS CAN LOOK VERY ALIKE & IT IS UN ETHICIAL WHAT SHE HAS DONE. IF THE PUP HAS A FLAW I TELL THE CUSTOMER AND WHAT SHE HAS DONE IS WRONG. I FIGURED I WAS NEVER GOING TO GET MY MONEY UNLESS I FLEW OUT TO HER STATE TAKE HER TO COURT, SO WHEN SHE REPLIED ON THIS THAT SHE WOULD HAVE GIVEN ME A PUP AND THAT SHE HAD 2 LITTERS COMING I SAID I WOULD TAKE THAT, I TOLD HER I WAS GOING TO FLY OUT TO MAKE SURE SHE GAVE ME THE PUP I WAS SUPPOSE TO GET. WELL WHEN THE LITTERS CAME, THE ONE LITTER I WAS SUPPOSE TO GET MY PUP FROM HAD ONLY ONE BLUE WHICH IS IMPOSSABLE I HAVE THE PEDIGREE, ITS THE SAME BREEDING AS MY DAUGHTER PUP. I HAVE LOOKED INTO THE BACKGROUND AND IF THERE IS BLUE IT WOULD ONLY BE ON ONE SIDE AND YOU CANNOT PRODUCE A BLUE FROM ONLY ONE SIDE ONLY A CARRIER AND THE OTHER LITTER HAD ALL BOYS. ON TOP OF THAT SHE WILL NOT POST THE PUPS ON HER WEBSITE OR HER ADS, WHICH SHE HAD DONE IN THE PAST, BUT ASK FOR INTERESTED TO CALL FOR PICTURES. BUT SHE KNOWS I'M WATCHING AND SHE DOES NOT WANT TO GIVE ME A PUP. SO TO CATCH HER IN HER LIES, I OFFERED TO BUY THE ONLY BLUE FEMALE KNOWING IT DID NOT EXSIST. BUT I WOULD HAVE TAKEN IT AND PAY THE DIFFERENCE WHEN I CAME OUT THERE TO PICK UP THE PUP. SHE TOLD ME I WOULD HAVE TO PAY ANOTHER 1000.00 DOWN BEING SHE ALREADY HAD 2100.00 OF MY MONEY FROM THE PUP I DID NOT ORDER. I WAS NOT GOING TO SEND HER ANYMORE MONEY, I TOLD HER WHEN I CAME OUT TO PICK UP THE PUP I WOULD BRING THE BALANCE IN CASH. NOPE SHE WANTED MORE MONEY FROM ME. SO NOW I HAVE CONTACTED AN ATTONEY AND THEY WROTE AND DEMAND FOR MY MONEY BACK AND ALL I GOT FROM HER AS SHE WILL SEE ME WHEN I COME OUT THERE FOR COURT. I AM GOING TO PROCEED WITH WHAT EVER I HAVE TO TO GET MY MONEY BACK AND WARN PEOPLE TO BEWARE OF THIS BREEDER.

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#8 Consumer Comment

Thanx

AUTHOR: Devilsadvocate4education*just My Opinions* - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Wednesday, January 28, 2009

Thank you for the update, always interested in how the story plays out.

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RESOLVED

AUTHOR: Donna - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Wednesday, January 28, 2009

After contacting Nancy Pier on 1/27/09 we have resolved this matter. Do to a miss communication I thought she would not replace the pup with a different pup. But after talking with Nancy Pier yesterday via emails she has informed me that she will give me a show potential female cream french bulldog, as the contract states.

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RESOLVED

AUTHOR: Donna - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Wednesday, January 28, 2009

After contacting Nancy Pier on 1/27/09 we have resolved this matter. Do to a miss communication I thought she would not replace the pup with a different pup. But after talking with Nancy Pier yesterday via emails she has informed me that she will give me a show potential female cream french bulldog, as the contract states.

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#5 Consumer Comment

Went to the extreme website

AUTHOR: Devilsadvocate4education*just My Opinions* - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Friday, January 23, 2009

I don't know why I didn't before, I usually do. There is a contract posted, a pretty good one too. Details spelled out pretty clearly, does address hernia's, does address remedy's if there is a problem. 2 years for genetic issues. Looks good to my eyes. Dogs are GORGEOUS! Actually, LOL, your chunk may SOUND like my Li, but she looks almost exactly like her daughter Raven. Down to the tail. Raven's white has some ticking though. I couldn't find a website for the OP.

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#4 REBUTTAL Owner of company

Here is the true story

AUTHOR: Xtreme - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Friday, January 23, 2009

Just for the record. I offered to pay for the hernia repair (if she truly had one) but Donna has refused to give me a copy of the vet bill. Also refused to give me copy of the vet bill over the "ear infection". Also Donna's "friend" called me this wk saying she knew there was nothing wrong with the puppy and that it was very cute but for some reason Donna just decided she didn't like the puppy and wanted her money back. She also said Donna told her that she knew the other puppy was $3200 and that she got her for $2200 because they got two pups and did buy two to get the better deal. I have 2 litters coming and as the contract states she is entitled to a replacement puppy from these litters. Clearly she doesn't want a puppy and never did she just wanted the cheaper price and used a sweet little puppy to get what she wanted to pay and now she is trying to ruin my good reputation to get what she wanted to pay $1000 less for a puppy. Who's the ripoff?

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#3 Consumer Comment

Whoa there

AUTHOR: Me - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Monday, January 12, 2009

Whoa there Joe, I frequently enjoy reading your postings on here, but dog breeding is definantly not your thing ;-). A young puppy can not be guaranteed show quality (well I guess it could, but it's not usually in writing, LOL). Show breeders frequently have older puppy's (6 to 12 months) available because something turned out to be slightly off for competing in the show ring. This is not evident until the puppy is mature. They can be sold with show POTENTIAL, and non limited rights. The puppy must have a health certificate (free of obvious disease or illness) for shipping, and must have proof of rabies vaccine if of a certain age (and I believe they were). If the OP had flown to meet the puppy beforehand, it would still have been shipped in the same way (most likely in a kennel in cargo)........ Let's not also overlook the fact that this breed is a little harder to get, and there may not have been any breeders anywhere near the OP. And on the breeder's end, if she lives in a small town or area, she may ship due to the fact that there are simply not enough people in her area looking for, and right for this breed. They are also not cheap. Okay, so I definantly noticed a few things in the OP's post. Like the stressing of the hernia, and how serious it was. This also is in a new light once it was revealed that the OP is ALSO a breeder. They are generally not an immediate health concern, sometimes so minor that they resolve on their own (becoming an 'outie'), and most people are able to wait until their pets are spayed or neutered and have the hernia repaired for a small aditional fee (if it has not closed at the time). And contrary to popular belief, is not neccesarily a hereditary condition. The mother can cause it during natural birth, and for those of us with breeds whom have c-sections (I am an obsessed Frenchie breeder as well, as a matter of fact), it can be hard to tell how hard is too hard, when that extra tug has been given, when tying off the umbilical cord and removing the placenta. However, the purchaser should have been informed of the hernia before commiting to the sale if they were not. It is also possible (though less likely) it was an inguinial hernia, and these can be a little harder to catch, and then there's the possiblilty something like that is a 'fat pad', and not a hernia. The breeder did not address that fact in her rebuttal. For another breeder to post a complaint like this is very fishy. Especially if there was a contract. Especially since she is making a big deal out of things that she would not be thrilled with if the tables were turned. I have certainly met vets who classify dirty ears as ear infections, and getting water in the ears by accident while bathing without use of a drying agent like rubbing alchohol can also cause ear infections. ALLERGIES can cause ear infections. Another breeder probably knows all this, but seems to have looked for anything she could possibly complain about to make the other seem bad. (Not that a puppy you just purchased SHOULD have ear infections or dirty ears, but it's not something people who have alot of experience would generally think twice about). The breeder states that she has taken every step to varify age, and this could be done without returning the animal. Not to mention, if the puppy is AKC, you don't mess around with their paperwork, or you no longer are an AKC breeder. Maybe she just didn't read the no refunds clause in the contract? Or is trying to get around it somehow? If the dog truly did just place in a show, that reasoning is out the window too. There is also the fact that a discount was given due to the fact that there were 2 dogs purchased (I probably wouldn't do it). Maybe the breeder would be more ameniable if it was agreed that the original price was paid for the one puppy kept? What did the contract say? If it said replacement, that's what the OP is entitled to, and I would be checking the available puppies. If I was the breeder, I would be emailing her info on available puppies, or upcoming litters. It is truly hard to say what is going here without knowing what the contract says. Just my input

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TO BUYER;DON'T BUY A PUPPY UNSEEN. TO BREEDER: DON'T SHIP PUPPIES TO PEOPLE WHO DON'T CARE ENOUGH TO LOOK BEFORE THEY BUY

AUTHOR: Joe - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Monday, January 12, 2009

I SAY A POX ON BOTH OF YOUR HOUSES.

TO THE PEOPLE WHO BOUGHT THE PUPPY. YOU SHOULD HAVE AT LEAST CARED ENOUGH TO GO AND SEE THE PUPPY BEFORE YOU BOUGHT IT. IF I AM PAYING THAT KIND OF MONEY FOR IT, YOU BETTER BELIEVE I AM GOING IN PERSON AND I KNOW WHAT I AM LOOKING FOR AND I KNOW WHAT TO ASK. I WANT TO SEE THE PARENTS, I WANT TO SEE THE PEDIGREE PAPERS, I WILL KNOW IN ADVANCE WHAT THE AKC AND SHOW STANDARDS ARE FOR THE BREED BEFORE I GO SO I WILL KNOW IF THE PUPPY IS SHOW QUALITY OR NOT AND I WILL PICK A PUPPY THAT PICKS ME! I WANT TO SEE THE VET RECORDS AND SEE WHAT SHOTS I HAVE TO HAVE GIVEN TO THE PUPPY.
IF YOU CARE ENOUGH TO SPEND THAT KIND OF MONEY ON A PUPPY YOU OUGHT TO AT LEAST GO SEE IT IN PERSON BEFORE YOU PAY ALL OF THIS EXPENSE TO SHIP, ETC. YOU WOULDN'T TREAT A HUMAN BABY LIKE THIS SO WHY WOULD YOU TREAT A BABY DOG LIKE THIS????

I DON'T THINK YOU PEOPLE WOULD KNOW WHAT SHOW QUALITY FROM JUNK YARD DOG. SO YOU GOT WHAT YOU DESERVED.

TO THE BREEDER; DON'T YOU ARE TO WHOM YOU SELL YOUR DOGS? DO YOU MAKE SURE THEY HAVE THEIR PARVO,CORONA, RABIES AND OTHER VACCINATIONS AND HAVE YOU WORMED THEM AND WHAT ABOUT THEIR DEW CLAWS? ARE YOU INBREEDING YOUR DOGS? YOU ARE GOING TO JUST SHIP THEM ANYWHERE AND NOT SCREENING THE PROSPECTIVE OWNERS TO SEE IF THEY CAN PROVIDE A NICE, LOVING HOME FOR YOUR PUPPY AND WHETHER OR NOT IT IS JUST A FAD AND THEY WILL DEMAND THEIR MONEY BACK AND TRY TO SEND YOU THE PUPPY BACK? DOES IT BOTHER YOU THAT THE PUPPY MAY BE AFRAID, SICK AND STRESSED WHEN IT IS PACKAGED UP LIKE INANIMATE MERCHANDISE --THIS IS A LIVING, BREATHING CREATURE WITH A SOUL THAT HAS EMOTIONS AND THOUGHTS --- AND IS SHIPPED IN A CRAMPED CRATE AND WHO KNOWS HOW IT IS TREATED/

IF A BUYER DOESN'T GIVE A d**n ABOUT THE PUPPY ENOUGH TO COME AND PICK IT OUT AND INSPECT IT AND APPEAR TO KNOW EXACTLY WHAT THEY ARE BUYING THEN YOU SHOULDN'T BE SELLING DOGS! SELL FRUITS AND NUTS, SELL COMPUTER PARTS, SELL ANYTHING BUT DON'T SELL LIVING CREATURES LIKE PUPPIES WHOSE ONLY CRIME IS TO LOVE US!

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#1 REBUTTAL Individual responds

Here is the true story

AUTHOR: Xtreme - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Monday, January 12, 2009

This lady contacted me for a show quality female. SHE chose this pup and it was sent to her along with another female her daughter bought. When the puppies arrived they were thrilled and sent picture. After a wk she decided she did not like the female she bought and complainted about health problems (which there were none) and decided she wasn't show quality and wanted her money back. She signed a contact that clearly states no refunds only replacements if my vet confirms the health problems. I paid for the dog to be shipped back and took her to my vet. There was nothing wrong with this beauiful puppy what so ever. She was in excellent health. Also as french bulldogs are born by c-section my vet has the dates of the birth to confirm and I also had DNA done on this puppy to also confirm. I took this same puppy who this lady claims isn't show quality to her first puppy match sunday and she went Best In Show!!! This lady clearly pulled a scam so they could pay less for the puppy that her daughter wanted which was $3200 not $2200.00. She is entitled to a replacement only. I did not use bad words with her. Her and her daughter called me 18 times in a row cussing me and screaming nonstop. She clearly has mental issues and I have now turned this matter over to my lawyer to tile haressment, slander and fraud charges againts her. I will be happy to keep this site updated with current information concerning this lady and Please beware as she sells labadores under the name of "GOLD RIVER RETRIEVERS".

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