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Report: Kirby Vacuum Distributor #7418 - J & R Enterprises - John Boor - Nichole Price - Robert Jenkins

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Kirby Vacuum Distributor #7418 - J & R Enterprises - John Boor - Nichole Price - Robert Jenkins, Offer of Employment a Scam to Get Free Sales Leads and Free Labor Akron Ohio

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Kirby Vacuum Distributor #7418 - J & R Enterprises - John Boor - Nichole Price - Robert Jenkins

2270 Romig Road Suite L
Akron Ohio 44203
U.S.A.
Phone:  330-703-1105
Web Address:  

Category: Sales People


Submitted: Saturday, January 24, 2009

Last posting: Thursday, October 29, 2009
My son is 19 years old and was recently layed off from a local manufacturing plant. He has been feverishly looking for a job for the last 3 weeks so we can pay rent and not end up homeless. What follows is the story of how he was "tricked" into working for a Kirby distributor for no pay. Thanks alot to all the folks who posted on ripoffreport.com or, (judging by the comments I read), it could have been much worse.

My son and 2 of his friends responded to the following advertisement in a reputable local newspaper (Akron Beacon Journal):

"International firm expanding into Akron. Looking for self motivated, high energy people. No experience necessary. Weekly guarantee of $525.00 minimum plus bonuses and vacations. Call for interview."

After calling the number, all 3 of them were asked to come in for interviews the same day and during the interviews were guaranteed by the office manager that they would be paid $2150 a month to demonstrate (NOT SELL)Kirby vacuum cleaners. They were required to report for training the following day. The second day of training my son came home with a blank sales lead sheet and said that if he could do 10 vacuum demonstrations over the upcoming weekend to family/friends and get them all listed on the lead sheet before the last day of training, then he would be paid a $100 bonus on the Monday following the demonstrations.

When he returned on the final day of training, they collected and copied the full sales lead sheets and then informed him that he would not receive the $100 bonus on the date promised but would have to wait an additional week to get it. They also informed him that the time he spent in training was unpaid time as well. He was told that the demonstrations he performed over the weekend were for training purposes only, but after the first demonstration the office manager tried to high pressure the homeowner into buying the vacuum, therefore they were indeed sales leads and not simply for training (they were also personal friends of ours like everyone else on the lead sheet).

During the last day of training the office manager had them sign a contract entitled "Kirby Independent Dealer Agreement". None of them really understood the contract but they signed anyway along with 3 other documents which included all the information about the pay/bonuses they were to receive. They received a copy of the contract but when they asked for copies of the other documents they were told that the copier was broken. I contacted the office manager directly asking for copies of everything my son had signed but she said it would take time to get the copies because they didn't have a copying machine (Does this sound like an international company expanding... they can't afford a copier?) The Dealer agreement contract specifically states that my son was NOT an employee of the distributor and that he had no authority to bind the distributor in any manner or for any purpose. HEY FOLKS THIS MEANS THEY ARE REQUIRED TO PAY YOU NOTHING!!

I started doing some investigating on Kirby when I found ripoffreport.com and over 200 complaints detailing fraudulent hiring/sales practices perpetuated by Kirby distributors and "employees" that were scammed into working long hours for free. He and his friends then quit immediately. The morale of the story is as follows:
(1) Trust no one, question everything
(2) Never sign anything you don't understand
(3) Never sign anything unless you get a copy
(4) If it's too good to be true, it's NOT
(5) Kirby is a disreputable company, don't do business with them...This never happened to us at Sears

It's really sad that in this screwed up ecomony there are actually vultures out there preying on the hopes and dreams of young men that want no more than a job and a decent days pay. I contacted the Akron detective bureau and was told that they had been operating similar scams in this area for years and the reason they don't get called on it is because most out of work people don't have the money to hire an attorney and sue them in civil court. PLEASE DON"T BUY A KIRBY.

Juli ****
Barberton, Ohio



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In the same situation.

Former Employee - Kearney (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Sunday, January 25, 2009
My girlfriend went through almost exactly what you described, although it happened with a company in Nebraska called S-5 Promotions. We recently found out she was pregnant, and she wanted to make some extra money to buy some things before the baby gets here. They hired her as a "demonstrator" for about 15 hours a week and told here that she would get paid $400 a week regardless of whether any vacuums were sold or not. I hadn't heard of this particular scam, and I thought it sounded like a lot of pay for not much work. I figured there was a catch, but didn't think that they would completely avoid paying her.

So, I agreed that she should try it. She went through three days of unpaid training which fit in with the hours she described, but they were elusive when she asked about whether training was paid or not. Then her first week started. She ended up having to canvass for them, which involved long (12+ hour) days, out in the cold. I was getting a little irritated that they did this to my pregnant girlfriend, but when she asked about it, they told her that it was just for a week, and that next week she would be doing demos only. They also repeatedly told her that Saturday was payday. So Friday night rolls around and me being home alone and bored I got on the internet and then found ripoffreport.com and got wise to the situation she was in. She called on Saturday morning after working about 70 hours that week and they told her that she wouldn't be paid because she didn't get enough demos that week, even though she was told that it didn't matter because she wasn't technically supposed to be canvassing.

I, being more confrontational than her, was willing to go to their office and make a scene about things, but she didn't want me to go down that road. It is probably a good thing because I would have lost my temper with them. So that is basically where my story ends. I was strongly considering filing a lien on one of their vehicles for the $400, but the way the lien law in Nebraska is worded it would have been shady at best and I don't want to mess up my business by doing something like that.

If you and your son were willing to try to do something, you should start by going to the office and demanding that they provide copies of all signed documents and have them put into writing specifically why he was not paid. If they don't provide this, don't be afraid to contact the police on-the-spot to have them mediate for you. Chances are that they will cut your son a check to avoid the trouble you are causing for them.

It also might not hurt to look into the lien law in Ohio, and possibly small claims court. Just because he signed the document, doesn't give them impunity to do whatever they want.

There are probably documents that would support a legal case against them because they are knowingly misclassifying people as Independent Contractors.

The way these companies work almost certainly establishes an employee/employer relationship. I would love to pursue this with the company that did this to us here in Nebraska, but I can't really do anything about this without her consent. I can imagine that these people have screwed a lot of people and I am just thankful that we don't rely on her having an income.

If you do decide to go after them, please let me know how it turns out.
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To the poster above me . . .

House Of The World - Baltimore (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Tuesday, May 05, 2009
. . . perhaps if you got a well-paying job (which would, of course, require you to be educated), married your knocked-up girlfriend instead of simply shacking up with her like an unpaid whore, then maybe she wouldn't have to be out in the cold trying to sell vacuum cleaners to meth addicts. I mean, that's what men do. They marry their women, legitimize their children and provide for them. But maybe they do it differently in Hillbilly World.
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not accurate

John - Barberton (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Thursday, July 02, 2009
She mentions you don't have these problems at Sears but Sears has 911 complaints on this web site and Kirby 322.

Unfortunately, like other companies, you have to show up for work before you get paid. Everything about how he was to be paid was in writing. It is all we could do.

Unfortunately she is making comments without factual knowledge. Fortunately for me I didn't read such a report before I started with the company. There are many many people who have been very successful in Kirby. Unfortunately you have to work.
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Get bent.

Fry - Chadwicks (USA)

POSTED: Saturday, October 17, 2009

". . perhaps if you got a well-paying job (which would, of course, require you to be educated), married your knocked-up girlfriend instead of simply shacking up with her like an unpaid whore, then maybe she wouldn't have to be out in the cold trying to sell vacuum cleaners to meth addicts. I mean, that's what men do. They marry their women, legitimize their children and provide for them. But maybe they do it differently in Hillbilly World."


 


Yeah, "John", that was real witty. Dont try to talk like a tough guy. No one is impressed. Do me and the rest of us who aren't complete morons a favor, and go get bent. You seem to know a lot about " Hillbilly World." Sounds to me like you are speaking from experience.


 


Idiot. 


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There's $$$ In Kirby

Mr.business - Charlotte (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Monday, October 19, 2009
My name is Jay and I worked for Kirby out of Lansing Michigan and had much success. When I started my training it was on a Wed and by Thurs had to get names of friends and family to turn in by Friday. They do this so they know that your serious about wanting this position before sending a $2000.00 piece of equipment home with you for the weekend. Over the weekend I had to demonstrate to the friends and family that I had on my lead sheet. During the time of signing the paper work you have to be  understanding of working as an independent contractor. You sign papers stating that you are completely responsible for the equipment that they are releasing to you and that your not an actual employee of kirby but an independent distributor working out of their office. I have been doing alot of marketing and sales positions since moving to the Eaton County Michigan area and all of them pretty much opperate like this. These positions do require you to think outside of the box and venture beyond the comfort zone of a regular 40 hour a week job. Its not easy work and I was leaving home at 8 am and getting home by 10 pm at the latest running 3 to 4 demos a day. Running this many demos a day required me to go out and knock doors in between appointments and collect 10 to 20 leads a day. I worked 6 days a week and was rewarded greatly and lived like a king on Sundays. I received a gold key chain for my third sale by my 2nd week and sold 5 all together making $350 to $440 per sale. But even though I was successful with this, it started putting a strain on my family and ended up moving on to another position that didn't require so many hours. Kirby is an honest and successful business. For anyone who owns a Kirby I know they would never switch back to another home cleaning system due to owning the most superior product on the market today. I bought one myself and it out performs anything I have ever owned. GO KIRBY WE'RE THE BEST YEAH BETTER THAN ALL THE REST ! 
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Wow.

Fry - Chadwicks (USA)

POSTED: Saturday, October 24, 2009

Yeah "Jay". Sounds like you were brainwashed too. How much extra did your lying sack of crap boss pay you to post that? Scamminh employees out of their pay is wrong, not to mention illegal.


 


The kirby is a piece of junk. The only reason why people buy them is because people like YOU lie to get them to buy it. Find a real job. Idiot.


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mmm - Ellington (USA)

POSTED: Thursday, October 29, 2009
I took a couple days of training and decided not to pursue working for the distributor.

I have some tax and business experience and have discovered that their contract withe the dealers is illegal. Both at the state and federal level there is a legal defintion of an employee and an independent contractor. The contract that dealers sign with the distributor is so restrictive that under the law the dealers are defined as employees.

That means that the distributor must withhold federal and state income tax (if your state has income tax. The distributor must also pay their share of medicare and social security tax and federal state unemployment tax.

You should file a complaint with your state department of labor and department of revenue.

If you are classified as an employee the company owes you the minimum wage for the hours you worked or at least 40 hours a week.

If you have filed a tax return as independent contractor you should go the website www.IRS.gov and download form SS-8, fill it in and send it to the IRS.
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