onyx wholesale, chris westphal scentura, riegn international, sensation wholesale and possibly infinity wholesale. modern day slave labor, lies, scam, overblown promises, fraud, etc. Waste of time. Arvada, Colorado

In addition to my above post, it is very important to pick out the aspects of a legitimate business when looking for a job.

A legitimate business DOES NOT:

1. Have music blaring over the phone/in their office. Such a methodology is as un-professional as it gets.

2. Perform multiple interviews simultaneously. No one, and I mean NO ONE, operates in such a fashion.

3. Have a receptionist out front who grills you with personal questions while you are waiting. What business is it of hers?

4. Take your scocial sercurity number before filling out an application, and then doesn't even take an application.

5. Hire for key positions at high salary with 'no experience required'. Try to imagine a medical group advertising for a dentist with 'no experience required'. 

6. Maintain an office decorated similar to your beer-drinking pals' basement.

7. 'Hires' 40 to 80 people per week, every week, no matter what the position.

8. Refuse to disclose the name of their parent company.

9. Belittle their employees with out-right vulgarities in front of others.

10. Demand you become estranged from family and friends as a condition of continued employment.

11. Continually change their operating company name every few months.

I have also included a post I authored under a different thread directly regarding Scentura:

To keep it simple, if one has to sit through a three hour presentation with no clear idea they will be selling door-to-door, then the operation is misleading and unethical.

An inferiour and over-priced product doesn't help much either. A few years ago, I was approached by two young women selling this junk outside the local library. Upon asking, I told them I liked Jovan Musk. 'Ohhhh!' one woman squealed, 'I have just the subsitute!' She produced a smarmy, over-sweet smelling concoction that I'm not even sure was for men. Anyway, she wanted $28 dollars for it, which on it's own was outrageous. I pay $18 dollars for the real thing and in a bigger bottle (yes, I understand the concentration difference between perfume vs. colonge, but it doesn't matter: Hers' smelled like SHIT). And the box the real thing comes in doesn't look like it's been handled by a multitude of hands for an entire year, or have the word, 'tester' written on the side.

I've have recieved quite an eye-full of Scentura and it's scripted operations over time. The most die-hard wanna-bees in these companies have the least ability to think for themselves. All the responces and even vulgar insults that they sling have all been carefully crafted before hand to deal with detractors of all types.

The most pertinate information I've found has come from wildely successful Scentura operators who eventually left the business, and all for the same reason: they all developed moral complications over the long haul by being, and dealing with, the unethical ---regardless of how much money they made.

In a nutshell, 95% of all people 'hired' for the job won't make a dime, and if you have your own 'office', you won't make a dime telling the truth.

The lie spins the lie which spins the lie.

What also catches my attention is the almost cult-like dimensions Scentura mets out to its' players. If you have ever studied the everyday workings of the Church of Scientology from a distance, or been involved with it and defected, then you are aware of the absolutely glaring similarities between the two. The most striking being the enourmous amounts of work performed by the lowly, for little or no pay, and the encouraged estrangements to distance ones' self from family and friends because they 'don't understand'.

In Scientology, if you complain, you are labled a 'suppressive person'. Working for Scentura, you can be branded a 'worthless piece of shit'. Imagine your own sister or mother comming home in tears after being told such things. What conclusions would you draw (and what would you be tempted to do about it)?    

If you are smart, hardworking and passionate, you defintely have a shot for this 'opportunity'. If you are all of those things and possess a sense of ethics and honesty, you have NO chance.

On the other hand, if you are just the right socio-path for the job, the higher you rise, the more isolated you will become. Your 'new family' will only love you as long as the money continues to flow upward and the bottles down. Befoul that holy pipeline, and it will be curtains for you, friend. No one will care. You will be shunned and ignored.

One last note: I, too, was inticed into the impossible promises and rediculous claims for a bit after being 'interviewed' and 'hired' by Chis Westphal. Towards the end of the presentation, Chris informed us that we had to be absolutely honest about our criminal background check information.

'If you can't be honest with me', he said grimly with his arms crossed, 'then I want nothing to do with you.'

What a coincidence, Chris. I couldn't agree more.  

 

 

 

 

 

 

     

Surely someone can find the home address for Chris & Iris? I recommend doing a mass mailing to his neighbors letting them know the great business Chris is involved in. Maybe someone can get Chris featured in the local business news.

Come on Chris, you're not embarrassed are you????

I love how people make outlandish comments and insult those of us who've made it.  I shouldn't talk though I do call them blow outs.  But you'd think a product that's been around over 20 years must be alright.  And direct sales has been around forever.  And Scentura itself is just the distributor.  But if none of the bussiness works then how did chris get there?  How did I get here?  And oh yeah there has been over 900 offices open world wide that distribute the product.  So that's probably somewhere in the name of 1,500 managers.  And then you add in the distributors and the blow-outs and over the last 20 years the company has had probably 200,000 people work in and around the bussiness.  So out of that we have some people like these unemployed folks who never even got started with the company.  I've been in the bussiness for over 6 years now.  I'm not rich and famous but I live in a nice house have the money to do ALL the things I like to do.  Travel a little.  And take care of my family.  So it's been 10 times what I was offered in my Interview.  Chris you've been doing well for a long time, keep it up.  JFBD

Oh, for Gods' sake Papa, go somewhere and eat a dick already. You aren't making any real money and you know it. You're a fucking clown in a cheap suit and not much else. I would suggest you move to Arvada and get all funky and squishey with your buddy Chris. I understand Iris will do just about anything for a little coke, too. I WILL run this thread until you assholes are out of my town. And yes, it's my town. I was born here, worked here, burried relatives here, you fucking name it. And you and your kind aren't welcome here. Time to move, jerkoff.

I'm sorry Rio.  Do you need a hug?  Did your daddy not love you?  I love these threads, because any semi-intelligent person that reads them knows both sides.  There will always be internet terrorist like yourself.  And if it's your home town congrats, I wish you luck finding a new job though.  But the bottom line is your best comebacks are bashing and calling owners names.  That's impressive to a ape I suppose.  I'm closing in on a agreement for a office this week to a man who when he got started in the business read these posts after his orientation.  He came in and we talked about them and he thought all you internet terrorist were idiots.  And I'll bet he makes more in 2010 then you've made in the last 3 years. 

So the same story holds true, some will some won't but anyone looking for a opportunity at a above average income and lifestyle that is willing to put in a quality 90 days of training can become successfull here.  The smart applicants that do their "research" read both sides and make their choice.  Some people choose to live check to check just getting buy and others don't.  Some people work in fast food, gas station, warehouse, and dead end jobs because they are afraid to take a chance.  And then there are those of us who prefer to get what we are worth.  Which is what you put in is what you get out. 

So don't be so angry Rio.  Direct sales has been around forever and its not going away.  Perfume has been around longer than that so its not going away.  And there will always be people looking for more so we won't go away.  Sorry buddy. 

Good luck and best wishes

You didn't hear me the first time. You aren't welcome here. You all ARE going to leave and I will live to see it happen. You are all liars, clowns, and coke heads. You are a fuck head, Papa. An American class fuck-head. Did your Mama raise you to be this kind of fuck-head?

My name IS RIO. And my town is named ARVADA.

You are not welcome here. Get OUT!

Christ, what a bunch of idiots.

Rio Rio my friend you sound like the biggest idiot when you post.  But here is a copy and paste to save my time. 

Anyone who knows anything about direct sales knows the truth.  And in your opinion my business is a scam.  In my opinion it's the greatest opportunity around.  Is Mary Kay a scam?  Is AVON a scam?  Is Amway a scam?  Is Priamerica a scam?  They are all large commercial direct sales companies.  But our opportunity is better then there’s because there is no investment, no fee's, and no one ever has to buy anything. 

 

However Rio Rio Rio.  You my friend are worse then the terrorist that pile on.  You are a uneducated worthless member of our society.  You my friend give America a bad name.  Your grammar is terrible, and i'm just a H.S. graduate so mine is bad, but you can't complete a proper sentence.  You know nothing of what you speak of.  You never have facts backing anything you say.  You just spill diarrhea out of your mouth or in this case fingers.  You will always live in prosperity and breed and prosperity and unless you reproduce a human that wants change you'll always give your family a bad name.  I feel bad just telling you who you are.  I will pray for you. 

 

So on goes:  Some will  Some won't  So what

Good luck and best wishes. 

You think you're actually going to get me with simpering put downs like 'I will pray for you' and 'good luck and best wishes'?

Try again, ass-nut.

The ONLY reason you keep posting is to defend an unethical operation to keep the new blood flowing through a squalid system. More suckers, more blood, more money.

If you were making the kind of bank you like to brag about, you wouldn't talk about it. But, man, motherfucker do you talk. And talk, and talk.

All your pre-scripted taunts and bull-baiting won't work. It's what they TOLD you to say! You think I don't know this? I've seen the training manuals, fool!

In ONE YEAR or less, you will no longer be around. Somehow Scentura will fuck you over like it does everybody.

Mark the calender, big shot.

  

 

I don't try to "get you" Rio.  I argue facts vs. opinions.  But my bashing you personally is a reflection of yourself.  And I say best wishes because I mean it, and I really did pray for you that evening.  I even told my girlfriend that I felt a little bad for telling you who you are.  But you just back in up again and again.  Read your post sir.  They are aimless just blah blah blah blah all full of crap!!

Now you are correct I post to defend my business.  I believe in it, I believe in my product, I believe in my self, and I believe in the people in this business.  And you're right that it produces a lot of money!!  A lot for myself and a lot for anyone who does this correctly.  Whether that be in training or running a office. 

I don't brag about the money I make, quote me in one post where I said I made a certain amount.  I said I live comfortable and am debt free, which is true. But I don't consider my self "successful" yet my household income is less then $250,000 a year and that to me is "successful" in this business!!  Come and talk to my in 5 years though.  And you're are right I do talk talk and talk some more.  I could go on with no end. 

You say I'm pre scripted.  But not from whoever you assume "they" is.  I'm pre scripted from Napoleon Hill, Rhonda Byrne, Jack Canfield, Rick Warren, Zig Ziglar, Ken Blanchard, Dr. Norman Vincent Peale, first and foremost God, and whole lot of others.  You say you've seen the "manuals", whos I don't have one. 

And then you tell me to mark my calendar I will I promise, Jan 15th, but I tell you to do the same.  And if you want to compare the things that the two of us accomplish in 2010 I'll be more than happy!  That would be interesting if all things are equal and honest.  That'd never happen though because you lie through teeth, eyes, skin, and your soul.  But I also challenge any person who reads these post to do the same thing once you read it.  And whatever you make your decisions on whether to do or not to do the business or believe or not believe in the business.  See where you end up in a year.  I've been here 6 and I'll be here another 25-30 unless I opt for early retirement. 

But all this back and forth neglects the initial BS post here.  Here is a guy who comes in for a 2nd interview and blasts away with a ton of BS.  I've met Chris 3 times and every time he was very professional, very excited!!, and he's done really well since he's been here.  I'd say better then myself.  This unemployable idiot makes claims that Chris has never opened up "stores" anywhere, first of all they aren't stores, next he's promoted a handful of offices.  I may be wrong but I believe at one point he was the top " up and coming" regional in the company.  And then he gets pissed off and rants about the enthusiasm the people have, I'm sure he's a happy fellow.  And makes comments about being "hopped up on coke" I've never seen any successful office that accepts any drug use by it's staff Never.  And chris has been successful in this business.  And then something about a "soul-sister" is that some kind of racist comment?  What a ass!  Any intelligent person should be able to see the gaping holes in this post.  But these are the people that complain, uneducated, unemployable, in this case racist idiots!! 

On goes the battle,  Some will Some won't So what

Good luck and Best wishes

 

Papa, I didn't even get past the first five lines of your post. You claim to carry some alagory of Christian ideals, AND you're a Craptura distributor? HA HA HA! As if those two things could ever fit in the same box along with the shitty perfume.

Who's zommin' who here?

All that saintly jibberish after you tell me I can't spell, can't put a sentence together and then threaten to sue for SLANDER. Oooooooooo.

Eat sh*t and die, clown. You aren't fooling anybody ('cept yerzelf maybeez).

Craptura is a horsesh*t company with horsesh*t ideals and loaded with horsesh*t, coked-up, nasty people with naked ambitions and absolute greed. But not you, you 'really did' pray for me. Why don't you try to sell me the Brooklyn bridge?

And what happened to your 'slander' case anyway? Did you decide to drop it after the police laughed at you?

"Nationwide media coverage on the company has tended to be overwhelmingly negative."

-Wikipedia on Scentura Creations.

Care to prove them wrong, Papa Maroon?^[

Man your ugly!!  That's my first cheap shot.

Here I go again buddy:  Yes I do consider myself a christian.  I have strong believe in christian values although I still am human.  And to be human is to sin.  And then we get into a religious conversation so I'll spare you the humility of showing your ignorance. 

If you look into the root of our business and had a opportunity to meet all the managers in our business you'd find some sort of basic "christian values"  All of the motivational meetings we do and most of the info we have has come way before us.  And we didn't invent it.  I've posted before about where we pull a lot of inspiration from; Rick Warren, Napoleon Hill, Rhonda Byrn, Zig Ziglar, and so forth;  so that makes all those people " horsesh*t people with horsesh*t values, nasty, with naked ambitions and absolute greed" as you state.  Poor Rio you really need a break.  Tomorrow is Sunday I advise you take a day of sabbath!!

And I never said I have a slander case, I said someone can make a slander case.  I have had people arrested though.  And one guy spent two days in jail for making some sort of scene at my office!  And anyone can make a slander case, right now there is a huge case that's getting national coverage about Mike Leach.  Now I don't think anyone could sue you for millions of dollars but I do believe there is up to $15,000 anyone could collect from suing you.  I have no need to chase you or others on here because over all this has little effect on my business.  But if someone wanted to it'd be fun to hear about!  I am not a expert of any of this but it's the facts. 

And as far as you saying " coverage on the company has tended to be overwhelmingly negative." here is a little info for you:

Google Avon Scam  321,0000 reports  Amway Scam 913,000 reports  Primerica Scam  114,000 reports  Mary Kay Scam  111,000 reports  Scentura Scam  119,000 reports

Direct sales has always got blasted by lazy, negative, un-employable, pessimistic idiots like yourself!  But that doesn't make it bad.  It works for millions of people every day and every week and every year in the U.S.   You live in the U.S. and every day you are doing one of two things, you're buying shit or selling shit and we happen to be on the selling side of the equation.  And we make a ass load of money doing it!  We happen to be in a business that will never go out of style.  And we happen to carry a product that will never go out of style.  We will be around forever!! 

So sorry if I don't come back and forth with your uneducated rants and filthy remarks about my self and other managers but I still will pray for you.  However I will argue the facts and opinions all day. 

Good Luck and Best Wishes

"Here I go again buddy:  Yes I do consider myself a christian.  I have strong believe in christian values although I still am human.  And to be human is to sin.  And then we get into a religious conversation so I'll spare you the humility of showing your ignorance."

Oh, so it's OK to call anybody a 'worthless piece of s**t"? Jesus must be so proud! 

If you look into the root of our business and had a opportunity to meet all the managers in our business you'd find some sort of basic "christian values".

I seriously doubt it. Keep telling yourself that. 

And I never said I have a slander case, I said someone can make a slander case.

Yeah? AGAINST WHO? 

And as far as you saying " coverage on the company has tended to be overwhelmingly negative."

Uh, I didn't say it... Wikipedia did? Hello?

Direct sales has always got blasted by lazy, negative, un-employable, pessimistic idiots like yourself!  But that doesn't make it bad.  It works for millions of people every day and every week and every year in the U.S.   You live in the U.S. and every day you are doing one of two things, you're buying shit or selling shit and we happen to be on the selling side of the equation.  And we make a ass load of money doing it!  We happen to be in a business that will never go out of style.  And we happen to carry a product that will never go out of style.  We will be around forever!! 

How was your take on the FFAR money this weekend before everybody blew out? Got the next batch of kiddies all lined up for next weeK?

Not praying for you. No best wishes. Hope you are out of business soon. 

I've met Chris and Iris a few times, and I see a picture of you... ummm I'm not sure if you've seen yourself in the mirror? But you look like the coked up one... Just saying.

Keep on keepin on!! Haters jobs are to hate, so I guess thats what you've got to do. I'm pretty sure Chris and Iris contribute a lot more to the economy than you do. Mr. Rio doubt you pay $18,000 a year to just taxes.  Just saying again.

Good luck Rio.

Oh, once again. You lie like a dog.

(Just for anybody who doesn't understand, "Steve" is Chris Westphal from Onyx Wholesale a.k.a. Scentura Creations)

I told you I would stir up as much trouble for you that I could, and it is working. And on it goes. Did you like how you looked on 9News here in Denver? Here's the link to the story in case anybody wants to watch: 

http://www.9news.com/video/default.aspx?bctid=86732794001#/News/Onyx+Wholesale/49906872001/50183015001/86732794001

I told you I would find a way to get you out of my town, and it's about to happen.

Time to go back to Riverside, "Steve", or has not enough time passed for you to start ripping those people off again?

What a jerk. And take those stones out of your ears, a**hole. You look like a clown.

 

 

 

Chris Westphal, you are an absolute loser, plain and simple. 

You take advantage of good people trying to make a REAL living. Peddling perfume in a parking lot to take home $2.00 a bottle is in no way a means to make a living. All you are doing is kicking back watching people struggling to make ends meet for their family while you make a profit of them. Its absolutely sick and disgusting. And to think that I actually tried to make it work there... but its okay Chris, I forgive you. I'm the one laughing now! You're sitting in that crappy ass old office, probably still got the gnarly blue walls and everything. You driving that POS Nissan still? You know, the one you paid cash for? Really gone far since I quit 5 years ago haven't you? Those new offices are really taking off I see. Real bigshot now aren't you? Oh wait... I do recall seeing you on the news recently!! That must have been exciting for you, having all that BS you spew forth broadcast to Denver and beyond! Thank God someone had the sense to record that. It really is quite a good show you put on.

Chances are, you'll keep at it...screwing people over one city at a time. To each their own I suppose. At least I have the satisfaction of knowing that you lead a miserable existence of a life. You have to look at yourself in the mirror each day knowing that you are nothing more than a worthless piece of trash. Way to make great use of a lifetime Chris.

That's all I have to say. You can read everyone else's story to know what happened with me at Onyx. Hopefully someone can bring these bastards down!

Chris Westphal is a Inspiration.  For many people like my self with piercings and tattoo's that you can be successful.  He's made a living out of hard work and giving the same opportunity to others that was given to him. 

I've almost quit posting on this website because it's almost become a non factor over the last 6 months.  People are becoming more educated.  And anyone that reads these threads knows that %95 of the crap on here is from people that didn't make it 3 full days in this business. 

But I thought it'd be nice for Chris to know I'm still inspired even though we are 800 miles apart.  I've seen him in the bulletin since I was in training and he's still rockin it.  And also to remind Rio that Jan. 15th is less then six months away.  And so far this year I've promoted 3 new offices.  How's the $10/hr job world treating you?

Best Wishes and Good Luck

Here's to Chris: Liar. Con Man. Tax Cheat.

We should all be so beholden to this 'man'. He has lied to thousands, stolen their time and energy, mislead the young and niave, and whos' latest accomplishment is being featured on 9News here in Denver for being the criminal that he is.

Chris Westphal is a liar and a scumbag.

Do you know what the difference is between a $cientologist and a $centura distributer?

$centura distributers smell worse.

Click the link below to see scumbag Chris Westphal in action!

http://www.9news.com/video/default.aspx?bctid=86732794001#/News/Onyx+Wholesale/49906872001/50183015001/86732794001