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  • Submitted: Thursday, July 26, 2007
  • Last Posting: Wednesday, December 22, 2010
  • Reported By: — Lackawanna New York
APX Alarm, Security Solutions
5132 North 300 West Provo Utah 84604 U.S.A.

APX Alarm, Security Solutions door to door scam artists use lies to con you into signing a rediculous contract West Provo Utah

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At approximately 6:30 pm on the night of June 23, 2007 I heard a knock on my door. I answered and was greeted by what i thought was a very nice woman by the name of Amy Ron. She proceeded to tell me that she was working for a company called APX Alarm, security solutions and she had received a license to solicit in the town of Lackawanna, and that the police were aware that she was in the area. She said that they were targeting areas that were not necessarily high crime areas, but areas where crime was trending up.

She then asked me if I had a home security system, and went on to describe the promotion that APX was running. The promotion was one in which she would be giving away home security systems to select home owners in the area, specifically one my street (Fernald Ave.) and the street parallel to mine (Greenwood Ave.). She said that she had just given away a system to a family on Greenwood Ave. In exchange for this system I would be obligated to place an APX sign in the front yard of my house for 60 months. She stated that this was to get the word out about their company, and that accentually I would be advertising in exchange for a free system and instillation.

I let her in the house and she preceded talk about the details of the security system. She described to me the benefits and details of the system, and the details of the contract. I was again told that this was a promotion, the system was free, and instillation was free and that my only obligation was to put their company sign in my front yard and keep it there for 60 months. At this point she informed me of a special $44.99 monthly fee (5 dollars less than the normal fee) for select customers that I would need to pay in order to keep the system live and in touch with both the police and fire department.

I agreed that this sounded like a good idea and I briefly read through the services agreement. At this point I began to ask her some specific questions.

I asked her, if I were to be laid off from my job and had to cancel my service, would I have to return the security system components?

She stated no.

I asked her is this a contract, if I cancel this subscription am I obligated to pay any sort of fee?

And again she stated no. She also stated that because of the promotion the only thing that I am required to do, is to continue to display the APX sign in my front yard. (which I am still doing at this point in time)

I also asked her if I sell/move out of my house before that 60 months is up, would I be able to sell the system with the house?

She stated yes that they prefer to give the system to people that are planning on being at their current residence for the next 5 years, however I could easily remedy this problem. I would have to work something out with the new owners/tenants of the house where they would display the sign for the remaining months of the agreed 60 month display period.

I then read the agreement again and pointed out that the services agreement stated I would have to pay a sum of $2999.40.
She assured me that that wasn't applicable towards me because I was part of a select few that had been given this system in exchange for advertising. She stated that what I was signing was merely an agreement to keep the APX sign in my front yard for the duration of the agreement.

I stated that this was probably just pointing out the amount I would pay, over a 5 year period, if I was to not cancel this agreement.

She confirmed this statement.

Looking back at the agreement, it is vague to say the least. I was clearly mislead by Ms. Ron, and made to believe I was receiving something for free; that I had no financial obligation to APX, and was exchanging advertising and word of mouth for a security system and its installation. I would also like to say that the services agreement does not clearly state anywhere that if the services agreement is terminated by me, that I would be responsible for any lump sum fee.

After I agreed to her terms, Ms. Ron made a phone call to what I believe was the APX headquarters. They asked me a few questions including if I understood the terms of the agreement. I believe I answered this question to the best of my knowledge. Shortly there after, two college aged men entered my house and proceeded to install the security system. At the time, I didn't really inspect everything as thoroughly as I should have, believing that this was a legit company. The motion detector only works if you put your hand directly in front of it, and many of the screws that hold the system to the doors and walls are not screwed all the way in.

Yesterday, 7/25/07, I received a letter from the company stating my Contract Renewal Date was 6/25/2010. I proceeded to call the company and verify that I could cancel the service at any time (as was stated to me by Ms. Ron).It was at this point that I was first informed that if I wanted to cancel the service I would have to pay APX over $2500 to terminate the contract. I was more than rude after hearing this, but I believe it was more than justified. They were unhelpful to say the least, and kept telling me I wasn't there sir, I don't know what she told you, but you did sign the agreement, did you not?

Today, 7/26/07, I decided to go to the other household on Greenwood Ave. that Ms. Ron informed me was given a free system. I found the house that was currently displaying her APX security system sign. I knocked on the door and greeted a Ms. Short. I asked her if she would explain to me exactly what she was told by the sales representative when she was given the system. She, like myself, was given an APX security system with the verbal agreement that in exchange for this system, she would agree to place an APX sign in the front yard of my house for 60 months. She was also told that the she could terminate the service at anytime with no penalty as long as she displayed the sign in her front yard. Mrs. Short stated that the system was already broken and that she had planned on terminating the agreement that day.

This company clearly scammed me and my neighbor into signing service agreements by using lies and deceitful tactics. I may have signed their service agreement, but this agreement was more than misrepresented by their employee, an employee named Ms. Amy Ron.

Devin
Lackawanna, New York
U.S.A.

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AUTHOR: Knowitall - Provo Ut (U.S.A.)

SUBMITTED: Monday, October 15, 2007

If it changes things for you, the person that sold you an alarm was Amy Roah. You were the 40th of 94 people that she sold an alarm to this summer. Sixteen of those accounts were in a bad credit category, you were in a "pass", considered to be 625-649. She had 14 people cancel within the three day right of recision or through another means. Sixteen people she set up got more equipment than you did.

You got 10 pts, which is pretty good. Usually systems are only 6 (standard), but when the sales rep charges a $99 activation they can give away 8 without penalty. Otherwise, they are charged $30 per point. So if you paid the activation and got 10 points, you were given $60 of equipment out of her pocket, which isn't a big deal when she was paid about $250 for your sale. However, others that got 16 points, and didn't have to pay an activation, got $300 dollars of equipment. She still wins in this situation because it moves her up the payscale and she can bank those extra point by giving someone less equipment. For example, she charges them the 99 activation and gives them 7 points. In this case a point refers to $100 of suggested retail equipment.

The only time this doesn't match up is when you get a GSM Cell unit, like you did. In the packet it's listed as $395 retail, when it only costs her 3 points. You would have gotten this in one of three situations: 1. You have comcast/vonage/WOW phone line that contains the feature VOIP. 2. You don't have a landline, only cell phones. 3. You were sold on the fact that burgulars could cut your phone lines, therefore bypassing your alarm.

Other than that you were given three door/windows, a motion detector, smoke detector, and of course the Lynx panel.

She probably made it all look really good by adding up your equipment, free installation, etc to the total of about $1700. If she was decent at building value, she might have snuck in some other numbers like a back up battery, lifetime warranty, sign replacement, etc. Truth is, they all come with a back up battery, and all the equipment is covered under normal wear and tare as noted on one of the pages of the packet.

I can tell you pretty much anything else you want to know, including the name of that neighbor that also got the system and what equipment they got. I'm pretty much a KnowItALL, so just let me know. Or maybe I'll give you a call sometime, it still ends 3359, right?
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#2 Consumer Comment

APX Alarm system is legitimate and very good

AUTHOR: Nlbknitter - Oakland (U.S.A.)

SUBMITTED: Friday, May 29, 2009

I have had an APX alarm system for several years now and I am extremely pleased with the level of service I have received from them. After my neighbors across the street were burglarized recently they decided to get an alarm system. They contacted ADT and APX (because they saw the sign in my yard). After seeing what both companies had to offer they chose APX. ADT told them they didn't need to have the door to their basement protected. That's how the burglar got into their house to begin with! They have also been very pleased with APX.

When my father-in-law needed an alarm system we recommended APX. He has also been very pleased with their service.

The ADT system we had before never worked properly and each and every time their service people came out to "fix" it (which they never were succesful at), it cost us $90. Whenever I had to call their customer service, I swear I was dealing with someone who was lobotomized! I have always had very alert and well-trained people when I dealt with APX.

Recently APX sold a number of their contracts to ADT (due to a cash flow problem caused by the tight credit situation). Ours was one. I immediately cancelled my ADT contract and resubscribed with APX. When I called them to complain that I didn't want to end up with ADT again, they said they would flag our account to make sure it never got sold again. They were very apologetic that they had been forced to sell the account in the first place.

As for having a contract, of course there's a contract! I don't see what there is to get riled up about. There's always a contract. You have a contract for your cell phone, one for your satellite, etc. What's the big deal?!?

I think APX is great. I can't be more pleased with their service and I will continue to recommend them.
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Read your contract

AUTHOR: Angie - Appleton (USA)

SUBMITTED: Tuesday, August 25, 2009

I find it hilarious that people sign contracts with out reading them.  This summer we had an APX alarm representative come in to our home.  He spoke about the company and the alarm system.  We got the system for free and he tried to make it sound like only a few select homes were getting it for free.  I knew that most alarm companies will give away equipment for free to get you on the monthly monitoring contract.  What good is equipment if it isn't being monitored?

Come on people!  Do you really think that you are going to get 2K worth of equipment and free monthly monitoring for putting a simple sign in your yard? You sign a contract.  Read the contract!  That is something they teach in middle school.  If you are signing your name to something, you better darn well know what you are signing.  It is the job of the person selling you a contract to let you know the high level overview.  It is your job as the consumer to know the details. 

We are very happy with our APX alarm system.  The monitoring has been great.  We recently installed a new door.  They called us to let us know that the alarm had been tampered with.  We let them know what we were doing.  Then they told us to call if we needed help re-installing the alarm point. 

We knew that we were getting into a 39 month contract.  We knew what we were going to be charged each month.  We asked questions when the salesman was in our home.  We made sure we were infomred before we signed our name to a contract. 

Please don't complain about how deceptive a company is when you don't even bother to read the contract that spells it out plain as day what you are getting yourself into. 


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Read your contract

AUTHOR: Angie - Appleton (USA)

SUBMITTED: Tuesday, August 25, 2009

I find it hilarious that people sign contracts with out reading them.  This summer we had an APX alarm representative come in to our home.  He spoke about the company and the alarm system.  We got the system for free and he tried to make it sound like only a few select homes were getting it for free.  I knew that most alarm companies will give away equipment for free to get you on the monthly monitoring contract.  What good is equipment if it isn't being monitored?

Come on people!  Do you really think that you are going to get 2K worth of equipment and free monthly monitoring for putting a simple sign in your yard? You sign a contract.  Read the contract!  That is something they teach in middle school.  If you are signing your name to something, you better darn well know what you are signing.  It is the job of the person selling you a contract to let you know the high level overview.  It is your job as the consumer to know the details. 

We are very happy with our APX alarm system.  The monitoring has been great.  We recently installed a new door.  They called us to let us know that the alarm had been tampered with.  We let them know what we were doing.  Then they told us to call if we needed help re-installing the alarm point. 

We knew that we were getting into a 39 month contract.  We knew what we were going to be charged each month.  We asked questions when the salesman was in our home.  We made sure we were informed before we signed our name to a contract. 

Please don't complain about how deceptive a company is when you don't even bother to read the contract that spells it out plain as day what you are getting yourself into. 


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#5 Consumer Comment

It really gets under your skin

AUTHOR: Mitailbu - Orem (U.S.A.)

SUBMITTED: Thursday, August 19, 2010

Everyone suffering from acne problem is looking for a quick and easy acne treatment. They try whatever they can find, be it buying skin products, going for facial treatments or consulting a skin doctor. All these might help to alleviate the problem a little, but they do not really solve the actual problem that is deep-rooted inside your body.

There are many acne treatments and you can choose to use them concurrently. However, I would only recommend natural acne remedies. Do some of the skincare products that you see on TV works? Yes, to a certain extent. But you must remember that most of these acne treatments contain many other chemicals which will have other side effects in the future. In certain cases, it might even worsen your acne condition.

Stop acne from within your body

Most of you who suffer from acne could be due to what is going on in our bodies. You might be suffering from a food allergy that you are unaware of. In addition, our bodies are intoxicated with plenty of harmful chemicals that go into the food we eat and the air we breathe. We need to remove them using detox remedies. These chemicals might contribute to hormonal imbalance, which leads to acne breakouts. You can find many such remedies by doing an online search. Remove these toxins in your body and you will be on your way to a healthy-looking skin.

Another simple and yet effective way to treat acne is to drink plenty of water. Water can help remove the toxins in your body, thus speeding up the detox process. You should stick to drinking at least 8 glasses of water each day. Your skin will also look more radiant when you hydrate enough.

Stop acne from the outside

Look out for skincare products that contain honey. Honey is very useful in acne treatment because it contains enzymes that can help slow or even stop the growth of bacteria on your face. Honey is also rich in antioxidants, which can help remove free radicals on your face. These antioxidants can boost tissue growth, and at the same time, help in scar-healing. Opt for a honey facial mask or facial wash. It can be a little costly, but it is definitely well-worth your money.

Do not wash your face too often. You might think that washing often can help remove oil and dirt, but washing your face too often can make your skin too dry, thus allowing your oil glands to produce even more oil! This will worsen your acne condition. Use a suitable cleanser. If you have no idea what is your skin
condition, you might want to consult a dermatologist first before you begin any acne treatment.
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#6 Consumer Comment

Same thing happened to me!!!

AUTHOR: Turk - Any Town (USA)

SUBMITTED: Thursday, August 19, 2010

There are many acne products in the market. However, most products are not effective yet costly. In fact, do not be surprised by how effective home remedies are. I will be sharing with you 3 great home remedies for acne in this article.

1) Improve your own knowledge about acne and rushing to the pharmacies to purchase acne products.

The first thing most people will do is to recommend you to buy certain products to treat your acne but I'm not one of them. Instead of rushing you to buy another acne product, I highly advise you to read up more about acne. Most people do not know the exact causes of acne and they know too little about acne.

If you want to cure acne, the first thing you need to do is to pick up the book Acne No More by Mike Walden. This book is written by a certified nutritionist who used holistic methods to cure his acne permanently. Most acne products in the market only provide short-term solution, but the 5 unique holistic steps listed in Acne No More can help you to cure your acne permanently.

2) Diet Plays A Huge Part In Curing Acne

What you need to do next is to reduce your intake of high sugar content foods. Some of the causes of acne are oily skin and excess dead skin cells on the skin surface. Most products try to remove the oil and dead skin cells from the body. What about the real problem that causes these factors to appear? The real problems are neglected and not dealt with.

High sugar content foods can cause your body to experience sugar rush. An insulin spike will follow next and this is a huge problem because this can lead to higher turnover rate of dead skin cells (excess dead skin cells on skin surface) and active sebum glands (oily skin).

Most people can use certain cleanser that promises you that it will keep your skin oil free for hours, but you will find that most do not keep their promise. You can get rid of the oil on your skin surface but you can't stop your sebum glands from producing excess oil without dealing with the real problem within.

You need to reduce or stop your intake of high sugar content foods like chocolate, white bread, pasta, white rice, donuts etc. These foods cause underlying problems to worsen and increase acne breakouts.

3) Fish Oil And Zinc

Fish oil contains essential fatty acids and it can help your body to become less prone to inflammation. Acne is a form of inflammation. When your body is prone to inflammation, it usually results in severe acne breakouts. You can get your source of fish oil from fatty fish such as salmon, tuna or even fish oil supplement.

Zinc acts like antibiotics without the side effects. Taking adequate amount of zinc supplements can help to kill the bacteria that cause acne.
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#7 Consumer Suggestion

Always get confirmation in writing.

AUTHOR: georgimus - (United States of America)

SUBMITTED: Monday, August 30, 2010

I arrived home from work at about 6:30 evening one night.  I saw a man talking to one of my neighbors accross the street.  I left for a moment to get a snack from the store next to me.  When I returned the man approached me.  He introduced himself and told me about the promotion to stick a sign in my yard as well. 

I had been looking into security alarms.  I had not yet made up my mind.  I work for an insurance company and had already dismissed a couple of companies simply because of the headache that I had in trying to get the installation certificate from them for their customer's so that I could apply the discount to their homeowners insurance. 

The man also told me that he would be giving me a free system, and gave me the whole just keep this sign in your yard jargin.  Here is the deal I knew that it is a sales tactic.  Everyone loves to feel like there getting something for free.  It is simply a marketing tool.  Has your dad not ever told you that nothing in this life is free.  Do you know how many "free" cell phones that I have had.  The only deal was that in order to get this "free" cell phone, I have to promise the cell company that I will stay with them for 1-2 years. 

I was never told that I would be released from a contract.  I was told if I move I have the option to include the completion of the contract as a part of the sale of the house or I could chose to have the system moved with me.  I asked him direct questions about the contract, and never once did he tell me something that he could not immediately point to in the contract. Then the salesman handed his phone to me and the company asked me direct questions trying to determine if the saleman had tried to make any promises.  I have never dealt with a company that did that.  I never went to a ford dealership and had ford motor company get on the phone with me to try to make sure my saleman treated me right. 

You did not get scammed by a company, you got scammed by a salesman.  I do think you should report her to APX if you have not already.  At the same time, you need to take some responsibility for not reading the contract and making sure that you get everything promised to you in writing.  Verbal contracts are weak at best, and will never be any good without a witness. Any body can call any company and say they were promised anything by one of their representatives.

So, If one of these guys come to your door, first you may want to call APX or whatever company there are representing and make sure it is one of their guys.  There are a lot of stories of people claiming to represent an alarm company or some other type of company only to gain access to the home in order to know how to later break in.  Secondly, if they make any kind of promise to you, mention that during the phone interview. 


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#8 Consumer Comment

Fast Acne Treatment

AUTHOR: Veni - (United States of America)

SUBMITTED: Monday, September 27, 2010

Everyone suffering from acne problem is looking for a quick and easy acne treatment. They try whatever they can find, be it buying skin products, going for facial treatments or consulting a skin doctor. All these might help to alleviate the problem a little, but they do not really solve the actual problem that is deep-rooted inside your body.

There are many acne treatments and you can choose to use them concurrently. However, I would only recommend natural acne remedies. Do some of the skincare products that you see on TV works? Yes, to a certain extent. But you must remember that most of these acne treatments contain many other chemicals which will have other side effects in the future. In certain cases, it might even worsen your acne condition.

Stop acne from within your body

Most of you who suffer from acne could be due to what is going on in our bodies. You might be suffering from a food allergy that you are unaware of. In addition, our bodies are intoxicated with plenty of harmful chemicals that go into the food we eat and the air we breathe. We need to remove them using detox remedies. These chemicals might contribute to hormonal imbalance, which leads to acne breakouts. You can find many such remedies by doing an online search. Remove these toxins in your body and you will be on your way to a healthy-looking skin.

Another simple and yet effective way to treat acne is to drink plenty of water. Water can help remove the toxins in your body, thus speeding up the detox process. You should stick to drinking at least 8 glasses of water each day. Your skin will also look more radiant when you hydrate enough.

Stop acne from the outside

Look out for skincare products that contain honey. Honey is very useful in acne treatment because it contains enzymes that can help slow or even stop the growth of bacteria on your face. Honey is also rich in antioxidants, which can help remove free radicals on your face. These antioxidants can boost tissue growth, and at the same time, help in scar-healing. Opt for a honey facial mask or facial wash. It can be a little costly, but it is definitely well-worth your money.

Do not wash your face too often. You might think that washing often can help remove oil and dirt, but washing your face too often can make your skin too dry, thus allowing your oil glands to produce even more oil! This will worsen your acne condition. Use a suitable cleanser. If you have no idea what is your skin
condition, you might want to consult a dermatologist first before you begin any acne treatment.


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#9 Consumer Comment

Treat Acne With Herbal Remedies

AUTHOR: Turk - Any Town (USA)

SUBMITTED: Monday, September 27, 2010

Millions of teenagers all over the world suffer from acne, and it can often be so bad that it is actually embarrassing. This is a condition that is not limited to just young people. Many older people suffer from adult acne, and this can be just as difficult to treat, if not more so, that adolescent acne. You will find hundreds of different products available that are made specifically for treating acne, and many of them work quite well. But a lot of these products also contain ingredients that you may not want to have on your skin, including certain chemical compounds. You can eliminate your worries about what is in your acne medications when you make your own. It is easy to do, and because they are made from all natural ingredients, you know that you are not putting anything harmful on your skin.

Herbs Used to Treat Acne

A lot of the home made acne treatments that you will be making contain many different herbs, either fresh or dried. Fresh usually work better, because they have all of their healing properties, and nothing has been lost in the drying process. Dried herbs tend to be a bit weaker in strength than fresh herbs, but either type will work fine for your acne treatments. Some of the herbs that are well known to help treat acne include:

- Tea Tree Oil (used as an antiseptic and an antibiotic)
- Red Clover
- Lavender (also has antiseptic and antibiotic properties)
- Peppermint (has a cooling effect on the skin, and can be used with the other herbs for a great facial)
- Strawberry Leaves
- Tree Berry Extract (helps prevent premenstrual acne breakouts)
- Burdock Root
- Dandelion Leaves
- Milk Thistle

How to Use Herbs to Treat Acne

There are a number of ways that you can use herbs to treat acne, and many concoctions you can make at home that work just well as some of the expensive products found in stores. You can make a skin toner that can be used to treat acne, using boiled herbs (strained), alum, and distilled water. Place in a spray bottle and spritz onto your skin for an acne treatment that is also cool and refreshing. You can also make your own exfoliates with some of the above herbs, added to sugar and lemon. The sugar will make your skin soft, while the lemon will help to tone your skin. The herbs, of course, will help treat your acne.

You can also make facial masks that are great for treating acne. Just make an oatmeal paste (which will help to remove excess acne-causing oils from the skin) and add some of your fresh or dried herbs. Apply the mask, and rinse off after about 10 minutes or so. Adding mint will help to erase scars caused by acne. Or, grate apples to a pulp and add to a few tablespoons of honey and herbs. Apply to face and rinse off in a few minutes.


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#10 Consumer Comment

Prevent Acne - An Easy Way to Prevent Acne

AUTHOR: Mitailbu - (USA)

SUBMITTED: Monday, September 27, 2010



Have you ever wondered how to prevent acne? There is an easy way to do this. In fact, the following article includes some great information about how to prevent acne, however let's outline some basics about acne first.

Over time, many different and unique theories have appeared about how to prevent acne. Trust me, I have tried them all! While I believe that most of them do help to some degree, most of them are just theories, none of them will work for all facial types.

How to prevent acne becomes more clear (no pun intended) when you actually have it, and then try to clear it up using the different methods. The strategies based on changing your diet seem to be the ones that work best for most people, whereas I seem to have the least amount of acne when I am less stressed.

There are many theories on how to prevent acne. Most seem to fall in three different categories which are diet, skin care, and stress. In my experience, stress is the underlying motivator for the appearance of acne.

Here's why:

Though there is not a direct connection between eating, staying active, in regard to keeping your face clear, studies have proven that lower stress leads to acne prevention. Although exercise seems to be a great way of removing toxins from your body, this is only a roundabout way of attacking the actual problem.

What stress does is upset the balance of your internal systems and your skin. It can increase the amount of sugar and adrenaline which can cause outbreaks within hours. Stress and skin care are much better areas to consider in regard to acne prevention.

How do I reduce my acne?

Simple. I make sure to take time each day to do what I want to do. I avoid people that I cannot stand. Most of all, get enough sleep. In my experience, if you sleep 10 - 12 hours straight, your body will naturally cleanse itself as you rest. If you do all of these things, and you will truly know how to prevent acne.

Update:

another thing that is very useful is making sure that you take enough vitamins. Some of the multivitamins that are commonly available at your local store will help your body by increasing the normal nutrients that it needs that may not be getting from your regular diet. I have noticed that by regularly taking my vitamins that it also helps to maintain and sometimes eliminate for a span of time any acne on my face.


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