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Report: APX Alarm, Security Solutions

Reported By: (Lackawanna New York)

APX Alarm, Security Solutions door to door scam artists use lies to con you into signing a rediculous contract West Provo Utah

... APX Alarm system is legitimate and very good

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APX Alarm, Security Solutions

5132 North 300
West Provo Utah 84604
U.S.A.
Phone:  800-216-5232
Web Address:  

Category: Security Services


Submitted: Thursday, July 26, 2007

Last posting: Saturday, May 30, 2009
At approximately 6:30 pm on the night of June 23, 2007 I heard a knock on my door. I answered and was greeted by what i thought was a very nice woman by the name of Amy Ron. She proceeded to tell me that she was working for a company called APX Alarm, security solutions and she had received a license to solicit in the town of Lackawanna, and that the police were aware that she was in the area. She said that they were targeting areas that were not necessarily high crime areas, but areas where crime was trending up.

She then asked me if I had a home security system, and went on to describe the promotion that APX was running. The promotion was one in which she would be giving away home security systems to select home owners in the area, specifically one my street (Fernald Ave.) and the street parallel to mine (Greenwood Ave.). She said that she had just given away a system to a family on Greenwood Ave. In exchange for this system I would be obligated to place an APX sign in the front yard of my house for 60 months. She stated that this was to get the word out about their company, and that accentually I would be advertising in exchange for a free system and instillation.

I let her in the house and she preceded talk about the details of the security system. She described to me the benefits and details of the system, and the details of the contract. I was again told that this was a promotion, the system was free, and instillation was free and that my only obligation was to put their company sign in my front yard and keep it there for 60 months. At this point she informed me of a special $44.99 monthly fee (5 dollars less than the normal fee) for select customers that I would need to pay in order to keep the system live and in touch with both the police and fire department.

I agreed that this sounded like a good idea and I briefly read through the services agreement. At this point I began to ask her some specific questions.

I asked her, if I were to be laid off from my job and had to cancel my service, would I have to return the security system components?

She stated no.

I asked her is this a contract, if I cancel this subscription am I obligated to pay any sort of fee?

And again she stated no. She also stated that because of the promotion the only thing that I am required to do, is to continue to display the APX sign in my front yard. (which I am still doing at this point in time)

I also asked her if I sell/move out of my house before that 60 months is up, would I be able to sell the system with the house?

She stated yes that they prefer to give the system to people that are planning on being at their current residence for the next 5 years, however I could easily remedy this problem. I would have to work something out with the new owners/tenants of the house where they would display the sign for the remaining months of the agreed 60 month display period.

I then read the agreement again and pointed out that the services agreement stated I would have to pay a sum of $2999.40.
She assured me that that wasn't applicable towards me because I was part of a select few that had been given this system in exchange for advertising. She stated that what I was signing was merely an agreement to keep the APX sign in my front yard for the duration of the agreement.

I stated that this was probably just pointing out the amount I would pay, over a 5 year period, if I was to not cancel this agreement.

She confirmed this statement.

Looking back at the agreement, it is vague to say the least. I was clearly mislead by Ms. Ron, and made to believe I was receiving something for free; that I had no financial obligation to APX, and was exchanging advertising and word of mouth for a security system and its installation. I would also like to say that the services agreement does not clearly state anywhere that if the services agreement is terminated by me, that I would be responsible for any lump sum fee.

After I agreed to her terms, Ms. Ron made a phone call to what I believe was the APX headquarters. They asked me a few questions including if I understood the terms of the agreement. I believe I answered this question to the best of my knowledge. Shortly there after, two college aged men entered my house and proceeded to install the security system. At the time, I didn't really inspect everything as thoroughly as I should have, believing that this was a legit company. The motion detector only works if you put your hand directly in front of it, and many of the screws that hold the system to the doors and walls are not screwed all the way in.

Yesterday, 7/25/07, I received a letter from the company stating my Contract Renewal Date was 6/25/2010. I proceeded to call the company and verify that I could cancel the service at any time (as was stated to me by Ms. Ron).It was at this point that I was first informed that if I wanted to cancel the service I would have to pay APX over $2500 to terminate the contract. I was more than rude after hearing this, but I believe it was more than justified. They were unhelpful to say the least, and kept telling me I wasn't there sir, I don't know what she told you, but you did sign the agreement, did you not?

Today, 7/26/07, I decided to go to the other household on Greenwood Ave. that Ms. Ron informed me was given a free system. I found the house that was currently displaying her APX security system sign. I knocked on the door and greeted a Ms. Short. I asked her if she would explain to me exactly what she was told by the sales representative when she was given the system. She, like myself, was given an APX security system with the verbal agreement that in exchange for this system, she would agree to place an APX sign in the front yard of my house for 60 months. She was also told that the she could terminate the service at anytime with no penalty as long as she displayed the sign in her front yard. Mrs. Short stated that the system was already broken and that she had planned on terminating the agreement that day.

This company clearly scammed me and my neighbor into signing service agreements by using lies and deceitful tactics. I may have signed their service agreement, but this agreement was more than misrepresented by their employee, an employee named Ms. Amy Ron.

Devin
Lackawanna, New York
U.S.A.



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Knowitall - Provo Ut (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Tuesday, October 16, 2007
If it changes things for you, the person that sold you an alarm was Amy Roah. You were the 40th of 94 people that she sold an alarm to this summer. Sixteen of those accounts were in a bad credit category, you were in a "pass", considered to be 625-649. She had 14 people cancel within the three day right of recision or through another means. Sixteen people she set up got more equipment than you did.

You got 10 pts, which is pretty good. Usually systems are only 6 (standard), but when the sales rep charges a $99 activation they can give away 8 without penalty. Otherwise, they are charged $30 per point. So if you paid the activation and got 10 points, you were given $60 of equipment out of her pocket, which isn't a big deal when she was paid about $250 for your sale. However, others that got 16 points, and didn't have to pay an activation, got $300 dollars of equipment. She still wins in this situation because it moves her up the payscale and she can bank those extra point by giving someone less equipment. For example, she charges them the 99 activation and gives them 7 points. In this case a point refers to $100 of suggested retail equipment.

The only time this doesn't match up is when you get a GSM Cell unit, like you did. In the packet it's listed as $395 retail, when it only costs her 3 points. You would have gotten this in one of three situations: 1. You have comcast/vonage/WOW phone line that contains the feature VOIP. 2. You don't have a landline, only cell phones. 3. You were sold on the fact that burgulars could cut your phone lines, therefore bypassing your alarm.

Other than that you were given three door/windows, a motion detector, smoke detector, and of course the Lynx panel.

She probably made it all look really good by adding up your equipment, free installation, etc to the total of about $1700. If she was decent at building value, she might have snuck in some other numbers like a back up battery, lifetime warranty, sign replacement, etc. Truth is, they all come with a back up battery, and all the equipment is covered under normal wear and tare as noted on one of the pages of the packet.

I can tell you pretty much anything else you want to know, including the name of that neighbor that also got the system and what equipment they got. I'm pretty much a KnowItALL, so just let me know. Or maybe I'll give you a call sometime, it still ends 3359, right?
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APX Alarm system is legitimate and very good

Nlbknitter - Oakland (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Tuesday, August 25, 2009
I have had an APX alarm system for several years now and I am extremely pleased with the level of service I have received from them. After my neighbors across the street were burglarized recently they decided to get an alarm system. They contacted ADT and APX (because they saw the sign in my yard). After seeing what both companies had to offer they chose APX. ADT told them they didn't need to have the door to their basement protected. That's how the burglar got into their house to begin with! They have also been very pleased with APX.

When my father-in-law needed an alarm system we recommended APX. He has also been very pleased with their service.

The ADT system we had before never worked properly and each and every time their service people came out to "fix" it (which they never were succesful at), it cost us $90. Whenever I had to call their customer service, I swear I was dealing with someone who was lobotomized! I have always had very alert and well-trained people when I dealt with APX.

Recently APX sold a number of their contracts to ADT (due to a cash flow problem caused by the tight credit situation). Ours was one. I immediately cancelled my ADT contract and resubscribed with APX. When I called them to complain that I didn't want to end up with ADT again, they said they would flag our account to make sure it never got sold again. They were very apologetic that they had been forced to sell the account in the first place.

As for having a contract, of course there's a contract! I don't see what there is to get riled up about. There's always a contract. You have a contract for your cell phone, one for your satellite, etc. What's the big deal?!?

I think APX is great. I can't be more pleased with their service and I will continue to recommend them.
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Read your contract

Angie - Appleton (USA)

POSTED: Tuesday, August 25, 2009

I find it hilarious that people sign contracts with out reading them.  This summer we had an APX alarm representative come in to our home.  He spoke about the company and the alarm system.  We got the system for free and he tried to make it sound like only a few select homes were getting it for free.  I knew that most alarm companies will give away equipment for free to get you on the monthly monitoring contract.  What good is equipment if it isn't being monitored?


Come on people!  Do you really think that you are going to get 2K worth of equipment and free monthly monitoring for putting a simple sign in your yard? You sign a contract.  Read the contract!  That is something they teach in middle school.  If you are signing your name to something, you better darn well know what you are signing.  It is the job of the person selling you a contract to let you know the high level overview.  It is your job as the consumer to know the details. 


We are very happy with our APX alarm system.  The monitoring has been great.  We recently installed a new door.  They called us to let us know that the alarm had been tampered with.  We let them know what we were doing.  Then they told us to call if we needed help re-installing the alarm point. 


We knew that we were getting into a 39 month contract.  We knew what we were going to be charged each month.  We asked questions when the salesman was in our home.  We made sure we were infomred before we signed our name to a contract. 


Please don't complain about how deceptive a company is when you don't even bother to read the contract that spells it out plain as day what you are getting yourself into. 


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Read your contract

Angie - Appleton (USA)

POSTED: Tuesday, August 25, 2009

I find it hilarious that people sign contracts with out reading them.  This summer we had an APX alarm representative come in to our home.  He spoke about the company and the alarm system.  We got the system for free and he tried to make it sound like only a few select homes were getting it for free.  I knew that most alarm companies will give away equipment for free to get you on the monthly monitoring contract.  What good is equipment if it isn't being monitored?


Come on people!  Do you really think that you are going to get 2K worth of equipment and free monthly monitoring for putting a simple sign in your yard? You sign a contract.  Read the contract!  That is something they teach in middle school.  If you are signing your name to something, you better darn well know what you are signing.  It is the job of the person selling you a contract to let you know the high level overview.  It is your job as the consumer to know the details. 


We are very happy with our APX alarm system.  The monitoring has been great.  We recently installed a new door.  They called us to let us know that the alarm had been tampered with.  We let them know what we were doing.  Then they told us to call if we needed help re-installing the alarm point. 


We knew that we were getting into a 39 month contract.  We knew what we were going to be charged each month.  We asked questions when the salesman was in our home.  We made sure we were informed before we signed our name to a contract. 


Please don't complain about how deceptive a company is when you don't even bother to read the contract that spells it out plain as day what you are getting yourself into. 


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