#1 Employee
AUTHOR: Sara - Boston (U.S.A.)
SUBMITTED: Friday, January 23, 2009
POSTED: Friday, January 23, 2009
. the school neither promises nor guarantees extra shop time beyond normal class hours. In practice, extended hours ARE often available to Jewelry Making students (at no charge), provided we can arrange for an experienced on-site monitor to oversee shop safety. Exact hours are difficult to predict however, as it
is the availability of these volunteer monitors that determines the scheduling of extra shop time. The flexible nature of this scheduling policy is explained to all new students during orientation at the beginning of every semester. As one of the country's leading schools of craftsmanship, we acknowledge that our training programs are intensive, rigorous and perhaps not for everyone. We maintain an extremely high standard of instruction for the purpose of graduating craftspeople with the skills to turn out high quality, handcrafted work. If a student chooses to withdraw, we adhere to a strict set of cancellation policies and tuition refund formulas. These are clearly described in the Enrollment Agreement that both the school and the student sign during the admissions process. To learn more about the value of a North Bennet Street School education, go to the "Resources" page of our website, where you will find links to the websites of graduates who are successfully pursuing careers in their chosen fields.
#2 Update By Author
AUTHOR: Appellatia - Bedford (U.S.A.)
SUBMITTED: Monday, January 26, 2009
POSTED: Monday, January 26, 2009
The fact is that, during my entrance interview, I WAS promised more extra shop time by the head instructor. The fact is that I WAS told by the head instructor that arrangements had been made with a former student to come in every Wednesday to keep the shop open until "late in the evening". This promise was never in dispute during my time as a student there. The fact is that, according to as least 5 students I interviewed there, generous extended workshop hours, in previous semesters, had been made available to the students. I complained to the associate director and the executive director early in the semester about the lack of promised extra shop time. Had I been told at that time about the tentative nature of the extra shop time, and that it was possible that there would be little or no increase in the amount of extra time, I would have withdrawn immediately. I therefore, could have salvaged thousands of dollars of tuition costs! The rebuttal states: "The flexible nature of this scheduling policy is explained to all new students during orientation at the beginning of every semester." I could have dealt with a simple fluctuation of hours. But the severe cutting back of significant portions of after-hour access to the shop is a different matter. In the rebuttal, it is admitted that the training program is intensive and rigorous. I was warned that this was the case. It was for that very reason that I got assurances up front that the workshop would be open several nights a week and sometimes until late into the evening so that I would have a chance at maintaining the extremely high standards. Those "nights" and "late evenings" were never forthcoming! Once again, I refer to the document describing the after-hours shop use. This document was handed to all incoming students. There is nothing in this document which outlines the tentative nature of this program as it was described in the rebuttal. I can appreciate the need of the presence of a capable monitor to ensure the safety of the students. However, a monitor was promised on a regular basis. So the opening of the rebuttal which states: "the school neither promises nor guarantees extra shop time beyond normal class hours" is not true.
#3 Update By Author
AUTHOR: Appellatia - Bedford (U.S.A.)
SUBMITTED: Monday, February 02, 2009
POSTED: Monday, February 02, 2009
The “extremely high standard of instruction” mentioned in the rebuttal has not been MY experience with North Bennet Street School. Their “training programs are intensive, and rigorous”. Yet the school, in my case, withheld the very provision I most needed to meet those high standards. In addition, I have a letter from the associate director stating that I could hire a tutor (as long as this tutor was approved by the head instructor), to help me catch up on my projects. After spending weeks tracking down an approved tutor, I was told by the head instructor that she was not in favor of this arrangement! Now, with added pressure on, I was forced to work fast and furiously to try to catch up. In turn, this caused me to make even more mistakes! Does this describe an “extremely high standard of instruction”? At the end if the semester I was told by the head instructor that I was not welcome to come back for the next semester because I was “struggling”! Almost everyone in the course “struggles” to keep up with this “intensive, rigorous” program. And they throw me out because I was “struggling”! Does this describe an “extremely high standard of instruction”? When I tried to appeal to the executive director, he wouldn't talk to me. Instead, administration constructed an impromptu “test” for me to pass to confirm whether or not I would be worthy to return in the fall. By now, I was tired of being trifled and toyed with. I told them I'd be in to pick up my things. They labeled this a “voluntary withdrawal”. Does this describe an “extremely high standard of instruction”? Then, adding insult to injury, when I sent them a demand letter asking for my tuition back, they accused me of “verbally abusing” a fellow student. Aside from being untrue, I was never accused of this crime while I was a student there! Does this describe an “extremely high standard of instruction”? Does it sound to you as though they were interested in my success? Or does it sound as though they were more interested in, primarily, my tuition; then on giving this 50+ year-old African-American woman the old proverbial boot out the back screen door? I do not accuse NBSS of malicious intent. I do not know what the incentive was behind their actions. Perhaps in class I asked too many questions. It might have been because of a personality conflict between the head instructor and me. It probably wasn't because of my near-perfect attendance record. It probably wasn't because of the excellent grades I received on my written exams, demonstrating my comprehension of the subjects being taught. It probably wasn't because of the “Excellent” I received on my note-taking abilities. Perhaps I'll never know the real reason I was asked to leave. I merely present to you the events that occurred there.
#4 Update By Author
AUTHOR: Appellatia - Bedford (U.S.A.)
SUBMITTED: Monday, February 09, 2009
POSTED: Monday, February 09, 2009
Given the possibility that most of the members of the board of directors may have no knowledge of this dispute, I have just sent letters to those in decision-making positions and also to a sampling of others. I explained in the letter that I do not wish to needlessly sully the reputation of this “long-standing and honored institution”. However, I do seek restitution for the unfair and unjust treatment I received. I also hope to save any other unsuspecting individuals who may, in the future, fall into a similar situation with this school.
#5 Consumer Suggestion
AUTHOR: Jeanski - Hamburg (U.S.A.)
SUBMITTED: Monday, February 09, 2009
POSTED: Monday, February 09, 2009
This school is accredited by the AACST (Accrediting Commission on Career Schools and Colleges of Technology; (((Redacted))). They might be interested in hearing your story. Schools are required to document student complaints and how they were resolved. Also, even though the school is not "licensed" they receive federal money in the way of Pell Grants and student loans. That alone requires they answer to the Department of Education. Don't give up :-)
CLICK here to see why Rip-off Report, as a matter of policy, deleted either a phone number, link or e-mail address from this Report.
#6 Update By Author
AUTHOR: Appellatia - Bedford (U.S.A.)
SUBMITTED: Tuesday, February 10, 2009
POSTED: Tuesday, February 10, 2009
As incredible as it may sound, this is true. I too was under the impression that they had to, in some manner, be regulated by the Department of Education. I reasoned as Jeanski did, that to qualify for government subsidized loans, that they would have to. Also, though they do not offer degreed programs, you do receive a diploma upon successful completion of their courses. So I was very much surprised when, on September 2, 2008, I was referred to the Department of Education; Massachusetts Proprietary Schools division, and was told by the spokeswoman there that indeed, NBSS was exempt from licensure. On the same day, I phoned the Boston Superintendent of Schools. I was told by them, also, that NBSS did not fall under their jurisdiction. Also, on that same day, I spoke with the Massachusetts Department of Higher Education. She told me she had spoken with the Proprietary Schools division and they had confirmed that North Bennet School was structured so as to fall within a certain formula based on their type of endowment and the certain way the organization is structured, so that they do not require licensure by the State Board of Education. The law which exempts them is the General Laws of Massachusetts, Chapter 93, Section 21A. Schools which fall under this category are rare indeed.
#7 Update By Author
AUTHOR: Appellatia - Bedford (U.S.A.)
SUBMITTED: Friday, March 27, 2009
POSTED: Friday, March 27, 2009
As of today, March 27,2009, the “Charity Reports” posted by the Better Business Bureau for North Bennet Street School would seem to demonstrate bias in favor of this institution and against the consumer. If you read the summary “Evaluation Conclusion” (which is also the text that is displayed for the viewer when bringing up a search), you will see the text: “North Bennet Street School (NBSS) meets all 20 Standards for Charity Accountability”. However, when you actually click on the report you will see the large headline:
“North Bennet Street School DOES NOT MEET ONE OR MORE STANDARDS for charity accountability.” Why the discrepancy? Could this be just another incident of how the BBB is not the consumer advocate they claim to be? After reading all the reports against the BBB on this website, I am inclined, now more than ever, to believe that this is so! And regarding the complaint I filed to the BBB against North Bennet Street School, the BBB posted the following comment: “The BBB has determined the organization has addressed all disputed issues and made a reasonable effort and offer to resolve the complaint, however the individual remains dissatisfied.” I am interested in how they could make such a determination. The school has made no effort whatsoever, that I am aware of, to resolve my complaint. The only thing they have done is send their legal council out to respond to me with false accusations and character defamation! I am in total agreement with the sentiment expressed on your website in report #1343 that the BBB is simply the “FOX GUARDING THE HEN HOUSE”!
#8 Update By Author
AUTHOR: Appellatia - Bedford (U.S.A.)
SUBMITTED: Thursday, May 07, 2009
POSTED: Thursday, May 07, 2009
Early in February, nearly three months ago, I sent letters of appeal to North Bennet Street School's Board of Directors. I have not yet received a response from anyone. As was suggested, have now appealed to NBSS's accrediting commission. I will keep this site updated as to their response to my complaint. Stay tuned.
#9
AUTHOR: Appellatia - Bedford (U.S.A.)
SUBMITTED: Thursday, September 10, 2009
POSTED: Thursday, September 10, 2009
I've recently been assured from the Accrediting Commission that my complaint against North Bennet Street School is still being processed. I will post the results as soon as I hear from them. Again, stay tuned.
#10
AUTHOR: Appellatia - Bedford (U.S.A.)
SUBMITTED: Monday, September 14, 2009
POSTED: Monday, September 14, 2009
Though it was more than four months ago that I filed my complaint against North Bennet Street School with their accrediting agency, ACCSCT, I have not yet received a response about the complaint. They have assured me, however, that the complaint is being processed. I will post the results of the response as soon as I receive it.
#11 Update By Author
AUTHOR: Appellatia - Bedford (U.S.A.)
SUBMITTED: Friday, October 09, 2009
POSTED: Friday, October 09, 2009
After five months, the accreditation bureau for North Bennet Street School has finally responded with a rubber-stamping endorsement of the school. Am I surprised? Not at all. Why not? An associate of mine who has been practicing law for a number of years once told me that accreditation does not necessarily mean much. I was skeptical, but I decided to research the subject. I only wish I'd done my research BEFORE signing up for the Jewelry Making and Repair course at North Bennet Street School. North Bennet Street School's accreditation is a NATIONAL accreditation as opposed to a REGIONAL accreditation. ACCSCT (now ACCSC), though recognized by the U.S. Dept. of Education, is NOT recognized by the Council for Higher Education Accreditation. Both of these facts are significant. I will explore why in a later update. In the meantime, you may wish to do your own research.
#12 Consumer Suggestion
AUTHOR: bjr - (United States of America)
SUBMITTED: Tuesday, November 03, 2009
POSTED: Wednesday, November 04, 2009
I completely feel for you and your situation regarding promises made by instructors of this school.
As a graduate of a different 2 year jewelry program I can tell you without a doubt that jewelry classes which end at 3pm each day are not enough to finish projects whose aim is metalworking perfection.
I've been there, done that.
Any school worth anything will know that to achieve perfection in a jewelry piece is to work long hours after the teaching is over. The fact that they did not allow you to take the work home is ridiculous. What is their purpose? Their goal? Take your money, make promises, break them, then rush you through a delicate work of art?
One of the first lessons in jewelry school was that you will be painfully slow at first, and that speed will only increase with practice and repetition. If you are constantly working on new pieces and never really putting in the time to perfect them, you are not learning enough about the process.
It's like, "finish the jewelry box, the hinges are OK, kind of loose, but we close at 3pm so you don't have time to redo them". Too bad for you. On to the next assignment.
My advice is to give up on the "official" channels of protest because they are not working for you. The school is made up of a bunch of tightly nit teachers and board of directors and are really running their own show because they are not recognized. I'm sure they all enjoy it that way.
My advice is to show up on their open house days, the days where prospective students show up with their mom's and dad's. You write your letters as you have done here and you hand these out just outside of school property. You will do more damage to their reputation this way and if they still won't refund your money, then not only are they liars but stupid at economics as well. Someone on the board will take you seriously eventually. 2 days each year is all the time it takes on your part. Certainly more effective than contacting a lawyer or talking to the goverment about it.
I believe you when they said they are looking for a studio monitor to keep the studio open after hours. 90% of jewelry schools are open after hours, so it's natural for them to promise the same thing. I'm just floored that no 2nd year students were willing to stay after hours for the opportunity to improve their work. What a shame.
Studio closing at 3pm is a joke.
If the samples of work on their website is the best the students have done at this school, it's testimony to the lack of time spent on the pieces.
#13 Update By Author
AUTHOR: Appellatia - Bedford (U.S.A.)
SUBMITTED: Tuesday, November 10, 2009
POSTED: Tuesday, November 10, 2009
In a recent post to a different site, dated Nov. 2, 2009, North Bennet Street School stated the following: "The recent post concerning the withdrawal of a student training to be a jewelry-maker has been thoroughly investigated. The handling of the matter and cancellation policies have been reviewed and endorsed by the courts, the Better Business Bureau and ACCSCT." FACT: No one has ever interviewed me concerning this matter. The Better Business Bureau and ACCSCT have both taken my complaint, but have accepted, hands down, everything the school has had to say about the matter. This is in spite of the fact that I submitted indisputable documentation supporting my side of the story. NO unbiased arbitrator has sat and listened objectively to both sides of this story and ruled on the side of North Bennet Street School. To state that this is a matter that has been "thoroughly investigated" is to be thoroughly dishonest!
#14 Update By Author
AUTHOR: Appellatia - Bedford (U.S.A.)
SUBMITTED: Monday, November 16, 2009
POSTED: Monday, November 16, 2009
First of all, I will take a moment to make it clear up front that my protest is NOT, in any way, targeted against the Concord Museum in Concord Massachusetts. Next, I wish to thank sincerely the person who wrote the Consumer Suggestion posted on this site on November 4, 2009, entitled "A promise gone bad". I am even going to adopt this title in my future protest slogans. Unfortunately, I just missed being able to hold my first protest against NBSS at their previous open house event. However, I have actually been able to start my street campaign against NBSS at a different event. On this past rainy Saturday, November 14, there was talk being given at the Concord Museum by NBSS' director, Miguel Gomez-Ibanez. I was there, in front of the Museum that morning handing out my "School of NO Recourse" fliers. I must say it was exhilarating! I plan to return to this same site at future events featuring NBSS activities and programs! For future events I am creating protest signs so I will be more visible. I am also crating YouTube videos to upload to a future blog site. And, as the Consumer Suggestion proposed, I also plan to be out in front of North Bennet Street School during all of their future open house events! I feel their bad treatment of me should not be swept quietly under the rug. If it can happen to me, it can (and I have strong reason to believe it has) happen to others!
#15 Update By Author
AUTHOR: Appellatia - Bedford (U.S.A.)
SUBMITTED: Thursday, December 17, 2009
POSTED: Thursday, December 17, 2009
This past Monday, December 14, I picketed the actual street location
of
North Bennet Street
School .
I must say I was surprised at how graciously
most of the members of the school staff and administration accepted it!
It’s really too bad that I have to go to these lengths to
get my message out.
But to be out
$10,000 only to be dismissed from the school because I was “struggling”; having
my dismissal labeled as a “voluntary withdrawal”; being denied the right of
appeal; then, after demanding that my tuition be refunded, being falsely accused
of “verbally abusing” one of my fellow students—is all just too much to turn
around and walk away from!
Anyway, it was a chilly, but sunny day for a protester to be
out walking the streets. Have a look at
some pictures I’ve uploaded!
#16 Consumer Comment
AUTHOR: I.C. - Sudbury (United States of America)
SUBMITTED: Saturday, December 19, 2009
POSTED: Saturday, December 19, 2009
I am a graduate of the Jewelry Making and Repair program of the North Bennet Street School. I graduated before the woman who wrote this complaint. When I was there, we were NEVER promised extended hours. We got them if we were lucky, but some of us, like myself, were also working full-time in the evenings and couldn't stay late. And yet, I completed the course in the allotted period of time, with ZERO extra hours. In fact, most of the students do. If you decided to go to Harvard in your 50s, the University would expect you to meet the same standards as all of the fresh out of high school students still in their teens. Age is no excuse. Jewelry making is my second career. There are many graduates of all of the programs at North Bennet Street who came to the school late in life and have excelled. If this woman was allowed to continue the program and receive a certificate of completion, even though she couldn't complete the work, it would be an insult to those of us who busted our butts to make it through this difficult program with good grades. Yes, grades. This is a trade school, but it is still school. The goal is to train jewelry professionals, who will work in the real world, where there are...gasp!.. TIME LIMITS! Gee, who would have thought that a school would have time limits. At other high schools, universities and colleges do you just get to turn in your work when you feel like it or is there a due date? Say you miss the due date, are there consequences? If you were to blame your missing the due date on limited library hours or lack of study space, do you think the school wouldn't respond by saying you had the same access to these tools as everyone else in the class? I now own a jewelry store, and my customer's expect to get their repairs and custom peices back in a reasonable amount of time. Anyone who owns a jewelry store can tell you, Time is money! I'm sorry that you didn't like the program. I had a wonderful experiance, and still use everything I learned. But it was a damn hard program. The standards are very high, and to me, that makes my completetion of the course meaningful. The school found me my first job as a jeweler and has been increadibly supportive since. The school told me when I enrolled that they are basically willing to accept anyone to the program, but that the standards are high. They made it clear that if I didn't proform up to those standards I would be asked to leave. You can't buy the completion certificate. You have to earn it. Some people thrive and make it through, and others don't, just like at any instituition of higher learning. Some people just don't have the natural apptitude for doing very small detailed work. I've taugh metal smithing at a local arts center for several years, and I've noticed that often the most creative students who are the most interested in jewelry making lack the hand-eye cordination for metal work. Again, not the schools fault. If you fail class requirements, that everyone else can complete, it is you, and you alone that is at fault, not the school. Like I said, I never stayed late, worked in the evening and on weekends (two jobs by the way, one of which was a school sponsered paid internship), and I completed the course, along with extra projects, on time. It isn't impossible. I'm not saying you are a bad person, but clearly you were not up-to-par as a student at the North Bennet Street School. There were people in my class that were "invited to leave" for the same reasons as you. Those students were a massive drain on the program. They made it difficult for the rest of us to get the attention we needed, and that was precisely why they were asked to go.
#17 Update By Author
AUTHOR: Appellatia - Bedford (U.S.A.)
SUBMITTED: Monday, December 21, 2009
POSTED: Monday, December 21, 2009
I am happy that I.C. Sudbury is a person who is fast at picking up new skills. She was certainly more worthy of the course than I. She was certainly faster and more proficient than the other student (Consumer Suggestion #12) who wrote in and stated that 90% of other schools are open after-hours. She is obviously much more talented than the instructor at North Bennet Street School who told me that without the extensive extra hours she was given, she would not have been able to complete the course. She is obviously much more talented also than some of the advanced students, attending the course along with me at the time, who told me that they would NOT have been able to complete the course had they not had the extended hours they were given. I am happy for I.C. Sudbury, and I sincerely wish her continued success! I, on the other hand, am VERY AWARE of my own limitations. When it comes to perfection, I am my own worst enemy. I absolutely DETEST sloppy work. When learning new skills, at first I am slow, however, as time passes, and I become more comfortable with my increased skill level, I pick up speed. I believe this is true of many people. And I KNEW this about myself when I applied to the School. KNOWING this about myself, I was reluctant to sign onto the course and commit many thousands of dollars of my retirement money that I could not afford to waste. Rosemary, the head instructor, however, told me that the school had made arrangements with a previous student to come in EVERY WEDNESDAY to keep the studio open until late hours, just as he had done in prior semesters. This WAS the arrangement and the EXPECTATION at the time! Why WOULDN'T she have told me about it!! I told her that this was very important to me and I would clear my schedule so I would be able to take advantage of this provision, and that I would be there every Wednesday until the doors closed! But for personal reasons of the student, THIS PROVISION NEVER MATERIALIZED!!! I DO NOT blame the student for not being able to come in! I DO NOT blame the school because the student couldn't come in! I have stated this over and over again and I don't know why it had been so difficult to make this point! Here is the problem: I was NEVER told, until it was TOO LATE to get my tuition back, that extra workshop hours were considered by the school to be "icing on the cake", and regardless of whether any extended hours would be made available OR NOT that I would be expected to turn in all assignments at the expected high level of quality and on time! I REPEAT!! I WAS NOT TOLD THIS UNTIL IT WAS TOO LATE TO GET MY TUITION BACK!!! Had I NOT been assured of this provision of extended hours in the first place, I would have done what the director of admissions had suggested to me, and that was to take a few workshop courses first, to see how well suited I was for this rigorous course. And the whole time I was there, the School NEVER DENIED having made this promise to me! Rosemary simply stated that "things change"! I can certainly understand that circumstances do change. But if the "thing" that changed was the very provision I had depended on to complete the course in a satisfactory manner, then I deserve my tuition back!!! YOU were able to complete this course without this provision. Some others were able to complete the course without this provision. I was not, and I AM NOT YOU!!! We all have our strengths and weaknesses. I am VERY WELL AWARE of my own!
#18 Update By Author
AUTHOR: Appellatia - Bedford (U.S.A.)
SUBMITTED: Friday, April 02, 2010
POSTED: Friday, April 02, 2010
The AUDACITY! How dare I speak out openly about those "alleged" misdeeds! So what if I was denied the right of the appeals process! So what if I was falsely accused of "verbal abuse" as an excuse to not consider any recompense! So What! PTOOEY on my documented proof! The AUDACITY! How dare I "bash" this poor little institution on the internet! With something akin to religious fervor, these "happy graduates" have risen up and advised me to "grab a tissue", have a good cry in some quiet dark corner somewhere, and simply "move on with my life"! Their beloved, self-policing, loosely-regulated, charity nonprofit corporate institution, a.k.a North Bennet Street School, could not POSSIBLY have been guilty of a single misdeed! I MUST have been the one at fault and there could be no two ways about it! How DARE I! The AUDACITY!
#19 Update By Author
AUTHOR: Appellatia - Bedford (U.S.A.)
SUBMITTED: Sunday, June 06, 2010
POSTED: Sunday, June 06, 2010
We leave unmolested those who set the fire to the house, and prosecute those who sound the alarm. --Sebastien-Roch Nicolas De Chamfort. North Bennet Street School has now had close to two years to offer a peaceful truce to this dispute. They have chosen instead to sit with resolute silence, offer weak excuses, and launch false accusations. As a result, their unwillingness to resolve this issue peacefully has fostered hatred, rancor, and malice against me on the part of their "happy" and "successful" graduates and clientele. One has to look no further than the rebuttals to my reviews on this site and other review sites to see how this reviewer has been portrayed (by people who are ignorant of the central issues of this dispute) as stupid, unreasonable, incapable, and possessing a host of other undesirable traits. As I continue my training and form relationships with colleagues and with skilled, award-winning, highly respected, nationally-known artisans and craftsmen in the field, they are impressed with my work ethic, enthusiasm, determination, ability, and dedication to this craft. When I share with them my bitter experiences with North Bennet Street School, they are shocked and appalled that an institution with "such a good reputation" would behave in such a shameful manner. This "charitable", "philanthropic", tax-exempt, non-profit corporation, whose mandate is to benefit the community-at-large and stand as a beacon for what is just and what is right, has failed miserably in this regard. Proof of one's character is in one's deeds--not in one's words alone. Their hurtful words and deeds will stand in perpetuity as a witness against them. North Bennet Street's own actions will forever point an accusatory finger at itself.