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Report: #370051

Complaint Review: FRATER DANTALION - BEDFORD Nationwide

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  • Reported By: Northampton South Carolina
  • FRATER DANTALION Box 62, St Loyes House, 20,St Loyes St, Nationwide United Kingdom

FRATER DANTALION Black-magic-spells A VERY CLEVER RIP OFF INDEED! BEDFORD UK NATIONWIDE

*Consumer Comment: Dead on, but with one catch

*Consumer Comment: I AM SICK AND TIRED ABOUT HEARING NONSENSE ABOUT THIS GUY --THE KING OF ALL SCAMMERS

*Consumer Comment: A Gift Of Knowledge From Dragon Spells, By Jim Morgan

*Consumer Comment: A Gift Of Knowledge From Dragon Spells, By Jim Morgan

*Consumer Comment: A Gift Of Knowledge From Dragon Spells, By Jim Morgan

*Consumer Comment: A Gift Of Knowledge From Dragon Spells, By Jim Morgan

*Consumer Suggestion: Response to the Trae accusations

*Consumer Comment: USA does not use sterling!

*Consumer Suggestion: Both websites..

*REBUTTAL Owner of company: The Law

*REBUTTAL Owner of company: Oops!

*Consumer Suggestion: Harry I have news for you

*Consumer Suggestion: Harry I have news for you

*Consumer Suggestion: Harry I have news for you

*Consumer Suggestion: Harry I have news for you

*Consumer Comment: Has anyone heard from Frater Dantalion?

*Consumer Suggestion: Anymore Results?

*Consumer Comment: I'm an idiot.

*REBUTTAL Owner of company: BAD CLIENT

*Consumer Comment: From bad to worse

*Consumer Comment: From bad to worse

*Consumer Comment: From bad to worse

*Consumer Comment: From bad to worse

*Consumer Comment: Frater is not God

*Consumer Comment: An individual decision

*Consumer Comment: Too much hiding, not enough honesty

*Consumer Comment: Waiting

*Consumer Comment: What threats? Facts actually.

*Consumer Comment: I guessed the ROR for FD moved here now

*Consumer Comment: Spare us the threats....

*Consumer Comment: confusing

*Consumer Comment: confusing

*Consumer Comment: confusing

*Consumer Comment: United Kingdom??

*Consumer Suggestion: Here we go again.

*REBUTTAL Owner of company: No results? The reason is because you haven't used my services.

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FT is clearly a very clever man. His website is indeed very impressive and I fell for it. I paid for two spells, he was very reluctant to answer any questions, he made this very clear on his website (has since changed his wording as knows he can attract more clients by being nicer!) I asked a few questions but never received adequate answers, and foolishly although I had ringing bells I went ahead and parted with a lot of money.

Needless to say as soon as I had paid, any questions I had were answered with one line answers, I could feel by then this was a true scam.

Obviously I had NO result.

BEWARE - He is a very intelligent man but HE IS A CONMAN. watch out for his wifes website as I am sure before too long she will be featured on here too!

DON'T WASTE YOUR MONEY HE REALLY IS AN EVIL MAN WHO HAS MADE A FORTUNE OUT OF VUNERABLE PEOPLE

Teresa
Northampton, South Carolina
United Kingdom

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#36 REBUTTAL Owner of company

The Law

AUTHOR: Frater Dantalion - (United Kingdom)

POSTED: Wednesday, October 08, 2008
This is a scam run by Trea Dorn owner of www.trhonline.com One thing all of Trae Dorn's scam websites have in common is none have a mailing address, which the law states is required for websites selling services or products whether one is needed or not.

The only websites of Trae Dorn's that have addresses are fastspells.com and spelllock.com, but for whatever crazy reason he exposes fastspells.com as a scam (on www.trhonline.com) and he says he plans to do the same with spelllock.com.

Yes it is easy enough to do a check on the trading laws in your country, it's the same everywhere, websites MUST have a physical contact address if they are selling something. All Trae Dorn's website are breaking the law. The law protects the consumer.

Odd how you can only pay for your spells by PayPal, no business bank account or anything?

Trea Dorn has started a ridiculous hate campaign against me, posting lies on his www.trhonline.com website and sadly all over ROR. On the other hand, my website and this report states the truth, the truth always wins in the end. I am posting here as myself, I don't need to hide.

A spell casting website must by law display: spell prices, have terms and all the sensible things you would expect if you was buying a DVD from a large company.

Trea Dorns websites are using hotmail, yahoo and google email addresses, not website business ones. If a large company sent you an email from largecompany@hotmail.com you would be alarmed, I suggest you treat all websites using free email addresses the same way.

The law:

USA - http://www.out-law.com/page-424
UK - http://www.oft.gov.uk/shared_oft/business_leaflets/general/oft958.pdf (an Office of Fair Trading download)

Here is a list of Trae Dorn's law breaking scams - does anyone really think a website breaking trading and e-commerce laws offers a genuine service? Of course not. Would you knowingly choose to use a website that breaks the law? No. TD's scams:

www.fastspells.com
www.spelllock.com
www.witchcraftspellsnow.com
www.provenlovespells.com
www.21stcenturymagick.com
www.haitianvoodoospells.com
www.secretwitchcraft.com
www.spells4free.com
www.orderofisis.com
http://aishalovespellsscam.blogspot.com is owned by Trae Dorn
Http://www.psyforums.com/
http://www.psychic-source.com/
http://www.angelblueessential.com/
http://www.goldman-y.com/
http://www.thebestof2worlds.com/
http://lovespells.spaces.live.com/ww.divinelovespells.com - Lee Ann
www.profesorjorge.com/english.htm Professor Jorge
www.divinepsychic.org/ Sharon Notre-Dame
www.firespells.com - Isidore Bonjoko
www.angellovespells.com - Angel-Priestess Maria
www.moonspells.org - High Spirit-Priestess Faera
www.venuslovespells.com Priestess Samantha Venus
www.lovespells.ws Deborah
www.thebestof2worlds.com
www.psychicdena.com - Psychic Dena
www.psychichelp.net - Altea
www.templeatlantis.com
www.realvoodoo.org - Josue J. Lenoir
www.revenge-spells.com - Luther Joseph LaFortune
www.wiccanwitchcraft.org/
http://lovespells.spaces.live.com/
www.weightlossspells.net - Gwendyth
www.afterlifepsychic.com/
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#35 Consumer Suggestion

Both websites..

AUTHOR: Robert - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Friday, October 10, 2008
The "law" referenced for US law is NOT for US law, but is instead for the United Kingdom.

Hint: The US does NOT have a Value Added Tax (VAT.)
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#34 Consumer Comment

What threats? Facts actually.

AUTHOR: Stevo - (United Kingdom)

POSTED: Sunday, September 07, 2008
FD can sue someone for saying they have used his services when they haven't, if he wants. Posters who lie stand the risk of being sued, fact not threat. A court order will ensure the IP address is revealed.

I work as a psychic, and I am using FDs spell casting services, so what if the British law says we are entertainers, the man is helping me, fact.
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#33 REBUTTAL Owner of company

Oops!

AUTHOR: Frater Dantalion - (United Kingdom)

POSTED: Wednesday, October 08, 2008
I've been posting the above message on so many of TD's RORs that I forgot to alter the first sentence.

Trae Dorn is competitor, with as many ROR usernames, as he has websites. He keeps creating new reports.

His websites break the law.

The law:

USA - http://www.out-law.com/page-424

UK - http://www.oft.gov.uk/shared_oft/business_leaflets/general/oft958.pdf (an Office of Fair Trading download)
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#32 Consumer Suggestion

Anymore Results?

AUTHOR: Jumping - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Wednesday, September 17, 2008
I was wondering if Stevo or looking got anymore results? I m going to start studying the occukt and would like to find out which type of magick is the strongest.

Thanks
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#31 Consumer Comment

Frater is not God

AUTHOR: Sweetyhoney - (United Kingdom)

POSTED: Wednesday, September 10, 2008
I am sorry to say this this not fair on Frater. Frater actually rejected to do a spell for me, i dont know the reason why all i gather is i asked too many questions caz of all this ROR feedback i wanted a rough analysis of how long it will be. If he wanted money he could of promised loads of things.

But back to the topic, all these comments about his wife is not good. It could be the Barabra might do a better job than Frater, she did learn this stuff from him, but her will power could be more stronger than his we dont know.

I know his website tells that he can whatever he states but we have to remember that spells take time and they is a bigger power there which is God no one can be as powerful as him so rather picking on things that have not worked lets work on things that do work.

In practical life we can go to a lawyer he can say i have never lost a case i only have learnt to win but in the end that person has to loose something. So lets just be fair on him and dont drag his wife into something she has got nothing to do with.
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#30 Consumer Comment

I guessed the ROR for FD moved here now

AUTHOR: Looking - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Saturday, September 06, 2008
Alrighty, I guessed this ROR for FD moved here..

I read these ROR many times just to ensure that I have a right person that helped me cast the spells for my case. I'm getting confused because I don't even know anymore which person that really a clients or just a competitor. I've been waiting for my result with really high hope, because I think he's a nice person and really wants to help. Especially with people in needed, sometime we even have to save money to pay this service - hard earned money.
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#29 Consumer Comment

An individual decision

AUTHOR: Swimgirl - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Sunday, September 07, 2008
FD's site still appears to be one of the more reputable ones I have seen regarding spellcasting services.

I think this is always going to be a difficult topic to prove one way or another, considering the anonymity of those who post on the site (and the rules of the occult), as well as competitors, et al. It is almost always impossible to prove something one cannot see, especially to others. Again, I think it is whether or not you believe in whether or not these things work, but I do think it is unfair to call everyone who does this a fraud. Most of the spellcasting sites on the internet are completely bogus, but there are witches and occultists (and others) who are committed to their work. While they may be few and far between, there are still some out there.

People should stop bashing those who use these services, as it should be a forum for those who are using FD's services, have considered them, or have used them in the past. I think this was mentioned on the other thread by other posters, but well, you can probably see what I'm getting at. People throw accusations out all the time on these things, but I think it can be very easy to be suspect of those who post similar statements as found on other threads (referring to the stuff King Tut was talking about above, someone did indeed, post the same complaint about two different people, pretty much word for word) or have odd cities of residence. While I know people want their anonymity while posting on this site, I do find the whole "South Carolina UK" thing a bit odd. I think there is are still ways to stay anonymous without giving yourself/your identity away without using odd locales.
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#28 Consumer Suggestion

Here we go again.

AUTHOR: King Tut - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Friday, September 05, 2008
How long ago did you get this spell? How can you say for sure that he is a scam? How do we know that you are not a competitor? I'm sorry, but one of the main things I hate about these Rip Off Reports is that anyone can post any information without providing proof of its validity. Its so easy to "hide" behind names and locations. You could be a competitor trying to harm his websites reputation. You could be a customer who just got the spell a month ago and wanted quick results that you never received. The truth of the matter is we just don't know. I've read other reports on this particular website, and for the most part, its received positive reviews. I'm pretty sure that there will be some unsatisfied customers since some spells fail, but based on other customer reviews that I've seen on the other reports, it seems like his success or approval rates if you will are pretty darn good.

sorry that you did not have any luck.
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#27 Consumer Comment

I'm an idiot.

AUTHOR: Waiting - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Friday, September 12, 2008
Dear Frater:

I think that in venting my frustration, I have come across the wrong way. I am in the situation for which I was seeking relief because I was wronged over and over. I think I did say that I was angry about the way I was treated as anyone would be. And in my hurt I did react with anger. And I have forgiven, even though those things are very, very hard to forgive as they wound one to the core.

Immediately after I wrote the above, I regretted it. I wasn't being fair and the more I thought about it, the more I realized I wasn't.

I have been reviewing the communications I have had with Frater and I would like to say for the information of everyone here:

1. Frater did tell me earlier on that this was a difficult situation and would need more time.
2. At a point in the spell I did some damage to the work he was doing. I thought I was helping but it turned out I hurt the work and quite likely added to the time for manifestation.
3. Each time I have emailed Frater, he responded fully to each question asked, explaining as much as he knew.
4. There were times when I was frustrated and panicking and he verbally "held my hand" through it, He also held back from chastising me for my action mentioned in 2.
5. When things seemed to be at a standstill he made the effort of doing a booster spell for the first one.
6. I have considered the influence of other individuals and situations on the "one person" that the spell has to do battle with. It is indeed not so simple. The situation is such that as soon as one hurdle is overcome another one presents itself and this will continue to happen until a certain act is agreed upon by several people, causing the one person to change.
7. Because of the difficulties the subject and I have in communicating, and our distance, it is hard to tell how the spell was working and could very well have been doing its thing unknown to me.
8. I have also been thinking that my panic also caused me to damage the hopes of other people waiting for spells to manifest. Ifmy own intense frustration and despair is a measure to go by, I don't want your pain to be increased if it canbe helped.

Apologies to all.
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#26 Consumer Comment

United Kingdom??

AUTHOR: King Tut - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Saturday, September 06, 2008
To the person who submitted this complaint:, I noticed that the location at the ending of your complaint shows "United Kingdom". I'm kind of confused because I thought the United Kingdom was not located in the United States. See, you indicate based on the City and State that you claim to reside in that you live in the United States. Its baffles me why it shows United Kingdom as the signature at the ending...shouldn't it show USA? Could you really be Tanith, or Margaret or whatever name you chose to go by at the time being?

Yes, I agree with Dantalion, you have never used his services.

I have caught another person in a lie on a different report. For proof or more information, please enter the following Report Number in the "Search A Company" field Report 368409.

On Report 368409, you will clearly see that the individual who refers to herself as "MediaWorld" submitted a complaint against that of a Kimberly Rose of fastspells.com ,the funny thing is, that exact same complaint was submitted one month or so earlier on a totally different spell caster (Ironically the different spell caster was Tanith/Margaret). Please check it out (and make sure you read my response on that report carefully)..It proves the extent that some competitors are willing to go to harm their competitors reputations.

Dantalion is correct on another point, he can get you for slander and your IP address can be exposed. I've seen that on another report for an individual who was slandering services received from Kasamba on these very same ROR's. So be very careful.

If you are not a competitor, than I challenge you to provide more proof. Tell us when you got the spell, and how long it took for you to realize you'd been scammed. Be specific provide more details.

I am not trying to bully you or anything, but you have to realize that this guy has a lot of clients as well as other individuals who speak highly of him. Therefore, in an effort to discredit him, you are going to have to up your game a bit in your complaint.
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#25 Consumer Comment

Too much hiding, not enough honesty

AUTHOR: Sid - (United Kingdom)

POSTED: Sunday, September 07, 2008
That's not enough information WAITING, how do we know you aren't Tanith and going to keep posting, 4 months, 5 months, 6 months and no results? One line comments are weird, and you have used a sarcastic username. Maybe FD can tell us if you are a friend or foe? Tanith might invade this report again, or create more reports.

I am using FD, only two weeks into the job he's done for me, things are altering, and I always get more than the one line replies Theresa claims to receive, so that is a lie.

Doesn't appear to be a scam. I did my home work before ordering.
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#24 Consumer Comment

Waiting

AUTHOR: Waiting - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Sunday, September 07, 2008
I bought a spell from Frater Dantalion and have also been waiting over 3 months for a resolution. I have seen no results yet.

Waiting
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#23 Consumer Comment

I AM SICK AND TIRED ABOUT HEARING NONSENSE ABOUT THIS GUY --THE KING OF ALL SCAMMERS

AUTHOR: Joe - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Monday, February 23, 2009
THIS IS SOME GUY --PROBABLY AN OLD SCHOOL GYPSY RAGHEAD WHO LIVES IN GREAT BRITIAN--WHO IS SUPPOSED TO DO GREAT MAGICAL SPELLS..

I SAY SUPPOSED TO BECAUSE I DON'T BELIEVE IN THIS STUFF AND I SURE DON'T BELIEVE IN THIS ONE.

WE HAVE MORE THAN ENOUGH AMERICANS WHO CAN OBVIOUSLY OUTPERFORM THIS JOKER.

SO WHY EVEN BRING HIM UP UNLESS YOU ARE ADVERTISING FOR HIM.

HE NEEDS TO BE BANNED FROM THE RIP OFF REPORT.

THIS IS THE ONLY PLACE I EVER HEAR ABOUT HIM -- A SITE DESIGNED TO REPORT FAKERS AND FRAUDS WHO RIP PEOPLE OFF AND TAKE THEIR MONEY UNDER FRAUDULENT PRETENSES.

THIS IS PATHETIC.

WE DO NOT NEED ANY BRITS COMMITTING FRAUDS AND RUNNING MAGIC CONS AND SCAMS HERE.

THE ONLY MAGIC TRICK HE KNOWS IS HOW TO MAKE YOUR MONEY DISAPPEAR SO HE WILL HAVE A NICE SUM TO PAY FOR TRIBUTE TO THE KING AT CARAVAN!

WHAT A BUM!

AND ANYBODY WHO GIVES THIS FRAUD ANY MONEY IS AS BAD AS HE IS.

IF YOU DON'T FEED THE ANIMALS, THEY WILL GO AWAY.

IF YOU DON'T GIVE THIS GUY ANY MONEY, HE WILL GO AWAY.

I WONDER IF HIS REPUTATION IS SO BAD IN BRITAIN THAT HE FEELS HE HAS TO SOLICIT THE USA AND CANADA FOR NEW VICTIMS TO RIP OFF.

WELL, WE HAVE HEARD OF HIS SORRY a** HERE TOO AND NE JUST NEEDS TO GO AWAY.
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#22 Consumer Comment

Has anyone heard from Frater Dantalion?

AUTHOR: Harry - (United Kingdom)

POSTED: Tuesday, September 30, 2008
Hi I currently have an ongoing spell with Frater - and have tried to reach him through his website and emails but not heard anything else - has anyone heard from Frater since 9th Sept - Frater Im sure you know who I am - please can you get in touch as I really need an update - much appreciated.
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#21 Consumer Comment

Dead on, but with one catch

AUTHOR: Meep - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Wednesday, April 01, 2009
I ignored dantalion for a while. He didn't stop his garbage, and people didn't stop believing it. As long as FD continues to operate on RoR, creating new threads to eliminate the context from prior ones, people will still take his garbage as revelation. People like a conspiracy and FD is more than happy to serve. So while I agree that he's obnoxious and a fraud (after all one of the deities he claims to use is a deity from an HP Lovecraft fiction novel), I hardly imagine he'll go away or that the circus that follows him around will abate either.
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#20 Consumer Suggestion

Harry I have news for you

AUTHOR: Falling - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Wednesday, October 08, 2008
Harry, sorry to tell you this but you:
1) got ripped off
2) got scammed
3) got taken advantage of
4) got burned
Sorry this happened to you but Oswald Carleton (a.k.a Frater Dantalion) is a despicable excuse for a human being that takes advantage of people in need for his own gain. He is void of any human morality whatsoever and has no human decency. The only magic he performed was the disappearing act he pulled on you after her got your money. You won't hear from that skunk I'm sorry to say.
Wish you the best.
Falling
p.s. I got scammed from that skunk also. Taught me a valuable lesson about life. Spells are a scam and don't work!!
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#19 Consumer Suggestion

Harry I have news for you

AUTHOR: Falling - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Wednesday, October 08, 2008
Harry, sorry to tell you this but you:
1) got ripped off
2) got scammed
3) got taken advantage of
4) got burned
Sorry this happened to you but Oswald Carleton (a.k.a Frater Dantalion) is a despicable excuse for a human being that takes advantage of people in need for his own gain. He is void of any human morality whatsoever and has no human decency. The only magic he performed was the disappearing act he pulled on you after her got your money. You won't hear from that skunk I'm sorry to say.
Wish you the best.
Falling
p.s. I got scammed from that skunk also. Taught me a valuable lesson about life. Spells are a scam and don't work!!
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#18 Consumer Suggestion

Harry I have news for you

AUTHOR: Falling - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Wednesday, October 08, 2008
Harry, sorry to tell you this but you:
1) got ripped off
2) got scammed
3) got taken advantage of
4) got burned
Sorry this happened to you but Oswald Carleton (a.k.a Frater Dantalion) is a despicable excuse for a human being that takes advantage of people in need for his own gain. He is void of any human morality whatsoever and has no human decency. The only magic he performed was the disappearing act he pulled on you after her got your money. You won't hear from that skunk I'm sorry to say.
Wish you the best.
Falling
p.s. I got scammed from that skunk also. Taught me a valuable lesson about life. Spells are a scam and don't work!!
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#17 Consumer Suggestion

Harry I have news for you

AUTHOR: Falling - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Wednesday, October 08, 2008
Harry, sorry to tell you this but you:
1) got ripped off
2) got scammed
3) got taken advantage of
4) got burned
Sorry this happened to you but Oswald Carleton (a.k.a Frater Dantalion) is a despicable excuse for a human being that takes advantage of people in need for his own gain. He is void of any human morality whatsoever and has no human decency. The only magic he performed was the disappearing act he pulled on you after her got your money. You won't hear from that skunk I'm sorry to say.
Wish you the best.
Falling
p.s. I got scammed from that skunk also. Taught me a valuable lesson about life. Spells are a scam and don't work!!
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#16 Consumer Comment

A Gift Of Knowledge From Dragon Spells, By Jim Morgan

AUTHOR: DRAGON - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Saturday, February 21, 2009
A Gift Of Knowledge. Raging Against The Spell Scam Machine

KNOW YOUR SPELL CASTER AND SPELL SITE

DON'T FALL PRAY TO CON GAMES FROM FAKE CASTERS & READERS

DON'T PAY FOR YOUR IGNORANCE

Educating The Public

Greetings and welcome from Enchantress Jan Windglows and Jim Morgan of Castle Dragon's Eye, Blood Love And Lust Spells and Dragon Spells. This post is a effort to assist both Clients and potential clients considering spell work. What is magic or magick you ask ?, magical practice can be defined in numerous and specific ways that go on to evolve into various styles of ritualistic art, and technique depending on the magical discipline your viewing at the time.

Every magical system, style or religion has one thing in common and you may be asking what would this common denominator would be ?, The answer is: (Divinity). The supper glue to spiritualism if you will, the uniting factor for all faith systems and religions.

Divinity, is known by countless names such as: Jehovah, Yahweh, Alia, Jesus, God, Goddess, Angels, Yang & Yang, Ancestors, The Source and the Devil just to name a few. It doesn't matter what you choose to call Divinity as they answer not only to the names in which we choose to call them by,

but also by the yearnings of out hearts. Please know that Divinity exist with a positive purpose no matter how you call them to yourselves, it doesn't matter if you choose to believe in this Divinity or not, as it still exist and is watching your every move while judging you throughout your life as it unfolds.

Divinity is not evil in any respect as this is Humanities calling and nothing to do with anything heavenly. Divinity, can be viewed as a destructive influence in some instances, especially when things need to change positively within the world, A nation or Ones personal life to some existent,

Divinity is a positive and progressive Force Of Creation with a full awareness of all within and without its self, that moreover has a very strong sense of self-preservation being the positive progression life and creation. This Divinity in which I speak, will in fact extinguish all that it considers to be harmful or destructive to its natural growth be it in nature of a persons life.

Divinity is about life and not death, good and not evil. positive and not negative acts. Again, Divinity isn't evil by its nature, however will grant a negative request to a recipient of a prayer by design, this is done in a effort to educate that Soul concerning right wrong choice from wrong action,

or karmic repercussion and or spiritual retribution. I believe, that Divinity can and does utilizes the reward and punishment system in order to drive a message home in our lives.

For Example: Divinity will grant a persons prayer for some new hub caps for their car by either offering that person the opportunity to go out to work hard in obtaining the money to buy this item, or will allow a person to go out and steal this same item without being caught.

If the person works hard to buy the hubcaps, then not only have they went about this the right way and feel good about themselves and their efforts, but will have more then likely have supplied income to someone's family who was in turn praying for a financial miracle at the time.

They have done Divinities work in this instance by making the right choice and carrying out the correct action. Should they decide to steal the hubcaps, then Divinity will let them get away with this for a short time, that is,

until a policeman pulls this individual over and writes them a speeding ticket for three or four times what the hubcaps were worth in the first place. This applies for all life circumstances involving thought, speech and action. Divinity, is about love and justice. Again, not evil or death.

People may pray for whatever they like, and their prayers will be heard. The Consumer may choose to work through a spell caster to obtain their prayers, and yes, their prayer will be heard, however, the question is : will that prayer be granted for the Consumer ?, this is something that only Divinity knows as they are the ones in whom grant ALL spells or prayers and not the Caster.

Spells or prayers may be granted in both instances of being justified or unjustified, either as a reward or to teach a karmic lesson to the Client of a prayer, depending on the situation. The safe way to go about asking Divinity for anything is to always be justified, truthful and positive in your request.

Let me just make the distinction here between the prices that one must pay in order to be the recipient of a successful pray casting. Should you attempt to yelled a prayer to Divinity for whatever reason or thing that you may be wishing for out of life, then be prepared to under go personal positive change in the way of bettering yourself to a greater existent.

To brutally look at yourself in the mirror and determine if you are conducting your life through right thought, speech and action. Are you being fair to yourself and others, are you being a constructive member to creation or a dead cell causing disease to all that you touch.

This is hard thing to do for most, including myself as life can be difficult at times, especially when we are all suffering from some sort of life crisis at one time or another, agreed ?. When yielding your prayer through a spell caster then your still subjugated and or required to under go this same process in order to become more worthy to receive your prayer request.

Your prayer or spell will greatly depend on this (( and not the caster of your spell )), or even the spell its self. LOOK for spell casters that include this aspect of working with the client in their spell criteria and you can't go wrong.

When you as the Consumer pays a spell caster to cast a ritual for you, please know that you are paying that Caster for her time and magical knowledge along with whatever materials they might be needing for the ritualistic action taken in your behalf.

Spell casters, like any other profession such as Doctors, Lawyers and School teachers must be paid for their service in most instances or it just won't pay for them to cast spells for the public.

YOU ARE NOT paying them TO MAKE YOUR SPELL COME TRUE as this is again, up to Divinity to decide and not the Caster, it's up to you in taking responsibility for your past and present actions regarding how you have, and are co-existing with those around you.

Every one of us has Divinity within, even those in whom we think are the most worthless people in life, and thus we must take care in always doing the right thing by all concerned. This doesn't mean that we allow ourselves to be picked on unjustifiably, or that we can go around judging others because we think were better then they are.

However, it does mean that we must treat others fairly and more so temper our justice with mercy when needed. To remember that Divinity is judging us in our thoughts, speech and actions taken out either for or against others.

Depending, on the casting service you choose, will determine what kinds of services will come with a given spell action, some WILL NOT offer spiritual counseling. Why ?, because they are simply spell casters and not counselors of any kind. Some spell casters may not be good in the way of working with people but will excel as excellent spell casters.

To expect this service from a site that doesn't really offer it, is like going to a hospital and expecting them to paint your care for you. Other spell castings sites do offer this sort of service, that moreover assist you throughout your spell casting to some degree.

Yet others will make counseling the main focal point of their over all services as this is needed to guide, assist and ensure that a person has the best chances for spell success. Another thing that I'd like to mention here, and that is: The success of a counseling service will depend on the magical knowledge and life experience of the caster themself,

and thus you should ask them a few questions about your life situation before you contract any caster to determine if they can actually yield good advice to you or not.

Often times, the Consumer believes that it's better if they have more then one caster working on their case, however this isn't true at all, in fact this only causes conflict and confusion to the Clients via receiving difference of opinion coming from both casters regarding their case,,

further does absolutely no good regarding the spell work in progress, as it could ultimately harm or ruin your spell in the end. Why, well, Divinity heard the client the first time and will either grant a persons spell or not concerning how well they are doing in regards to the spell criteria.

Also, and again, no matter how many casters a person has working on their case,, spells are granted or not granted on a individuals personal efforts and not on so much what the caster has done in their behalf.

The caster can make your spell heard clearly along with guiding you through a given spells criteria or process, he or she can direct Divinities attention to a persons plight, but CAN NOT make a spell happen for a person, especially if the client isn't staying within the spell criteria.

It's up to the client at this point to give the prayer strength via their own personal efforts and by taking responsibility for their own actions both positive and negative in life, simply by following the rules of the site and karma.

Listen up guys, SPELLS CAN NOT BE GUARANTEED, why is this you ask ?, two reasons, the first of which being: spell casters can't guarantee that your going to stay within their spell criteria or site policies, and secondly, they can't speak for Divinity, the Divine Source knows every facet of your life more so then the caster and thus will make their judgment on that basis. The caster only knows what the client has told them and nothing more.

Let's take death spells for instance, let's say that a client writes in and says that they have been wronged by another and moreover that they wish death upon a person, the caster only has one side of the story at this point but agrees to perform the casting just the same.

Lets say that the prayer is yielded by the caster asking for the death of a specified person singled out by the Clients request, the spell is received by Divinity to be solely judge concerning what action should be taken toward a perceived offender.

Divinity, may choose to cause actual physical death to that person, or in most cases, a simulated death of a person by simply taking the offending person out of the clients life entirely, they do this by causing them to move away from the client, go to jail and or via other life circumstances.

in the instance of death spells, most casters will enter in a hand written letter of the client whom wishes the action to be carried out while absolving themselves of wrong doing within the death request. They do this in light that the request could be considered unjustified by Divinity, and there for protecting themselves from karmic retribution.

Casters, will tend to treat any prayer request like this, just on the off chance that a Client has forgotten to yield pertinent facts about the case. Let's call the death spell client John, perhaps john forgot to tell the caster that his target of the death spell had filed charges of rape against him, Let's say that John actually committed this crime not to mention wanting the death spell in keeping his victim from testifying against him in court, and so on.

This is why spell casters write up the spells in this way to ensure that they firstly, don't hit the wrong one or innocent person as a result, secondly, so they don't end up suffering karmic retribution as a result of going off a one sided story.

This is why we leave it up to Divinity to judge for either a granting or not granting of a prayer, Period. We only know what the Client has told us concerning their situation and further don't really have any way of checking out the validity of that story other then trusting the client.

Also, do yourself a BIG favor and don't pressure a spell caster into giving you a actual spell guarantee on any spell because your putting them on the spot. Your not being fair in this instance, if they don't guarantee you the spell, then you may not come in for the spell work that they may need to pay their rent etc,

plus you will be setting yourself up for a fall if the spell doesn't actually work out for you, or in the way that you actually wanted it. Be King and Fair to yourself and the caster.

Ok, let's talk about Tarot Readings and other forms of divination. Firstly, tarot card readings will pretty much tell you what you all ready know, and further won't tell you about the out come of spell casting, especially when you haven't had a spell cast yet. Readings, will may or may not yield your future depending on the reader and form of divination they happen to be using.

Spells, when cast, take two to four weeks to show up in a reading and sometimes longer, the universe is a huge place and it takes time to turn things around in short,.

When you try to look into the future early on, or before a casting has taken place, then this is like looking into a empty barrel expecting to find something new. Getting readings performed by Psychic Spell Casters in my opinion is a HUGE conflict of interest as they want you to buy a spell, their readings may or may not reflect this. Again, BE SMART about and consider this fact.

There are a lot of tarot and Psychic junkies out there on the net that moreover get one reading right after another and this is harmful to any spell casting as it could actually change the out come to a spell ritual or stop it entirely. Remember, your thoughts and speech are like prayers, you can actually think and speak things into reality good or bad to a extent.

If your mind is in a negative mind set due to negative readings, then negative things will come back to you. Your mind may not be in a negative place a the moment but can quickly get there should you hear one to many negative readings, or inaccurate readings.

When looking for a reader, find one that just performs readings and not spell castings. Upon finding a good reader, TELL THEM NOTHING ABOUT YOURSELF as this will corrupt their reading and or lead them in telling you what you want to hear.

Don't let them hit and miss with you, some Psychic readers will tune in to some degree and others will hit the nail on the head. Well rested readers will typically do better in yielding a accurate reading more so then a reader that is performing one reading after another,

The reason for this is that their drawing on or depleting their energies constantly, this will weaken them in time and you could get a faulty reading as a result. Again, this depends on the reader and what they can handle case wise. Some readers can handle this like some spell casters.

When a person consistently thinks or speaks about readings, castings or their over all situations, then this is like a chant as your thoughts and speech are again, prayers in themselves being said over and over. You can't forget about something if your continually thinking about it, can you ?.

The name of the game here is to not only release your prayer but to have the faith in Divinity and yourself that it will work for you, think and speak positive things and pay attention to the things you've been letting go in your life such as family, friends and paying your bills etc.

Like I said, Divinity heard you the first time, whom are further looking to see how much you really want your request to happen through your own personal self efforts of positive behavior. Thinking of something over and over again will just tire you out and slow your spell results down over all.

I don't personally advocate excessive phone or tarot readings, nor the use of mutable casters as I deem these things harmful to both the client and their spell casting. Obsessing over something or thinking about a matter consistently will also cause depression and physical illness, this is also destructive to any type of spell working as a person is actually harming themselves as a result.

Spell casting, is much more then just throwing money at another person and expecting everything to go right in ones life as a result, It more then tarot readings and spell casters or spell sites promising to do all kinds of things for you. It has everything to do with Divinity and how they view our lives and moreover how were conducting them.

As I've stated in other postings on this site, I don't condone spell castings paid or otherwise until a person has firstly made a sincere effort in resolving their problems through fair and positive means and or well thought actions, only then should a person seek out spiritual help and not before.

Life is about positive growth through trial and error, you can't grow unless you recognize your mistakes first. Magick is nothing more then a prayer spoken to the Devine Powers that be in a ancient way that's typically carried out in your behalf by a given caster, or yourself in some cases. The spell casting process takes hours of hard work coming from both the Client and Caster in the way of aliening a client with the spiritual realm, plan and simple.

To go out and contract a spell casting for yourself and not be aware of these facts above, or to ignore them all together, is nothing short of being folly on your part as the Consumer in my opinion, to contract a spell casting while thinking that the caster is a God, is nothing more then foolishness on a persons part, yes,

we have our gifts, but on the other hand we are all still made of flesh and bleed just like you. There is only One Divinity, the master of ALL creation who has known every facet of our lives from the start, PERIOD. This same Force Of Creation will be the only ones around us upon our deaths when all else has failed us.

Some people in the past thought that I explain to much to the public concerning Divinity and magical practice, however I don't feel this is so. It is my goal to yield the universal gift of Divinity to both great and small. It doesn't matter where your found in life, no more then it matters if your rich or poor as Divinity sends its message to all. All a person has to do is to listen to receive the blessings of this Force Of Creation, you may perform this through spell work or through your own positive self-efforts.

If the truth be known, my first priority and loyalty rest with Divinity, above and beyond any earthly desire, I don't seek fame or glory, I am not here to make money nor am I here to exult or cast down others as their deeds will do this for them. You shall know them by their deeds. I am here to educate. Especially in the midst of all the chaos and anarchy that I see going on within this site. I don't personally benefit from my postings other then seeing the record set straight with spell rituals and Divinity.

I would like some assistance from other good sites in spreading this message of life and light if at all possible however this is up to them. This is exactly the place where the real message of Divinity needs to be heard not to mention where the curious can actually find out how spell castings work.

This is the place where we as legitimate spell casters can start weeding out the fakery and imposters proclaiming to be Divinity themselves. I've never experienced such hatred and anger in my life as I've seen on this site. through no fault of ROR, this site seems to draw others into the chaos so easily.

We've all been drawn into this thing including myself to some degree, but there again, its not where your standing that matters so much as it is where you choose to go from here. I have found myself up here defending myself and others for two years now against some who took it upon themselves to slam us, but I have now decided that enough is enough, I've proved my case.

I choose to break the cycle now to start a new cycle of education to those that might be confused a bit on the subject of magical practice. Any spell caster worth their salt will join me in doing the same thing as it is up to us to set the record straight concerning the misconceptions people have pertaining to magical practice.

I choose to be happy in assisting the public in any way possible, while bringing back the message of Divinity to anyone who is brave enough to listen to it. This is my choice and the road I choose to walk from now on. What will your choice be, and what road will you choose to walk my friend ?. Be smart, Be safe and love Divinity with all your mind, body and soul as this is what matters the most in life.


Raging Against The Machine, Exposing Scam, Protecting The Innocent.

This post is a attempt to assist and resolve the unfortunate instances of persons being scammed out their money by fraudulent and or fake spell casters, psychic readers and others. I've researched and practiced the arts of magick for twenty-eight years now, with eight or nine of those years being on the net as a spell caster myself before my business officially closed down a couple of years back.

Janhett T. Windglows of www.bloodloveandlustspells.com is now my trusted love in whom has been gifted the remainder of Dragon Spells in the capacity of free magical information source for all to view.

She has now included all 199 pages of this copyrighted material into her her current sites under Dragon Spells archives. Both Jan and myself thought it extremely important to address these topics regarding magical practice and the fraud occurring in and around this profession.

And so, in the name of Divinity do we write this post in order to help, assist and save Divinities children from these Imposters. I would also strongly encourage other up right magick sites to stand against these same imposters as our very good names are under attack as a result of their negative and harmful deeds against the innocent.

The art of magick is a holy thing to both Jan and I not to mention both of us being great lovers of Divinity and all things spiritual. The scamming on the Internet must stop, however we in the magical community can't do it alone, and urgently need your assistance in resolving this matter through your own self- education and efforts.

Only you can stop the scam before it turns into a scam. Think about it, Expose the scam artist, cut off their money supply through this espouser, then sit back and watch the internet become clean and free of them. They will leave because there's no more blood to suck or ignorance to pray off of in short.

The content of this post will typically convey not only my personal observations and beliefs, but the shard experiences of others regarding the subject of magical practice. Some practicing persons of the art may not agree with some or all of my statements; however, they are always free to dispute what I personally know to be long held truths concerning this subject.

Let me first start off by saying that magical practice is a discipline, like any other discipline, that moreover takes unending dedication and on going sacrifice demanded of the Practitioner over the span of many years. It's just not something that you can learn overnight or from one or two books.

Also, Spell casting its self is a very small aspect to the over all faith system for most men and women of the magical arts, that some may or may not choose to incorporate into their over all belief system. A strict code of spiritual conduct is in play a great deal of the time and must be followed inherently in order to maintain one's communication and or working relationship to the Divine.

This is done through a person's right thought, speech and action and therefore causing this shared relationship to endure and become strong between the casters and the Divine Source, or Divinity as I like to address Them.

This same relationship must also be taught and passed to the Client of any magical operation to have any hope for spell success as it is Divinity that grants a prayer and not the caster. A common person may achieve their dreams without the use of magick through a proper relationship to the divine source, however it does take a lot of hard spiritual and mental work to get there.

Nothing is free in Heaven or earth, and their is a price to pay for everything that we want out of life, however this price has nothing to do with money more so then it has to do with positive self-growth and change.

There are numerous faith systems existing and skirting the three mainstream religions better known as Islam, Judaism and Christianity, and it is these more recent faith systems or disciplines past these three systems mentioned above that go on to be represented on the net as spiritual spell casting sites.

Some examples of these more recent sites are predominately the Voo Doo and Wicca sites just to name a few that we see all over place these days. These particular new age sites typically have their origins deeply rooted in the past predating the three main religions above, but in essence have developed more so into free style, or liberal type systems of belief and not really emanating the dogma of the prototype earth faith systems from which they were derived.

In light of these varying systems of faith that are moreover stemming from the past, and were primarily drawn off of elemental worship in the beginning, please note that these faith systems also varied in practice from region to region. It only stands to reason that the offspring of these older or ancient systems would expand and project a wide and diverse array of beliefs and magical technique as can be seen currently on the Internet;

especially when a general system such as the bible wasn't existent in the beginning of this earth faith based creation period was commonly practiced. Ok, what does all this mean? It means that when a person goes on the net looking for a spell caster, this is like being lost in the chaotic jungle of numerous faiths and practices. It means that a person can be taken in quite easily; especially if their not familiar with magical practice of any kind. A person can become open to scam artist pretending to be a legitimate spell caster or psychic.

The Internet is a place where one can find old world witchcraft merging in with Voo Doo and Wicca on occasion, where old testament magick intertwines with the new testament and Chinese faith systems. Further, where you can find a place for the ancient Babylonian Gods and Goddesses coinciding with the angels of King Solomon, lol? A bit confusing, isn't it ?

This is why you should ask numerous questions to guard yourself against fraud as anyone can make up a fake magical system and bedazzle you with promises of future happenings.

Take the time to read the site, then step back to see if any of it makes sense to you, check the site out by speaking to the site owner while cross referencing it with known magical practices if you can. There's plenty of material on the net outlining the magical disciplines and the magical techniques they use. Don't be a fool, Use your head, If it sounds to easy. If it sounds to good to be true then chances are it's something you should look at further before sending your money out.

I hear the word 'scam' being screamed out and echoed across the universe these days regarding white and black magic or magick sites, but what does this word really mean, I ask you? (( A quote from Wikipedia)) - A scam is a confidence trick. 1. A ploy by a shyster to raise money. 2. A fraudulent business scheme. To 'scam' means to victimize, deprive of by deceit; 'He swindled me out of my inheritance'; 'She defrauded the customers who trusted her'; 'the cashier gypped me when he gave me too little change' 3.

A confidence trick, confidence game, or 'con' for short (also known as a scam) is an attempt to intentionally mislead a person or persons (known as 'the mark') usually with the goal of financial or other gain. The confidence trickster, con man, scam artist or con artist often works with an accomplice called the 'shill', who tries to encourage the mark by pretending to believe the trickster. By Jennifer S.F., end of quote.

Obviously, no real spell caster or person that follows any kind of a spiritual pursuit will engage in this sort of activity, this goes against the very nature of walking a spiritual path and is more so highly contradictory to what a person is trying to accomplish in their life such as achieving spiritual peace through divine knowledge and conduct.

The type of activity stated and quoted above belongs solely to the unscrupulous person who has no fear or respect for Divinity, not to mention fearing any karmic retribution coming back from the negative acts they tend to carry out on a daily basis. These are is just a few things that separate the scam artist from the legitimate spell caster and or spiritual person.

Ok, now that we have established the difference between the spiritual person and the scam artist, lets explore the conflict that has been taking place on the net between the Client and Spell Caster, let's do this via the definition of a binding contractual agreement as follows:

Again, a quote by Wikipedia, That depends. First, the agreement must be a contract, which means there must be an offer, an acceptance, consideration (value exchanged) and a lawful purpose. The exact definition of each of those terms depends on state law. Second, some contracts can only be enforced in court if they have been signed.

For example, contracts that cannot be performed in one year, or for an interest in land must be signed. Each state has slightly different rules on which contracts must be signed. Those rules are known, collectively, as the 'Statute of Frauds'. However, even if you have a valid oral contract that does in fact violate the statute of frauds, you may have a difficult time proving it without some sort of documentary evidence such as witnesses to contract. In conclusion its best to get everything signed and in writing, end of quote.

In light of the definition above referring to the verbal agreement, I would speculate, that in some instances of reported fraud up here on Rip Off Report, would and are more or less misunderstandings of the contractual agreements made between Client and Caster, and not likely fraud itself.

In other instances where fraud has actually occurred as stated above in the definition, it is hard to prove, unless the victim of the crime has a witness to the contract, recorded or written evidence to support their claim of wrong doing such as emails, phone records, receipts, etc.

Let me further yield my definition of spell fraud. For example: Let's assume that a person comes in to a site looking for spell work, let's continue to say that the caster makes guarantees to that perspective client of a given spell casting, in saying that the spell will work for you within three days, moreover without mentioning any possibilities of it not working for the perspective client at all,

or telling them directly that there isn't any possibilities of it not working for them. This is a statement and promise to the client at this point in time that further convinces that client to come in for the spell through a verbal or gentleman's agreement. The client sends the requested funds to the caster via postal mail, pay pal or wire and the caster begins work upon receiving the needed payment and items.

If the Caster verbally 'GUARANTEED' the casting and the spell doesn't work as the caster said it would in three days, then this is technically fraud as this client would have never contracted the caster had he or she told them that there was a possibility of the spell not working for them at all.

The client was under the impression that it was going to simply work and wasn't told any different; or was told directly that the spell couldn't fail. If the caster implied that the spell would work, but made no guarantees to the client, and said nothing about the possibility of the spell not working for whatever reason.

Then this this could be considered the obtainment of moneys through misleading speech via not disclosing all the necessary spell facts. This falls under unethical practices more so than fraud as there was misleading speech taking place against the person via the withholding of information that the client needed to base their decision on etc.

But there again, this is why the client should ask a lot of questions should the caster either intentionally or unintentionally fail to bring something up. Ask a lot of hard and direct questions before giving any monies over to a on-line caster or land based spell caster. In other words, if your looking for spell work, be smart and don't let anyone take advantage of your ignorance pertaining to the matter of magical operation. Don't pay dearly for your ignorance folks.

It's very important for a perspective client to understand what is needed, and or expected from them regarding any spell work offered FROM THE START; Not during or after the work is complete, But From The Start. It's Again, very important that a client has a very realistic view or goals of what is, or could be obtained from spell work before entering into any spell process.

Lastly, It is EXTREMELY IMPORTANT to stay within the guidelines of the site regarding the offered spell criteria should the client decide to engage in any kind of magical operation with a spell casting site or land based casting business. Don't go into a process especially if you don't think you can adhere to the rules as this isn't fair to the spell caster or you, this will only cause major problems and bad feelings down the road.

The best way to avoid being scammed or misunderstanding the contract in which you might be getting yourself into, is to ask a lot of pertinent questions. To check the site out via the B.B.B. and licensing commission of the state the site is registered in. Of course, you may use Rip Off Report as a indicator of what kind of site you may be completing spell work with, however don't let your investigation stop here as the information your getting may or may not be entirely correct. Questions a perspective Client can ask: 1- How long has your business been in practice? 2- Do you have a license to practice and in what state?. 3- What exactly will be expected of me personally regarding my spell?

4- What can I SPECIFICALLY expect in the way of spell results? ( get this answer from the potential caster in a email or hard copy letter.) 5- Can you send me a policy sheet regarding the things I should do and the things to stay away from during this process? 6- May I have a copy of your disclaimer? 7- What happens if my spell doesn't work, and will I be charged again?

8- Do you guarantee your spells? (If they actually guarantee a spell, THEN RUN.) Guaranteeing sub services that come with the spell in some instances such spiritual counseling or providing spell pictures are things that can be easily carried out or guaranteed as 'services'.

You can't guarantee the spell operation itself; as this is like guaranteeing that it will rain tomorrow or that the wind will stop blowing all week long. Knowledge is power folks, so be a smart shopper. If a site guarantees that your spell will occur and it doesn't work, then DEMAND a refund immediately, or take this issue to one of the suggested state or federal agencies below.

As I've stated in many other reports up on Rip Off Report, Any legit spell casting services will have no problem in addressing these questions for you. You can then distinguish the scam artist from the real spell casters through your knowledge obtained. Fake casters won't address these questions for you and will moreover become evasive concerning these questions and issues put before them. Perform a background check on a potential spell caster to be safe and DON'T FEEL

PRESSURED in quickly sending your funds off to anyone no matter what the caster or anyone else says until your completely satisfied with what you have learned and feel comfortable with it all, no matter how badly you want a certain spell ritual. Watch out for fake casters that try to scare you into buying spells from them via giving you terrible readings or visions in what your future might hold for you.

Don't be BULLIED, BELITTLED OR TAUNTED into buying spell castings. It's better to be safe then scammed, wouldn't you say? ONLY YOU CAN STOP SCAMS before they occur.

What is magick you ask? Magick is a holy communication that takes place between You, the Caster and Divinity. A prayer to the Divine Powers that be made in your behalf by the Caster, A positive joint effort of souls regarding the out come of one's life through a spiritual request. Magick is real, It's not a joke, no more then it's fun time or parlor tricks;

it's something serious that a person should think long and hard about before jumping into, be they a new caster or a client. Real magick is not to be played with nor taunted; least your ready to pay the price. To those that scam people out there, well, your on notice and will be dealt with in good time.

To those REAL spell casters who fight the good fight and carry on Divinity's teachings, my hat is off to you. Moving on, I don't advocate spell castings paid or otherwise unless a person has exhausted every other avenue of resolving a problematic situation in their personal life through other conventional means such as good communications and or the use of the court system in some instances. In other words, why bother Divinity if you can handle it yourself.

Most magical people love the clients in which they work, they will, in fact go the extra mile for the client however It's important for the client to realize that magical people are just that, (( PEOPLE )), just like you. We're not Demy Gods more so then just ordinary people living our lives in extraordinary ways,

yes, we have gifts, or curses that might be considered gifts when looking from the out side in, but still, just people. People that deal with nothing but crisis most of the time and only see the harsh realities of what goes on in other peoples lives around the clock, month after month and year after year.

We are not perfect ourselves, all though this is our goal at times, lol. We have the same likes and dislikes as most other people not to mention our down sides or mood swings so please be as understanding as you can with us when dealing with a real spell caster.

We have dedicated our lives in serving Divinity and you, that have in many instances gone through the same things that our clients are coming to us to fix them now. Sometimes a client can learn more by listening to their caster rather then trying to speak over them.

People, if you find fraudulent spell casters on the net, then expos them for the sake of all of us out here, but do it the right way. Make sure they are fakes before you condemn them on the open air ways, make sure your reasons for doing so are correct. Think about it, what if you are condemning the wrong caster that is moreover acting in the capacity of a diplomat between heaven and earth.

This would most certainly have long reaching effects in your life be you a Atheist, Christian or other. I've had my conflicts up here on this site with others, however I've tried to present the facts as I've seen them and moreover proved my case for the most part, and thereof exposing what I believe to be fake magick sites and the negative actions they have carried out against others.

In short, it's not about pointing the finger or hurt feelings so much as it is proving your case beyond a reasonable doubt to the public should a conflict occur, if at all possible, and given the circumstance of Rip Off Report. Coming up here to vent and or just to blast another site or person is absolutely the biggest waste of time ever; especially when you don't have much or anything in the way of

substantiating your case, so why do it? Why upset yourself or expose your statements to public ridicule from those who have drawn their own conclusions via the lack of proof from either side? or one side in particular.

Why subject yourself to Hecklers or the one your reporting harassing you through several anonymous names and so on. If you have a problem with your caster and you find yourself on the short end of the stick then get real about it and pursue them through legal means via your documentation.

HAVE YOU BEEN SCAMMED? If you feel that you have been scammed by a given magick site, be it on-line or off, here are a few options that you can pursue. Let's first look at land based psychic spell caster scams. If you again, feel like you've been scammed, then the first option is to report this activity to your local police along with a in-depth report outlining the offense that has taken place,

you will also be required to back up your statements with verifiable and creditable proof in the way of eye witness accounts, recordings or documentation.

This information will be passed over to the District Attorney's Office and he or she will investigate it through the Department Of Justice depending on the amount of money lost and or other offences that may have taken place. Should the D.A. find that a report has substance to it , then this office may turn a company over to the county licensing and zoning not to mention the U.S Marshal's office.

In the many instances that a report is found credible, the business bureau authorities will pull the licenses and close the establishment until the investigation is complete and or the accused is either found guilty or innocent to some varying degree by the courts.

The codes and penalties of fraud are clear and decisive in most counties and states however may differ from state to state in who will pick up or carry the charge against the offender.

Most law enforcement agencies will also make a clear distinction between actual criminal act and civil matters; and thus, a complaintent might have to pursue their grievance through the civil courts solely, should law enforcement find the complaint in the civil arena instead of the criminal realm.

Again, file your report with your local police department then follow it up with the local district or state attorney's office in the instance of a land based business infraction. In the case of Internet fraud, The Internet is a HUGE legal gray area to start off with and often times land based laws, simply can't or won't apply on the air ways, or from state to state.

Many states have varying laws regarding what they consider to be fraudulent act; and will handle it concerning what local and state laws dictate concerning this issue, not all states agree in short and seemingly have a lot of trouble with jurisdiction issues.

In light of this fact, most counties and states would rather not deal with such internet issues or crimes as: on-line stalking, on-line harassment, Internet fraud, phone and email harassment or slander issues in most cases and thus these offenses become the property of federal jurisdiction and not county or state. Many out there on the net will tend to turn their complaints into the F.B.I., I.R.S, A.T.F., and other government agencies; however,

these law enforcement agencies may look at, but won't really investigate Internet complaints,, they deal with actual physical or tax crimes referred to as 'capital crimes' in some cases that occur against the state or federal government in short.

The B.B.B. is neither a federal or state agency, but rather a company like any other in the private sector operating under federal guidelines much like a bank or firm that has been contracted by the government like Nassa Arrow Space Technologies.

The B.B.B. is ineffectual at best as they are subject to the contributions of business and tend to perform half-assed investigations concerning any a reported business. They're not for the client in short, despite what they say.

Regarding the illegal actions above, a complaintent would need to contact the Department Of Justice via filling out a complete report of the recent incident with the attached evidence of documentation backing up the complaint.

This complaint will need to have a special and legal NOTARY SEAL on the documentation before the D.O.J. will enter it into investigation status. You may obtain this seal from your local court house or through any Notary who possesses this special stamp.

Once received, they will contact you and more then likely then turn over a valid case to the Attorney General's Office for prosecution; he will in turn pass copy of it to the state and then district attorney for prosecution.

The U.S Marshals office and local police will be set into motion in the instance that a bench warrant is sworn out against the offender by the Department Of Justice.
Again, the process may differ from state to state; however, this is the jest of it all.

When the offender is charged and convicted of the crime, only then may the complaintent file civil charges in a civil court for suit against the offender in a effort to recover monies lost through misrepresentation or fraud.

As stated above, you may file a charge through a civil court against a perceived offender however this is considered a weak case in this instance without the backing of a law enforcement agency. Be safe, Have peace, Love Divinity with all your mind, body and soul. -------- Jim Morgan
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#15 Consumer Comment

A Gift Of Knowledge From Dragon Spells, By Jim Morgan

AUTHOR: DRAGON - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Saturday, February 21, 2009
A Gift Of Knowledge. Raging Against The Spell Scam Machine

KNOW YOUR SPELL CASTER AND SPELL SITE

DON'T FALL PRAY TO CON GAMES FROM FAKE CASTERS & READERS

DON'T PAY FOR YOUR IGNORANCE

Educating The Public

Greetings and welcome from Enchantress Jan Windglows and Jim Morgan of Castle Dragon's Eye, Blood Love And Lust Spells and Dragon Spells. This post is a effort to assist both Clients and potential clients considering spell work. What is magic or magick you ask ?, magical practice can be defined in numerous and specific ways that go on to evolve into various styles of ritualistic art, and technique depending on the magical discipline your viewing at the time.

Every magical system, style or religion has one thing in common and you may be asking what would this common denominator would be ?, The answer is: (Divinity). The supper glue to spiritualism if you will, the uniting factor for all faith systems and religions.

Divinity, is known by countless names such as: Jehovah, Yahweh, Alia, Jesus, God, Goddess, Angels, Yang & Yang, Ancestors, The Source and the Devil just to name a few. It doesn't matter what you choose to call Divinity as they answer not only to the names in which we choose to call them by,

but also by the yearnings of out hearts. Please know that Divinity exist with a positive purpose no matter how you call them to yourselves, it doesn't matter if you choose to believe in this Divinity or not, as it still exist and is watching your every move while judging you throughout your life as it unfolds.

Divinity is not evil in any respect as this is Humanities calling and nothing to do with anything heavenly. Divinity, can be viewed as a destructive influence in some instances, especially when things need to change positively within the world, A nation or Ones personal life to some existent,

Divinity is a positive and progressive Force Of Creation with a full awareness of all within and without its self, that moreover has a very strong sense of self-preservation being the positive progression life and creation. This Divinity in which I speak, will in fact extinguish all that it considers to be harmful or destructive to its natural growth be it in nature of a persons life.

Divinity is about life and not death, good and not evil. positive and not negative acts. Again, Divinity isn't evil by its nature, however will grant a negative request to a recipient of a prayer by design, this is done in a effort to educate that Soul concerning right wrong choice from wrong action,

or karmic repercussion and or spiritual retribution. I believe, that Divinity can and does utilizes the reward and punishment system in order to drive a message home in our lives.

For Example: Divinity will grant a persons prayer for some new hub caps for their car by either offering that person the opportunity to go out to work hard in obtaining the money to buy this item, or will allow a person to go out and steal this same item without being caught.

If the person works hard to buy the hubcaps, then not only have they went about this the right way and feel good about themselves and their efforts, but will have more then likely have supplied income to someone's family who was in turn praying for a financial miracle at the time.

They have done Divinities work in this instance by making the right choice and carrying out the correct action. Should they decide to steal the hubcaps, then Divinity will let them get away with this for a short time, that is,

until a policeman pulls this individual over and writes them a speeding ticket for three or four times what the hubcaps were worth in the first place. This applies for all life circumstances involving thought, speech and action. Divinity, is about love and justice. Again, not evil or death.

People may pray for whatever they like, and their prayers will be heard. The Consumer may choose to work through a spell caster to obtain their prayers, and yes, their prayer will be heard, however, the question is : will that prayer be granted for the Consumer ?, this is something that only Divinity knows as they are the ones in whom grant ALL spells or prayers and not the Caster.

Spells or prayers may be granted in both instances of being justified or unjustified, either as a reward or to teach a karmic lesson to the Client of a prayer, depending on the situation. The safe way to go about asking Divinity for anything is to always be justified, truthful and positive in your request.

Let me just make the distinction here between the prices that one must pay in order to be the recipient of a successful pray casting. Should you attempt to yelled a prayer to Divinity for whatever reason or thing that you may be wishing for out of life, then be prepared to under go personal positive change in the way of bettering yourself to a greater existent.

To brutally look at yourself in the mirror and determine if you are conducting your life through right thought, speech and action. Are you being fair to yourself and others, are you being a constructive member to creation or a dead cell causing disease to all that you touch.

This is hard thing to do for most, including myself as life can be difficult at times, especially when we are all suffering from some sort of life crisis at one time or another, agreed ?. When yielding your prayer through a spell caster then your still subjugated and or required to under go this same process in order to become more worthy to receive your prayer request.

Your prayer or spell will greatly depend on this (( and not the caster of your spell )), or even the spell its self. LOOK for spell casters that include this aspect of working with the client in their spell criteria and you can't go wrong.

When you as the Consumer pays a spell caster to cast a ritual for you, please know that you are paying that Caster for her time and magical knowledge along with whatever materials they might be needing for the ritualistic action taken in your behalf.

Spell casters, like any other profession such as Doctors, Lawyers and School teachers must be paid for their service in most instances or it just won't pay for them to cast spells for the public.

YOU ARE NOT paying them TO MAKE YOUR SPELL COME TRUE as this is again, up to Divinity to decide and not the Caster, it's up to you in taking responsibility for your past and present actions regarding how you have, and are co-existing with those around you.

Every one of us has Divinity within, even those in whom we think are the most worthless people in life, and thus we must take care in always doing the right thing by all concerned. This doesn't mean that we allow ourselves to be picked on unjustifiably, or that we can go around judging others because we think were better then they are.

However, it does mean that we must treat others fairly and more so temper our justice with mercy when needed. To remember that Divinity is judging us in our thoughts, speech and actions taken out either for or against others.

Depending, on the casting service you choose, will determine what kinds of services will come with a given spell action, some WILL NOT offer spiritual counseling. Why ?, because they are simply spell casters and not counselors of any kind. Some spell casters may not be good in the way of working with people but will excel as excellent spell casters.

To expect this service from a site that doesn't really offer it, is like going to a hospital and expecting them to paint your care for you. Other spell castings sites do offer this sort of service, that moreover assist you throughout your spell casting to some degree.

Yet others will make counseling the main focal point of their over all services as this is needed to guide, assist and ensure that a person has the best chances for spell success. Another thing that I'd like to mention here, and that is: The success of a counseling service will depend on the magical knowledge and life experience of the caster themself,

and thus you should ask them a few questions about your life situation before you contract any caster to determine if they can actually yield good advice to you or not.

Often times, the Consumer believes that it's better if they have more then one caster working on their case, however this isn't true at all, in fact this only causes conflict and confusion to the Clients via receiving difference of opinion coming from both casters regarding their case,,

further does absolutely no good regarding the spell work in progress, as it could ultimately harm or ruin your spell in the end. Why, well, Divinity heard the client the first time and will either grant a persons spell or not concerning how well they are doing in regards to the spell criteria.

Also, and again, no matter how many casters a person has working on their case,, spells are granted or not granted on a individuals personal efforts and not on so much what the caster has done in their behalf.

The caster can make your spell heard clearly along with guiding you through a given spells criteria or process, he or she can direct Divinities attention to a persons plight, but CAN NOT make a spell happen for a person, especially if the client isn't staying within the spell criteria.

It's up to the client at this point to give the prayer strength via their own personal efforts and by taking responsibility for their own actions both positive and negative in life, simply by following the rules of the site and karma.

Listen up guys, SPELLS CAN NOT BE GUARANTEED, why is this you ask ?, two reasons, the first of which being: spell casters can't guarantee that your going to stay within their spell criteria or site policies, and secondly, they can't speak for Divinity, the Divine Source knows every facet of your life more so then the caster and thus will make their judgment on that basis. The caster only knows what the client has told them and nothing more.

Let's take death spells for instance, let's say that a client writes in and says that they have been wronged by another and moreover that they wish death upon a person, the caster only has one side of the story at this point but agrees to perform the casting just the same.

Lets say that the prayer is yielded by the caster asking for the death of a specified person singled out by the Clients request, the spell is received by Divinity to be solely judge concerning what action should be taken toward a perceived offender.

Divinity, may choose to cause actual physical death to that person, or in most cases, a simulated death of a person by simply taking the offending person out of the clients life entirely, they do this by causing them to move away from the client, go to jail and or via other life circumstances.

in the instance of death spells, most casters will enter in a hand written letter of the client whom wishes the action to be carried out while absolving themselves of wrong doing within the death request. They do this in light that the request could be considered unjustified by Divinity, and there for protecting themselves from karmic retribution.

Casters, will tend to treat any prayer request like this, just on the off chance that a Client has forgotten to yield pertinent facts about the case. Let's call the death spell client John, perhaps john forgot to tell the caster that his target of the death spell had filed charges of rape against him, Let's say that John actually committed this crime not to mention wanting the death spell in keeping his victim from testifying against him in court, and so on.

This is why spell casters write up the spells in this way to ensure that they firstly, don't hit the wrong one or innocent person as a result, secondly, so they don't end up suffering karmic retribution as a result of going off a one sided story.

This is why we leave it up to Divinity to judge for either a granting or not granting of a prayer, Period. We only know what the Client has told us concerning their situation and further don't really have any way of checking out the validity of that story other then trusting the client.

Also, do yourself a BIG favor and don't pressure a spell caster into giving you a actual spell guarantee on any spell because your putting them on the spot. Your not being fair in this instance, if they don't guarantee you the spell, then you may not come in for the spell work that they may need to pay their rent etc,

plus you will be setting yourself up for a fall if the spell doesn't actually work out for you, or in the way that you actually wanted it. Be King and Fair to yourself and the caster.

Ok, let's talk about Tarot Readings and other forms of divination. Firstly, tarot card readings will pretty much tell you what you all ready know, and further won't tell you about the out come of spell casting, especially when you haven't had a spell cast yet. Readings, will may or may not yield your future depending on the reader and form of divination they happen to be using.

Spells, when cast, take two to four weeks to show up in a reading and sometimes longer, the universe is a huge place and it takes time to turn things around in short,.

When you try to look into the future early on, or before a casting has taken place, then this is like looking into a empty barrel expecting to find something new. Getting readings performed by Psychic Spell Casters in my opinion is a HUGE conflict of interest as they want you to buy a spell, their readings may or may not reflect this. Again, BE SMART about and consider this fact.

There are a lot of tarot and Psychic junkies out there on the net that moreover get one reading right after another and this is harmful to any spell casting as it could actually change the out come to a spell ritual or stop it entirely. Remember, your thoughts and speech are like prayers, you can actually think and speak things into reality good or bad to a extent.

If your mind is in a negative mind set due to negative readings, then negative things will come back to you. Your mind may not be in a negative place a the moment but can quickly get there should you hear one to many negative readings, or inaccurate readings.

When looking for a reader, find one that just performs readings and not spell castings. Upon finding a good reader, TELL THEM NOTHING ABOUT YOURSELF as this will corrupt their reading and or lead them in telling you what you want to hear.

Don't let them hit and miss with you, some Psychic readers will tune in to some degree and others will hit the nail on the head. Well rested readers will typically do better in yielding a accurate reading more so then a reader that is performing one reading after another,

The reason for this is that their drawing on or depleting their energies constantly, this will weaken them in time and you could get a faulty reading as a result. Again, this depends on the reader and what they can handle case wise. Some readers can handle this like some spell casters.

When a person consistently thinks or speaks about readings, castings or their over all situations, then this is like a chant as your thoughts and speech are again, prayers in themselves being said over and over. You can't forget about something if your continually thinking about it, can you ?.

The name of the game here is to not only release your prayer but to have the faith in Divinity and yourself that it will work for you, think and speak positive things and pay attention to the things you've been letting go in your life such as family, friends and paying your bills etc.

Like I said, Divinity heard you the first time, whom are further looking to see how much you really want your request to happen through your own personal self efforts of positive behavior. Thinking of something over and over again will just tire you out and slow your spell results down over all.

I don't personally advocate excessive phone or tarot readings, nor the use of mutable casters as I deem these things harmful to both the client and their spell casting. Obsessing over something or thinking about a matter consistently will also cause depression and physical illness, this is also destructive to any type of spell working as a person is actually harming themselves as a result.

Spell casting, is much more then just throwing money at another person and expecting everything to go right in ones life as a result, It more then tarot readings and spell casters or spell sites promising to do all kinds of things for you. It has everything to do with Divinity and how they view our lives and moreover how were conducting them.

As I've stated in other postings on this site, I don't condone spell castings paid or otherwise until a person has firstly made a sincere effort in resolving their problems through fair and positive means and or well thought actions, only then should a person seek out spiritual help and not before.

Life is about positive growth through trial and error, you can't grow unless you recognize your mistakes first. Magick is nothing more then a prayer spoken to the Devine Powers that be in a ancient way that's typically carried out in your behalf by a given caster, or yourself in some cases. The spell casting process takes hours of hard work coming from both the Client and Caster in the way of aliening a client with the spiritual realm, plan and simple.

To go out and contract a spell casting for yourself and not be aware of these facts above, or to ignore them all together, is nothing short of being folly on your part as the Consumer in my opinion, to contract a spell casting while thinking that the caster is a God, is nothing more then foolishness on a persons part, yes,

we have our gifts, but on the other hand we are all still made of flesh and bleed just like you. There is only One Divinity, the master of ALL creation who has known every facet of our lives from the start, PERIOD. This same Force Of Creation will be the only ones around us upon our deaths when all else has failed us.

Some people in the past thought that I explain to much to the public concerning Divinity and magical practice, however I don't feel this is so. It is my goal to yield the universal gift of Divinity to both great and small. It doesn't matter where your found in life, no more then it matters if your rich or poor as Divinity sends its message to all. All a person has to do is to listen to receive the blessings of this Force Of Creation, you may perform this through spell work or through your own positive self-efforts.

If the truth be known, my first priority and loyalty rest with Divinity, above and beyond any earthly desire, I don't seek fame or glory, I am not here to make money nor am I here to exult or cast down others as their deeds will do this for them. You shall know them by their deeds. I am here to educate. Especially in the midst of all the chaos and anarchy that I see going on within this site. I don't personally benefit from my postings other then seeing the record set straight with spell rituals and Divinity.

I would like some assistance from other good sites in spreading this message of life and light if at all possible however this is up to them. This is exactly the place where the real message of Divinity needs to be heard not to mention where the curious can actually find out how spell castings work.

This is the place where we as legitimate spell casters can start weeding out the fakery and imposters proclaiming to be Divinity themselves. I've never experienced such hatred and anger in my life as I've seen on this site. through no fault of ROR, this site seems to draw others into the chaos so easily.

We've all been drawn into this thing including myself to some degree, but there again, its not where your standing that matters so much as it is where you choose to go from here. I have found myself up here defending myself and others for two years now against some who took it upon themselves to slam us, but I have now decided that enough is enough, I've proved my case.

I choose to break the cycle now to start a new cycle of education to those that might be confused a bit on the subject of magical practice. Any spell caster worth their salt will join me in doing the same thing as it is up to us to set the record straight concerning the misconceptions people have pertaining to magical practice.

I choose to be happy in assisting the public in any way possible, while bringing back the message of Divinity to anyone who is brave enough to listen to it. This is my choice and the road I choose to walk from now on. What will your choice be, and what road will you choose to walk my friend ?. Be smart, Be safe and love Divinity with all your mind, body and soul as this is what matters the most in life.


Raging Against The Machine, Exposing Scam, Protecting The Innocent.

This post is a attempt to assist and resolve the unfortunate instances of persons being scammed out their money by fraudulent and or fake spell casters, psychic readers and others. I've researched and practiced the arts of magick for twenty-eight years now, with eight or nine of those years being on the net as a spell caster myself before my business officially closed down a couple of years back.

Janhett T. Windglows of www.bloodloveandlustspells.com is now my trusted love in whom has been gifted the remainder of Dragon Spells in the capacity of free magical information source for all to view.

She has now included all 199 pages of this copyrighted material into her her current sites under Dragon Spells archives. Both Jan and myself thought it extremely important to address these topics regarding magical practice and the fraud occurring in and around this profession.

And so, in the name of Divinity do we write this post in order to help, assist and save Divinities children from these Imposters. I would also strongly encourage other up right magick sites to stand against these same imposters as our very good names are under attack as a result of their negative and harmful deeds against the innocent.

The art of magick is a holy thing to both Jan and I not to mention both of us being great lovers of Divinity and all things spiritual. The scamming on the Internet must stop, however we in the magical community can't do it alone, and urgently need your assistance in resolving this matter through your own self- education and efforts.

Only you can stop the scam before it turns into a scam. Think about it, Expose the scam artist, cut off their money supply through this espouser, then sit back and watch the internet become clean and free of them. They will leave because there's no more blood to suck or ignorance to pray off of in short.

The content of this post will typically convey not only my personal observations and beliefs, but the shard experiences of others regarding the subject of magical practice. Some practicing persons of the art may not agree with some or all of my statements; however, they are always free to dispute what I personally know to be long held truths concerning this subject.

Let me first start off by saying that magical practice is a discipline, like any other discipline, that moreover takes unending dedication and on going sacrifice demanded of the Practitioner over the span of many years. It's just not something that you can learn overnight or from one or two books.

Also, Spell casting its self is a very small aspect to the over all faith system for most men and women of the magical arts, that some may or may not choose to incorporate into their over all belief system. A strict code of spiritual conduct is in play a great deal of the time and must be followed inherently in order to maintain one's communication and or working relationship to the Divine.

This is done through a person's right thought, speech and action and therefore causing this shared relationship to endure and become strong between the casters and the Divine Source, or Divinity as I like to address Them.

This same relationship must also be taught and passed to the Client of any magical operation to have any hope for spell success as it is Divinity that grants a prayer and not the caster. A common person may achieve their dreams without the use of magick through a proper relationship to the divine source, however it does take a lot of hard spiritual and mental work to get there.

Nothing is free in Heaven or earth, and their is a price to pay for everything that we want out of life, however this price has nothing to do with money more so then it has to do with positive self-growth and change.

There are numerous faith systems existing and skirting the three mainstream religions better known as Islam, Judaism and Christianity, and it is these more recent faith systems or disciplines past these three systems mentioned above that go on to be represented on the net as spiritual spell casting sites.

Some examples of these more recent sites are predominately the Voo Doo and Wicca sites just to name a few that we see all over place these days. These particular new age sites typically have their origins deeply rooted in the past predating the three main religions above, but in essence have developed more so into free style, or liberal type systems of belief and not really emanating the dogma of the prototype earth faith systems from which they were derived.

In light of these varying systems of faith that are moreover stemming from the past, and were primarily drawn off of elemental worship in the beginning, please note that these faith systems also varied in practice from region to region. It only stands to reason that the offspring of these older or ancient systems would expand and project a wide and diverse array of beliefs and magical technique as can be seen currently on the Internet;

especially when a general system such as the bible wasn't existent in the beginning of this earth faith based creation period was commonly practiced. Ok, what does all this mean? It means that when a person goes on the net looking for a spell caster, this is like being lost in the chaotic jungle of numerous faiths and practices. It means that a person can be taken in quite easily; especially if their not familiar with magical practice of any kind. A person can become open to scam artist pretending to be a legitimate spell caster or psychic.

The Internet is a place where one can find old world witchcraft merging in with Voo Doo and Wicca on occasion, where old testament magick intertwines with the new testament and Chinese faith systems. Further, where you can find a place for the ancient Babylonian Gods and Goddesses coinciding with the angels of King Solomon, lol? A bit confusing, isn't it ?

This is why you should ask numerous questions to guard yourself against fraud as anyone can make up a fake magical system and bedazzle you with promises of future happenings.

Take the time to read the site, then step back to see if any of it makes sense to you, check the site out by speaking to the site owner while cross referencing it with known magical practices if you can. There's plenty of material on the net outlining the magical disciplines and the magical techniques they use. Don't be a fool, Use your head, If it sounds to easy. If it sounds to good to be true then chances are it's something you should look at further before sending your money out.

I hear the word 'scam' being screamed out and echoed across the universe these days regarding white and black magic or magick sites, but what does this word really mean, I ask you? (( A quote from Wikipedia)) - A scam is a confidence trick. 1. A ploy by a shyster to raise money. 2. A fraudulent business scheme. To 'scam' means to victimize, deprive of by deceit; 'He swindled me out of my inheritance'; 'She defrauded the customers who trusted her'; 'the cashier gypped me when he gave me too little change' 3.

A confidence trick, confidence game, or 'con' for short (also known as a scam) is an attempt to intentionally mislead a person or persons (known as 'the mark') usually with the goal of financial or other gain. The confidence trickster, con man, scam artist or con artist often works with an accomplice called the 'shill', who tries to encourage the mark by pretending to believe the trickster. By Jennifer S.F., end of quote.

Obviously, no real spell caster or person that follows any kind of a spiritual pursuit will engage in this sort of activity, this goes against the very nature of walking a spiritual path and is more so highly contradictory to what a person is trying to accomplish in their life such as achieving spiritual peace through divine knowledge and conduct.

The type of activity stated and quoted above belongs solely to the unscrupulous person who has no fear or respect for Divinity, not to mention fearing any karmic retribution coming back from the negative acts they tend to carry out on a daily basis. These are is just a few things that separate the scam artist from the legitimate spell caster and or spiritual person.

Ok, now that we have established the difference between the spiritual person and the scam artist, lets explore the conflict that has been taking place on the net between the Client and Spell Caster, let's do this via the definition of a binding contractual agreement as follows:

Again, a quote by Wikipedia, That depends. First, the agreement must be a contract, which means there must be an offer, an acceptance, consideration (value exchanged) and a lawful purpose. The exact definition of each of those terms depends on state law. Second, some contracts can only be enforced in court if they have been signed.

For example, contracts that cannot be performed in one year, or for an interest in land must be signed. Each state has slightly different rules on which contracts must be signed. Those rules are known, collectively, as the 'Statute of Frauds'. However, even if you have a valid oral contract that does in fact violate the statute of frauds, you may have a difficult time proving it without some sort of documentary evidence such as witnesses to contract. In conclusion its best to get everything signed and in writing, end of quote.

In light of the definition above referring to the verbal agreement, I would speculate, that in some instances of reported fraud up here on Rip Off Report, would and are more or less misunderstandings of the contractual agreements made between Client and Caster, and not likely fraud itself.

In other instances where fraud has actually occurred as stated above in the definition, it is hard to prove, unless the victim of the crime has a witness to the contract, recorded or written evidence to support their claim of wrong doing such as emails, phone records, receipts, etc.

Let me further yield my definition of spell fraud. For example: Let's assume that a person comes in to a site looking for spell work, let's continue to say that the caster makes guarantees to that perspective client of a given spell casting, in saying that the spell will work for you within three days, moreover without mentioning any possibilities of it not working for the perspective client at all,

or telling them directly that there isn't any possibilities of it not working for them. This is a statement and promise to the client at this point in time that further convinces that client to come in for the spell through a verbal or gentleman's agreement. The client sends the requested funds to the caster via postal mail, pay pal or wire and the caster begins work upon receiving the needed payment and items.

If the Caster verbally 'GUARANTEED' the casting and the spell doesn't work as the caster said it would in three days, then this is technically fraud as this client would have never contracted the caster had he or she told them that there was a possibility of the spell not working for them at all.

The client was under the impression that it was going to simply work and wasn't told any different; or was told directly that the spell couldn't fail. If the caster implied that the spell would work, but made no guarantees to the client, and said nothing about the possibility of the spell not working for whatever reason.

Then this this could be considered the obtainment of moneys through misleading speech via not disclosing all the necessary spell facts. This falls under unethical practices more so than fraud as there was misleading speech taking place against the person via the withholding of information that the client needed to base their decision on etc.

But there again, this is why the client should ask a lot of questions should the caster either intentionally or unintentionally fail to bring something up. Ask a lot of hard and direct questions before giving any monies over to a on-line caster or land based spell caster. In other words, if your looking for spell work, be smart and don't let anyone take advantage of your ignorance pertaining to the matter of magical operation. Don't pay dearly for your ignorance folks.

It's very important for a perspective client to understand what is needed, and or expected from them regarding any spell work offered FROM THE START; Not during or after the work is complete, But From The Start. It's Again, very important that a client has a very realistic view or goals of what is, or could be obtained from spell work before entering into any spell process.

Lastly, It is EXTREMELY IMPORTANT to stay within the guidelines of the site regarding the offered spell criteria should the client decide to engage in any kind of magical operation with a spell casting site or land based casting business. Don't go into a process especially if you don't think you can adhere to the rules as this isn't fair to the spell caster or you, this will only cause major problems and bad feelings down the road.

The best way to avoid being scammed or misunderstanding the contract in which you might be getting yourself into, is to ask a lot of pertinent questions. To check the site out via the B.B.B. and licensing commission of the state the site is registered in. Of course, you may use Rip Off Report as a indicator of what kind of site you may be completing spell work with, however don't let your investigation stop here as the information your getting may or may not be entirely correct. Questions a perspective Client can ask: 1- How long has your business been in practice? 2- Do you have a license to practice and in what state?. 3- What exactly will be expected of me personally regarding my spell?

4- What can I SPECIFICALLY expect in the way of spell results? ( get this answer from the potential caster in a email or hard copy letter.) 5- Can you send me a policy sheet regarding the things I should do and the things to stay away from during this process? 6- May I have a copy of your disclaimer? 7- What happens if my spell doesn't work, and will I be charged again?

8- Do you guarantee your spells? (If they actually guarantee a spell, THEN RUN.) Guaranteeing sub services that come with the spell in some instances such spiritual counseling or providing spell pictures are things that can be easily carried out or guaranteed as 'services'.

You can't guarantee the spell operation itself; as this is like guaranteeing that it will rain tomorrow or that the wind will stop blowing all week long. Knowledge is power folks, so be a smart shopper. If a site guarantees that your spell will occur and it doesn't work, then DEMAND a refund immediately, or take this issue to one of the suggested state or federal agencies below.

As I've stated in many other reports up on Rip Off Report, Any legit spell casting services will have no problem in addressing these questions for you. You can then distinguish the scam artist from the real spell casters through your knowledge obtained. Fake casters won't address these questions for you and will moreover become evasive concerning these questions and issues put before them. Perform a background check on a potential spell caster to be safe and DON'T FEEL

PRESSURED in quickly sending your funds off to anyone no matter what the caster or anyone else says until your completely satisfied with what you have learned and feel comfortable with it all, no matter how badly you want a certain spell ritual. Watch out for fake casters that try to scare you into buying spells from them via giving you terrible readings or visions in what your future might hold for you.

Don't be BULLIED, BELITTLED OR TAUNTED into buying spell castings. It's better to be safe then scammed, wouldn't you say? ONLY YOU CAN STOP SCAMS before they occur.

What is magick you ask? Magick is a holy communication that takes place between You, the Caster and Divinity. A prayer to the Divine Powers that be made in your behalf by the Caster, A positive joint effort of souls regarding the out come of one's life through a spiritual request. Magick is real, It's not a joke, no more then it's fun time or parlor tricks;

it's something serious that a person should think long and hard about before jumping into, be they a new caster or a client. Real magick is not to be played with nor taunted; least your ready to pay the price. To those that scam people out there, well, your on notice and will be dealt with in good time.

To those REAL spell casters who fight the good fight and carry on Divinity's teachings, my hat is off to you. Moving on, I don't advocate spell castings paid or otherwise unless a person has exhausted every other avenue of resolving a problematic situation in their personal life through other conventional means such as good communications and or the use of the court system in some instances. In other words, why bother Divinity if you can handle it yourself.

Most magical people love the clients in which they work, they will, in fact go the extra mile for the client however It's important for the client to realize that magical people are just that, (( PEOPLE )), just like you. We're not Demy Gods more so then just ordinary people living our lives in extraordinary ways,

yes, we have gifts, or curses that might be considered gifts when looking from the out side in, but still, just people. People that deal with nothing but crisis most of the time and only see the harsh realities of what goes on in other peoples lives around the clock, month after month and year after year.

We are not perfect ourselves, all though this is our goal at times, lol. We have the same likes and dislikes as most other people not to mention our down sides or mood swings so please be as understanding as you can with us when dealing with a real spell caster.

We have dedicated our lives in serving Divinity and you, that have in many instances gone through the same things that our clients are coming to us to fix them now. Sometimes a client can learn more by listening to their caster rather then trying to speak over them.

People, if you find fraudulent spell casters on the net, then expos them for the sake of all of us out here, but do it the right way. Make sure they are fakes before you condemn them on the open air ways, make sure your reasons for doing so are correct. Think about it, what if you are condemning the wrong caster that is moreover acting in the capacity of a diplomat between heaven and earth.

This would most certainly have long reaching effects in your life be you a Atheist, Christian or other. I've had my conflicts up here on this site with others, however I've tried to present the facts as I've seen them and moreover proved my case for the most part, and thereof exposing what I believe to be fake magick sites and the negative actions they have carried out against others.

In short, it's not about pointing the finger or hurt feelings so much as it is proving your case beyond a reasonable doubt to the public should a conflict occur, if at all possible, and given the circumstance of Rip Off Report. Coming up here to vent and or just to blast another site or person is absolutely the biggest waste of time ever; especially when you don't have much or anything in the way of

substantiating your case, so why do it? Why upset yourself or expose your statements to public ridicule from those who have drawn their own conclusions via the lack of proof from either side? or one side in particular.

Why subject yourself to Hecklers or the one your reporting harassing you through several anonymous names and so on. If you have a problem with your caster and you find yourself on the short end of the stick then get real about it and pursue them through legal means via your documentation.

HAVE YOU BEEN SCAMMED? If you feel that you have been scammed by a given magick site, be it on-line or off, here are a few options that you can pursue. Let's first look at land based psychic spell caster scams. If you again, feel like you've been scammed, then the first option is to report this activity to your local police along with a in-depth report outlining the offense that has taken place,

you will also be required to back up your statements with verifiable and creditable proof in the way of eye witness accounts, recordings or documentation.

This information will be passed over to the District Attorney's Office and he or she will investigate it through the Department Of Justice depending on the amount of money lost and or other offences that may have taken place. Should the D.A. find that a report has substance to it , then this office may turn a company over to the county licensing and zoning not to mention the U.S Marshal's office.

In the many instances that a report is found credible, the business bureau authorities will pull the licenses and close the establishment until the investigation is complete and or the accused is either found guilty or innocent to some varying degree by the courts.

The codes and penalties of fraud are clear and decisive in most counties and states however may differ from state to state in who will pick up or carry the charge against the offender.

Most law enforcement agencies will also make a clear distinction between actual criminal act and civil matters; and thus, a complaintent might have to pursue their grievance through the civil courts solely, should law enforcement find the complaint in the civil arena instead of the criminal realm.

Again, file your report with your local police department then follow it up with the local district or state attorney's office in the instance of a land based business infraction. In the case of Internet fraud, The Internet is a HUGE legal gray area to start off with and often times land based laws, simply can't or won't apply on the air ways, or from state to state.

Many states have varying laws regarding what they consider to be fraudulent act; and will handle it concerning what local and state laws dictate concerning this issue, not all states agree in short and seemingly have a lot of trouble with jurisdiction issues.

In light of this fact, most counties and states would rather not deal with such internet issues or crimes as: on-line stalking, on-line harassment, Internet fraud, phone and email harassment or slander issues in most cases and thus these offenses become the property of federal jurisdiction and not county or state. Many out there on the net will tend to turn their complaints into the F.B.I., I.R.S, A.T.F., and other government agencies; however,

these law enforcement agencies may look at, but won't really investigate Internet complaints,, they deal with actual physical or tax crimes referred to as 'capital crimes' in some cases that occur against the state or federal government in short.

The B.B.B. is neither a federal or state agency, but rather a company like any other in the private sector operating under federal guidelines much like a bank or firm that has been contracted by the government like Nassa Arrow Space Technologies.

The B.B.B. is ineffectual at best as they are subject to the contributions of business and tend to perform half-assed investigations concerning any a reported business. They're not for the client in short, despite what they say.

Regarding the illegal actions above, a complaintent would need to contact the Department Of Justice via filling out a complete report of the recent incident with the attached evidence of documentation backing up the complaint.

This complaint will need to have a special and legal NOTARY SEAL on the documentation before the D.O.J. will enter it into investigation status. You may obtain this seal from your local court house or through any Notary who possesses this special stamp.

Once received, they will contact you and more then likely then turn over a valid case to the Attorney General's Office for prosecution; he will in turn pass copy of it to the state and then district attorney for prosecution.

The U.S Marshals office and local police will be set into motion in the instance that a bench warrant is sworn out against the offender by the Department Of Justice.
Again, the process may differ from state to state; however, this is the jest of it all.

When the offender is charged and convicted of the crime, only then may the complaintent file civil charges in a civil court for suit against the offender in a effort to recover monies lost through misrepresentation or fraud.

As stated above, you may file a charge through a civil court against a perceived offender however this is considered a weak case in this instance without the backing of a law enforcement agency. Be safe, Have peace, Love Divinity with all your mind, body and soul. -------- Jim Morgan
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#14 Consumer Comment

A Gift Of Knowledge From Dragon Spells, By Jim Morgan

AUTHOR: DRAGON - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Saturday, February 21, 2009
A Gift Of Knowledge. Raging Against The Spell Scam Machine

KNOW YOUR SPELL CASTER AND SPELL SITE

DON'T FALL PRAY TO CON GAMES FROM FAKE CASTERS & READERS

DON'T PAY FOR YOUR IGNORANCE

Educating The Public

Greetings and welcome from Enchantress Jan Windglows and Jim Morgan of Castle Dragon's Eye, Blood Love And Lust Spells and Dragon Spells. This post is a effort to assist both Clients and potential clients considering spell work. What is magic or magick you ask ?, magical practice can be defined in numerous and specific ways that go on to evolve into various styles of ritualistic art, and technique depending on the magical discipline your viewing at the time.

Every magical system, style or religion has one thing in common and you may be asking what would this common denominator would be ?, The answer is: (Divinity). The supper glue to spiritualism if you will, the uniting factor for all faith systems and religions.

Divinity, is known by countless names such as: Jehovah, Yahweh, Alia, Jesus, God, Goddess, Angels, Yang & Yang, Ancestors, The Source and the Devil just to name a few. It doesn't matter what you choose to call Divinity as they answer not only to the names in which we choose to call them by,

but also by the yearnings of out hearts. Please know that Divinity exist with a positive purpose no matter how you call them to yourselves, it doesn't matter if you choose to believe in this Divinity or not, as it still exist and is watching your every move while judging you throughout your life as it unfolds.

Divinity is not evil in any respect as this is Humanities calling and nothing to do with anything heavenly. Divinity, can be viewed as a destructive influence in some instances, especially when things need to change positively within the world, A nation or Ones personal life to some existent,

Divinity is a positive and progressive Force Of Creation with a full awareness of all within and without its self, that moreover has a very strong sense of self-preservation being the positive progression life and creation. This Divinity in which I speak, will in fact extinguish all that it considers to be harmful or destructive to its natural growth be it in nature of a persons life.

Divinity is about life and not death, good and not evil. positive and not negative acts. Again, Divinity isn't evil by its nature, however will grant a negative request to a recipient of a prayer by design, this is done in a effort to educate that Soul concerning right wrong choice from wrong action,

or karmic repercussion and or spiritual retribution. I believe, that Divinity can and does utilizes the reward and punishment system in order to drive a message home in our lives.

For Example: Divinity will grant a persons prayer for some new hub caps for their car by either offering that person the opportunity to go out to work hard in obtaining the money to buy this item, or will allow a person to go out and steal this same item without being caught.

If the person works hard to buy the hubcaps, then not only have they went about this the right way and feel good about themselves and their efforts, but will have more then likely have supplied income to someone's family who was in turn praying for a financial miracle at the time.

They have done Divinities work in this instance by making the right choice and carrying out the correct action. Should they decide to steal the hubcaps, then Divinity will let them get away with this for a short time, that is,

until a policeman pulls this individual over and writes them a speeding ticket for three or four times what the hubcaps were worth in the first place. This applies for all life circumstances involving thought, speech and action. Divinity, is about love and justice. Again, not evil or death.

People may pray for whatever they like, and their prayers will be heard. The Consumer may choose to work through a spell caster to obtain their prayers, and yes, their prayer will be heard, however, the question is : will that prayer be granted for the Consumer ?, this is something that only Divinity knows as they are the ones in whom grant ALL spells or prayers and not the Caster.

Spells or prayers may be granted in both instances of being justified or unjustified, either as a reward or to teach a karmic lesson to the Client of a prayer, depending on the situation. The safe way to go about asking Divinity for anything is to always be justified, truthful and positive in your request.

Let me just make the distinction here between the prices that one must pay in order to be the recipient of a successful pray casting. Should you attempt to yelled a prayer to Divinity for whatever reason or thing that you may be wishing for out of life, then be prepared to under go personal positive change in the way of bettering yourself to a greater existent.

To brutally look at yourself in the mirror and determine if you are conducting your life through right thought, speech and action. Are you being fair to yourself and others, are you being a constructive member to creation or a dead cell causing disease to all that you touch.

This is hard thing to do for most, including myself as life can be difficult at times, especially when we are all suffering from some sort of life crisis at one time or another, agreed ?. When yielding your prayer through a spell caster then your still subjugated and or required to under go this same process in order to become more worthy to receive your prayer request.

Your prayer or spell will greatly depend on this (( and not the caster of your spell )), or even the spell its self. LOOK for spell casters that include this aspect of working with the client in their spell criteria and you can't go wrong.

When you as the Consumer pays a spell caster to cast a ritual for you, please know that you are paying that Caster for her time and magical knowledge along with whatever materials they might be needing for the ritualistic action taken in your behalf.

Spell casters, like any other profession such as Doctors, Lawyers and School teachers must be paid for their service in most instances or it just won't pay for them to cast spells for the public.

YOU ARE NOT paying them TO MAKE YOUR SPELL COME TRUE as this is again, up to Divinity to decide and not the Caster, it's up to you in taking responsibility for your past and present actions regarding how you have, and are co-existing with those around you.

Every one of us has Divinity within, even those in whom we think are the most worthless people in life, and thus we must take care in always doing the right thing by all concerned. This doesn't mean that we allow ourselves to be picked on unjustifiably, or that we can go around judging others because we think were better then they are.

However, it does mean that we must treat others fairly and more so temper our justice with mercy when needed. To remember that Divinity is judging us in our thoughts, speech and actions taken out either for or against others.

Depending, on the casting service you choose, will determine what kinds of services will come with a given spell action, some WILL NOT offer spiritual counseling. Why ?, because they are simply spell casters and not counselors of any kind. Some spell casters may not be good in the way of working with people but will excel as excellent spell casters.

To expect this service from a site that doesn't really offer it, is like going to a hospital and expecting them to paint your care for you. Other spell castings sites do offer this sort of service, that moreover assist you throughout your spell casting to some degree.

Yet others will make counseling the main focal point of their over all services as this is needed to guide, assist and ensure that a person has the best chances for spell success. Another thing that I'd like to mention here, and that is: The success of a counseling service will depend on the magical knowledge and life experience of the caster themself,

and thus you should ask them a few questions about your life situation before you contract any caster to determine if they can actually yield good advice to you or not.

Often times, the Consumer believes that it's better if they have more then one caster working on their case, however this isn't true at all, in fact this only causes conflict and confusion to the Clients via receiving difference of opinion coming from both casters regarding their case,,

further does absolutely no good regarding the spell work in progress, as it could ultimately harm or ruin your spell in the end. Why, well, Divinity heard the client the first time and will either grant a persons spell or not concerning how well they are doing in regards to the spell criteria.

Also, and again, no matter how many casters a person has working on their case,, spells are granted or not granted on a individuals personal efforts and not on so much what the caster has done in their behalf.

The caster can make your spell heard clearly along with guiding you through a given spells criteria or process, he or she can direct Divinities attention to a persons plight, but CAN NOT make a spell happen for a person, especially if the client isn't staying within the spell criteria.

It's up to the client at this point to give the prayer strength via their own personal efforts and by taking responsibility for their own actions both positive and negative in life, simply by following the rules of the site and karma.

Listen up guys, SPELLS CAN NOT BE GUARANTEED, why is this you ask ?, two reasons, the first of which being: spell casters can't guarantee that your going to stay within their spell criteria or site policies, and secondly, they can't speak for Divinity, the Divine Source knows every facet of your life more so then the caster and thus will make their judgment on that basis. The caster only knows what the client has told them and nothing more.

Let's take death spells for instance, let's say that a client writes in and says that they have been wronged by another and moreover that they wish death upon a person, the caster only has one side of the story at this point but agrees to perform the casting just the same.

Lets say that the prayer is yielded by the caster asking for the death of a specified person singled out by the Clients request, the spell is received by Divinity to be solely judge concerning what action should be taken toward a perceived offender.

Divinity, may choose to cause actual physical death to that person, or in most cases, a simulated death of a person by simply taking the offending person out of the clients life entirely, they do this by causing them to move away from the client, go to jail and or via other life circumstances.

in the instance of death spells, most casters will enter in a hand written letter of the client whom wishes the action to be carried out while absolving themselves of wrong doing within the death request. They do this in light that the request could be considered unjustified by Divinity, and there for protecting themselves from karmic retribution.

Casters, will tend to treat any prayer request like this, just on the off chance that a Client has forgotten to yield pertinent facts about the case. Let's call the death spell client John, perhaps john forgot to tell the caster that his target of the death spell had filed charges of rape against him, Let's say that John actually committed this crime not to mention wanting the death spell in keeping his victim from testifying against him in court, and so on.

This is why spell casters write up the spells in this way to ensure that they firstly, don't hit the wrong one or innocent person as a result, secondly, so they don't end up suffering karmic retribution as a result of going off a one sided story.

This is why we leave it up to Divinity to judge for either a granting or not granting of a prayer, Period. We only know what the Client has told us concerning their situation and further don't really have any way of checking out the validity of that story other then trusting the client.

Also, do yourself a BIG favor and don't pressure a spell caster into giving you a actual spell guarantee on any spell because your putting them on the spot. Your not being fair in this instance, if they don't guarantee you the spell, then you may not come in for the spell work that they may need to pay their rent etc,

plus you will be setting yourself up for a fall if the spell doesn't actually work out for you, or in the way that you actually wanted it. Be King and Fair to yourself and the caster.

Ok, let's talk about Tarot Readings and other forms of divination. Firstly, tarot card readings will pretty much tell you what you all ready know, and further won't tell you about the out come of spell casting, especially when you haven't had a spell cast yet. Readings, will may or may not yield your future depending on the reader and form of divination they happen to be using.

Spells, when cast, take two to four weeks to show up in a reading and sometimes longer, the universe is a huge place and it takes time to turn things around in short,.

When you try to look into the future early on, or before a casting has taken place, then this is like looking into a empty barrel expecting to find something new. Getting readings performed by Psychic Spell Casters in my opinion is a HUGE conflict of interest as they want you to buy a spell, their readings may or may not reflect this. Again, BE SMART about and consider this fact.

There are a lot of tarot and Psychic junkies out there on the net that moreover get one reading right after another and this is harmful to any spell casting as it could actually change the out come to a spell ritual or stop it entirely. Remember, your thoughts and speech are like prayers, you can actually think and speak things into reality good or bad to a extent.

If your mind is in a negative mind set due to negative readings, then negative things will come back to you. Your mind may not be in a negative place a the moment but can quickly get there should you hear one to many negative readings, or inaccurate readings.

When looking for a reader, find one that just performs readings and not spell castings. Upon finding a good reader, TELL THEM NOTHING ABOUT YOURSELF as this will corrupt their reading and or lead them in telling you what you want to hear.

Don't let them hit and miss with you, some Psychic readers will tune in to some degree and others will hit the nail on the head. Well rested readers will typically do better in yielding a accurate reading more so then a reader that is performing one reading after another,

The reason for this is that their drawing on or depleting their energies constantly, this will weaken them in time and you could get a faulty reading as a result. Again, this depends on the reader and what they can handle case wise. Some readers can handle this like some spell casters.

When a person consistently thinks or speaks about readings, castings or their over all situations, then this is like a chant as your thoughts and speech are again, prayers in themselves being said over and over. You can't forget about something if your continually thinking about it, can you ?.

The name of the game here is to not only release your prayer but to have the faith in Divinity and yourself that it will work for you, think and speak positive things and pay attention to the things you've been letting go in your life such as family, friends and paying your bills etc.

Like I said, Divinity heard you the first time, whom are further looking to see how much you really want your request to happen through your own personal self efforts of positive behavior. Thinking of something over and over again will just tire you out and slow your spell results down over all.

I don't personally advocate excessive phone or tarot readings, nor the use of mutable casters as I deem these things harmful to both the client and their spell casting. Obsessing over something or thinking about a matter consistently will also cause depression and physical illness, this is also destructive to any type of spell working as a person is actually harming themselves as a result.

Spell casting, is much more then just throwing money at another person and expecting everything to go right in ones life as a result, It more then tarot readings and spell casters or spell sites promising to do all kinds of things for you. It has everything to do with Divinity and how they view our lives and moreover how were conducting them.

As I've stated in other postings on this site, I don't condone spell castings paid or otherwise until a person has firstly made a sincere effort in resolving their problems through fair and positive means and or well thought actions, only then should a person seek out spiritual help and not before.

Life is about positive growth through trial and error, you can't grow unless you recognize your mistakes first. Magick is nothing more then a prayer spoken to the Devine Powers that be in a ancient way that's typically carried out in your behalf by a given caster, or yourself in some cases. The spell casting process takes hours of hard work coming from both the Client and Caster in the way of aliening a client with the spiritual realm, plan and simple.

To go out and contract a spell casting for yourself and not be aware of these facts above, or to ignore them all together, is nothing short of being folly on your part as the Consumer in my opinion, to contract a spell casting while thinking that the caster is a God, is nothing more then foolishness on a persons part, yes,

we have our gifts, but on the other hand we are all still made of flesh and bleed just like you. There is only One Divinity, the master of ALL creation who has known every facet of our lives from the start, PERIOD. This same Force Of Creation will be the only ones around us upon our deaths when all else has failed us.

Some people in the past thought that I explain to much to the public concerning Divinity and magical practice, however I don't feel this is so. It is my goal to yield the universal gift of Divinity to both great and small. It doesn't matter where your found in life, no more then it matters if your rich or poor as Divinity sends its message to all. All a person has to do is to listen to receive the blessings of this Force Of Creation, you may perform this through spell work or through your own positive self-efforts.

If the truth be known, my first priority and loyalty rest with Divinity, above and beyond any earthly desire, I don't seek fame or glory, I am not here to make money nor am I here to exult or cast down others as their deeds will do this for them. You shall know them by their deeds. I am here to educate. Especially in the midst of all the chaos and anarchy that I see going on within this site. I don't personally benefit from my postings other then seeing the record set straight with spell rituals and Divinity.

I would like some assistance from other good sites in spreading this message of life and light if at all possible however this is up to them. This is exactly the place where the real message of Divinity needs to be heard not to mention where the curious can actually find out how spell castings work.

This is the place where we as legitimate spell casters can start weeding out the fakery and imposters proclaiming to be Divinity themselves. I've never experienced such hatred and anger in my life as I've seen on this site. through no fault of ROR, this site seems to draw others into the chaos so easily.

We've all been drawn into this thing including myself to some degree, but there again, its not where your standing that matters so much as it is where you choose to go from here. I have found myself up here defending myself and others for two years now against some who took it upon themselves to slam us, but I have now decided that enough is enough, I've proved my case.

I choose to break the cycle now to start a new cycle of education to those that might be confused a bit on the subject of magical practice. Any spell caster worth their salt will join me in doing the same thing as it is up to us to set the record straight concerning the misconceptions people have pertaining to magical practice.

I choose to be happy in assisting the public in any way possible, while bringing back the message of Divinity to anyone who is brave enough to listen to it. This is my choice and the road I choose to walk from now on. What will your choice be, and what road will you choose to walk my friend ?. Be smart, Be safe and love Divinity with all your mind, body and soul as this is what matters the most in life.


Raging Against The Machine, Exposing Scam, Protecting The Innocent.

This post is a attempt to assist and resolve the unfortunate instances of persons being scammed out their money by fraudulent and or fake spell casters, psychic readers and others. I've researched and practiced the arts of magick for twenty-eight years now, with eight or nine of those years being on the net as a spell caster myself before my business officially closed down a couple of years back.

Janhett T. Windglows of www.bloodloveandlustspells.com is now my trusted love in whom has been gifted the remainder of Dragon Spells in the capacity of free magical information source for all to view.

She has now included all 199 pages of this copyrighted material into her her current sites under Dragon Spells archives. Both Jan and myself thought it extremely important to address these topics regarding magical practice and the fraud occurring in and around this profession.

And so, in the name of Divinity do we write this post in order to help, assist and save Divinities children from these Imposters. I would also strongly encourage other up right magick sites to stand against these same imposters as our very good names are under attack as a result of their negative and harmful deeds against the innocent.

The art of magick is a holy thing to both Jan and I not to mention both of us being great lovers of Divinity and all things spiritual. The scamming on the Internet must stop, however we in the magical community can't do it alone, and urgently need your assistance in resolving this matter through your own self- education and efforts.

Only you can stop the scam before it turns into a scam. Think about it, Expose the scam artist, cut off their money supply through this espouser, then sit back and watch the internet become clean and free of them. They will leave because there's no more blood to suck or ignorance to pray off of in short.

The content of this post will typically convey not only my personal observations and beliefs, but the shard experiences of others regarding the subject of magical practice. Some practicing persons of the art may not agree with some or all of my statements; however, they are always free to dispute what I personally know to be long held truths concerning this subject.

Let me first start off by saying that magical practice is a discipline, like any other discipline, that moreover takes unending dedication and on going sacrifice demanded of the Practitioner over the span of many years. It's just not something that you can learn overnight or from one or two books.

Also, Spell casting its self is a very small aspect to the over all faith system for most men and women of the magical arts, that some may or may not choose to incorporate into their over all belief system. A strict code of spiritual conduct is in play a great deal of the time and must be followed inherently in order to maintain one's communication and or working relationship to the Divine.

This is done through a person's right thought, speech and action and therefore causing this shared relationship to endure and become strong between the casters and the Divine Source, or Divinity as I like to address Them.

This same relationship must also be taught and passed to the Client of any magical operation to have any hope for spell success as it is Divinity that grants a prayer and not the caster. A common person may achieve their dreams without the use of magick through a proper relationship to the divine source, however it does take a lot of hard spiritual and mental work to get there.

Nothing is free in Heaven or earth, and their is a price to pay for everything that we want out of life, however this price has nothing to do with money more so then it has to do with positive self-growth and change.

There are numerous faith systems existing and skirting the three mainstream religions better known as Islam, Judaism and Christianity, and it is these more recent faith systems or disciplines past these three systems mentioned above that go on to be represented on the net as spiritual spell casting sites.

Some examples of these more recent sites are predominately the Voo Doo and Wicca sites just to name a few that we see all over place these days. These particular new age sites typically have their origins deeply rooted in the past predating the three main religions above, but in essence have developed more so into free style, or liberal type systems of belief and not really emanating the dogma of the prototype earth faith systems from which they were derived.

In light of these varying systems of faith that are moreover stemming from the past, and were primarily drawn off of elemental worship in the beginning, please note that these faith systems also varied in practice from region to region. It only stands to reason that the offspring of these older or ancient systems would expand and project a wide and diverse array of beliefs and magical technique as can be seen currently on the Internet;

especially when a general system such as the bible wasn't existent in the beginning of this earth faith based creation period was commonly practiced. Ok, what does all this mean? It means that when a person goes on the net looking for a spell caster, this is like being lost in the chaotic jungle of numerous faiths and practices. It means that a person can be taken in quite easily; especially if their not familiar with magical practice of any kind. A person can become open to scam artist pretending to be a legitimate spell caster or psychic.

The Internet is a place where one can find old world witchcraft merging in with Voo Doo and Wicca on occasion, where old testament magick intertwines with the new testament and Chinese faith systems. Further, where you can find a place for the ancient Babylonian Gods and Goddesses coinciding with the angels of King Solomon, lol? A bit confusing, isn't it ?

This is why you should ask numerous questions to guard yourself against fraud as anyone can make up a fake magical system and bedazzle you with promises of future happenings.

Take the time to read the site, then step back to see if any of it makes sense to you, check the site out by speaking to the site owner while cross referencing it with known magical practices if you can. There's plenty of material on the net outlining the magical disciplines and the magical techniques they use. Don't be a fool, Use your head, If it sounds to easy. If it sounds to good to be true then chances are it's something you should look at further before sending your money out.

I hear the word 'scam' being screamed out and echoed across the universe these days regarding white and black magic or magick sites, but what does this word really mean, I ask you? (( A quote from Wikipedia)) - A scam is a confidence trick. 1. A ploy by a shyster to raise money. 2. A fraudulent business scheme. To 'scam' means to victimize, deprive of by deceit; 'He swindled me out of my inheritance'; 'She defrauded the customers who trusted her'; 'the cashier gypped me when he gave me too little change' 3.

A confidence trick, confidence game, or 'con' for short (also known as a scam) is an attempt to intentionally mislead a person or persons (known as 'the mark') usually with the goal of financial or other gain. The confidence trickster, con man, scam artist or con artist often works with an accomplice called the 'shill', who tries to encourage the mark by pretending to believe the trickster. By Jennifer S.F., end of quote.

Obviously, no real spell caster or person that follows any kind of a spiritual pursuit will engage in this sort of activity, this goes against the very nature of walking a spiritual path and is more so highly contradictory to what a person is trying to accomplish in their life such as achieving spiritual peace through divine knowledge and conduct.

The type of activity stated and quoted above belongs solely to the unscrupulous person who has no fear or respect for Divinity, not to mention fearing any karmic retribution coming back from the negative acts they tend to carry out on a daily basis. These are is just a few things that separate the scam artist from the legitimate spell caster and or spiritual person.

Ok, now that we have established the difference between the spiritual person and the scam artist, lets explore the conflict that has been taking place on the net between the Client and Spell Caster, let's do this via the definition of a binding contractual agreement as follows:

Again, a quote by Wikipedia, That depends. First, the agreement must be a contract, which means there must be an offer, an acceptance, consideration (value exchanged) and a lawful purpose. The exact definition of each of those terms depends on state law. Second, some contracts can only be enforced in court if they have been signed.

For example, contracts that cannot be performed in one year, or for an interest in land must be signed. Each state has slightly different rules on which contracts must be signed. Those rules are known, collectively, as the 'Statute of Frauds'. However, even if you have a valid oral contract that does in fact violate the statute of frauds, you may have a difficult time proving it without some sort of documentary evidence such as witnesses to contract. In conclusion its best to get everything signed and in writing, end of quote.

In light of the definition above referring to the verbal agreement, I would speculate, that in some instances of reported fraud up here on Rip Off Report, would and are more or less misunderstandings of the contractual agreements made between Client and Caster, and not likely fraud itself.

In other instances where fraud has actually occurred as stated above in the definition, it is hard to prove, unless the victim of the crime has a witness to the contract, recorded or written evidence to support their claim of wrong doing such as emails, phone records, receipts, etc.

Let me further yield my definition of spell fraud. For example: Let's assume that a person comes in to a site looking for spell work, let's continue to say that the caster makes guarantees to that perspective client of a given spell casting, in saying that the spell will work for you within three days, moreover without mentioning any possibilities of it not working for the perspective client at all,

or telling them directly that there isn't any possibilities of it not working for them. This is a statement and promise to the client at this point in time that further convinces that client to come in for the spell through a verbal or gentleman's agreement. The client sends the requested funds to the caster via postal mail, pay pal or wire and the caster begins work upon receiving the needed payment and items.

If the Caster verbally 'GUARANTEED' the casting and the spell doesn't work as the caster said it would in three days, then this is technically fraud as this client would have never contracted the caster had he or she told them that there was a possibility of the spell not working for them at all.

The client was under the impression that it was going to simply work and wasn't told any different; or was told directly that the spell couldn't fail. If the caster implied that the spell would work, but made no guarantees to the client, and said nothing about the possibility of the spell not working for whatever reason.

Then this this could be considered the obtainment of moneys through misleading speech via not disclosing all the necessary spell facts. This falls under unethical practices more so than fraud as there was misleading speech taking place against the person via the withholding of information that the client needed to base their decision on etc.

But there again, this is why the client should ask a lot of questions should the caster either intentionally or unintentionally fail to bring something up. Ask a lot of hard and direct questions before giving any monies over to a on-line caster or land based spell caster. In other words, if your looking for spell work, be smart and don't let anyone take advantage of your ignorance pertaining to the matter of magical operation. Don't pay dearly for your ignorance folks.

It's very important for a perspective client to understand what is needed, and or expected from them regarding any spell work offered FROM THE START; Not during or after the work is complete, But From The Start. It's Again, very important that a client has a very realistic view or goals of what is, or could be obtained from spell work before entering into any spell process.

Lastly, It is EXTREMELY IMPORTANT to stay within the guidelines of the site regarding the offered spell criteria should the client decide to engage in any kind of magical operation with a spell casting site or land based casting business. Don't go into a process especially if you don't think you can adhere to the rules as this isn't fair to the spell caster or you, this will only cause major problems and bad feelings down the road.

The best way to avoid being scammed or misunderstanding the contract in which you might be getting yourself into, is to ask a lot of pertinent questions. To check the site out via the B.B.B. and licensing commission of the state the site is registered in. Of course, you may use Rip Off Report as a indicator of what kind of site you may be completing spell work with, however don't let your investigation stop here as the information your getting may or may not be entirely correct. Questions a perspective Client can ask: 1- How long has your business been in practice? 2- Do you have a license to practice and in what state?. 3- What exactly will be expected of me personally regarding my spell?

4- What can I SPECIFICALLY expect in the way of spell results? ( get this answer from the potential caster in a email or hard copy letter.) 5- Can you send me a policy sheet regarding the things I should do and the things to stay away from during this process? 6- May I have a copy of your disclaimer? 7- What happens if my spell doesn't work, and will I be charged again?

8- Do you guarantee your spells? (If they actually guarantee a spell, THEN RUN.) Guaranteeing sub services that come with the spell in some instances such spiritual counseling or providing spell pictures are things that can be easily carried out or guaranteed as 'services'.

You can't guarantee the spell operation itself; as this is like guaranteeing that it will rain tomorrow or that the wind will stop blowing all week long. Knowledge is power folks, so be a smart shopper. If a site guarantees that your spell will occur and it doesn't work, then DEMAND a refund immediately, or take this issue to one of the suggested state or federal agencies below.

As I've stated in many other reports up on Rip Off Report, Any legit spell casting services will have no problem in addressing these questions for you. You can then distinguish the scam artist from the real spell casters through your knowledge obtained. Fake casters won't address these questions for you and will moreover become evasive concerning these questions and issues put before them. Perform a background check on a potential spell caster to be safe and DON'T FEEL

PRESSURED in quickly sending your funds off to anyone no matter what the caster or anyone else says until your completely satisfied with what you have learned and feel comfortable with it all, no matter how badly you want a certain spell ritual. Watch out for fake casters that try to scare you into buying spells from them via giving you terrible readings or visions in what your future might hold for you.

Don't be BULLIED, BELITTLED OR TAUNTED into buying spell castings. It's better to be safe then scammed, wouldn't you say? ONLY YOU CAN STOP SCAMS before they occur.

What is magick you ask? Magick is a holy communication that takes place between You, the Caster and Divinity. A prayer to the Divine Powers that be made in your behalf by the Caster, A positive joint effort of souls regarding the out come of one's life through a spiritual request. Magick is real, It's not a joke, no more then it's fun time or parlor tricks;

it's something serious that a person should think long and hard about before jumping into, be they a new caster or a client. Real magick is not to be played with nor taunted; least your ready to pay the price. To those that scam people out there, well, your on notice and will be dealt with in good time.

To those REAL spell casters who fight the good fight and carry on Divinity's teachings, my hat is off to you. Moving on, I don't advocate spell castings paid or otherwise unless a person has exhausted every other avenue of resolving a problematic situation in their personal life through other conventional means such as good communications and or the use of the court system in some instances. In other words, why bother Divinity if you can handle it yourself.

Most magical people love the clients in which they work, they will, in fact go the extra mile for the client however It's important for the client to realize that magical people are just that, (( PEOPLE )), just like you. We're not Demy Gods more so then just ordinary people living our lives in extraordinary ways,

yes, we have gifts, or curses that might be considered gifts when looking from the out side in, but still, just people. People that deal with nothing but crisis most of the time and only see the harsh realities of what goes on in other peoples lives around the clock, month after month and year after year.

We are not perfect ourselves, all though this is our goal at times, lol. We have the same likes and dislikes as most other people not to mention our down sides or mood swings so please be as understanding as you can with us when dealing with a real spell caster.

We have dedicated our lives in serving Divinity and you, that have in many instances gone through the same things that our clients are coming to us to fix them now. Sometimes a client can learn more by listening to their caster rather then trying to speak over them.

People, if you find fraudulent spell casters on the net, then expos them for the sake of all of us out here, but do it the right way. Make sure they are fakes before you condemn them on the open air ways, make sure your reasons for doing so are correct. Think about it, what if you are condemning the wrong caster that is moreover acting in the capacity of a diplomat between heaven and earth.

This would most certainly have long reaching effects in your life be you a Atheist, Christian or other. I've had my conflicts up here on this site with others, however I've tried to present the facts as I've seen them and moreover proved my case for the most part, and thereof exposing what I believe to be fake magick sites and the negative actions they have carried out against others.

In short, it's not about pointing the finger or hurt feelings so much as it is proving your case beyond a reasonable doubt to the public should a conflict occur, if at all possible, and given the circumstance of Rip Off Report. Coming up here to vent and or just to blast another site or person is absolutely the biggest waste of time ever; especially when you don't have much or anything in the way of

substantiating your case, so why do it? Why upset yourself or expose your statements to public ridicule from those who have drawn their own conclusions via the lack of proof from either side? or one side in particular.

Why subject yourself to Hecklers or the one your reporting harassing you through several anonymous names and so on. If you have a problem with your caster and you find yourself on the short end of the stick then get real about it and pursue them through legal means via your documentation.

HAVE YOU BEEN SCAMMED? If you feel that you have been scammed by a given magick site, be it on-line or off, here are a few options that you can pursue. Let's first look at land based psychic spell caster scams. If you again, feel like you've been scammed, then the first option is to report this activity to your local police along with a in-depth report outlining the offense that has taken place,

you will also be required to back up your statements with verifiable and creditable proof in the way of eye witness accounts, recordings or documentation.

This information will be passed over to the District Attorney's Office and he or she will investigate it through the Department Of Justice depending on the amount of money lost and or other offences that may have taken place. Should the D.A. find that a report has substance to it , then this office may turn a company over to the county licensing and zoning not to mention the U.S Marshal's office.

In the many instances that a report is found credible, the business bureau authorities will pull the licenses and close the establishment until the investigation is complete and or the accused is either found guilty or innocent to some varying degree by the courts.

The codes and penalties of fraud are clear and decisive in most counties and states however may differ from state to state in who will pick up or carry the charge against the offender.

Most law enforcement agencies will also make a clear distinction between actual criminal act and civil matters; and thus, a complaintent might have to pursue their grievance through the civil courts solely, should law enforcement find the complaint in the civil arena instead of the criminal realm.

Again, file your report with your local police department then follow it up with the local district or state attorney's office in the instance of a land based business infraction. In the case of Internet fraud, The Internet is a HUGE legal gray area to start off with and often times land based laws, simply can't or won't apply on the air ways, or from state to state.

Many states have varying laws regarding what they consider to be fraudulent act; and will handle it concerning what local and state laws dictate concerning this issue, not all states agree in short and seemingly have a lot of trouble with jurisdiction issues.

In light of this fact, most counties and states would rather not deal with such internet issues or crimes as: on-line stalking, on-line harassment, Internet fraud, phone and email harassment or slander issues in most cases and thus these offenses become the property of federal jurisdiction and not county or state. Many out there on the net will tend to turn their complaints into the F.B.I., I.R.S, A.T.F., and other government agencies; however,

these law enforcement agencies may look at, but won't really investigate Internet complaints,, they deal with actual physical or tax crimes referred to as 'capital crimes' in some cases that occur against the state or federal government in short.

The B.B.B. is neither a federal or state agency, but rather a company like any other in the private sector operating under federal guidelines much like a bank or firm that has been contracted by the government like Nassa Arrow Space Technologies.

The B.B.B. is ineffectual at best as they are subject to the contributions of business and tend to perform half-assed investigations concerning any a reported business. They're not for the client in short, despite what they say.

Regarding the illegal actions above, a complaintent would need to contact the Department Of Justice via filling out a complete report of the recent incident with the attached evidence of documentation backing up the complaint.

This complaint will need to have a special and legal NOTARY SEAL on the documentation before the D.O.J. will enter it into investigation status. You may obtain this seal from your local court house or through any Notary who possesses this special stamp.

Once received, they will contact you and more then likely then turn over a valid case to the Attorney General's Office for prosecution; he will in turn pass copy of it to the state and then district attorney for prosecution.

The U.S Marshals office and local police will be set into motion in the instance that a bench warrant is sworn out against the offender by the Department Of Justice.
Again, the process may differ from state to state; however, this is the jest of it all.

When the offender is charged and convicted of the crime, only then may the complaintent file civil charges in a civil court for suit against the offender in a effort to recover monies lost through misrepresentation or fraud.

As stated above, you may file a charge through a civil court against a perceived offender however this is considered a weak case in this instance without the backing of a law enforcement agency. Be safe, Have peace, Love Divinity with all your mind, body and soul. -------- Jim Morgan
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A Gift Of Knowledge From Dragon Spells, By Jim Morgan

AUTHOR: DRAGON - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Saturday, February 21, 2009
A Gift Of Knowledge. Raging Against The Spell Scam Machine

KNOW YOUR SPELL CASTER AND SPELL SITE

DON'T FALL PRAY TO CON GAMES FROM FAKE CASTERS & READERS

DON'T PAY FOR YOUR IGNORANCE

Educating The Public

Greetings and welcome from Enchantress Jan Windglows and Jim Morgan of Castle Dragon's Eye, Blood Love And Lust Spells and Dragon Spells. This post is a effort to assist both Clients and potential clients considering spell work. What is magic or magick you ask ?, magical practice can be defined in numerous and specific ways that go on to evolve into various styles of ritualistic art, and technique depending on the magical discipline your viewing at the time.

Every magical system, style or religion has one thing in common and you may be asking what would this common denominator would be ?, The answer is: (Divinity). The supper glue to spiritualism if you will, the uniting factor for all faith systems and religions.

Divinity, is known by countless names such as: Jehovah, Yahweh, Alia, Jesus, God, Goddess, Angels, Yang & Yang, Ancestors, The Source and the Devil just to name a few. It doesn't matter what you choose to call Divinity as they answer not only to the names in which we choose to call them by,

but also by the yearnings of out hearts. Please know that Divinity exist with a positive purpose no matter how you call them to yourselves, it doesn't matter if you choose to believe in this Divinity or not, as it still exist and is watching your every move while judging you throughout your life as it unfolds.

Divinity is not evil in any respect as this is Humanities calling and nothing to do with anything heavenly. Divinity, can be viewed as a destructive influence in some instances, especially when things need to change positively within the world, A nation or Ones personal life to some existent,

Divinity is a positive and progressive Force Of Creation with a full awareness of all within and without its self, that moreover has a very strong sense of self-preservation being the positive progression life and creation. This Divinity in which I speak, will in fact extinguish all that it considers to be harmful or destructive to its natural growth be it in nature of a persons life.

Divinity is about life and not death, good and not evil. positive and not negative acts. Again, Divinity isn't evil by its nature, however will grant a negative request to a recipient of a prayer by design, this is done in a effort to educate that Soul concerning right wrong choice from wrong action,

or karmic repercussion and or spiritual retribution. I believe, that Divinity can and does utilizes the reward and punishment system in order to drive a message home in our lives.

For Example: Divinity will grant a persons prayer for some new hub caps for their car by either offering that person the opportunity to go out to work hard in obtaining the money to buy this item, or will allow a person to go out and steal this same item without being caught.

If the person works hard to buy the hubcaps, then not only have they went about this the right way and feel good about themselves and their efforts, but will have more then likely have supplied income to someone's family who was in turn praying for a financial miracle at the time.

They have done Divinities work in this instance by making the right choice and carrying out the correct action. Should they decide to steal the hubcaps, then Divinity will let them get away with this for a short time, that is,

until a policeman pulls this individual over and writes them a speeding ticket for three or four times what the hubcaps were worth in the first place. This applies for all life circumstances involving thought, speech and action. Divinity, is about love and justice. Again, not evil or death.

People may pray for whatever they like, and their prayers will be heard. The Consumer may choose to work through a spell caster to obtain their prayers, and yes, their prayer will be heard, however, the question is : will that prayer be granted for the Consumer ?, this is something that only Divinity knows as they are the ones in whom grant ALL spells or prayers and not the Caster.

Spells or prayers may be granted in both instances of being justified or unjustified, either as a reward or to teach a karmic lesson to the Client of a prayer, depending on the situation. The safe way to go about asking Divinity for anything is to always be justified, truthful and positive in your request.

Let me just make the distinction here between the prices that one must pay in order to be the recipient of a successful pray casting. Should you attempt to yelled a prayer to Divinity for whatever reason or thing that you may be wishing for out of life, then be prepared to under go personal positive change in the way of bettering yourself to a greater existent.

To brutally look at yourself in the mirror and determine if you are conducting your life through right thought, speech and action. Are you being fair to yourself and others, are you being a constructive member to creation or a dead cell causing disease to all that you touch.

This is hard thing to do for most, including myself as life can be difficult at times, especially when we are all suffering from some sort of life crisis at one time or another, agreed ?. When yielding your prayer through a spell caster then your still subjugated and or required to under go this same process in order to become more worthy to receive your prayer request.

Your prayer or spell will greatly depend on this (( and not the caster of your spell )), or even the spell its self. LOOK for spell casters that include this aspect of working with the client in their spell criteria and you can't go wrong.

When you as the Consumer pays a spell caster to cast a ritual for you, please know that you are paying that Caster for her time and magical knowledge along with whatever materials they might be needing for the ritualistic action taken in your behalf.

Spell casters, like any other profession such as Doctors, Lawyers and School teachers must be paid for their service in most instances or it just won't pay for them to cast spells for the public.

YOU ARE NOT paying them TO MAKE YOUR SPELL COME TRUE as this is again, up to Divinity to decide and not the Caster, it's up to you in taking responsibility for your past and present actions regarding how you have, and are co-existing with those around you.

Every one of us has Divinity within, even those in whom we think are the most worthless people in life, and thus we must take care in always doing the right thing by all concerned. This doesn't mean that we allow ourselves to be picked on unjustifiably, or that we can go around judging others because we think were better then they are.

However, it does mean that we must treat others fairly and more so temper our justice with mercy when needed. To remember that Divinity is judging us in our thoughts, speech and actions taken out either for or against others.

Depending, on the casting service you choose, will determine what kinds of services will come with a given spell action, some WILL NOT offer spiritual counseling. Why ?, because they are simply spell casters and not counselors of any kind. Some spell casters may not be good in the way of working with people but will excel as excellent spell casters.

To expect this service from a site that doesn't really offer it, is like going to a hospital and expecting them to paint your care for you. Other spell castings sites do offer this sort of service, that moreover assist you throughout your spell casting to some degree.

Yet others will make counseling the main focal point of their over all services as this is needed to guide, assist and ensure that a person has the best chances for spell success. Another thing that I'd like to mention here, and that is: The success of a counseling service will depend on the magical knowledge and life experience of the caster themself,

and thus you should ask them a few questions about your life situation before you contract any caster to determine if they can actually yield good advice to you or not.

Often times, the Consumer believes that it's better if they have more then one caster working on their case, however this isn't true at all, in fact this only causes conflict and confusion to the Clients via receiving difference of opinion coming from both casters regarding their case,,

further does absolutely no good regarding the spell work in progress, as it could ultimately harm or ruin your spell in the end. Why, well, Divinity heard the client the first time and will either grant a persons spell or not concerning how well they are doing in regards to the spell criteria.

Also, and again, no matter how many casters a person has working on their case,, spells are granted or not granted on a individuals personal efforts and not on so much what the caster has done in their behalf.

The caster can make your spell heard clearly along with guiding you through a given spells criteria or process, he or she can direct Divinities attention to a persons plight, but CAN NOT make a spell happen for a person, especially if the client isn't staying within the spell criteria.

It's up to the client at this point to give the prayer strength via their own personal efforts and by taking responsibility for their own actions both positive and negative in life, simply by following the rules of the site and karma.

Listen up guys, SPELLS CAN NOT BE GUARANTEED, why is this you ask ?, two reasons, the first of which being: spell casters can't guarantee that your going to stay within their spell criteria or site policies, and secondly, they can't speak for Divinity, the Divine Source knows every facet of your life more so then the caster and thus will make their judgment on that basis. The caster only knows what the client has told them and nothing more.

Let's take death spells for instance, let's say that a client writes in and says that they have been wronged by another and moreover that they wish death upon a person, the caster only has one side of the story at this point but agrees to perform the casting just the same.

Lets say that the prayer is yielded by the caster asking for the death of a specified person singled out by the Clients request, the spell is received by Divinity to be solely judge concerning what action should be taken toward a perceived offender.

Divinity, may choose to cause actual physical death to that person, or in most cases, a simulated death of a person by simply taking the offending person out of the clients life entirely, they do this by causing them to move away from the client, go to jail and or via other life circumstances.

in the instance of death spells, most casters will enter in a hand written letter of the client whom wishes the action to be carried out while absolving themselves of wrong doing within the death request. They do this in light that the request could be considered unjustified by Divinity, and there for protecting themselves from karmic retribution.

Casters, will tend to treat any prayer request like this, just on the off chance that a Client has forgotten to yield pertinent facts about the case. Let's call the death spell client John, perhaps john forgot to tell the caster that his target of the death spell had filed charges of rape against him, Let's say that John actually committed this crime not to mention wanting the death spell in keeping his victim from testifying against him in court, and so on.

This is why spell casters write up the spells in this way to ensure that they firstly, don't hit the wrong one or innocent person as a result, secondly, so they don't end up suffering karmic retribution as a result of going off a one sided story.

This is why we leave it up to Divinity to judge for either a granting or not granting of a prayer, Period. We only know what the Client has told us concerning their situation and further don't really have any way of checking out the validity of that story other then trusting the client.

Also, do yourself a BIG favor and don't pressure a spell caster into giving you a actual spell guarantee on any spell because your putting them on the spot. Your not being fair in this instance, if they don't guarantee you the spell, then you may not come in for the spell work that they may need to pay their rent etc,

plus you will be setting yourself up for a fall if the spell doesn't actually work out for you, or in the way that you actually wanted it. Be King and Fair to yourself and the caster.

Ok, let's talk about Tarot Readings and other forms of divination. Firstly, tarot card readings will pretty much tell you what you all ready know, and further won't tell you about the out come of spell casting, especially when you haven't had a spell cast yet. Readings, will may or may not yield your future depending on the reader and form of divination they happen to be using.

Spells, when cast, take two to four weeks to show up in a reading and sometimes longer, the universe is a huge place and it takes time to turn things around in short,.

When you try to look into the future early on, or before a casting has taken place, then this is like looking into a empty barrel expecting to find something new. Getting readings performed by Psychic Spell Casters in my opinion is a HUGE conflict of interest as they want you to buy a spell, their readings may or may not reflect this. Again, BE SMART about and consider this fact.

There are a lot of tarot and Psychic junkies out there on the net that moreover get one reading right after another and this is harmful to any spell casting as it could actually change the out come to a spell ritual or stop it entirely. Remember, your thoughts and speech are like prayers, you can actually think and speak things into reality good or bad to a extent.

If your mind is in a negative mind set due to negative readings, then negative things will come back to you. Your mind may not be in a negative place a the moment but can quickly get there should you hear one to many negative readings, or inaccurate readings.

When looking for a reader, find one that just performs readings and not spell castings. Upon finding a good reader, TELL THEM NOTHING ABOUT YOURSELF as this will corrupt their reading and or lead them in telling you what you want to hear.

Don't let them hit and miss with you, some Psychic readers will tune in to some degree and others will hit the nail on the head. Well rested readers will typically do better in yielding a accurate reading more so then a reader that is performing one reading after another,

The reason for this is that their drawing on or depleting their energies constantly, this will weaken them in time and you could get a faulty reading as a result. Again, this depends on the reader and what they can handle case wise. Some readers can handle this like some spell casters.

When a person consistently thinks or speaks about readings, castings or their over all situations, then this is like a chant as your thoughts and speech are again, prayers in themselves being said over and over. You can't forget about something if your continually thinking about it, can you ?.

The name of the game here is to not only release your prayer but to have the faith in Divinity and yourself that it will work for you, think and speak positive things and pay attention to the things you've been letting go in your life such as family, friends and paying your bills etc.

Like I said, Divinity heard you the first time, whom are further looking to see how much you really want your request to happen through your own personal self efforts of positive behavior. Thinking of something over and over again will just tire you out and slow your spell results down over all.

I don't personally advocate excessive phone or tarot readings, nor the use of mutable casters as I deem these things harmful to both the client and their spell casting. Obsessing over something or thinking about a matter consistently will also cause depression and physical illness, this is also destructive to any type of spell working as a person is actually harming themselves as a result.

Spell casting, is much more then just throwing money at another person and expecting everything to go right in ones life as a result, It more then tarot readings and spell casters or spell sites promising to do all kinds of things for you. It has everything to do with Divinity and how they view our lives and moreover how were conducting them.

As I've stated in other postings on this site, I don't condone spell castings paid or otherwise until a person has firstly made a sincere effort in resolving their problems through fair and positive means and or well thought actions, only then should a person seek out spiritual help and not before.

Life is about positive growth through trial and error, you can't grow unless you recognize your mistakes first. Magick is nothing more then a prayer spoken to the Devine Powers that be in a ancient way that's typically carried out in your behalf by a given caster, or yourself in some cases. The spell casting process takes hours of hard work coming from both the Client and Caster in the way of aliening a client with the spiritual realm, plan and simple.

To go out and contract a spell casting for yourself and not be aware of these facts above, or to ignore them all together, is nothing short of being folly on your part as the Consumer in my opinion, to contract a spell casting while thinking that the caster is a God, is nothing more then foolishness on a persons part, yes,

we have our gifts, but on the other hand we are all still made of flesh and bleed just like you. There is only One Divinity, the master of ALL creation who has known every facet of our lives from the start, PERIOD. This same Force Of Creation will be the only ones around us upon our deaths when all else has failed us.

Some people in the past thought that I explain to much to the public concerning Divinity and magical practice, however I don't feel this is so. It is my goal to yield the universal gift of Divinity to both great and small. It doesn't matter where your found in life, no more then it matters if your rich or poor as Divinity sends its message to all. All a person has to do is to listen to receive the blessings of this Force Of Creation, you may perform this through spell work or through your own positive self-efforts.

If the truth be known, my first priority and loyalty rest with Divinity, above and beyond any earthly desire, I don't seek fame or glory, I am not here to make money nor am I here to exult or cast down others as their deeds will do this for them. You shall know them by their deeds. I am here to educate. Especially in the midst of all the chaos and anarchy that I see going on within this site. I don't personally benefit from my postings other then seeing the record set straight with spell rituals and Divinity.

I would like some assistance from other good sites in spreading this message of life and light if at all possible however this is up to them. This is exactly the place where the real message of Divinity needs to be heard not to mention where the curious can actually find out how spell castings work.

This is the place where we as legitimate spell casters can start weeding out the fakery and imposters proclaiming to be Divinity themselves. I've never experienced such hatred and anger in my life as I've seen on this site. through no fault of ROR, this site seems to draw others into the chaos so easily.

We've all been drawn into this thing including myself to some degree, but there again, its not where your standing that matters so much as it is where you choose to go from here. I have found myself up here defending myself and others for two years now against some who took it upon themselves to slam us, but I have now decided that enough is enough, I've proved my case.

I choose to break the cycle now to start a new cycle of education to those that might be confused a bit on the subject of magical practice. Any spell caster worth their salt will join me in doing the same thing as it is up to us to set the record straight concerning the misconceptions people have pertaining to magical practice.

I choose to be happy in assisting the public in any way possible, while bringing back the message of Divinity to anyone who is brave enough to listen to it. This is my choice and the road I choose to walk from now on. What will your choice be, and what road will you choose to walk my friend ?. Be smart, Be safe and love Divinity with all your mind, body and soul as this is what matters the most in life.


Raging Against The Machine, Exposing Scam, Protecting The Innocent.

This post is a attempt to assist and resolve the unfortunate instances of persons being scammed out their money by fraudulent and or fake spell casters, psychic readers and others. I've researched and practiced the arts of magick for twenty-eight years now, with eight or nine of those years being on the net as a spell caster myself before my business officially closed down a couple of years back.

Janhett T. Windglows of www.bloodloveandlustspells.com is now my trusted love in whom has been gifted the remainder of Dragon Spells in the capacity of free magical information source for all to view.

She has now included all 199 pages of this copyrighted material into her her current sites under Dragon Spells archives. Both Jan and myself thought it extremely important to address these topics regarding magical practice and the fraud occurring in and around this profession.

And so, in the name of Divinity do we write this post in order to help, assist and save Divinities children from these Imposters. I would also strongly encourage other up right magick sites to stand against these same imposters as our very good names are under attack as a result of their negative and harmful deeds against the innocent.

The art of magick is a holy thing to both Jan and I not to mention both of us being great lovers of Divinity and all things spiritual. The scamming on the Internet must stop, however we in the magical community can't do it alone, and urgently need your assistance in resolving this matter through your own self- education and efforts.

Only you can stop the scam before it turns into a scam. Think about it, Expose the scam artist, cut off their money supply through this espouser, then sit back and watch the internet become clean and free of them. They will leave because there's no more blood to suck or ignorance to pray off of in short.

The content of this post will typically convey not only my personal observations and beliefs, but the shard experiences of others regarding the subject of magical practice. Some practicing persons of the art may not agree with some or all of my statements; however, they are always free to dispute what I personally know to be long held truths concerning this subject.

Let me first start off by saying that magical practice is a discipline, like any other discipline, that moreover takes unending dedication and on going sacrifice demanded of the Practitioner over the span of many years. It's just not something that you can learn overnight or from one or two books.

Also, Spell casting its self is a very small aspect to the over all faith system for most men and women of the magical arts, that some may or may not choose to incorporate into their over all belief system. A strict code of spiritual conduct is in play a great deal of the time and must be followed inherently in order to maintain one's communication and or working relationship to the Divine.

This is done through a person's right thought, speech and action and therefore causing this shared relationship to endure and become strong between the casters and the Divine Source, or Divinity as I like to address Them.

This same relationship must also be taught and passed to the Client of any magical operation to have any hope for spell success as it is Divinity that grants a prayer and not the caster. A common person may achieve their dreams without the use of magick through a proper relationship to the divine source, however it does take a lot of hard spiritual and mental work to get there.

Nothing is free in Heaven or earth, and their is a price to pay for everything that we want out of life, however this price has nothing to do with money more so then it has to do with positive self-growth and change.

There are numerous faith systems existing and skirting the three mainstream religions better known as Islam, Judaism and Christianity, and it is these more recent faith systems or disciplines past these three systems mentioned above that go on to be represented on the net as spiritual spell casting sites.

Some examples of these more recent sites are predominately the Voo Doo and Wicca sites just to name a few that we see all over place these days. These particular new age sites typically have their origins deeply rooted in the past predating the three main religions above, but in essence have developed more so into free style, or liberal type systems of belief and not really emanating the dogma of the prototype earth faith systems from which they were derived.

In light of these varying systems of faith that are moreover stemming from the past, and were primarily drawn off of elemental worship in the beginning, please note that these faith systems also varied in practice from region to region. It only stands to reason that the offspring of these older or ancient systems would expand and project a wide and diverse array of beliefs and magical technique as can be seen currently on the Internet;

especially when a general system such as the bible wasn't existent in the beginning of this earth faith based creation period was commonly practiced. Ok, what does all this mean? It means that when a person goes on the net looking for a spell caster, this is like being lost in the chaotic jungle of numerous faiths and practices. It means that a person can be taken in quite easily; especially if their not familiar with magical practice of any kind. A person can become open to scam artist pretending to be a legitimate spell caster or psychic.

The Internet is a place where one can find old world witchcraft merging in with Voo Doo and Wicca on occasion, where old testament magick intertwines with the new testament and Chinese faith systems. Further, where you can find a place for the ancient Babylonian Gods and Goddesses coinciding with the angels of King Solomon, lol? A bit confusing, isn't it ?

This is why you should ask numerous questions to guard yourself against fraud as anyone can make up a fake magical system and bedazzle you with promises of future happenings.

Take the time to read the site, then step back to see if any of it makes sense to you, check the site out by speaking to the site owner while cross referencing it with known magical practices if you can. There's plenty of material on the net outlining the magical disciplines and the magical techniques they use. Don't be a fool, Use your head, If it sounds to easy. If it sounds to good to be true then chances are it's something you should look at further before sending your money out.

I hear the word 'scam' being screamed out and echoed across the universe these days regarding white and black magic or magick sites, but what does this word really mean, I ask you? (( A quote from Wikipedia)) - A scam is a confidence trick. 1. A ploy by a shyster to raise money. 2. A fraudulent business scheme. To 'scam' means to victimize, deprive of by deceit; 'He swindled me out of my inheritance'; 'She defrauded the customers who trusted her'; 'the cashier gypped me when he gave me too little change' 3.

A confidence trick, confidence game, or 'con' for short (also known as a scam) is an attempt to intentionally mislead a person or persons (known as 'the mark') usually with the goal of financial or other gain. The confidence trickster, con man, scam artist or con artist often works with an accomplice called the 'shill', who tries to encourage the mark by pretending to believe the trickster. By Jennifer S.F., end of quote.

Obviously, no real spell caster or person that follows any kind of a spiritual pursuit will engage in this sort of activity, this goes against the very nature of walking a spiritual path and is more so highly contradictory to what a person is trying to accomplish in their life such as achieving spiritual peace through divine knowledge and conduct.

The type of activity stated and quoted above belongs solely to the unscrupulous person who has no fear or respect for Divinity, not to mention fearing any karmic retribution coming back from the negative acts they tend to carry out on a daily basis. These are is just a few things that separate the scam artist from the legitimate spell caster and or spiritual person.

Ok, now that we have established the difference between the spiritual person and the scam artist, lets explore the conflict that has been taking place on the net between the Client and Spell Caster, let's do this via the definition of a binding contractual agreement as follows:

Again, a quote by Wikipedia, That depends. First, the agreement must be a contract, which means there must be an offer, an acceptance, consideration (value exchanged) and a lawful purpose. The exact definition of each of those terms depends on state law. Second, some contracts can only be enforced in court if they have been signed.

For example, contracts that cannot be performed in one year, or for an interest in land must be signed. Each state has slightly different rules on which contracts must be signed. Those rules are known, collectively, as the 'Statute of Frauds'. However, even if you have a valid oral contract that does in fact violate the statute of frauds, you may have a difficult time proving it without some sort of documentary evidence such as witnesses to contract. In conclusion its best to get everything signed and in writing, end of quote.

In light of the definition above referring to the verbal agreement, I would speculate, that in some instances of reported fraud up here on Rip Off Report, would and are more or less misunderstandings of the contractual agreements made between Client and Caster, and not likely fraud itself.

In other instances where fraud has actually occurred as stated above in the definition, it is hard to prove, unless the victim of the crime has a witness to the contract, recorded or written evidence to support their claim of wrong doing such as emails, phone records, receipts, etc.

Let me further yield my definition of spell fraud. For example: Let's assume that a person comes in to a site looking for spell work, let's continue to say that the caster makes guarantees to that perspective client of a given spell casting, in saying that the spell will work for you within three days, moreover without mentioning any possibilities of it not working for the perspective client at all,

or telling them directly that there isn't any possibilities of it not working for them. This is a statement and promise to the client at this point in time that further convinces that client to come in for the spell through a verbal or gentleman's agreement. The client sends the requested funds to the caster via postal mail, pay pal or wire and the caster begins work upon receiving the needed payment and items.

If the Caster verbally 'GUARANTEED' the casting and the spell doesn't work as the caster said it would in three days, then this is technically fraud as this client would have never contracted the caster had he or she told them that there was a possibility of the spell not working for them at all.

The client was under the impression that it was going to simply work and wasn't told any different; or was told directly that the spell couldn't fail. If the caster implied that the spell would work, but made no guarantees to the client, and said nothing about the possibility of the spell not working for whatever reason.

Then this this could be considered the obtainment of moneys through misleading speech via not disclosing all the necessary spell facts. This falls under unethical practices more so than fraud as there was misleading speech taking place against the person via the withholding of information that the client needed to base their decision on etc.

But there again, this is why the client should ask a lot of questions should the caster either intentionally or unintentionally fail to bring something up. Ask a lot of hard and direct questions before giving any monies over to a on-line caster or land based spell caster. In other words, if your looking for spell work, be smart and don't let anyone take advantage of your ignorance pertaining to the matter of magical operation. Don't pay dearly for your ignorance folks.

It's very important for a perspective client to understand what is needed, and or expected from them regarding any spell work offered FROM THE START; Not during or after the work is complete, But From The Start. It's Again, very important that a client has a very realistic view or goals of what is, or could be obtained from spell work before entering into any spell process.

Lastly, It is EXTREMELY IMPORTANT to stay within the guidelines of the site regarding the offered spell criteria should the client decide to engage in any kind of magical operation with a spell casting site or land based casting business. Don't go into a process especially if you don't think you can adhere to the rules as this isn't fair to the spell caster or you, this will only cause major problems and bad feelings down the road.

The best way to avoid being scammed or misunderstanding the contract in which you might be getting yourself into, is to ask a lot of pertinent questions. To check the site out via the B.B.B. and licensing commission of the state the site is registered in. Of course, you may use Rip Off Report as a indicator of what kind of site you may be completing spell work with, however don't let your investigation stop here as the information your getting may or may not be entirely correct. Questions a perspective Client can ask: 1- How long has your business been in practice? 2- Do you have a license to practice and in what state?. 3- What exactly will be expected of me personally regarding my spell?

4- What can I SPECIFICALLY expect in the way of spell results? ( get this answer from the potential caster in a email or hard copy letter.) 5- Can you send me a policy sheet regarding the things I should do and the things to stay away from during this process? 6- May I have a copy of your disclaimer? 7- What happens if my spell doesn't work, and will I be charged again?

8- Do you guarantee your spells? (If they actually guarantee a spell, THEN RUN.) Guaranteeing sub services that come with the spell in some instances such spiritual counseling or providing spell pictures are things that can be easily carried out or guaranteed as 'services'.

You can't guarantee the spell operation itself; as this is like guaranteeing that it will rain tomorrow or that the wind will stop blowing all week long. Knowledge is power folks, so be a smart shopper. If a site guarantees that your spell will occur and it doesn't work, then DEMAND a refund immediately, or take this issue to one of the suggested state or federal agencies below.

As I've stated in many other reports up on Rip Off Report, Any legit spell casting services will have no problem in addressing these questions for you. You can then distinguish the scam artist from the real spell casters through your knowledge obtained. Fake casters won't address these questions for you and will moreover become evasive concerning these questions and issues put before them. Perform a background check on a potential spell caster to be safe and DON'T FEEL

PRESSURED in quickly sending your funds off to anyone no matter what the caster or anyone else says until your completely satisfied with what you have learned and feel comfortable with it all, no matter how badly you want a certain spell ritual. Watch out for fake casters that try to scare you into buying spells from them via giving you terrible readings or visions in what your future might hold for you.

Don't be BULLIED, BELITTLED OR TAUNTED into buying spell castings. It's better to be safe then scammed, wouldn't you say? ONLY YOU CAN STOP SCAMS before they occur.

What is magick you ask? Magick is a holy communication that takes place between You, the Caster and Divinity. A prayer to the Divine Powers that be made in your behalf by the Caster, A positive joint effort of souls regarding the out come of one's life through a spiritual request. Magick is real, It's not a joke, no more then it's fun time or parlor tricks;

it's something serious that a person should think long and hard about before jumping into, be they a new caster or a client. Real magick is not to be played with nor taunted; least your ready to pay the price. To those that scam people out there, well, your on notice and will be dealt with in good time.

To those REAL spell casters who fight the good fight and carry on Divinity's teachings, my hat is off to you. Moving on, I don't advocate spell castings paid or otherwise unless a person has exhausted every other avenue of resolving a problematic situation in their personal life through other conventional means such as good communications and or the use of the court system in some instances. In other words, why bother Divinity if you can handle it yourself.

Most magical people love the clients in which they work, they will, in fact go the extra mile for the client however It's important for the client to realize that magical people are just that, (( PEOPLE )), just like you. We're not Demy Gods more so then just ordinary people living our lives in extraordinary ways,

yes, we have gifts, or curses that might be considered gifts when looking from the out side in, but still, just people. People that deal with nothing but crisis most of the time and only see the harsh realities of what goes on in other peoples lives around the clock, month after month and year after year.

We are not perfect ourselves, all though this is our goal at times, lol. We have the same likes and dislikes as most other people not to mention our down sides or mood swings so please be as understanding as you can with us when dealing with a real spell caster.

We have dedicated our lives in serving Divinity and you, that have in many instances gone through the same things that our clients are coming to us to fix them now. Sometimes a client can learn more by listening to their caster rather then trying to speak over them.

People, if you find fraudulent spell casters on the net, then expos them for the sake of all of us out here, but do it the right way. Make sure they are fakes before you condemn them on the open air ways, make sure your reasons for doing so are correct. Think about it, what if you are condemning the wrong caster that is moreover acting in the capacity of a diplomat between heaven and earth.

This would most certainly have long reaching effects in your life be you a Atheist, Christian or other. I've had my conflicts up here on this site with others, however I've tried to present the facts as I've seen them and moreover proved my case for the most part, and thereof exposing what I believe to be fake magick sites and the negative actions they have carried out against others.

In short, it's not about pointing the finger or hurt feelings so much as it is proving your case beyond a reasonable doubt to the public should a conflict occur, if at all possible, and given the circumstance of Rip Off Report. Coming up here to vent and or just to blast another site or person is absolutely the biggest waste of time ever; especially when you don't have much or anything in the way of

substantiating your case, so why do it? Why upset yourself or expose your statements to public ridicule from those who have drawn their own conclusions via the lack of proof from either side? or one side in particular.

Why subject yourself to Hecklers or the one your reporting harassing you through several anonymous names and so on. If you have a problem with your caster and you find yourself on the short end of the stick then get real about it and pursue them through legal means via your documentation.

HAVE YOU BEEN SCAMMED? If you feel that you have been scammed by a given magick site, be it on-line or off, here are a few options that you can pursue. Let's first look at land based psychic spell caster scams. If you again, feel like you've been scammed, then the first option is to report this activity to your local police along with a in-depth report outlining the offense that has taken place,

you will also be required to back up your statements with verifiable and creditable proof in the way of eye witness accounts, recordings or documentation.

This information will be passed over to the District Attorney's Office and he or she will investigate it through the Department Of Justice depending on the amount of money lost and or other offences that may have taken place. Should the D.A. find that a report has substance to it , then this office may turn a company over to the county licensing and zoning not to mention the U.S Marshal's office.

In the many instances that a report is found credible, the business bureau authorities will pull the licenses and close the establishment until the investigation is complete and or the accused is either found guilty or innocent to some varying degree by the courts.

The codes and penalties of fraud are clear and decisive in most counties and states however may differ from state to state in who will pick up or carry the charge against the offender.

Most law enforcement agencies will also make a clear distinction between actual criminal act and civil matters; and thus, a complaintent might have to pursue their grievance through the civil courts solely, should law enforcement find the complaint in the civil arena instead of the criminal realm.

Again, file your report with your local police department then follow it up with the local district or state attorney's office in the instance of a land based business infraction. In the case of Internet fraud, The Internet is a HUGE legal gray area to start off with and often times land based laws, simply can't or won't apply on the air ways, or from state to state.

Many states have varying laws regarding what they consider to be fraudulent act; and will handle it concerning what local and state laws dictate concerning this issue, not all states agree in short and seemingly have a lot of trouble with jurisdiction issues.

In light of this fact, most counties and states would rather not deal with such internet issues or crimes as: on-line stalking, on-line harassment, Internet fraud, phone and email harassment or slander issues in most cases and thus these offenses become the property of federal jurisdiction and not county or state. Many out there on the net will tend to turn their complaints into the F.B.I., I.R.S, A.T.F., and other government agencies; however,

these law enforcement agencies may look at, but won't really investigate Internet complaints,, they deal with actual physical or tax crimes referred to as 'capital crimes' in some cases that occur against the state or federal government in short.

The B.B.B. is neither a federal or state agency, but rather a company like any other in the private sector operating under federal guidelines much like a bank or firm that has been contracted by the government like Nassa Arrow Space Technologies.

The B.B.B. is ineffectual at best as they are subject to the contributions of business and tend to perform half-assed investigations concerning any a reported business. They're not for the client in short, despite what they say.

Regarding the illegal actions above, a complaintent would need to contact the Department Of Justice via filling out a complete report of the recent incident with the attached evidence of documentation backing up the complaint.

This complaint will need to have a special and legal NOTARY SEAL on the documentation before the D.O.J. will enter it into investigation status. You may obtain this seal from your local court house or through any Notary who possesses this special stamp.

Once received, they will contact you and more then likely then turn over a valid case to the Attorney General's Office for prosecution; he will in turn pass copy of it to the state and then district attorney for prosecution.

The U.S Marshals office and local police will be set into motion in the instance that a bench warrant is sworn out against the offender by the Department Of Justice.
Again, the process may differ from state to state; however, this is the jest of it all.

When the offender is charged and convicted of the crime, only then may the complaintent file civil charges in a civil court for suit against the offender in a effort to recover monies lost through misrepresentation or fraud.

As stated above, you may file a charge through a civil court against a perceived offender however this is considered a weak case in this instance without the backing of a law enforcement agency. Be safe, Have peace, Love Divinity with all your mind, body and soul. -------- Jim Morgan
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#12 Consumer Comment

From bad to worse

AUTHOR: Waiting - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Thursday, September 11, 2008
I don't want to say much more about the spell aim but my situation has gone from bad to terrible even during the spell. And the longer it goes on the worse it gets. I was told that the spell was going to be a success at the beginning but the worse things get the harder they will be to fix. I am at my wit's end. This affects every major and minor aspect of my life but it can all be fixed with the change-of-mind of one person. ONE person. It can't be so hard. This is supposed to be the strongest type of magic and I am getting nowhere.

Waiting and waiting over three months.
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#11 Consumer Comment

From bad to worse

AUTHOR: Waiting - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Thursday, September 11, 2008
I don't want to say much more about the spell aim but my situation has gone from bad to terrible even during the spell. And the longer it goes on the worse it gets. I was told that the spell was going to be a success at the beginning but the worse things get the harder they will be to fix. I am at my wit's end. This affects every major and minor aspect of my life but it can all be fixed with the change-of-mind of one person. ONE person. It can't be so hard. This is supposed to be the strongest type of magic and I am getting nowhere.

Waiting and waiting over three months.
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#10 Consumer Comment

From bad to worse

AUTHOR: Waiting - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Thursday, September 11, 2008
I don't want to say much more about the spell aim but my situation has gone from bad to terrible even during the spell. And the longer it goes on the worse it gets. I was told that the spell was going to be a success at the beginning but the worse things get the harder they will be to fix. I am at my wit's end. This affects every major and minor aspect of my life but it can all be fixed with the change-of-mind of one person. ONE person. It can't be so hard. This is supposed to be the strongest type of magic and I am getting nowhere.

Waiting and waiting over three months.
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#9 Consumer Comment

From bad to worse

AUTHOR: Waiting - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Thursday, September 11, 2008
I don't want to say much more about the spell aim but my situation has gone from bad to terrible even during the spell. And the longer it goes on the worse it gets. I was told that the spell was going to be a success at the beginning but the worse things get the harder they will be to fix. I am at my wit's end. This affects every major and minor aspect of my life but it can all be fixed with the change-of-mind of one person. ONE person. It can't be so hard. This is supposed to be the strongest type of magic and I am getting nowhere.

Waiting and waiting over three months.
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#8 Consumer Comment

confusing

AUTHOR: Ana - (United Kingdom)

POSTED: Saturday, September 06, 2008
hi everyone!!!
i kept watching those ripp offs pilling up becouse i was scamed b4 and didnt want to let that happend again.but to be honest from what i have noticed some people just coment out of spite.i sent frater dantalion some emails asking him about my situation and allways got an answer to the subject and becouse of that now i am saving money to buy his services.just dosent seem fair to me that people that have nothing to do with their time are trying to mess us up when we really need help.ok so some spells might not work or take more then the time expected but that depends on how hard the situation is and just bc it didnt work in the way we belive it has to be it dosent mean the spell it a scam.
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#7 Consumer Comment

confusing

AUTHOR: Ana - (United Kingdom)

POSTED: Saturday, September 06, 2008
hi everyone!!!
i kept watching those ripp offs pilling up becouse i was scamed b4 and didnt want to let that happend again.but to be honest from what i have noticed some people just coment out of spite.i sent frater dantalion some emails asking him about my situation and allways got an answer to the subject and becouse of that now i am saving money to buy his services.just dosent seem fair to me that people that have nothing to do with their time are trying to mess us up when we really need help.ok so some spells might not work or take more then the time expected but that depends on how hard the situation is and just bc it didnt work in the way we belive it has to be it dosent mean the spell it a scam.
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#6 Consumer Comment

confusing

AUTHOR: Ana - (United Kingdom)

POSTED: Saturday, September 06, 2008
hi everyone!!!
i kept watching those ripp offs pilling up becouse i was scamed b4 and didnt want to let that happend again.but to be honest from what i have noticed some people just coment out of spite.i sent frater dantalion some emails asking him about my situation and allways got an answer to the subject and becouse of that now i am saving money to buy his services.just dosent seem fair to me that people that have nothing to do with their time are trying to mess us up when we really need help.ok so some spells might not work or take more then the time expected but that depends on how hard the situation is and just bc it didnt work in the way we belive it has to be it dosent mean the spell it a scam.
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#5 REBUTTAL Owner of company

BAD CLIENT

AUTHOR: Frater Dantalion - (United Kingdom)

POSTED: Friday, September 12, 2008
Meela, you have ignored all of my advice, and been too evil for words. You will not and cannot possibly get results after what you have done. Do not come here trying to upset others. YOU ARE TO BLAME AND YOU KNOW IT.

Why not say the truth?

You are to blame for the 'from bad to worst' - you. You need anger management classes.

Do not come back using a different username for revenge either. You are 100% to blame for everything.

There is no helping some people.

Bad client.
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#4 Consumer Comment

USA does not use sterling!

AUTHOR: Ernest - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Saturday, October 11, 2008
Another hint,

The USA does not use sterling. Any fool can see that the law referred to by you is for the E.U. European Union. See Step 7 - Delivery, of so-called USA law.

You're losing your grip on reality Frater!
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#3 REBUTTAL Owner of company

No results? The reason is because you haven't used my services.

AUTHOR: Frater Dantalion - (United Kingdom)

POSTED: Friday, September 05, 2008
Lies.

I've said all I have to say on another report. http://www.ripoffreport.com/reports/0/329/RipOff0329157.htm

Sadly anyone can post anything on ROR using fake names, you wouldn't post here if you had to prove you had been scammed and give your real name. Don't you know I can sue you for slander, then ROR would have to reveal your IP and you will not be able to hide.

I've not altered the wording on my website, so that I sound nicer.

Spell failure makes no one a scam.

I don't have any negative clients who would post nasty comments on ROR without talking to me first.

My wife's website? The only place that has been discussed is on the other report. I believe it does worry someone.

It's an old trick for competitors to bad mouth their rivals, however, there is an unwritten law that we spell casting sites mind our own business and never bad mouth each other, we get on with our work, there's more than enough clients for everyone. But... not everyone obeys that law, some are just too jealous and bitter...

I keep receiving emails from countless SEO companies offering to remove my report? It benefits some people greatly that I have lies on the internet about me.

I give out my address as Flat 62, why the box 62? Why indeed, it does upset someone in particular. Anyone who has read the other report knows who gets upset.

This report is 100% fake.
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#2 Consumer Comment

Spare us the threats....

AUTHOR: Robert - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Saturday, September 06, 2008
""Dantalion is correct on another point, he can get you for slander and your IP address can be exposed. I've seen that on another report for an individual who was slandering services received from Kasamba on these very same ROR's. So be very careful. ""

First, it's called libel, not slander and you have to be able to prove defamation.

That would be very interesting. I cannot recall any time in any U.S. jurisdiction wherea as a "psychic" successfully sued someone for calling the "psychic" a fake.

Even the more famous "psychics" have not attempted, let alone won, a lawsuit against someone for calling them fake.

Second, the poster's IP address cannot LEGALLY be obtain without a court order or a subpeona.

So, kindly spare the rest of us your veiled threats of legal action. I would love sit in the gallery of the court and watch the plaintiff PROVE he/she is really a psychic.
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AUTHOR: Meep - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Wednesday, October 29, 2008
As I have on other RoR's I will do here. Dantalion offers no evidence that any of these sites are run by Trae. Indeed some of his basic facts are off as the supposed similarities between the sites don't wash including the address. But that is beside the point.

Trae doesn't run even a single spellcasting site. The only relation to spellcasting sites he has is that he has exposed three of them and in the process shut one (actually a few demontratably owned by the same people) down. It is readily apparent from other RoR's that report Trae as the scam ringleader that there is not a shred of evidence to support the claim anywhere.

But, as I also do elsewhere, I don't ask you to believe me. Go to Dantalion's site, go to Trae's site, read all of the Dantalion reports and the reports against Trae. The only actual research you will find is on Trae's site and all of it can be backed up through independant means. Dantalion provides no such proof, nor do any of his defenders.

Do yourself a favor as a consumer and do the research yourself. I don't claim Dantalion is a scam. I feel that most, if not all of the sites of this kind are scams, but I make no claims against his site in particular. I only offer that, genuine or not, Dantalion uses Trae as a smokescreen to divert you away from the accusations made against him.

He inundates you with information, types in all caps, and takes you down all sorts of logical paths in hopes that if you read enough of it you'll give up and fail to realise he's never proven any of it.
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