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Report: #255836

Complaint Review: Intabill - Internet

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  • Intabill Internet U.S.A.
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Intabill Fraudulent online billing Internet

*Consumer Suggestion: To Andrew T and Everyone Else!

*Consumer Suggestion: To Andrew T and Everyone Else!

*Consumer Suggestion: To Andrew T and Everyone Else!

*Consumer Suggestion: To Andrew T and Everyone Else!

*Consumer Suggestion: Pleas tell me where and to go to????

*Consumer Comment: hmmmm.

*Consumer Comment: Andrew T

*UPDATE Employee: Update and response from Andrew T

*Consumer Comment: Andrew T You are nothing but a lair!!

*Consumer Suggestion: Now I want some answers Andrew T??

*Author of original report: Class Act Suit

*Consumer Comment: Aloha Everyone

*Consumer Suggestion: To Barbara

*Author of original report: To Iris

*Consumer Comment: REAL CULPRIT might have been found....

*Author of original report: To Zartoop and Brilynn

*Author of original report: To Zartoop and Brilynn

*Author of original report: To Zartoop and Brilynn

*Author of original report: To Zartoop and Brilynn

*Consumer Suggestion: Aloha Barabra and everyone!

*Consumer Suggestion: Australian info related to Intabill and other contact, search information

*Author of original report: To Brilynn

*Consumer Comment: I got a question ???? for everyone!!!!

*Author of original report: Hello Brilynn

*Author of original report: Hello Brilynn

*Author of original report: Hello Brilynn

*Author of original report: Hello Brilynn

*Consumer Comment: Correction on my Bank!

*Consumer Comment: Hey Barbara and Everyone!

*Author of original report: To Everyone!

*REBUTTAL Owner of company: Update to everyone - the proof is in, check here!

*REBUTTAL Owner of company: update to everyone here - here is the proof of the Greenzap link *Please read

*Author of original report: Hi Debbie!

*Consumer Comment: Aloha Debbie

*Author of original report: To Debbie

*Consumer Suggestion: BBB report to greenzap

*Consumer Suggestion: BBB report to greenzap

*Author of original report: To Andrew

*Author of original report: To Robert

*REBUTTAL Owner of company: Update - to everyone

*Consumer Suggestion: More information

*Consumer Suggestion: The bank knows

*Author of original report: To Robert

*Author of original report: To Robert

*Author of original report: To Robert

*Author of original report: To Robert

*Consumer Comment: Is there a criminal complaint anywhere

*Author of original report: To Everyone!

*Consumer Comment: Here is what I found in another form about Intabill and greenzap!

*Consumer Comment: Barbara and everyone

*Consumer Comment: Bank of America has granted an investigator to this issue - please read

*Author of original report: To Everyone!

*Consumer Suggestion: Possible address

*Consumer Comment: Email Addy For Andrew T.

*Consumer Comment: Andrew T!

*Author of original report: To Debbie

*Consumer Suggestion: Greenzap,and Intabill

*Author of original report: Update

*Author of original report: Update

*Author of original report: Update

*Author of original report: Update

*Author of original report: To Bart

*Consumer Comment: Greenzap is to blame

*Author of original report: To Brilynn

*Author of original report: To Tom

*Consumer Comment: Barbara - follow up

*Author of original report: Corrections

*Author of original report: To: Andrew T and Everybody Else He's Lied To:

*Author of original report: To Andrew T

*Consumer Suggestion: To Andrew T

*Consumer Comment: Finally A real respponse!

*REBUTTAL Owner of company: To Barbara

*Author of original report: To Andrew T

*REBUTTAL Owner of company: I am the only one who is responding online here and I am telling the truth

*Author of original report: This is DEFINITELY A Ripoff

*Consumer Comment: Who is telling the truth?

*REBUTTAL Owner of company: Greenzap.com is debiting your checking account - not Intabill.com

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I, too, was ripped off by Intabill when they sent an electronic check to my bank and it was paid. They ripped me off for $99.75 the same way they ripped off the gentleman from New Jersey.

Don't allow this company to rip you off also. Let's stop them now. Here's what they do. They have your name and bank account information. How they get it we don't know. They file an electronic check to your bank and I was told electronic checks are always paid. I've never used an electronic check from my checking account so I don't know where they got my routing number and checking account number. They signed my check electronically with the incorrect name. My checking account is not in the name they used so they messed up. The bank will process the check as long as the bank information is correct and that is something banks should not do. They need to reevaluate their electronic check procedures for sure.

I don't know who Intabill is but they need to be prosecuted and put in jail for what they are doing to innocent people.

Barbara
n/a, North Carolina
U.S.A.

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#77 Consumer Suggestion

To Andrew T and Everyone Else!

AUTHOR: Brilynn - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Friday, February 29, 2008
First off I would like to thank Andrew for is help in getting my mony returned to me after nearly 2. We had our down side about each other and we were able to talk to each othere and get it resolved. Andew I just wante to say thank you very much and that I would like to apologize for those words that were said by me. You did a great and fast job in getting my monies returned back to me. Once again Thank and Mahalo's to you Andrew.
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#76 Consumer Suggestion

To Andrew T and Everyone Else!

AUTHOR: Brilynn - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Friday, February 29, 2008
First off I would like to thank Andrew for is help in getting my mony returned to me after nearly 2. We had our down side about each other and we were able to talk to each othere and get it resolved. Andew I just wante to say thank you very much and that I would like to apologize for those words that were said by me. You did a great and fast job in getting my monies returned back to me. Once again Thank and Mahalo's to you Andrew.
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#75 Consumer Suggestion

To Andrew T and Everyone Else!

AUTHOR: Brilynn - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Friday, February 29, 2008
First off I would like to thank Andrew for is help in getting my mony returned to me after nearly 2. We had our down side about each other and we were able to talk to each othere and get it resolved. Andew I just wante to say thank you very much and that I would like to apologize for those words that were said by me. You did a great and fast job in getting my monies returned back to me. Once again Thank and Mahalo's to you Andrew.
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#74 Consumer Suggestion

To Andrew T and Everyone Else!

AUTHOR: Brilynn - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Friday, February 29, 2008
First off I would like to thank Andrew for is help in getting my mony returned to me after nearly 2. We had our down side about each other and we were able to talk to each othere and get it resolved. Andew I just wante to say thank you very much and that I would like to apologize for those words that were said by me. You did a great and fast job in getting my monies returned back to me. Once again Thank and Mahalo's to you Andrew.
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#73 Consumer Suggestion

Pleas tell me where and to go to????

AUTHOR: Brilynn - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Saturday, February 23, 2008
to the last person who wrote the last one below Adrew T can you please give an idea where and who we can go to, o file those charges. I am having a hard time with it and still have not gotten my money back. Could use some idea on where to go.
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#72 Consumer Comment

hmmmm.

AUTHOR: Robert - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Wednesday, February 06, 2008
NOTHING on the FBI website indicates that the FBI is investigating this matter of charges from Greenzap or Intabill.

The webpage referenced is generic - it's for anyone who has any type of unauthorized bank charges to file a complaint.

So far, the only source claiming the FBI is working on this particular situation is the employee of Intabill.

I said it many months ago on this report - folks need to file CRIMINAL complaints to get law enforcement envolved. Especially when the consumer's bank appears unwilling to unravel the mystery.

I wish everyone who is seeking remedy good luck and I hope you get your money back.

It's fine and dandy to file complaints, but criminal bank fraud charges should be made by every consumer who has experienced these unauthorized charges.
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#71 Consumer Comment

Andrew T

AUTHOR: Brilynn - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Saturday, February 02, 2008
Andrew I have been waiting for you to respond to me from the very begining and have asked on numorous occassions on this forum quite politley and yet have not gotten a response from you (did you apologize for that no), I have even sent an email to you as you stated earlier on and and an email to integeraty bank as well as you stated and have not heard from them either, and Now your asking for an apology. Don't get wrong me but I will apologize if it is so true that you and your company is telling the truth and I will hold myself to that.

Like I explained to you in the email I sent to you, I will after I have my bank verify that the FBI is involved and that something is being done, I am still angry at the fact that you stated to many of us to contact you and integeraty bank so we would be able to get our monies returned with both of your help and yet none of you responded back to us. The only thing I can be sorry for is being angry at the fact that I was told by Bank Of America that they will not be refunding my account because of the match in name and address, the question is I still would have had to authorize it and I never did because I have never heard of Intalbill in my life until all of this happend.

But anyways like I stated in the email I sent you and on here I will be glad to apologize when my bank verify's that the FBI is involve. I say that because I have been hounding them to press the issue with getting this matter resolved even though they have no other leads (due to the fact that we are not located in Australia and USA) and at least maybe they have something to go on now and can give me answers as well as they get theirs.
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#70 UPDATE Employee

Update and response from Andrew T

AUTHOR: Andrew - (Australia)

POSTED: Thursday, January 31, 2008
In relation to the Greenzap billing scandal, I was contacted yesterday by an agent from the FBI in San Diego. The FBI is currently investigating the unauthorized bank debit scam and asked for Intabill to help with their investigation.

The agent that I spoke to confirmed that Greenzap and Damon Westmoreland is behind the unauthorized transactions AND that Intabill.com - the company in Australia - has nothing to do with the problems reported here.

The San Diego division of the FBI has set up a web link specific to this problem and I was told that ANYONE who has had this problem not be resolved needs to go to their website.

Here is the link to the San Diego FBI website:

http://sandiego.fbi.gov/

The link for the unauthorized bank withdrawls is near the bottom of the page, center column with this heading: Unauthorized bank Withdrawls Learn More...

The URL for that specific link is here: http://sandiego.fbi.gov/unauthorizedbankwithdrawls.htm

The information on that form will go directly to the agent that I spoke to. Additional investigations into this crime is likely to be done by the FBI and I expect that eventual charges will be filed against Greenzap.

I encourage EVERYONE who is reading this to go to this website, or have their local law enforcement go to this website and file a complaint so that their situation can get resolved.

Now. For my personal response.

It is not easy for me to read this column and suffer some of the hurtful comments on this forum. As a consumer, I completely understand the need for a forum such as ripoffreport.com and I understand that there is tremendous benefit for having such a meeting place online.

However, because of how this forum is constructed anything and everything can be posted here. Neither my comments, nor those from other consumers are regulated or censored. This forum is self policing, which means that many different opinions are offered here and it is up to the reader to decide for themselves who, if anyone, is right.

From nearly the very beginning of this forum thread I have posted in my own name, with my own contact information and I have always firmly insisted that neither Intabill.com (nor myself) had anything to do with the transaction problems here BUT that since our name was being dragged in the dirt, we would do anything and everything possible to clear it up.

Intabill employees spent countless hours researching this situation, we invested in technology to further this investigation, we spoke with many different law enforcement agencies throughout the US and even hired a very good and very expensive private detective who specializes in bank payments. This private detective was able to prove beyond a doubt that Damon Westmoreland and Greenzap was behind the unauthorized bank debits and that Intabill.com for sure had nothing to do with these problems. I considered the matter mostly closed at that point.

I have not returned to this forum in a few weeks and it would seem that I have missed some other development. Despite all of the facts that have been presented, there are still a few who are now sure that not only Intabill.com - the Australian company - but myself also are directly to blame for this very unfortunate situation. In more recent posts, I have been actually called a liar. I have withstood several earlier complaints and name calling because I know what it is like to have money missing, I too have been frustrated at banks for problems with missing money. Many of the people who posted here didn't have all of the facts and while I don't agree that they would lash out at me or Intabill I understood their frustration. But the time for weathering these attacks has long gone.

Given what I have written above about the FBI agent from San Diego, I would like an apology from Brilynn. Because the name calling was public, on this forum thread, I would like for the apology to be on this same thread. I am not a liar and I do not appreciate being called a liar regarding this situation. I have done nothing but try and help you and you have repaid my goodwill and kindness with contempt and now a public name calling that I would like to stop. If you would also like to speak to me directly, you can do so (((ROR redacted)))

CLICK here to see why Rip-off Report, as a matter of policy, deleted either a phone number, link or e-mail address from this Report.
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#69 Consumer Comment

Andrew T You are nothing but a lair!!

AUTHOR: Brilynn - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Tuesday, January 22, 2008
Ok Andrew I waited for several months and did not hear from you at all. Now I can say to everyone that has been ripped off do not believe this so called Andrew T if he is telling you all to contact him and he will contact you, because he never ever cntacted me at all and I have asked him so many times to contact me. The only thing I can say is I will cut my losses and I hope and pray that if this andrew person can steal from us (our banks) then I hope someone steals from him all of the monies that he stole from all of us get's stolen from him, you know why because pay back is a **itch. You Lair.....
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#68 Consumer Suggestion

Now I want some answers Andrew T??

AUTHOR: Brilynn - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Thursday, November 29, 2007
Hey everyone,

I wanted to know how many of you recieved a letter or heard about your case in getting your money back????

Well, I just got a letter back from my bank (Bank of Hawaii) who recieved a letter from Bank of America.. In that letter it said that it will not give me my refund back due to the name and address matching and that I have to call the company Intabill to get my refund back.

My Question is Who the heck is telling the truth Andrew says he is but yet Bank of America says that it them that debted the account...

Andrew for your companies name sake if you are telling the truth then my suggestion to you is to start cantacting me and the rest of these people with real answers... I really dont think its right to say all of these things and we are not getting our money back because Bank of America says address and names match, the thing is I didnt sign anything and I didnt even hear of your company until it was taken out..

For the last time I am asking you Andrew T if you are telling the truth then contact me here is my email address Rauntee@juno.com ( please do not remove my email) If I dont here from you then everyone here knows that you are lying..

So what will it be the truth or a lie Andrew T?

I have contacted Bank of America and left a message for them to contact me because there is no way I authorized those 2 checks for that company.... I also told them that if nothing is done they will be sued as well... So if any of you did get a letter from them and your bank stating that you were not getting a refund of those checks, I suggest that you call them and inform them that you are going to sue them.. This is Bank of America's Number for fraud 1-800-317-6345 press option 3 and enter ext # 3247..

The other Number that was gien to me to get a refund from which is what they say is the companies phone 1-646-352-0268. I called the number it is some kind of phone company that uses some kind of speech phone... I waited about a 1/2 hour on a long distance call and no one picked to phone at all, and I plan on calling back till someone picks up I am real pissed off...
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#67 Author of original report

Class Act Suit

AUTHOR: Barbara - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Sunday, November 25, 2007
The only thing I can suggest is a Class Act Suit for those who have not gotten their money back. I'm sure you can find an attorney possibly online who will handle it for you.

For the rest of us who received our money back from our banks, we don't legally have a dog in this hunt I was told.

If I can help any one of you, I would definitely do so, but I don't know what I can do under these circumstances. I am disabled and have been in and out of the hospital so many times, that I've lost count. Plus the one person I had who was trying to help me disappeared because he couldn't contact me weeks at a time while I was in the hospital. And, too, since I had to reformat my harddrive because of a nasty bug, I lost all my previous email addresses. Do there's not much I can do now.

Please advise if there's anything I can do to help the group and I will. But please look for someone online who can help you file the class act suit. Or, if one of you have a personal banker who might be able to get someone to file for you. That needs to be investigated. There's someone out there who can help you. Keep trying.

barbara
north carolina
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#66 Consumer Comment

Aloha Everyone

AUTHOR: Brilynn - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Sunday, November 25, 2007
Aloha everyone first I sorry I havent been on for a while it is because my computer went down and now have it fixed, but anyways I still have not heard anything about getiing my money back.. I talk and keep in contact with my bank about the situation and still nothing..

If what andrew is sayin is true then why have we not been refunded yet? Andrew things need to move faster its been over a year and still not a thing has been done and if what you posted is true then why is it still taking so long for everyone to get thier monies back, that is not right that we the people have to wait this long and still not has really been done about christmas is nearing and I could use the monies for gifts for family but what will it do if I don't have it back...

Another question is why don't your company refund everyone and then your company can go after those peopl who is doing the wrong... We are willing to help your company out, but your company is not willing to help me and the rest of these people out.. Hmmm I don't know what to think or beileve because nothing is still not being done about it...

Well Barbara I don't know what anyone can really do if the company who says they are telling the truth can't seem to get this thing going any faster. It is a crying shame that people can ripoff people with out feeling guilty, I just hope that what came around goes around back at them and I hope they lose all of thier millions that they have made from stealing from other gets ripped off too, maybe then they will know how it feels to steal from people they don't know...
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#65 Consumer Suggestion

To Barbara

AUTHOR: Debbie - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Tuesday, September 11, 2007
Hey Barbara, I have been on line in awhile becasue I ahve been doing some investigating of my own,I wrote yesterday to the lady in new jersey,but I posted the mans name wrong.It is Damon Wesmorland. He is the owner of GreenZap among other company names he hs.

As you well know I was hit in june to for 99.75 from a company called intabill. Well dummy me let things go in reference to closing my account by the advise of my bank.Guess What I got hit again on the 27 of august this time for the amount of 59.85. The company this time was Mazumah which as a false name. the real name is mypayment.biz. I talked to someone there and they flat out told me they were hired on behalf of greenzap to debit our accounts for fees owed for having a accountwith greenzap. which i have not had for over 2 years but greenzap keeps all our information on file.

So as you can see from my checking around greenzap is at the base of this fraud and they hire companies outside of greenzap to do teir dirty work and steal our money,who knows if these othe companies know what they are doing is fraud,they are all payment companies that are idependently hired by greenzap,
and debit our money on their behalf.

I wrote the BBB awhile ago and guess what greenzap and Damon/David westmoreland which ever his name may be refused to answer the alligations.not surprising.

My account is now shut an I have a new one.

But I m just not happy with filling reports because it is getting us nowhere and they continue to hit people left and right.

Have any ideas on how we can start a class action suit? and who we accually go after?

When and if I can find more info I will post it
talk to ya soon take care,
and anyone reading this SHUT DOWN your bank accounts now and get new ones,so the dont get you again.
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#64 Author of original report

To Iris

AUTHOR: Barbara - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Saturday, August 25, 2007
Hi Iris,

I'm so sorry to hear that they have taken your money on numerous occasions. Why haven't you closed your accounts and reopen new ones?

Also, if you have some idea who the "real culprit" is, please honor us with that person's name. We are all anxious to "pound him to a pulp" if you know what I mean :).

Thank you.

barbara
north carolina
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#63 Consumer Comment

REAL CULPRIT might have been found....

AUTHOR: Iris - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Friday, August 24, 2007
My money was stolen SEVEN TIMES from a different place just ONE MONTH after the fraudulent intabill charges happened to me. Read: http://www.ripoffreport.com/reports/0/269/RipOff0269908.htm
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#62 Author of original report

To Zartoop and Brilynn

AUTHOR: Barbara - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Tuesday, August 21, 2007
Hello to everyone. Just got out of the hospital today and haven't been available to see your followups.

It seems that some interesting information has been uncovered by Zartoop but there are symbols and things in the message that is not understandable by me. I'm not familiar at all with these symbols and have no idea of what you're trying to say in certain places.

Can you break your email down to a few plain facts, please? Since I'm not at all familiar with Australian dialect, business formations and other customs, I don't particularly know what information you are giving us.

Thank you for explaining, if you don't mind!
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#61 Author of original report

To Zartoop and Brilynn

AUTHOR: Barbara - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Tuesday, August 21, 2007
Hello to everyone. Just got out of the hospital today and haven't been available to see your followups.

It seems that some interesting information has been uncovered by Zartoop but there are symbols and things in the message that is not understandable by me. I'm not familiar at all with these symbols and have no idea of what you're trying to say in certain places.

Can you break your email down to a few plain facts, please? Since I'm not at all familiar with Australian dialect, business formations and other customs, I don't particularly know what information you are giving us.

Thank you for explaining, if you don't mind!
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#60 Author of original report

To Zartoop and Brilynn

AUTHOR: Barbara - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Tuesday, August 21, 2007
Hello to everyone. Just got out of the hospital today and haven't been available to see your followups.

It seems that some interesting information has been uncovered by Zartoop but there are symbols and things in the message that is not understandable by me. I'm not familiar at all with these symbols and have no idea of what you're trying to say in certain places.

Can you break your email down to a few plain facts, please? Since I'm not at all familiar with Australian dialect, business formations and other customs, I don't particularly know what information you are giving us.

Thank you for explaining, if you don't mind!
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#59 Author of original report

To Zartoop and Brilynn

AUTHOR: Barbara - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Tuesday, August 21, 2007
Hello to everyone. Just got out of the hospital today and haven't been available to see your followups.

It seems that some interesting information has been uncovered by Zartoop but there are symbols and things in the message that is not understandable by me. I'm not familiar at all with these symbols and have no idea of what you're trying to say in certain places.

Can you break your email down to a few plain facts, please? Since I'm not at all familiar with Australian dialect, business formations and other customs, I don't particularly know what information you are giving us.

Thank you for explaining, if you don't mind!
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#58 Consumer Suggestion

Aloha Barabra and everyone!

AUTHOR: Brilynn - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Thursday, August 16, 2007
It looks like we have someone in Australia trying to help out with information on this Intabill situation...

I haven't heard anything else nor did that company ever get back to me either and I am starting to raging mad about this.

to the person that last responded to this rebuttal I would like you to send me any and all info to my email ( Please do not delete my e-mail) Rauntee@juno.com so i can take to my bank to allow them for more investigation on this cause. That Macay letter that you read above is because my bank did request them to investigate the situation and if they are not doing it then my bank needs to know to persue other ways to investigate it. It's been several months and still nothing turns up. If you are in Australia then please help us out by going to the apporiate authroties with all of this information here on this site and tell them that all us was ripped off by this intabill that claims to come from Australia... Your help would mean alot to all us who wants our money back being that it caused most of some hardship....

Thank You Brilynn
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#57 Consumer Suggestion

Australian info related to Intabill and other contact, search information

AUTHOR: Zartoop - (Australia)

POSTED: Tuesday, August 07, 2007
I am from Australia and read this thread with interest whilst researching a merchant for my online business.

What follows should be constructive in regard to tracking down further info about Intabill and associated entities.

I am contributing for two reasons;
1) to help those overseas track down Australian information, and
2) provide advice that may help the less internet savvy mine information

Note to ED: please don't delete the web addresses in this report


Introduction
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I came across Intabill whilst Google searching for "merchant account". Their name was displayed as an Adwords ad at the very top of the page.

My suspicion was raised when their website:
- stated that merchant transactions were processed with "a bank in the Philippines"
- their rates were significantly higher than many other processors
- they asked for every bit of information required by most banks when directly opening a merchant account, with virtually no explanation, client testimonials, no address in their documents apart from the contact page
- their business name and other details are somewhat irregular
- a Google search yielded little information about online stores using their services

Of course much of this could simply be attributed to slack business / website practices but I felt warranted further pursuit.

Somebody is being billed for Intabill ads and their Google Analytics account info is "UA-2091062-1". This info is gained by viewing the source of any website that uses Google Analytics / Adwords.

Queensland is state of Australia. Milton is a suburb of Brisbane which is the capital of Qld.

I have no idea why the Qld Fair Trading person that you are dealing with is based in Mackay as that is a regional city 900 km from Brisbane. I suggest that the Brisbane head office be contacted - http://www.fairtrading.qld.gov.au/oft/oftweb.nsf/AllDocs/RWP0C6AD84F54681EBF4A256B66001AF8AC?OpenDocument&L1=About+Us
That office is less 5 mins drive / 20 min walk to the reported address for Intabill of Park Rd Milton

The closest police station is right in Milton - Milton Police Beat Shopfront Baroona Road Shopping Centre Baroona Rd Milton 4064 +61 7 3109 5700 - minutes away from the reported address for Intabill. Don't hold your breath though for many reasons ....

Media might be interested and the two prime time current affairs shows are "A Current Affair" http://aca.ninemsn.com.au and "Today Tonight" http://au.todaytonight.yahoo.com

20 Park Rd Milton is the Savior Faire Complex Located on Park Road, just behind the Eiffle Tower. Savoir Faire is a mixed use development containing four storeys of office accommodation, two rows of terrace style shops & two levels of basement parking. http://www.propertylook.com.au/search/results.asp?st=2&c=AU&l=QLD&pt=O&pg=2

Colliers are the leasing agents - a nice call or email to them might get them to confirm or otherwise the tenant at 27 and 2 (Intaworks??) Also try Linked In and see if a friend of a friend will check it out (6 degrees of separation)

The site http://www.asic.gov.au is the national Australian site for all things company/business etc. A search of their National Names Index reveals that Intabill is Business Name only i.e. a sole proprietor or partnership. Note: They are not a company and their official name in Australia is not Intabill Inc (I think the use of Inc is actually specifically prohibited for Business Names)

It is extremely unusual that a company that claims big business has such a structure.

Intaworks is not registered at all.

The site a http://www.abr.gov.au is the Australian Business Register. Intabill would be required to be registered for GST and be required to have an ABN. They are not listed at all quite irregular.

Any one can order a business / company search from the information brokers listed on the ASIC website at http://www.asic.gov.au/asic/asic.nsf/byheadline/Information+brokers?opendocument Charges start at about $30AUD. Such a report on Intabill will provide a great deal of information including addresses, owners, credit, judgements etc. the info will only be as good as the original documents that were filed. That filing could have been done from anywhere in the world via post and no identity checks of any nature are required to register a business.

Loose identity checks are required for an ABN / GST registration.

As a result a person could purport to have a business in Australia and not exisit here at all draw your own conclusions

The Australian whitepages phone directory is at http://www.whitepages.com.au There are a number of listings for the personal names mentioned is this thread. Skype would be a cheap way to try the few that match and see what happens.

There are no listings for any of the businesses very irregular. Australia does not have reverse phone lookup.

Further phone number info can be gained from me via personal email I will only respond to you if you are a contributor to this thread the reasons for requiring direct request will become obvious when you contact me. tony.hancock@hancock.com.au

Any historical versions of pretty much any website can be gained for free from the Wayback machine at http://www.archive.org Intabill makes interesting reading I'll leave that to you.

A vast array of domain, webhost, owner and HISTORY information can be gained from DomianTools at http://www.domaintools.com/ You will need a membership for them (free trial and from 15US) It is a hugely useful tool and well worth using. I am not able to publish the results of my search there but I strongly suggest that you do your own.

There are two other entities / websites that are associated and or related with Intabill - they are Intarev.com (which also has the same physical address of 2/20 Park as the unfindable Intaworks) and MerchSolutions.com Both are interesting - do your own research see http://www.aboutus.org/Intarev.com for more related domains - if that page is taken down before you get there please email as I have saved it.

Hope all this helps in some way in clearing matters up for Intabill and those affected by what ever is going on.

Note to Andrew T
I have attempted to portray facts as they are publicly available on the internet.

I would not have condensed this information if certain facts did not raise red flags such as;
- irregular registrations both business and domain
- addresses in Australia, Philippines, St Kitts and Nevis, USA, Caribbean
- irregular Terms and Conditions and other strange documents on your website
- various phone numbers and addresses that don't match
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#56 Author of original report

To Brilynn

AUTHOR: Barbara - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Monday, July 23, 2007
Thank you Brilynn for that information, but I never had any dealings with Greenzap whatsoever. I signed up though but never had the opportunity to do any transactions with them because I had other accounts like PayPal and Stormpay that did everything I needed.

I think I was referred to Greenzap by someone and signed up because it was FREE. I see now that everything that says FREE don't necessarily have to be so!

However, I'm not taking Intabill off the hook either until more specific information comes through that clears their name. I just don't want any of them to feel that I was born yesterday!

I filed another complaint this weekend. I'm never going to give it up.

barbara
north carolina
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#55 Consumer Comment

I got a question ???? for everyone!!!!

AUTHOR: Brilynn - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Monday, July 23, 2007
First of way go Barbara, Try an see if you can call the number on the email the I posted if it shows up even the email I hoping that Sue logs on to this site to all the frauds that took place with Intabill.

Ok now some a serious question, many of you has stated that it is greenzap that is doing it right??? Well I thought I would fill you in on something that I never said anything about that happends to deal with greenzap.. A couple of years ago they with drew from my account of $100.00 on 2 different occassion with out my permission, however, I did inquire about that with greenzap for both withdrawls, at that time they refunded both unauthrorized transactions but on the second one I ask them to also close my account with them and they did and since then I have never had any unauthorized withdrawls from them and to think I had my bank account for nearly 5 years now with that and had never had to colse it up until these tranaction took place.. So I went back to look at some old statements and guess what I found you got it the unauthorized withdraws from Greenzap oh not mention that it does not say Intabill but instead it says pos from Greenzap, Inc.
Now what I wanna know is have any of you had any transactions with greenzap back then if you did go and look at your old statements and please tell me if it shows Intabill or greenzap?

I'm sorry I didn't say anything until now, but that is why I didn't and still don't believe Andrew, I felt and still feel he is not telling the truth. If that intabill is telling the truth then why has it not been solve yet and as a good company would do, they would be either calling or emailing everyone on updates of what is happenning not only that they should be send out forms that they have filed a claim for restitution to all those who was frauded so they can send those who was fraud a payment of what is owed.

I know greenzap has a bad name but as I followed it, it was due to the fact that no-one got anything in return as they were getting people to sign up for zap.

But anyways if any of did have any payment you sent to greenzap try and locate your old statements I sure it will say greenzap and not intabill, cause mines shows greenzap and not intabill. Hope this helps some of you out into trying to find the truth on who is to blame.

I hope you run a check on that you will find the truth!

Oh! one more thing some banks can research it for you as mines did that is why they questioned me first before pursuing the fraud charges on them.

hope this helps! Aloha Brilynn
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#54 Author of original report

Hello Brilynn

AUTHOR: Barbara - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Saturday, July 21, 2007
You go girl! Every step forward will get us closer to the culprits. If we work as a team and let each other know our progress regularly, this case will be solved.

I went to the San Diego Police Department site and filled out a complaint form against Greenzap aka Intabill. I filed a complaint with the BBB in San Diego also.

I can't begin to tell you how many complaints I have filed all over the country and in Brisbane, Australia at the Australia Competition and Consumer Commission on their website www.accc.gov.au/content/index.phtml/itemId/325459.

I'm awaiting a response from the Brisbane police department and the San Diego police department. So, I'm not sitting on my laurels waiting for miracles to happen. Every day I'm looking for another agency to file a complaint with. I'm making up a formal complaint now for Action Nine in my state. Since they love to figure stuff out and find the causes behind situations, I hope they will look into our issue and start something big and blast it all over the TV. I've emailed every TV station also but no one has responded to me yet. If they get enough complaints sent to them, somebody will get the picture and start checking on the story.

So, let's all email, call, or write to our TV program news departments and let them know this is a scam that should be televised to prevent these perverts from taking other people's hard earned money. LET'S MAKE SOME NOISEPEOPLE! Everybody else can get on TV, why not us?

barbara
north carolina
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#53 Author of original report

Hello Brilynn

AUTHOR: Barbara - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Saturday, July 21, 2007
You go girl! Every step forward will get us closer to the culprits. If we work as a team and let each other know our progress regularly, this case will be solved.

I went to the San Diego Police Department site and filled out a complaint form against Greenzap aka Intabill. I filed a complaint with the BBB in San Diego also.

I can't begin to tell you how many complaints I have filed all over the country and in Brisbane, Australia at the Australia Competition and Consumer Commission on their website www.accc.gov.au/content/index.phtml/itemId/325459.

I'm awaiting a response from the Brisbane police department and the San Diego police department. So, I'm not sitting on my laurels waiting for miracles to happen. Every day I'm looking for another agency to file a complaint with. I'm making up a formal complaint now for Action Nine in my state. Since they love to figure stuff out and find the causes behind situations, I hope they will look into our issue and start something big and blast it all over the TV. I've emailed every TV station also but no one has responded to me yet. If they get enough complaints sent to them, somebody will get the picture and start checking on the story.

So, let's all email, call, or write to our TV program news departments and let them know this is a scam that should be televised to prevent these perverts from taking other people's hard earned money. LET'S MAKE SOME NOISEPEOPLE! Everybody else can get on TV, why not us?

barbara
north carolina
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#52 Author of original report

Hello Brilynn

AUTHOR: Barbara - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Saturday, July 21, 2007
You go girl! Every step forward will get us closer to the culprits. If we work as a team and let each other know our progress regularly, this case will be solved.

I went to the San Diego Police Department site and filled out a complaint form against Greenzap aka Intabill. I filed a complaint with the BBB in San Diego also.

I can't begin to tell you how many complaints I have filed all over the country and in Brisbane, Australia at the Australia Competition and Consumer Commission on their website www.accc.gov.au/content/index.phtml/itemId/325459.

I'm awaiting a response from the Brisbane police department and the San Diego police department. So, I'm not sitting on my laurels waiting for miracles to happen. Every day I'm looking for another agency to file a complaint with. I'm making up a formal complaint now for Action Nine in my state. Since they love to figure stuff out and find the causes behind situations, I hope they will look into our issue and start something big and blast it all over the TV. I've emailed every TV station also but no one has responded to me yet. If they get enough complaints sent to them, somebody will get the picture and start checking on the story.

So, let's all email, call, or write to our TV program news departments and let them know this is a scam that should be televised to prevent these perverts from taking other people's hard earned money. LET'S MAKE SOME NOISEPEOPLE! Everybody else can get on TV, why not us?

barbara
north carolina
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#51 Author of original report

Hello Brilynn

AUTHOR: Barbara - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Saturday, July 21, 2007
You go girl! Every step forward will get us closer to the culprits. If we work as a team and let each other know our progress regularly, this case will be solved.

I went to the San Diego Police Department site and filled out a complaint form against Greenzap aka Intabill. I filed a complaint with the BBB in San Diego also.

I can't begin to tell you how many complaints I have filed all over the country and in Brisbane, Australia at the Australia Competition and Consumer Commission on their website www.accc.gov.au/content/index.phtml/itemId/325459.

I'm awaiting a response from the Brisbane police department and the San Diego police department. So, I'm not sitting on my laurels waiting for miracles to happen. Every day I'm looking for another agency to file a complaint with. I'm making up a formal complaint now for Action Nine in my state. Since they love to figure stuff out and find the causes behind situations, I hope they will look into our issue and start something big and blast it all over the TV. I've emailed every TV station also but no one has responded to me yet. If they get enough complaints sent to them, somebody will get the picture and start checking on the story.

So, let's all email, call, or write to our TV program news departments and let them know this is a scam that should be televised to prevent these perverts from taking other people's hard earned money. LET'S MAKE SOME NOISEPEOPLE! Everybody else can get on TV, why not us?

barbara
north carolina
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#50 Consumer Comment

Correction on my Bank!

AUTHOR: Brilynn - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Saturday, July 21, 2007
Aloha!

For some reason each time I say Bank of Hawaii it keeps comming out to Bank of America..

Well I bank with Bank of Hawaii not Bank Of America Please let it be know correctly.. Thank You!
Brilynn
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#49 Consumer Comment

Hey Barbara and Everyone!

AUTHOR: Brilynn - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Thursday, July 19, 2007
Aloha Barbara and Everyone,

Here is a letter that I recieved from Sue who is out in the Queenslands area doing the investitagation for my Bank (Bank of America) Although there are not quite any promises it is something that may help us out.

I have also replied back to her letting her that there has been many of us that it had happend to I alos gave this sites link so she could see for herself all of the people that it happend to, hopefully she checks it out since I am not the only one.

Here is a copy of the email that she sent me as well as my response to her, I wanna make sure she knows that all of us has been had and I wanted you all to know that I am still poundering this fraud because unlike most of you I too I have never ever heard of this Intabill up untill the fraud of my bank account.


Good Morning Brilynn

I am writing to you in relation to a complaint that has been forwarded from State of Hawaii Office of Consumer Protection, Department of Commerce and Consumer Affairs to our Office in Mackay Queensland Australia.

I would like to clarify some details of your complaint and they are as follows:
Did you have any dealings with Intabill ?
Do you know how you think Intabill could have obtained your banking account details ?
Do I have your permission to divulge some or all of your details including your name, address and a copy of your letter to the Trader (Intabill) ?

Although your complaint will be taken up by this Office with a view to assisting you, the Commissioner for Fair Trading is not empowered to either force a trader to provide compensation, or to adjudicate disputes where evidence provided by two parties conflicts, but must rely on the traders willingness to negotiate a settlement.

Should the advice received not be acceptable, you may wish to seek your own independent legal advice through a solicitor of your choice or a community legal service. This advice may lead to you lodging a claim in a relevant Tribunal or a Court of competent jurisdiction.

If no response is received from you by Thursday 26 July 2007, the file will be closed and no further enquiries will be taken in respect to your matter.

Kind Regards


Sue Ludkin
A/Service Delivery Officer
Mackay
Department of Tourism, Fair Trading
& Wine Industry Development
Phone: 07 4969 3001 Fax: 07 4969 3007
Email:susan.ludkin@dtftwid.qld.gov.au
http://www.dtftwid.qld.gov.au




Hello Sue,

The answer to all three questions is no I have never dealt with Intabill in my life, I have also never heard of them until I have seen it on my statement. I also would like you to know that I am not the only one that it happend to, there are many of us from all over the States you can further check it out at www.ripoffreport.com once there type in Intabill in the search button and it will take to all of the complaints. If you need further information please feel free to e-mail me or call me at 808-965-6512 and I will be gland to anwer anymore questions the best that I can.

Aloha Brilynn XXXXXX


I hope this is good news to some of you and I will be keeping you inform as much as I can.

Aloha, Brilynn
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#48 Author of original report

To Everyone!

AUTHOR: Barbara - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Thursday, July 19, 2007
Andrew has given us some information we can check on. I suggest we all file complaints to the police department in San Diego, CA so they can investigate this company called Mazumah, Inc.

If and when we should get a response from the police department, then we will know how to proceed with our suit against the company. Since Andrew says that this is a Bank of America customer and that their account has been frozen, then let's try to "freeze" it some more. All those who wish to be involved in the overall suing of this company, please advise here and I'll see what I can do to get it going.

Until I can get the information confirmed that Andrew gave us, my "sh__list" will remain the same. I'm not going to trust anyone ever again with my personal information that's for sure. Also, people can lie, steal and cheat over the internet and you'll be hard pressed to figure out who they are because anyone who has any computer programming knowledge can hide themselves very well.

Let's at least get confirmation from the police or Bank of America in San Diego, CA before we call a spade a spade.

barbara
north carolina
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#47 REBUTTAL Owner of company

update to everyone here - here is the proof of the Greenzap link *Please read

AUTHOR: Andrew - (Australia)

POSTED: Thursday, July 19, 2007
Attention everyone,

This posting is done as Andrew from Intabill.com

David Press of Integrity Bankcard has completed his investigation with regards to the Bank of America account.
Here is result of the investigation:

Bank of America Account: 24687-06913
Is owned by:

Mazumah Inc.
6160 Lusk #C2303
San Diego, California

FEIN #: 571170150

Account Opened: 11/2003

The State of California Secretary of State lists Mazumah as below:
http://kepler.sos.ca.gov/list.html

Corporation
MAZUMAH, INC.
Number: C2537544 Date Filed: 5/23/2003 Status: active
Jurisdiction: California
Address
3525 DEL MAR HEIGHTS RD STE 213
SAN DIEGO, CA 92130
Agent for Service of Process
DAMON E WESTMORELAND
3525 DEL MAR HEIGHTS RD STE 213
SAN DIEGO, CA 92130

Damon Westmoreland is the public Owner/Director of Greenzap
http://www.24-7pressrelease.com/pdf/2006/03/09/press_release_11857.pdf

The Bank of America is investigating this account and the account is frozen.

If anyone has ANY questions about this information, please contact David Press at:
630-637-4010
or:
info@integritybankcard.net
or you can contact me.
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#46 REBUTTAL Owner of company

Update to everyone - the proof is in, check here!

AUTHOR: Andrew - (Australia)

POSTED: Wednesday, July 18, 2007
Attention everyone,

This posting is done as Andrew from Intabill.com

David Press of Integrity Bankcard has completed his investigation with regards to the Bank of America account.

Here is result of the investigation:

Bank of America Account: 24687-06913

Is owned by:
Mazumah Inc.
6160 Lusk #C2303
San Diego, California

FEIN #: 571170150
Account Opened: 11/2003

The State of California Secretary of State lists Mazumah as below:
http://kepler.sos.ca.gov/list.html

Corporation
MAZUMAH, INC.
Number: C2537544 Date Filed: 5/23/2003 Status: active
Jurisdiction: California
Address
3525 DEL MAR HEIGHTS RD STE 213
SAN DIEGO, CA 92130
Agent for Service of Process
DAMON E WESTMORELAND
3525 DEL MAR HEIGHTS RD STE 213
SAN DIEGO, CA 92130

Damon Westmoreland is the public Owner/Director of Greenzap
http://www.24-7pressrelease.com/pdf/2006/03/09/press_release_11857.pdf

The Bank of America is investigating this account and the account is frozen.

If anyone has ANY questions about this information, please contact David Press at:

630-637-4010

or:

info@integritybankcard.net

or you can contact me.
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#45 Author of original report

Hi Debbie!

AUTHOR: Barbara - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Sunday, July 15, 2007
So good to hear from you again. Sorry that you didn't get your money back and I hope you will real soon.

The problem most of us have is that since our banks refunded our monies, they are not obligated to tell us anything about their investigative process. It becomes a "bank" matter that doesn't concern the customer any longer. When I called my bank, they told me it was in the hands of their investigative department and they could not release that information to me.

I don't let a day go by without filing a complaint with some agency or another and hopefully, someone will take the bull by the horns and break this scam wide open real soon.

Just remember that you are not alone. I'm checking now on what it could cost to file a "class action" suit. I will keep everyone informed of my results.

Have a blessed day.

barbara
north carolina
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#44 Consumer Comment

Aloha Debbie

AUTHOR: Brilynn - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Sunday, July 15, 2007
I just wanted to let you that I bank with Bank Of Hawaii not Bank Of America, but anyways my bank is filing suit basicaully because I did not get my money back only the last one the because they tried to take it from an account that was closed. For some of you who says they won't give you information they can give it to you because it is your account that the monies was taken from and it is your right to know who took money out of your account. If they won't tell you then if you know someone who works in your bank as a teller you could go to them most times they help you. I'm just holding on and hoping it ends soon since it is in the hands of my bank and the office of consumers commerce. They will tell what happends after they are done and they have been telling me about the staus of the situation when I ask...

Lets give a little more time then we all show should the our news stations website and ask them for help in solving this. (that is if your tv stations have what we have called the helpline or legal line)
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#43 Author of original report

To Debbie

AUTHOR: Barbara - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Tuesday, July 10, 2007
Hi Debbie,

Thank you so very much for that information. Maybe a "class action" suit is the road we need to take. Because none of the institutes have to respond to us since we are not their customers, per se. Our individual banks have refunded our money so they don't have to tell us anything either in their investigation to get their money back. It's BANK OF AMERICA who has been cashing the checks in California and they send the checks to our individual banks to be reimbursed. So it's BANK OF AMERICA who needs to STOP cashing these fraudulent checks and that will be one way to stop the crooks from going any further. So unless someone at BANK OF AMERICA in California is in this crooked scheme also, why would they keep cashing these checks if they know they are no good? That is my question!

Debbie, please notify the TV networks in your area of this fraud and ask them to investigate it to make people in your city aware of it. If we all do the same thing in our cities, the networks will realize that something big is going on here and hopefully make a national report to make people aware all over the world. If we keep complaining long enough, somebody is going to take some action that will stop these thieves. I've complained to federal agencies, local agencies, and will keep complaining until somebody listens.

I refuse to give any information at all to any other internet company until this matter is resolved. Internet companies will catch hell if we all do the same thing.

We should NOT let this scheme go unnoticed. They took our hard earned money like thieves in the night and they will do it again if we don't stop them.

barbara
north carolina
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#42 Consumer Suggestion

BBB report to greenzap

AUTHOR: Debbie - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Tuesday, July 10, 2007
Hi everyone thought I would let you know that I received a email from the BBB and they have contacted greenzap(Ifiled a complaint against greenzap & intabill)
since we have no idea who is being honest. Anyway I have herd nothing in respond to intabill,but I got a letter telling me they have contacted greenzap,and they are waiting for a response from them. But get this they dont have to respond to our claims or our reports against them.So even though I did fill companints and fraud claims anywhere I can think of this is the only one that has responded,and I am sure it will get us nowhere.Does anyone know for sure by the investigations fron your banks on where/who is cashing them? my bank has told me nothing.I got my money back,but they are not saying where and who is responsible. We need to find out once and for all who is responsible,and then we need to think about filling a class action suit againts the criminals.Just getting our money back is not enough,we need to put a mess of financial hurt on them like they did to us.and stop them before they get anyone else or get someone who is elderly or has someone else running there affairs and take them for a ride,and they dont even reilize it is happening.
I will keep everyone updated on the reports I have filled but We better not hold our breaths for any response from either company to the BBB.
Debbie
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#41 Consumer Suggestion

BBB report to greenzap

AUTHOR: Debbie - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Tuesday, July 10, 2007
Hi everyone thought I would let you know that I received a email from the BBB and they have contacted greenzap(Ifiled a complaint against greenzap & intabill)
since we have no idea who is being honest. Anyway I have herd nothing in respond to intabill,but I got a letter telling me they have contacted greenzap,and they are waiting for a response from them. But get this they dont have to respond to our claims or our reports against them.So even though I did fill companints and fraud claims anywhere I can think of this is the only one that has responded,and I am sure it will get us nowhere.Does anyone know for sure by the investigations fron your banks on where/who is cashing them? my bank has told me nothing.I got my money back,but they are not saying where and who is responsible. We need to find out once and for all who is responsible,and then we need to think about filling a class action suit againts the criminals.Just getting our money back is not enough,we need to put a mess of financial hurt on them like they did to us.and stop them before they get anyone else or get someone who is elderly or has someone else running there affairs and take them for a ride,and they dont even reilize it is happening.
I will keep everyone updated on the reports I have filled but We better not hold our breaths for any response from either company to the BBB.
Debbie
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#40 Author of original report

To Andrew

AUTHOR: Barbara - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Tuesday, July 10, 2007
The only question I have, Andrew, is "where is your evidence" to prove someone else is the culprit? I'll be here in ten (10) days to see what you say you will have to prove that fact.

But I will not sit on my thumbs and rear back to get comfortable waiting on this "so called" evidence because I will have "two broken thumbs" in no time.

So, until then, my "sh__" list remains the same.

barbara
north carolina
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#39 REBUTTAL Owner of company

Update - to everyone

AUTHOR: Andrew - (Australia)

POSTED: Monday, July 09, 2007
This is Andrew from Intabill and I am posting here because when I send emails out to some of the people who post here, they continue to report that they 'haven't heard anything'.

Intabill.com is certainly NOT going away, we are still pursuing this case AND we are on target for the timeline that was initially given to us by Integrity Bankcard and the Bank of America to have this case solved.

I spoke today with the investigator from the Bank of America and she confirmed to me that the Intabill that is cashing checks to the Bank of America account is a DBA (doing business as) account of a Bank of America client that is NOT an Australian company. The investigator also told me that she is checking with the Bank of America lawyers what she will be able to release about the company that DID cash these checks and that we will have this information soon. I will also hopefully soon be able to release contact information on the Bank of America investigator.

As I said from the very beginning, as I have maintained since and as I continue to shout aloud - Intabill.com is NOT responsible for what is happening to you. Also, Intabill.com is working hard and paying alot of money to bring to justice those who ARE responsible.

The evidence that some of the people who post here have requested to 'prove' that Intabill.com is NOT responsible for the check cashing should come shortly (hopefully within 10 days).

For those of you who are interested in pursuing this as a criminal case, the fraud occured in the state of California. The checks cashed came from the Bank of America NA - LAC. The NA means National Association of Banks and the LAC means Los Angeles County. Tell your local bank, law enforcement or the federal law enforcement that the crime occured in California.

I have been monitoring this website and the reports here and I will continue to post here when I either have information that is pertinent to this case (also in direct response to a question) or to correct misleading information.

My phone number and email address remain the same. Please call me or email me if you have questions or concerns.
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#38 Author of original report

To Robert

AUTHOR: Barbara - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Monday, July 09, 2007
Hello again Robert,

Thank you for all the information you have submitted to us. I tried to pull up the Brisbane Police Department in Australia but I couldn't access the page. I did, however, use the contact information you included to request the Brisbane contact information to be emailed to me.

What you don't seem to understand is Bank of America is the bank who cashed these checks originally and then they sent the checks to our banks individually to have their funds replenished. I don't know how banks work but my bank did not specifically pay Intabill. They paid Bank of America. And the young lady from Hawaii, Brilynn, banks at Bank of America, I assume, because they have been giving her information on their progress in tracking the down the culprits. Neither I nor the rest of us who bank elsewhere can request any information from Bank of America. My bank should be doing that so they can get their money back.

I did fine a Crimestoppers website in Brisbane, Australia and filed a complaint through their on Intabill. Until I receive the Brisbane Police Department contact information, I will try and contact other city officials to file other complaints in the interim. My complaint number at Crimestoppers is IIR-6300. If anyone else wishes to file a complaint there, here is the website info:

crimestoppers.com.au/reporting/index.htm

If anyone else manage to get a good web address for the Brisbane, Australia Police Department, please let us all know so we can file complaints accordingly.

Also, Robert, for those of us who are not computer savvy, we just don't know how to proceed against companies outside of the USA. So please don't think we're not doing anything. It's just that most of us don't know exactly "what" to do. We're average "Joes" who got caught up in this tremendous fraud and do not have investigative instincts or knowledge to follow up on something this big. Plus there are those who are "leaving well enough alone" because they got their money back from the bank.

But, I will never leave this alone until the crooks are behind bars one way or another. I've written all the popular TV shows to advise them of this fraud and hopefully one of them will check it out and make a report that they can give to the world to let people know so others don't get taken like we have.

Thank you again for your help.
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#37 Consumer Suggestion

More information

AUTHOR: Robert - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Monday, July 09, 2007
Here's the registrant info for "intabill.com"

Intaworks Software Pty Ltd
Unit 2 / 20 Park Road Milton
Brisbane, QLD 4064
Australia
+61 7 3217 5055

The australia police have a website (if Ed redacts the website you can search for "australia police to find the website):

www.police.wa.gov.au

On the website you can click "report a crime" for more information. Also, on the website, you can get the address and phone numbers for the various police stations throughout the country so that you can file the criminal complaint with the office that has jurisdiction.

Intabill supposedly is located in Brisbane, Queensland, so I would contact the police station that services that area.
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#36 Consumer Suggestion

The bank knows

AUTHOR: Robert - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Monday, July 09, 2007
The bank (your bank) can easily identify to whom and where the money went - EFT don't simply vanish when your money is taken. Record are kept by the banks and the clearing houses they use for check / eft processing.

I would be tempted to file a complaint with law enforcement against my bank if that's what it takes to get them to reveal the information.

I believe you CAN make a complaint with Australian authorities. They have a website which lists the phone numbers (based on area) that you can call to make a criminal complaint. I checked into this a few weeks ago - that's why I can't understand what the problem is - as part of a criminal investigation, law enforcement (local, state, or federal) can compell the bank to release the information.

Another venue would be to file a "john doe" civil suit so that the banking records can be subpeonaed for the purpose of identifying the target of the suit. Once the suit is filed, you can request the court to order the bank to reveal the identity of the person/entity that received the funds. You might have to pay some court fees, but it can be done. And of course, any court fees should be added to the amount of the civil suit.
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#35 Author of original report

To Robert

AUTHOR: Barbara - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Sunday, July 08, 2007
Thank you Robert for that information but my police department told me the complaint would have to be filed in the state where the company is located and no one seems to know that information exactly. Also, if they are located in Australia, like we all assume, we can't file a complaint here.

I've reported my complaint, as well as many others, to federal and governmental agencies for their help but I know my local police can't do anything unless it occurred in my city.

If you know something other than what I was told, please let all of us know.

Thank you.

barbara
north carolina
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#34 Author of original report

To Robert

AUTHOR: Barbara - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Sunday, July 08, 2007
Thank you Robert for that information but my police department told me the complaint would have to be filed in the state where the company is located and no one seems to know that information exactly. Also, if they are located in Australia, like we all assume, we can't file a complaint here.

I've reported my complaint, as well as many others, to federal and governmental agencies for their help but I know my local police can't do anything unless it occurred in my city.

If you know something other than what I was told, please let all of us know.

Thank you.

barbara
north carolina
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#33 Author of original report

To Robert

AUTHOR: Barbara - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Sunday, July 08, 2007
Thank you Robert for that information but my police department told me the complaint would have to be filed in the state where the company is located and no one seems to know that information exactly. Also, if they are located in Australia, like we all assume, we can't file a complaint here.

I've reported my complaint, as well as many others, to federal and governmental agencies for their help but I know my local police can't do anything unless it occurred in my city.

If you know something other than what I was told, please let all of us know.

Thank you.

barbara
north carolina
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#32 Author of original report

To Robert

AUTHOR: Barbara - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Sunday, July 08, 2007
Thank you Robert for that information but my police department told me the complaint would have to be filed in the state where the company is located and no one seems to know that information exactly. Also, if they are located in Australia, like we all assume, we can't file a complaint here.

I've reported my complaint, as well as many others, to federal and governmental agencies for their help but I know my local police can't do anything unless it occurred in my city.

If you know something other than what I was told, please let all of us know.

Thank you.

barbara
north carolina
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#31 Consumer Comment

Is there a criminal complaint anywhere

AUTHOR: Robert - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Sunday, July 08, 2007
With a criminal complaint, law enforcement can access bank records to determine EXACTLY where the money was going.

I wouldn't trust any "in-house" investigation by Intabill or any banks that are involved.

EFT's are easy to track down so I'm really wondering what the problem is with tracking this to whoever was suppose to get the money.

If I were a victim, one of my first telephone calls would have been to law enforcement to file a criminal complaint.
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#30 Author of original report

To Everyone!

AUTHOR: Barbara - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Saturday, July 07, 2007
I hope all of you were smart enough to close your checking accounts and open a new one before they could send another check. I closed mine immediately. I'm not going to give you a second chance to rip me off that's for sure. If you haven't done that already, please do because they can resend another check at any time in the future.

Be smart people and let's not give them any more money. Whatever Greenzap might have in my profile won't do them a world bit of good anymore. Yeah, whoever is doing this is making millions at $99.75 a wop. I wish they can go to jail at least 10 years for each check. That will make me happy!

By the way, I haven't heard anything back from Intabill concerning their investigation. I truly believe all that crap is a scam also. Intabill, Greenzap, I don't give a good hot turd which one did it. I think they are one in the same anyway! I just hope they get caught with their hands in the till. If the powers that be just "follow the money", somebody will be on the other end. A live person is getting that cash that's for sure. I have someone on this case right now and he's good. It might cost me a mint but I don't care. Because when I get them, I'm going to make them pay!

barbara
north carolina
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#29 Consumer Comment

Here is what I found in another form about Intabill and greenzap!

AUTHOR: Brilynn - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Saturday, July 07, 2007
Aloha Everyone,

Here is some info that maybe of help to catching or ending all of this scam for us...

Re: Intabill / Greenzap whose the real culprit!

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The following address is found on the "Deed of Absolute Sale" used by Intabill.com.


Miriam House, Suite #4290 #5 Losack Road Basseterre St. Kitts, Eastern Caribbean

This may be viewed on-line at intabill.com as a PDF at the following url:

join.intabill.com/pdf/DeedofAbsoluteSale.pdf

When the noted address from the form is entered into yahoo for a search it will yield the following search results page.

Yahoo search results for Miriam House address

On the first page scroll down to # 9 and you will read a familiar forum name.

#9

About ClubFreedom. Back Office - Rolclub Hyip Forum, Hyip, Hyip Forum ...
Miriam House, Suite #4290. P. O. Box 450 #5 Losack Road. Basseterre. St. Kitts. Eastern Caribbean. Email: support@clubfreedom.biz ...
rolclub.com/rolclubs-next-line-system/13712-about-clubfreedom-back-... - 45k - Cached

Rolclub Thread Post by Neno with Miriam House address


Click on the above search result link and it will bring you to a rolclub page where you find our good friend Neno (aka Tommy Styles) pushing a new on-line business which is also addressed at the exact same address above used by Intabill.com.

The following url is the page for the new on-line business' "About us" page with the exact same address.

Club Freedom web page promoted by Neno with Miriam House address


Now further note the the same address as used by the Intabill form is given as the
"international Office" address of the new promotion by Neno (aka Tommy Styles).

International Office
Supreme Marketing Inc.
Miriam House, Suite #4290
P. O. Box 450
#5 Losack Road
Basseterre
St. Kitts
Eastern Caribbean


The following link will bring the reader to a second form required by Intabill for use of its services.
This is the "Reverse Deed of Absolute Sale" form.

join.intabill.com/pdf/Revers...bsoluteSale.pdf

Note at the bottom left of the form the same company name (Supreme Marketing Inc.) and address information given as that of Club freedom, is typed, as well as named in the language of the form.

These two forms it would appear are required of the "Merchant" who wishes to use Intabill.com services, in that the merchant is required to sell, for $1.00, to Intabill Inc. their "Domain Name"

(Now that makes me think of MTT (More Than Traffic). If I am not mistaken.)

And those of us who have been pursuing the Greenzap case know full well that Tommy Styles (aka Neno) was and still is one of the key principal resellers of Greenzap of interest to investigators of the Greenzap Scam.

So then we have what appears to be an undeniable link between Greenzap and Intabill.
And what would appear to be a similar practice of acquiring domain names
in a surreptitious manner just as MTT so unscrupulously did to so many.

There are two other forms for potential Intabill.com purchasers to read and sign. I for one have read them through and find some of the to be highly suspicious with respect to their wording.

join.intabill.com/pdf/Genera...tAgreeement.pdf

join.intabill.com/pdf/Gatewa...ceAgreement.pdf

All of the above forms are then expected to be faxed to the Australia office via the following phone number:

"Don't forget... Once you have completed the above forms to fax them back to us.
Fax: +61 7 3217 5144"


I have much more to say with regards to the results of my research so far into Intabill.com as a business. But that will wait till later in the week, as I think the above presented information will be sufficient for some conversation for the next few days.

In the mean time I would advise all who are able
to cache all the above information where one is able to.
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#28 Consumer Comment

Barbara and everyone

AUTHOR: Tim - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Saturday, July 07, 2007
At one time Green zap posted on their site that they were approaching 1 million people in their group. If they all took 99.75 even once from everyone look the millions and millions of dollars they would get.

I just happened on this site after being taken by Intabill for 2 e-checks for $100 each and while I was at my bank closing that account, they tried to send another one thru for $99.75. This all started on 6/1. My bank returned my money.

Needless to say I had a GreenZap account in the past, but I never used it. If you know the password from that account, you can go to greenzap.com and check your info by going to profile. You can see what bank account that you used. I could not find away to take mine off.
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#27 Consumer Comment

Bank of America has granted an investigator to this issue - please read

AUTHOR: Andrew - (Australia)

POSTED: Wednesday, July 04, 2007
The Bank of Americ has granted an investigator to this issue and we expect to hear from them either later this week or next week. Because of the July 4th holiday, it is possible that it will be next week.

As soon as I have more information, i will post it here.

Andrew T
312-961-3005
andrew.t@intabill.com
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#26 Author of original report

To Everyone!

AUTHOR: Barbara - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Friday, June 29, 2007
Thank you all for your comments and together we will definitely run down the responsible parties. So far from all the information we have gathered, this is what we know:

1. Intabill has changed their contact people almost daily. When I first look at their names, Sam Sciacca (sam@intabill.com) was the contact for "Sales", Dave (he is not there now) was the "Accounting" contact. Now it is Sonya Rowe as the accounting contact. Andrew McLeod was the "Technical" contact. But I've only received emails from Andrew T, which is Andrew Thornhill.

2. Andrew told me to contact integritybankcard at dhp@integritybankcard.com to verify what he had been telling everyone. I emailed them twice and never once received a response. Andrew said they had emailed me on several occasions but where the emails went, I have no idea. Andrew emailed me with a cc (carbon copy) from David Press of integrity bankcard requesting that he would like a copy of the fraudulent check sent to my account. I sent him a copy but have not received anything from Mr. Press as yet and never received an email from him in the first place. I'm still wondering why! Everyone else can email me, why can't he?

3. Andrew Thornhill is based out of Chicago and his telephone number is 312-961-3005. He is the "Technical" contact for Intabill. So if you wish to talk to him personally, give him a call.

4. Damon Westmoreland is the "bad person" of Greenzap but contacting him is like swimming upstream. He is a well known scammer of millions of dollars. Why he would concentrate on $99.75 at a time leaves me wondering. And, I have found NO information that connects him to any "Intabill or Inta Bill" accounts. If he has such accounts in his name, I'm still trying to find them because that would be the only connection of him to these Intabill checks. And I, too, at one time had a Greenzap account which I never used for anything.

5. Sam Sciacca, the sales contact from Intabill, emailed me and spoke highly of the company and their intent on proving they had nothing to do with the check scam. I'll give anybody the benefit of the doubt if they can give me proof of what they are saying. So far, I haven't received anything from Intabill or Integrity Bankcard to show that Greenzap is the responsible party.

And, no I haven't reported this to the authorities in my city because what can they do? That is something our federal agencies must control. The average city police wouldn't get involved in an internet issue unless the internet company is in their particular city. And none of these scammers are in my city that I know of. If I could find out exactly "where" they are operating, that would be a $64,000 dollar question answered. It's hard to locate these crooks.

So we are back to square one. No matter what Intabill says, their name is the only name we know that got paid from those fraudulent checks. Nobody else's name was on the checks and we can't prove one way or the other that Damon Westmoreland or Greenzap had anything whatsoever to do with this scam. And that is what we know so far. What we don't know is what everyone of us is trying to find out, WHO IS THE REAL CULPRIT?

So until Intabill can prove they had nothing to do with this, I stand where I am. Let's keep searching and hopefully the truth will prevail. I refuse to let these scammers get away clean.

barbara
north carolina
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#25 Consumer Comment

Email Addy For Andrew T.

AUTHOR: Brilynn - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Thursday, June 28, 2007
I'm not sure if the email adress will appear but this is the email address Andrew.T@intabill.com I found that on the intabill website, which is nolonger there anymore. I don't know why but there is something going on that the names that were there before is no longer there anymore. It appears there are new names there now Hmmmm very strange.
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#24 Consumer Comment

Andrew T!

AUTHOR: Brilynn - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Thursday, June 28, 2007
Aloha,

First off Andrew T did email me and asked me to reply back so I did but he did not reply back as I asked him as well.

I also did a recheck on the website of intabill and guess what people all the names that were there is no longer there anymore. When I first checked it it had Andrew T as a tech and a Sonya Rowe as the accountant, however, I rechecked it again and those names are no longer there, it appears that they either changed the names or they no longer work there or something I just think it is strange for those names to dissapear like that.

I also wanted you all to know that my bank is on the move with this as I recieved a letter from them saying this: (sorry I have no scanner so I have to type it all in for all to see)

from: Office of Consumer Affairs, Brisbane
State Law Building
Cnr George and Ann Streets
Brisbane QLD 4000
Australia

Dear Sir / or Madam:

RE: Complaint Filed Against Sonya Rowe, Intabill Case No. OCP XXXX-XXX

We are referring a complaint from (Myself) Brilynn against Sonya Rowe, dlb intabill.
The complaint appears to be within your jurisdiction, as the respondent is located in your country. Signed investigator ( I can not release the investigators name)

This tells me that my bank has already started the investigation on this fraud, I am hoping that it proves that they are the culprits or puts pressure on them to tell the truth..

Just so you all know as well you can also go to your Office of Consumer Protection - CRC in your state or city.

and Tom I too was a greenzap member but also cancelled it 2 years ago, and yes I check out the BBB it does show on my end the Greenzap has been out of business and that the person that ran that company is someone by the name of Damon W there has been alot of complaints on that person on another website called Scam.com.

Barbara I check all of the numbers that Andrew T gave they do not work along with greenzaps numbers too.

As long as everyon files with thier FTC, BBB, Office of Consumer Protection and so fourth we will catch these crooks.
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#23 Consumer Suggestion

Possible address

AUTHOR: Robert - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Thursday, June 28, 2007
I was wondering if anyone had actually contacted a law enforcement agency about this greenzap/intabill thing!

I spent some time doing my computer think trying to see if I could find an address for Damon - he seems to move around a lot! LOL! Big surprise, huh?

Anyway, I found this information and hope it might help:

Registrant:
Damon Westmoreland
Damon Westmoreland
2453 Pine Valley Glen
Escondido, CA 92026

Email: damon@greenzap.com

Registrar Name. Registrar Whois.
Registrar Homepage: _.co"i"ooc.com
Domain Name: jet99.com
Created on. : Tue, May 11, 2004
Expires on. : Sun, May 11, 2008
Record last updated on. : Thu, May 31, 2007
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#22 Author of original report

To Debbie

AUTHOR: Barbara - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Wednesday, June 27, 2007
Debbie that's wonderful news. I filed with the FTC, The Federal Reserve Board and ic3.gov/complaint/ myself. Everyone should (like you said) so we can get things happening.

Thank you for posting your response here because I'm thrilled to know that we're not letting the culprits get away with murder.

I'm going to check into that Greenzap gentleman also. I'm going to track him right down like the sorry rat he is. If I find out any more, I will let you know also. Thanks again.

barbara
north carolina
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#21 Consumer Suggestion

Greenzap,and Intabill

AUTHOR: Debbie - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Wednesday, June 27, 2007
I wanted to update everybody on some things I have been doing.I have contacted grenzap by email and phone with no response at all ,not shocking.
I told them they had 24 hours to reply or I would start filing anywhere I could for fraud. Which I did I first filled with the BBB,and got a email that my claim is now under investigation.I filed a complaint against the company and a fraud report.
Next I went to the Federal Trade Commision and filled a Identity theft report against the company,Also with the FBI for fraud.I did this for both companies becasue who knows who is being honest here ,and I explained it all in the reports,they will get to the truth.I also told them to log onto this website and see how many people have been ripped off.When I filed these reports I spoke for everyone who has been a victim.
I really sugest you all do the same .the more reports filed the better the outcome of getting them to investigate. and bring these scum to justice,which every one it may be.
As for anyone who is having trouble with there bank .It is the law if you belevie someone has commited fraud against you,they must allow you to file a fraud claims report,this opens a investigation with your bank. If they refuse to assist you in this then you need to contact the Us commerace of banks I believe it is called and report your bank for not helping you in filling a fraud claim report.
We need to do something on a big scale to get these people back for ripping us off,not just try to get our money back,something needs to be done to stop them.In Texas a case against greenzap was filed in court and they won,greenzap is no longer allowed to due buissness in the state of texas,but Daid westmoreland also has sevral other comapnies by other names that they are using.It is all on the BBB,and just type in David westmoreland on a search and see what you find,you'll be suprised.
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#20 Author of original report

Update

AUTHOR: Barbara - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Wednesday, June 27, 2007
Well, I've finally been contacted by Mr. Andrew Thornhill and Mr. Sam Sciacca of Intabill.com of Australia. After receiving their emails and responding back and forth, I would love to believe they are sincere and that their company is not involved in this scam.

I have requested all verifying information they may have on Greenzap which connects to Greenzap's version of Intabill or Inta Bill. I informed them that I cannot accuse another company of this scam without proof and that the only reason why I accused Intabill in the first place was because their name was on the fraudulent check submitted to my account. And without proof linking Greenzap to the scam, I cannot legally accuse them or hold them responsible. I do not wish to be sued for falsely accusing another company.

Mr. Thornhill emailed his investigative company and requested that they contact me but they have not to date. I will not email integritybankcard.net again because they owe me nothing. I am not paying them for their investigative results so they really don't have to respond to me. I only emailed them in the first place because Andrew suggested that I should for verification of what he was saying.

So until I receive some documentation showing me that Greenzap is the responsible party, I am refusing to clear Intabill.com of Australia and hold them harmless as they suggested. Evidence is what I'm looking for to change my mind and when I receive it, I will give it to all of you who are concerned.

barbara
north carolina
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#19 Author of original report

Update

AUTHOR: Barbara - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Wednesday, June 27, 2007
Well, I've finally been contacted by Mr. Andrew Thornhill and Mr. Sam Sciacca of Intabill.com of Australia. After receiving their emails and responding back and forth, I would love to believe they are sincere and that their company is not involved in this scam.

I have requested all verifying information they may have on Greenzap which connects to Greenzap's version of Intabill or Inta Bill. I informed them that I cannot accuse another company of this scam without proof and that the only reason why I accused Intabill in the first place was because their name was on the fraudulent check submitted to my account. And without proof linking Greenzap to the scam, I cannot legally accuse them or hold them responsible. I do not wish to be sued for falsely accusing another company.

Mr. Thornhill emailed his investigative company and requested that they contact me but they have not to date. I will not email integritybankcard.net again because they owe me nothing. I am not paying them for their investigative results so they really don't have to respond to me. I only emailed them in the first place because Andrew suggested that I should for verification of what he was saying.

So until I receive some documentation showing me that Greenzap is the responsible party, I am refusing to clear Intabill.com of Australia and hold them harmless as they suggested. Evidence is what I'm looking for to change my mind and when I receive it, I will give it to all of you who are concerned.

barbara
north carolina
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Update

AUTHOR: Barbara - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Wednesday, June 27, 2007
Well, I've finally been contacted by Mr. Andrew Thornhill and Mr. Sam Sciacca of Intabill.com of Australia. After receiving their emails and responding back and forth, I would love to believe they are sincere and that their company is not involved in this scam.

I have requested all verifying information they may have on Greenzap which connects to Greenzap's version of Intabill or Inta Bill. I informed them that I cannot accuse another company of this scam without proof and that the only reason why I accused Intabill in the first place was because their name was on the fraudulent check submitted to my account. And without proof linking Greenzap to the scam, I cannot legally accuse them or hold them responsible. I do not wish to be sued for falsely accusing another company.

Mr. Thornhill emailed his investigative company and requested that they contact me but they have not to date. I will not email integritybankcard.net again because they owe me nothing. I am not paying them for their investigative results so they really don't have to respond to me. I only emailed them in the first place because Andrew suggested that I should for verification of what he was saying.

So until I receive some documentation showing me that Greenzap is the responsible party, I am refusing to clear Intabill.com of Australia and hold them harmless as they suggested. Evidence is what I'm looking for to change my mind and when I receive it, I will give it to all of you who are concerned.

barbara
north carolina
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Update

AUTHOR: Barbara - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Wednesday, June 27, 2007
Well, I've finally been contacted by Mr. Andrew Thornhill and Mr. Sam Sciacca of Intabill.com of Australia. After receiving their emails and responding back and forth, I would love to believe they are sincere and that their company is not involved in this scam.

I have requested all verifying information they may have on Greenzap which connects to Greenzap's version of Intabill or Inta Bill. I informed them that I cannot accuse another company of this scam without proof and that the only reason why I accused Intabill in the first place was because their name was on the fraudulent check submitted to my account. And without proof linking Greenzap to the scam, I cannot legally accuse them or hold them responsible. I do not wish to be sued for falsely accusing another company.

Mr. Thornhill emailed his investigative company and requested that they contact me but they have not to date. I will not email integritybankcard.net again because they owe me nothing. I am not paying them for their investigative results so they really don't have to respond to me. I only emailed them in the first place because Andrew suggested that I should for verification of what he was saying.

So until I receive some documentation showing me that Greenzap is the responsible party, I am refusing to clear Intabill.com of Australia and hold them harmless as they suggested. Evidence is what I'm looking for to change my mind and when I receive it, I will give it to all of you who are concerned.

barbara
north carolina
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To Bart

AUTHOR: Barbara - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Tuesday, June 26, 2007
Thank you for the information. I'm sure this matter will be resolved sooner or later and hopefully, we'll know exactly who the culprits are. I did, however, get my money back from the bank the very next day I made a written dispute over the check and closed my account and open a new one. Green Zap and no one else will get my checking account information from this point on into eternity and I'm serious about that. Too many internet crooks and thieves out here and you don't know who to trust just because they "sound" nice.

Andrew never responded to me by email or otherwise. I cannot believe that he is telling anyone the truth. I wrote to andrew@intabill.com, sam@intabill.com, and daniel@intabill.com who were supposedly in charge of sales and so forth. Neither one of them answered me. And I told them that I was appalled that they don't even respond to customers one way or the other. That's "not" the way to do business. If I had gotten just ONE email from Intabill itself, I might have believed what they were saying and gone on about my business. Now they have raised the hair on the back of my neck and I'm going to continue my pursuit no matter how long it takes.

I've filed official complaints at the following: ic3.gov/complaint/ and
The Federal Reserve Board for banks. There is no BBB in Australia to hold them accountable but if I find out they're doing business out of Florida or Virginia, I will nail them. I'm not through filing complaints with the federal agencies that would handle internet fraud.

I'm glad you got a refund and everyone should have gotten refunds also if they filed in time. It's the banks that are losing the money, not me, but I feel violated nevertheless. It's like they came into my house and stole something.

Everyone needs to complain wherever and to whomever will listen. Don't let this get swept under a rug so they can continue their thievery. The scoundrels need to be brought out where we can see their sorry faces.

I'm more upset now than in the beginning because no one from either company, Intabill or Greenzap, has responded. Heck, they might be one and the same for all we know!

barbara
north carolina
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#15 Consumer Comment

Greenzap is to blame

AUTHOR: Bart - (Netherlands)

POSTED: Tuesday, June 26, 2007
Hello Barbara and everyone else.

Just like you and many others, I have been a victim of this rip-off and I'm convinced that Greenzap is behind this. Greenzap is the only company I have given my bank account information some years ago.

I can only suggest to do what I have done and that is to work this out with your bank. As, like me, you never authorized these transactions, your bank should have never processed them. I have received a refund for these checks and any overdraft fees from Wells Fargo and have closed my account to stop this from happening again. They were friendly and helpful and opened a new account for me within a couple of days.

Now the hard part here is to find whoever is guilty of these crimes. I have to say that what Andrew From Intabill.com says, could be the truth. From the moment I looked up Intabill in Google and found that company, I send a few emails and called the office, where I spoke with Andrew and faxed him my complaint with all relevant information. He did get back to me a few times, with the information about the investigation they had started, but in the meantime I decided to let my bank handle this further. Also his first lengthy response about the difference between Intabill and Intabill.com and all the actions they have taken sounds reasonable. Perhaps we should focus on tracking whether or not these actions have really been carried out.

Yet just as well as Intabill.com could be the victim of the Greenzap scam, they might be behind it and as you say are using this forum to try and clear their name. It will be difficult to discover the truth here, but all we do know is that the people from GreenZap are the real criminals here, so why not go after them.

I hope that by following the editors suggestions, everyone will get their money back from the banks and together with the proper authorities we can put an end to these fraudulent activities.

Bart
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To Brilynn

AUTHOR: Barbara - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Tuesday, June 26, 2007
Ms Brilynn, if you have Andrew's email address, I would appreciate it if you would post it here so everyone can have the pleasure of contacting the scoundrel.

Thank you very much.

barbara
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#13 Author of original report

To Tom

AUTHOR: Barbara - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Tuesday, June 26, 2007
Yes, I had a Greenzap account at one time, but I never used it. It was so long ago, I can't even remember what year it was even open. I did no business whatsover with the account other than giving them my information, which I should not have done probably.

I smell such a rat here that I'm reporting this to the BBB, the FBI and the CIA if I can. I know this thing is big and the rats behind it are bigger. I wouldn't be surprised who will come out of the woodwork on this one. All I know is, I won't stop until the critters are caught.

barbara
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#12 Consumer Comment

Barbara - follow up

AUTHOR: Tom - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Tuesday, June 26, 2007
Hi Barbara,

Tom in CT here. Could you confirm with me as to whether or not you actually had a Greenzap.com account?

I'm trying to determine if there really is a Greenzap connection, or if "Andrew" just picked up the scent on this and is playing it to his advantage.

A search on ripoffreport.com for "greenzap" turns up a few people confirming they too were greenzap members.

I'm starting to think that we need to contact our Attorney Generals and or BBBs. We have Blumenthal up here in CT...he's a bloodhound. I think he'd love to head something up against Internet fraud companies...whether it's Intabill.com or Greenzap.com.

-Tom

PS - I'm still not convinced that Greenzap and/or Intabill are not victims to an extent. This could be a third party that hacked Greenzap (or ex-employee, etc.) and is exploiting the information. DOES ANYONE know how to read these electronic checks to see where the money is going to???
(Andrew, please don't respond to this, we'll only think you're further trying to lead us astray. For someone who's livelihood is at stake here, you'd better hire a better investigator...)
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#11 Author of original report

Corrections

AUTHOR: Barbara - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Monday, June 25, 2007
I need to make a few corrections in the last report I filed. I called Florida and spoke with Charles Charmatz of Newcom who is the ISP for Intabill. They only host the Intabill account, not own it. He said to make a complaint about them, you should email abuse@powermedium.com and if they investigate it and see that something is wrong, they will stop powering their site. I sent them a copy of the bogus check so they could see it was paid to Intabill. Send them a copy of your check also and if they received enough inquiries, they will have no alternative but to check this company out.

Also, email abuse-quiet@sprint.net if you think Green Zap had something to do with this. Either way, you'll be covering all ends.

Make waves and let these people know we are not going to stand still and let them rip us off. Also, the email for Andrew Thornhill doesn't work. The slug closed it, I'm sure.

barbara
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#10 Author of original report

To: Andrew T and Everybody Else He's Lied To:

AUTHOR: Barbara - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Monday, June 25, 2007
INTABILL.COM is operated by Neucom, Inc.
Charles Charmatz is the Tech and his email is charles@city-guide.com
Admin name is Arin & his email is arin@neutelligent.com
412 East Madison St. Suite 1000
Tampa, FL 33602

GREENZAP.COM is operated by Sprint at
12490 Sunrise Valley Dr.
Mailstop VARESAB0213
Reston, VA 20196
Office: 1-800-232-6895
noc@spring.net is the rtech and his number is same as the office number
Original tech email is ip-req@sprint.net and is number is 1-800-232-3458
To REPORT ABUSE, please email abuse@sprint.net
admin name, Mirella B. Huh
1-703-689-8632
personal email: mirella.b.huh@sprint.com

This more information than Andrew released that's for sure and his name is not mentioned anywhere in this information so who are you Andrew? Just a mouthpiece?

You can do what you wish with this information because somebody should be able to respond to you about something. They can either say they have no idea what's going on and pass the buck or you might get lucky and find out who the culprit really is.

By the way Mr. David Press of dhp@integritybankcard.com never responded also. Maybe he's in cahoots with Andrew T. Who knows. I don't believe anyone who can't email me under their company name. And no matter who you are, I'm gonna find you. I'm on your trail now Andrew T. I'll find you soon :)
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#9 Author of original report

To Andrew T

AUTHOR: Barbara - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Sunday, June 24, 2007
Well, I haven't received your email yet and that tells me a lot. The lady from Hawaii must have gotten a response from you but I haven't. I keep getting these notices from Ripoff Report but they're not from you directly.

When are you going to email me Andrew? Did I catch you out of your element or what? I think you are a total crook and full of it, and it ain't religion that's for sure.

You could have emailed me hours ago, but I have received no email from Andrew yet. Andrew, go take a long leap off a short bridge and don't even bother responding to me. I won't believe you no matter what you say. All I asked was a little request, "send me an email from Intabill", that's all. I never got one and you will never convince me you are not Green Zap yourself. As a matter of fact, you need to "zap" yourself for being a thief.

I'm going to send this information to my bank and hope they can do what is necessary to catch you. You can't hide forever. But I will be on your butt forever and you better believe it.

barbara
north carolina
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#8 Consumer Suggestion

To Andrew T

AUTHOR: Barbara - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Sunday, June 24, 2007
My email to you were to inquire whether your company sent that bogus check or not and I sent the email from your website.

You should put this problem on your website and explain how it might have happened and give people an opportunity to send their emails directly to you to straighten it out. Going though this forum is an easy way out for you. Anyone could say what you're saying and not even be from the company at all. How do I know you are even a part of the company? If I write to the company and receive an email from the company, then I know who I'm talking to.

Right now, I don't and will not go any further with this discussion with you until I know for sure.

By the way, I did send an email to David H. Press of Integrity Bardcard Consultants, Inc. and got a response that he was out of the office until June 25th. I'll see if he responds after that.

I'm not going to keep any rock unturned in this matter and will investigate until I get to the responsible source. Somebody is going to pay for something after making me pay for nothing!

If you respond to me here again, then I'll know for sure you are not the responsible individual that you want everybody to think you are. This seems to be your advertising forum for how good your company is. I want your personal email telling me what you are doing to clear your name and who you are in touch with at Bank of America, because how do I know YOU are not Green Zap? They're not talking... but then, maybe they are!

Barbara
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#7 Consumer Comment

Finally A real respponse!

AUTHOR: Brilynn - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Sunday, June 24, 2007
Ok Andrew, I will you credit for trying to clear this up, now if I e-mail you will you respond back to me because I have a few more questions to ask...

For me the worst is not over because of the state that I live it will take much more longer and at worst my bank may not refund the money that was taken because of the length of time that it will take to search this by then time will be running out.

It is late here so I willl email you in the morning in hopes and good faith that you respond back to me throught the email. Thank You!
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#6 REBUTTAL Owner of company

To Barbara

AUTHOR: Andrew - (Australia)

POSTED: Saturday, June 23, 2007
Your point is well taken. We have several call centers scattered across the world and the one we have - or I should say had - in the USA was not the absolute best in terms of quality of response even though they are highly regarded in my industry.

You see, when the first reports started coming in, our call center did not place a high priority on them because Intabill.com is not involved with any activity like that which happened to you - an electronic check debited as Intabill. Our call center wasn't sure what to do with these claims and so these claims did not get any kind of priority from anyone until another victim emailed a general email address that was routed through a different division and thus ended up on my desk.

We are actually no longer working with the US call center but it is not entirely because of this issue. As a result of what happened with Greenzap and ripoffreport.com I am setting up a rapid response team to quickly handle emergencies of this nature.

Barbara, I will ask our tech team to search for your original email and try to see what happened to it. If I am able to find it, I will respond directly to you.

And, as I mentioned in the previous post, I will look into the BBB membership for us this upcoming week.

Andrew
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#5 Author of original report

To Andrew T

AUTHOR: Barbara - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Saturday, June 23, 2007
I thank you for supplying the information you have submitted about Green Zap and the others who can confirm what you are saying.

I will investigate all this as soon as I can but my bank has refunded my money and no other check of that nature will come into my bank ever again, I'm sure. Also, I'm sure my bank is investigating this matter with Bank of America and tying links together to get to the main culprit.

It's a shame that a company like Green Zap can do this to their customers when people gave them information about themselves in strict confidence. From now on, I will never give my banking information to a living sole on the internet. There are just too many crooks and thieves out here who can't sleep at night because they are thinking of ways to steal people's money. I really hope your company is cleared of these charges if what you say is true. I would hate to incriminate someone falsely.

But I wrote your company an email before I found this site and no one returned a response to me at all. It made me think "is this a real company or what". Check your emails and you will find one from me. Why did no respond? That's why I kept looking and found this site which is wonderful in letting people get their frustration off their chest.

If you had only responded to my email, I might have believed you. But when a company does not respond to inquiries that are negative, that gives me reason to pause. Send me an email personally and talk to me as a person. Stop hiding behind this forum to express yourself.

Until I get more positive information about your company, I will still keep you at bay because you never responded to my personal inquiry. And ALL COMPANIES should be a member of the Better Business Bureau, no matter where you are located. If you have nothing to hide, then what's the problem?

I look forward to hearing from you.

barbara
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#4 REBUTTAL Owner of company

I am the only one who is responding online here and I am telling the truth

AUTHOR: Andrew - (Australia)

POSTED: Friday, June 22, 2007
Brilynn and Barbara,

I understand your anger and frustration but I would prefer not to let this forum be degraded with rumor. I will do my best to answer your questions and points individually.

First off, I am not a technician of Intabill. I am the director of US Operations which means that I oversee millions of dollars per month of credit card transactions for hundreds of legitimate e-commerce companies. I am the executive of Intabill who is in charge of this investigation and the buck stops with me here.

Next, through this forum and the private investigator at Integrity Bankcard - David Press - we learned of the link with Greenzap. I spoke with Damon Westmoreland, an executive at Greenzap on Monday June 18th and he confirmed to me that Greenzap owns a US based transaction company called "Inta Bill" or "Intabill" that Greenzap is using to bill a membership fee. This fee is being billed to your checking account and the name of the company that appears on your checks is "Intabill" or "Inta Bill". The back of these electronic checks states: Bank of America, NA LAC, 122000661, 5660008136. Bank of America NA means that the Bank of America has a Federal Charter rather than a state charter. The NA means National Association, from the National Bank Association. The LAC means Los Angeles County. 122000661 - this is the routing number of the Bank of America. 566000813 - this is most likely the checking account of Greenzap. David Press has accumulated information from many of the people on this forum and from those who emailed me and submitted our case to the Bank of America earlier today (Friday June 22). We expect to hear back from the Bank of America next week - and when we do I will post that information here as well.

Many of you here found Intabill.com by typing the word Intabill in Google or some other search engine - Greenzap's company does not come up there but ours does because we spend thousands of dollars to promote our business and our business name. We also spend time and money in protecting our name.

When the first emails starting to come into our company several weeks ago, one of them mentioned that they were posting to this web site. I had never heard of this website but I signed up and started answering reports as best as I could.

I started answering reports before I knew of the Greenzap link. At the same time that I started to post I hired Integrity bankcard (www.integritybankcard.net) because I know David Press and their well respected reputation in cashless transactions. You can read more about David Press by searching for him (try David Press greensheet in Google - www.greensheet.com is a professional forum of cashless transaction business people and David is a frequent contributor - of many years.

Every email that was sent to me regarding this mess was personally answered by me. In total, I received about 20 emails. None of the emails that I sent were 'form' emails, but several contained much of the same information - and this information changed as we uncovered more and more fact.

I do not get an email from ripoffreport.com when a new report is issued against Intabill.com - I check this site several times per day and I post information that is relevant to each person posting. Many people here either did not or do not know that US law specifies that fraudulent check transactions have to be posted back to a non-business account within 48 hours or that Greenzap is responsible for the transaction.

But most importantly, Barbara and Brilynn - Intabill.com has NOTHING to do with your transactions. I say this emphatically because I have encouraged you to contact David Press and ask him to help you follow up with a legal case against Greenzap. And in case you do not believe me at all, I encouraged you to contact your own local law enforcement and to have them work with Bank of America - or to have them call David Press on your behalf. These people can follow the money.

The money trail that will be uncovered in due time will be extremely clear. Just because the name that appears on your check says 'Intabill' by no means does this reflect involvement of Intabill.com. Intabill.com has not originated, conducted, transfered, charged, held, passed or benefited in any way form the money that has been debited from your account(s) - but Greenzap has - and is doing so under their own company Intabill. Any law enforcement person can verify this. The money charged to your checking account was transferred like any check to Greenzap's account at the Bank of America - our company in Australia had nothing to do with this! I think that I should note that every single person that I have spoken to has or had an account with Greenzap.

By the way, Greenzap is not out of business - they are a publicly traded company - GZPN.PK (the PK means that they are traded on the 'Pink Sheets' - just type GZPN.PK from any major search engine to see more about them).

And we are not registered with BBB because we are not a US based company - but possibly registering with the BBB is not a bad idea so I will certainly look into it and see what the requirements are for foreign companies.

At the end of the day, I have just two goals, the first is to protect the consumers who have been hit with these transactions; I have tried to post information that is helpful to the consumer in this issue and possibly in protecting themself in the future - is there anyone on this forum who has not gotten their money back from the bank?

Second, I just want to get this issue cleared up and to protect the name of Intabill.com. Integrity Bankcard is not cheap and this mess is costing us money and causing us much grief. I am doing my best to convince the victims here of my and my company's stance but this can be difficult at times and understandably so. What I suggest is that if anyone here does not believe me, please contact your local law enforcement and have them contact the Bank of America, David Press or me.
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#3 Author of original report

This is DEFINITELY A Ripoff

AUTHOR: Barbara - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Friday, June 22, 2007
I agree with you totally. This technician (supposedly) is speaking for the company and that is NOT his job. If Intabill is NOT responsible for this fraud, then why has no one from the executive staff responded?

All I know is Intabill got paid. Not Green Zap. And Intabill can name whoever they want whenever they want as far as I'm concerned and it's still not going to change the color of an apple. Fraud is fraud no matter how you try to pass the buck to someone else. Intabill got the money and that's all that matters to me.

I don't care what anybody says, INTABILL IS A SCAM and we need to STOP THEM NOW. And Bank of America is stupid enough to honor these bogus checks so what does that tell you? There's some heavy crap going on here and not only is one person involved.

I hope they all go to jail.
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#2 Consumer Comment

Who is telling the truth?

AUTHOR: Brilynn - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Friday, June 22, 2007
Ok this goes out to everyone who unlike myself have been rippedoff by Intabill and or by Greenzap.

My question is who is telling the truth? so much unanswered questions but yet no one can really give a straight up answer.... I went to the BBB to search out both companies and guess what greenzap appears but Intabill does not and yesit's true greenzap has been, or is no longer in business anymore. But it still leaves me baffled about this Andrew T fron Intabill (who is just a Tech for that so called company) a company that is not registard with the BBB company!

OK, so far he has been the only that some of you have had contact with!

My question is why, he is only the tech for that company?

Next, I have emailed the account/customer service person who has not even replied back to me yet I'm still waiting!

if he says intabill would not fraud anyone then why are they not registard with BBB company?

Next no soon after someone asks if they are tied in with greenzap or pay he responds with a rebuttal telling most of us its Greenzap thats doing it and to contact them for our refunds yet without the correct phone numbers, knowing that that comany is no longer in business.

Can someone tell me what is wrong with the picture?

Your guess is as good as mines, But for some reason it does not make any sense to just believe anyone anymore because there are questions that are not really being answered by either Andrew T and the compay itself nor from anyone from Greenzap.

Too many loopholes that does not make any sense! It just does not sound right to trust this person when no-one from thier law enforcement investigations for fraud called anyone of us to ask for more info on this fraud.

I have yet to see whats going to happend... The truth will have to come out one way or another!!
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#1 REBUTTAL Owner of company

Greenzap.com is debiting your checking account - not Intabill.com

AUTHOR: Andrew - (Australia)

POSTED: Wednesday, June 20, 2007
Barbara,

I understand your anger but Intabill.com is in NO way affiliated with Greenzap. Greenzap has started a company in the US called Intabill and is processing your transactions under this name.

You will need to contact Greenzap customer service or your bank to arrange a refund.

Intabill.com, the company in Australia did not initiate, originate, transact, hold any money from, charge fees for or even have money pass through their hands for Greenzap - these are TWO different companies entirely.

Intabill.com is still moving forward with its fraud case with the Bank of America - please feel free to contact us via Intabill.com so that we can speak with you personally.

Andrew T
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