Complaint Review: Joe Sayah - Dandenong Nationwide
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*Consumer Comment: Ridiculous!
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Joe Sayah The Fraud!
Well, well, well. The B.S is finally catching up with this self proclaimed Legend. Let me give you a run down on myself. I stated training in Traditional Wing Chun (TWC) in 1979 at
Let me give you a little information what I know about Joe. It is well known in the T.W.C clan that many regard Joe Sayah as a joke. Higher-ranking TWC instructors describe his personality as juvenile and living in a dream world. There have been numerous complaints made about this guy over the years everywhere people have had the misfortune to deal with him.
THE FAKE LINEAGE..
Joe Sayah started training in TWC around the end of the 80s early 90s under Sifu Dana Wong and the final days of Master David Cheung in the
In the world of TWC, there are 2 categories. (1) instructors who learnt TWC under GM when he was teaching classes 1973-88 and (2) those instructors who trained under other instructors and had to settle with GMC seminars 4-6 times a year. Joe Sayah falls under category No 2. It is common for many TWC instructors to skip and disrespect Sifu Dana Wong or their Sifus to claim the higher prestige with the GMC tag.
THE SUBSTANDARD CREDENTIALS.
Joe Sayah Graded privately for Instructor level 10 around 1992 at the
FAILED SCHOOLS..
Within 6mths the Dandenong headquarters was bankrupt and closed for various reasons. Joe took what students remained and started to teach out of a school hall until he shut doors leaving many members disgruntled and out of pocket from the whole ordeal.
In the 90s, Joe found himself hanging around the
THE FAKE FIGHTER
During 80s and 90s GMC arranged a number of full contact Australian Kung Fu championships (Sanshou) but the Joe the Legend wound not compete in any of them saying they were not full contact enough for him then spouted numerous false claims that he was going to fight the Gracie Brothers in UFC and compete in the K1 kickboxing. These claims were made to sidetrack anyone questioning his courage. Many senior students and instructors dismissed this as typical Joe Sayah dreamer B.S as he had no experience what so ever, many just regarded him a coward hiding behind his bizarre claims. Some junior students however were fascinated and thought it pretty cool a Wing Chun instructor was going out to challenge the world; Joe thrived on the attention and yet was so ignorantly blind in seeing so many people laughing at him.
JOE THE SLIME-BALL CREEP.
I totally lost all respect for Joe the day he was mouthing off as usual in front of junior students about one of the senior instructors who had just won a kickboxing match. Joe accused him of being a traitor to the art of Wing Chun for teaching kickboxing techniques in his classes. Joe even had the arrogants to tell GMC in front of people that he was going to go down to the instructors school and strip him of his Gold sash. On that same day the accused instructor walked into the Melbourne academy completely unaware of what had taken place, Joe Sayah ran up to him groveling, he bowed, smiled, shook his hand and welcomed him as if nothing had happened. This was a man, NO SLIME-BALL CREEP that would stab a senior instructor in the back to his Master and then suck up as if it never happened. What a tough guy. When the instructor was told of what had happened, he just shrugged Joe off as irrelevant. I asked GMC if there was any truth in what Joe was saying, his reply was Joe thinks he is someone big and is jealous of anyone with better skills than he
JOE THE LOVE SICK PUPPY
Joe absolutely idolized and worshiped GMC, hanging off every word and story he told. It was hilarious to watch him to try and act like GMC taking on his mannerisms. He even went to the extreme of having GMC and his logo tattooed on his shoulder parading it around like some juvenile gang member with a new patch. GMC had little respect for such small mindedness.
JOE THE MOVIE STAR..
It was not long after the Joe hit the big time. He held an ashtray in a 2 second part in the Jackie Chan movie Mr. Nice Guy. He was now Joe the movie superstar!! So it was off the
RESUME OF KINGS
Upon arriving in America Joes new resume now read; Martial arts legend from Australia, K1 champion and cage fighter and accomplished actor, Go Joe! Oh and did I forget, he was also the number one fighter in the TWC. All false and fabricated lies, but hey, its across the other side of the world and whos going to check right?
I am sure there are many stories in
UNHAPPY AMERICANS
There were a number of letters circulating around head office and TWC instructors from disgruntled students in
THE FAKE IS EXPOSED.
Joe finally landed the roll of villain in the movie Once upon a time in
THE LEGEND RETURNS... RESUME OF GODS..
After a few years in America Joe arrives back in
NEVER ENDING MADNESS
It is one thing to deceive people for money with fraudulent claims, but it is complete madness and psychologically disturbing for someone to actually believe this crap, and sadly Joe does.
In the martial arts there has always been a code of ethics. In the words of GMC. You must help those less fortunate, respect family, your teachers, seniors and juniors, but most of all yourself Joe must have missed those classes?
When choosing a location for his new school in the vastness of Australia he chooses to open a 100 meters down the same street from another TWC school, Lifestyle Kung Fu, run by Joes senior Sifu Bruce Corles. Many people regard Joes actions as dishonorable. But wait there is more.. Joes 2nd school that recently opened in Mornington is less than 50 meters away from another Lifestyle Kung Fu centre. What are you trying to say Joe? You have never been too smart but this is business suicide!!! I have trained with both you and Sifu Bruce and even his instructors have far superior teaching skills and Wing Chun skills to yours, The Lifestyle Kung Fu center in Dandenong is 5 times the size of your crappy joint, more professionally run and fitted out. The only thing you have to offer is pure BS. And that is now its all falling apart.
FACTS
To qualify in the K1 you need to be a nationally recognized Kickboxing champion not a nobody like yourself. Anyone can check the K1 website for the listings of all competitors dating back to its beginning. And guess what! Joe is not there. As for Cage fighting, crap movie clips dont count. If Joe has successfully competed in the cage or in any competition, he would have pictures up all over the walls of his club as his mentality is to brag, instead he ducks and dives when ever asked the question.
Joe is not and has never been regarded by anyone as the No1 fighter in the TWC. He has never even fought before. Dreams and pushing around juniors dont count.
Trainer of the FBI, CIA, bodyguard to the President blaa.. blaa.. blaa? Oh Please. To be involved in diplomatic security you need a minimum of 10 years in the special forces.
Joe, are you really that stupid to think that everyone is buying this crap!!! And for what, to feed your pathetic little ego and scam student enrollment fees? Any one of your students has the legal right to cancel their contracts and even sue your a*s for their money back, claiming misrepresentation. You are not who you claim to be.
You dont even have one government recognized qualification to teach. This means that insurance companies will not insure you and your instructors against professional indemnity. Know wonder you are running scared. You claim to be a master and yet have no control, you practically ruin a students future and hide behind blackmail and a bible. You are nothing more than a traveling evangelist show, moving from town to town spreading B.S to the gullible and taking their money. Time to move on Joe and take your show elsewhere,
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#2 Consumer Comment
Ridiculous!
AUTHOR: Seth - (USA)
SUBMITTED: Wednesday, September 07, 2016
Whomever this, "Anonymous" person is, needs to start with utilizing spellcheck and perhaps receive a grammatical education above the 7th grade level...btw dude, its, "Arrogance" not, "Arrogants'" as in the arrogance that you have in making up such lies about Master Sayah.
I trained under Master Joe from 2002 to 2006 in southern California, doing private lessons with him on a weekly basis. He IS a true disciple of Grand Master William Cheung, as I met Sigung (Grand Master Cheung) at Master Joe's house numerous times! He ALWAYS stayed there when doing seminars in the US on the west coast. He typically conducted them at the Granada Hills school or at Master Oram's school in LA.
I'm not sure who wrote this ridiculous, unintelligent and most inaccurate report about my Master, but it must be disputed and so I choose to do so. I have a Wing Chun school of my own under Master Joe's Association here in Philadelphia, PA...oh, and btw, I am NOT afraid to state my identity, Seth, you can find my school on Google, Drexel Hill, PA. If anyone has a problem with this review, simply show up! Like the Price is Right show, come on down! The lies and jealously shall end now.
#1 Consumer Comment
Joe Sayah K1 Fight Video
AUTHOR: K1 - (United States of America)
SUBMITTED: Thursday, April 22, 2010
Here's the video of his fight. His punches don't look to strong, and am surprised this is how he fights in real combat. K1 is harder than most people imagine, but Master Joe looks so good when practicing with the wood dummy, as well as sparring with his students; that I was saddened by his display in the ring.
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xbghl2_k1-1995-nobuaki-kakuda-vs-bruce-dra_sport
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