Kristy And Bill Bartmann ripoff PuppyMill operators, who continue to avoid any communications, sent altered paperwork and sells very sick puppies Mounds Oklahoma

my son spent all his x-mas money on a dashund from the bartmans. Mrs bartman told us that they had given the puppy its shots. Also we was told that it had been to the vet. I was very niave.

It was a few days before christmas so we did not take the puppy to the vet until after x-mas. we noticed that she was feeling sick. we took herin to the vet and she brownie was very sick. well she did not have parvo so we thought it was the change of food so i called the bartmans andthey told me that they had been feeding her old roy. so we changed back to that and a day later she was not better we took her back to the vet and she was hospitalized.

well she seemed to get alittle better. when we picked her she seemed a litle better so we went ahead to have a hernia removed off her belly the following monday. well brownie died. she had intestinal worms so bad that it filled the lining of her tummy. these people are crooks they would not give us the name of their vet either my son paid $100. all his x-mas money.

You Sheeple are just amazing! I don't care about the fact that you are a breeder or a happy purchaser! How in the heck can ANYONE think it's ok to NOT treat an unhealthy animal? Sheila is to blame? ARE YOU KIDDING?! OF COURSE SHE TREATED THE PUPPY.
I don't know if you have animals, but if you do they should be taken away. As soon as you realize a pet has health issues it should be treated. It's not a matter of buying shoes. You can't just "ship them back" or some such idiocy. Those of you who answered like this are not fit to deal with other living being.
If you are bleeding to death should I ship you back to your parents?
NO!
I should provide CPR and seek medical treatment. You are unbelievable.
Truly.
I have so many choice worlds I would like to relay to you in person but I will not get ugly here.
Have you ever heard about being a responsible pet owner?
They are not disposable.

I am in shock by the comments that I have read. I personally have dealt with Rick Bartmann and he is scum of the earth. I purchased a sick Rottweiler puppy from him in Oct 2006. The pup was sick and he didn't care one bit. And as for Pam or whomever it was who said to put the pup to sleep and get a full refund. Are you for real? Have you ever heard of doing the right thing. I would love for that person who said that to get an innocent sick little pup and not at least try to save its life. I am so thankful that in Nevada we have vets that have compassion for animals that will try to help them live instead of killing them. It is just sad that a person is making a living off of doing something like this. What goes around comes around. As for the person who saved her pup. Good for you! I did to and I am happy to say my pup is healthy thanks to me! I encourage anyone who disagrees with what I have to say, write me back!

I am in shock by the comments that I have read. I personally have dealt with Rick Bartmann and he is scum of the earth. I purchased a sick Rottweiler puppy from him in Oct 2006. The pup was sick and he didn't care one bit. And as for Pam or whomever it was who said to put the pup to sleep and get a full refund. Are you for real? Have you ever heard of doing the right thing. I would love for that person who said that to get an innocent sick little pup and not at least try to save its life. I am so thankful that in Nevada we have vets that have compassion for animals that will try to help them live instead of killing them. It is just sad that a person is making a living off of doing something like this. What goes around comes around. As for the person who saved her pup. Good for you! I did to and I am happy to say my pup is healthy thanks to me! I encourage anyone who disagrees with what I have to say, write me back!

I am in shock by the comments that I have read. I personally have dealt with Rick Bartmann and he is scum of the earth. I purchased a sick Rottweiler puppy from him in Oct 2006. The pup was sick and he didn't care one bit. And as for Pam or whomever it was who said to put the pup to sleep and get a full refund. Are you for real? Have you ever heard of doing the right thing. I would love for that person who said that to get an innocent sick little pup and not at least try to save its life. I am so thankful that in Nevada we have vets that have compassion for animals that will try to help them live instead of killing them. It is just sad that a person is making a living off of doing something like this. What goes around comes around. As for the person who saved her pup. Good for you! I did to and I am happy to say my pup is healthy thanks to me! I encourage anyone who disagrees with what I have to say, write me back!

I am in shock by the comments that I have read. I personally have dealt with Rick Bartmann and he is scum of the earth. I purchased a sick Rottweiler puppy from him in Oct 2006. The pup was sick and he didn't care one bit. And as for Pam or whomever it was who said to put the pup to sleep and get a full refund. Are you for real? Have you ever heard of doing the right thing. I would love for that person who said that to get an innocent sick little pup and not at least try to save its life. I am so thankful that in Nevada we have vets that have compassion for animals that will try to help them live instead of killing them. It is just sad that a person is making a living off of doing something like this. What goes around comes around. As for the person who saved her pup. Good for you! I did to and I am happy to say my pup is healthy thanks to me! I encourage anyone who disagrees with what I have to say, write me back!

I have reason to believe that "Jason", "Pam", and "Angie" are none other than Bill Bartmann himself. In my email correspondences with him, he used many of the same grammatical and spelling mistakes ('vacination', 'due'), not to mention the same hard-to-read run-on sentences and the audacity of some of the responses. Bartmann is a con artist. He operates under many names and on several different sites, including "puppies4sale.org" - a site that appears to be a marketplace for both buyers and sellers, when in reality Bartmann is the only seller. Do not put it past him to respond to complaints on ripoffreport under several alias' for damage control. This is what he does for a living, not breed dogs.

Bill Bartmann sold us a Great Dane puppy with Parvo. Yes, Parvo does happen, but if it does, a decent breeder should be there to help. The way Bill and Kristy Bartmann treated us after our Great Dane puppy was diagnosed with Parvo proves they are puppy brokers with whom no one should do business.

We received "Gabby" at 11 pm on Feb. 20. We did not receive any of the papers Mr. Bartmann said he would send with the puppy. By 4 am Feb 24 she was violently ill, and repeated calls to the Bartmann went unanswered eventhough other puppies offered for sale by the Bartmanns on "Nextdaypets" had the same phone number. Gabby was diagnosed with Parvo, and we spent $2200 getting her well.

Once again, we tried to contact the Bartmanns via e-mail and received from Kristy Bartmann very unprofessional, unbusinesslike response accusing us of trying to get a free puppy. Further inquiries by us were responded to just as rudely and unprofessionally. As we watched the list of complaints against Bill "Rick" and Kristy Bartmann grow on "Ripoffreport," we knew that we were not the only ones ripped off by these unscrupulous people. We also know that the continued effort by everyone with this same goal in mind is having an effect on their deplorable business.

About a month ago, Bill Bartmann contacted ME and asked why I hadn't sent him any of the paperwork and bills. I asked him "why", and he said because he was going to help pay for them. He acted as if this was a previously understood agreement between us. Obviously, he was trying to stop the complaints against him and his wife. I responded by saying that the e-mails his wife sent made it clear that compensation was out of the question, and she had accused us of trying to get a free dog. He responded angrily that he was "the boss" in their household. I also reminded him that he had not returned my phone calls in over 2 months. He then continued with his "act", but we have no interest in letting Bill and Kristy Bartmann continue to be cruel to animals and rip off people, so we do not want their money.

I would like to find out how to contact owners of Gabby's littermates and her true breeder. If anyone has any suggestions on how I can find this information,please post on this site.

I amend this post yet again as of 4/21/06. I got a phone call from a breeder in Oklahoma who has been trying to assist me with information etc. She researched the name that was on the ACA paperwork we just recently received. Mr Bartmann portrayed himself as the breeder but in fact another person was. I have been in contact with this person as well and she tells me Mr. Bartmann bought 6 puppies from her under false pretenses ( he told her he ran a camp for underprivledged foster children) and so she sold these puppies to him at great discount. This man is a theif, a liar and a FRAUD!!!!
Sheila
Farmington NH

I agree with what pam said.You did make it sound like your dog was holding on for dear life.I think a full refund is all you are entitled to especially after you said the puppies were sold in the same time frame.Being a breeder here in florida for going on 30 years now I have seen parvo before and you must understand that it is something that is very hard to prevent.Even if the pup is vacinated for it it doesent mean it cant catch it.If the puppies were sold around the same time it is VERY LIKELY that the breeder had no ideal any of the pups were sick.It sounds like you are trying to take every penny from this seller and when in return he might have had no knowledge of the pup even being sick.You should be ashamed of yourself.If it was me I would have offered the same thing a refund on the puppy and as you said in your response you didnt want to give up on the little guy so YOU decided to treat the pup so take some responsibility.Also one other thing that makes me wonder about you as a person is your very first statement said Kristy And Bill Bartmann ripoff PuppyMill operators, who continue to avoid any communications, so do you know they are a puppymill or do you just think you know they are.Either way why dont you take responsibility for your pup.I encourage you to due some more research on parvo because you dont seem to be very educated.One more thing I noticed you said in your last rebuttal that no one said he was going to die but you said he was seriously ill and when you say a pup is seriously ill to me that means he doesent have a very good shot at all.

I agree with what pam said.You did make it sound like your dog was holding on for dear life.I think a full refund is all you are entitled to especially after you said the puppies were sold in the same time frame.Being a breeder here in florida for going on 30 years now I have seen parvo before and you must understand that it is something that is very hard to prevent.Even if the pup is vacinated for it it doesent mean it cant catch it.If the puppies were sold around the same time it is VERY LIKELY that the breeder had no ideal any of the pups were sick.It sounds like you are trying to take every penny from this seller and when in return he might have had no knowledge of the pup even being sick.You should be ashamed of yourself.If it was me I would have offered the same thing a refund on the puppy and as you said in your response you didnt want to give up on the little guy so YOU decided to treat the pup so take some responsibility.Also one other thing that makes me wonder about you as a person is your very first statement said Kristy And Bill Bartmann ripoff PuppyMill operators, who continue to avoid any communications, so do you know they are a puppymill or do you just think you know they are.Either way why dont you take responsibility for your pup.I encourage you to due some more research on parvo because you dont seem to be very educated.One more thing I noticed you said in your last rebuttal that no one said he was going to die but you said he was seriously ill and when you say a pup is seriously ill to me that means he doesent have a very good shot at all.

I agree with what pam said.You did make it sound like your dog was holding on for dear life.I think a full refund is all you are entitled to especially after you said the puppies were sold in the same time frame.Being a breeder here in florida for going on 30 years now I have seen parvo before and you must understand that it is something that is very hard to prevent.Even if the pup is vacinated for it it doesent mean it cant catch it.If the puppies were sold around the same time it is VERY LIKELY that the breeder had no ideal any of the pups were sick.It sounds like you are trying to take every penny from this seller and when in return he might have had no knowledge of the pup even being sick.You should be ashamed of yourself.If it was me I would have offered the same thing a refund on the puppy and as you said in your response you didnt want to give up on the little guy so YOU decided to treat the pup so take some responsibility.Also one other thing that makes me wonder about you as a person is your very first statement said Kristy And Bill Bartmann ripoff PuppyMill operators, who continue to avoid any communications, so do you know they are a puppymill or do you just think you know they are.Either way why dont you take responsibility for your pup.I encourage you to due some more research on parvo because you dont seem to be very educated.One more thing I noticed you said in your last rebuttal that no one said he was going to die but you said he was seriously ill and when you say a pup is seriously ill to me that means he doesent have a very good shot at all.

I agree with what pam said.You did make it sound like your dog was holding on for dear life.I think a full refund is all you are entitled to especially after you said the puppies were sold in the same time frame.Being a breeder here in florida for going on 30 years now I have seen parvo before and you must understand that it is something that is very hard to prevent.Even if the pup is vacinated for it it doesent mean it cant catch it.If the puppies were sold around the same time it is VERY LIKELY that the breeder had no ideal any of the pups were sick.It sounds like you are trying to take every penny from this seller and when in return he might have had no knowledge of the pup even being sick.You should be ashamed of yourself.If it was me I would have offered the same thing a refund on the puppy and as you said in your response you didnt want to give up on the little guy so YOU decided to treat the pup so take some responsibility.Also one other thing that makes me wonder about you as a person is your very first statement said Kristy And Bill Bartmann ripoff PuppyMill operators, who continue to avoid any communications, so do you know they are a puppymill or do you just think you know they are.Either way why dont you take responsibility for your pup.I encourage you to due some more research on parvo because you dont seem to be very educated.One more thing I noticed you said in your last rebuttal that no one said he was going to die but you said he was seriously ill and when you say a pup is seriously ill to me that means he doesent have a very good shot at all.

Thank you for your comment but boy am I glad Im not a pet of yours. First of all when your the one responsible for a living breathing creature I dont know bout you but I dont approach life or death so casually. So tell me, was I supposed to ship back a dead puppy to Mr. Bartmann?? No one EVER said the dog was definately going to die...NO ONE EVER said that it was hopeless. Im sorry for not just throwing in the towel as you would have. I cherish all living things and this puppy though we only had a short time WE CARED ABOUT IT!!

So for an update, Buster is doing AWESOME at this point. Mr Bartmann offered us just the cost of the puppy back however he was telling lies right along with his offer. It was refused. WMUR in NH have interviewed us and they will also share this story with Channel 2 in OK. From what the reporter who came here said, Channel 2 has paid a visit to Mr. Bartmann the other day. I am ONE of MANY people this person has sold sick puppies to. Many of them were sold in the same time frame. I have altered and false paperwork. ALL this information gives me VERY GOOD reason to believe MR BILL BARTMANN runs a puppymill business of some kind.

Sheila
Farmington NH

I must say that I totally disagree with you on this.I even had my husband come read it and he said the same thing.If the puppy was as bad as you say he was why didnt you have him put to sleep.I am sure you are going to say that you were to attached after a couple of hours but
if you were the one who decided to treat the puppy and spend $1000 on a puppy you just received then that is your fault.You made the decison to treat the pup so you are responsible for the vet bills.If it was me and I bought a puppy and he was as sick as you claim your puppy was and he also had a badly broken toe then I would have had the pup put to sleep instead of spending a $1000.00 on a puppy I have had only a few hours.I think you are entitled to a refund for the puppy because when you received him he was sick but as far as the vet bills go that is your problem.How do you know this guy runs a puppy mill?Have you been to his place?The point is you made the decision to treat the puppy so you are responsible.

Thank you for your response...but I fail to see how being MORE polite will help. Mr Bartmann was informed along the way by email and phone the condition of the puppy he sold us. He knew during our last phonecall what we wanted for a resolution. I cant sit here and tell you that you did not buy a puppy from Bartmann because I simply do not know you. I know, so far, you are the ONLY person I have heard from who has had a good experience buying a puppy from this man. I have been in contact with 2 other people and have paperwork concerning at least 2 others. The last person I had contact from had to have the puppy she bought put to sleep at only 9 wks of age. Yes our puppy is doing much better but that does not cancel the fact THIS particular puppy was NOT HEALTHY when he was sold. I have medical records and paperwork to prove just that.

I recently viewed your recent statements about Bill Bartman and I am sorry to hear what supposedly happen to your puppy.I too just purchased a puppy from him and his wife and it too was a great dane and it was in wonderful shape and everything he said it was.I picked the pup up locally and Bill's dogs appeared to be in great shape.I would highly recomend him to anyone that was wanting to buy a pup.Not one of his dogs appeared to be ill.Maybe you should try to contact Mr.Bartman again and try to be polite as you can be and see if there is anything you guys can work out.I would bet he would try to do something to help.Bill was a pleasure to work with and I would be shocked if he wouldnt help you as long as you were polite and were within reason.Thanks and hope your puppy is doing better.

I know the staff there quite well and rudeness is not the norm unless pounced on first and then they as anybody, has the right to go on the defensive and perhaps YOU were the one on defense first. They do have to abide by the right-to privacy act you know. You refer to IN MY EYES, but one must wonder if you're wearing blinders ( made of anger ). Has it occured to you that perhaps the puppy Dr.Bynum examined is not the puppy Bartman sent you or that if indeed it was the same puppy he was not yet showing any signs of illness. As far as I know Dr. Bynum does not yet possess a crystal ball to predict future illnesses, but after this slanderous assualt by you it might be in his best interest to locate one to be better able to predict what happens or what the client does after leaving his clinic. One must also wonder that perhaps Dr. Bynum is working on the problem of Mr. Bartman and has to go through the proper channels first.
Glad to hear that the little fella seems to be doing better.

Thank you for your comments. However, One of the first places I called about my altered vet paperwork was Dr Bynums office. I was treated with great disprespect and rudeness!!! The staff at DR BYNUMS office didnt seem to care that I am in possession of paperwork that does indeed make it appear that SOMETHIN FISHY IS GOING ON!!! If none come better than him and hes so honest shouldnt he be concerned that HIS GOOD NAME is being used by someone operating a puppymill?? In my eyes if your not part of the solution..perhaps its because your part of the problem. WHEN DR BYNUM sends me the paperwork I was refused by his office maybe then my posistion on him will change. AS for BILL AND KRISTY BARTMANN...I have been in contact now with 2 other people who also purchased sick puppies from him. One of the puppies has been put to sleep. I still have had NO communication from BILL OR KRISTY BARTMANN. We made a big mistake believing that puppyfind.com was a good way to find a puppy. We were naive and uneducated about puppymills. I will continue to share my story with all to hopefully spare others from going the nightmare we continue to go thru. ON a bright note, our puppy BUSTER is doing well and hopefully will be just fine. We see the vet again on Friday so we will see then.

To Sheilia,

In your report you insinuated that Br. Bynum had something to do with your dealings with Bill Bartman. I have been a client of Dr. Bynum for many years with our cattle operation and pets and I have used a lot of vets through the years but can tell you right up front that there are none that come any better or more honest as Dr. Bynum. The problem with your Puppy lies entirely with the clown you bought it from ! He's well known in these parts as one you'd better watch out for.

I believe a retraction is in order as to the remarks directed towards Dr. Bynum.

I am so sorry for your misfortune with your new baby. It is so painful to watch a poor helpless pup go through something like this.

I would suggest you start with the AKC. They have a website at www.akc.org. Make a complaint to them, contact the attorney general in the breeders state and also contact animal control for the county they reside in. Parvo is highly contagious in puppies so if they have more puppies there they most likely either have it or are going to get it.

Let us know how it turns out and best wishes to you and your pup on a speedy recovery.

I am so sorry for your misfortune with your new baby. It is so painful to watch a poor helpless pup go through something like this.

I would suggest you start with the AKC. They have a website at www.akc.org. Make a complaint to them, contact the attorney general in the breeders state and also contact animal control for the county they reside in. Parvo is highly contagious in puppies so if they have more puppies there they most likely either have it or are going to get it.

Let us know how it turns out and best wishes to you and your pup on a speedy recovery.

I am so sorry for your misfortune with your new baby. It is so painful to watch a poor helpless pup go through something like this.

I would suggest you start with the AKC. They have a website at www.akc.org. Make a complaint to them, contact the attorney general in the breeders state and also contact animal control for the county they reside in. Parvo is highly contagious in puppies so if they have more puppies there they most likely either have it or are going to get it.

Let us know how it turns out and best wishes to you and your pup on a speedy recovery.

I am so sorry for your misfortune with your new baby. It is so painful to watch a poor helpless pup go through something like this.

I would suggest you start with the AKC. They have a website at www.akc.org. Make a complaint to them, contact the attorney general in the breeders state and also contact animal control for the county they reside in. Parvo is highly contagious in puppies so if they have more puppies there they most likely either have it or are going to get it.

Let us know how it turns out and best wishes to you and your pup on a speedy recovery.