Report: #1225520

Complaint Review: Norse Custom Homes, LLC - Gig Harbor Washington

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  • Reported By: JBG — Washington USA
  • Norse Custom Homes, LLC 7606 40th Street Court NW Gig Harbor, Washington USA

Norse Custom Homes, LLC, Norseland Construction, Liljegren Enterprises, Jon G. Liljegren How to verify your contractor's past with a detailed sample. Gig Harbor Washington

*Author of original report: A final update…the 4 missing screen shots.

*Author of original report: A final update? This time with all 9 screen shots.

*Author of original report: What is it "worth?"

*REBUTTAL Owner of company: Estranged family member

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█ Norse Custom Homes, LLC can be a difficult company to review since, after my background check that included an often required "prior direct experience with the business" in the form of contacting "owner" JL, I wasn't about to foolishly hire him...a firm requirement at many (but not all) review sites. This rewrite is to meet most review do's and don'ts so simply at JL's request, my verifyable review won't be deleted on a technicality like providing names from public record, hence, JL, EL, M ect.!!
█ Originally, after looking over the Norse website, I looked for what others thought with a search on the phrase "Norse Custom Homes".  Of 20+ with Norse info, I found a single nice posting that wasn't clearly just a company "good guys" or other comment and an A+ rating by another. Great! But obviously not based on issues I list here! If you're beginning to consider this contractor, read on! My next checks produce results I didn't find anywhere else...a raw list of many extremely serious issues. More than enough to motivate me to post this review, making this critical, verifiable information likely to be found.
█ Public records (next paragraph) show JL has conflicts that are increasingly severe with the IRS & many more. Condensed for review limits, in April 2015, I found:  [a.] of 255 Liljegren Auditor records listed, 4 in 2011-12 are "FEDERAL TAX LIEN" (at "Sort by:", choose "Date...Descending" to easily find) on their heavily 2010 mortgaged house showing JL and his wife additionally owed a total of $94,435 to the IRS. Another record there shows "RELEASE FED TX LIEN" on only the $14,490.79 lien leaving a total of $79,944 still due. (What underwater/judgment proof, even to the IRS, looks like.) [b.] at the Courts site, 25+ records that list JL or his wife (including the various misspellings but clearly them) as "defendant" since 1995, [c.] at the Auditor & Courts sites, many judgments and liens often against both JL and his wife, with many not shown as resolved and [d.] the "M" Courts search finds King Co Superior Ct. records showing a 45 item, 3+ year process including item 19, a "Petition For Removal Of Pr" to successfully remove JL from the Personal Representative (Pr) control of the 2011 estate. (This is a forced removal requiring clear and compelling evidence of wrong doings.) All these findings tell me this SOB has the balls to try to fight the IRS, subcontractors, suppliers, lenders, his siblings and more! Biting a lot of dust doing it doesn't seem to have improved his ways! It seems the Pierce County Parks, Peninsula School District and a few others were lucky to get JL to pay up though Auditor records do show it took more than 2 years. Bottom line, is THIS the guy to trust to properly account for of hundreds of thousands of your dollars while building your home?
█ Verification...per his website, JL currently is Norse Custom Homes, LLC. Per L&I, JL was formerly Liljegren Enterprises dba Norseland Construction. Go to three references: 1. *Pierce County Auditor* (there Search Documents link at the page bottom, then "click here..." then Recorded Documents gets you to Name:), 2. *Washington Courts name search* and 3. *Washington L&I verify a contractor* (there at "I want to search by" choose "Name"). Search each *phrase* to get to each reference. Search the Auditor and L&I sites with only LILJEGREN in only the labeled "Name:" box. The Courts site makes it harder by additionally requiring at least the first name initial. Of the full alphabet, clearly JL related information showed only when first initial J, S and M were added to those 3 separate LILJEGREN searches. "J" found 15 listings for JL, 4 for John (JL misspelled but clearly him), and 4 for Jane Doe (his wife's name apparently not known but these listings also include a JL/John G.L.) "S" found 3 for his wife "M" found his mom's estate with JL as the removed 1st PR. Of course, this doesn't find likely misspellings of Liljegren.
█ The L&I site shows JL is NOT the "owner" OR "governing person" of what is presented at the Norse and many review sites as JL's one man Limited Liability Co. His required bond "protecting" you is the minimum $12,000! EL, listed by L&I as the "owner," is not mentioned anywhere on the Norse website and returns not one public record in the Auditor search, perhaps because a separate search shows he also lives a long way from Pierce County! JL's new company with new "owner" EL's A+ rating? Why completely dump Norseland?
█ Do check all this out first hand. It's all there and useful to know how it works. For more, look at complete records for the details of what the above searches only list. With potentially reams of documents, it is most efficient to view them at each of the offices. Also get a professional background check to find some of what the government doesn't tell you. Remember, this lists only what makes it to recorded public records. I leave out much more where verification is not as easy. Good luck!

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#4 Author of original report

A final update…the 4 missing screen shots.

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POSTED: Tuesday, April 12, 2016

Unknown technical issues continue preventing all 9 screen shots from appearing at one time in the prior posting (below?) titled “A final update? This time with all 9 screen shots.” Hopefully below are all 4 that failed to post there as intended. There may be an unknown post size limit at Ripoff Report too that was exceeded!

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A final update? This time with all 9 screen shots.

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POSTED: Monday, April 11, 2016

Now about a year later, I see it is possible to include current screen shots of much more of the actual evidence to help insure you, a potential customer, can more easily review it! Not much has changed since the last post here. It is nice to see this one star Ripoff Report posting is still posted and even easier to find. While Jon was able to remove anything negative about him at all other “highly ranked” review sites, as you will see below, Jon's poor public record has changed little if at all. It is also nice to see that a number of the 5 star reviewers have apparently decided to remove their reviews that Jon requested last May. Of the few remaining, at least 1/2 are by Jon, family or friends, not recent customers. Given the readily available and undisputable ugly facts available to them then vs. the only "beautiful" opinions they offered, who’s best interests are they looking out for? It seems rather Bill Cosby-ish. Mountains of evidence yet still those few supporters who “just know” it couldn’t possibly be true.

If you choose to ignore these cautions, do fully expect Jon to be ready for you with "an amazing story" why his public record and more really won't matter to you! Be sure you thoroughly and independently verify whatever he says. He is apparently skilled at omitting and removing details critical to an honest evaluation. In this situation, trust is not your friend. He could have been a "great" politician!

The instructions in my first post here on how to uncover the truth were written to conform to largely unwritten rules many review sites have, including just fitting a 5000 character limit that apparently doesn’t exist at Ripoff Report. It was too much critical information to reasonably fit the limit. With this post, 9 current screen shots of webpages are included that were only referenced before (but don’t trust me either, confirm their truth yourself!) Choosing only a few document types to search followed by a sort by date now fits the worst of the Pierce County Auditor issues to one web page instead of eleven. If you check firsthand, you will see I cropped out 3 unrelated listings for someone else.

Basically they show a very small sampling of the last 20 years of a much longer “train wreck”. Many more "failures" never made it into these records. Jon's IRS $79,944 debt remains unchanged since 2012. Note per the name and date that the RELEASE FED TX LIEN can only show the $14,490.79 is settled…of what totaled about $95,000! Note too, Jon's 7606 address is also referenced as LOT 29.

The following Auditor Search results, in screen shots 1 and 2, are for items [a.] & [c.] of the first post here at Ripoff Report. (Do note the “Criteria:” near the top of the screen shot 1 that includes name, document types, sort method and date.):

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Listing #11 above shows "Lot 49" sold for failure to pay over $160,000 in debts due and additional amounts to underlying lien holders on this property. (Click on View at the Pierce County Auditor website to see the document yourself!)

Screen shots 3, 4 and 5 below show Washington Courts “LILJEGREN J” search results for items [b.] & [c.] of the first post here at Ripoff Report. (25 of those 31 listings are relevant. Only the six lines 1, 2, 7, 8, 9 and 10 in screen shot 3 below are for unrelated “J’s”. Note clicking on the blue “Available” on many of these listings that include “Jane Doe”, “John G” and “Susanne” confirm some of who and what is involved.) Look yourself up to see how “normal” looks different than this! (Defendants are typically not the "good guys"!)

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Court search results in screen shots 6 and 7 for item [d.] of the first post here at Ripoff Report:

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