NW Legal Support, Ron Belec, Jim Hellums, Randy, Stacey Phone harassment, stalking, intimidation, trespassing lying saying buyer trying to lure me to meet him under false prestences Seattle Washington

I am a process server in Washington state and it never ceases to amaze me how ignorant the citizens of this country are about the service of legal process. First of all avoiding service is pointless. Process servers are considered 'agents of the court' and are required to practice 'due diligence' in getting notice to the servee that legal action has been taken against them.

Why? Because the US has one of the fairest legal justice systems in the world. The fifth and fourteenth amendments to the US Constitution, guarantee us 'due process'. Part of due process requires that if you take legal action against someone in a court in this country, you are required to notify them of said action so that they may answer to and defend themself against said action. Being served is not a 'punishment', it is a PRIVILEGE. 

Ideally, we get the plaintiff or respondent personally served at their abode. Most of the time we can leave the papers with a co-resident 14 yrs of age or older. If you avoid service at home it it perfectly legal for us to go to your place of employment to attempt service. If your job does not allow service or you avoid us there, the plaintif can then ask the court to allow service by post/mail. In this case we tape the papers to your door, (where all of your neighbors can see), and mail you a copy. Lastly, there is service by publication, where your private business gets put in the paper for all the world to see. At this point, 'due diligence' has been established, and you are considered 'served'. 

Now, the more modes of service that a plaintif has to go through to get you served, the more it costs them. What if YOU were the plaintif? Would you think it was ok for the respondent to avoid service? Would you be ok with paying through the teeth to establish diligence? I doubt it. Lawsuits are expensive enough. So just answer the door and accept service!

Process servers perform an important function. I do this because I strongly believe in 'due process'. But I also know that I may not come home at night. Process servers get treated horribly sometimes. I myself have had people go nuts on me, point guns at me, throw papers back at me, etc., etc., etc. Getting mad at or avoiding the process server makes about as much sense as getting mad at or avoiding the mailman. We are both neutral parties trying to get a delivery to you, so why make our jobs harder than they have to be? Would you appreciate someone doing that to you?

And to answer the question of trespassing. I regularly drive right by 'no trespassing' signs. Why? Due diligence. In Washington state process servers have a legal defense against trespassing. While we are not allowed to enter your abode or garage or any other building on your property that is not opened to the public, there is very little chance that we will be arrested or prosecuted for coming onto your property and knocking on your door to attempt service. Once again, we are considered 'agents of the court' and as such we are expected to practice 'due diligence' in attempting to get you served. In other words, YOUR CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHT TO DUE PROCESS, TRUMPS THE NO TRESPASS SIGN YOU HAVE ON YOUR FENCE POST. And rightly so.

I was recently talking with someone about this very issue. My friend has an aquaintence from the Ukraine who told him there is no 'due process' there. He told him that you might be sleeping and some guys will come in the middle of the night and open your garage and take your cars and if you go out of your house to question what they are doing, you may just 'disappear'. So be grateful you live here folks, and for gosh sakes, open the door, identify yourself and accept service. We are required to make a certain amount of attempts, not harassing you!

Our Legal Process Server did exactly what she should have done

This defendant was avoiding service of process, clearly

Just What Does One Think Is Going to Happen, When One Does That?

The plaintiff is just going to go away? Will not employ anther Agency to effect service?

BS, we get the job done, every time, one way or another, every time. Just Ask Yves Julian Cauvin, he will also complain that I did not serve him. Funny thing is, I have his picture just after service took place.

It is of no import that she may have been pulling in or out of her garage. As I understand it, she pulled in and then, when she noticed the server, she attempted to leave, just as she had done in the past.

Ron Belec

E & E = Economy and Effectiveness

Of what use is Effectiveness if it costs Thousands to get there? = Nothing

E & E really means just what we did do, serve the summons and complaint when the server and the defendant are present at the same time and place

Ron Belec

Ron if you look at the report filed by your employee you it states "THE LADY BEING SERVED WAS TRYING TO BACK OUT OF THE GARAGE" if you employee was not in the garage how do you explain that statement?

Ron if you look at the report filed by your employee you it states "THE LADY BEING SERVED WAS TRYING TO BACK OUT OF THE GARAGE" if you employee was not in the garage how do you explain that statement?

Ron if you look at the report filed by your employee you it states "THE LADY BEING SERVED WAS TRYING TO BACK OUT OF THE GARAGE" if you employee was not in the garage how do you explain that statement?

Ron if you look at the report filed by your employee you it states "THE LADY BEING SERVED WAS TRYING TO BACK OUT OF THE GARAGE" if you employee was not in the garage how do you explain that statement?

Effectively and Efficiently. If you can do it I know I could do it better.

Average Citizen

However, you may well meet with any of my Process Servers and they will all tell you to "Piss Off" we do not have the time to play games with people that avoid service of process and their legal debts.

Like you maybe?

I very much doubt you could show me or anyone, how to get that job done with E & E

Sure, you do not know what E & E is

Ron Belec

Tell you what, the next time you come across a person that has a locked gate and you feel the only way to get the papers served is to jump over that gate you make a post here and I will meet you and I will show you how to serve the papers without jumping their gate. You know as well as I or anyone else there are better ways, you just enjoy being the macho tough guy. Even your competitors say that you go to the unnecessary offensive BS. Go back and read the article that Seattle Weekly wrote about you. Get it?

Average Citizen

Do the same things!

If one does not, the papers do not get served and the customer goes else where, more often than not, to my company

You simply do not understand - Service of legal process trumps a fence or locked gate.

Get it

Ron Belec

No I am not suggesting that people be able to avoid paying their bills by posting no trespassing signs or locking gates. What I am suggesting is that YOU find another way to serve them rather than jumping over locked gates and such.

Go ask your competitors how they are able to get the job done without all the offensive BS that you seem to think is necessary. Maybe you could learn a thing or two.

And it is not that I don't like process servers I just don't like you and your lowlife tactics.

I don't have a problem paying my bills. I am 53 years old and retired in perfect health. I live quite comfortably thank you. I own my home (no mortgage) and other property.

Average Citizen

You simply do not know what you are talking about

Are you suggesting that people should be able to avoid paying their debts simply by locking a gate and posting a No Trespassing sign?

Now we know why you don't like Process Servers, don't we? You do not pay your bills, maybe?

Ron Belec

First let me say I do get it, I am the one who posted the law change above. Your intelligence is showing again.

I realize that process servers are able to trespass, climb locked gates and such. but that does not make it right. The law could be changed again to be right. The more people like you abuse their authority the more likely it will get fixed. I don't know why the the law stopped short of letting process servers just walk right on in the persons home. You would not be challenging my freedom by doing so either.

Here is what I would like for you to understand. That law does go against what the Constitution says. You should not have the right to climb over locked gates to serve papers. That law needs to be changed. And I realize that is why and how the law was changed, so that process servers could get away with trespassing. It is so wrong to give process servers more authority than law enforcement has.

And I am not going to go to the trouble to find out if a process server has been charged with trespass after that law was changed. I really don't give a d**n. It still remains to be unconstitutional and just down right wrong.

Average Citizen

You just do not get it do you?

Yes! Police Officers must have PC or a warrant to do just as you say, that has to do with the law of the land and the fact that your freedom may be at risk if in fact a crime has been committed.

A process server needs neither, as your freedom is not in question in any time. All that happens is you get served with legal documents.

Come on, read the law before you make such comments. And, find us one, just one Legal Process Server charged with and convicted of trespass for climbing over a fence to serve Legal Process, just one. Wont find a one in Washington after that law was passed, passed just for that purpose, by the way.

Ron Belec

In the state of Wa. a police officer needs to have probable cause and or a warrant to be able to climb over a locked gate. Saint Ron believes he has more power than law enforcement. If you put his name into search on Rip Off Report you will find more stories and comments about St Ron thinking he is above the law. He needs to be stopped. There are many good processor servers in this state that do not go the extreme that Belec gos to and are just as effective without all the offensive B.S.

I am a landlord that has been to court many times and have had papers served on people as well as have had papers served on me.

As you can see when you make a post such as yours you give him an ego boost. I hate to see him encouraged.

Average Citizen

"If you research Ron Belec you will find that he has ties in LV Nevada the people defending him from Vegas are probably his Pals."

I don't know who Ron Belec is, sorry. I'm not defending anyone, as I don't know the details of his service history or charges. I just happen to know that process service is different state to state, each state having coming up with their own service rules. It's all well and good to parade the Constitution around but one must realize that courts have come up with their own service rules and some of these rules keep someone acting on behalf of the court free from charges IF they are acting as agents of the court and they operate within the confines of the rules layed out for them. Is it fair? I don't know- every situation is different. Do some servers believe they are above the law? Probably. Should process service be done strictly by law enforcement officers? Probably, but how many areas in this country have understaffed and underfunded police departments? It's not realistic. It would probably also be best to make service rules uniform across the board, but I don't see that happening. But people need to realize that states and courts are allowed to create their own laws. Whether or not they are Constitutional is up to interpretation much of the time.

As far as state rules and the Constitution, if someone is acting as an agent of the court they are probably given limited status closely resembling that of a police officer in regards to trespassing. Much like contract law, it's probably like operating as an assignee or designee. At any rate, I've never been served but I'm certain that I wouldn't be happy if someone hopped my fence and I'm not sure how I'd react to such an action.

"If you research Ron Belec you will find that he has ties in LV Nevada the people defending him from Vegas are probably his Pals."

I don't know who Ron Belec is, sorry. I'm not defending anyone, as I don't know the details of his service history or charges. I just happen to know that process service is different state to state, each state having coming up with their own service rules. It's all well and good to parade the Constitution around but one must realize that courts have come up with their own service rules and some of these rules keep someone acting on behalf of the court free from charges IF they are acting as agents of the court and they operate within the confines of the rules layed out for them. Is it fair? I don't know- every situation is different. Do some servers believe they are above the law? Probably. Should process service be done strictly by law enforcement officers? Probably, but how many areas in this country have understaffed and underfunded police departments? It's not realistic. It would probably also be best to make service rules uniform across the board, but I don't see that happening. But people need to realize that states and courts are allowed to create their own laws. Whether or not they are Constitutional is up to interpretation much of the time.

As far as state rules and the Constitution, if someone is acting as an agent of the court they are probably given limited status closely resembling that of a police officer in regards to trespassing. Much like contract law, it's probably like operating as an assignee or designee. At any rate, I've never been served but I'm certain that I wouldn't be happy if someone hopped my fence and I'm not sure how I'd react to such an action.

"If you research Ron Belec you will find that he has ties in LV Nevada the people defending him from Vegas are probably his Pals."

I don't know who Ron Belec is, sorry. I'm not defending anyone, as I don't know the details of his service history or charges. I just happen to know that process service is different state to state, each state having coming up with their own service rules. It's all well and good to parade the Constitution around but one must realize that courts have come up with their own service rules and some of these rules keep someone acting on behalf of the court free from charges IF they are acting as agents of the court and they operate within the confines of the rules layed out for them. Is it fair? I don't know- every situation is different. Do some servers believe they are above the law? Probably. Should process service be done strictly by law enforcement officers? Probably, but how many areas in this country have understaffed and underfunded police departments? It's not realistic. It would probably also be best to make service rules uniform across the board, but I don't see that happening. But people need to realize that states and courts are allowed to create their own laws. Whether or not they are Constitutional is up to interpretation much of the time.

As far as state rules and the Constitution, if someone is acting as an agent of the court they are probably given limited status closely resembling that of a police officer in regards to trespassing. Much like contract law, it's probably like operating as an assignee or designee. At any rate, I've never been served but I'm certain that I wouldn't be happy if someone hopped my fence and I'm not sure how I'd react to such an action.

"If you research Ron Belec you will find that he has ties in LV Nevada the people defending him from Vegas are probably his Pals."

I don't know who Ron Belec is, sorry. I'm not defending anyone, as I don't know the details of his service history or charges. I just happen to know that process service is different state to state, each state having coming up with their own service rules. It's all well and good to parade the Constitution around but one must realize that courts have come up with their own service rules and some of these rules keep someone acting on behalf of the court free from charges IF they are acting as agents of the court and they operate within the confines of the rules layed out for them. Is it fair? I don't know- every situation is different. Do some servers believe they are above the law? Probably. Should process service be done strictly by law enforcement officers? Probably, but how many areas in this country have understaffed and underfunded police departments? It's not realistic. It would probably also be best to make service rules uniform across the board, but I don't see that happening. But people need to realize that states and courts are allowed to create their own laws. Whether or not they are Constitutional is up to interpretation much of the time.

As far as state rules and the Constitution, if someone is acting as an agent of the court they are probably given limited status closely resembling that of a police officer in regards to trespassing. Much like contract law, it's probably like operating as an assignee or designee. At any rate, I've never been served but I'm certain that I wouldn't be happy if someone hopped my fence and I'm not sure how I'd react to such an action.

Ron Belec. Let the readers know how you were able to get a $22,000 judgment given
to you.

You, a process server at the time earning $10 per service, testified at the Cauvin vs. Cauvin divorce trial. You lied. Then got paid.


It's that simple.

Ron Belec attempt to distort the truth and go back in time shows the lack of brains this man has.

If you visit court records. This man has CURRENT charges against himself and the others who are trying to frame Mr. Cauvin.

One word........C-O-N-S-P-I-R-A-C-Y!

THE CONSTITUTION
of the
UNITED STATES OF AMERICA

Bill of Rights

Amendment Two:the right of the people to keep and bear Arms shall not be infringed

Amendment Four:the right of the people to be secure in their person, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures shall not be violated:

ANY OFFICER OF PERSON WITHOUT CONSENT OF THE OWNER OR TENANT WHO ATTEMPTS TO ENTER THIS PROPERTY WITHOUT A PROPER WARRANT AS DESCRIBED BELOW WILL BE TREATED AS ANY OTHER INTRUDER WOULD ATTEMPTING TO TRESPASS, EXTORT, INJURE, OPPRESS, THREATEN, INTIMIDATE, OR IN ANY OTHER WAY JEOPARDIZE THE RIGHTS OF THE OWNERS OR TENANTS OF THIS PROPERTY

THE UNDERSIGNED WILL THEREFORE REFUSE TO PERMIT ANY SEARCH, AUDIT ASSESSMENT, OR INSPECTION WHATSOEVER OF THIS PROPERTY WITHOUT THE PRESENTATION OF A PROPER WARRANT DULY SIGNED AS DESCRIBED BY CONSTITUTIONAL AMENDMENT IV

AND NO WARRANT SHALL ISSUE BUT UPON PROBABLE CAUSE SUPPORTED BY OATH OR AFFIRMATION AND PARTICULARLY DESCRIBING THE PLACE TO BE SEARCHED AND THE PERSON OR THINGS TO BE SEIZED

VIOLATORS MAY NOT BE FINED MORE THAN $10,000 OR IMPRISONED NOT MORE THAN TEN YEARS OR BOTH USC TITLE 18 SEC 241 & 242

If you research Ron Belec you will find that he has ties in LV Nevada the people defending him from Vegas are probably his Pals.

Here is the story on how Wa. State law was changed.

In 1984 Seattle process server Bob Hoyden, armed with legal documents to serve on a defendant who was consciously avoiding service, effected service but in doing so passed by several No Trespassing signs. Although the defendant filed a complaint with the local police and prosecutor, they declined charges.

The district court judge, though, filed charges from the bench. Ironically, Bob was convicted on second degree trespassing charges by the same court that had issued the documents he was serving when he "trespassed".

Bob, with a friend and fellow process server Geoff Gese, met at the state capitol in Olympia on March 26th, 1985. Largely through their efforts, the present "trespass defense statute" we enjoy today was passed into law in 1986. The statute provides for an exemption from
prosecution for persons serving legal process who go onto another persons property.

The statute is found in RCW 9A.52.090(4): In any
prosecution under RCW 9A.52.070 and 9A.52.080, it is a
defense that:

The actor was attempting to serve legal process which includes any document required or allowed to be served upon persons or property, by any statute, rule, ordinance, regulation or court order, excluding delivery by the mails
of the United States. This defense applies only if the actor did not enter into a private residence or other building not open to the public and entry onto the premises was reasonable and necessary for service of legal process.
Bob and Geoff decided that they should try to start an organization of process servers. After inviting friends and associates in the industry and culling names from telephone books throughout the state, the first meeting was held at what was then the Red Lion Inn at SeaTac.WSPSA was officially established on December 7th, 1985,
with Bob Hoyden elected "founding" President.

Wa.State law does not SUPERSEDE the Constitution of the United States.

Average Citizen

Exactly correct

Court rules are never in conflict with the law of the land

Process Servers can and do things and acts that are not legal for others

Trespassing is just one on them

Ron Belec

Sorry, but all this talk about superseding laws, etc. caught my eye. As the courts are the entities concerned with summoning people/corporations and commanding (yes, it is a command, not a friendly request) appearances, they tend to be the entities creating rules regarding serving said summonses. Court rules detail who can be served, who does the serving, and how service will be done. These rules can be made per county, per circuit, per district, statewide... As an example, the Eighth Judicial District Court here in Nevada has created their very own rules and these rules are enforceable, period. They are to be followed and that is that- they aren't stepping on any toes and they expect their toes to be left alone, as well, as it were.

I question whether or not the person who posted about attending 2 years of law school is interpreting the information they gleaned from their classes correctly. As I said before, the courts decide who is competent and able to provide service, as they need agents and officers to notify people when they command their appearance. Because of this, the rules the courts have put into place regarding service are to be followed and are not considered any less enforceable than other laws. If they created rules that would simply be unenforceable the moment someone pointed to another statute, well, the rules/laws wouldn't be created in the first place.

The companies president has current criminal charges pending. Who wants to do business with the owner who can't keep out of trouble

All we have to do is give notice, which I did not know about And Collecting on this judgment has nothing to do with my company

RB

Last week Ron Belec fraudulently attempted to file a ex-parte order. King County no longer allows him or any of his attornies to file these orders because of his past fraudlent behavior.

Check out www.nwlegalsupport.com and (((Link Redacted)))

CLICK here to see why Rip-off Report, as a matter of policy, deleted either a phone number, link or e-mail address from this Report.

It is not valid service, however, if you do not show up, the DA may well issue a material witness warrant for you, if they think what you may have to say is important to their case.

Were that to happen, you would have a GREAT Civil case against the cop that served the original subpoena.

That is one reason Private Process Servers are in such high demand, we get the job done right.

Ron Belec

Do cops have different rules?

I plan on showing up if the prosecuter ever contacts me. I left a message at his office but no response. Date is coming up soon and no conference as of yet. Most likely they will wait to the last minute just to inconvenience me.

Do cops have different rules?

I plan on showing up if the prosecuter ever contacts me. I left a message at his office but no response. Date is coming up soon and no conference as of yet. Most likely they will wait to the last minute just to inconvenience me.

Do cops have different rules?

I plan on showing up if the prosecuter ever contacts me. I left a message at his office but no response. Date is coming up soon and no conference as of yet. Most likely they will wait to the last minute just to inconvenience me.

Do cops have different rules?

I plan on showing up if the prosecuter ever contacts me. I left a message at his office but no response. Date is coming up soon and no conference as of yet. Most likely they will wait to the last minute just to inconvenience me.

But then it is LE doing it and if you know about the subpoena they may well hold that it is valid.

It is best to show up in court anyway

Ron Belec

Now I see two process servers stating that slipping documents under a door is not a proper service. I guess when someone doesn't know the laws the server (the one here in Illinois in this case) can get away with doing a shabby job.

I tried to ask this question about a week ago and for some reason RR did not post. I'll try again....

I witnessed a crime last fall and moved since. The people at my former residence contacted me last week letting me know that I have been summoned to court to testify against a criminal. The guy who recieved the documents told the server I no longer live there however he would sign for them and get them to me.

Is this a proper service?

Again, process serving here in IL seems so easy.

That is more of import than any thing else

NO Way A Legal Process Server gets convicted of Trespass absent entering a residence or other building not open to the public.

Bypassing fences or locked gates is not Trespass for a LEGAL PROCESS SERVER in all 50 states

Ron Belec

Sir, the law is set forth by congress and the various state legislatures and other governmental bodies. For you to make such a statement is beyond belief. Court rules are just that, COURT RULES. Oh, btw, I am having the court in Garland County send you the evidence you asked for. And I would like to know what kind of legal training that you have recieved.

Court Rules are the law

Cite one case where a process server was actually convicted of trespass and I will cite milions that were not

Ron Belec

Court rules DO NOT supersede the law. If a process server DOES NOT FOLLOW the law in the state of Arkansas, they will go to jail and the case just might get thrown out. Which is why commissioned law enforcement personnel are used for MOST process serving in Arkansas. Oh, btw, I just talked to a friend of mine who is a circuit judge in Garland Co. Arkansas and she told me that IF the courts use a private citizen to serve papers, service must be done in a PUBLIC PLACE.

Oh fyi, Arkansas Law Enforcement Training Academy Class 98D. 100% conviction rate as a cop. Several post-grad classes in Constitutional Law and
the FBI search warrant and service class.

Oh, almost forgot.....five servers arrested for criminal trespass and one for assault.
ALL FOUND GUILTY!!!!!!

Court rules DO NOT supersede the law. If a process server DOES NOT FOLLOW the law in the state of Arkansas, they will go to jail and the case just might get thrown out. Which is why commissioned law enforcement personnel are used for MOST process serving in Arkansas. Oh, btw, I just talked to a friend of mine who is a circuit judge in Garland Co. Arkansas and she told me that IF the courts use a private citizen to serve papers, service must be done in a PUBLIC PLACE.

Oh fyi, Arkansas Law Enforcement Training Academy Class 98D. 100% conviction rate as a cop. Several post-grad classes in Constitutional Law and
the FBI search warrant and service class.

Oh, almost forgot.....five servers arrested for criminal trespass and one for assault.
ALL FOUND GUILTY!!!!!!

Court rules DO NOT supersede the law. If a process server DOES NOT FOLLOW the law in the state of Arkansas, they will go to jail and the case just might get thrown out. Which is why commissioned law enforcement personnel are used for MOST process serving in Arkansas. Oh, btw, I just talked to a friend of mine who is a circuit judge in Garland Co. Arkansas and she told me that IF the courts use a private citizen to serve papers, service must be done in a PUBLIC PLACE.

Oh fyi, Arkansas Law Enforcement Training Academy Class 98D. 100% conviction rate as a cop. Several post-grad classes in Constitutional Law and
the FBI search warrant and service class.

Oh, almost forgot.....five servers arrested for criminal trespass and one for assault.
ALL FOUND GUILTY!!!!!!

CR is Court Rules

Your Boss, The Law of the Land, get it

Ron Belec

Were you ever a cop in Arkansas? I was and attended two years of law school. What is this "CR" stuff? Try it in Arkansas and see what happens.

In Arkansas CR 4 (c) (2) requires that a Process Server be appointed by the court, so that makes them an Officer of the Court and not subject to charges of trespass unless he or she enters a private residence or other building not open to the public.

You will find that to be true in most all states

A debtor may not hide behind trespass laws to avoid legal action

Ron Belec

It is illegal for a non-police server to trespass to serve papers in the state of Arkansas. Don't try to tell me the law in a state that you have never lived in. And btw, I was a cop in that state.

In every state of the Union a properly licensed and or registered Legal Process Server may trespass to get the papers served.

In mayny states a Process Server is an Officer of the court and has many rights that you just do not understand.

In some states, if the subject does not open the door, we may just post the documents on the door. In other states, if the subjust lives in a gated area or high secutity building we may serve the guard at the gate. While in other states if we cannot serve the subject the plantiff must publish the summons, which is very expensive to do, and why clients are willing to pay us more to get the job done

Ron Belec

To Mr. Belec...
I don't know you but if you climb over a locked gate in Arkansas, you are guilty of the crime of "breaking OR entering." There is no such thing as "breaking and entering" in the state of Arkansas. As I said before, cops serve papers in Arkansas most of the time. There are some judges that use private parties to serve papers but the server knows that they are doing so AT THEIR OWN RISK! And it is recommended that service not be at the home address.

It's a good thing that I don't live in Washington.

I also have seen several of these posts (and yes, not everyone tells the whole story). I do not know ANY of these people. I am not a server. I am just a logical, common sense, reasonable sort of person. That being said, while I can not say whether these complaints are accurate, or innacurate, if you read the lengths posted above and elsewhere to AVOID being served, why would you expect a server to have to do any less in order to do their job. They have no personal stakes in it. It is their job. In how many cases is the server listed as the plaintiff? I believe that if the person being served is intent on going to extrordinary lengths to avoid being served, it is reasonable to expect the server to go to the same lengths. If you don't want to end up in this situation, take the dang papers! Not taking them doesn't make the situation go away, and certainly doesn't seem to uncomplicate things, or make things easier. If you believe that the other party is wrong, fight it in court, don't fight the server, they have NOTHING to do with it. In my mind, a server is something like your mailman who only delivers your legal documents to and from you. So, it is JUST as silly to put a server through this, as it would be a mail carrier. And then it is the SERVER who is acting unreasonably? Accept the responsiblility for the consequenses of your own actions folks. Even if the server is a bit 'above and beyond', it wouldn't be happening if you just took the papers they are required to give you.

I also have seen several of these posts (and yes, not everyone tells the whole story). I do not know ANY of these people. I am not a server. I am just a logical, common sense, reasonable sort of person. That being said, while I can not say whether these complaints are accurate, or innacurate, if you read the lengths posted above and elsewhere to AVOID being served, why would you expect a server to have to do any less in order to do their job. They have no personal stakes in it. It is their job. In how many cases is the server listed as the plaintiff? I believe that if the person being served is intent on going to extrordinary lengths to avoid being served, it is reasonable to expect the server to go to the same lengths. If you don't want to end up in this situation, take the dang papers! Not taking them doesn't make the situation go away, and certainly doesn't seem to uncomplicate things, or make things easier. If you believe that the other party is wrong, fight it in court, don't fight the server, they have NOTHING to do with it. In my mind, a server is something like your mailman who only delivers your legal documents to and from you. So, it is JUST as silly to put a server through this, as it would be a mail carrier. And then it is the SERVER who is acting unreasonably? Accept the responsiblility for the consequenses of your own actions folks. Even if the server is a bit 'above and beyond', it wouldn't be happening if you just took the papers they are required to give you.

I also have seen several of these posts (and yes, not everyone tells the whole story). I do not know ANY of these people. I am not a server. I am just a logical, common sense, reasonable sort of person. That being said, while I can not say whether these complaints are accurate, or innacurate, if you read the lengths posted above and elsewhere to AVOID being served, why would you expect a server to have to do any less in order to do their job. They have no personal stakes in it. It is their job. In how many cases is the server listed as the plaintiff? I believe that if the person being served is intent on going to extrordinary lengths to avoid being served, it is reasonable to expect the server to go to the same lengths. If you don't want to end up in this situation, take the dang papers! Not taking them doesn't make the situation go away, and certainly doesn't seem to uncomplicate things, or make things easier. If you believe that the other party is wrong, fight it in court, don't fight the server, they have NOTHING to do with it. In my mind, a server is something like your mailman who only delivers your legal documents to and from you. So, it is JUST as silly to put a server through this, as it would be a mail carrier. And then it is the SERVER who is acting unreasonably? Accept the responsiblility for the consequenses of your own actions folks. Even if the server is a bit 'above and beyond', it wouldn't be happening if you just took the papers they are required to give you.

I also have seen several of these posts (and yes, not everyone tells the whole story). I do not know ANY of these people. I am not a server. I am just a logical, common sense, reasonable sort of person. That being said, while I can not say whether these complaints are accurate, or innacurate, if you read the lengths posted above and elsewhere to AVOID being served, why would you expect a server to have to do any less in order to do their job. They have no personal stakes in it. It is their job. In how many cases is the server listed as the plaintiff? I believe that if the person being served is intent on going to extrordinary lengths to avoid being served, it is reasonable to expect the server to go to the same lengths. If you don't want to end up in this situation, take the dang papers! Not taking them doesn't make the situation go away, and certainly doesn't seem to uncomplicate things, or make things easier. If you believe that the other party is wrong, fight it in court, don't fight the server, they have NOTHING to do with it. In my mind, a server is something like your mailman who only delivers your legal documents to and from you. So, it is JUST as silly to put a server through this, as it would be a mail carrier. And then it is the SERVER who is acting unreasonably? Accept the responsiblility for the consequenses of your own actions folks. Even if the server is a bit 'above and beyond', it wouldn't be happening if you just took the papers they are required to give you.

At no time was my process server actually in the garage, she was standing outside the garage

Never, not once, have I said it was OK to enter into a private residence or building to serve process.

Yes, we can climb over locked gates to serve process
Yes, we can, at the clients expense, just wait for the subject to come or go, rather than climb the fence

Were you the client that had to pay for this service, which would you want?

Ron Belec

I have read several of these posts and will say this...it is a good thing that you work in Washington because this type of crap wouldn't fly here in Texas or Arkansas where I am from. I used to serve papers, first as a cop and then as a PI. The first thing that we were taught was to serve someone in a public place. If a server came into a garage here in Texas, they would get shot.

I know nothing about you or your company but it sounds like you believe that you are above the law.

By the way Ron Belec state law DOES NOT supersede the Constitution of United States of America, Pal

Average Citizen

By the way Ron Belec state law DOES NOT supersede the Constitution of United States of America, Pal

Average Citizen

By the way Ron Belec state law DOES NOT supersede the Constitution of United States of America, Pal

Average Citizen

Mr Belec first I want to say I don't know you nor do I have an axe to grind with you.

After putting your name into the search on this website then googling your name I must say I'm glad I do not know you. If an American could be impeached you would get my vote. You are not worthy to be called an American.

You and your ways walk all over the Constitution of the United States. You are proud that you have succeeded in being able to trespass on peoples rights. You brag about climbing over locked gates and jumping fences to serve civil papers on private property. It may be the law but that does not make it right. You are corrupt.

You are the kind of person that would do his own mother in to make a buck. I see someone is trying to start a coalition against you. I hope they succeed.

Maybe someone should sue the person that hired you to do their dirty work, that could put a dent in your business.

The people that are posting comments defending you are people that you have worked for or with remember I do not know you nor have I ever had civil papers served on me by you or yours. I'm just a good judge of character and you have NONE. People should think twice before being associated with you, you could be bad for business.

Average Citizen.

I was a process server for many years. Your comment about catching more flies with honey caught my eye. My comment is this. There is the way the world works and the way it SHOULD work. It would be very nice if everyone being served legal documents would cooperate, be civil and just take them. That is how the world should work. BUT this is not many times the case. Let us face the fact that not every one is "Joe Nice guy" and accepts service. Most people know when they are going to be served, it's not a big surprise. No one likes to be served, and there is a long list of these people that will do every thing they can to avoid being served.

I personally have been pushed, had the police called, threatened with bodily harm, had my family threatened, had a dog come after me at the direction of the owner. I had one man ram my car because I served him and chased down the freeway by someone I served. It is not a nice thing to have a water hose wet you down in mid winter, have some 250 pound person come at you with fists raised.

Being a process server is not an easy profession. You are viewed as the scum of the earth. We do our jobs at potential risk to ourselves. It is a process that once was done by law enforcement. It is part of the legal system. We do a job that many would never consider doing. Many of the people we serve are not people you would want to associate with or invite to your next social function.

I managed process servers and always instructed them to be polite and no matter what the person we were serving said or did, they were to maintain a level of calm, dignity and respect. My servers were instructed that they must have real air space between themselves and the person they were serving. Slipping documents under the door is not proper service even if we could see the person in through the window. Restraining orders must be personal service only.

I do not know if you are a process server but I assure you that honey does not always work. Don't I wish it did in some cases but this is the way the world works, not the way it should work.

Process servers provide a much needed function to keep the legal process in motion. We are not the bad people and while I will not speak for all Process Servers we do our job as professionals.

I have known Ron Belec for over 15 years both personally and professionaly. His instructions were to always attempt service within the confines of the laws. You might not like him or what his company does but I assure you that if you are a person that needs legal papers served this is the man you want.

Linda
Everett WA.

I was a process server for many years. Your comment about catching more flies with honey caught my eye. My comment is this. There is the way the world works and the way it SHOULD work. It would be very nice if everyone being served legal documents would cooperate, be civil and just take them. That is how the world should work. BUT this is not many times the case. Let us face the fact that not every one is "Joe Nice guy" and accepts service. Most people know when they are going to be served, it's not a big surprise. No one likes to be served, and there is a long list of these people that will do every thing they can to avoid being served.

I personally have been pushed, had the police called, threatened with bodily harm, had my family threatened, had a dog come after me at the direction of the owner. I had one man ram my car because I served him and chased down the freeway by someone I served. It is not a nice thing to have a water hose wet you down in mid winter, have some 250 pound person come at you with fists raised.

Being a process server is not an easy profession. You are viewed as the scum of the earth. We do our jobs at potential risk to ourselves. It is a process that once was done by law enforcement. It is part of the legal system. We do a job that many would never consider doing. Many of the people we serve are not people you would want to associate with or invite to your next social function.

I managed process servers and always instructed them to be polite and no matter what the person we were serving said or did, they were to maintain a level of calm, dignity and respect. My servers were instructed that they must have real air space between themselves and the person they were serving. Slipping documents under the door is not proper service even if we could see the person in through the window. Restraining orders must be personal service only.

I do not know if you are a process server but I assure you that honey does not always work. Don't I wish it did in some cases but this is the way the world works, not the way it should work.

Process servers provide a much needed function to keep the legal process in motion. We are not the bad people and while I will not speak for all Process Servers we do our job as professionals.

I have known Ron Belec for over 15 years both personally and professionaly. His instructions were to always attempt service within the confines of the laws. You might not like him or what his company does but I assure you that if you are a person that needs legal papers served this is the man you want.

Linda
Everett WA.

I was a process server for many years. Your comment about catching more flies with honey caught my eye. My comment is this. There is the way the world works and the way it SHOULD work. It would be very nice if everyone being served legal documents would cooperate, be civil and just take them. That is how the world should work. BUT this is not many times the case. Let us face the fact that not every one is "Joe Nice guy" and accepts service. Most people know when they are going to be served, it's not a big surprise. No one likes to be served, and there is a long list of these people that will do every thing they can to avoid being served.

I personally have been pushed, had the police called, threatened with bodily harm, had my family threatened, had a dog come after me at the direction of the owner. I had one man ram my car because I served him and chased down the freeway by someone I served. It is not a nice thing to have a water hose wet you down in mid winter, have some 250 pound person come at you with fists raised.

Being a process server is not an easy profession. You are viewed as the scum of the earth. We do our jobs at potential risk to ourselves. It is a process that once was done by law enforcement. It is part of the legal system. We do a job that many would never consider doing. Many of the people we serve are not people you would want to associate with or invite to your next social function.

I managed process servers and always instructed them to be polite and no matter what the person we were serving said or did, they were to maintain a level of calm, dignity and respect. My servers were instructed that they must have real air space between themselves and the person they were serving. Slipping documents under the door is not proper service even if we could see the person in through the window. Restraining orders must be personal service only.

I do not know if you are a process server but I assure you that honey does not always work. Don't I wish it did in some cases but this is the way the world works, not the way it should work.

Process servers provide a much needed function to keep the legal process in motion. We are not the bad people and while I will not speak for all Process Servers we do our job as professionals.

I have known Ron Belec for over 15 years both personally and professionaly. His instructions were to always attempt service within the confines of the laws. You might not like him or what his company does but I assure you that if you are a person that needs legal papers served this is the man you want.

Linda
Everett WA.

That is not valid service in any state, in fact, it is called gutter service, and will get the server and the agency sued.

Many times a Legal Process Server must take extra effort to accomplish Personal Service which is required in most all matters in all the courts of the US

Personal Service means that the server, but for the avoidance of the person being served, could have handed the documents to them, in which case the server may just drop them at their feet, throw the documents towards them as the run away, or place them on the window of the vehicle as the defendant is attempting to flee (And run over the process server)

Ron Belec

A good process server doesn't have to go to these lengths to serve papers.

I agree that the process server should not be considered the "bad guy" for doing his/her job however I would expect they would know how to get the job done without all of the nonsense listed above. (you catch more flies with honey)

I don't know about Washington but here in Illinois a process server can slip the papers under the door and have a neighbor sign a witness statement stating that the papers were delivered.

You don't hear of this nonsense in Illinois because of this. At least I never do.

(BTW) I posted a comment on another thread before reading this one. Ignore, the complaintant didn't explain who the people were that were harrassing her. I thought she was indicating that the process servers were pimps and she was a disgruntled employee.

Better read the law

A Legal Process Server cannot be charged with trespass unless he or she enters a residence or other building not open to the public

As for climbing over fences, used to do it all the time, however, that is a young mans game, at my age I no longer do that

Ron Belec

I agree that your job can be tough but your attitude stinks. I think someone should challenge your practices in a court of law. For some reason you believe that you are totally immune from trespassing laws. I watched someone in your profession climb over a neighbors locked gate to serve civil papers. In my opinion that is wrong wrong wrong. But I would like to see them try it again as the neighbor now has an attack guard dog. One day you'll pay the price for your attitude about trespassing. And I will be there saying HA HA Ha now THAT is funny.

I've known Ron Belic for several years now, and he gets the job done. It's not an easy job to do; people evade Servers anyway they can, then complain when the Process Servers have to go to extremes to serve the papers.

Fact is, it takes more than knocking on ones door and handing them papers to get the job done, and I'm sure Ron wished it could be that easy. It's not likely he would have someone served twice with the same papers, it accomplishes nothing and cost money.

Perhaps this writer believed that since she had a copy of the docs already, there was no need to serve them to her. This is untrue. Also, there would have been no way for the person to know they were being served docs they already had without first seeing them. Thus avoiding the receipt of the docs based on this claim is without merit. If your being served, just take the papers, its not going to go away. If you already have the same papers, so what, now you have an extra set.

Just because ones insurance company deny's a claim, doesn't mean you aren't still liable. It only means you aren't covered for that type of claim, or they don't care to pay it. Sue your insurance company, don't run down the Server.

Blocking the server in and preventing her from leaving, is called Kidnapping. Ask OJ how that works.

I am the owner of North West Legal Support. We provide legal support services to law firms, attorneys, and pro se clients. We offer Messenger service, legal process serving and private investigations.

All of our process servers are licensed, registered with the state of Washington and we are insured for well over $1 M, so if you think we did you wrong, hire an attorney and sue us.

We are the Messengers! We know nothing about the case, nothing at all. Nor do we want to know. You, on the other hand, seem to know a great deal about the matter.

Why did you avoid service of process? Did you think the plaintiff was going to go away if you just stuck your head in the cat box?

We are not party to the action, we only serve the Legal Process. And, no! It is not trespass for a Legal Process Server to be on private property to serve a person with legal documents. It is also legal to make as many calls as required to make contact in order to serve the courts papers.

Really, it would have been so simple and would not have required the extra efforts and cost to the plaintiff, had you not been attempting to avoid the several Process Servers we sent to serve you. That is our job.

Here is the law in Washington regarding trespass and Legal Process Servers, pay attention to number 4

Ron Belec

RCWs > Title 9A > Chapter 9A.52 > Section 9A.52.090

9A.52.080 > 9A.52.095

RCW 9A.52.090
Criminal trespass Defenses.


In any prosecution under RCW 9A.52.070 and 9A.52.080, it is a defense that:

(1) A building involved in an offense under RCW 9A.52.070 was abandoned; or

(2) The premises were at the time open to members of the public and the actor complied with all lawful conditions imposed on access to or remaining in the premises; or

(3) The actor reasonably believed that the owner of the premises, or other person empowered to license access thereto, would have licensed him to enter or remain; or

(4) The actor was attempting to serve legal process which includes any document required or allowed to be served upon persons or property, by any statute, rule, ordinance, regulation, or court order, excluding delivery by the mails of the United States. This defense applies only if the actor did not enter into a private residence or other building not open to the public and the entry onto the premises was reasonable and necessary for service of the legal process.

[1986 c 219 2; 1975 1st ex.s. c 260 9A.52.090.]