Sanford Brown Institute Ultrasound Diagnostic Center Waste of time and money, Unqualified teachers, low quality students and faculty, lies, no follow through, no consistency, waste of time, anyone who wants to go here can, no security, no accountability Trevose, Philadelphia Pennsylvania
The funny thing about this school is that before I even decided to go here I had asked someone who went there before me what is it like? and I remember so vividly her saying don't go there I didn't understand why, I just figured maybe it would be a different experience since she was going at night and I was about to be a full time day student.
BUT she was so right. It doesn't matter if you go during the day, night or weekend you will get the same treatment and that is just that you are a complete number to this school.
I knew it early on even in the admissions process. The admissions rep was so pushy I remember leaving that day and thinking, did I just sign up for this school? they say anything to get you to sign on the dotted line. I remember my rep was like well how soon can you start and I said well I would need a little time to make sure I am ready to be back in school his response to me was well a new class starts on Monday, can you do that? We were having this discussion on a Wednesday evening!!! But I went along with it, it sounded all so good that I didn't want to have to wait till the next classes started which I was told was every 3 months, when actually they start every five weeks.
From the very first day of class I knew early on that it was a mistake. My first class was scheduled to start at 8 am. My teacher didn't even show up until 20 after 8 with no reason for her tardiness. It was just so normal to her it seemed.
I don't even remember what we did the 1st day but I can tell you it was probably sitting there waiting for her while she went to go make copies or whatever her reason for leaving the room was. This behavior continued through out the 9-month process. Teachers are late, they don't show up, they talk to you about gossip about the school, they are unqualified. The list is endless.
And the classes, the classes are suppose to train you to be in the medical field and feel good and confidant. But every class no matter what the subject matter is is only 5 weeks long. You have certain classes like computer applications that is so easy that you finish the material in the 1st week, and then have 4 weeks of just sitting there killing time until your next waste of time class. But the problem is, is that other classes that most people need more help in like
Venipuncture/hematology/phlebotomy that class is only 5 weeks long as well, and EKG's the same thing. There is no way that in a class of 30 people with a retard for a teacher that you can learn how to draw blood from a REAL LIVE PERSON in the field and run an EKG on a possible heart condition patient in 5 weeks, yet you can just breeze right through. The tests are open book, the finals are a joke, you pretty much have to teach yourself. So, then why am I paying $12,000 to teach myself.
There are fights between teachers and students. Students and teachers, Admissions and teachers it's all just one big mess.
Any time you complain it doesn't get taken care of. The 2nd week our class all decided that something just wasn't right. This wasn't turning out like we expected. We never got homework, we never learned a full 2 hours of the subject that was suppose to be taught to us. So we went to administration, and they took time out of their day and sat and talked with us. Writing down all of our concerns, assuring us they would rectify the problem and come back to us with the results. IT NEVER HAPPENED.
You can breeze through and get all A's without so much as attending class, paying attention, studying, doing your homework, missing tests. It was like kinder care.
I would advise anyone who is thinking about going here to NOT GO Find another school or try and go to college. These trade schools just sweep you trough the process and don't really care what you learn.
Everyday it is something new, bomb threats, stolen property, teacher gossip, waiting for your teacher, students doing drugs and stealing supplies, learning that the test you were suppose to have that day isn't happening that day, inept substitute teachers, rules that apply one day and don't apply the next day, and the admission rep who lured you in, I guarantee after 3 months of you being at that school you wont see him or her anymore, they just disappear. Maybe because they know that the person they lured in is going to come to them for answers.
Someone told me not to go here and I didn't listen, listen to me, and don't go. And if you are from around Bucks County/Philadelphia just go to a community college. It will be worth it.
And in other news: this is a report about CEC, which is the parent company of Sanford Brown. The story ran on CBS news (60 minutes) google it yourself if you don't believe me!
(CBS) Are you interested in a new career? Are you looking for specialized training and a high-paying job in computers, fashion or health care? Well, a lot of people must be, because companies selling that dream, the for-profit career colleges, are one of the fastest growing area in the field of education.
It's a multi-billion dollar business with most of the revenues guaranteed by the federal government, and until recently the industry was the darling of Wall Street.
Now, it's under scrutiny, with one of the biggest players facing allegations that it deceived investors, the federal government, and students, who say they've been taught a very expensive lesson. Correspondent Steve Kroft reports.
If you've ever watched daytime TV, you've probably seen one of Career Education Corporation's ads offering students a brand-new life.
Ever think you could be part of this? With the right training, you can!
That one was for the Katharine Gibbs schools, which were bought by Career Education Corporation in 1997, and make up just a small part of its scholastic empire.
A year ago, CEC was one the hottest stocks on the NASDAQ exchange, with five years of record growth and $1 billion in annual revenue. It comes from nearly 100,000 students at 82 different campuses, taking classes in everything from computer animation to the culinary arts.
Brooks College in Long Beach, Calif., offers training in fashion and design, but its graduates have a special nickname for their alma mater: Crooks College.
Cuz they robbed us, says one graduate.
Everything was a lie, says another.
What was the biggest lie?
Job placement -- 98 percent job placement, several graduates said. They said, like, starting $30,000 a year, $30,000 or more.
Brooke Shoelberg, Chanee Thurston, and Amanda Harris enrolled to study fashion merchandising after the school signed them up for tens of thousands of dollars in student loans, and showed them videos promising to help them get jobs with companies like Giorgio Armani.
Did Brooks College find any of them a job? No, they said.
Did it make an attempt to find them a job? Again, they said no. The school declined to comment, but 60 Minutes knows that all three women graduated near the top of their classes. A year later, none had been able to find the kind of job she was supposedly trained for.
Brooke was managing a telephone store; Amanda was unemployed; and Chanee was selling T-shirts. All of them went heavily into debt to get a two-year degree they now believe has little value.
The school has no credibility with the fashion industry, whatsoever, says Thurston.
Complaints, laid out in a number of lawsuits against CEC by former students, investors, and employees, are now under investigation by the Justice Department and the Securities and Exchange Commission.
The lawsuits and the investigations were cited by CEC as the reason for declining a request by 60 Minutes for an on-camera interview.
But there were plenty of other people willing to talk on-camera. One man, who wore sunglasses and a visor, said, I am completely embarrassed that I ever worked at Brooks College or for CEC.
This man, along with two of his former colleagues, Barry Ross and Eric Shannon, used to work at Brooks College. They say there were some dedicated teachers there, but that the administration was more interested in making money than in educating students.
Ross' title was admissions representative. But Shannon says we were really sales people.
Selling the dream, basically, says Ross.
We're selling you that you're gonna have a 95 percent chance that you are gonna have a job paying $35,000 to $40,000 a year by the time they are done in 18 months, says Shannon. We later found out it's not true at all.
Yeah, it wasn't true at all, says Ross.
According to an evaluation report from the Western Association of Schools and Colleges, Only about 38 percent of brooks students ever finish the program, and the average starting salary for all graduates is less than $11 dollars per hour.
The admission counselors told 60 Minutes they were expected to enroll three high school graduates a week, regardless of their ability to complete the coursework. And if they didn't meet those quotas, they were out of a job, which is what the man in sunglasses says happened to him. They all say the pressure produced some very aggressive sales tactics.
In that way, the job was a lot like a used-car lot, because if I couldn't close you, my boss would come in, try to close you, says Shannon.
The enrollment fee was $50. You need three things, says the man in sunglasses. You need $50, a pulse, and you've got to be able to sign your name. That's about it.
You have to sign your name to a government loan form. The government-backed student loans are crucial to the entire industry.
In 2003, they made up nearly 60 percent of CEC's revenues. And in order to be eligible for that money, CEC is required to provide students with accurate information about job placement.
Would CEC exist if it weren't for government loans?
I don't believe that they would be a $1 billion company in 10 years, if it weren't for the federal government loan programs, says Tami Hanson, who was once the national manager in charge of student placement for all of Career Education Corporation's campuses in the United States.
Hanson, who was fired a few months ago, was one of more than 50 current or former employees with whom 60 Minutes spoke at more than a dozen schools. All had variations of the same story.
What was the corporate culture like?
All about the numbers, all about the numbers, says Hanson. Getting students enrolled, getting students in the seats. Keeping students in the seats, getting them passed enough to graduate, and then trying to get them any job we could.
But getting students any job they could did not necessarily mean getting them jobs they were trained for. And she says a job placement could mean just about almost anything.
It may be that, you know, they end up placing them folding T-shirts at the Gap at a fashion, as a fashion grad -- which is fine, but not what they were promised in the beginning, says Hanson.
And a job they could've gotten without paying $15,000 or $30,000, says Kroft.
Actually, it is more like $30,00 $60,000 and $80,000 depending on the program, says Hanson.
Hanson says the quality of education varies from school to school, and that there are some very good programs and highly motivated students who find successful careers. But she says too many students simply don't have the aptitude or the skills necessary to succeed in class or the workplace.
They were not prepared, but at the same time, the instructors were really pressured to pass them through that class to keep them in school, says Hanson.
So CEC could keep collecting the government money? So they could keep the revenue, says Hanson.
CEC has denied these and other allegations in response to various lawsuits, and it says it's made compliance with government regulations and investigating complaints a top priority.
Chairman John Larson wrote 60 Minutes saying, We'll investigate the situations cited in your report and take appropriate corrective action as violations are identified.
And it did not take long to find a violation. To see how the admissions process works, 60 Minutes Associate Producer Jennifer MacDonald, armed with a hidden camera, went to a number of CEC schools in the New York area.
At the Katharine Gibbs School, she began by asking about graduation rates. She was told that 89 percent graduated.
But that wasn't even close. According to the Department of Education's most recent figures from 2003, this school's graduation rate was 29 percent not 89 percent, a difference of 60 points. Federal regulations require that prospective students be given the official statistics in writing prior to enrollment and the admission representative seemed ready to sign MacDonald up.
When MacDonald wanted to know about a career in fashion, this is what she was told: These jobs pay a lot of money. You're looking at, if you take this craft and be very serious about it, you can make anywhere from hundreds of thousands to if you go up to be a designer.
But not everything at Career Education Corporation is fashion or business. Its Sanford Brown Institutes prepare students for careers in health care; training ultrasound and cardiovascular technicians; and medical and surgical assistants.
The admission representative told the associate producer that the school was highly selective. So MacDonald did everything she could to disqualify herself for admission to become a medical assistant, a nine-month program that costs almost $13,000 prepares students for entry-level positions.
When lousy grades and prior drug use weren't enough to get her rejected, she tried a different approach. She told them she had a problem with blood. The representative told her that 98 percent of our students have a problem with blood. The first day of the module, they don't hand you a syringe and say, 'Go for it.'
The school did require the associate producer to take an admission test. She intentionally flunked it, getting just 7 out of 50 questions correct. But the school allowed her to take another test with different questions. This time, the admission representative said she had doubled her score to 14 out of 50, and that was just good enough to qualify for admission.
Although it was easy to get in, all the counselors told MacDonald she would have to work hard and attend class to complete the course. But Hanson says what CEC is most interested in is tuition.
They want to say that the student comes first, but I think it becomes obvious to anybody that works in the school, that the student does not come first, says Hanson.
Where does the student come? The student comes with how many dollar signs are attached to them. And anything after that is secondary, says Hanson.
CEC is not the only publicly traded career-school operator in trouble with the federal government. Last fall, the Department of Education handed out its largest fine ever -- $9.8 million dollars to the Apollo Group and its University of Phoenix for admitting unqualified students to boost enrollment.
And a year ago, federal agents raided the headquarters and 10 campuses of ITT Educational Services, investigating charges of falsified grades and attendance records.
Nick Glakas is president of the Career College Association, a Washington lobbying group that represents 1,100 career colleges in the United States.
This is not an industrywide problem. And let me address the whole question of being under investigation, says Glakas. Allegations from a legal standpoint are not facts and are not evidence.
Glakas says career colleges are a passport into the middle class for millions of people, a gateway to the American dream.
Twenty-five percent of our students are working adults. Fifty percent are minority. Seventy percent are the first in their family to go to college. This is an extraordinary success story, says Glakas.
Rep. Maxine Waters, who represents the poorest district in Los Angeles, isn't so sure. For the past 15 years, she's been the industry's most persistent critic.
I have seen young person after young person who simply wanted to get trained for a trade, for a job, get ripped off, says Waters.
Why hasn't anything been done? These private post-secondary schools are very sophisticated in its politics, and they actually have members of Congress who protect them, she says.
Over the past two years, career colleges and lending institutions that benefit from government-backed student loans handed out more than a million dollars in campaign contributions to members of the House Education Committee. Half of that money went to the committee's two ranking members: Chairman John Boehner of Ohio and Buck McKeon of California. Both declined requests for interviews.
As for the sales reps whom 60 Minutes spoke with, Barry Ross has filed a discrimination lawsuit against CEC. Eric Shannon now works in finance, and the young man is the sunglasses is selling cars.
And the Brooks College graduates? They feel betrayed. They were sold the idea that an investment in education would change their lives. This investment did, but not in the way they were promised.
My mother told me to declare bankruptcy and I'm only 21, says Thurston. She said it'll go away in 10 years so when I'm 31 I can start my life all over.
But we are all students that did everything we were supposed to, we gave it our all, says Amanda Harris. And we're still jobless. You know, like, it doesn't make sense.