USMC USMC dishonorable, thieves!! proud servicemember in the United States Air Force stationed in Iraq Lejune North Carolina

OMG this is BY FAR the funniest post I have read on this sight for sure. Herman, I think you are certifiably INSANE!!!!!!!! You think the airforces small 6 weeks of basic training is grueling?????? haahahahahahahahahaha You think the airforce is more of a real man than a MARINE? are you CRAZY or just stupid?  I think you have forgotten that the ARMY owns you. EVerytime I've been deployed to iRaq or Afghan, I have only seen a handlful of AF airman doing anything besides checking ID cards to access the chowhalls, and that was in the GREENZONE mind you. ha haha we have 1 airforce guy attached per bat. to monitor air raids, and from my experience I've seen way more army warrant officers flyin heli's then airforce b/c predator was too d**n scared to go out in sand storms. Get your facts straight you lil punk a$$ chicken sh%t! You wrote your senator about the soft cap issue? Do you really have that much time on your hands in "combat" to complain about a SOFT CAP??????? Whoever let you in the military should be jailed immediately!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  How dare you say that you are better than the MARINES!!!!!! Those men and women are DYING and in combat every d**n day while you friggin FOBBITS sit around in air conditioning for 3-4 months deployment. If I ever saw you I'd kick your lil punk a$$, and I'm a female and I'd mess you up

Wow, this truly is a sad day for me to see such dishonor posted up on the internet for the entire world to see by one of our countries own soldiers. We are a nation, a strong nation at that. The ones who fight for our country, let it be Air force, Marines, Navy, Army or Coast Guard are all heroes in my book. Anyone who takes the step from civilian to soldier should be respected regardless of what branch. I come from a long line of military and am a Marine. I don't know what they teach you in the Air Force but we are all here for the same purpose, to protect our country. I am very proud of the time I served, and yes I had 3 tours to Iraq. While on the front line I witnessed many of my brothers fall. Some I knew well, some not so well. But they were my brothers and I watched may sacrifice their lives for our country. I would treat you the same way if we were in combat together, as a brother. I know there's rivalry between the branches, some think they're better than others, maybe its true, and maybe its not. But we are Americans all fighting for the same caus. Freedom... Please keep that in mind next time you start ranting on a national forum about how much better you are than us Marines. Also keep in mind that "our" government signs both of our checks. Thus, making them our employer. That means we both work for the same company; The USA. Should I not be proud that I served an honorable 8 years for my country just because I'm a Marine? I think youd be the only one to say no if you think I shouldn't. Be safe over there and I hope you never see or go through what I did. God Bless you and all of the soldiers serving or that have served.

I am retired Air Force and also proudly served in the US Army. I have 2 children one in the AF the other in Iraq in the USMC and they are in their late teens/early 20's and they have far more mature conversation than the individual that started this thread. YOU my friend do not have enough to do in the AF if you have time to post crap like this on the net. It doesn't matter if your active duty AF or Coast Guard Reserve the commitment is there and 99% serve with pride. I served with pride and when I see stuff like this I hide in shame that someone actually posted this. I would love to know who your supervisor is.

To the Airman;

As most know the Air Force is a infant compaired to the legecy of the Marines, Navy, and Army. Having said this it should be understood that the Marines are part of the U.S. Navy and that is the origin of the cap they wear. This in turn means that it is the Air Force that took the design for their own and before anyone makes a smear comment of true combat arms they should look in their own back yard.

MY MISINFORMED YOUNG AIRMAN. GET YOUR HISTORY STRAIGHT. AS A RETIRED INFANTRY MARINE AND A PREVIOUS AIRMAN(81150) , I CAN ATTEST THAT YOUR SO CALLED TRAINING IS IN NEED OF EXAMINATION. LACKLAND, CAMP BULLIS, AND WHERE EVER THE TRAINING IS NOW CAN, AND WILL NEVER COMPARE TO THE INTENSITY THE MARINES DEMAND. FIRST OF ALL LETS DISCUSS THE (COVER) HAT. THE UNITED STATES MARINES HAS BEEN WEARING THIS COVER LONGER THAN THE USAF HAS BEEN AN ORGANIZATION. SECONDLY. I AM HUGELY PROUD THAT YOU ARE SO MOTIVATED AND PROUD OF THE UNIT YOU SERVE WITH. HOWEVER, THE COMBAT TRAINING A BASIC MARINE UNDERGOES DWARFS THE AMOUNT OF TRAINING YOU HAVE AND MOST PROBABLY WILL EVER RECEIVE. UNLESS YOU APPLY TO PARA-RESCUE OR COMBAT CONTROL TEAMS YOUR TRAINING WILL NEVER COME CLOSE.

SECONDLY- MARINES, AIRMEN WHOEVER. ARE ALL AMERICAN WARRIORS IN A BATTLE OF GREATER PROPORTIONS THAN WE WANT TO ACKNOWLEDGE. THIS IS A BATTLE OF GOOD VERSES EVIL. KEEP YPUR HEAD IN THE FIGHT AND NOT ON PETTY ISSUES.

LASTLY- I AM PROUD OF MY SERVICE IN THE USAF, HOWEVER I REFER TO MYSELF AS A MARINE STILL TODAY. WOULD YOU LIKE TO KNOW THE DIFFERENCE?

A MARINE WILL ALWAYS BE A MARINE, HE OR SHE WILL RESPOND "I AM A MARINE" REGARDLESS IF THEY ARE 18 OR 75. THE REST OF THE BRANCHES REFER TO THEMSELVES AS FORMER, OR "I WAS IN THE ..."

WHY IS THAT? BECAUSE OF THEY TEACH HISTORY HERMANN. GET TO KNOW YOUR HISTORY.

MY MARINE CORPS CAME ALIVE, NOVEMBER 10. 1775. WE HAVE AND WILL BE AMERICAS PREMIER FIGHTING FORCE. SECOND TO NONE, AND OUR HISTORY REFLECTS THIS. AS A COMBAT DECORATED MARINE VETERAN. I AM PROUD OF YOU ALL. STAY MOTIVATED HERMANN. GET FOCUSED ON THE REAL ENEMY. GOD BLESS YOU ALL.

You sir are a disgrace to the military in general. You are mad because the Marine Corps has a uniform item that is similar to one you wear? How trivial and immature can you be? To call the Marines in general copycats or unoriginal is pretty interesting considering we have been in existence 150 years longer than you.... but hey, you don't hear us calling you copycats for wanting to play cowboys and indians do you?

did you know that we also wear tshirts and underwear underneath our cammies? well we do. but i suppose you'll cry about that too because we arent original. oh, and we also use the M16. same gun as you. but once again we are wrong for that. stop being a whiny baby and lets all get along. i need a ride to iraq and you guys are gunna give it to me. when we get there, youre gunna need someone to protect you, and im gunna do it for you. its a relationship. i love you!

Agreed Greg,
My apologies for his idoicy, most FP's are missle techs that only go overseas to guard haji's that are cleaning porta potties, and have no clue what he is raving about.

I also want to thank you for not judging the rest of us with this j@ck@$$.

mike
100SFS

IF YOUR SO UPSET YOU SHOULD HAVE HAD SAID SOMETHING TO THOSE HARD CHARGERS IN THEIR FACE INSTEAD OF POSTING IT HERE ON WEBSITE.

" just wait till one of thes marines dares and says something to an airmen about their hat, then we'll see who the real men are. "

I WOULD HAVE REALLY LIKE TO HEAR YOU, THE REAL MAN, SAY THAT TO ONE OF OUR FACES. LIKE TO SEE WHAT HAPPENS THEN. BUT NO YOU DIDNT AND NOW YOUR CRYING POSTING UP A CHIT ON THIS WEBSITE AND WRITING LETTERS TO YOUR CONGRESSMAN. I THINK YOU CAN SKIP ALOT OF THAT AND JUST STEP INTO YOUR LOCAL MARINE RECRUITING STATING WHERE ONE OF THE FEW CAN PERSONALLY ASSIST YOU IN UNFU**ING YOURSELF. OH AND PLEASE INCLUDE YOUR FULL NAME AND UNIT SO WE CAN VERIFY YOUR SERVICE. THANK YOU.

GREG HERNANDEZ
USMC
MESS WITH THE BEST DIE LIKE THE REST OOH RAH SEMPER FI.

Originally organized as the Continental Marines on November 10, 1775 as naval infantry, the Marine Corps has evolved in its mission with changing military doctrine and American foreign policy. The Marine Corps has served in every American armed conflict including the Revolutionary War. It attained prominence in the 20th century when its theories and practice of amphibious warfare proved prescient and ultimately formed the cornerstone of the Pacific campaign of World War II.

The United States Air Force (USAF) is the aerial warfare branch of the United States armed forces and one of the seven uniformed services. Previously part of the United States Army, the USAF was formed as a separate branch of the military on September 18, 1947.

Let me see if I understand you. A military branch formed 172 years before the Air Force has 'stolen your insignia'? All of the training you recieved was perfected by the Army, Navy, and Marines well before the idea of an 'Air Force' had ever been conceived. If you choose to look at things in a REALISTIC way everything the Air Force has was 'stolen' from the other branches including basic uniform design.

I in no way say this to disrepect ANY member of our Armed Forces who have sworn an oath to protect our lives and freedoms. I hope that people who read this complaint realize that Hermann does not 'represent' the branch in which he serves.

God bless our Troops!

Originally organized as the Continental Marines on November 10, 1775 as naval infantry, the Marine Corps has evolved in its mission with changing military doctrine and American foreign policy. The Marine Corps has served in every American armed conflict including the Revolutionary War. It attained prominence in the 20th century when its theories and practice of amphibious warfare proved prescient and ultimately formed the cornerstone of the Pacific campaign of World War II.

The United States Air Force (USAF) is the aerial warfare branch of the United States armed forces and one of the seven uniformed services. Previously part of the United States Army, the USAF was formed as a separate branch of the military on September 18, 1947.

Let me see if I understand you. A military branch formed 172 years before the Air Force has 'stolen your insignia'? All of the training you recieved was perfected by the Army, Navy, and Marines well before the idea of an 'Air Force' had ever been conceived. If you choose to look at things in a REALISTIC way everything the Air Force has was 'stolen' from the other branches including basic uniform design.

I in no way say this to disrepect ANY member of our Armed Forces who have sworn an oath to protect our lives and freedoms. I hope that people who read this complaint realize that Hermann does not 'represent' the branch in which he serves.

God bless our Troops!

Originally organized as the Continental Marines on November 10, 1775 as naval infantry, the Marine Corps has evolved in its mission with changing military doctrine and American foreign policy. The Marine Corps has served in every American armed conflict including the Revolutionary War. It attained prominence in the 20th century when its theories and practice of amphibious warfare proved prescient and ultimately formed the cornerstone of the Pacific campaign of World War II.

The United States Air Force (USAF) is the aerial warfare branch of the United States armed forces and one of the seven uniformed services. Previously part of the United States Army, the USAF was formed as a separate branch of the military on September 18, 1947.

Let me see if I understand you. A military branch formed 172 years before the Air Force has 'stolen your insignia'? All of the training you recieved was perfected by the Army, Navy, and Marines well before the idea of an 'Air Force' had ever been conceived. If you choose to look at things in a REALISTIC way everything the Air Force has was 'stolen' from the other branches including basic uniform design.

I in no way say this to disrepect ANY member of our Armed Forces who have sworn an oath to protect our lives and freedoms. I hope that people who read this complaint realize that Hermann does not 'represent' the branch in which he serves.

God bless our Troops!

Originally organized as the Continental Marines on November 10, 1775 as naval infantry, the Marine Corps has evolved in its mission with changing military doctrine and American foreign policy. The Marine Corps has served in every American armed conflict including the Revolutionary War. It attained prominence in the 20th century when its theories and practice of amphibious warfare proved prescient and ultimately formed the cornerstone of the Pacific campaign of World War II.

The United States Air Force (USAF) is the aerial warfare branch of the United States armed forces and one of the seven uniformed services. Previously part of the United States Army, the USAF was formed as a separate branch of the military on September 18, 1947.

Let me see if I understand you. A military branch formed 172 years before the Air Force has 'stolen your insignia'? All of the training you recieved was perfected by the Army, Navy, and Marines well before the idea of an 'Air Force' had ever been conceived. If you choose to look at things in a REALISTIC way everything the Air Force has was 'stolen' from the other branches including basic uniform design.

I in no way say this to disrepect ANY member of our Armed Forces who have sworn an oath to protect our lives and freedoms. I hope that people who read this complaint realize that Hermann does not 'represent' the branch in which he serves.

God bless our Troops!

(These threads tend to raise questions of validity as there are many mil posers on the net, i intentionally do not provide alot of details because of OPSEC, remember ppl the enemy has computers as well)

I will start this by admitting that I DID NOT read all the posts simply skimmed them because I had a feeling where this crap of a "report" would lead.

My defend the AF section of this post-
I am an active duty Security Forces (AFSF) Airman (E-5), with field experience in both OIF and OEF. I say this to illustrate the different types of Airman you can encounter.

In the Security Forces academy, you spent your whole time learning a bit of L.E. and alot of field work, from convoys, in depth anti-terrorism, convoys, recon operations, to securing airfields from the enemy and converting them to safe enough nests for our birds, to going in with Red Horse (AF equiv to Sea Bees) and building a base from the ground up. Basically our tech school left most of us laughing at AF basic training's physical and "combat" side. But still proud to wear AF Blue.

Once your "in" you yearly go to Ground Combat training at any one of our Security Forces multi-faceted and often interservice field areas across the globe.

At home station during our duty hours we protect the base, ensure Law and Order, and show up as quick as possible when someone needs us. Then when it comes time for deployments I've seen everything from running convoys with the 1st BCT to detainee work, to stickin on the flight line cushy watchin birds.

Now I don't fancy myself a grunt, squid, or jarhead, just a combat airman doing what I love and hate at the same time. And all you traditional ground pounders never complain when an an AF asset clears a tree line to get the shooting to go bye bye;-)

Some of you all need to get a grasp on ALL THE AF roles. Just like you don't want your service sterotyped try not to sterotype others. And on the issue of training (i.e. converting rifles to a smaller caliber) many of you just need to get your story straight and quit relying on rumors.

Now for what feels like my fair assessment of the originator of this thread-

Obviously you do know the Marines have had the multi point cap longer then we've had the term FP right? Do some research. And as the reply above illustrates in todays world outside tent-city the K-pot is your "patrol headgear." Unless your CPE or OSI, which I doubt if your rocking the FP bassard.

Second, if your the typical FP (force protection that guards the haji's cleaning the john's) please quit representing yourself like you are rollin outside the perim, i don't think the main purveyors of this subject need any further explanation of my point on that one.

If you were serious about this post (and God I hope you weren't) realize you have disrespected one of the world's premier fighting force (the USMC in which my father served and I've served beside), misrepresented the USAF through ignorance and unneeded "attention" to your lack of competence.

It is rare and generally rude to jump someone in your own field in public, but you wrote above that you are allowed to write what you want, you are, but as an airman remember our Core values before your rep the AF to the rest of the world. Hopefully no one will judge us by this.

BUSTED!!! LOL

Herman, (I hope thats your last name) I cant grasp the fact that you actually beleive what your saying. If you think the Chair Force is so hard, go Blue to Green or if you really want to be brave get a conditional release and go try and be one of Uncle Sam's Misguided Children, then come back and tell us all how tough you are and how hardcore all the other "combat" airmen are. (those two words do NOT belong next to each other) This is one issue i actually agree with robert on! except the boonie hat though, im pretty sure that was Army but i'll have to look it up. Hey bob, why didnt you call me when you moved? you know i would have been more than happy to help.

I am serving this country, giving you all the right to bash the greatest branch in the united states military. I have a right to write whatever, wherever, whenever i want. The usmc stole the air USAF patrol cover, and this issue needs to be corrected

I was in the Navy in the 60's and knew many Marines, soldiers and airmen. Our boot camp was emotionally pretty intense but physically was nothing like the boot camp that the Marines or Army go through. I think the air Force was even lighter than ours. It actually isn't necessary for the Navy or Air Force to have training as physically demanding. We didn't have many fox holes aboard ship or on a plane, not much hand to hand combat either. Our war was more like a video game with radar systems and computer controlled weapons direction systems. There's nothing wrong with that, it's just different environments but it's embarassing to 'hear' airmen talk about how physically demanding their boot camp is. Hilarious!

But even you must admit AF Boot Camp is a joke.

The reality is this...if a prior service member of any other branch joins the Marines, he/she must go to PI, or San Diego like any other recruit.

If a Marine joins any other branch, he/she does not go to that branch's version of Boot Camp.

Guess why.

I am a Viet Nam era vet, nope, wasn't in Nam, but God help me I was in the Air Force.
I should be so ashamed.
Guess I pissed away those years I gave to my country.

I am cross-eyed and confused after reading the post that made reference to air-force training as "the most grueling that the military has to offer."
What?????
As a Sailor, I knew Air Force airmen, who even hesitated to call their own basic training "boot camp".
My own Navy training aside, what about Navy SEAL training? Army ranger training?
As for the uniform thing; for the record, the marines were one of the first branches of the military established.
The air force wasn't even it's own branch of the military until after WW2 (it was simply known as the army air corp).
Can't believe the complaint. Nor can I believe I felt the need to respond.

I am cross-eyed and confused after reading the post that made reference to air-force training as "the most grueling that the military has to offer."
What?????
As a Sailor, I knew Air Force airmen, who even hesitated to call their own basic training "boot camp".
My own Navy training aside, what about Navy SEAL training? Army ranger training?
As for the uniform thing; for the record, the marines were one of the first branches of the military established.
The air force wasn't even it's own branch of the military until after WW2 (it was simply known as the army air corp).
Can't believe the complaint. Nor can I believe I felt the need to respond.

I am cross-eyed and confused after reading the post that made reference to air-force training as "the most grueling that the military has to offer."
What?????
As a Sailor, I knew Air Force airmen, who even hesitated to call their own basic training "boot camp".
My own Navy training aside, what about Navy SEAL training? Army ranger training?
As for the uniform thing; for the record, the marines were one of the first branches of the military established.
The air force wasn't even it's own branch of the military until after WW2 (it was simply known as the army air corp).
Can't believe the complaint. Nor can I believe I felt the need to respond.

This guy might be bucking for a section eight. Dad retired as a major, from the air force, after 20 years, that's why I joined the Marines. Back in the early 70's, I ran and swam with the pararescue guys up in W.F. TX. going through their medical training. There are no better troops. They're as good as any I've dealt with. Real troops could care less who wears what. I read a funny article about a Marine bitching about how he was in an airport, in NY and saw a couple of soldiers(Army) flying in from Iraq who were wearing First Marine Division patches. His comment was how come soldiers get to wear 1st Mar Div patches and Marines don't. The answer was Marines don't wear patches. IF an army unit is "attached" to a unit, any unit, in combat, they can wear that unit's patch. Go figure. Years ago I was flying home and a guy comes up to me and asks me what branch of service I'm in. The only way to tell was the emblem on my cover(hat) for you air force guys. God bless our troops and those navy guys too.

And I was a "combat" airmen! What is your AFSC??
The Air Force basically only has 3 AFSCs (MOS's for you other service members) that can be classified as combat (non-pilot).

"USAF basic is 6 weeks long, the most intense and grueling 6 weeks the military has to offer."

At least you got the 6 weeks part right LOL!

"seen more combat in my 19 months in the airforce"
ROFLMAO! Where?? In a simulator?? Playing a video game???

Also, you must not have learned anything in Basic, because the marines have been around quite a bit longer than the Air Force.

But the more I think about this post the more I think its a joke. H**l I am still laughing!

who would i rather go int battle with? A combat airmen, thats who. And yes USAF basic is 6 weeks long, the most intense and grueling 6 weeks the military has to offer. Hey robert, i bet ive seen more combat in my 19 months in the airforce than you have your enitre life. i've already wrote my congressmen on this issue, so when it takes affect i'll make sure to look all of you up and laugh in your faces.

who would i rather go int battle with? A combat airmen, thats who. And yes USAF basic is 6 weeks long, the most intense and grueling 6 weeks the military has to offer. Hey robert, i bet ive seen more combat in my 19 months in the airforce than you have your enitre life. i've already wrote my congressmen on this issue, so when it takes affect i'll make sure to look all of you up and laugh in your faces.

who would i rather go int battle with? A combat airmen, thats who. And yes USAF basic is 6 weeks long, the most intense and grueling 6 weeks the military has to offer. Hey robert, i bet ive seen more combat in my 19 months in the airforce than you have your enitre life. i've already wrote my congressmen on this issue, so when it takes affect i'll make sure to look all of you up and laugh in your faces.

I see these kids graduate from air force basic with a row or two of ribbons and I wonder what they are for. Let's see. That one's for showing up, that one's for getting up on time, that one's for making their rack, that one's for completing the half mile walk in under 30 minutes and so on and so forth. The air force chief of staff just deceided to instill the "warrior ethos" in his troops. He eliminated the TWO days spent folding underwear and instead will spend the TWO days turning his airpersons into lean, mean, fighting machines. What's basic up to now? Six weeks? It must really be tough going out there for an AFTERNOON and firing that M-16 that's converted into a 22 long rifle. The kickback must be a b***h. I know those Marines sleep much better at night knowing you're protecting them. I know I would. I sure wish I'd had S/Sgt Manhart(?) as a DI. Semper Fi, God bless our troops and those navy guys too. P. S. It's kind of hard to type when you're laughing so hard.

You are complaining about a UNIFORM for crying out loud?

I hardly think that a required uniform can be construed as a rip off. In case you haven't noticed, there are a lot of things involved in being in the military, and fashion is not one of them.

After I get done laughing!

The USMC does not design anything, unless you consider creating rubble from perfectly good real estate "designing". And the day some AF YooHoo "protects" a Marine, I'll go away and never return. The uniforms are provided by the US Navy, and approved by Congress. "Patrol" cover? What are you blathering about? The helmet is the same one ALL US personnel wear. The soft cover is pure USMC, and the "Boonie" is also pure USMC. That one has been in the inventory for about 40 years, and was popularized in Vietnam.

Close air support from the Marines means you can feel the heat from the exhaust. Close air support from the AF means you can see them on radar.

Marines are warriors 24/7, all year long. Does the AF still have "Warrior Week"? For those who don't understand, this is the ONE week The YooHoos get to play "dress-up", and wear Cammies. Even the civilians play along. It's just embarassing.

You're a hoot, Hermann.