Wild Wind Kennels IS A PUPPY MILL! ripoff Donnybrook North Dakota

How's about this....

I have(and continue) to be an avid animal advocate. Not only that but I do shelter work and rescue work with two shelters where I live. I have been doing so for nearly 8 years. I also specialize in dog and cat nutrition in addition to working for various Animal related jobs(none that involve selling puppies I might ad). Including veterinary care for many animals amongst other things. Not tooting my own horn, just to point out that I have a basis for for commenting and knowledge of the subject matter.

I have four dogs of my own(not to be confused with foster dogs). Two are shelter cases, one was a bequeathed pet of my grandmothers and one, is from Judie at wild wind.

In addition to that I actually DID see the kennel and the environnement. I should also mention they did not know exactly what day I was coming. I also feel knowledgeable enough that I know what I am looking for. While it goes without saying that they have an enormous sheer amount of dogs, the entire outside of the facility and outdoor kennels were VERY clean, with virtually no odour(hard to believe with that many dogs on a hot summer day, but the nose doesn't lie. Of course the argument can be made that you cannot see things that may cause disease in an animal, but you can lower the possibility by keeping it relatively santitary. Which is was. The inside of the kennels while the odour wasn't fabulous by any means inside, they were at that very TIME cleaning it all out. The animals themselves were actually very well kempt and groomed.

The reason i say it's not all black and white is that both sides here make points. Personally I have SEEN true puppy mills and the ONLY common factor here is the number of dogs kept. However, that ends when looking at how they were cared for. Traditional puppy mills and backyard breeders do a horrendous job of keeping themselves clean, profitable and in buisness for the length of time Judie has. And while I'm not a huge fan of Commercial breeders, the only reason I went to one was because I was looking for a VERY specific size and colour and breed of dog. Not easy to come by. I'm glad I did, because now I know it's not always so clear cut.

The pups are well fed(though I personally wouldn't use the food they were using at the time, but thats a whole other issue) always vet checked and healthy. I didn't see one single sickly looking animal, and while obviously I cant closely inspect every single dog, I did get a chance to see all the litters on the ground at the time.

The ONLY thing I have to say is that although I know many of the pups get attention with her and her family inside their home, I am assuming that they dont all get quite enough. Most are very sweet and friendly pups but some are more shy then I would like to see.

it is very clearly their full time job. Would I send lots of people to them? Only if they couldnt find what they were looking for through the shelters or breeders that show and raise. Overall I'd say they did an ok job.

Also, they vaccine every dog there is and have also rescued some that cannot be bred as family pets.

While I understand the pressure breeding can put on the shelter programs and I agree that microchipping would be a great way to improve their buisness, I do believe they take pride and consideration for every single pup.

How's about this....

I have(and continue) to be an avid animal advocate. Not only that but I do shelter work and rescue work with two shelters where I live. I have been doing so for nearly 8 years. I also specialize in dog and cat nutrition in addition to working for various Animal related jobs(none that involve selling puppies I might ad). Including veterinary care for many animals amongst other things. Not tooting my own horn, just to point out that I have a basis for for commenting and knowledge of the subject matter.

I have four dogs of my own(not to be confused with foster dogs). Two are shelter cases, one was a bequeathed pet of my grandmothers and one, is from Judie at wild wind.

In addition to that I actually DID see the kennel and the environnement. I should also mention they did not know exactly what day I was coming. I also feel knowledgeable enough that I know what I am looking for. While it goes without saying that they have an enormous sheer amount of dogs, the entire outside of the facility and outdoor kennels were VERY clean, with virtually no odour(hard to believe with that many dogs on a hot summer day, but the nose doesn't lie. Of course the argument can be made that you cannot see things that may cause disease in an animal, but you can lower the possibility by keeping it relatively santitary. Which is was. The inside of the kennels while the odour wasn't fabulous by any means inside, they were at that very TIME cleaning it all out. The animals themselves were actually very well kempt and groomed.

The reason i say it's not all black and white is that both sides here make points. Personally I have SEEN true puppy mills and the ONLY common factor here is the number of dogs kept. However, that ends when looking at how they were cared for. Traditional puppy mills and backyard breeders do a horrendous job of keeping themselves clean, profitable and in buisness for the length of time Judie has. And while I'm not a huge fan of Commercial breeders, the only reason I went to one was because I was looking for a VERY specific size and colour and breed of dog. Not easy to come by. I'm glad I did, because now I know it's not always so clear cut.

The pups are well fed(though I personally wouldn't use the food they were using at the time, but thats a whole other issue) always vet checked and healthy. I didn't see one single sickly looking animal, and while obviously I cant closely inspect every single dog, I did get a chance to see all the litters on the ground at the time.

The ONLY thing I have to say is that although I know many of the pups get attention with her and her family inside their home, I am assuming that they dont all get quite enough. Most are very sweet and friendly pups but some are more shy then I would like to see.

it is very clearly their full time job. Would I send lots of people to them? Only if they couldnt find what they were looking for through the shelters or breeders that show and raise. Overall I'd say they did an ok job.

Also, they vaccine every dog there is and have also rescued some that cannot be bred as family pets.

While I understand the pressure breeding can put on the shelter programs and I agree that microchipping would be a great way to improve their buisness, I do believe they take pride and consideration for every single pup.

How's about this....

I have(and continue) to be an avid animal advocate. Not only that but I do shelter work and rescue work with two shelters where I live. I have been doing so for nearly 8 years. I also specialize in dog and cat nutrition in addition to working for various Animal related jobs(none that involve selling puppies I might ad). Including veterinary care for many animals amongst other things. Not tooting my own horn, just to point out that I have a basis for for commenting and knowledge of the subject matter.

I have four dogs of my own(not to be confused with foster dogs). Two are shelter cases, one was a bequeathed pet of my grandmothers and one, is from Judie at wild wind.

In addition to that I actually DID see the kennel and the environnement. I should also mention they did not know exactly what day I was coming. I also feel knowledgeable enough that I know what I am looking for. While it goes without saying that they have an enormous sheer amount of dogs, the entire outside of the facility and outdoor kennels were VERY clean, with virtually no odour(hard to believe with that many dogs on a hot summer day, but the nose doesn't lie. Of course the argument can be made that you cannot see things that may cause disease in an animal, but you can lower the possibility by keeping it relatively santitary. Which is was. The inside of the kennels while the odour wasn't fabulous by any means inside, they were at that very TIME cleaning it all out. The animals themselves were actually very well kempt and groomed.

The reason i say it's not all black and white is that both sides here make points. Personally I have SEEN true puppy mills and the ONLY common factor here is the number of dogs kept. However, that ends when looking at how they were cared for. Traditional puppy mills and backyard breeders do a horrendous job of keeping themselves clean, profitable and in buisness for the length of time Judie has. And while I'm not a huge fan of Commercial breeders, the only reason I went to one was because I was looking for a VERY specific size and colour and breed of dog. Not easy to come by. I'm glad I did, because now I know it's not always so clear cut.

The pups are well fed(though I personally wouldn't use the food they were using at the time, but thats a whole other issue) always vet checked and healthy. I didn't see one single sickly looking animal, and while obviously I cant closely inspect every single dog, I did get a chance to see all the litters on the ground at the time.

The ONLY thing I have to say is that although I know many of the pups get attention with her and her family inside their home, I am assuming that they dont all get quite enough. Most are very sweet and friendly pups but some are more shy then I would like to see.

it is very clearly their full time job. Would I send lots of people to them? Only if they couldnt find what they were looking for through the shelters or breeders that show and raise. Overall I'd say they did an ok job.

Also, they vaccine every dog there is and have also rescued some that cannot be bred as family pets.

While I understand the pressure breeding can put on the shelter programs and I agree that microchipping would be a great way to improve their buisness, I do believe they take pride and consideration for every single pup.

How's about this....

I have(and continue) to be an avid animal advocate. Not only that but I do shelter work and rescue work with two shelters where I live. I have been doing so for nearly 8 years. I also specialize in dog and cat nutrition in addition to working for various Animal related jobs(none that involve selling puppies I might ad). Including veterinary care for many animals amongst other things. Not tooting my own horn, just to point out that I have a basis for for commenting and knowledge of the subject matter.

I have four dogs of my own(not to be confused with foster dogs). Two are shelter cases, one was a bequeathed pet of my grandmothers and one, is from Judie at wild wind.

In addition to that I actually DID see the kennel and the environnement. I should also mention they did not know exactly what day I was coming. I also feel knowledgeable enough that I know what I am looking for. While it goes without saying that they have an enormous sheer amount of dogs, the entire outside of the facility and outdoor kennels were VERY clean, with virtually no odour(hard to believe with that many dogs on a hot summer day, but the nose doesn't lie. Of course the argument can be made that you cannot see things that may cause disease in an animal, but you can lower the possibility by keeping it relatively santitary. Which is was. The inside of the kennels while the odour wasn't fabulous by any means inside, they were at that very TIME cleaning it all out. The animals themselves were actually very well kempt and groomed.

The reason i say it's not all black and white is that both sides here make points. Personally I have SEEN true puppy mills and the ONLY common factor here is the number of dogs kept. However, that ends when looking at how they were cared for. Traditional puppy mills and backyard breeders do a horrendous job of keeping themselves clean, profitable and in buisness for the length of time Judie has. And while I'm not a huge fan of Commercial breeders, the only reason I went to one was because I was looking for a VERY specific size and colour and breed of dog. Not easy to come by. I'm glad I did, because now I know it's not always so clear cut.

The pups are well fed(though I personally wouldn't use the food they were using at the time, but thats a whole other issue) always vet checked and healthy. I didn't see one single sickly looking animal, and while obviously I cant closely inspect every single dog, I did get a chance to see all the litters on the ground at the time.

The ONLY thing I have to say is that although I know many of the pups get attention with her and her family inside their home, I am assuming that they dont all get quite enough. Most are very sweet and friendly pups but some are more shy then I would like to see.

it is very clearly their full time job. Would I send lots of people to them? Only if they couldnt find what they were looking for through the shelters or breeders that show and raise. Overall I'd say they did an ok job.

Also, they vaccine every dog there is and have also rescued some that cannot be bred as family pets.

While I understand the pressure breeding can put on the shelter programs and I agree that microchipping would be a great way to improve their buisness, I do believe they take pride and consideration for every single pup.

I am an owner of 2 minature Schnauzers purchased from Wild Wind Kennel..I never had any problems with Judie or Greg..I think they are nice people. I just absolutely adore both of my dogs!! The one I got in 2004, she is 5yrs. old. The other one I got in 2006. and she is 3yrs. old..Both of them are full of energy..No problems with either one of thems health so far..they are very healthy..I would buy from Wild Wind Kennel again!!!!

I was....WAS thinking of possibly getting a puppy through them as someone mentioned that they had a puppy breed I was looking for. I found their website and I about fell off my chair. I counted 111 puppies and 50 some adults, some who have had puppies twice in 2008!!!! That is very unhealthy to any dog to keep having them have puppies every heat cycle, that can actually kill a dog! Also 111 puppies cannot be taken care of properly, puppies need to be socialized properly before being given to a new home. They need to be handled daily, socialized with the different environments they may face such as children, babies, other animals, and being in a house! Most people who are RESPONSIBLE breeders even start the house training before sending a puppy to their new home. I also found an ad saying they were giving away free dogs because they were downsizing. Maybe they should give away more than just 6 dogs, as that wasn't downsizing.

I was....WAS thinking of possibly getting a puppy through them as someone mentioned that they had a puppy breed I was looking for. I found their website and I about fell off my chair. I counted 111 puppies and 50 some adults, some who have had puppies twice in 2008!!!! That is very unhealthy to any dog to keep having them have puppies every heat cycle, that can actually kill a dog! Also 111 puppies cannot be taken care of properly, puppies need to be socialized properly before being given to a new home. They need to be handled daily, socialized with the different environments they may face such as children, babies, other animals, and being in a house! Most people who are RESPONSIBLE breeders even start the house training before sending a puppy to their new home. I also found an ad saying they were giving away free dogs because they were downsizing. Maybe they should give away more than just 6 dogs, as that wasn't downsizing.

I was....WAS thinking of possibly getting a puppy through them as someone mentioned that they had a puppy breed I was looking for. I found their website and I about fell off my chair. I counted 111 puppies and 50 some adults, some who have had puppies twice in 2008!!!! That is very unhealthy to any dog to keep having them have puppies every heat cycle, that can actually kill a dog! Also 111 puppies cannot be taken care of properly, puppies need to be socialized properly before being given to a new home. They need to be handled daily, socialized with the different environments they may face such as children, babies, other animals, and being in a house! Most people who are RESPONSIBLE breeders even start the house training before sending a puppy to their new home. I also found an ad saying they were giving away free dogs because they were downsizing. Maybe they should give away more than just 6 dogs, as that wasn't downsizing.

I was....WAS thinking of possibly getting a puppy through them as someone mentioned that they had a puppy breed I was looking for. I found their website and I about fell off my chair. I counted 111 puppies and 50 some adults, some who have had puppies twice in 2008!!!! That is very unhealthy to any dog to keep having them have puppies every heat cycle, that can actually kill a dog! Also 111 puppies cannot be taken care of properly, puppies need to be socialized properly before being given to a new home. They need to be handled daily, socialized with the different environments they may face such as children, babies, other animals, and being in a house! Most people who are RESPONSIBLE breeders even start the house training before sending a puppy to their new home. I also found an ad saying they were giving away free dogs because they were downsizing. Maybe they should give away more than just 6 dogs, as that wasn't downsizing.

The owners are not "sweet" people. The owner had/has a DISORDERLY CONDUCT RESTRAINING ORDER.... and wrote bad checks....

HOW can the owners take care of all those animals when he can't control his temper and can't balance a checkbook?

In my opinion, they are irresponsible people.

January 2008 I contacted the kennel from an online ad and flew out rom MD to pick up my mixed breed terrier. We were moving to North Dakota and wanted a pup. Let me preface this response, in that I had been married to a verterinarian since 1976, and have been an avid pet owner and activist for animal protection causes. The people at the kennel had no idea of my background and did nothing out of the ordinary to clean the place up when I met them in Jan. Yes there were lots of puppies there. But that sweet little farm was no puppy mill. The animals were kept in nice sized clean padded runs (the floors were covered in nice fresh hay ) and for a place with 60 or so puppys, it smelled good, even still. The lady had just broken her leg and was mending, so they were really in a fix- yet the place was immaculate! Our puppy was a mix breed terrier and was completely fat, sassy and healthy. He was well adjusted to people, no shyness, no loud or unruly behaviour, just a happy frolicky puppy. He is now 11 months old and is as fine a dog as I have ever owned, and that is saying alot! Our babies are well mannered happy normal dogs and he just gets along grand with our cat and older snoddle . He also is the delight of the neighborhood kids.

I am sorry for the sad events of your dog purchase, but honestly sometimes bad things happen and there is no way the kennel could have known about it. I don't believe for a moment there are ANY validated and complete lawsuits against this kennel. Some whiner like yourself may have filed a lawsuit at some time or another, but that unfortunately is the cost of doing business in this lawsuit happy society. Quit your whining and stop trying to damage the reputaion of this fine kennel. I want them to still be in business when I go and get another pup when my dear old snoddle passes.

I think you are completely wrong and are skewing the information contained within that report. Read for yourself at: http://www.animallaw.info/cases/causfd57agdec1072.htm

I live in Chicago and bought my maltipoo from Wild Wind Kennel. They were wonderful. She was my first dog and I didn't know how to prepare for her arrival. They helped me before, during and after I purchased Dakota. She arrived in excellent health and has remained that way. She is friendly and beautiful and my husband who has had dogs all his life says Dakota is the best one he has ever had.

Dakota is now four years old and is an amazing dog. I keep Wild Wind on my favorites because I wouldn't trust going to anywhere else if we decide to get Dakota a friend. To anyone that reads these posts, don't believe the negative, read both sides of the story. You can tell what side I'm on.

Hello, I just came upon this page as I was searching for Wild Wind Kennel.

I was shocked and upset to read about the comments.

I didn't visit the kennel. I bought my Lola three years ago online. I wasn't able to find a small maltipoo locally in Illinois, so I researched for a couple months, and chose Wild Wind.

I found Judie to be very helpful and conscientious, and my Lola has never been sick. She such a good little dog, and I am considering getting another dog from Wild Wind.

As a satisfied owner of a Wild Wind Kennel puppy, I can't see why there is a complaint. I had been considering buying a puppy to replace the dog (an adopted adult) that passed away while I was deployed with the military. When I contacted Judy she talked me out of buying a puppy from her because I did not have the time to train and care for a puppy.

After a year my daily schedule changed and I now had the time that puppies need. I was then sold a puppy with a genetic gaurantee. Judy also recommended that I have my own Vet check out the puppy to my satisfaction.

My vet was impressed with the puppy and had nothing bad to say. My puppy has been an absolute joy and I am very thankful to have him. I have been asked by several people to bring my puppy to their parents nursing homes and schools because of his temperament.

All in all, it has been a great experience and I would hate to see a reputation ruined by someone who has not seen the kennel or had dealings with the owners.

I didn't "make up" anything about this kennel. I read the legal reports. Do you want me to send you the links so that you can read them as well? You obviously don't need a live animal. NO rescue group can guarantee the health of the animals that they rescue. I can tell you all about the foster animals I care for because they are with me. If your "rescued canine" had a botched spay job, did you report it to the authorities? If not, why not? Being a rescue group does not authorize anyone to get poor medical care for their rescues. What was the name of the rescue group? Did they have any complaints filed against them? And if you think not for profit corporations are somehow above the law, you need to do some additional reading on legal matters.

I can't believe someone would actually attack Judie and her company on the basis that she eats rabbits. Lets nit-pick a little bit more huh? I mean why don't you attack her religion too while you are at it. I mean, hey if she isn't (insert religion here) then she must run an unclean business.

I have talked to Judie in the past about buying a Chihuahua. We rescued one from a rescue group, and after shelling out around 1500k on a dog we had for 3 weeks that was enough for me. What would our repurcussions be on the rescue company? The ones that gave us a dog that had worms, as well as a botched spay job that killed her in the end. We had a health certificate, but what good would that have done when the company is a non-profit. In the end Judie convinced me that I should wait a few months until we get everything checked out and are ready again. Yeah that sounds like a puppy mill to me.

You are saying that you rescue animals and give them to homes you feel fit right? Judie doesn't just sell her dogs to anyone. If you want a Boxer and she has one she will tell you about their attitude and how fast they grow. She will tell you that smaller dogs tend to be a bit shy when it comes to small children. She will tell you if anything is wrong with a puppy she has. There is no false sales with this woman or her company. Don't believe me? Send her an email, she responds to everyone I have ever sent. She cares about her business and I look forward to purchasing an animal from her.

FACE IT WILD WIND KENNEL, YOU ARE A PUPPY MILL!

And it's quite simple, really.

Quit buying puppies from breeders - puppy mills -pet stores, etcetera. Get your dog/puppy from the Humane Society. Save a dog's life, quit using dogs - or any animal - as a breeding machine to make money. As long as you people keep BUYING from the breeders, there will be unethical people. It's the nature of 'business'.

I just want to say that I have purchased 2 Toy Poodles at different times and my son purchased a Boxer from Wild Wind Kennel and we have had no health problems with the puppies when we got them or with them now that they are older.

Judie was very professional and spent time answering many questions before the purchase. The puppies we got all at seperate times were all exactly as pictured. Came to us clean, well kept & healthy. They had been vaccinated and wormed and we received all the paperwork.

Anytime we have e-mailed her to let her know how the dogs are doing she has always responded. I have two healthy Toy Poodles...one of whom is now 4 years of age and 1 that is 2 years of age. They have been to my vet regularly and always have a clean bill of health. All have great temperments. I would, because of my past experience with Judie, buy another from her in the future if I was looking for another. Shipping the puppies from North Dakota to Maine was handled very well.

You could tell she cared for these puppies as they came with blankets and a care package. Sorry but I have to defend her as my experiences have been very good three times.

I do apologize for allowing you to think I had forgotten this thread of posts. I have been busy (you know, full time job, animal rescue, etc.), but not too busy to read the actual complaints that were filed against you and the appeal you filed which you apparently lost. After fully reading the entire complaint (and it is posted on the Internet for anyone wishing to read it in its entirety), I will bet you can't get a license. Because I like to play fair, I then checked with the State of North Dakota and lo and behold, I can't seem to locate where you are registered to have any business in North Dakota. Heads up prospective purchasers, this will make it difficult to sue if you ever need to do so. You have way too many litters posted to be a "hobby breeder". And just to be fair, I checked under all "business" names listed in the actual complaint and your name.

You want to know about my ill rabbits? Quite a few of them are dumped when they are already ill, however, the purpose of rescue and sanctuary is to provide as much care, including medical, as possible as long as that companion animal sustains a good quality of life. I have dealt with e.cuniculli, pasturella, pseudomonas, head tilt (from e.c. and ear infections) and even had a rabbit with a heart problem (that one was tricky, she had to use human heart medication). We just don't let them die because it would be less expensive and less time consuming. I'm sure that's quite a shock to someone like you. And we rescuers do it without expecting payment of any kind. What a concept in animal care.

It is obvious you do not care about any animal you house, or don't house, and anyone purchasing any companion animal from you is asking for problems from the get go.

Judie stated:

" ...as far as OFA and CERF on our puppies...you should know that cannot be done until the dog is well past placement age"

That is true but you can and should certify your breeding dogs to help insure that their pups are clear of these genetic diseases.

Two examples:
PRA, the eye disorder found in poodles, is a simple recessive gene, meaning that if you breed 2 dogs with this gene, you will have puppies in the litter that have PRA. PRA in poodles is late onset meaning it happens later in the dogs adult life (after 1 year of age). As the name implies, the dog becomes progressively unable to see as the retina of the eye disintegrates. The dogs also develop cataracts. They eventually go completely blind. Having a CERF certification each year ensures that dogs with PRA will not be bred.

Luxating patellas is an orthopedic disorder found in small dogs. In dogs with luxating patellas (kneecaps), the kneecap slips sideways causing discomfort and joint deformity. Luxating patellas usually occurs in middle-aged dogs and is considered to be genetic. Some pups with luxating patellas can be diagnosed as early as 6-8 weeks of age. Having parents that have been cleared by OFA of luxating patellas greatly increases the chances of having puppies without luxating patellas.

There are several other genetic disorders that the OFA and CERF test for - depending on the breed of dog. The CERF tests should be performed by a canine opthamologist because they have received special training in what to look for. Regular veterinarians do not receive this training. OFA x-rays can be done by any vet because of the special instructions on positioning that the OFA gives to all vets. However, without these x-rays, a veterinarian cannot tell with any certainty if a dog does or does not have a disorder.

Some breeders will claim that OFA and CERF are only indicators of what the dogs hips/eyes looked like on that day and can change. For eye certifications, this is true. That is why CERF is done yearly, to document changes. The OFA tests, particularly the hips/elbows, are only done once after the dog is 2 years of age. The reasoning behind this is that most dogs are finished growing after 2 years of age and their skeletal structure very rarely changes after this time. So, a dog that has been cleared by OFA for hips/elbows, etc, at 2 years of age has an extremely low chance of ever developing the disorder that was tested for.

CERF - certified every year because eyes can change.

OFA - done once after dog has reached 24 months because skeletal structure very rarely changes after maturity.

So, in essence, a vet check can tell you if a puppy is healthy in an overall sense, ie has no parasites, isn't sick, etc. But, a veterinarian can not tell you the genetic makeup of a dog just by examining it. Only by using OFA and CERF certifications, can breeders get the best idea of the genetics of their dogs.

Don't be condescending. You have called me "Dear" twice... I am certainly not your "Dear". Oh, your rabbits are in large "roomy pens" with special precautions for those who are "ill" ..why are they ill ???? My rabbits are NOT ill.

Yes, our land is clean and fenced. Sure..we have fox, grouse, partridge, wild birds. deer, geese...they are not ill.. no.. I have not heard of all those illnesses..because ..WE DO NOT HAVE THEM. ..AND I said a bite from a deer fly..NOT a mosquito. pay attention. So you are a VEGAN. I am so sorry for you. You will never know the joy of a huge, rare steak !!!

No..Aphis couldn't care less about the rabbits we have/or had. Meat rabbits are totally unregulated. ..

As far as the other rebuttal from Daniel. Thank you for at least being tolerant since you so not know us. YES.. we do offer health/genetic guarantees, AKC inspections..passed all counts. State inspections..report..very well run kennel. Vet recommendations. A very serious vaccination and deworming program ...as far as OFA and CERF on our puppies...you should know that cannot be done until the dog is well past placement age.

Go to our website.. email me directly if you wish. Judie

I dont know your kennel, have never visited or even heard of it, so Im not going to tyrate and accuse Wild Wind of being a puppy mill, especially if they have OFA and/or other health clearances for their dogs, which in itself is an expense puppy mills do not fork out.

If Wild Wind is in fact producing healthy and happy puppies with health clearanced parents and has documentation of it, as well as offering health guarantees, I wouldnt call them a puppy mill. However, having showed/trained/bred dogs(border collies0 since I was 11, I can say that the only thing that bothers me is the number of *commercial* kennels that seem to be popping up.

When I had litters of puppies, my goal was to place the right puppy with the right family, and I just have a problem believing that a *commercial* kennel who produces so many litters a year as well as breeding multiple breeds and/or species seems a little fishy to me, and I simply cannot believe that a commercial kennel has each puppy's intrest at heart.

And on a side note, the only way to know that you are producing any kind of health problems (ie hip/eye hereditary diseases) is if each and every puppy produced has hip/eye certifications done by appropraite authorities such as OFA and CERF, and I would find it hard to believe that every single puppy ever produced by Wild Wind has been screened as such.

You just don't get it.

My rabbits aren't in wire bottom cages either. They are in large roomy pens with litter boxes that are cleaned regularly. Extra precautions are taken for those who are ill.

You keep your 19 acres clean? No wild animals? No bird droppings? Wow! I guess I need to live in North Dakota. I wonder why on earth APHIS wanted to see your "kennel". I could have sworn APIS spent their time on livestock more often than canines. Have anything to do with the rabbits?

You also seem to be unaware of illnesses such as pasturella, e.cuniculli, myxomatosis, and VHD/RHD. You DO realize that some diseases can species jump, don't you? I'll have to go read up on tularemia later today. I've never read of anyone getting it from a mosquito bite. Only from blood or animal meat. NOTE: I did say M E A T.

So all of these fines were unfounded? Made up? I don't think so.

You have used the words: backyard moron, greedy creep, really stupid, ignorant, flake and asinine in describing what you think of me. At least I can claim to have much better manners. And for your information my I.Q. has been tested at 133 so I think that is enough about my intelligence.

You claim I don't know who we are selling our canines to. We have the name, address, phone of every single, individual buyer. We speak with then at length on the phone or by email. We do not sell to brokers. We sell one puppy at a time to a family. so there goes that theory of yours.

We give a standard, one year major genetic/congenital guarantee. We have NEVER produced a puppy with a hip problem. 2 had loose patellas (we returned full refund)..and one developed a cataract at 5 years of age.

As for tularemia... if you know enough to wear rubber gloves and cook the meat sufficiently it is perfectly SAFE. We don't eat cottontails or jackrabbits which are the prime carriers. Tularemia is also contacted from a bite by the deer fly... no rabbit needed.

You claim my rabbits are in unclean conditions. You do not know what you are talking about. They have free run of 19 acres so have constantly clean areas to which to go. They are not kept in little wire bottomed cages.

You also claim someone buying from me has problems with not knowing disposition or health of our puppies. They know exactly what they are getting along with a complete vaccination and deworming record.

Perhaps you can get your point across without being so childish in your comments about my intelligence. It just makes you look bad.

Where am I from doesn't mean anything. We have backyard morons such as yourself right here in this state.

If you "take back any puppy" that is unwanted, do they all go out with a microchip that can be traced back to you? Of course they don't. My rescues do. If any of them end up in a shelter, I know about it. My rescues are placed close enough for me to keep track of them and know where they are. Don't try to brag about not selling to pet stores. It is obvious that you don't even know who you are selling your canines to.

Since you seem to have many different breeds, what types of "genetic guarantees" are you speaking of? What are the time limits on your so-called guarantees? ALL of my rescues come from unknown places and I have had no more serious medical problems from them than from any person buying from a breeder.

Now for the Boy Are You Really Stupid Part: I have worked with domestic rabbit rescue for over 10 years. Because of the area and the lack of qualified veterinary care, I was forced to learn a lot more about medical care than I wanted to.

First of all, if your rabbits are overbreeding, rabbits CAN be spayed and neutered. All of mine are. Of course, they should only be spayed by an "exotic vet" and those are expensive. Since your rabbits are not cared for that is probably out of your realm of understanding.

Secondly, my dear, rabbits can and DO harbor disease. The mere fact that you keep yours in unclean conditions by allowing them to roam wherever and be exposed to whatever makes them ten times more more likely to pick up one of those diseases.

Ever hear of tularemia? You are exposing your rabbits daily. And, yes, humans who EAT rabbits or kill them for that matter can develop tularemia. And your excuse for eating rabbits is just as assinine. The protein in rabbits is much less than that of fish. Although I am vegan and seem to have no lack of protein.

I work in Rescue. It is my goal to put flakes such as yourself out of business. That is doing something constructive. No breeder can take on multiple breeds, have that many litters, and know anything about what they are doing.

I don't "buy" any of my canine companions. They are dumped rescues. They are purebred animals from the same type of place that you are running. No I don't know their disposition or health prior to coming into foster care. But I have the feeling that someone buying from you is going to have the same problem.

Oh, and I can comment because breeders like you are the reason the rescue groups I volunteer for exist.

We are a commercial breeder. Producing companion dogs for individual families. YES.. we could get a license if we wanted one, but we do not sell to pet shops, where people impulse buy.

We are 45 miles from the nearest large town so people coming here to our kennel (which is open to the public) have thought carefully about buying a puppy. No impulse buying.

You tell me.. where will people find the puppies they want if there were no commercial breeders ? ..and don't tell me the Humane Society or the pound. If you go there and find what you want that is excellent. But can you find a small breed puppy with a known health record and a genetic guarantee ? Or will it be large breed crosses of unknown disposition or background ?

If you want to do something constructive.. help get spay/neuter clinics going so there are no more backyard accidents that desperately need homes they will never find. Our policy is to take back any puppy we produce at any time if it cannot be kept.

If there were no commercial breeders, there would be blackmarket smuggling of puppies from overseas and Mexico. "Someone" is going to supply those puppies and far better to get one from a known breeder than the black market.

As far as eating rabbits.. that obviously is your choice. And we have never sold a rabbit to anyone for eating. Our rabbits run free around the farm and when the population becomes too large, we may eat some of them. Rabbits do not harbot diseases. They are extremely healthy for people to eat. Old people can digest the protein far easier than many other meats. Enough said for rabbits.

How you can comment on what we do when you are in Kansas and we are in ND, is beyone me. We are an honest business that takes great care of our dogs. You certainly don't have to buy a puppy from a commercial breeder, but at the same time have no right to call us a "greedy creep"

If you are the breeder with 31 litters on the ground, you are a puppy mill. If you have many different "litters" of many different animals, you are worse than a puppy mill. You are a greedy creep. I'll bet money you CAN'T get a license with what you are doing. BTW, I don't believe in eating rabbits any more than I believe in eating canines, they are both companion animals, but anyone buying any meat animal from you should be terrified. They will never know what diseases they are purchasing.

yES, We certainly are a commercial breeding kennel..and proud of it. We supply healthy, happy puppies to families that love them. As far as "quoting" from USDA sites..

We have never paid a single DIME to USDA as far as a fine. We did go to a hearing because of being charged with "violations" due to our inspector filing falsified government reports.

We can prove this.

We never did lose our license for a single day. We CHOSE to not renew our license when it ran out. We were not denied a license..we chose it..as we did no sell to pet shops, so a license was not needed.

As far as the violations quoted in the report. Those are quoted word for word out of the rule book and do not represent our "violations". When we refused an inspection of our facility..that was AFTER we did not renew our license. We told the inspector that he had no business here.

The comment about not enough room was for 2 litters of meat rabbits, produced by sister rabbits that had babies at the same time. NOT for our dogs.

As far as clean and control weeds..they wanted us to cut our our lilac bushes, near the kennels, because they could "harbor vermin" Hardly!

The comment about storage of food is rediculous. We pay a lot of money for our food and would never store it improperly.

We were charged with leaving the lid off our container ..between feeding each pen.. good grief. We were supposed to put the lid back on every 2 minutes ?

We were fined because Greg, my partner, was cleaning a pen, dropped newspapers on the floor to answer the telephone and the inspector took pictures of the papers on the floor with a hidden camera. Greg immediately picked up the papers after the phone call.. yet we were written up as having "old, soiled papers, lying around" The next set of pictures, that were taken by the inspector, has no papers in it.

The comment about "excretia" was on our ducks. NOT dogs. We had a group of baby ducks..as their litter became wet from their playing in the water, we added more sawdust..which created a build up. when they were old enough to move to a larger pen, that was all cleaned up. NOTHING to do with dogs.

We were building NEW kennels..and were written up for unpainted wood..even though it was NEW.
We have 2 AKC inspections..perfect in every way. A State vet inspection..also perfect. Our own vet is glad to visit as to our kennel.

The person submitting this report has NEVER been to our kennel..just reporting on things they have HEARD. Contact me for the truth, if you care. wildwind@restel.net Thank you, Judie