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  • Submitted: Wednesday, April 28, 2010
  • Last Posting: Wednesday, May 23, 2012
  • Reported By: Paul — Midfield Texas United States of America
A Forever Recovery
Battlecreek Mi Internet United States of America

A Forever Recovery NARCONON STONE HAWK I WISH I WOULD HAVE LISTENED TO MY GUT Battlecreek Michigan, Internet

*UPDATE EX-employee responds: CREDENTIALS MY REAR!!!!!


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Please pay attention, your money and your loved ones life is at risk.

I will assume if you are reading this, you like me are despertly seeking help for someone you love: About 3 months ago I bagan searching for a facility that could really help my 19 yr. old daughter, whom has a "pill" problem. Like most "seekers" I was having to work in the preamerters of what I could afford and where my ins. co.would pay. After searching locally, I responded to an internet ad, and hence began the nightmare of "A Forever Recovery" I was sold 1st by a nice fellow by the name of David, I really believed and still do that he meant what he was saying. "Now follow me on this" I after 3 or 4 conversations with David, told him that I could not afford, at the time to admit my daughter, and I was not sure it was the right timing. We talked another time about a week later and David quieted all my concerns. Concerns being I am afraid to send my daughter out of state, I am afraid they would not keep her long enough, I am afraid because although we had good medical ins. the drug treatment part did not seem to satify, other treatment centers for just a 30 day stay, much less the 90, or up to 6 months they were talking about, because according to David, they did not really concern themselves with the amount of money they got, but there main concern was my daughters, recovery. WoW! I thought that's nice! A place where they care!..my wife having worked in the healthcare field, including treatment centers seen this as the 1st red flag........Oh well read on....

I told david I would GET her in as soon as I could. About a month later I called David's cell phone and got a voice/mail. The call was returned later by a fellow named "murry" who informed me that "david" no longer worked there but that he would be happy to help me. Once again checking my ins. and telling me that for the low cost of a deductable of 5K, payed upon admit, my daughter would get all the attention she needed, and that if they had to keep her for up to 6 months it did not matter, that the well seasoned staff, "in recovery" would determine when my daughter was ready to handel "staying sober". He also reiterated that because of there unprecidited recovery rate they practiclly gurranteeded it. In other words, if my daughter needed to come back it was FREE OF CHARGE!  WOW! 2nd red flag: "to good to be true?"

We were sold. My wife and I, tearery eyed, with finally finding a place that seemed to care began booking flights from Austin Tx to Detroit MI. My wife was going with my daughter to help her get in. Murry said that would be fine! I booked the flight, and called Murry and informed him that they would be arriving at apox. 7:45pm at DTW. Murry said thats great! we will have someone at baggage with a sign with my daughters name on it, and they would drive them to the center and give my wife a tour.  They boarded the plane from Austin Tx. early morn. destined for    "A Forever Recover."

Arriving in DTW, there was a man there with a sign saying "Welcome Debbie",this is a fictious name, for I don't want to use my daughters. He was surprised to see my wife, he was nice enough, but unprofessional and hence came the 3rd red flag.

He said he thought Debbie was coming alone, my wife informed him that my husband definantly told "Murry" that she was coming.and "MURRY SAID GREAT!" The began making calls, and it became clear to my wife that Murry was upset, and said he did not know she was coming. The "happy tour" of the center would be shortened because of it being so late. Nevertheless, they took off in a co. van. The driver had no real creditals, and began to talk away, on the 1-1/2 hour commute. My wife inquired about "David" whom was our 1st contact with the center. Remember David? We'll he blunted out oh David he Killed himself. Shot himself with a gun. Don't know why. Just did. 4th red flag. I am not judging David, he was personable, young and I liked him, I do not know why he killed himself. I just know, with this lone guy picking up, what he thought to be my 19 year old daughter, alone at nite, out of state, a kid with a drug problem, at an airport,was wrong, it was the main reason for this 3rd red flag. My wife and I thought it to be, to say the least odd, risky, and unprofessional. Including his conversation. Futhermore he was not in recovery. My wife was just hoping my daughter did not hear the part about David. It upset her.

Upon arriving my wife and daughter were escorted inside and began the admit process, my wife had an urge to get up take our daughter our money and leave. She could feel the anomosity from the staff at a late evening tour, she was concerned with the staff. 5th red flag. I will keep this short. Why did my wife leave our daughter? Her and I can only say this. Most with an addicted child mite understand. When you have watched your child die on an ER table, when you have spent countless nites crying and worrying, when you have searched for your child in area's that you never would drive thur at nite, when you get up in the morning and they are not there, and your ritual has become calling the local hospitals and jails to find them, when you watch your daughter go from straight A's to F's when you see her dying before your very eyes, when you are  living this real, dayly, an nitely nightmare, you simply "Want to Believe" so conseqently you do.   and unfortunantly this can become a marketing tool for the       "Soul-Less"

 My daughter was in "detox" for 7 days,  she was never seen by a counseler. 6th red flag. When my wife began to call the center, no-one would return a call. Our daughter was already crying and wanting to come home. My wife called every available number we had, even oh MR>Great! Murry, and no-one would call her back. By the time the day was ending, with at least 4 calls in, she was shaking, with fear.    7th red flag         

I arrived home and seen my wife and I called Murry. He picked up. I swear, it was like a different person. He basically told us to go to hell. My wife picked up the phone and tryed to have an intellegent conversation, and he all but demeand her. Arrogance and defensiveness  was his manner.  We asked him to check on several things for us and he finally aggreed too, including find out why our daughter hadn't contacted us, and he said he would and hung up. We waited for 2 hours, it was apox 9pm by now and he did not. I called and got an operator, she said he went home...I began looking on the internet and found many complants, from parents whom had a similar expirences, getting very concerned, I called back, protending to be an attorney, and We finnally got a call back from a Holly. 8th red flag    We began looking at booking a late flight to Mi. in the mean time..

"Holly" called me and began to try to explain thing away. We began insisting that we hear from our daughter. Holly explained that she was gone to a spirtual type retreat we later learned was in a man's apartment. We voiced our concerns and Holly was as good as David and Mr. Great! Murry. She began to tell us what we wanted to hear. Although when Holly metioned that she had only 1-1/2 years sober and was the employee with the most tenure, it was alarming.  9th red flag.   I must note here that although I believe Murry and others know exactly the game they are playing with addicts lifes, Holly don't, she is being manipulated, in her young, fagil sobiety.

Here again I believe Holly believed her banter, and as a result, we did to, we still stayed in our denial, in hopes of our daughter getting help. after this conversation we asked that our daughter, call us once dayly, to queal our fears. She did. I am going to shorten this. Dayly my daughter cryed to come home, saying it was like highschool, boys sleeping with girls, compitition, no real help from staff, we tryed to hang in there, my wife and I both talking with her about working thur things, and not letting her know, about our concerns about the center, and employees, afraid she would use it to sabatoge her "recovery." Nevertheless as time went on and we found out after almost 20 days , she only seen her "counsler" once, who was not in recovery, we began to break thur our denial and discuss bringing our daughter home....yet there is more, much more.

About this time, I get a call from my daughter and she is crying and tells me of an insident that took place. She had allowed a fellow patient use her ph. calling card. The girl wrote down her calling card number and used all the minuets. My daughter went to confront her and a fight insued. Nevertheless "Holly" called me and informed me that my daughter was being "suspended" for 15 days. I said Holly It is late in the evening, we are in Texas, can it wait till tommorrow? She said no, she would be dropped off at a "safe mission" that nite, in Kalamazoo. I said Holly as far as I am concerned you are writing her death warrant, she is only 19 and only 10 days out of detox, she is in another state, she will be in a less supervised area. Holly is good; she convinced me and my wife to hang in there, that the mission is safe, and she would get the 15 days reduced to 7, and our daughter could come back. Then she said, oh by the way, if your daughter uses, you will have to give us another 5K to detox her.     10th red flag

Again we tryed to hang in there, being convinced by Holly this would work out and the mission was safe. We'll let me keep this short, the 1st day our daughter begged to come, home, Holly begged us to leave her there. We tryed, but after my daughter disappeared for 2 days, having a gun pulled on her, after her cloths being stole. I called the Kalamazoo police department, for help to find my daughter, and for advice. The Office I won't say his name was very nice. He said come get your daughter, he has seen this from the center before and the mission is not safe. It is drug infested....Come find and get her.         

WE BOUGHT A ONE WAY TICKET TO MI. TO GET OUR DAUGHTER, IF SHE MUST DIE, WE WILL LET HER DIE WITH US. NO WE ARE OBVIOUSLY NOT GOING TO ENABLE HER TO DIE. BUT NEITHER WILL WE LET SOME GREEDY ASS, TREATMENT CENTER KILL HER.

MY DAUGHTER FINNALLY CALLED FROM A HOTEL, MY WIFE AND I CRIED, AND SHE IS ON HER WAY TO GET HER. AT THIS POINT UNTILL SHE IS SAFE WITH HER MOM, I WILL BE APREHENSIVE. MY WIFES PLANE WILL LAND IN DETROIT AT 4:32PM 4/28/10    MY DAUGHTER IS TO CONTACT HER. I AM WAITING.....

MORAL OF THIS STORY "IF IT SOUNDS TO GOOD TO BE TRUE, IT IS" 

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#1 Consumer Comment

my prayers are with your family

AUTHOR: standfree - battle creek (USA)

I am so sorry that you had to go through this drama, when you finally made a life changing decision for you daughter.  I check this website daily, and will continue to do so until they are closed by the state.  I hope that you are able to find a suitable place for your daughter.  I will continue to offer my support to everyone that suffers from the mistrust in a fradualant "A Forever Recovery."  Every story on this website is similiar, why doesn't the state close it down?
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#2 Consumer Suggestion

Media Attention

AUTHOR: M.Cate - Bridgeton (USA)

Paul I am sorry to hear about the stress and worry this facility caused you, your wife and your daughter.

Your report is so similar to others, I too ( like Standfree) check and follow all reports on "A Forever Recovery" in the hopes that they will be closed down.

I am a former "client". I lasted about 3 days there  before I realized their game and got myself out.  My report is on this site as well.  They try and muscle people into silence by signing contracts that forbid them to talk about their experience there.  Now THAT is also a red flag!

This place is a scam.  Plain and simple. I was there.  I experienced first hand every "flag" you mentioned. 

Other Rip-Off by A Forever Recovert reporters have stated that they filed with Attorney General Office of Michigan and I hope to see a class action suit someday.   In the meantime, media attention ( local and national) needs to be brought to this facility.  I fear the  Attorney Generals Office is not moving fast enough and one of these young clients will one day die from being "dropped off" at a hotel or "mission" by this unscrupulous "treatment facility". Their saleman David may have had his conscience get the better of him. I met David when I was there.

Also, like Standfree - it boggles my mind that this place is allowed to continue to operate. 

If any attorneys are reading these reports, please note the standard M.O. of dropping unhappy or protesting clients at hotels or missions without notification to the families and then charging another 5000.00 to re-admit them. It is a set up.  With absolutely NO regard for the clients well being. 

 


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#3 Ex-Employee

same scam, same idiots

AUTHOR: dutchsiu - webberville (USA)

this place is a death trap.  If the horrible living conditions, and horrible food cleanliness dont kill you, the unprotected sex with staff will.  please do your research before sending your loved ones there.  search stonehawk, a forever recovery, forever recovery.  treatment should not cost $24000.  most treatment centers have a detox program.  detox is based on medical needs, and length of stay is based on that.  doctors and nurses check on you daily. this shithole makes everyone stay 7 days in a "withdrawal house," careful play on words, that you may never see a md or rn.  i could go on.
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#4 Consumer Comment

Former Client

AUTHOR: 667845 - (United States of America)

I first would like to start by saying that in addiction, a person is known to lie, cheat, steal, and manipulate, and to be a professional at it. A month ago, i completed the A Forever Recovery program.

When i first got to detox, i too was disgruntled, i was sick from detoxing, and i was angry as all get out at any and everyone that crossed my path. The detox setting is a nice setting though. It is its own facility so you are surrounded by people in the same stage as you. They provide 2 clean hot tubs, one for males and one for females, a smoke shack for sheltered smoking, a gym, a sauna, 2 lounges, a 24 hour nurse station, a help yourself kitchen, with 3 meals served a day, as many massages as wanted through out the day by the nurses on staff, and even a game room. The biggest complaint i have about the detox facility is that the beds were on the uncomfortable side.

Detox is all about relaxing and getting through detox, there is no counseling nor phone calls because it causes added stress!! the last thing a detoxing addict needs, at this stage addicts are already planning their escape and craving their DOC like crazy. Stress is kept at a minimum for the addicts!!

**Note : I only spent 3 days in detox. arrived saturday night, left to the actual AFR on tuesday afternoon.  Amount of stay at Detox is solely based on how long you take to detox and your medication ween. My bill after detox, after insurance : $873 not 5K.

When i was brought over to the actual AFR facility, i jumped at the first chance ot pull out my lying and manipulation skills, called my parents, told them every lie i could think of, that they brainwashed people, the staff wasn't helpful, it's like high school, the staff is perverted, ect. luckily my parents had read into these behaviors and knew to EXPECT them!! THey told me to tough it out for a week. i told them i was leaving the next day.

Considering that was my FIRST day at AFR, and i arrived at 4pm, i had not met my counselor yet, as they too have lifes and a normal work schedule. The next day my counselor found me and we had our first meeting were she explained to me how the counseling worked, discussed my fears, discussed the program and got to the bottom of me wanting to leave. she convinced me to give it 2 weeks. which i am indeed more than greatful for.

Your first week you are still on a semi detox program where you spend an hour in the sauna. you are then free for a few hours, then you have one class to work on a "blue book" where you are asked over 300 questions about you life from childhood (as in first memory) to present day. this process is hell!! but only while doing it. once finished, you choose a facilitator, whom is also an addict in recovery, to go over your book with. you share, and they share with you their story as well. after this is done, you are given the choice to either A.) keep b.) shred or c.) burn your answers in a fire. this process is to pull all the pain youve endured in your out, to get you to a.) feel it while answering questions b.) deal with it by talking about it and c.) let it go by destroying it.

After this, you are then put into the MRT process, which consists of 12 steps, and a grace, but much different from normal 12 step programs.

This is where you will notice a change in your loved one!!

If you choose to put your loved one in this facility, then please stand strong in trusting the program until they have reached this stage. Which is the start of week 2. At this point they have a red book, where they are given 16 chapters to read and answer questions about. this took me 3 days to complete as iw as still eager to get out quickly and get back home to USE again. i was still lying to my parents, but there were also wheels turning in my mind and certain things starting to settle within me.

by then end of week 2 i had presented step 1. which is done in an MRT group of your choosing (womens, mens, or co-ed) Step 1 is honesty. this is where i let out all the lies i had told, the ways i had hurt people, ect. its when i learned to start telling the truth in order to get honest responses and to feel the freeing feeling of being honest about any and everything. this is also where my lying stopped. i still wanted to get out quick, but i had stopped lying to my parents about the stupid things i had been. Not until Step 3 (opposition) did things fully sink in, and i accepted where i was, and began enjoying it. Step 3 is a big step. If you are not noticing changed by beginning of week 2, into the actual AFR program, then yes, began to ask questions and worry a little. but until your loved one has COMPLETED and PASSED step 3, please dont pull your loved one out. give them a fighting chance in their addiction, no matter how much they whine and complain and lie and manipulate you. STAY STRONG. that's your part in your loved one's recovery at this point.

As to the part about the mission, when you enter AFR you are sat down with the CBO and they explain everything about the program, how things work, and most importantly the rules. you sign a paper agreeing to abibe by the rules. they have a "write up" system where breaking a rule results in a write up, a certain number of write up's results in that consequence, untimately teaching your loved one "you choose the action, you choose the consequence" only certain violations result in being sent to the mission, which are posted all around the facility, and explained and presented to your loved one.

These things include fighting, bring drugs into the facility, making alcohol such as "hooch" ect. NOW, while i was there there was a "hooch" incident. only the people who LIED about being involved were sent to the mission and only for 5 days. the people who came clean and were honest recieved lesser punishments. when the incident broke out, the staff was righto n handling it and getting rid of it to protect the sobriety of others. other actions include sexual activity, or walking out on certain punishments. Sexual activity is not allowed, the people who your daughter said were having sex, had to go to great lengths to achieve that, consider men and women bunk on different floors and there is always someone watching the cameras. no men on the womens floor and no women on the mens floor.

As for counseling, there has been many times my counselor and others, have come in at late/early hours to help deal with a clients situation when in need. counseling is offerened to everyone at a minmum of once a week. as for my counselor personally, she checked on all of her clients daily before leaving, offered family counseling as many times as needed, and even did a few group session counseling activitys on sunday for us, note these were not like the one on one sessions, but more about empowering us as humans and to teach us we are still worth as much as we were before our addiction, as well as teaching us how to manage our lives in recovery and the struggles we may endure. when i asked my counselor, she moved me to twice weekly. as well as keeping an "open door" whenever she wasnt in session, to come up and talk, vent, or even just cry.  my last week at AFR, i saw my counselor everyday, scheduled,  and an additionally from her checking on me, and going up on my own when feeling overwhelmed about LEAVING. yes i came in begging and pleading  to leave, and left begigng, pleading, and even crying to stay.

If you have an issue, of any kind, there is ALWAYS someone there to help you. The entire staff is great, even house keeping will sit down and listen if they become who you can confide in. there are multiple case managers, counselors, security, CBO, nurses, and facilitators there to help.

Every night excluding weekends, there is some for of religious track to attend, from faith to indigenous to holistic. and if religion isnt in your loved ones interest, they can attend NA/AA or CBT.

there are multiple classes that are manditory to attend through out your week as well to teach your loved one how to cope, handle recovery, handle triggers, learn to communicate, anger management, music therapy, ect.

I am a completely changed person thanks to AFR. i have built life long relationships and a support group there. i honestly owe my life to this facility and will defend it til the day i die. i still have a relationship with many of the clients, and staff members, even including my counselor whom i still use as a counselor. I spent 2 months in treatments at AFR, which were the best 2 months of my life, the 2 months that ultimately saved my life.

To anyone who thinks they care about money, I spent 2 months there. i could have got out in 1, but the staff slowed me down as they did not feel id be ready that soon.  My ending bill? $873. From the labs run at detox to check me for any diseases i may have so that they could treat me if i had had any. Only because the hospital that ran the tests, didnt accept my insurance.
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#5 Consumer Comment

False Advertising

AUTHOR: M.Cate - Bridgeton (USA)

Nice try at damage control marketing "Author", but your entire story is fiction, beginning with how "nice" the detox shack is. Also, No insurance company will cover A Forever Recovery because it is not an accredited facility.  Your final bill is thus a fantasy as well.

Admissions must be slow to have hired you to write this marketing ploy.

Parents and families - do NOT send your loved one to this facility!

If you are seeking inpatient services, please make sure it is an accredited rehab facility.
Call you insurance company and health provider to help you select a facility and try and do it locally, so you can be close to and visit your child or relative while in treatment and be apart of the experience as well as be assured of their safety.

A Forever Recovery is neither safe nor professional.

It is slick, scientology inspired operation designed to quickly separate you from your money.
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#6 Consumer Comment

Sounds like executive director

AUTHOR: dutchsiu - webberville (USA)

Sounds like Pam Anderson is back to writing fake experiences again. There is no detox at that place. They call it a withdrawal house, Scientology speak for place to be put on vitamins. This place is a scam. I personally have filed complaints with state, and wonder why this place is still scamming. It should be a red flag for a place that has little to no. local people as clients, and all the clients are from out of state. That means they have bad reputation locally. They are the only inpatient treatment center that uses MRT therapy. Ask the about success rate, they will tell you its high, when all other treatment centers in the USA are around 15%. Its easy to claim high numbers when you pass everyone. Good try Pam and Per.
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#7 Consumer Comment

Yes. I agree the report is an inside job.

AUTHOR: M.Cate - Bridgeton (USA)

Someone is writing scam rebuttals all ove the internet and I agree that Anderson and Wickstrom are  probably behind them.

Actually, it does them more harm than good, because they acknowledge their off the wall approach.

I mean seriously, what other treatment program do you know that "punishes" their clients by sending them out of the center to a "mission" or a hotel.  And all accredited programs allow phone calls during the detox phase ( albeit limited time.) At AFR - you are not allowed access to a phone, UNTIL they have gotten their full upfront money ( usually about 10k) and their no refund/no litigation against them, contract signed.

It is really more of boot camp  - not an treatment center.

I will not rest until they are exposed and shut down.

I am now writing to the media to investigate them, as the attorney general seems to have no interest.
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#8 Consumer Comment

Are you KIDDING me?

AUTHOR: mad-as-hell - Coeurd''Alene (United States of America)

Apparently you work for Narconon.  How dare you act as if this is a legitimate program.  I couldn't even read the rest of your silly letter.  I also will write a complaint about Narconon with pictures to back it all up!  I has almost finished when I lost internet service, but it will be coming within a matter of minutes.  Say "Hello" to your fellow workers at Narconon!
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#9 Consumer Comment

SERIOUSLY....???

AUTHOR: mad-as-hell - Coeurd''Alene (United States of America)

You must be an employee of Narconon!  My son was a "student" for 4 months.  The facilitiess are absolutely horrendous!  I have pictures to prove it.  There is NO medica staff at all.  There is no psychological services at all!  Students can sneak off to the bar at night and sleep with whoever they want. No supervision what-so-ever!  I am tired of staff and other people people who have been paid by this sick organization to make these posts!
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#10 Consumer Comment

AFR's new evil twin BDR "Best Drug Rehab"

AUTHOR: Anonymous - (USA)

The newest addition to the A Forever Recovery (aka AFR or Forever Recovered) scam is
>>Best Drug Rehab<<  or BDR .  

These disgusting facilities are run by former Narconon staff.  They falsely billing the living daylights out of insurance carriers, AND charge unknowing families extra $$ (usually unnecessary) on top of good insurance. If you have ssen the rooms then you know they're far cry from a clinical hospital setting - yet insurance companies are being billed for private hospital suites. 

Alert!!!!!  Keep your eyes open for the third coming soon to another city in MI. Name TBA.....
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#11 Consumer Comment

David whom??

AUTHOR: Anonymous - (USA)

The "David" you reference in your personal account, do you remember his last name or any distinct details about him?
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#12 Consumer Comment

David whom??

AUTHOR: Anonymous - (USA)

This "David" you reference in your personal account who allegedly killed himself, do you remember his last name or any distinct details about him?
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#13 Consumer Comment

Commenter #4 "Former Client"

AUTHOR: BattleCreekCrusader - (United States of America)

With regards to commenter #4 "Former Client"

This sounds like Holly or one of the other, ha ha, "higher ups". There is no way a real former client would spew such tripe. 99.9% of people would be embarrassed to admit to having bought their garbage for a full stay. I've been there, I know. Stay away from this pig pen and their psychopathic administrators! The so called facilitators are worse than the clients.
Three days in that h**l house is enough to scare anybody straight.
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#4 Consumer Comment

AUTHOR: Chrisybridg - (United States of America)

This is a quote from the “HAPPY” AFR client:
 
Its funny you say this about a drug counselor:
"Considering that was my FIRST day at AFR, and i arrived at 4pm, i had not met my counselor yet, as they too have lifes and a normal work schedule."

My husband a 34 yr old man was also a client of AFR and had the same things to say. First of all NO CONSELOUR would not come to great a new ADDICT to their facility because they have a life too... i hope you understand how pathetic that sounds.

You are saying the same crap that my husbands counselor said to me and his mother before I drove to come pick him up. Go to a real drug rehabilition center and compare it to your AFR and you will see why you guys run a joke SCAM over there at AFR. STOP TRYING TO GET PEOPLE TO BELIEVE YOU RUN A TRUE REHAB FACILITY. ALL THE EMPLOYEES THERE ARE BRAIN WASHED BY THE OWNERS TO BELIEVE THE CRAP THAT COMES OUT OF THEIR MOUTHS. THE FIRST PEOPLE YOU TALK TO THAT GET YOU TO REGISTER ARE SALES PEOPLE THAT GET A COMMISSION IF YOU COME TO AFR. THAT IS NOT HOW A DRUG REHAB IS RAN.

ITS ONE BIG SCAM TO GET PEOPLES MONEY AND THEY HIRE THEIR EMPLOYEES RIGHT OUT OF THIER OWN PROGRAM WHICH IS WHY ITS SO EASY TO BRAIN WASH THEM. THEY ARE NOT QUALIFIED EMPLOYESS AND THEY ALL HAVE ADDICT ATTITUDE PROBLEMS. NONE OF THEM ARE PROFESSIONAL INFACT THEY DON'T EVEN KNOW HOW TO BE PROFESSIONAL BECAUSE THEY WERE ADDICTS ALL THERE LIVES SOME RECENT ADDICTS.

IF YOU SEND YOUR LOVED ONES THERE JUST KNOW THAT THIS PLACE IS A BUSINESS TRYING TO MAKE MONEY. THEY TELL YOU EVERYTHING YOU WANT TO HEAR TO GET YOU IN THE DOOR AND THEN AS SOON AS YOU REALIZE WHAT YOU SIGNEd YOUR LOVED ONE UP FOR YOUR MONEY HAS BEEN DEBITED AND THEY TURN INTO THE REAL ADDICTS THEY REALLY ARE. They don't return calls, thier nice attitudes go away and their true colors shine through.
 
THIS PLACE LACKS, PROFESSIONALISM AND COMPASSION. THE FIRST COUNSELOR YOU TALK TO IS JUST TRYING TO GET HIS COMMISSION OFF YOU AND EVERYONE ELSE CAN CARE LESS ABOUT YOU. ONCE YOURE THERE 7 DAYS THERE IS NO REFUND. AND THAT’S THE BEST PART BECAUSE DURING THAT FIRST 7 DAY PERIOD YOU ARE NOT ALOUD TO USE THE PHONE AT ALL AND IF THEY DO LET YOU CALL HOME THEY HAVE THE OWNERS SON IN THE ROOM WITH YOU WHILE YOU ALL TALK ON SPEAKER PHONE. BEWARE OF THIS PLACE ITS ONLY A MATTER OF TIME BEFORE ITS SHUT DOWN FOR GOOD. IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS I WOULD BE HAPPY TO HAVE MY HUSBAND TELL YOU ABOUT HIS 7 DAYS THERE. MY FAMILY IS NOW OUT $11,000 BECAUSE OF THEIR LIES TO GET US THERE. JUST KNOW THAT THIS PLACE IS A BUSINESS TRYING TO MAKE MONEY. THEY TELL YOU EVERYTHING YOU WANT TO HEAR TO GET YOU IN THE DOOR AND THEN AS SOON AS YOU REALIZE WHAT YOU SIGNED YOUR LOVED ONE UP FOR YOUR MONEY HAS BEEN DEBITED AND THEIR TRUE COLORS SHINE THROUGH.
  
PLEASE DO NOT SEND YOUR LOVED ONES HERE FROM ONE AMERICAN TO ANOTHER… There are plenty of rehabs out there that actually care about their PATIENTS not clients - as AFR would call you - that have time to great you when you come in - their lives/busy schedules do not interfere with your recovery. A drug rehad should not be a business with sales reps that answer the phone when you call so please keep that in mind when you talk to Jamie or any other sales rep that may work there now. Jamie was our rep..

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#15 Ex-Employee

Former Employee's Insight

AUTHOR: TheWolf - (United States of America)

I am a former employee of A Forever Recovery.  I was there for numerous incidents that appear on the Ripoff Report site.  In fact, one of the reports said I was reprimanded and fired by upper management, which was not true, I was there two months following the incident.  Even this original post, I was there for.

A Forever Recovery is NOT Scientology based.  They are NOT Narconon.  They are a family run business. The policies and procedures that were implemented were down over time and with input from numerous employees that had nothing to do with Scientology.

The 'withdrawal house' is not five star accommodations.  It is a house where the staff does their best to ween your loved ones off of their addictions.  Could it be better?  Absolutely.  But you're not paying for a resort and as such, you're not going to receive that treatment.  From what I have last heard, they have actually purchased a separate building for withdrawal, but I can't confirm that.

The employees are not and were not corrupt Scientologist disciples.  They were people like me, who were given a chance to help make a difference and save lives.  We were not paid the best, and we worked our tails off.  If there was that much money that they were scamming, the employees would've been taken care of better.

The medical staff IS a medical staff, and if you ask for credentials, every one of their nurses can provide it.  And the unqualified counselors that you are referring to can show you their Masters degree, they are plastered up as proof so that people don't assume...

The program, if followed and adhered to by the clients, is stellar and a solid, very well organized system.  I have nothing but praises for the program because I have watched it save lives.

Now, for my feelings on management.  I am not liked at AFR.  Due to the aftermath of my resignation, which included battles over unemployment and money owed, I was not allowed to communicate with any staff because I fought for what I thought was right.  I still feel that I was treated unfairly, mainly due to not receiving the money back for the certification that I paid for that I was promised when I left.  I do not work for AFR and I will not work for AFR again.  I have nothing to gain from this post, but I have nothing to lose either.

A Forever Recovery is not paradise.  AFR has done some shady things to their employees, and keeping your job seems more like a high school popularity contest.  However, they have a solid program that can save lives, I have witnessed it and so have many others.  They are unfairly bashed by a few disgruntled former clients/family members.  Remember, you have sent an addict to rehab... the same addicts that have often times manipulated and took advantage of you.  If they don't want help, what makes you think they won't manipulate and take advantage of you to get out of rehab?  Stop being manipulated!  Go find the graduates, the ones who made it and continue to be successful, and base it off of them.  The program is solid, the staff is qualified, and the purpose and dedication is there.  Hold up your end of the bargain now, and get your family help.  If AFR isn't your choice, fine, go elsewhere, but base it off of facts instead of vendettas.
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#16 Consumer Comment

boy the lies keep coming

AUTHOR: dutchsiu - webberville (USA)

wow, our serial propaganda writer keeps going. Research the owner,Per W. and Pamela A., and you will find that they have made substantial donations to scientology.  so if you do not know that they are associated with them, you are really just a fake poser poster, or so neive in recovery that you must have been right out of rehab.  Lets talk Narcanon(scientology) and A forever recovery."


ok, Narcanon/A forever/ the new scam use:


 vitamin packets(a mixture of vitamins with no proven help to addicts


 withdrawal house (a house run by addicts with no "rn" to "detox".  look up detox, and you dont get       


withdrawal house


Do not believe in psychiatry no pills allowed while there, no Prozac, SRII's, antidepressants, nothing, i know what the poser will say all places do not use xanax, barbs, etc. that is true, but you will never find a reputible place that does not believe in psychiatry


use of sauna  belief that it helps cleanse you


security treatment centers may have guards, ie.  at a hospital, but not people that go around and check on you, those are called aides, or substance abuse assistants not security


price  you
  could go to the 2nd oldest treatment center in the nation for a cheaper price than forever's


mind games  they use cult-like tactics to scare people, and recent grads like a cult does, for deceit


false advertisement  for pete's sake, they pay to put their name everywhere.  why is that?  because they have a bad reputation locally while it may help someone, like a broken clock that is right two times a day, or a placebo effect.  it's not from the horrible building, fake classes and $25,000 charge.



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#17 Consumer Comment

boy the lies keep coming

AUTHOR: dutchsiu - webberville (USA)

wow, our serial propaganda writer keeps going. Research the owner,Per W. and Pamela A., and you will find that they have made substantial donations to scientology.  so if you do not know that they are associated with them, you are really just a fake poser poster, or so neive in recovery that you must have been right out of rehab.  Lets talk Narcanon(scientology) and A forever recovery."

ok, Narcanon/A forever/ the new scam use:

 vitamin packets(a mixture of vitamins with no proven help to addicts

 withdrawal house (a house run by addicts with no "rn" to "detox".  look up detox, and you dont get       

withdrawal house

Do not believe in psychiatry no pills allowed while there, no Prozac, SRII's, antidepressants, nothing, i know what the poser will say all places do not use xanax, barbs, etc. that is true, but you will never find a reputible place that does not believe in psychiatry

use of sauna  belief that it helps cleanse you

security treatment centers may have guards, ie.  at a hospital, but not people that go around and check on you, those are called aides, or substance abuse assistants not security

price  you
  could go to the 2nd oldest treatment center in the nation for a cheaper price than forever's

mind games  they use cult-like tactics to scare people, and recent grads like a cult does, for deceit

false advertisement  for pete's sake, they pay to put their name everywhere.  why is that?  because they have a bad reputation locally while it may help someone, like a broken clock that is right two times a day, or a placebo effect.  it's not from the horrible building, fake classes and $25,000 charge.

any other poser posts?






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#18 Consumer Comment

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AUTHOR: Schmoozed! - Nixa (United States of America)

I had a very similiar situation at this place April 2012.  Has anyone had any luck with recouping their significant monetary loses from this business? Does rip off revenge work? I would like to get some money back as well as put this place out of business.
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#19 Consumer Comment

To Schmoozed

AUTHOR: Chrisybridg - (United States of America)

My husband had a horrible experience there as well and is looking to speak with others that had a same experience. He left there in January. Please email me at (((ROR redacted))) to get his contact info he would like to speak with you about AFR and your experience. I look forward to hearing from you. Thanks.

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#20 Ex-Employee

CREDENTIALS MY REAR!!!!!

AUTHOR: second mom - battle creek (United States of America)

Dear Ex- employee,You obviously never asked the so called nursing staff to see their credentials. They are MEDICAL ASSISTANTS NOT NURSES LIKE THEIR BADGES SAY. THE MEDICAL ASSISTANTS THAT WORK THERE ARE NOT EVEN CERTIFIED NOR REGISTERED. EVEN THE NURSE SUPERVISOR IS JUST A MEDICAL ASSISTANT WHO IS ALLOWED TO ORDER DRUGS FOR PTS WITHOUT A REAL PRESCRIPTION. THIS PLACE IS A REAL SCAM AND ITS NO WONDER THEY GO THRU SO MANY EMPLOYEES, REASON BEING THAT PEOPLE WHO ARE TRUELY THERE TO HELP OTHERS DONT WANT TO BE INVOLVED WITH THEIR SCAMS.ASK ANY OF THE NURSING STAFF WHO HAVE BEEN FIRED FROM THERE I BET WE ALL HAVE THE SAME STORIES. I DONT KNOW THE NAMES OF PAST NURSING STAFF, BUT WOULD LOVE TO TALK TO SOME OF THEM.


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