• Report: #571570

Complaint Review: CELEITA KRAMER - SECOND WIND ADOPTION - CROSSED SABERS FARM

  • Submitted: Thu, February 18, 2010
  • Updated: Fri, May 25, 2012

  • Reported By: madperson — st. marys Pennsylvania United States of America
CELEITA KRAMER - SECOND WIND ADOPTION - CROSSED SABERS FARM
jockey camp road Internet United States of America

CELEITA KRAMER - SECOND WIND ADOPTION - CROSSED SABERS FARM second wind adoption horse adoption, non-profit Internet

*General Comment: Nice try Celeita

*General Comment: People need to understand Celeita's job and REAL History

*Consumer Comment: She is still at it...

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Celetia is nothing but a smart "horse trader"  she has figured out how to resell horses over and over without having to pay for them.  Previous owners who donate horses tell her that horses are lame or that they dont want them bred and she adopts them as sound or as breeding stock!  Original owners have sent in horses that have congenital defects telling her not to breed them and she then adopts them out to breeding farms.  Donors send in horses that have navicular or terminal arthritis and she then adopts them out as riding horses.  She does this so that you can return them so that she can adopt them out again!   Sometimes getting a higher fee for them and also omitting any physical or training problems that you have found out.  She also does not carry a nonprofit status with the IRS as noted on her site.

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#1 General Comment

Nice try Celeita

AUTHOR: Aprilrazz - (U.S.A.)

I am sure you know Celeita for longer than that. I bet you see her every time you look in the mirror. Also are you really touting the Women in the Military memorial? Funny how you think this is such a big deal that you want to brag about it. Hell I am in there as well. Took a whopping 5 minutes online to get in. What's next? Are you going to say you were honored with membership in together we served? I saved lives while I was in the military, a lot more than you have. But I am not bragging about it.

I stand by my previous statements that you are defrauding donors and I am pretty sure that you are embelishing about several other things as well. Including your exploits in the military. Some of us know more than you think we do.
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#2 General Comment

People need to understand Celeita's job and REAL History

AUTHOR: Know The Truth - (United States of America)

I've known Celeita for 30 years and Crossed Sabers / Second Wind for 16 years and have adopted and donated to them. I have been on her farm, volunteered for years and know the quality care she gives to all the animals.



She works for the horses, not people. She testifies against criminals cheating people by selling horses and lying about them, she goes in with many sheriffs into neglect cases to remove starved horses and testifies against them in courts of law, she has to remove horses that are being starved by people, she makes criminal complaints against people hurting horses and small animals. She also has to tell people no to their adoption applications when they are dishonest on their application and all these things make people mad. She's been operating for 16 years in this capacity so tell me if all these things were true, why has she not been arrested, investigated, charged, or even sued by people that she suppposedly cheated. She's never had any of those things happen. She has even had to fire volunteers and employees who has hurt horses and when she finds out they do not care about the animals but are only there for 'whats in it for them'. She is against slaughtering horses and our pets and pro-slaughter advocates lie about her too because they know she hurts their business is selling horses and cheating people and sending horses to slaughter just to make money. She has also been an expert witness on many horse cases for personal injury making defendents mad that she has proved they were unsafe and put people's life at risk by bad horse management. She has been the key witness in several grand jury cases where people were frauded by conartist having to do with horse sales and Celeita again, helped put them in jail. These are people that have cheated people and hurt horses and Celeita helped put them in jail and they are mad about it. If they really had a case, why don't they sue her? That is what people do when they have a real case. You see, they don't because they are wrong and lying about a woman and a program that has put over 2000 horses into homes and over 500 small animals and tracked them for life in their homes.



In reality Celeita is a 23 year veteran as an Army officer and helicopter test pilot, and with a glowing military record. She is a military hero using a helicopter to save lives, she has numorous military and civilian awards, she is in the Womens Military museum in Washington, DC, she was in the Smithsonian institutes display on Women in Aviation, she was the youngest woman to ever be inducted into the WV Womens Hall of Fame, She has been named Woman of the Year, one of the most outstanding American Women, one of the 5000 most outstanding Women of the World. Go to her website and see the 16 years of her work, the years of Happy Endings, the Rescued horses that she has helped, the many dogs she has put into homes. Go to volunteer and actually see the farm and their care. www.crossedsabers.com These people have hurt horses and people and they want Celeita to go away and close down, why? Because they know people like Celeita stands for something, for the right, the truth, for caring for horses and not lying and cheating others for money and when you stand for something, you do end up having bad people that do not like you. The horse industry needs someone like Celeita, she goes out of her way to educated adopters and all horse owners about horses and about these bad people that are out to cheat others in order to make money. See the truth, she is experienced, educated and focused on helping horses. No horse trader watches their horses in their homes for years, horse traders takes your money and disappears. She is always following up to make sure they are okay, always accepting them back if people can not keep them, no matter the age or condition of the horse and many times they come back to her in horrible condition and she takes them all in, gets them healthy which costs hundreds, sometimes thousands of dollars with her high level of care. These people should be sued for liable and for all the damages they have done to Celeita and her program because these bad people have hurt their work and hurt how much they can help horses, in fact Second Wind is close to closing down because of these on line lies. For years, we have all tried to convince Celeita to sue them for the millions this program has lost because of these lies, she does not want to. why? Because she is concerned about how much time it will take away from helping horses and small animals that need help, because of the number of horses that will be slaughtered and the number of dogs that will die in a shelter during that time. Even after all these crazy lies, she is still focused on helping the animals that need her. Don't listen to liars and to career criminals, to conartists that make a career out of hurting people and horses. See the facts.

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#3 Consumer Comment

She is still at it...

AUTHOR: Aprilrazz - (U.S.A.)

She is still claiming that you can write off your donations. After checking the IRS site there is still no mention of Second Wind or anything related to it. Do not send donations and expect to legally write off anything!
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