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Complaint Review: NUVOH2O - INTERNET Internet

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NUVOH2O TOTALY MISSREPRESINTING THIER PRODUCT ON T.V. & INTERNET BOLD FACE LIES I CAN'T BELIEVE IT!!! INTERNET

*General Comment: Joel in #25 is in error

*Consumer Suggestion: Solution for NUVO H20

*Consumer Suggestion: Solution for NUVO H20

*Consumer Suggestion: Battelle Report as Requested by David M...

*General Comment: Wow, would you look at all the "rave reviews" since I pointed out that no third party report was provided.

*Consumer Comment: (((REDACTED))) Study is out the product works great. Study results are on the company web site.

*General Comment: Where's the beef?

*Consumer Comment: NUVO H20 is an INCREDIBLE product

*Consumer Comment: Works for me

*Consumer Comment: Current Nuvo owner

*Consumer Comment: GREAT EXPERIENCE WITH NUVO H20

*Consumer Comment: I LOVE MY NUVO H20- repeat… I LOVE MY NUVO H20

*Consumer Comment: NUVO ROCKS!!!!!!

*General Comment: forgot to mention

*General Comment: nuvo h20

*Consumer Comment: Waiting!

*Consumer Comment: Tests Results

*Consumer Suggestion: 3rd Party Testing

*General Comment: Working with well or very hard Water

*Consumer Comment: Basic science negates the claims made for this product

*Consumer Comment: Nuvoh2o Lies and Misrepresents Facts

*General Comment: you should try it before you complain about it

*General Comment: Six months have passed

*Consumer Comment: I own a Nuvo sytem

*Consumer Comment: Citric acid for cleaning/water softening.

*General Comment: Facts against NuvoH2O?

*General Comment: Nuvo

*UPDATE Employee: nuvoH2O - The True Facts

*UPDATE Employee: nuvoH2O - The True Facts

*UPDATE Employee: nuvoH2O - A Great New Product in Today's Market

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I have been in the water treatment installation service and repair industry for 37 years. I have seen allot of snake oil come and go but this one really takes the cake.I can't believe that they let people put this kind of crap on the T.V. & internet without checking them out first.

If you go to their web site and click on the video about their product within the first minute the totally lie about what their product does and slamming other time tested products that actually do something good for the consumer. It would only take me a few tests and some basic sience to totally blow these people out of the water!!!!!!!!!

I f their is a lawyer out their who wants to make a name for himself this is an easy one. Their is allot of companies out there who would back you up 100% water treatment is a increasingly important industry and people like this give the real people a bad name. Why don't they go back to selling vacuum cleaners door to door!!!!

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#30 General Comment

Joel in #25 is in error

AUTHOR: Turboman - (USA)

POSTED: Wednesday, July 26, 2017

Citric acid used as a cleaner by itself is not a good cleaner but will buffer an alkaline solution as needed.  It can be used to neutralize residual chemical on surfaces in a final rinse but will also damage any and all calcium based stone tile like marble, travertine, limestone and all grout.  Of course the grout will come clean if you dissolve the grout there's no place for the soils to bond so you do clean aggressively at the expense of the grout.  Slowly disappearing grout is not really good cleaning.  In the right dilution a buffered cleaner will clean well nearly any surface including carpet and other textiles. 

 

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#29 Consumer Suggestion

Solution for NUVO H20

AUTHOR: Dianna - (USA)

POSTED: Tuesday, August 23, 2016

Title: Solution for H20 Relationship: Consumer Suggestion Update: I am a potential customer who is investigating whether I want to purchase NUVO H2O. I have to say that with all these complaints and rebuttals, it makes it very confusing for a new potential customer to make an educated decision on whether to purchase the product or have faith in the brand. To Jayson the employee Manager of Development for NUVO H2O in comment #25 and # 26, who responded to the Janitor/manager's comment #24. I would like to suggest a solution: To me it would be straight forward to answer this janitor's concern, and anyone inquiring about how your product works, to put out the scientific proof in a published document using citric acid chelation to lower the ph of hard water to neutral and as a result this process makes the water not to "bond" to these minerals in the water which makes it soft in a special easy to read format. This scientific document must be placed on your website and additionally must be added anywhere and everywhere, from scientific reports, to scientific magazines and articles. Also include University Web articles and newspapers and well as on janitor's Web sites and in their magazines and the same with plumbler web sites and magazines and with Univeresity alunmi magazines Construction and DIY magazines and Web sites relating to plumbing or the housing market and DIY markets. On the site HGTV etc. I have experience with advertising and branding. Branding is huge, because people that have long histories of experience in an industry and have never heard of chelation or citric acid as being strong enough, doesn't mean they are not ignorant. It just means they have not been informed. Blaming the consumer is not the way to go for the brand / company. Let's get the proof out there so it is a respectable, well recognized brand, and the proof that it works is right there next to the brand NUVO H2O. Making sure that it is YOUR BRAND that is in every EXPERT MAGAZINE, WEBSITE, DIY SITE, CONSTRUCTION SITE OR ADS, AND IN EVERY BIG BOX AD, MAGAZINE . ALSO SPONSORING EVERY HGTV INTERNET SITE OR PROJECTS AND EVERY DIY INTERNET SITE OR PROJECT. MAKE SURE THE BRAND IS USED IN EVERY ONE OF THEIR TV SHOWS AND USED ON THEIR DIY PROJECTS, OR BIG BROTHER TV SHOW , AND FIXER UPPER SHOW, OR FLIP OR FLOP TV SHOW PROJECTS ETC. I AM EXPERIENCED IN BRANDING SO WE NEED TO GET ON TV SHOWS SUCH AS RACHEL RAY AND NATE BERKUS show ans other DECORATOR SHOWS!!! MY MIND IS RACING. FOR ADVERTISING FOR YOUR BRAND!!! People need to be educated on your brand and the science behind it! The Janitor is just an example of this uneducation which is the company's issue, not the customer. ESPECIALLY if it is not clear where to find the info.. The brand / company/ NUVO H20 has a responsibility to the customer to make it easy to find the science behind the brand and the "Value Added Proposal Offered by the Product to the Customer." Otherwise the customer won't see the value in the product! Use this janitor's concern as a learning experience, in that this idea has been his history of 30 years of experience, which should be respected I might say. People have only their own unique life experiences that they bring to the table. These are called "frame of references " and this janitor's frame of reference is his professional opinion which has lead him to believe that the "Value Of" ( for him to buy citric acid over another product) Citric Acid To Lower PH or Alkalinity has been historically to him, "Not Stong Enough" to Lower the PH of HARD WATER AND MINERALS!!! THEREFORE, WE THE NUVO H2O BRAND HAS A RESPONSIBILITY TO POTENTIAL CUSTOMERS TO PROVE THAT CITRIC ACID AND THE CHELATION PROCESS, WHICH MOST PEOPLE HAVE NEVER HEARD OF, IS STRONG ENOUGH TO LOWER THE PH IN HARD RUSTY MINERAL FILLED WATER. MY ONLY "FRAME OF REFERENCE" WITH CITRIC ACID IS THAT I HAVE EATEN IT IN LEMON FLAVORED CANDY AS A FIRST INGREDIENT. TO ME THIS POSSIBILITY MEANS THAT CITRIC ACID MAY NOT BE STRONG ENOUGH. UNLESS IT IS "PROVEN SCIENTIFICALLY" TO ME. AND LET US NOT FORGET THAT THE CHELATION PROCESS MIGHT HOLD THE ENTIRE KEY TO THE WHOLE PROCESS OF MAKING CITRIC ACID STRONG ENOUGH . BUT I NEED MORE EXPLANATION OF THE BINDING PROCESS AND HOW IT EFFECTS THE WATER TO MAKE IT SOFT AND HARD WATER FREE OF MINERALS THAT CAUSE RUST ETC. THE JANITOR AND OTHERS NEW TO THIS PROCESS NEED MORE EXPLANATION IN A SCIENTIFICALLY PROVEN MANNER THAT IS WELL DOCUMENTED THAT GIVES A CLEAR EXPLANATION OF HOW CITRIC ACID, WHEN RAN THROUGH THE PROCESS OF CHELATION, IS DEFINITELY PROVEN WITHOUT A SHADOW OF A DOUBT TO BE STRONG ENOUGH TO DECREASE HARD WATER WITH STRONG MINERALS AND RUST OF 10.0 ph ALKALINE DOWN TO A 7.0 PH. My solution is that if you can JUST BE ABLE TO EXPLAIN TO THE PUBLIC WHO INQUIRES WITH PROVEN SCIENTIFIC EVIDENCE THAT CAN BE READ AND EASILY FOUND, both How and Why Citric Acid, which is an edible chemical, is able to be strong enough to make hard minerals like lime, calcium, magnesium and rust soft. After this chelation process, the water is now soft on hair, skin, pipes, appliances, dishes, pots, and pans. The Process of Chelation of Citric Acid explained in a scientific diagram to help people that need a visual, showing why the chelation process using citric acid happens, or how citric acid is strong enough to lower ph of hard water with rust and minerals is necessary as well. Show us scientific studies on the subject, and prove the chemical reaction!!!! Just prove it with science and people will believe it!!! People will come! If you have more success, then I would hope that you would pay me a commission provided that these solutions help you from now on, given the insight into advertising and branding that I have over 26 years of experience in. If chelating citric acid truly softens water, and you can prove it, then I will be the first to sell the product for you and continue to help brand and advertise the product so that it can be a global brand!!!! We can get on The TV Show SHARK TANK if you need money to expand globally. I have a lot of experience with presenting new products to decision makers!!! I CAN ALSO PITCH THE PRODUCT TO QVC OR EVINE OR HSN. I have sales experience and have been a high end producer and super star, rookie of the year in sales. But I must believe in the product and be able to prove it! If I can prove it to customers, then I will go the extra mile to sell it!!! Please contact me after you are able to post the proof online to customers and potential customers and to rebuttals on rip off.com . There are services that can clean up your online reputation. So if you can prove scientifically that your product works, then I will work with the company to clean up your online reputation! I sincerely hope NUVO H2O is able to be scientifically proven for the sake of my hard well water, as well as my being hopefully a potential new customer and finally my hope for the opportunity for a new job that I belive in, and that I can help take your brand, sales, and reputation to the next level!!! Dianna I will be pleased to speak to you email if and when there becomes an exciting opportunity for a new future for myself and your brand/company.

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#28 Consumer Suggestion

Solution for NUVO H20

AUTHOR: Dianna - (USA)

POSTED: Tuesday, August 23, 2016

 I am a potential customer who is investigating whether I want to purchase NUVO H2October and I have to say that with all these complaints and rebuttals it makes it very confusing or a potential customer to make anew educated decision. To Jayson the employee of NUVO H2O in comment #25 who responded to the Janitor/manager comment #24 A solution to me would be to be straight forward and answer his concern about how your product using citric acid chelation to lower the ph to neutral and as a result with your version not allow minerals to be pulled out and into the water or not to "bond" to water. The janitor's concern is that it has been his history of 30 years of experience, which should be respected I might say, is that his professional opinion leads him to believe that: CITRIC ACID WHICH I HAVE EATEN IN LEMON FLAVORED CANDY AS A FIRST INGREDIENT Cannot and Is Not STRONG ENOUGH TO DECREASE HARD WATER OF 10.0 ph ALKALINE WITH STRONG MINERALS AND RUST OF 10.0 ph ALKALINE DOWN TO A 7.0 PH. My solution is that if you can just explain to he and I, and experienced janitorial service manager, and a potential customer respectively Both How and Why Citric Acid, which is an edible chemical, is able to be strong enough. And explain the process showing why the chelation process using citric acid happens, or how citric acid is strong enough to lower ph of hard water with rust and minerals. Show us studies on the subject, or prove the chemical reaction!!!! Just prove it with science and people will believe it!!! And if it is true and you can prove it, then I will be the first to sell the product for you!!! I am have sales experience and have been a high end producer and super star, rookie of the year in sales. But I must believe in the product and be able to prove it! If I can prove it to customers, then I will go the extra mile to sell it!!! Please contact me after you are able to post the proof online to customers and potential customers and to rebuttals on rip off.com . There are services that can clean up your online reputation. So if you can prove scientifically that your product works, then I will work with the company to clean up your online reputation! If you are not able to prove scientifically that the product works to your customers and online, and to each rip off person, and lastly are not able to contact me, then that will be a tell tale sign of a rip off. I sincerely hope NUVO H2O is able to be scientifically proven for the sake of my hard well water, my being hopefully a potential new customer and finally a opportunity for a new job that I belive in and that I can help your company take sales and reputation to the next level!!! Dianna diannakeith64@gmail.com I will give a phone number if and when there becomes an exciting opportunity for a new future for myself and the company!

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#27 Consumer Suggestion

Battelle Report as Requested by David M...

AUTHOR: TheWorldWeMake - (USA)

POSTED: Sunday, October 18, 2015

I am not an employee of, nor affiliated with NUVOH20, LLC.

I do not own a NUVOH20 sytem.

I am considering purchasing a NUVOH20 system in the future and believe that pre-purchase research and reliable consumer reviews are usually helpful. I hope that visitors to this site will find the information below helpful.

The report requested by David M. is available at nuvoh2o.com/media/pdfs/nuvoH2O-Efficacy-and-Consumer-Benefits-Study-Summary.pdf .

The study protocol was developed by Battelle, the world’s largest nonprofit research and development organization. The Battelle Center for Science & Technology Policy is located in the John Glenn School of Public Affairs at The Ohio State University, and is endowed by and works in close cooperation with Battelle Memorial Institute (Battelle). Battelle studies are industry independent.

The report clearly shows that the citric acid delivery system implemented in NUVOH20 products does in fact prevent scale build-up and reverses existing scale.

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#26 General Comment

Wow, would you look at all the "rave reviews" since I pointed out that no third party report was provided.

AUTHOR: David M - (USA)

POSTED: Friday, June 26, 2015

Can it look any more suspicsious than this? Nobody posts anything about NuvoH2O for over three years. I post one questioning rebuttal and "BOOM" suddenly everyone comes here and says, "Oh, I love it; I SWARE!"

Why are these people here - at a fraud reporting site - SWEARing that the NuvoH2O product is just wonderful? Oh, yeah, there is a new negative claim - I saw one, ONE. Maybe, a token gripe is included to try to cover for all of the sudden favorable, oath taking (LOL - where is the notery seal?), "customers"?

Look at the dates people, does it not seem strange that after I make one comment questioning the NuvoH2O EMPLOYEE's 2011 claim about "hundreds of thousands of dollars" being spent on independent third party testing that, suddenly, there should be all this "I love my NuvoH2O water system: "It works just like they say it does, i SWEARs it.... on, on, on the PRECIOUS!!!"

I'd gone to their website before comming here to post my questioning rebuttal too. I can tell you, there was no third party report available on the NuvoH2O website that I saw. I went back and double checked, after reading about it here, and still did not see, and couldn't find it. Sometime after I posted my comment/rebuttal, we get a lot of excited fawning and "very pleased" customers, and a sudden "retraction" from a guy that questioned the product the first time around... back in 2011, who NOW says, "The third party test report is on their website!"

Yeah, right. Never mind the smoke and the mirrors people, the mighty Oz has spoken - Snake oil is real, and will cure all that ails you. The NuvoH2O water system is totally legit too! They swears it... on the Precious!

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#25 Consumer Comment

(((REDACTED))) Study is out the product works great. Study results are on the company web site.

AUTHOR: beef handler - (USA)

POSTED: Tuesday, June 23, 2015

Study is out the product works great. Study results are on the company web site.

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#24 General Comment

Where's the beef?

AUTHOR: David M - (USA)

POSTED: Saturday, June 13, 2015

I take notice that Nuvo has had employees dancing and singing on here of how their product is environmentally safe, and effective in softening hard water. I read where the last employee, (way back in November of 2011), even said the company was paying "hundreds of thousands of dollars" to have their product independently verified. The employee further stated that the third party report would be available in 6 months.

Where is the third party independent report? We're in June of 2015 now. Well over 6 months has passed and, no report is forthcoming.

Did your company forget to pay the third party testing lab researchers to perform the testing? Maybe the report disproved your claims and, you'd rather be silent and thought a fraud than to publish and remove all doubts?

Come now, you said a report was forthcoming: Where is it? If you've told us all the truth, surely the report will back you up but, a promised third party report that doesn't get published when YOU say it will be available tends to prove the "accuser" right. In legal arguments, a claim that is not countered is admitted. You have said you will offer proof but, we see none. Legally, you are essentially admitting the guy that says you are a rip-off is correct.

You are aware of this legal principal of jurisprudence, aren't you?

 

 

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#23 Consumer Comment

NUVO H20 is an INCREDIBLE product

AUTHOR: PaulT - (USA)

POSTED: Friday, May 15, 2015

Under Perjury of Law i certify that i am a real customer, and that I own a NUVO filter and I have no affiliation with the company.

MY NUVO Filter works very well. We had a salt water system prior to owning our NUVO but because of my heart condition, i wanted something else. The other systems either add salt or take out minerals. The NUVO commercial said that it does not take out the minerals and you are not adding salt. I WAS SOLD.

I will admit a bit of skepticism, but after reading that major hotels use the same technology, i decided to give it a try. Also the price was right. ¼ the price of other systems.

We have owned our system for about 6 months. All stains on dishwasher, and sinks disappeared within 2-3 weeks. All dishes came back to normal, no stains at all. Prior to installing our NUVO we had huge stains.

The water tastes great and we have no salt now. I also am very pleased to know that i still get the minerals in my water. Recent studies show lack of minerals cause heart and other health issues.

Do NOT BELIEVE THE fake posts on this website, this system is incredible and it is absolutely the best water system we have had.

STRONG recommendation; BUY THE NUVO, you will be very happy you did!

Very HAPPY customer and fan!

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#22 Consumer Comment

Works for me

AUTHOR: Ghostraveler - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Saturday, March 07, 2015

Installed the water softner with a whole house prefilter have enjoyed a distinct taste difference and a pprofound reduction of hard water, I tested the water before and after installation and noticed about and 80% reduction of hardness.

Less build up in the fixtures and definetly a better feeling of cleanliness after a shower with no itch from dry skin.

I find it interesting that people file a report like this one and never mentioned testing it before and after or any 3rd party tests.

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#21 Consumer Comment

Current Nuvo owner

AUTHOR: james - ()

POSTED: Sunday, January 25, 2015

I purchased a Nuvo system in Dec 2014.  After using a salt soft water system for 20 years, this is how long it lated me before giving up, I wanted to try a saltless system.  I saw the ad for the Nuvo and purchased it.  I am on a well and my water is very hard.  In the past I could always tell if I forgot to fill the salt tank by how hard the water started to feel.  Soaps didn't break down, my hair was stiff after showering, cloths were much stiffer and duller etc.  Always a world of differene when the water was softened with salt. 

I installed the Nuvo and waited to get the results the TV advertising mentioned.  I am still waiting.  It's been 2 months and my water still feels as hard as if I wasn't using any system at all.  I never post anything on any site but after wasting my money on this product which promised many benifits on their TV ad I felt the need to comment because this Nuvo system hasn't done anything they promised, nothing.  I lived with my salt system for 20 years and always noticed a huge difference when my salt system was functioning.  As stated with soft water you only need to use 50% as much soap, every aspect of a shower feels better, cloths come out brighter and softer, no mineral build on faucets etc.

That's all I have to say as an actual user of this Nuvo product, which I was completely tricked into purchasing after watching their TV ad.  Nothing they state on the infomercial is as they say.  Complete lies and a complete waste of money.  What they claim should be illegal and they should be prosecuted for stealing peoples money.  If I did what they are doing I'd probably be in jail.

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#20 Consumer Comment

GREAT EXPERIENCE WITH NUVO H20

AUTHOR: PCT Chris - ()

POSTED: Tuesday, January 13, 2015

Our NUVO H20 Works great. It is far superior to oru old salt system and is 1//4 of the price.

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#19 Consumer Comment

I LOVE MY NUVO H20- repeat… I LOVE MY NUVO H20

AUTHOR: NUVO FAN - ()

POSTED: Monday, January 12, 2015

I LOVE MY NUVO H20- repeat………  I LOVE MY NUVO H20

I Love this product, absolutely love it!!!!

 My husband and I wanted to buy a system that kept minerals in the water but would get rid of the hard water deposits. This system gets rid of stains, hard water deposits on dishware, and works as good, if not better than our old salt system. Our glasses went from ‘caked’ in hard water deposits to looking like brand new. What more could we ask for? ….

**The real key to this system is that you still get the natural minerals in the water. The reverse osmosis systems strip and remove all minerals and take away the “goodness” of the water. Plus they waste tons of water.. I believe they waste about 50% of the water that comes thru the system.

We are ecstatic. The complainer who wrote this doesn’t know what he is talking about so I wanted to write and say how happy we are.

One side note, if I was to say one thing I don’t like it would be that the installation will need to be done by a handyman.. My husband could not do it himself.. It only cost $100 to install.   

The price of these units are dirt cheap compared to the other systems.. I also know that salt water systems are being banned in many states... And huge hotels use the citrus systems.. 

Jillian T.

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#18 Consumer Comment

NUVO ROCKS!!!!!!

AUTHOR: NUVO FAN - ()

POSTED: Monday, January 12, 2015

I AM A REAL LIVE CLIENT. I OWN THE SYSTEM (I SWEAR TO THIS)...

THE NUVO SYSTEM IS FANTASTIC AND HAS SOLVED OUR HARD WATER PROBLEM. NO SALT LIKE SALT WATER SYSTEMS, YOU STILL GET THE CALCIUM AND MAGNESIUM IN YOUR WATER (WHICH SI GOOD FOR YOUR HEALTH) BUT YOU DO NOT GET STAINS (APPLIANCES, SINKS, ETC)

IT ONLY COST ME $600 DOLLARS. NEW FILTER EVERY 4-6 MONTHS.

THIS IS THE BEST SYSTEM ON THE MARKET... THEY HAVE A SIDE FILTER FOR CHLORINE IF YOU WANT ONE ($50 BUCKS)

SALT WATER SYSTEMS ARE GETTING BANNED... AND CAUSE HEALTH ISSUES.

REVERSE OSMOISIS STIPS WATER OF ALL NUTIENTS. AND WASTES WATER...

THIS SYTEM IS FANTASTIC... 

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#17 General Comment

forgot to mention

AUTHOR: bodisat - ()

POSTED: Friday, January 02, 2015

I forgot to mention that water softner's were always considered "snake oil". If you have been in the busness for 37 years, you would fully understand that most people feel the same way about salt as you do about nuvo h2o. Sound familiar? 

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#16 General Comment

nuvo h20

AUTHOR: bodisat - ()

POSTED: Friday, January 02, 2015

I saw the ad, probably going to buy as well. If your going to review something, at the very least stay sober while your writing. 

In 2002, after I returned from IRAQ I took a job as a water softner sales guy. If you sat in the sales room each day, prior to hitting the streets, you would understand that even back then there was a great deal of BS flowing. I even sold a system to my parents for 2K. Results were good. Even after all the BS, the system served a purpose. However, we sold systems that cost about 50 bucks to manufacture for 20 times what they were worth. In my oppinion, water softner systems are and continue to be a "racket". If you read the reviews, its ovbious that all the folks that have been sucking from the "tit" for so many years are just pissed off that something finally came along that allows people to pay what the systems should have cost in the first place. Most of this BS is just folks that have been ripping us off for decades. Remember also that ive been in the sales meetings.... I fully understand the BS we told folks out there. I travelled with a water test kit...I drank the coolade myself. Its my oppinion that if it works...its good. If i can pay a fraction of the cost...and it still works thats even better. Come at me. I sold the "legit" systems for years and Im confident that I can call your BS as well. 

Nothing wrong with new ideas and technology unless they cost the person that has been getting fat on the old ideas and technology...right?

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#15 Consumer Comment

Waiting!

AUTHOR: jondoe - ()

POSTED: Monday, June 09, 2014

You still haven/t answer the qusetion on the 3rd party testing...Where are the test results?

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#14 Consumer Comment

Tests Results

AUTHOR: jondoe - ()

POSTED: Monday, June 09, 2014

To #13's Post:  Update EmployeenuvoH2O A- Great New Product in Today's Market.

Waiting for the results in your third party testing!

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#13 Consumer Suggestion

3rd Party Testing

AUTHOR: Kevin Franz - ()

POSTED: Saturday, May 31, 2014

The director of product development states that they have spent hundreds of thousands of dollars (I highly doubt) on 3rd party testing that prove their claims.  Interesting... for if I spent hundreds of thousands of dollars on 3rd party testing and they confirmed my company's claims I WOULD BE SHOWING THE RESULTS and the 3rd party study!  Why not show the FULL 3rd party reports on your website instead of select constumer comments?  Why not provide a link on blogs like this to the study instead of generic web links that just mention that the technology you are using is one form of softening water?  I and everyone reading this knows why you don't show the FULL report... if it even exists.

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#12 General Comment

Working with well or very hard Water

AUTHOR: tmgdfsm - ()

POSTED: Tuesday, May 20, 2014

I do water softening in Northern Arizona, with water that ranges from 25 to 75 gpg. In my work experience I've noticed that the Nuvo system is great for taking the edge off in the 20 to 30 gpg area. However I've found that only soduim exchange works for the higher numbers.

In testing I've come across that by using a descaler and a 5 micron inline filter, like the nuvoh20, you'll have great water even from a well. However the descaler costs $2000 plus.

Anyone wanting to try the Nuvo system I would suggest getting your water tested first.

Lastly I have questions for any Nuvo employees.

First off I'm curious what the difference between the Nuvo head is and a regular inline filter head. Besides the $700.

Secondly I'm curious if filter changes vary depending on GPG. From my experience I've known customers who've had to change their filter as soon as 3 months after install.

Any responses I'd greatly appreciate. Thank you.  

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#11 Consumer Comment

Basic science negates the claims made for this product

AUTHOR: karlschneider - ()

POSTED: Monday, March 03, 2014

It isn't necessary to "own" a perpetual motion machine (which is of course impossible) to evaluate claims that clearly violate the laws of chemistry and physics which might be made by someone selling products that appear to do precisely that. 

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#10 Consumer Comment

Nuvoh2o Lies and Misrepresents Facts

AUTHOR: Benjamin P - ()

POSTED: Sunday, December 08, 2013

The Nuvoh20 advertising on TV states "MAINTENANCE FREE".  This is a complete and BOLD FACE LIE.  After you spend a rediculous price for the system you will need to replace cartridges on a regular basis.  That is MAINTENANCE....like getting your oil changed in your car, it's "maintenance."

Buyer beware, you can purchase a water softening system from Home Depot today for less than $400 and the cost of operation is pennies a month....way cheaper than the Nuvoh2o system, both from a purchase standpoint as well as ongoing operation.  

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#9 General Comment

you should try it before you complain about it

AUTHOR: magnusfl - ()

POSTED: Monday, July 29, 2013

 I had the Nuvo installed with a pellican carbon filter and love it as it working as good as my old salt system with out all the headakes of salt so in my view better

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#8 General Comment

Six months have passed

AUTHOR: Roger - ()

POSTED: Sunday, June 02, 2013

The gentleman that stated an independent review would be completed in 6 months (which has passed), would you comment or show the results of the tests? Also, what company did the testing? 

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#7 Consumer Comment

I own a Nuvo sytem

AUTHOR: Marty - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Tuesday, October 02, 2012

After a year and a half of owning the Nuvo system (whole house version), I offer some comments about this product.

In August of 2011, my house remodeling was completed, including all new flexible plastic plumbing. I also opted for a Norit tankless water heater. As my well water is high in calcium and magnesium and slightly alkaline, I knew that I would have to provide some form of treatment for my well water as it had historically caused major scaling in my old water heater, dishwasher, and fixtures (sinks, faucets, etc.).

Unfortunately, the plumber associated with my builder forgot about testing for hardness, but recommended the installation of the Nuvo system based on similar projects in my immediate area. This became an issue after about a month of living in the new home, using the Nuvo system. At that time, I began seeing increased scaling on my new fixtures and even some plugging of shower head water holes. At the same time, I smelled a sulphur-like smell in the water, especially in hot water. This was new to me. I hadn't had this problem before the rebuild.

I did a little research and decided that the smell was likely caused by iron bacteria. This was backed up by seeing a dark, slimy coating that started to appear on the particulate filter just ahead of the Nuvo system, as well as on the Nuvo cartridge itself. After contacting the well drilling company, I was prompted to shock my well system by adding and recirculating about 2 gallons of chlorine to my well.

The treatment worked, but with it came a large amount of sluff from the bio slime that was killed. I had to clean out (flush) my lines repeatedly to remove the bio slime. I replaced the prefilter and the Nuvo cartridge since I believed that the bio slime was also blinding the cartridge and would prevent the filtered water from contacting the solid citric acid reagent in the cartridge, and that would prevent the citric acid from being dissolved in the water.

I still noticed, even after the clean out, that I had a return of scaling, and ultimately a return of the sulphur smell. Rather than repeating the whole house shocking again via chlorinating the well, I decided that I may have a localized bothria problem, probably residing in the well pressure tank (iron bacteria is notorious for being hard to kill because of the bio-slime, a waste product of the bacteria, prevents chlorine from reaching the actual bacteria and killing it). So I opted to replace the pre-filter and Nuvo cartridge again and see if just operating the system would flush the rest of the bacteria out over time.

I now seem to have control over the bacteria. However, I was not completely convinced that the descaling was working too well since I still had some powdery scale build up on the exterior of fixtures, in the sinks where water would evaporate, etc. On advice from Nuvo, I replaced the standard cartridge with a high capacity cartridge that would increase the amount of citrus acid dissolved in the water. I soaked my shower head in vinegar to unplug the water holes, and put everything back into service. That was about two months ago.

So here is what I now know and what I think about the system.

The inside of my flexible, new plastic piping looks completely clean. Also, the piping connecting to my shower head is very clean, which is the best indication that I am not having scaling in my Noritz tankless water heater (thank goodness).

That being said, I do find that wherever water is allowed to evaporate - like when I finish squeegeeing my shower and some water remains, some powdery scale is left behind. This makes sense to me since chelation only maintains solubility - once the water evaporates, the dissolved solids would be left behind. It's not much but it does require cleaning, although less than without the Nuvo system.

I believe the iron bacteria was an artifact of having my water well and pressure tank turned off and stagnating for the time it took to rebuild my house. Once the iron bacteria was gone, the Nuvo system works, with the limitation of leaving a small amount of powdery residue wherever water is left to evaporate. Even in those areas, like the bottom of my dishwasher, the scale is really just a power and not the hard, almost rock-like crust that used to develop before I had this system.

I also believe that the filter cartridges must be replaced more frequently than the 50,000 gallons advertised because there always be some level of blinding that the cartridge will undergo after a long time on-line (the last little bit of the cartridge will become essentially unusable).

Finally, I believe the system does work, just not perfectly. It is cheaper than adding salt to a conditioner even considering a four month replacement time frame (as opposed to about six months given the 50,000 gallons of use as advertised) for the cartridge. And the water taste is excellent with no trace of citrate or anything else - just my good well water.

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#6 Consumer Comment

Citric acid for cleaning/water softening.

AUTHOR: Solitaire - (USA)

POSTED: Sunday, September 30, 2012

Let me preface this by stating that I currently do not own a NUVO water softener/treatment system, however I do plan on purchasing 1. There's an old home cleaning suggestion regarding the use of 1 scoop of Tang (regular, not diet) for cleaning your dishwasher of hard water spots along with your glasses and dishes. The main ingredient of Tang is citric acid. I have been doing this for over 30 years with outstanding results, so if using citric acid is a scam for neutralizing alkalinity I would like them to prove to me why it hasn't been working all these years and it's a figment of my imagination. Most anybody with a fifth grade education or higher knows that if you add acid to an alkali they will bind with each other and neutralize. Calcium & lime are both alkaline and are the main ingredients of hard water.

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Facts against NuvoH2O?

AUTHOR: Joel1962 - (United States of America)

POSTED: Saturday, June 30, 2012

I am not , nor have ever been an employee of  NuvoH2O, or any affiliated business.

I do not own or have ever owned a Nuvo system.

I have (no longer) worked for a large big box home improvement company for over 15 years and have used many different cleaners that have claimed to treat hard water stains.

My experience:  I have found the most efficient way to clean hard water surface stains is not found on any cleaning aisle, or even a janitorial supply store, but at your local grocery store. Go down the aisle where the kids powdered drink mixes are found. What you want to look for is the UNSWEETENED lemonade packets. It can be a name brand or house label. Do NOT use the pre-sweetened  or diet style lemonade powders (these all have unnecessary sweeteners in them and cost significantly more). If you are looking at the right stuff you should be seeing it for about ten cents a packet.

If you look at the list of ingredients you will see the first one is citric acid (additionally are small amounts of flavoring and food coloring). To use as a cleaner on any hard surface; simply wet the powder with a small amount of water to make a paste or runny gruel and rub over the stained surface. Let it set for a short period and rinse off. You will be surprised with the results.

Unlike hydrochloric, sulfuric, and or phosphoric based cleaners this is a food grade product safe around children and pets.

You can also dilute it in water and soak shower heads, coffee pots, toilet bowls and tanks, or even cycle through your washing machine (dont do this with clothes. Remember it does have food coloring). For larger volumes you may want to add an additional packet or two. It also seems to work more quickly with warmer water temps except when using as a paste/gruel).

I share this because I want the readers of this thread to understand why I question the original protest. What specifically is false and/or misleading? What specifically is a boldfaced lie?  I also failed to find one single instance of  anywhere on Nuvos website slamming other time tested products. All I read here is a completely unsubstantiated accusation.

I mention the household solution of the lemonade powder in rebuttal to mattmanagers (#4)  experience and opinion that citric based cleaners will not work. I disagree.

Note: I believe the difference between the lemonade powder and other home solutions such as vinegar and bottled lemon juice is the fact that liquids are pre-diluted to a 5% acidity level. Using it straight you can not increase this level. Whereas the powder you are in control by how much water you add.

Bottom line: I have been using this cleaning method for over ten years and have always wanted a means to do something similar to the interior of my water heater and pipes. The Nuvo system seems like it might do just that. What I want is anyone to show me (with facts) why this doesnt/wont work.

Thank you,
Joel

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Nuvo

AUTHOR: mattmanager - (United States of America)

POSTED: Sunday, June 24, 2012

You made the comment that it's a scam. I can see your point. I have been in the janitorial chemical business for nearly 30 years. Understanding the PH scale, 7 being neutral getting truely hard water that is going to be an alkiline upwards of 10 or more citric acid is too weak to bring that number down to a 7 or below. We have experimented with citrus cleaners and they do not have the chemical strength required to cut anything that is truely a hard water stain etc. I was in charge of all the janitorial at a large phamacuetical manufacturer. The ones that made the little blue pill. And the only attraction to citrus cleaners was that it was a green product. Green means don't do a thing!

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#3 UPDATE Employee

nuvoH2O - The True Facts

AUTHOR: Jayson - nuvoH2O - (United States of America)

POSTED: Tuesday, November 29, 2011

Im the Director of Business Development at nuvoH2O.  I would be more than happy to answer any questions about our nuvoH2O system and how it works.  

The gentlemen claiming he understands how our systems work is obviously associated with salt-based water softeners or in other words ion-exchange systems.  He states that we are misrepresenting our product on TV & Internet but he doesnt go into detail how?  He also states that he can use basic science to prove our system doesnt work.  We would welcome any type of science based testing of our systems and how they work.  We do agree that the water softening and water conditioning business is filled with snake oil salesmen.  So many companies that claim they can effect hard water issues but fail to deliver any facts or test results.

Weve actually conducted our own independent testing proving that our systems lower the pH level and grains hardness.  Weve also paid hundreds of thousands of dollars to 3rd party independent groups to test and measure how our systems work. Our system is actually based on basic 5th
grade scientific principles of pH levels and Chelation.

It sure is easy to jump on a website like this and slander any company you would like without any ramifications.  This gentleman is just stating unproven and misleading facts in the hope of making us look bad. He has no proof or figures to back up his claims.

Traditional water softening systems are completely focused on removing the minerals from the water. For years this has been the traditional way to treat hard water issues used by salt-based
water softening companies.  These types of systems are actually being banned in counties and cities in California.  Unlike the gentleman who fails to state any facts to back up his claims Ive attached articles below with more details on the ban of salt-based water softeners in California.

http://www.lacsd.org/info/industrial_waste/chloride_in_santa_clarita/default.asp

http://articles.latimes.com/2009/jun/26/business/fi-culligan26

http://www.wholehousewaterfilternow.com/banning-salt-based-water-softeners/

Our situation is different than typical water softening and water conditioning systems.  Our systems in fact does use a basic scientific principle in which organic compound, chelant, binds with the minerals in the water to make them soluble and wash away freely from your body, hair, dishes,
kitchen and bath surfaces, and plumbing. Many shampoos and other detergents commonly use the same type of process to overcome hard water in your wash and bath. We use an FDA approved, food-grade chelant that conditions all the water in your home. Its healthy for you, your plants and the environment. This process focuses on balancing the pH level of the water to a neutral point.  When the pH level of the water is balanced the environment created doesnt allow minerals to stick and bond to appliances, pipes or skin.  The best part of our process is we can test and measure the results.

You see the Chelation process doesn't focus on removing the minerals. With our system the minerals remain in the water but they can't bond or stick. This way you receive the effects of a softener without having to use the ion-exchange process.  Our cartridge housings are NSF certified and all our scale control cartridges are NSF certified for general purpose scale control. We meet the NSF standard 42 & 169 for general scale control.

I found the following information on Wikipedia under Water Softening. It states in Chelation that Chelators are used in chemical analysis, as water softeners, and are ingredients in many commercial products such as shampoos and food preservatives. Citric acid is used to soften water in soaps and laundry detergents.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water_softening

The information above supports our Chelation process and how citric acid is used to soften water in water softeners, soaps and laundry detergents.

Additional information on Water Softening and Chelants was also found on Wikipedia under Chelation.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chelation

What we offer with our systems is a natural solution to hard water. 85% of the country has hard water issues. That 15% without the hard water problems are cities such as Seattle, WA or Bangor, ME. The reason they dont have the hard water issues isnt because their ground water doesnt contain minerals like calcium and magnesium. Its because their water has a naturally low and balanced pH level.  Our Chelation process naturally lowers the pH level of the water creating an environment where minerals cant bond or stick.  This is why we advertise ourselves as a better water to soften water. Our Chelation process allows our systems to control scale and reduce the effects of hard water just as well as ion exchange / salt-based water softener.

We understand that salt-based water softening companies and their clients will continue to challenge our company and what we do.  We will do all we can to answer any questions anyone has about our process.  I hope we have shown that we are not trying to trick or deceive anyone. This Chelation process has been used for nearly 30 years in the commercial market to control scale and condition water for restaurants, hotels and healthcare facilities throughout the country. We offer a 90 day money back guarantee and a limited life time warranty on all of our systems.

If anyone has comments or questions that would like to discuss please contact us directly.

888-367-9542

 Sincerely,


nuvoH2O Director of Business Development

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nuvoH2O - The True Facts

AUTHOR: Jayson - nuvoH2O - (United States of America)

POSTED: Tuesday, November 29, 2011

Im the Director of Business Development at nuvoH2O.  I would be more than happy to answer any questions about our nuvoH2O system and how it works. 

The gentlemen claiming he understands how our systems work is obviously associated with salt-based water softeners or in other words ion-exchange systems.  He states that we are misrepresenting our product on TV & Internet but he doesnt go into detail how?  He also states that he can use basic science to prove our system doesnt work.  We would welcome any type of science based testing of our systems and how they work.  We do agree that the water softening and water conditioning business is filled with snake oil salesmen.  So many companies that claim they can effect hard water issues but fail to deliver any facts or test results.

Weve actually conducted our own independent testing proving that our systems lower the pH level and grains hardness.  Weve also paid hundreds of thousands of dollars to 3rd party independent groups to test and measure how our systems work. Our system is actually based on basic 5th grade scientific principles of pH levels and Chelation.

It sure is easy to jump on a website like this and slander any company you would like without any ramifications.  This gentleman is just stating unproven and misleading facts in the hope of making us look bad. He has no proof or figures to back up his claims.

Traditional water softening systems are completely focused on removing the minerals from the water. For years this has been the traditional way to treat hard water issues used by salt-based water softening companies.  These types of systems are actually being banned in counties and cities in California.  Unlike the gentleman who fails to state any facts to back up his claims Ive attached articles below with more details on the ban of salt-based water softeners in California.

http://www.lacsd.org/info/industrial_waste/chloride_in_santa_clarita/default.asp

http://articles.latimes.com/2009/jun/26/business/fi-culligan26

http://www.wholehousewaterfilternow.com/banning-salt-based-water-softeners/

Our situation is different than typical water softening and water conditioning systems.  Our systems in fact does use a basic scientific principle in which organic compound, chelant, binds with the minerals in the water to make them soluble and wash away freely from your body, hair, dishes, kitchen and bath surfaces, and plumbing. Many shampoos and other detergents commonly use the same type of process to overcome hard water in your wash and bath. We use an FDA approved, food-grade chelant that conditions all the water in your home. Its healthy for you, your plants and the environment. This process focuses on balancing the pH level of the water to a neutral point.  When the pH level of the water is balanced the environment created doesnt allow minerals to stick and bond to appliances, pipes or skin.  The best part of our process is we can test and measure the results.

You see the Chelation process doesn't focus on removing the minerals. With our system the minerals remain in the water but they can't bond or stick. This way you receive the effects of a softener without having to use the ion-exchange process.  Our cartridge housings are NSF certified and all our scale control cartridges are NSF certified for general purpose scale control. We meet the NSF standard 42 & 169 for general scale control.

I found the following information on Wikipedia under Water Softening. It states in Chelation that Chelators are used in chemical analysis, as water softeners, and are ingredients in many commercial products such as shampoos and food preservatives. Citric acid is used to soften water in soaps and laundry detergents.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water_softening

The information above supports our Chelation process and how citric acid is used to soften water in water softeners, soaps and laundry detergents.

Additional information on Water Softening and Chelants was also found on Wikipedia under Chelation.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chelation

What we offer with our systems is a natural solution to hard water. 85% of the country has hard water issues. That 15% without the hard water problems are cities such as Seattle, WA or Bangor, ME. The reason they dont have the hard water issues isnt because their ground water doesnt contain minerals like calcium and magnesium. Its because their water has a naturally low and balanced pH level.  Our Chelation process naturally lowers the pH level of the water creating an environment where minerals cant bond or stick.  This is why we advertise ourselves as a better water to soften water. Our Chelation process allows our systems to control scale and reduce the effects of hard water just as well as ion exchange / salt-based water softener.

We understand that salt-based water softening companies and their clients will continue to challenge our company and what we do.  We will do all we can to answer any questions anyone has about our process.  I hope we have shown that we are not trying to trick or deceive anyone. This Chelation process has been used for nearly 30 years in the commercial market to control scale and condition water for restaurants, hotels and healthcare facilities throughout the country. We offer a 90 day money back guarantee and a limited life time warranty on all of our systems.

If anyone has comments or questions that would like to discuss please contact us directly.

888-367-9542

info@nuvoh2o.com

 Sincerely,


nuvoH2O Director of Business Development

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nuvoH2O - A Great New Product in Today's Market

AUTHOR: CJ - (United States of America)

POSTED: Tuesday, November 29, 2011

It is amazing to me how this person took the time out of his busy day to file a report about a product he doesn't own, doesn't use, and certainly knows nothing about. I have worked for nuvoH2O from the beginning and I have seen the hard work, honesty, and concern put into this company. I also know, for a fact, that nuvoH2O has used an outside company to test its product and confirm that it works. We have also performed multiple internal testing on all of our products. We have over 30 years proven success in companies like Disneyland, Marriott Hotels, Subway, etc. on our commercial side. We have simply made the same product that we use commercially in these establishments available to everyday homeowners. But, because of people like this, who have nothing better to do than slam honest companies, we are paying hundreds of thousands of dollars to have an outside, reputable company, put their stamp of approval on our product. This outside stamp of approval will be completed within the next 6 months. Yes, I am an employee of nuvoH2O and I can say that I actually own this product, use this product, and love this product. No more salt!!! No more damage to our environment!! (By the way, do you really trust someone who can't even spell?)

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