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  • Submitted: Thu, April 08, 2010
  • Updated: Thu, July 07, 2011

  • Reported By: Rio — Arvada Colorado USA
Scentura Creations, Onyx Wholesale
5783 Sheridan Boulevard Arvada, Colorado United States of America

Scentura Creations, Onyx Wholesale Larry Hahn, Chris Westphal Enter the Legions of Hell and forget all Hope ye who come this way. Arvada, Colorado

*General Comment: An Objective Perspective

*General Comment: Its a personal thing.

*Author of original report: Papa Maroon

*General Comment: A-C-T-I-O-N

*UPDATE Employee: Where are you at Durrrrr

*Author of original report: For Durrrrrr, my hero

*Consumer Comment: Anyone even listening to ^^^^

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Ah, yes. Here we are again detailing an absolutely fabulous rant on why exactly, you, as a job seeker, can stay one millionmiles away from Scentura Creations.

They're from Hell itself.

Liars, scumbags, dis-information specialists, manipulators, mental carnivors, maniacle straight-edgers, and every 300 pound a*****e packed into a cheap suit with a fake tan and hair plugs. Run from this company.

On many of the articles I've authored in this forum, every d**-bag who is a Scentura distributor has often (no, make that always) responded with, 'no, we are not liars and this is a GOLDEN OPPORTUNITY'. Really. Let's start with the LIES I personally experienced:

Lies number one and two: We are looking to hire an OFFICE MANAGER or RECEPTIONIST. The two most common adds a local Scentura Distibutor runs in the local newspapers. OK, I've been an office manager in the past as well as a receptionist. [continued below]....

..... Didquite well with both and made a decent wage. Problem is, they aren't hiring for those positions. What they want are SALESMEN. Why would anybody put an experienced OFFICE MANAGER on the street to learn how to sell their merchendise? SALESMEN do the selling. OFFICE MANAGERS do the managing so the SALESMEN can sell! Hello? Why would they LIE?

Lie number three: You will not be conducting sales. Chris Westphal is big on this one. What a d****e bag. He conveiniently got around that with this ridiculous responce:'what you will be doing is conducting customer transactions. You will NOT be doing sales'. Yeah... out of a card board box harrassing people in Wal-Mart parking lots till oneo' clock in the morning.'Nuff said there. Sounds like SALES to me.

Lie number four: Best"Conductor of Transactions"in the first week will get a $750 dollar bonus.Puh-lease. It's never happened once, and it's never going to happen. This is just another mythical golden carrot they dangle in front of your face that NEVER comes to fruition.

Lie number five: Scentura Creations is going forward with a FIVE MILLION DOLLAR EXPANSION. And you can be a part!Total crap. Chris Westphal has been selling that line since 1996. There never has been a $5 million dollar exspansion. There wasn't yesterday, there isn't today, there won't be one tomorrow. Why would Larry Hahn be so stupid as to put out that kind of money when the scam is already in place? You think that f****r goes to bed thinking about you? You're dreamin' pal.

Lie number six: You can be fabulously wealthy through this GOLDEN OPPORTRUNITY! Well, yes, if you're a sociopath. If you're like the rest of us, you know, somebody who actually cares about other people and total strangers in need... no. If you are really that self-motivated, you could invest $1000 dollars in merchendise from the DOLLAR STORE and hawk that door-to-door. You'd only be out your over-head, and could keep all the money! Why the hell does anybody need Scentura Creations to do that for you and keep your 60% of the profits? And for S****Y PERFUME? Why? Because they are betting you are that stupid. Are you that stupid? I don't think so.

Stay tuned. In my next rant/article, I'll outline how Craptura Creations makes most of their (your) money through the FFAR system.You won't be disappointed. Trust me.


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#1 General Comment

An Objective Perspective

AUTHOR: NickBrunson - (United States of America)

Unfortunately, it seems theres a lot of negativity and
false information circulating the internet regarding Scentura, and I think its
based mostly on peoples misunderstanding of the Scentura Opportunity. I
thought Id post something brief that would help make things clear.



First of all, Scentura Creations is a manufacturer and supplier of rendition
fragrances. They distribute their product line to Independent Wholesale
Business owners throughout the U.S. and have been in business for more than 35
years. Theyre unique in that they provide merchandise without any capital
outlay to these Independent Wholesale Distributors, meaning they dont pay
Scentura until after theyve sold the merchandise. This is key because it
removes a huge barrier of entry into business Inventory costs.



Second, the sales model used by most independent businesses that sell
Scenturas products is that of Direct Selling. Its a business to business,
face-to-face sales strategy that has worked for over 35 years. Its not
glamorous, and its probably not for everyone, but it just works.



Last, and most importantly, Scentura doesn't ask you to invest any money, it's
not a franchise, it's not a pyramid or multi-level marketing business, there's
nothing to purchase, there are no sign-up fees. The only thing required from
you is your time and hard work, and youll get a chance to run your own
business. How many companies out there are willing to offer that?



It probably sounds too good to be true, but it makes sense when you understand
Scentura's incentive: It's a Win-Win scenario for everyone. You get a chance to
own your own business, and Scentura gains a new customer, which means more
volume. If Scentura only dealt with individuals who had hundreds of thousands
of dollars to invest, they'd be waiting a long time,

especially in this economy. So they're willing to take all the financial risk.



Again, this is not for everyone, but the opportunity is definitely real, and
many owners have gone on to make six-figure incomes running their own
businesses that sell Scentura's products.

Please visit the following website dedicated to new business owners that
answered the ad and started just like everyone else: www.RookieOwners.com



If youd like to read more about Scentura Creations, please visit the following
sites:



www.ScenturaCreations.com

www.TruthAboutScenturaCreations.com

www.Larry-Hahn.com



If you have any further complaints, please direct them to
pr@scenturacreations.com



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#2 General Comment

Its a personal thing.

AUTHOR: Miss Boss - (United States of America)

Anybody can do this. But its not for everyone. Anybody wants the America Dream. Not everybody is
willing to make sacrifices. Anybody that runs their own business has paid some dues. It truly is not
easy. Anything worth having takes hard work. As much as I have my harsh words for Chris. I know
better. He does NOTG tie you up and hold you hostage. He shows up on time every day. He gives his
best. He sacrificed to be where he is. He paid his dues. He pounded the pavement and was
given the SAME OPPORTUNITY as we all are given. Iris is the same. Im the same. We all need to be
pushed. He simply understands how to trick you into success or failure. If you cant do this. It is his
job to make you or break you. If you break. Go home, get a job. if your successful. You win. Its
a personal choice. I was his right hand for a good two years. I have not regrets. none. I loved what
I did. I had my limitations. we all do. Its a personal trek. Quit bitching and get to work. If you quit,
he wins, if you succeed he wins. twisted aint it? oh well. Its not for everyone. Choice is a gift. You
get to choose. Larry is real. The colognes. I still use them and feel naked without one in my
purse. I am Awesome at anything I put my mind and hands to. because I succeeded even if it
was only two years of my life. I can say I am a RHINO. I can say I was there. I have no regrets.
He is there. Sacrifice equals rewards. Always. stop bein a wimp and get to work! Ripoff report
is for weak pieces of @#$%!!!!!!
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#3 Author of original report

Papa Maroon

AUTHOR: Rio - (USA)

It's so good to see you again. January 15th is a commin' fast.
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#4 General Comment

A-C-T-I-O-N

AUTHOR: Lionel Cosgrove - (USA)

Durrrrrr's name is Tom. He comes and posts here every month or so talking about how he's not going to post here anymore and is back again later trying in his pathetic, pointless and wasted attempts to defend the Scentura cult. TOM, I've looked through your past posts and have noticed how gradually you're becoming more brainwashed.


I never worked for any Scentura office, I'm in law school, I've already had a great career for years. You see I did it the hard way unlike Tom and Papa. I started out in troubleshooting with Comcast (AT&T Broadband at the time) before college. While in college I did direct sales for Primerica and Vector during my summer breaks. After college I went into Human Resources for a small medical provider of home healthcare and in two years I moved my way up to VP of the department. Three years ago I accepted an offer to become CEO of a small company that specializes in adult education. One year ago I enrolled part-time in Law School. I've had several people tell me first hand about the unethical business practices these Scentura cult leaders engage in.

Did I make as much as these scentura cult leaders claim to make while moving my way up? No. But I did it honestly, without scamming people and I am now making 6 figures and I know a thing or two about running a business.

You see I provide my employees with benefits including health insurance, dental, vision, 401k, disability and life insurance upon hire, Scentura provides none.


I pay all my employees for the hours they work, plus time and half for anything over 40 hours per week, plus bonuses for bringing in new business. Scentura pays only commission.


When we're looking for sales people we advertise for sales people, not managers. Have good sales people been promoted? You bet. But we also have an Accounting department, a Human Resources department, a PR department an IT department plus all our teachers and case managers. I personally would prefer hiring people with experience in their respective fields where as Scentura will bring on any idiot off the street as long as they're easily brainwashed or plain just greedy.


We have a website, an established customer base, all of our sales people are comped for all the miles they drive plus expenses they incur and all my employees have business cards which the I pay for, even the non sales staff. That's pretty much standard at every company nowadays. Accept for maybe food service and retail which Scentura people seem to think is the only other option out there. They probably failed at that and couldn't get hired anywhere else so they got bitter and are now taking it out anger out on fresh college grads. (aka pay dirt).




If YOU have been burned by a Scentura distributor you can take some action against them. Will it take the whole company down? No. Will it work against one office? It can and it has. Will we take down every office? Probably not. Can you get them out of your town? Well that depends on you. 


TAKING ACTION AND GETTING AN OFFICE SHUT DOWN!

The life-blood of these offices is the classified ads. If their classifieds are no longer allowed in the newspapers the distributor will not be able to place their ads and the pyramid will collapse. They will be forced to close down shop and move to an area where the local papers have yet to catch on. The

first thing you have to do is write a letter or email to the newspaper classifieds as well as websites where these ads are placed. Be sure to keep it professional. If you live in a large metropolitan area this could take a lot of work so be patient and stick with it. Read other newspapers classifieds and search other job sites to find more of these ads and send letters/emails to them.


Before sending the letter it is important to include;





If the letter doesnt work, send another more stern letter. Then send letters to other news sources warning them of the misleading ads. This way they wont be able to advertise elsewhere as a back up plan.

Send multiple letters or emails if you have to.
You can find some sample letters in the thread below. They were posted by JD back in 2005. Just know the letters are a bit dated so be sure to make them as professional and up-to-date as possible. There are tons of websites that can give advice on writing good professional letters.

http://www.ripoffreport.com/Sales-People/Platinum-Marketing-I/platinum-marketing-internation-n879d.htm

For testimonials from former employees and owners look in this thread under the poster Noah from Chicago.


http://www.ripoffreport.com/corrupt-companies/essence-unlimited-sc/essence-unlimited-scentura-c-m5f98.htm

Other measures include:




  • Starting petitions



  • Writing your local politicians





    • State Representatives



    • City Councilmen/women



    • Aldermen/women


  • Contacting news agencies
Im open to any ideas!

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#5 UPDATE Employee

Where are you at Durrrrr

AUTHOR: papa perfume - (United States of America)

Two points for you.  Where is your office at?  This dude is the super douch bag when it comes to internet terrorist.  It's funny I've handed out post from this guy as well and all my people just laugh as well.  You should hear some of the nasty things the girls say about him after I bring up wouldn't you like to be in a relationship with this dude. 

But I'd be negative if I was 43 years old, unemployed, and had to look in the mirror at that mug every morning.  Good luck Rio.  Make things happen durrrrr

Good luck and Best wishes to all. 

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For Durrrrrr, my hero

AUTHOR: Rio - (USA)

Is anyone even listening to this guy with the stalker/pyscho killer picture? Whatever your name is... you're not doing yourself any good by uploading a pic of yourself looking like you're mentally unstable.

My name isRio, or did you miss that part? Looks like we missed your picture, and I'm sure your Mama (if you had one) didn't name you, "durrrrrr".

It's almost like we're listening to the mad homeless guy in NY muttering about how McDonald's is a scam. It's just sad.

I don't know that guy. Friend of yours?

Oh well. Btw Chris Wesphal was 14 in 1996. Are you saying that 14 year olds run an office? Your "facts" are full of holes. But then again. No one is reading this except for me and maybe some random person looking for negative stuff.

Thank you for pointing that out. As a correction, make that 2006(back when you were back in Riverside, Chris)Again, thank you. I certainly don't want to gain a reputation for posting lies on the internet. What ethical person would do that?

"Oh i went to this interview and it was fishy so i researched online and I found this site. Thank god I went to ripoffreport.com" I mean that doesn't even sound real.

Oh, it's real, son. What isn't real is you.


Oh and about the ads. The ad I responded to was listed under retail/wholesale jobs.
It said they were recruiting people to learn all aspects of the business to run branches for the company. I learned all aspects and I run a branch. Um, what's the problem?

That's a new one to me. Please reproduce that add here, if you don't mind, and include the phone number.


Most of the people I interview laugh at all of you. You don't realize it because they don't bother posting. I print this stuff out and I let all my people read it. They read what you all have to say and laugh at you. I mean they laugh! Hard!

I realize the dirty tactics played out on the other side of the street all the time, Chris.

Anyone notice the the BBB is on this site with numerous complaints? Same with Dun and Bradstreet. LOL what a joke.

Yeah... that dirty oldBetter Business Bureau. Boy, do they love you. They're such a joke. Along with this site, (((Redacted))), and, oh, let's not forget Wikipedia (dot-com). And let's not forget Mike Barrick, either. Google his name up with your horse s**t company.

Take everything you read on the internet with a grain of salt.

Here's a great big grain for you, Durrrrrr! (uh, I mean Chris).

For those trying "shut down" scentura. Good luck. You can't shut down a business because some crybabies didn't listen to what they were being told. Most of these people have selective hearing. It's a shame for them. This guy is lying about the lies! It's hilarious. No one says this! "you will not be conducting sales" who the hell speaks like that. I was told, "Do I have to do sales? Answer: YES YOU DO!!" I was told to write it down numerous times just so I wouldn't forget it. Very nice! A liar calling others liars.

We don't need luck. We use perserverance. And we get your unethical, and sometimes downright illegal offices shut down all the time. Mind telling us where yours is? I already know. Care to confirm? Didn't think so...

Besides, only a jobless hobo would be on here as much as this guy. Shouldn't you be looking to get a job? Is Scentura really keeping you from getting your new position? Awwwwwwwwww. Boo h*o. It's scentura's fault that I have no job and all I can do is go to a library and type really hard on the computer to get my bull**** point across.

We hobos don't do the internet from the library. They won't let us in. We do the internet on our very expensive laptops and i-padswhile seated in cattle cars on theBee Express Line from San Francisco to New York (free WiFi!)

Looking forward to your nonsensical response. Can't wait for the new pics.
Please more pics of ugly hobo guy! Please!!

Do you mean to tell me I'm not just another pretty face? Maybe I should get my ears gaged. And shave my head. And get some tatts.

The next group of people I recruit need a good laugh.

After they figure out your bulls*** brand of 'business', yes, they will all need a good laugh. A very good laugh. And a few beers. And a real job.

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#7 Consumer Comment

Anyone even listening to ^^^^

AUTHOR: Durrrrrrr - (U.S.A.)

Is anyone even listening to this guy with the stalker/pyscho killer picture?   Whatever your name is... you're not doing yourself any good by uploading a pic of yourself looking like you're mentally unstable. 

It's almost like we're listening to the mad homeless guy in NY muttering about how McDonald's is a scam.  It's just sad. 


Oh well.  Btw Chris Wesphal was 14 in 1996.  Are you saying that 14 year olds run an office?   Your "facts" are full of holes.  But then again.  No one is reading this except for me and maybe some random person looking for negative stuff.

My experience with Scentura has been nothing but straight forward and ethical.  I read through many of these "complaints" and actually spent time to figure out where did all these complaints spawned from.    It all started from a few ppl back in 2001 and 2002 who felt they could shut down the company with this site.   All of the other 500 complaints is just random people saying more or less these words, "Oh i went to this interview and it was fishy so i researched online and I found this site.  Thank god I went to ripoffreport.com"  I mean that doesn't even sound real. 
Oh and about the ads.  The ad I responded to was listed under retail/wholesale jobs.
It said they were recruiting people to learn all aspects of the business to run branches for the company.  I learned all aspects and I run a branch.  Um, what's the problem? 
Most of the people I interview laugh at all of you.  You don't realize it because they don't bother posting.   I print this stuff out and I let all my people read it.  They read what you all have to say and laugh at you.  I mean they laugh!  Hard! 

Anyone notice the the BBB is on this site with numerous complaints? Same with Dun and Bradstreet.  LOL  what a joke. 

Take everything you read on the internet with a grain of salt.

For those trying "shut down" scentura.  Good luck.  You can't shut down a business because some crybabies didn't listen to what they were being told.  Most of these people have selective hearing.  It's a shame for them.  This guy is lying about the lies!  It's hilarious.  No one says this!  "you will not be conducting sales"  who the hell speaks like that.  I was told, "Do I have to do sales?  Answer:  YES YOU DO!!"  I was told to write it down numerous times just so I wouldn't forget it.  Very nice!   A liar calling others liars. 


Besides, only a jobless hobo would be on here as much as this guy.  Shouldn't you be looking to get a job?  Is Scentura really keeping you from getting your new position?  Awwwwwwwwww.  Boo h*o.  It's scentura's fault that I have no job and all I can do is go to a library and type really hard on the computer to get my bull**** point across. 

Looking forward to your nonsensical response.  Can't wait for the new pics.
Please more pics of ugly hobo guy!  Please!!

The next group of people I recruit need a good laugh.
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