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Complaint Review: USA SEO PROS, KJR MANAGEMENT, DYNAMIC WEB PRODUCTS, BUSINESS DEVELOPEMENT INSTITUTE, CLOUD NINE

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  • Submitted: Wed, October 21, 2009
  • Updated: Tue, November 06, 2012

  • Reported By: Jack — Las Vegas Nevada USA
USA SEO PROS, KJR MANAGEMENT, DYNAMIC WEB PRODUCTS, BUSINESS DEVELOPEMENT INSTITUTE, CLOUD NINE
1091 Cimarron Ste 4 Summerlin, Nevada United States of America

USA SEO PROS, KJR MANAGEMENT, DYNAMIC WEB PRODUCTS, BUSINESS DEVELOPEMENT INSTITUTE, CLOUD NINE BDI, Business Development Institute, Kathleen Raskin USA SEO PROS is a complete scam Summerlin, Nevada

*Consumer Comment: Dynamic Web Products, KJR Management, Advanced Search Pros, USA SEO Pros, Find Your Top Search, SEO Company, Business Development Institute, Buildtelligence

*UPDATE Employee: Feels Good current sales rep at KJR HAHA

*UPDATE EX-employee responds: It IS true

*UPDATE EX-employee responds: Not Quite

*UPDATE Employee: WHAT A JOKE

*General Comment: completely untrue

*Consumer Comment: Not true.

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Here is a simple breakdown of how USASEOPROS works:
<!--[if !supportLists]--> 1.     <!--[endif]-->They take your money using a false and misleading sales pitch.   This video walks you through their entire high pressure sales pitch, and provides very good documentation about their business practices , and their long history.  You are lead to believe you are signing a contract for a service that is a quality service.
http://www.seoconsultants.com/usaseopros/scam/
It did not take me but a couple of days doing research on the internet to find they were a scam company.   It was my own fault for not checking them out, before signing the contract.
2. They generate a list of keywords that have a very low probability of ranking well, and are not going to receive any search numbers on the major search engines. I could rank on the first page of Google or any search engine on the internet for the search term green worms that eat rocks and dogs.   I could enter that term into a Google search and if I put that on my site, I would be Number 1.   But who else would search for that term?   This is exactly how they obtain the first page rankings they provide.
As they state in their contract, which they like to hide behind, item #12 states, We will provide the client with a list of geo-targeted key phrases relevant to their business with search results up to 2,500,000.   All key phrases provide do not receive enough searches to be relevant when using the Google keyword tool.
3. They build a bridge page loading with the keywords that no one would search on and content that is merely used to trick Google, but provides no benefit for humans.   Item #10 in the sham contract states, We practice ethical SEO techniques.   The techniques used definitely are totally black hat SEO.   The page is geared to keyword stuffing and every keyword link on the page takes you right back to page you are presently visiting.
4. They measure your site and the performance of the service based on ranks from search engines that are of extremity low quality, most being low traffic search engines and several that are owned by the company. (eg, Jooper, Kajoe and FSN. All are registered under KJR equipment LLC in the Whois listings.)   Its easy to get first page ranking on a search engine of poor quality, you own, and use keywords no one searches.
5. When the metrics that are given is not enough to substantiate the value to the customer, and a customer wants to cancel or charge back, they simple state their policy, NO CHARGE BACKS. The contract only meant to cover up and protect their fraudulent business practices.
Las Vegas BBB rates the company F.  The 36 complaints listed on your web site are just the tip of the iceberg as to the real number of people who have been scammed by this company.   Based on the number of sales calls they make in a day, the numbers are probably in the hundreds. Many more complaints are documented on the internet but did not file a complaint with the Las Vegas BBB.
Their boiler room actually called me two additional times to pitch their program.   Their boiler room sales team has no idea who has already been scammed.   They continue to comb the internet for phone numbers of web site owners on a daily basis.
UsaSeoPro is a scam. This is a company who misleads unknowing customers into thinking that the service they provide is helping the customer's marketability. They should be considered a fraud and should be liable for their actions. They are very good at what they do and are going to continue their practices everyday unless something is done to stop them.
I plan to talk with the Las Vegas Metro Fraud Division. I will find out if they think there is something going on here that is fraudulent.  In addition, Google provides a very good link to the Federal Trade Commission.  They accept complaints into the National data base for use by law enforcement across the United States

This report was posted on Ripoff Report on 10/21/2009 08:11 PM and is a permanent record located here: http://www.ripoffreport.com/r/USA-SEO-PROS-KJR-MANAGEMENT-DYNAMIC-WEB-PRODUCTS-BUSINESS-DEVELOPEMENT-INSTITUTE-CLOUD-NINE/Summerlin-Nevada-89146/USA-SEO-PROS-KJR-MANAGEMENT-DYNAMIC-WEB-PRODUCTS-BUSINESS-DEVELOPEMENT-INSTITUTE-CLOUD-513015. The posting time indicated is Arizona local time. Arizona does not observe daylight savings so the post time may be Mountain or Pacific depending on the time of year.

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#1 Consumer Comment

Dynamic Web Products, KJR Management, Advanced Search Pros, USA SEO Pros, Find Your Top Search, SEO Company, Business Development Institute, Buildtelligence

AUTHOR: TheyAreGoingDown! - ()

They are doing business under an unknown amount or registered and un registered business names. Here are the ones I have found so far:

Dynamic Web Products

KJR Management Company

Advanced Search Pros

USA SEO Pros

Find Your Top Search

That SEO Company

SEO Company

BDI Business Development Institute

Buildtelligence

Web Solutions LLC

That! Company


Next they at least 20+ variations of the
same website with duplicate content offering the same program.

Go to one website
then add or remove https:// from the beginning and magically its a whole different
business they own.

 

http://usaseopros.com/

www.usaseopros.com

http://www.seocompany.com/

www.thatseocompany.com

www.thatcompany.com

http://www.seoconsultants.com

www.findyourtopsearch.com

https://www.findyourtopsearch.com

https://www.advancedsitepros.com/

http://www.topofthefirstpage.com

http://www.topofthesearchpage.com

http://businessdevelopmentinstitute.org/

http://www.buildtelligence.com/

http://www.repmanagement.com

http://www.thatadvertisingagency.com/

http://www.ppcmanagement.com

http://www.thatsocialmediamarketing.com


as well as every .net .org .info ext.

http://www.bbb.org/southern-nevada/business-reviews/advertising-agencies-and-counselors/dynamic-web-products-in-las-vegas-nv-76210

http://www.bbb.org/southern-nevada/business-reviews/internet-services/top-of-the-page-in-las-vegas-nv-82505


http://www.bbb.org/central-florida/business-reviews/advertising-agencies-and-counselors/buildtelligence-in-leesburg-fl-194142206


http://www.ripoffreport.com/search-engine-optimization/usa-seo-pros-kjr-man/usa-seo-pros-kjr-management-5db2c.htm

Principal: Mr. Ken Knorr (President)Mr. David
Couch (Director Sales & Marketing)Mr. Mark
Gray (Director Customer Care)Ms. Tina
Knorr (Chief Financial Officer)
Principal: Kathleen Raskin (Owner)
 
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#2 UPDATE Employee

Feels Good current sales rep at KJR HAHA

AUTHOR: Kjr sales king - (United States of America)

I can sleep just fine knowing that my checks are in the 2500.00 to 3500.00 a week(: because i can make people give me there credit card in a hour period time for 3-5 grand, KJR is the best place i work at, yeah they yell but if you makin that kind of money riping people off who care your the idiot for givin the credit card number in a 45 min to a hour phone call for 5000.00 dollars lol thats your falut hahah but wait then your locked inn hahaha

it feels good at night it really helps me sleep at night to tell you guys the truth, exspect on thursday night because i am gonna cash your money at nevada state bank the next day (:

P.s a fat paycheck!!!
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#3 UPDATE EX-employee responds

It IS true

AUTHOR: VegasTruth - (United States of America)

And if you are still employed here, I don't know how you sleep at night.
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#4 UPDATE EX-employee responds

Not Quite

AUTHOR: VegasTruth - (United States of America)

As a former manager with this company, I can tell you that it IS 100% a S C A M. I've never worked at a more unprofessional company full of meth heads, crack addicts or felons out on parole. The owners ACTUALLY wanted to post job opening at the parole office!! They scam people with a slick talking fast sales pitch that SOUNDS great, but you absolutely DO NOT get what you pay for. Over half of their merchant credit card accounts are suspended because of the enormous number of charge backs. As far as you being a customer and living in the Vegas area?? Nice try. They don't contact businesses local to Vegas for fear of people showing up to the office and demanding a refund. Don't give them a dime!!!!!
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#5 UPDATE Employee

WHAT A JOKE

AUTHOR: Karma - (United States of America)

This company is the biggest joke I have ever seen. I just worked there for 2 weeks and got to see for myself. At first I thought it was a great company. They pay hourly, they pay for lunch, commissions. Not bad for Vegas right? Wrong, these are the biggest slave driving individuals I have ever encountered. Rob Raskin "owner", HAHA, who is not even allowed to manage people by law, let alone run a business.

Mr. Raskin was the owner of a company called "quality home foods", during his time as CEO he managed to rip his employees 401k's off to the tune of $12,000 and try to claim bankruptcy and say the funds went to company bills. LOL, what a joke. This is the reason behind his wife Kathy Raskin having front the company as the owner while BIG Rob calls the shots! During my short lived employment in this boiler room I got to see close to 15 people come and go because they could not deal with the scummy high pressure sales tactics of these animals.

They literally stand over you and make you read the pitch word for word and make you yell at the customer to go to there website before they have time to think and research the company and see all of the bad reviews. Once the customer gets to the website they show them a demonstration of how they can have the key words of their choice linked to their website and proceed to show the customer fake search reports of these keywords so the customer is faked into believing there are all of these searches for these keywords.

Once the customer is completely brainwashed into believing they will be ranked number 1 on all of the major search engines by these key words and get tons of sales from it, they then proceed to transfer the call to a "closer"! HAHAHAHA, This is the BIGGEST joke of the whole operation. These "closers", LOL, who have trouble closing the door behind them, sit in the back like pre-madonas and wait for the openers to "send one over the fence". Once they all fuss about who the lead is going to and who is the best at that particular industry they are given the potential customers information to then proceed to club the customer over the head whit a slew of high pressure tactics and insults and almost force them into pulling out their credit card and buying.

Oh and if you don't have the money they don't care! They tell you that this is so important that you have to borrow the money from someone so you can do it. How does the old saying go? I wish I knew then what I know now! Oh well, chalk another one up to experience. As for the customers that get scammed on a daily basis. I would suggest to keep filing reports with whoever will listen. That is honestly the only chance you have to take these animals down. I'm here to say all of the accusations are true! This is the scummiest company I ever worked for.
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#6 General Comment

completely untrue

AUTHOR: plisken - (United States of America)

  I've used their service for over a year now and theres a few things the complaint misleads everyone about. 

 Keywords. 
   The company generates a list of more then twice as many keywords as you purchased in your package and within a 3 days a representative from their quality control department calls back all new customers and walks them through how to sign into their account with the company, view their own rankings for their keywords which you can freely google for yourself and find exactly on the page listed on google. or any of the other search engines. 

  Oh and during this they walk you the customer through choosing which keywords you want. You actually select which words you want to use from a list, select and save them yourself to your account. If you dont like the words they generated all you need to do is say so before finallizing anything and tell them some you would like and they swap them out for you. This is what I did myself for a few phrases so i know for a fact you can do it if you ask. 

 Google is  the #1 focus of this company and pretty much all they ever talk to you about as a customer. The other searches are nice but you can absolutely get ranked on google very highly, including first page with some of your keywords. They do not "only rank you on engines no one uses and they own". Thats nonsense. 

 Oh and those follow up calls? They are the customer service department trying to show you how to sign into your account to check stuff for yourself and make changes as well as make sure your happy with the service. They can and will talk with you about having a custom website built or additional keywords added to your account. But its by no means necessary. 

  I had one of their sites built for me after a few months as a client and its beautiful and very effective. So just an FYI its a good idea to take a little time and talk with those guys so you can get the most out of the money you spent with the company. 
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#7 Consumer Comment

Not true.

AUTHOR: Anon - (United States of America)

You seem to know quite a bit about SEO and online marketing and I'm curious as to why with your knowledge you would hire a marketing firm. I have seen first hand KJR Management, Business Development Institute, Cloud 9 or whatever you want to call them and from first hand knowledge I must say that your report about them is completly false. The tech team at KJR is rather large and always on top of their jobs. A gurantee is provided with the agreement to ensure a job well done, reports are provided to the consumer to allow them to track their progress in the rankings and why would an SEO company use irrelevant keywords? That just makes no sense, the keywords are actually targeted for specifics to the business they are marketing for. The links in the demo, yes those are real customers and those are their real rankings, call them and you will see, I did.  Sounds like to me that you have competition that you are trying to get rid of.
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