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Complaint Review: St Jude Retreat

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  • Submitted: Sat, January 11, 2014
  • Updated: Sat, January 11, 2014

  • Reported By: adamlane51 — Sevierville Tennessee
St Jude Retreat
9 Market St Ste 4 Amsterdam, New York USA

St Jude Retreat House This Place Is A Joke Amsterdam New York

*General Comment: Don't Blame the Victim

*UPDATE EX-employee responds: St. Jude Retreats Itself is the Problem

*Author of original report: Typical

*General Comment: Delusional??

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 My wife ended up at St Jude Retreat House due to an inability to control alcohol intake. There are pending legal issues as well as medical issues, acute pancreatitis. I also have struggled with addiction in the past and have attended several programs to correct this life issue. I do agree with the approach that St Jude puts out there and wish that they were capable of delivering. I am a successful and proud father of 4 and have learned to do what works for me and stay away from what does not. I was so hoping that my wife would pick up this skill set. She did graduate from the program, however, this is the only positive thing that would come from the experience. I did a lot of research before presenting my wife with this facility.

The staff eased my fears regarding house rules and the structure provided. My wife and I had been together for almost 10 years and had no trust issues prior to her attending this retreat. We are now in the middle of a messy divorce. It turns out that a inappropriate relationship started while she was there with another man. The supervision and division of males and females is not enforced. Also, she was able to spend over $1800.00 at outlet stores and drain my bank account. She skipped the seminars she did not want to attend and laid out by the lake with no repercussions. Pictures were being sent back and forth from her phone at 2:00am of her and other male house guests. Lights out is 11:00pm?

The staff showed no concern when this was brought to their attention. She now has no physical contact with 3 of 4 of our children, and the drinking has not stopped, I am not convinced that it ever did. This is a spa where people are paid to tell the afflicted person what they want to hear and justify their behavior. My soon to be ex-wife still has no accountability for her actions. Also, there is no family healing done at this facility. There are only 2 seminars daily. The rest of the time spent is relaxation and shopping. This place is not an effective option for those who really want to heal. Shame on St Jude Retreat for playing with others lives with no regard for the consequences.

Pay attention to where the reviews you are reading come from. The positive reviews are overwhelmingly from  their own website and entities. Also, they base their success rate on periodical phone calls to the addict asking them if they are functioning by a third party company. Notice they do not ask if they are using because using is not the problem right? Money Scheme. You should buy your loved one their drug of choice instead of investing in this program, it would do less damage...the drug will run out but the ability to justify use will not. Thank you St. Jude Retreat my family lives in fear as a result of you negligence!


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#1 General Comment

Don't Blame the Victim

AUTHOR: Chuck - ()

You're using the old trick of blaming the victim rather than the perpetrators of this scam! The sales people will say anything to sign up customers in order to earn their commissions. Once people pay, it's pretty much sink or swim if they don't get thrown out first on a trivial offence and lose all the money they paid. And it's all their own money because no insurance company will  pay for the substandard and inadequate treatment St. Jude retreats provides.

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#2 UPDATE EX-employee responds

St. Jude Retreats Itself is the Problem

AUTHOR: Howard - ()

The problem is that St. Jude Retreats is unlicensed and doesn't have a single professional on staff. The co-founders operate the retreats as a very highly profitable business for themselves and their families.

Even if they wanted to help people, and perhaps they do, they don't have the necessary education or training to do so. Neither graduated high school and don't know what they're doing. And they don't have any professionals who could enable them to help people. You can get the same results by attending AA meetings, which are free, and save the many thousands of dollars that St. Judes costs.

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#3 Author of original report

Typical

AUTHOR: adamlane51 - ()

Your response exaggerates the more obvious problem, lack of accountability. Just like an addict to blame others for the consequences earned from an out of control addiction. One has to take responsibility for ones own actions, and the consequences of those actions. Have some integrity and be the change. Quit finding reasons not too. When in a facility like this there is a lot of distress and vulnerability and room for errors in judgement. This it's why it is important that house rules exist and are enforced. Especially between males and females. This is why I want to get the word advice like the review or not, I have been in this position before and view these errors of the facility as critical for people to know when considering this facility. lastly, her decision to be unfaithful while at the facility was her decision. This in no way is my fault. Just a continuation of the bad decisions she was making leading up to her needing a treatment facility. Maybe one day she will get the help she needs because she wants it. This facility and its lack of structure is unbelievable.

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#4 General Comment

Delusional??

AUTHOR: Tyg - ()

 I hate to say it but you are a tad delusional buddy. Think what you want, but the reality is that there was a problem with your wife BEFORE she eve attended there. How do I know this?? First, she drank. And from the sound of it, she drank A LOT!! Happy people dont drink. UNHAPPY people do drink. After awhile it becomes addiction. But the main core of the problem that drove them to drink is STILL around. if you have graduated as you have suggested then even YOU know this.

Second, the first REAL chance she had she found someone else. This tells me that to her YOU are the problem. Oftimes WE dont see ourselves as the issue. We want to blame drugs or booze because its easier then admitting there might be something wrong with us. As a man you have a heavy burden. Many times the weight of that burden tends to make us block out the small stuff because to us, its not that important. But to the person with the drinking problem, its earth shattering.

Lastly...awful nice of you to blast the facility. As a graduate, you yourself KNOW that no amount of talking is going to make an addict accept sobriety. THEY have to want it. Be it from hitting rock bottom or just a quick epifany, the DESIRE has to be there to change. Youre blasting the facility for issues that THEY really have no control over. Ok so your wife found a playmate there. SHE is an adult. As an adult she has the RIGHT to make these types of choices. The treatment facility is not there to be a moral compass. Their job is to help get this person clean. But even they can only do so much.

Instead of wasting your energy attempting to place blame. Try instead to focus on YOUR part of the issue. Reguardless of what you think. There IS a issue between you and your wife. Spend your energies attempting to fix this. I understand you are upset and have every right to be upset. But I feel youre blasting the facility unfairly. THEY have not ripped you off. THEY have not scammed you. YOU know this is true. Accept YOUR part in all of this and go forward and fix it.

If you dont want her to be your ex-wife, then drop all that BS anger and HELP HER!!! Stop looking to a treatment facility to do YOUR job. Get your ass out there and take care of that woman. YOU fell in love with HER and SHE with YOU. Obviosly because you got married. Spend your time REPAIRING your marrage instead of just placing blame on the people who are attempting to help her WHERE YOU CANNOT!!

You might try and take her someplace REALLY romantic. Drop the kids off with a sitter and take a week and go to a cabin. Get some ALONE time. Kids can and do put a strain on a marrage. Sometimes the best thing you can do is go someplace so the two of you can reconnect. And do your best to not fall for the baited traps she is going to toss at you. Dont lose your temper, dont argue. TALK!!!! Dont place blame. Dont name call. Dont villianize each other. Obviously you still love her. Now go and prove it TO HER!!!

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