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Complaint Review: I Run Guns LLC - Lake Havasu City Arizona

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  • I Run Guns LLC 3509 McCulloch Blvd Lake Havasu City, Arizona USA

I Run Guns LLC - Hidden fees plus petty cancellation policy means loose loose for Canadian customers - Lake Havasu City Arizona

*UPDATE Employee: Return Policy Clearly Indicated

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I recently tried to purchase a ceiling mounted UTV gun rack (Big Sky SBR-2G) from I Run Guns' American store as their Canadian counterpart did not stock the item. I had ordered firearms from this company in the past and had had no issues, but this was the first time I had ever ordered an accessory. They offered the item I was after for a few bucks cheaper than the best price I could find on eBay so I decided to go with the cheaper option and went through with the purchase, boy was I wrong! The item cost $93.73 plus another $25 for “Express shipping” totalling $118.73 USD. (The eBay item was $95.99 +$10.59 shipping + $21.07 duties up front= $127.65 USD total delivered cost)

After placing the order I was sent a confirmation email stating "once your order has been processed for export you will be notified to log in to your account and pay the GST and Canadian shipping". I was disappointed to hear that they did not take the tax up front (like they do on eBay and as you would expect an importer/exporter to do), but what really confused me was the “Canadian shipping” portion of the statement. It sounded like things could get pricey so I immediately sent their customer service an email. I asked them to cancel the order and refund me in full if there were any further expenses that I had not yet paid for.

The next day I received a call from Jason of I Run Guns, who informed that if I cancelled my order then I would be subject to a 25% restocking fee. I was shocked as I had literally sent the cancellation request within five minutes of placing the order and therefore figured no damage had been done. It was not as if the package had already cleared customs or anything. I kindly requested that the fee be waved in light of this fact and pointed out that I had made a much more expensive purchase (of about $850) in the past and would likely do so again in the future. Jason was unpersuaded and claimed that the automated system had already processed the order and he was not willing to swallow the costs of initiating a refund (like every single other modern business online does).

Frustrated I asked when the expected delivery would be. Jason replied that the item should reach the I Run Guns warehouse in Canada in 3-4 weeks and would be shipped to me from there. He said that all orders are shipped together on the 15th of each month (which means that my order could not have been processed yet as I had placed it on the 8th). This means that if you order something from these guys on the 16th then it won’t ship out for a full month after which (for some unknown reason) it take 2-3 weeks to reach the Canadian warehouse and then another week (plus an additional shipping charge of who knows how much) to make it to your door. This shipping method might make sense for firearms which are probably a hassle to register and get through customs, in which case doing it all at once could be easier, but a simple gun rack should be able to ship immediately directly to the customer as it would from Amazon, eBay and literally any other online store!

I was amazed by the audacity of Jason and whoever is in charge of I Run Guns LLC. They expected people to pay for shipping an item from one of their warehouses to another then wait to be contacted to pay an unknown shipping fee in order to have the item delivered to your door. If the shipping turns out to be much more than expected expensive; too bad because they will keep 25% for cancelling your order. Disappointed dsaf

I shop online all the time and have never come across such archaic shipping and cancellation policies. I could only image how a return would go down! I informed Jason that I needed the item long before their estimated “Express shipping” date and thus had no choice but to cancel. He reminded me of the 25% restocking fee. I told him that if he did not wave the fee then I would never make another purchase from I Run Guns again. He said “That’s fine” and couldn’t care less.

Today I received an email notification confirming that $95.30 USD has been refunded back onto my credit card. I Run Guns LLC has now lost a customer for life and hopefully also the patronage of all my friends in the firearms community and the Canadian Forces (of which I am a veteran of) to make a measly $23.43.

I tried to make a complaint on the BBB, but not surprisingly I Run Guns LLC is not BBB accredited. I will be contacting my credit card company to have the remaining amount reversed.

I have never dealt with such a petty company with total disregard for customer loyalty and warn all others that no quarter will be given should you ever make the mistake of dealing with these guys. Too bad for them because the next gun I’m looking at getting is a .50 BMG in the $5000 price range, but certainly not from I Run Guns.

Well done Jason. Wise choice…

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#1 UPDATE Employee

Return Policy Clearly Indicated

AUTHOR: IRUNGUNS - ()

POSTED: Tuesday, July 14, 2015

While we regret to lose any customer, the situation documented here was clearly avoidable, had the customer taken the time to familiarize himself with our store policies. While we realize that reading a lengthy set of rules governing the operations of a business may be a bit dry for some, our effort to combat this consists of a few short sentences in a highly visible color on every single page of the website. It states briefly "All Canadian Orders are Subject to a 25% re-stocking fee upon cancellation".

Above this, in the same high vis color and in ALL CAPITALS, it states "Please Read Before Checkout". Further to that, when placing an order the customer has to check a box before the order can be processed, stating that they have read and agree to the store policies. Try as we might to inform people ahead of time through these consumer friendly reminders, we cannot force someone to read something. Some responsibility for their actions has to be placed on the person who completed the order.

Because we operate in both the US and in Canada, we need to be able to bill in two currencies as well. We cannot collect Canadian GST in US funds. As the customer states, he has purchased from us in the past, and therefore should have been aware that this is how the business operates. He purchased an item off the US site, which bills in US funds. We pay the GST to bring that item into the country in CDN funds, and therefore are owed that reimbursement. Nothing archaic or shady as the gentleman suggests, and if he had indeed purchased from us before this is something he should have been aware of.

Items ordered off the US site are shipped out once a month in bulk, as is clearly indicated in our policies as well. Were the products we sell things like toasters, books, clothing, etc, we could ship them across the border immediately. However, we deal mainly in firearms, and as such extensive paperwork has to filed when bringing defense articles from one country to another. We are subject to scrutiny from over a dozen governing agencies, and therefore a certain amount of time is required to get the proper documents in place.

Finally, while we find it flattering that he would compare us to online giants such as eBay and Amazon, we are not as such. We specialize in firearms and accessories, while the previously mentioned online retailers do not sell any firearms, likely due to the amount of work and attention that is required to facilitate the import/export of such products internationally. These companies have hundreds of employees, while we have a small staff who work very hard to please each and every customer. Regrettably, instances such as this do occur, and this particular customer feels he is owed special treatment due to the fact that he has purchased from us before. While we do try to keep customers satisfied, we also expect them to be truthful when they confirm that they have read and agree to our policies.

Attached is an image documenting what the checkout would have looked like for this customer.

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