Submitted: Thursday, January 22, 2009
Posted: Thursday, January 22, 2009
Co
B
Belgium
Real Social Dynamics is the company who has BY FAR the most negative feedback in the pickup community. A lot of their customers are not satisfied.
Most other pickup companies have only great reports (with sometimes one or two exceptions).
So if I want to take a workshop, I'll take that fact into consideration... I suggest everyone does the same.
Submitted: Tuesday, October 14, 2008
Posted: Tuesday, October 14, 2008
Qpid_red23
Yakima
U.S.A.
may I suggest, why pay??? i mean I wouldnt pay 2,000 dollars just to have sum dudes teach me sort skills they known themselves I mean I would practice these skills myself well since I am myself a mediocre PUA'er. I mean there are websites on how to obtain such skills.
www.pick-up-artist-forum.com
Submitted: Saturday, November 20, 2004
Posted: Saturday, November 20, 2004
Nicholas
Los Angeles
U.S.A.
This is because Oriel Shaked wrote a fraudulent check from his mother's account to pay for the Bootcamp. After his mom discovered this, she freaked out and threatened to ground him.
Oriel threatened to make this post if he didn't get the money back plus additional money because he wanted extra money to buy clothes and attend a Tony Robbins Seminar. Oriel's report is not only fake…it has absolutely no validity.
Submitted: Sunday, November 26, 2006
Posted: Sunday, November 26, 2006
Affection
New York
U.S.A.
As a professional pickup artist and competitor to Real Social Dynamics, I've had the chance to meet and see several RSD instructors both in the classroom, in the field, and in out-of-work settings. Naturally I've also had similar experiences with many other talented pickup artists for comparison purposes.
The guys of Real Social Dynamics are, without a doubt, very talented individuals. Tyler in particular is perhaps one of the smartest guys I've met in a long time, and has a very firm grasp on what attracts women and what doesn't.
Quite simply, if a student does not benefit from a bootcamp, in my experience, it's usually because the student comes in with the attitude that they know everything, don't need help, and aren't willing to try new things -- but that the bootcamp should magically transform them anyway. You can see this in the initial report as the student is upset that there is *a* girl that Tyler talked to that he didn't take home. Learning pickup increases the success you have with women -- it doesn't make you infallible, and even master pickup artists can't get *every* girl.
Though it may be unusual for a competitor to come to another company's defense here on ROR.com, inaccurate reports like this hurt not only the target company but the industry as well. RSD has quality material and they deserve credit for that.
If you have any questions, feel free to contact me.
~~Affection
Project Manhattan PUA, Inc.
Phone: (877) NYC-PUA1
E-mail: affection@projectmanhattanpua.com
Submitted: Saturday, December 23, 2006
Posted: Saturday, December 23, 2006
Alexander
Hamburg
Germany
Hey Guys, c'mon! Do you write these negative reports yourselves to get more Google hits? I wouldn't be surprised if Swingcat was in this, too - an old strategy from the entertainment business, where stars bad-mouth each other from time to time to stay in the press - since there is no bad press.
Anyone who has seen the RSD guys in action will know it is RIDICULOUS to say that they have no in-field skills with women. Like saying, Al Pacino can't act.
His mother freaked about a fraudulent check?
COME ON !!!
I have done an in-field workshop with RSD last summer in Amsterdam. I was amazed to meet the Master Tyler himself. That workshop was PHANTASTIC and made me a different person. My girlfriend hated it since I was then out of her control.
This year, I did a bootcamp in London which was still pretty good compared to all other lame workshops I have attended.
After that, I started getting phone#s from girls. A while later, I started getting REAL phone#s, LOL.
As to personal and business ethics, I don't really know, but I usually smell a rat when there is one and I haven't smelled any rats with RSD. My guess is, these guys are too smart to do rip-offs.
Submitted: Monday, February 13, 2006
Posted: Monday, February 13, 2006
Rick
Tamps
U.S.A.
I was under the impression, the guys at Real Social Dynamics is full of Shit. After few conversations with them, I also realized, These guys completely lack Integrity and Ethics in the business and the approach towards women. I am very happy for not signing up with these clowns. These reports are for real folks. Infact I have seen several posts across the internet as I was planning to take the work shop myself.
http://www.ripoffreport.com/reports/ripoff115620.htm
Search in google for real social dyanamics rip off.
If you are considering taking a RSD bootcamp, I urge you to read this review first:
if you like throwing money away, the RSD bootcamp may be for you.
Before you consider spending that $1500, I would suggest giving yourself a makeover, donating that money to the homeless, or hell, put it in a brief case, go to the center of your city, open it, and let it blow away in the wind. The money will be better off, trust me.
Hell, if you'd like, I can give you the exact same bootcamp experience for a mere $20.
Submitted: Thursday, March 26, 2009
Posted: Thursday, March 26, 2009
Feliks
Brooklyn
U.S.A.
I'm very upset that the above comments are posted. I got my hands on the blueprint decoded audiobook, tyler's 4 day conference series. I'm a student( no money), so I don't like to pay for this stuff, lets just say I got it from my friend.
I'll tell you about the product later, but now I just wanted to say how I've changed from his advice, and that I'm confident, if I learned SO Much about success with women (and myself) from him speaking 19 or so hours, that he is good in the field.
simple
im very grateful i got my hands on the product, im a different person, thats why i bother now with this rebuttal. I have never seen him in the field , but I practiced what he taught and saw instant results. (i still need work/ practice for sure)
it seems to me his methods are not traditional pickup.
previous methods pull the women down from her pedestal and you step up.
He would probably say that there is no pedestal. its in your head.
with his seminar, i have learned to shed that which constrained my confidence, learned that there is no reason to fear an interaction and much more.
I cant say he doesnt have bad nights ( never seen him at all), but his philosophy of inner game, and self growth and change is really enlightening and worth the encounter
If you are looking for pick up lines, tricks and gimmicks, you might not find them from him. He will probably teach that you just need to be your confident happy self and that is what women are attracted to.
I hope i did not give too much away! Thanks Tyler.
Submitted: Sunday, April 05, 2009
Posted: Sunday, April 05, 2009
Pavarotti
Los Angeles
U.S.A.
Seriously though guys, one of the things they say in the foundations bootcamp, as a bigtime excuse for guys who fail at pickup, is "I've never accomplished anything in my life, I hate myself, but I can't understand why I don't get this." Have any of you guys read Neil Strauss' book The Game? He talks bad about Tyler Durden the whole time, because they don't get along. But not because he doesn't have skills. Tyler caused trouble around the project hollywood house for Mystery and Style. They have resolved their issues now, but Style "Neil" say he has skills with women, and understands the game, No Doubt. And pickup isn't something that can be learned and applied without any practice. You can read all day about how to change the transmission in a car, but you need to actually DO IT to say that it's a skill of yours. With pickup, you need to be process oriented, you are trying to learn the SKILL of pickup, so you are going to get rejected, and that's how you learn. But once you learn, you won't get rejected, and can get the women you want. You guys obviously have some issues with quitting. Stop blaming everyone else, it's your fault you didn't learn from the bootcamp, not RSD. They have taught countless guys, who turned into masters.
Submitted: Wednesday, May 17, 2006
Posted: Wednesday, May 17, 2006
Bill
Unimportant
U.S.A.
I'd like to preface my comments by saying that one of the difficult and great things about ripoffreport.com is that anyone can say whatever they want and the person reported is left having to prove themselves.
This is great as victims shouldn't have to be afraid to speak up. It is bad, as whatever comments the owner responds with are already suspect, and anyone who has had a different experience with the company sounds like a crony.
I almost don't want to comment as my opinion will likely be dismissed by the hyperskeptical. But I feel I owe it to RSD to make my point heard.
I will also preface my comments by stating that my case may be unique as I attended one of the first of their "superconferences", and if I put myself in the shoes of someone who only went to a "boot camp", I think I can see where the experience could be much less fulfilling.
I was very fortunate to already be familiar with David DeAngelo's materials and KNOW him to be a stand-up guy. When he put his stamp of approval on RSD, that was enough for me. I was even more fortunate not to have read any reviews before signing up.
When I checked out their website, it had a slimy "used car salesman" pitch feel to it, which shook my resolve a bit, but I remembered thinking the exact same thing about DeAngelo's material before I was more familiar with the man and his mission. So I gave them the benefit of the doubt and went to see if they could help me do something I was unable to do for myself.
I happily can say they did so.
Ironically, in Oriel's list of claims on their website, the only one I didn't get a basic grounding and understanding in was ---
o “How to get access to and work the most exclusive venues, where the most stunning women are found.” --- which is bizarre, because we only had a two day superconference and three day boot camp. I find it hard to believe, even now on the other side of the weekend, that we were able to cover as much material as we did.
But beyond the material, the experience was what totally changed everything for me. I was pushed beyond my boundaries, outside of my comfort zone, pushed into conversations with people I didn't want to talk to, with girls and guys I wasn't interested in, with nothing to say at all, just being exposed to rejection after rejection and constantly being pumped up by my instructor on any little thing that went well in the interactions.
While all this is going on, my highly analytical mind was saying, "Enough with the bullshit. This isn't going well at all, stop pumping me up", while at the same time I was starting to see what he was getting at. The more numb I became to the rejections or reactions of the people I was talking to, the more the realization dawned on me that they weren't rejecting me... they were rejecting the fouled-up self-image I was presenting to them, the inner limiting beliefs that I was showcasing that I was forcing them to agree with. Every time I forgot how "lame" I am socially, I forgot to show them my "lameness" and saw them reacting entirely different than I'm used to. I saw them reacting to the guy I've wished I was and, as it turns out, the guy I actually am.
As soon as I learned to let the guy I am come out through all the ego defense mechanisms and limiting beliefs and self-lies, I was able to start applying some of the techniques they were teaching me, that I couldn't believe worked.
I was walking up to strangers and creating attraction, and not believing it while it was happening. I was having groups of women wanting more from me, dancing, touching, etcetera. I watched as the instructors around me did and said things that were absolutely off the wall, but in a way that was so on that I could see incredible women want them.
The experience of watching an unattractive man spout nonsense to a group of seven women and have them all looking like their going to swoon was one of the most bizarre things I've ever witnessed. I will always be able to look back at it, during moments of self-doubt and say, that's me sometime in the near future.
The most important result of taking RSD's course is that my roommate, co-workers, friends, and family see a difference in me. I deal with everyone different, I enjoy people more, I am happier with myself and I'm happier with women. This RSD course is designed to create pick-up artists, from the point of view of an outsider and is even used to bring in business, I think. But what the core effect of the course seems to be is to make you a better man, a better human, one that brings value to the world and to any interaction you enter into. And I am grateful. One of the most significant truths, and a sad one, is that men who stifle themselves (through fear of rejection) produce rejection through their incongruency. Rather than learn from the rejections they cause women to subject them to, they actually become bitter and misogynistic, as I myself was.
While I'm nowhere near where I'm heading, I now am starting to understand that people, especially women, didn't reject me because there's something wrong with me, but because I was not true to who I am. Some people WILL reject who I am, but that's an entirely different set of social dynamics, and one that I can actually handle.
So, if you are a good guy and want to like women and enjoy their company, but are unsuccessful doing so, I highly recommend you attend a superconference and a boot camp. And just for clarity, I will be posting these same comments on RSD's site and anywhere else I feel it's appropriate. I want people to get the help they need.
Anyone that is swayed not to take their course, due to some lame reviews, or even just due to their unfortunate timing in not having been exposed to the positive criticisms, I am sad for you. Especially since, if you're not coming from a position of trust like I was able to, you may find yourself easily turned away from their helping hand due to the cost of the course, the feel of their website and the comments of various others who may or may not have your best interests at heart and may or may not have the ability to critique honestly and objectively.
Good luck to you.
Bill
Submitted: Saturday, August 12, 2006
Posted: Saturday, August 12, 2006
Bill
NewYork
U.S.A.
The positive post above about RSD has many of Tyler's signature persuasion techniques. He oviously wrote it.
Notice he is very careful to "pace" every objection from the initial review, allowing him to systematically diffuse criticisms. This is one his signature techniques, and his use of it is quite distinctive.
Anyone who has met Tyler, and listened carefully to his "Blueprint" would recognize this signature style.
Having never taken a bootcamp, I can't say one way or the other whether they can back up their claims. I would only warn those reading the "positive" rsd review to take it was a grain of salt.
And judging from their tactics of posting a fake positive review at all, it would make me suspicious of their business ethics.