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Report: #1037

Complaint Review: Arizona Farm Owners & Business - Mesa, Queen Creek, Gilbert Arizona

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  • Arizona Farm Owners & Business Mosst Cities Mesa, Queen Creek, Gilbert, Arizona United States of America

Millionaire families and various business from around Arizona mistreat Immigrant workers ...Violating their civil & Human Rights. Queen Creek, Mesa Arizona *EDitor's Comments

*Consumer Comment: Ed,

*Consumer Comment: THESE ARE LUXURY CONDITIONS COMPARED TO WHAT HOMELESS PEOPLE IN AUSTIN,TEXAS HAVE

*Consumer Comment: There's plenty of blame to go around

*Consumer Comment: I SERIOUSLY Doubt that downtrodden,starved, ragged people on the run from VIOLENCE,DOPE CARTEL KILLERS, POLITICAL CORRUPTION gonna take YOUR job

*Consumer Comment: illegals are even taking our good jobs away.

*Consumer Comment: THIS IS WHAT ALL AMERICAN EMPLOYERS WANT FOR ALL EMPLOYEES!

*Consumer Comment: To much money to make off of ILLEGAL immigrants

*Consumer Comment: HOMELESS, HUNGER, POVERY --NOT JUST FOR "ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS" ANYMORE...

*Consumer Comment: You are full of it!

*Consumer Comment: You are full of it!

*Consumer Comment: You are full of it!

*Consumer Comment: more than my two cents

*Consumer Comment: The law should be enforced

*Consumer Comment: In Farmers Branch, Texas

*Consumer Comment: In Farmers Branch, Texas

*Consumer Comment: In Farmers Branch, Texas

*Consumer Comment: In Farmers Branch, Texas

*Consumer Comment: MAKE MEXICO BETTER

*Consumer Suggestion: Illegals have no place in the United States

*Consumer Comment: bull

*Consumer Comment: YOU SHOULD BE IN ARIZONA TO ACTUALLY SEE WHAT'S REALLY GOING ON!!!

*Consumer Comment: Think about it

*Consumer Suggestion: Mexicans

*Consumer Suggestion: AMERICANS ARE NOT AFRAID TO WORK AND WE NEED THE JOBS

*Consumer Suggestion: The only way to solve the problem.

*Consumer Comment: Tim, you made an apples to oranges comparison here.

*Consumer Suggestion: A dose of reality

*Consumer Suggestion: A dose of reality

*Consumer Suggestion: A dose of reality

*Consumer Suggestion: A dose of reality

*Consumer Comment: As for my Opinion....

*Consumer Comment: As for my Opinion....

*Consumer Comment: As for my Opinion....

*Consumer Comment: As for my Opinion....

*Consumer Comment: The illegals shouldn't be here in the first place

*Consumer Comment: The illegals shouldn't be here in the first place

*Consumer Comment: The illegals shouldn't be here in the first place

*Consumer Comment: Every country thinks america owes them something

*Consumer Comment: MARIACHI MUSIC IS NOT OFFENSIVE, TEXAS DOES NOT NEED THE NO-BID,BOONDOGGLE BORDER WALL and What is Wrong With Our Government?

*Consumer Comment: Another vantage point

*Consumer Suggestion: I suggest people separate emotions from the facts, and the law.

*Consumer Comment: Good ideas, Lori

*Consumer Comment: Every State needs to adopt Oklahoma's new immigration laws!

*Consumer Comment: What can I do?

*Consumer Comment: What can I do?

*Consumer Comment: What can I do?

*Consumer Comment: What can I do?

*Consumer Comment: There has to be some balance...

*Consumer Comment: They're criminals...

*Consumer Comment: The Immigrant Problem Starts at Home

*Consumer Comment: This report confuses me...

*Consumer Comment: Saludos desde Mexico - Greetings From Mexico

*Consumer Comment: No Food- No Heat

*Consumer Comment: BLA BLA BLA

*Consumer Comment: If you knew what it is to live like this..

*Consumer Comment: All I know is---------

*Consumer Comment: All I know is---------

*Consumer Comment: All I know is---------

*Consumer Comment: All I know is---------

*Consumer Comment: Bad immigration policy started this Country

*Consumer Suggestion: Henry in San Diego

*Consumer Suggestion: Nothing will change until the local political "elite" is disposed of and discarded...

*Consumer Comment: How can congress do anything with bush veto's everything

*Consumer Comment: Congress needs to get in gear...

*Consumer Comment: Just a reminder what Texas and Arizona was.

*Consumer Comment: history

*Consumer Comment: history

*Consumer Comment: history

*Consumer Comment: history

*Consumer Suggestion: Henry from San Diego written 4/29/07

*Consumer Comment: The true cost of illegal immigration

*Consumer Comment: Great post Henry! And a comment to Aafes

*Consumer Comment: And to the braindead one

*Consumer Comment: A few truths

*Consumer Comment: To M - Brooklyn.

*Consumer Comment: My suggestion to it all

*Consumer Comment: Response to Aafes dated 3/25/07

*Consumer Comment: The real issues of illegal immigration

*Consumer Comment: We have legal ways to become citizens in this country

*Consumer Suggestion: If you wanna be an american..thats fine, get the proper documents and get in line just like my family did 100 years ago.

*Consumer Comment: Response to Jeff - there are Americans willing to take the jobs. However, the record of those same job seekers being reliable and showing up day in and day out to perform a job that is tantamount to hard labor is poor.

*Consumer Comment: Bunch of Bull

*Consumer Suggestion: Annex Mexico

*Consumer Comment: I agree...

*Consumer Comment: Mistreatment of Illegal Immigrant Workers?

*Consumer Comment: This debate has NOTHING to do with drugs, their influx, or their origin.

*Consumer Comment: will you owe an apology

*Consumer Comment: Will you started this

*Consumer Comment: Charles is an obvious idiot

*Consumer Comment: So Charles is a bleeding heart liberal

*Consumer Comment: What was the purpose of that post Charles?

*Consumer Comment: Bush fans will always blame democrats

*Consumer Comment: YHou have got to be kidding me!

*Consumer Comment: Mexico is getting more jobs!

*Consumer Suggestion: research before you talk

*Consumer Comment: IN RESPONSE TO A LOT OF WHAT PEOPLE ARE SAYING

*Consumer Comment: IN RESPONSE TO A LOT OF WHAT PEOPLE ARE SAYING

*Consumer Comment: IN RESPONSE TO A LOT OF WHAT PEOPLE ARE SAYING

*Consumer Comment: IN RESPONSE TO A LOT OF WHAT PEOPLE ARE SAYING

*Consumer Comment: Aliens buying half million dollar homes in Santa Maria, Ca

*Consumer Comment: Response to Chris in Florida

*Consumer Comment: Go After the real source of the problem, those the employ illegals

*Consumer Comment: Go After the real source of the problem, those the employ illegals

*Consumer Comment: Go After the real source of the problem, those the employ illegals

*Consumer Comment: To Ricky again.

*Consumer Comment: To Ricky

*Consumer Comment: The Honest Truth "Undocumented Immigration"

*Consumer Comment: Where the flag flies

*Consumer Comment: What would the Mexican government do if my family and I entered their nation illegally, had more babies, and demanded all of the benefits

*Consumer Comment: Most comments are off track

*Consumer Comment: Aafes, For a lack of better words I agree with you.

*Consumer Comment: Military enforcement of the border

*Consumer Comment: Military enforcement of the border

*Consumer Comment: Military enforcement of the border

*Consumer Comment: Military enforcement of the border

*Consumer Comment: WRONG!

*Consumer Comment: WRONG!

*Consumer Comment: WRONG!

*Consumer Comment: Swimming against the stream

*Consumer Comment: cory thinks everyone is prejudice

*Consumer Comment: *sigh*

*Consumer Comment: Wow. Cory put me in my place!

*Consumer Comment: lets face it we will always have ILLEGAL immigrant coming into our great country

*Consumer Comment: More brilliance from Cory

*Consumer Comment: And this coming from a guy from Alabama.......

*Consumer Comment: FINALLY!!! Charles is on target. Bravo Lingus!

*Consumer Comment: protest agaisnt illegal immigration

*Consumer Comment: To all who believe Englsh is not our "official" language

*Consumer Comment: Reply to Jessica = The original tenet of this post was to take the employers, who profit in the millions, to task for not only employing illegals but for the inhumane living conditions.

*Consumer Comment: To Aefes

*Consumer Comment: The last time I checked...

*Consumer Comment: It's everywhere.... The American dream is alive and well, but only applies to those not born here.

*Consumer Comment: All of this is just getting out of hand. It is very hard for me to have sympathy for an illegal who thinks they are above waiting in line to become a citizen.

*Consumer Comment: .....All PERSONAL opinions in that last response...

*Consumer Suggestion: Woohoo! Go illegal imimgration!

*Consumer Comment: If they do things by the law then the law will protect them

*Consumer Suggestion: Some basics, STILL misunderstood

*Consumer Comment: a reality... All the people here who think that all these people become LEGALIZED citizens is going to HELP the economy, you're wrong. If they were to gain amnesty, it would TRIPLE the federal cost.

*Consumer Comment: It really boils down to Respect

*Consumer Comment: It really boils down to Respect

*Consumer Comment: It really boils down to Respect

*Consumer Comment: It really boils down to Respect

*Consumer Comment: You people are blind

*Consumer Comment: Difference between Illegal and Legal

*Consumer Comment: To Charles

*Consumer Comment: I agree

*Consumer Comment: Illegal Immigrant Deport them all

*Consumer Suggestion: It is easy to pick out the bad, how many look at the good?

*Consumer Comment: help the illegals - We need to attack the employers with heavy penalties for employing illegals

*Consumer Comment: No, they wouldnt...

*Consumer Comment: This report is ridiculous...

*Consumer Comment: My god.... If you're going to break the law by hiring people illegally, then you should at least treat those people with some sort of civility and compassion

*Consumer Comment: WRONG!!

*Consumer Comment: WRONG!!

*Consumer Comment: WRONG!!

*Consumer Comment: WRONG!!

*Consumer Comment: my comment was basically based on the pictures from the beginning of this report. should at LEAST, give them adequate shelter... AT LEAST. Regardless of their legal status

*Consumer Comment: Why is it the employer's responsibility, Cory?

*Consumer Comment: That made NO sense... The bible has nothing to do with this.

*Consumer Suggestion: Illegal means Illegal

*Consumer Comment: How are we supposed to rely on a man like Bush, when this kind of stuff happens??! ON CAMERA!

*Consumer Comment: Focus on real problems people, like how to run a Country. Illegals don't even make my top 100 list.

*Consumer Comment: Unless you're Native American, your family came here from SOMEWHERE.

*Consumer Comment: sick of hearing that MEXICANS are wanting to ruin this, or destroying that...

*Consumer Comment: I have no problems with the Illegal Immigrants in the USA

*Consumer Comment: Questions

*Consumer Suggestion: Where is the root of the problem.

*Consumer Comment: The research and legal precedents clearly address the root of the problem - The Employers. major concern is the human rights violations which are ongoing and abhorrent.

*Consumer Suggestion: Read this legal precedent for filing RICO charges on employers hiring illegals

*Consumer Comment: Response to Steph.. unbeknownst to you the Federal goverment requires states to provide material in the language of the specific minority, not only Spanish.

*Consumer Suggestion: Why did we expect?

*Consumer Comment: Illegal to Legal

*Consumer Comment: Yes, I am in Europe - In reality this was their land and just as the land was taken from native Americans by force the same was done to Mexico.

*Consumer Comment: Steph...You hit the nail on the head!

*Consumer Comment: Europe, baseball and Mexico and Venezuela

*Consumer Comment: Europe, baseball and Mexico and Venezuela

*Consumer Comment: Europe, baseball and Mexico and Venezuela

*Consumer Comment: Europe, baseball and Mexico and Venezuela

*Consumer Suggestion: New crime by these crooks

*Consumer Comment: Aafes...The answers you wanted..

*Consumer Comment: You can find a study that says anything

*Consumer Comment: Studies have been done that show how much it will cost us to have LEGAL people working the fields

*Consumer Comment: What about the laws these employers are breaking

*Consumer Comment: What about the laws these employers are breaking

*Consumer Comment: What about the laws these employers are breaking

*Consumer Suggestion: Aafes...STILL missing the point..ILLEGAL is the key word here.

*Consumer Comment: This is America - appalled by the ignorance and bigotry displayed by many posters

*Consumer Suggestion: If the Mexicans want to stay, they need to pay...

*Consumer Comment: I apologize ED, if I misread ..This is NOT a race issue. It is a LAW issue.

*Consumer Comment: Ed, you're missing a few points - - *EDitor's comment ..With all due respect youre looking at this thru rose colored glasses

*Consumer Comment: I stopped reading when you called me a racist - *EDitor's Comment ..The fallacious argument you employed is called a "red herring."

*Author of original report: EDitor's Comment to the above racist - Americans simply are not motivated to work like illegal immigrants. They work for the survival of their families and love America for the opportunities that do not exist in their country.

*Consumer Comment: This makes no sense at all

*Consumer Comment: Illegal means illegal. If I robbed a store and got caught I would go to jail.

*Consumer Comment: Response to illegal immigration - May 1st!! If the CAUCASIONS would like a day without Mexicans

*Author of original report: The owners of this property and others like it should be punished & charged with felonies for human rights violations. What ever laws are made by our politicians ... still, the way these people are living should be a crime. The owners should be prosecuted

*Consumer Suggestion: Dear President Bush: Would Mexico Support Unemployed American Citizens?

*Consumer Comment: Illegals in California

*Consumer Comment: Crack down on illegal immigration!!! - these cheapskate employers!

*Consumer Comment: Crack down on illegal immigration!!! - these cheapskate employers!

*Consumer Comment: Crack down on illegal immigration!!! - these cheapskate employers!

*Consumer Comment: Crack down on illegal immigration!!! - these cheapskate employers!

*Consumer Comment: My opinion on ILLEGAL immigration..

*Consumer Suggestion: The people who hire illegals need to face the felony charges.

*Consumer Comment: Response to the EDitor: On this issue I will definately agree with you.

*Author of original report: ..EDitor's Comments: CROSSING A BORDER ILLEGALLY SEEMS PRETTY HARMLESS TO ME. CERTAINLY NOT WORTH A FELONY.. Alexander Hamilton WAS AN ILLEGAL ALIEN

*Author of original report: ..EDitor's Comments: CROSSING A BORDER ILLEGALLY SEEMS PRETTY HARMLESS TO ME. CERTAINLY NOT WORTH A FELONY.. Alexander Hamilton WAS AN ILLEGAL ALIEN

*Author of original report: ..EDitor's Comments: CROSSING A BORDER ILLEGALLY SEEMS PRETTY HARMLESS TO ME. CERTAINLY NOT WORTH A FELONY.. Alexander Hamilton WAS AN ILLEGAL ALIEN

*Author of original report: ..EDitor's Comments: CROSSING A BORDER ILLEGALLY SEEMS PRETTY HARMLESS TO ME. CERTAINLY NOT WORTH A FELONY.. Alexander Hamilton WAS AN ILLEGAL ALIEN

*Consumer Comment: And why did they come here again?

*Consumer Comment: And why did they come here again?

*Consumer Comment: And why did they come here again?

*Consumer Comment: And why did they come here again?

*Consumer Comment: Sad...

*Consumer Comment: Completely agree with Nancy - the "legal" immigratants cannot earn below the minimum wage

*Consumer Comment: Illegal is illegal. Why is this even debated?

*Consumer Comment: "ILLEGAL" Immigrants says it all

*Consumer Comment: Rebuttal to the above rebuttal that was my rebuttal of the original rebuttal.

*Consumer Suggestion: While living on the border I personally have witnessed bad border behavior that includes the following

*Consumer Comment: OK Matt! NO WAY should the TAXPAYERS subsidize the profit of WAL-MART

*Consumer Comment: Robert, I am correct!! people like you do more damage to our economy than the poor illegal immigrants

*Consumer Comment: They can, and DO get food stamps

*Consumer Comment: They can, and DO get food stamps

*Consumer Comment: They can, and DO get food stamps

*Consumer Comment: They can, and DO get food stamps

*Consumer Suggestion: Matt, let me clear up some confusion on your part.

*Consumer Comment: Good point Mark!!

*Consumer Suggestion: There Is A Solution

*Consumer Comment: I do have the facts...You are confused.

*Consumer Comment: I do have the facts...You are confused.

*Consumer Comment: I do have the facts...You are confused.

*Consumer Comment: I do have the facts...You are confused.

*Consumer Comment: Wrong Answer!!!

*Consumer Suggestion: Suggestion for Matt...

*Consumer Suggestion: Suggestion for Matt...

*Consumer Suggestion: Suggestion for Matt...

*Consumer Suggestion: Suggestion for Matt...

*Consumer Comment: Food stamps? what food stamps?

*Consumer Suggestion: Right on Nick! I've been saying that for years.

*Consumer Comment: I'm tiring of this nonstop crap... I used to work for the United States Border Patrol. I couldnt do it....too many get mistreated.

*UPDATE EX-employee responds: Americans wouldn't do the jobs?

*Consumer Comment: Thta's just wonderful Carol ..It's Jabronies like you that give them all a reason to come here ILLEGALLY in the first place.

*Consumer Comment: Sorting the issues here...Legal/Illegal, etc..

*Consumer Comment: To Ian - if you read this - great input and well said.

*Consumer Comment: To Ian - if you read this - great input and well said.

*Consumer Comment: To Ian - if you read this - great input and well said.

*Consumer Comment: Jesus H.Christ....

*Consumer Comment: Here's a little food for thought

*Consumer Comment: MEXICANS ARE TAKING OVER THE U.S.

*Consumer Comment: My grandparents were "fruit tramps"

*Consumer Suggestion: They can all go back if they don't like it here!

*Consumer Suggestion: They can all go back if they don't like it here!

*Consumer Suggestion: They can all go back if they don't like it here!

*Consumer Suggestion: They can all go back if they don't like it here!

*Consumer Suggestion: superficial smoke screens, mirrors, mesa lies

*Consumer Comment: Who Is Really to Blame?

*Consumer Comment: Who Is Really to Blame?

*Consumer Comment: Who Is Really to Blame?

*Consumer Comment: Who Is Really to Blame?

*Consumer Comment: Try this. Ask an illegal if they want to become a U.S. citizen.

*Consumer Comment: Illegal Means ILLEGAL

*Consumer Comment: Jesus.... simple fact that this country is lazy. If these jobs were not available, there wouldn't be incentive for these people to come here

*Consumer Suggestion: By the way CORY. For your claim that unless you've lived the life of an illegal immigrant, you have no right to talk.

*Consumer Suggestion: All europeans were immigrants to this country at one time for a better life. We are simply doing the same thing. Why was it ok for them to come and not the mexicans?.

*Consumer Suggestion: All europeans were immigrants to this country at one time for a better life. We are simply doing the same thing. Why was it ok for them to come and not the mexicans?.

*Consumer Suggestion: All europeans were immigrants to this country at one time for a better life. We are simply doing the same thing. Why was it ok for them to come and not the mexicans?.

*Consumer Suggestion: All europeans were immigrants to this country at one time for a better life. We are simply doing the same thing. Why was it ok for them to come and not the mexicans?.

*Consumer Comment: the mexican government is more corrupt then the LAPD, NYPD, AND the Mafia all rolled into one ball

*Consumer Suggestion: LIVE WITH IT. You took our land so now were taking it back.

*Consumer Comment: A whole 75 inches?

*Consumer Comment: I guess It just depends on where you are...

*Consumer Comment: Telling half truths is the same as a lie

*Consumer Comment: I am a US Citizen AND a Mexican Citizen. I own property in Mexico AND in the US

*Consumer Comment: The underlying factor in the immigration debate is assimilation.

*Consumer Comment: The issue is ILLEGAL immigration. It doesn't matter where they came from.

*Consumer Comment: Lets see if I follow... Mexicans didnt fly those planes, my friend... And that has nothing to do with the people who are here trying to make an honest living.

*Consumer Comment: True Colors Shining through...

*Consumer Comment: We do not live in a Democracy. Democracy is mob rule.

*Consumer Comment: The people whining about illegal immigrants are probably the same people who oppose gay marriage and everything else that DOESNT involve them...

*Consumer Comment: Okay Cory, let's take your premise one step further

*Consumer Comment: Lets Say For The Sake Of Argument....

*Consumer Suggestion: The Truth

*Consumer Comment: Illegal Immigrants - Civil Rights Violations and Mistreatment

*Consumer Comment: This is a subject that sickens me....

*Consumer Comment: That was the best one yet, Tammy

*Consumer Comment: Mark, I'm pretty sure that being an immigrant doesn't necessarily mean you are illegal.

*Consumer Suggestion: If your illegal you should have no rights your rights went out the door when you broke the law by coming into this country illegal.

*Consumer Comment: Immigrant worker deaths

*Consumer Suggestion: people get off the race

*Consumer Comment: THIS IS FOR STACEY DALLAS TEXAS

*Consumer Suggestion: Its the American way!!

*Consumer Comment: Paul, you seem confused. We do have the right to send illegal immigrants back to where they came from.

*Consumer Suggestion: The only overcrowding I see is on the freeways. Other than that, there is plenty of space to rent as long as you have the money to afford it.

*Consumer Comment: This is a REAL problem, Paul! Its about the fact that soooo many Mexicans want to escape Mexico they are OVERCROWDING southern California

*Consumer Suggestion: The solution is learning to get along with everyone else in the world. The problem is that many people here simply won't accept that.

*Consumer Suggestion: Look for a solution not a bunch of comments that are doing nothing to help out Americans and people trying to become Americans.

*Consumer Suggestion: get off the race thing people.

*Consumer Comment: You obviously don't live in an area that has been overrun with ILLEGALS.

*Consumer Comment: Pat, shoot all toothless inbreds that make ridiculous statements like you!

*Consumer Comment: The solution would seem to be to change their corrupt government.

*Consumer Comment: The solution would seem to be to change their corrupt government.

*Consumer Comment: The solution would seem to be to change their corrupt government.

*Consumer Comment: Common Sense? The problem is with illegals getting services that I cannot.

*Consumer Comment: Paul--you are WAY off.

*Consumer Comment: The majority of Mexicans entering DO have the paperwork, and nobody is calling for their deportation.

*Consumer Suggestion: If the idiot lawmakers make it illegal to breathe the air, then what will you say?

*Consumer Comment: ILLEGAL is the keyword here. Thanks Anna.

*Consumer Suggestion: ILLEGAL - Definition

*Consumer Comment: Jessica, don't bother with these Cannucks

*Consumer Comment: Anna--also make sure you know American history before you start rambling about it!

*Consumer Comment: Wow. Anna is CLUELESS! Since you think picking fruits and vegetables is such a great job maybe you should come down here and do it!

*Consumer Comment: They have violated Federal law.

*Consumer Suggestion: I can match the work output of a Mexican immigrant if I have to. Many Americans can. The difference is that we have better options.

*Consumer Comment: No appreciation for Mexican farm workers

*Consumer Comment: No appreciation for Mexican farm workers

*Consumer Comment: No appreciation for Mexican farm workers

*Consumer Comment: Oh Mama

*Consumer Comment: Right on Ashley.

*Consumer Suggestion: No.. ..& EDitor's comments to this above

*Consumer Comment: If your friends are ready to do that work, then, tell them to stand on those corners that illegals use..

*Consumer Comment: They make $150 a day in Long Beach...

*Consumer Comment: The Illegal Immigration Problem. see things for yourself before acting like you know what really goes on, further than what the media tells you.

*Consumer Comment: Another response to Ed

*Consumer Comment: Another response to Ed

*Consumer Comment: Another response to Ed

*Consumer Comment: Another response to Ed

*Consumer Comment: EDitor's comment: Jessica, you are missing the point These Hispanic workers from Mexico, Central America to Columbia that come here are mislead, all fueled by Americans who thrive on their labor.

*Consumer Comment: Response to the editor's response

*Consumer Comment: They need to be deported if they are not here legally, - EDitor's Comment below... give me a break!

*Consumer Comment: Blame The Rich

*Consumer Suggestion: Three Cheers For The MINUTEMEN ...HIP HIP HOORAY !!!

*Consumer Comment: BOO h*o - I am soooo sick of ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS period!

*Consumer Comment: Be fair to Hispanic people

*Consumer Comment: Work no one wants????

*Consumer Comment: So many crimes... so little time

*Consumer Comment: If it croaks like a frog and looks like a frog its a Frog!

*Consumer Suggestion: Its not Racism

*Consumer Comment: Here are some things that bother me about the original post.

*Consumer Comment: You can't do what they do

*Consumer Comment: IF YOU ARE IN THE IMIGRANTS POSITION OR PLACE WHAT WOULD YOU NOT DO FOR YOUR CHILDREN.

*Consumer Comment: Can we not all get along?? We don't need sagergation..

*Consumer Suggestion: To Hell In A Hand Basket - a nest of wimps in Washington

*Consumer Comment: Please - MY GRANDFATHER W0ULD ROLL OVER IN HIS GRAVE IF HE KNEW WHAT HAS HAPPENED TO THE COUNTRY HE DEFENDED IN WW2 HAS BECOME!!!

*Consumer Comment: Communism? Tanks? Let me clarify.....

*Consumer Comment: It's not RACISM, Melissa It's NATIONALISM. In case you haven't noticed, all countries have borders.

*Consumer Comment: Wake up America

*Consumer Comment: It really is that simple and easy. You can study all you want about how the system is supposed to work. Book smart isn't the same as street smart.

*Consumer Comment: The other half of the story - immigration is not a simple process

*Consumer Comment: No Tracy, it is not. And the fact of the matter is, it's FREE! The Mexican government will help them with all of the paperwork

*Consumer Suggestion: Why can't they just come here legally??

*Consumer Suggestion: Lest we forget - your "founding fathers" murdered millions of innocent people to take this land

*Consumer Suggestion: Michael--an idiot without a cause or a brain

*Consumer Comment: NO Illegal Aliens.

*Consumer Suggestion: kick em out! Do I feel sorry for the illegals? Yes, I do but I do not want them here illegally.

*Consumer Suggestion: kick em out! Do I feel sorry for the illegals? Yes, I do but I do not want them here illegally.

*Consumer Comment: Tim S H U T U P

*Consumer Comment: This is getting RIDICULOUS - how stupid do you think Mexicans are?

*Consumer Comment: Add to the problem, or think of ways to fix it . . . Which will it be? ..your attitude is vey racist.

*Consumer Comment: Boo h*o - In the County of Dallas some of these taxes go to fund Parkland Hospital where ILLEGALS go for health care - therefore I am paying for these ILLEGAL individuals to obtain health care on MY DOLLAR

*Consumer Comment: Do you really want to fix the immigration problem?

*Consumer Comment: Do you really want to fix the immigration problem?

*Consumer Comment: Do you really want to fix the immigration problem?

*Consumer Comment: Illegals displace Americans in skilled trades too!

*Consumer Comment: What exactly is "sociallogy?" This is a supply and demand issue. There is a demand in the U.S. for cheap, unskilled labor that is not being filled by American workers.

*Consumer Comment: The fact is illegals are making our country worse and worse.

*Consumer Suggestion: america is not responsible

*Consumer Suggestion: Jackie you are stupid ..You assume we are all poor and driving a junky car well evidently you haven't driven to Georgia lately.

*Consumer Suggestion: Jackie you are stupid ..You assume we are all poor and driving a junky car well evidently you haven't driven to Georgia lately.

*Consumer Suggestion: Jackie you are stupid ..You assume we are all poor and driving a junky car well evidently you haven't driven to Georgia lately.

*Consumer Suggestion: Jackie you are stupid ..You assume we are all poor and driving a junky car well evidently you haven't driven to Georgia lately.

*Consumer Suggestion: Jeff your ignorance is showing - FREEDOM AND LIBERTY FOR ALL(not just white citizens

*Consumer Suggestion: Joel Agreed. What they do not know that most immigrants are buying houses at a faster rate and becoming homeowners at a faster rate than American citizens.

*Consumer Suggestion: Joel Agreed. What they do not know that most immigrants are buying houses at a faster rate and becoming homeowners at a faster rate than American citizens.

*Consumer Suggestion: Joel Agreed. What they do not know that most immigrants are buying houses at a faster rate and becoming homeowners at a faster rate than American citizens.

*Consumer Suggestion: Joel Agreed. What they do not know that most immigrants are buying houses at a faster rate and becoming homeowners at a faster rate than American citizens.

*Consumer Comment: Cinthya we don't call ourselves NATIVE AMERICAN

*Consumer Comment: What has this country come too.

*Consumer Comment: Afraid of Challenge? Ignorance is a disability, makes people blind and mentally ill.

*REBUTTAL Individual responds: peotic

*Consumer Comment: I can't believe what I've read.....

*Consumer Suggestion: TO ANYONE WHO DOESNT LIVE IN A BORDER STATE

*Consumer Suggestion: TO ANYONE WHO DOESNT LIVE IN A BORDER STATE

*Consumer Suggestion: TO ANYONE WHO DOESNT LIVE IN A BORDER STATE

*Consumer Suggestion: TO ANYONE WHO DOESNT LIVE IN A BORDER STATE

*Consumer Comment: Safe Haven

*Consumer Comment: illegal is illegal, I'm not picking on Mexicans. I have issues with our goverment.

*Consumer Comment: illegal is illegal, I'm not picking on Mexicans. I have issues with our goverment.

*Consumer Comment: illegal is illegal, I'm not picking on Mexicans. I have issues with our goverment.

*Consumer Comment: Let's Call this was this is Lynn, RACISM

*Consumer Comment: Let's Call this was this is Lynn, RACISM

*Consumer Comment: Let's Call this was this is Lynn, RACISM

*Consumer Comment: God Bless Lynn!!

*Consumer Comment: God Bless Lynn!!

*Consumer Suggestion: First of all, the 'poor victim' slant put on these immigrants by this editor is such a gross exaggeration of reality that it should be deleted.

*Consumer Comment: Illegal is Illegal - No rights or Privileges - Go Home!

*Consumer Comment: Can't we all just get along?

*Consumer Comment: Previous rebuttal was not posted.

*Consumer Suggestion: There's no easy answer. Remember everyone, we are a land of opportunity.

*Consumer Comment: I'm sick to my stomach now! The racism I have read up above is disgusting.

*Consumer Comment: TIRED OF "PUSH AND PULL"

*Consumer Comment: So many things wrong in that last one

*Consumer Comment: So many things wrong in that last one

*Consumer Comment: So many things wrong in that last one

*Consumer Comment: Quiet now Huh !???!

*Consumer Comment: Quiet now Huh !???!

*Consumer Comment: Kelly...Are you reading before you type?

*Consumer Comment: To Carlos: your comments are indeed racist

*Consumer Comment: Huh?? reparations...

*Consumer Comment: Robert, Are you reading my stance or just merrily responding defensively because you are white?

*Consumer Comment: speaking of Germany. WE paid reparations until the late 90's.

*Consumer Comment: Good point Tim - It's always the same old song. "Whitey is keeping me down".

*Consumer Comment: Poor Robert in Florida

*Consumer Comment: You're all making good points; My immigration proposal

*Consumer Comment: This is too easy

*Consumer Comment: Give Me A Break! MORE!!!!!

*Consumer Comment: Carlos needs a hug ...Whites do, in fact, occupy more spaces on the welfare rolls than minorities.

*Consumer Comment: Give Me A Break!

*Consumer Comment: What? Are you so blind you cannot see you are part of the problem you are talking about?

*Consumer Comment: Give Me A Break! ..Whites or Anglos- You bunch or murdering, raping, stealing, lying heathens! You need to shut the hell up before everyone else realizes that YOU are the real problem

*Consumer Comment: Bleeding heart liberals will never understand....

*Consumer Comment: Harvesting the immigration laws

*Consumer Comment: Please remember that we are a decent society!

*Consumer Comment: Immigrant workers being hired under the table for over 3 decades rotten people here, in America, that will exploit the services of an illegal immigrant

*Consumer Comment: Immigrant workers being hired under the table for over 3 decades rotten people here, in America, that will exploit the services of an illegal immigrant

*Consumer Comment: Immigrant workers being hired under the table for over 3 decades rotten people here, in America, that will exploit the services of an illegal immigrant

*Consumer Comment: It's NOT 1912 and we don't need to fill our shores so mass immigration

*Consumer Comment: The Blame Game

*Consumer Comment: How Americans exploited France.

*Consumer Comment: Put teeth in the laws and penalties

*Consumer Comment: Fences would be great. Keep the Americans in!

*Consumer Comment: America has rapidly morphed into a country where people think they can pick and choose what laws they want to obey.

*Consumer Suggestion: Illegal Immigrants do have Civil Rights

*Consumer Comment: Nope, civil rights are for all.

*Consumer Comment: Illegals are law abiding? So you're on crack too, huh?

*Consumer Comment: Civil Rights for Illegials

*Consumer Suggestion: Legal or illegal is irrelevant. these people are being mistreated

*Consumer Comment: Update on the Reno Mexican Gang Problem

*Consumer Comment: IF YOU HAVE EYES TO SEE

*Consumer Suggestion: I do live in the "ghetto"

*Consumer Comment: I live in Arizona...

*Consumer Comment: Who brought them here?

*Consumer Comment: Who brought them here?

*Consumer Comment: Who brought them here?

*Consumer Comment: Who brought them here?

*Consumer Comment: Talk to the police gang units.....

*Consumer Comment: Douglas, do you live in the same Reno/Sparks I do?

*Consumer Comment: Politicians, illegal immigrants, and your future.

*Consumer Comment: I Am Exhausted

*Consumer Comment: An unfortunate solution

*Consumer Comment: Jim from Nevada

*Consumer Comment: Misplaced anger

*Consumer Comment: The real problem is much worse.

*Consumer Comment: To Nicole

*Consumer Comment: Talking about...

*Consumer Comment: thank you, stain

*Consumer Comment: Immi-GO HOME!!!

*Consumer Comment: Sorry If I gave The Wrong Impression !!

*Consumer Suggestion: HEY STAIN....

*Consumer Comment: Uh...

*Consumer Comment: We were murdered, beaten, raped, and lied to..

*Consumer Comment: You still don't get it !??

*Consumer Comment: First Hand Knowledge

*Consumer Comment: Our info is coming from the same source

*Consumer Comment: Oh my lord

*Consumer Suggestion: Recall The Cali Govenor

*Consumer Suggestion: Recall The Cali Govenor

*Consumer Suggestion: It is possible to suggest reform without being a racist...

*Consumer Comment: Illegal... look at history

*Consumer Comment: Pastor Dave?

*0: EDitor's Comments to the above Bigoted REBUTTAL

*REBUTTAL Individual responds: Immigration only work with better public understanding

*Consumer Comment: most of the european immigrants didnt expect hand outs

*Consumer Suggestion: Further explanation needed

*Consumer Comment: I agree with Debra

*Consumer Comment: Lets not paint all immigrants with the same brush

*Consumer Comment: Your reasoning is all wrong

*Consumer Suggestion: Take Off Your Rose Coloured Glasses

*Consumer Suggestion: Stop the invasion ..If we wish for a free, safe, and prosperous future for our children, we must put an end to illegal immigration.

*Consumer Comment: america wake up

*Consumer Comment: America and Mexico: Guilty as charged!

*Consumer Comment: Overpopulated?

*Consumer Suggestion: They are born to be criminal

*Consumer Comment: get real racists!

*Consumer Comment: More empty, factless rhetoric

*Consumer Suggestion: Just another scam...for everyone involved.

*Consumer Comment: Response to Sinbad

*0: EDitorial Response to the Highly-Opinionated Chap above

*Consumer Suggestion: closed borders

*Consumer Suggestion: Ok YOU WIN!!

*Consumer Comment: For goodness sake people!

*Consumer Comment: You're twisting my words Mario, and it's not gonna fly

*Consumer Suggestion: Simple solution

*Consumer Suggestion: What A Sermon!

*Consumer Suggestion: Who Gives A Care??

*Consumer Comment: To all the close minded americans

*Consumer Comment: Illegal Immigration- Legalized

*Consumer Comment: And what have conservatives done to help the situation?

*Consumer Suggestion: We Arizonans have to tolerate the illegals every day....

*Consumer Comment: Excuse Me

*Consumer Comment: Well Said Sandy!!!!

*Consumer Comment: My Heart Goes Out to These People

*Consumer Comment: Sad,...but

*Consumer Comment: Right and Wrong

*Consumer Comment: in responce to above

*Consumer Comment: Pastor ,You are Dead Wrong and Need to Read Your Bible!

*Consumer Comment: Is this what passes for a well reasoned argument?

*Consumer Suggestion: Balderdash and Hogwash are nice words for lies; illegal still means ILLEGAL... look to the roots for the cause

*Consumer Suggestion: Can't believe it is still going !!!

*Consumer Comment: to the editor.

*Consumer Suggestion: Why Don't You Just Move To Mexico?

*Consumer Comment: Thank You

*Consumer Comment: To my dear friend Stain

*Consumer Comment: Illegal Immigrants be GONE!!! ..Ed, I must say that you have a very compelling and strong case for the humane treatment of the immigrant workers.

*Consumer Comment: For Douglas

*0: EDitor's REBUTTAL to the above comments

*Consumer Comment: illegal is illegal

*Consumer Suggestion: Ignorance, fear, or both?

*Consumer Comment: To those who call themselves Americans

*Consumer Comment: Immigrations 2

*Consumer Comment: God Help Us All

*Consumer Suggestion: Blame the local filthy scum for what they are...MormoNazis of the lowest order....

*Consumer Suggestion: Blame the local filthy scum for what they are...MormoNazis of the lowest order....

*Consumer Suggestion: Blame the local filthy scum for what they are...MormoNazis of the lowest order....

*Consumer Suggestion: Blame the local filthy scum for what they are...MormoNazis of the lowest order....

*Consumer Comment: Arguing the Rebuttal

*Consumer Comment: Arguing the Rebuttal

*Consumer Comment: Arguing the Rebuttal

*REBUTTAL Individual responds: Ref : Migrant Workers and other illegals

*REBUTTAL Individual responds: Ref : Migrant Workers and other illegals

*REBUTTAL Individual responds: Ref : Migrant Workers and other illegals

*REBUTTAL Individual responds: Ref : Migrant Workers and other illegals

*Consumer Suggestion: Why yes i have

*Consumer Suggestion: Why yes i have

*Consumer Suggestion: Why yes i have

*Consumer Suggestion: Why yes i have

*Consumer Comment: This problem is not limited to the southwest!

*Consumer Comment: This problem is not limited to the southwest!

*Consumer Comment: This problem is not limited to the southwest!

*Consumer Comment: This problem is not limited to the southwest!

*Consumer Suggestion: Wow this has been a long conversation

*Consumer Suggestion: Wow this has been a long conversation

*Consumer Suggestion: Wow this has been a long conversation

*Consumer Suggestion: Wow this has been a long conversation

*Consumer Comment: Nobody forced them to come here!!

*Consumer Comment: Nobody forced them to come here!!

*Consumer Comment: Nobody forced them to come here!!

*Consumer Comment: Nobody forced them to come here!!

*Consumer Comment: What up George and Tim

*Consumer Comment: What up George and Tim

*Consumer Comment: What up George and Tim

*Consumer Comment: What up George and Tim

*Consumer Comment: In Agreement to kick out MEXICANS

*Consumer Comment: In Agreement to kick out MEXICANS

*Consumer Comment: In Agreement to kick out MEXICANS

*Consumer Comment: In Agreement to kick out MEXICANS

*Consumer Comment: Mexican immigrants and the economy

*Consumer Comment: What are you simpathisers doing to better the quality of the lives of the people in Mexico?

*Consumer Comment: What are you simpathisers doing to better the quality of the lives of the people in Mexico?

*Consumer Comment: What are you simpathisers doing to better the quality of the lives of the people in Mexico?

*Consumer Comment: Tony in Ottawa

*Consumer Comment: Tony in Ottawa

*Consumer Comment: Tony in Ottawa

*Consumer Comment: A Nation Without Borders is Not a Nation

*Consumer Comment: Me again..

*Consumer Comment: Me again..

*Consumer Comment: Me again..

*0: To Robert... EDItor's Comment to the 2nd REBUTTAL above

*Consumer Comment: Most of us have forgotten that our ancestors came from different parts of this world.

*Consumer Suggestion: "Illegal" is not synonomous with "immigrant"...

*Consumer Suggestion: "Illegal" is not synonomous with "immigrant"...

*Consumer Suggestion: "Illegal" is not synonomous with "immigrant"...

*Consumer Comment: To anyone bad mouthing Illegal Immigrants and legal immigrants..

*Consumer Comment: To anyone bad mouthing Illegal Immigrants and legal immigrants..

*Consumer Comment: ITS A SAD WORLD WE HAVE

*Consumer Comment: A patronizing and condescending attitude

*Consumer Comment: Getting a license does not make you a citizen

*Consumer Suggestion: Hate?

*Consumer Comment: Another view of the current populace........

*Consumer Comment: San Antonio Dr.

*Consumer Suggestion: Tell it the way it is, ignore the smoke and name-calling

*Consumer Suggestion: Racism? Certainly not! I am a Latino.

*Consumer Comment: GREEN CARDS

*Consumer Comment: There is more to it than Civil Rights.......

*Consumer Comment: Shouting at the wind

*Consumer Suggestion: To Tim

*Consumer Comment: Time to grow up... I think the time to stop the freaking finger pointing is now.

*Consumer Suggestion: Your racism is telling

*Consumer Suggestion: Illegal Immigrants In America ..Without those immigrants, America would not exist.

*Consumer Suggestion: get i.n.s working

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by EDitor ED Magedson

Millionaire families and various business from around Arizona mistreat Immigrant workers..Violating their Civil & Human Rights

Famous TV talk show Host and clothing manufacture Kathy Lee Gifford employs workers in foreign countries, more than 6,000 miles away form her home in New York. This was an understandable situation. When these underpaid and sweatshop like conditions were bought to her attention, she corrected it. Her workers had a place to live and were not forced to live out in the cold and rain in the middle of fields.. Unlike the workers I have described below.

For over 25 years many Arizona families and local businesses have illegally brought undocumented immigrants from Mexico to Arizona, working them from sunrise to sundown (working their "huevos" off). The immigrants are not able to pay for the bare necessities and end up living in inhumane conditions.

These millionaire families and various business owners have been paying the "Coyotes" (smugglers) to transport entire families to Arizona and then forcing these families to repay the total cost of the smugglers' fee ranging from $500 to $1,500 per person.

Why don't these immigrant workers leave? We all know that life in Mexico for these migrant workers is not good. They come here with dreams of being able to just feed their families and the possibility of living a better life, ..like all immigrants that came from Europe and elsewhere.

These Hispanic immigrants are all brought here being promised permanent residency in the United States if they come and work hard, ...only to be used, abused and exploited ... almost never getting any type of legal status whatsoever that they were promised.

Some workers claim they are even sexually abused. Workers sometimes never get paid at all. After they have worked for weeks, just working for food, promissed they will be paid money, they are then threatened with deportation if they do not continue.

________________________ HOW INHUMANE CAN YOU BE? ________________________ These immigrants are actually dropped off by the smugglers (coyotes) and told to wait in the middle of various orange and grapefruit groves until someone picks them up for work. The temperature often goes down at night to the low 30's or lower between October and March.

Most of these immigrants have not eaten food since their long trip from Mexico and have no money in their pockets. They are sleeping under the trees with little or no blankets or jackets. They say, "We may be here for 2 or 3 days before we get any work to buy food".



Picture of about 50 workers just dropped off to wait under the trees in the middle of the fields left to fend for themselves.

These various business owners around the state are paying less than minimum wage. Millionaire farm owners are giving these immigrants inhumane places to live. After being dropped off by the smugglers many immigrants are building makeshift tree houses. They will go through garbage cans taking the plastic garbage bags and hang them under the tree to protect themselves form the rain.

IF the workers are eventually placed in housing by the employers, it is usually an old dilapidated shack that are fire traps with dangling wires that are exposed .. and not 1 smoke detector to be found, no fire extinguishers, and no water to drink. There is even the smell of leaking gas at the places we visited.



The above picture,..I wish I could actually call this a tree house. Then this situation would not be so bad.

In plain view, picture below shows the employer's home just about 500 feet away.
One of the many employers homes, just 300 feet away from a make shift tree house.


Nearby canals are the source for drinking water and bathing.



Those who are not living under the trees have no stoves and are forced to cook outside their shacks. Many families are still using outhouses as well. Several workers who have been here in the summer and live in the groves said , "When it's over 100 degrees we dig holes in the ground and sleep to keep cool."



Jose says he has been sick for a while now. He has no money to go to the doctor. He says he is not sure what he makes, ..but he thinks it may be about $50.00 a week. He gets paid by the job and works from sunrise to sundown. But Jose has nothing bad to say about his employer. Like the Black slaves in the South who were loyal to their master.



Other living areas for immigrants in Maricopa County.


At this time we do not want to reveal the exact locations of these violators unless we have the assurance of a politician who will not let these people be deported and will help them get humane housing and at least minimum wages. These people are doing the work no existing American wants, including Whites, Blacks, Hispanic or Asian Americans. _____________________ GOVERNOR JANE D. HULL The State should step in and help. Not to shove them into a barbed wire camp either. Let's get these Coyotes (smugglers) and farmers and various other employers to put up or shut them down:

1..Stop these immigrants from paying over $500 to enter the

United States to do our dirty work. 2..Get these farmers and other employers to set up at minimum

trailers with running water and bathroom facilities. 3..Make it a Felony for those who drop off immigrants in front

of fields to live and wait for work. 4..Make it a Felony for the property owners as well who allow

these inhumane conditions. 5..Establish locations in areas around the state, central drop-

off points for these workers to be placed in either central

housing where they will work or advertise for sponsors to

take these immigrants into their homes.

We can't look the other way anymore. This inhumane treatment must stop.

"WHAT WOULD HAPPEN IF ALL UNDOCUMENTED WORKERS WERE DEPORTED FROM ARIZONA"?

Many people today feel that we should get rid of these illegals. OK, ...let's say we did.

Let's say (make-believe) that on MARCH 1, '00 BY SUNDOWN ALL HISPANIC IMMIGRANTS WILL BE SUCCESSFULLY DEPORTED from Arizona. WHAT WOULD HAPPEN THEN!?

For those of you saying,.."Let's deport all those illegal's"....

1..Builders would be at a total standstill statewide. 2..Landlords statewide would begin to go into foreclosure for

lack of occupancy. 3..Fruits and vegetables will be scarce at best. 4..Got milk? 5..Our beautiful manicured landscape first would become

overgrown and then die from lack of water

from UN-repaired sprinklers. 6..Road construction for the cities and the state would be at a

near standstill. 7..Wealthy housewives would now have to clean their own homes and cook their families' meals. 8..We'll be driving around in filthy cars. 9..Car dealers would only have Anglos to rip-off. 10..Many restaurants would have to close. 11..State and Federal Tax agencies would lose all that tax

revenue that these agencies are able to collect & keep due to

the phony social security numbers that illegal immigrants are

forced to use so they may work and pay taxes. We're talking

millions! 12..Cities will lose census-based funding for economic

redevelopment. 13..School districts will lose funding. 14..Teachers will be laid off permanently 15..Southwest Supermarkets and some 7-11 / Circle K's will lose business forcing some to close down. 16..No more Mexican hot dog stands, causing the City of Mesa to lose tax revenue and thousands in license fees! ___________________ OK, there are ..A FEW BENEFITS...

1...There would be less smog! 2...We would have more space in our jails. 3...Some crime would go down ..(some) 4...Anglo replacements would be paid more, ..BUT,.. that would

cause us to pay more as consumers? 5...Mesa AZ cops would not have to spend time tracking down

Mexican Hot dog businesses (not vendors) .. giving Police more time to go after Anglo crimes.

by EDitor ED Magedson -Founder www.ripoffReport.com badbusinessbureau.com

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#589 Consumer Comment

Ed,

AUTHOR: Karl - (United States)

POSTED: Wednesday, August 25, 2021

Our entire system in America is a complete lie. The lie is being exposed. The exposure is creating opinions; negative opinions. These negative opinions will soon trigger a massive economic collapse. Nothing can stop it. Just watch!

Thank you for starting this site where people can voice their complaints. It’s very sad that the Mainstream Media is protecting the corrupt people who control the corrupt corporations that control our corrupt government, which is ultimately being controlled by the corrupt Banking Cartel.

The real disease in America is this: fraud, greed, deception, manipulation, trickery, deep corruption, and the constant pursuit to financially injure the innocent people living in America and all over the world.

”The truth was obscure, too profound and too pure; to live it you have to EXPLODE.” - Bob Dylan 

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#588 Consumer Comment

THESE ARE LUXURY CONDITIONS COMPARED TO WHAT HOMELESS PEOPLE IN AUSTIN,TEXAS HAVE

AUTHOR: Joe - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Sunday, March 01, 2009

AND AT LEAST THESE PEOPLE HAVE JOBS AND SOMEPLACE TO STAY WHERE THE COPS DON'T COME AND HARASS THEM AND PUT THEM IN JAIL AND CONFISCATE THEIR MONEY AND DUMP THEIR BELONGINGS ON THE GROUND FOR OTHER HOMELESS PEOPLE TO TAKE WHILE THEY MAKE UP CHARGES TO JAIL THE HOMELESS PEOPLE,

WHERE ARE THE HOMELESS PEOPLE GOING TO GO WHEN THERE ARE NO JOBS AND LAY-OFFS ARE SO HIGH???

WHAT ARE THEY GOING TO DO???

I AM TERRIFIED THAT I AM GOING TO END UP LIKE THEM!

THERE ARE 50 WORKERS APPLYING FOR EVERY JOB HERE


SO FAR, I HAVEN'T SEEN ON SINGLE JOB THAT THIS ALLEGED ECONOMIC STIMULUS PROGRAM HAS PROVIDED -- NOT A JOB FOR ORDINARY PEOPLE ANYWAY.

WHAT I HAVE SEEN IS MORE UNEMPLOYED, MORE PEOPLE DISCARDED FROM THE WORK FORCE AND TOO DISCOURAGED TO EVEN TRY AFTER CONSTANT REJECTIONS

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#587 Consumer Comment

There's plenty of blame to go around

AUTHOR: Justafan - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Friday, February 27, 2009

The illegal immigration (or more technically correct "non-immigrant alien") problem is causing quite a disaster here in the United States. It must come to an end.

As someone said, surely these illiterate (even in their own langauge) people are not going to take my engineering job. But, they do take jobs from the poorest Americans...the working poor unskilled laborers.

This doesn't excuse the acts of businessmen who hire illegals. There is plenty of blame to go around. Making a defense for illegal immigrants isn't right either.

If you want America to import poverty, by all means please let more illegal, illiterate, peasants come in from South of the border. I can't think of a better way to decimate the middle class in the long term.

The more illegals are admitted into our country, the more schooling, healthcare, and infrastucture they'll use...at your expense. You'll pay to educate their children...just so their children can compete with yours for the jobs of the future.

In case you make the mistake that I'm anti-immigrant, nothing could be further from the truth. My wife is an immigrant. I make a delination between legal and illegal immigrants. Bottom line, if you're illegal and don't want to be taken advantage of, go stand in line at the immigration office like everyone else.

If you're a businessman who exploits illegals, as far as I'm concerned you should go directly to jail without passing "go".

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#586 Consumer Comment

I SERIOUSLY Doubt that downtrodden,starved, ragged people on the run from VIOLENCE,DOPE CARTEL KILLERS, POLITICAL CORRUPTION gonna take YOUR job

AUTHOR: Joe - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Tuesday, January 20, 2009

The TRUTH about where your jobs are going is NOT about people like these who have been cowed and scared by much worse back where they came from in Mexico and throughout the Spanish-speaking countries in the Western Hemisphere
and are having to exist in SUBHUMAN conditions..NO WAY! In case YOU ha ven't noticed my friend, in Bush's America there were going to be TWO classes of people --the HAVES and the HAVE NOTS. And if you haven't managed to steal your money and not get caught at somehing by a rival gang of rich thugs and criminals. then you were going to be a HAVE NOT --just like THESE PEOPLE.

THESE PEOPLE ARE HOMELESS.

THEY ARE NOT FUNDAMENTALLY DIFFERENT FROM THE HOMELESS PEOPLE ON OUR OWN AMERICAN STREETS!

THE JOBS THAT AMERICAN WORKERS USED TO DO ARE BEING SHIPPED OVERSEAS TO PEOPLE IN THIRD WORLD COUNTRIES AND PRISON CAMPS--LIKE IN CHINA AND OTHER LOVELY, NICE PLACES WITH WONDERFUL HUMAN RIGHTS RECORDS.WHY? BECAUSE BIG GREEDY, CORRUPT, CROOKED CORPORATIONS ( FRIENDS OF BUSH I & II, CHENEY,CARTER,CLINTON AND ALL OF THE BUSINESS AS USUAL CROOKS) COULDN'T ABUSE OUR WORKERS THE SAME WAY THEY COULD IN THE THIRD WORLD COUNTRIES WHERE BRIBES TO THE RIGHT POLITICIANS GO A LONG WAY IN CAUSING GOVERNMENT OFFICIALS TO LOOK THE OTHER WAY --Hmmmm. KIND OF LIKE THE BUSH EEOC, EPA,WAGES AND HOURS, OSHA AND ALL OF THE OTHER PLACES THAT ARE SUPPOSED TO BE LOOKING OUT FOR AMERICAN WORKERS' RIGHTS.


THE JOBS AMERICAN WORKERS USED TO DO WERE GIVEN TO HIGHLY EDUCATED ECONOMIC REFUGEES FROM COUNTRIES LIKE BANGLADESH,INDIA. IRELAND,PAKISTAN,ISRAEL WHO CAME IN ON THE VISAS THAT THE GREEDY, CORRUPT, CROOKED HIGH TECH COMPANIES HAD ISSUED FOR THEM BY THE INFLUENCE I N CONGRESS THAT THEIR CAMPAIGN DONATIONS -- BOTH RECORDED AND UNRECORDED BOUGHT FOR THEM! I REMEMBER ONE OF MY BROTHER - IN -LAW HAVE TO TRAIN HIS REPLACEMENT --A GUY WITH TWO TECHNOLOGY PhD DEGREES FROM INDIA WHO WAS GETTING d**n NEAR MINIMUM WAGE AT A CERTAIN HIGH TECH COMPANY THAT RECENTLY LEFT THE USA FOR INDIA PROPER WHEN THE SHAMEFUL EXPLOITATION OF FOREIGN WORKERS CAME TO LIGHT...

THE JOBS AMERICAN WORKERS USED TO DO ARE NO LONGER AROUND BECAUSE OF THE GREED IN THE FINANCIAL INDUSTRY OF THE BUSINESSES THAT NEEDED LOANS SO THEY COULD EXPAND ( HIRING CONSTRUCTION WORKERS, ETC.) AND MORE PRODUCTION WORKERS, MORE PEOPLE TO TRANSPORT THE GOODS TO THE PLACES WHERE THEY WOULD BE SOLD BY MORE WORKERS,ETC. & ETC.

BUT BIG SLIMEY COCKROACHES LIKE THAT BLOATED, GREEDY PSYCHO-SWINE BERNARD MADOFF STOLE ALL THE MONEY--AND HE IS NOT THE ONLY ONE. THERE HAS BEEN A RASH OF STORIES IN THE NEWS MEDIA ABOUT ALL OF THESE FINANCIAL CRIMINALS WHO ARE BEING CAUGHT OR BEING FORCED TO LEAVE THE COUNTRY BECAUSE BUSH AND CHANEY ARE FINALLY LEAVING OFFICE!

NO MORE NO-BID CONTRACTS! NO MORE BAIL-OUTS FOR CRONIES WHO WILL NOW HAVE TO DO WITHOUT TAXPAYER MONEY SUBSIDIZING THEIR GAMBLING -- THE FACT IS THERE HAS BEEN NOTHING BACKING UP THE INVESTMENT AND FINANCIAL INDUSTRY FOR QUITE A WHILE EXCEPT ARROGANT POSTURING,LIES. PROMISES MADE TO BE BROKEN.. IT IS ALL A PONZI SCHEME, ROBBING THE LIFE BLOOD AND PRODUCTIVITY OF THE AMERICAN WORKERS!

SO BEFORE YOU START BLAMING THESE POOR PEOPLE, YOU BETTER TAKE A VERY IN-DEPTH LOOK AT THE AMERICAN FINANCIAL INDUSTRY AND HOW AMERICAN CORPORATE-FASCIST GREED NEARLY HAS DESTROYED OUT COUNTRY --FINANCIALLY AND PSYCHOLOGICALLY!

I AM GOING TO PRAY FOR PRESIDENT OBAMA AND HOPE THAT HE CAN TURN OUR COUNTRY AROUND!

AND YOU NEED TO PRAY FOR HIM TOO.

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#585 Consumer Comment

illegals are even taking our good jobs away.

AUTHOR: Paul - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Wednesday, January 14, 2009

illegals are even taking our good jobs away.
And also the socalled 'they do jobs we wont do' is bogus.

On the 1st I actually worked with illegals at Rockwell International.
They were even in the union...

It took 5 years, but once discovered, the company immediately fired them and
attemtped to reverse as much of the $$ paid to these 5 people as possible.

The union initially was going to support them till other union members said heck no.
If the union had protected them, the union might have gotten decertified here.

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#584 Consumer Comment

THIS IS WHAT ALL AMERICAN EMPLOYERS WANT FOR ALL EMPLOYEES!

AUTHOR: Joe - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Sunday, December 07, 2008

I guess the GREEDY employers of America think they are still paying us too much and they want ALL of US to live like this.

Maybe they ran out of jobs to outsource --or maybe the REALITY of Global TERRORISM is stopping them from MORE shipping jobs out of the country. THEY JUST THINK IT IS CHEAPER TO DO BUSINESS OVERSEAS -- wait until the local officials hit them up for BRIBES which are subject to being raised on a whim PLUS having to hire members of the ruling junta's family in various high priced no-show jobs as "consultants" and "security."

But here at home, they are laying off workers by the hundreds of thousands.

Out of work people create social unrest!

They say there are recession-proof jobs but NO job is truly recession proof!
People out of work in one job category will have to retrain and subsequently flood the other "recession proof" job categories until we have PEON WAGES!

Not only that, with all of the people being foreclosed upon and ending up homeless, WE WILL BE SLEEPING UNDER CONDITIONS EQUAL TO THE CONDITIONS SHOWN HERE IN THIS PHOTO OF THE POOR, EXPLOITED PEOPLE.

THIS SHOULD BE AMERICA'S WAKE UP CALL!

WHY DON'T THESE PEOPLE GO BACK TO MEXICO AND DO SOMETHING ABOUT THE PROBLEMS IN MEXICO! WHY DON'T WE ENCOURAGE THE US GOVERNMENT TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT THE PROBLEMS IN MEXICO OR ARE THEY TOO DEPENDENT ON THE INCOME THAT THE ILLEGAL DRUG TRAFFIC BRINGS CERTAIN PEOPLE HERE IN THE US?

THIS SHOULD ALSO BE A GOOD EXAMPLE OF WHY BIRTH CONTROL IS NEEDED --NOW!

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#583 Consumer Comment

To much money to make off of ILLEGAL immigrants

AUTHOR: Yougottabekiddingme! - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Monday, November 17, 2008

I wish everyone would just stay where they come from, you want to visit, fine then go back where you came from. Like australia or Canada, you cannot just go there and say I want to live. It is not that easy. America is to greedy to ever crack down on all the Immagrants we have here, it's money in there (the gov'nt, rich people etc.)pockets. Also our country being in such financial crisis, they really need these illegals now. There are legal people here who would work for the same pay just to have some money in there pocket and food in there stomachs, but b/c they are not running across the border they get second sometimes third preference. This is crazy! My country I live in is crazy. The best
thing is that we are a free country everything else is a bunch of bologna.

I do not feel sorry for those living the way they do, that is the life they chose.

They can go back to where they came from if they are not happy. And how come so many live here own store work in buisnesses and cannot even speak my
language it's very annoying. At least if your gonna be here learn the d**n language!

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#582 Consumer Comment

HOMELESS, HUNGER, POVERY --NOT JUST FOR "ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS" ANYMORE...

AUTHOR: Joe - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Tuesday, November 11, 2008

If this economy keeps in sliding into the HELL that the news media swear that we are going to have and the rich people in charge keep stealing all of the money and we the people keep letting them get away with it, then we can ALL expect to be living just like THIS!

Under the 14th Amendment, these people have the same basic rights as all Americans do. Get used to it.

As more and more people lose their jobs --doesn't make a rat if your mortgage payments have been forgiven or not --there is a slight problem of escalating property taxes--and if you DO NOT HAVE A JOB, YOU WILL NOT BE ABLE TO PAY YOUR PROPERTY TAXES AND THE GOVERNMENT WILL STILL BE ABLE TO TAKE YOUR HOUSE AWAY FROM YOU!

And take it from me, a former homeless person, the cops WILL keep you moving until you will be afraid of them and start hiding from them. TALK ABOUT SOMEONE WHO HAS NO RIGHTS AND NO PROTECTION FROM THE POLICE --HOMELESS PEOPLE HAVE NO RIGHTS WHATSOEVER!

I AM DANCING ON THE EDGE OF THE RAZORBLADE TO KEEP FROM BEING HOMELESS AGAIN BUT IN THIS ECONOMY, WHO KNOWS!


THIS IS HOW THE ENTIRE RULING CLASS ELITE IN THE USA WOULD LIKE TO SEE ALL THE REST OF US!

GET USED TO THE IDEA.

I FEEL BAD ABOUT FIGHTING ONE OF THESE OTHER DISPLACED,SURPLUS PEOPL TO THE DEATH OVER ONE TORTILLA!

AND IT JUST MIGHT COME TO THIS.

SADLY.

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#581 Consumer Comment

You are full of it!

AUTHOR: John - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Tuesday, November 11, 2008

These people would be shot if they were breaking into almost any other country. If you wish to support them, open up your house and spend your money on them. I am sure you have an extra bedroom they can use. They are crimminals who broke into our country and should be in jail. They take jobs that they are not qualified for such as licensed electricians and plumbers, from cheating businesses and provide us with shabby workmenship. How can an honest businessman hire legal workers and compete against illegal companies using cheap illegal laber? How many illegals has Bush taken into his ranch? Should we take in the rest of South America? Are you insane?

Best regards,
John ****

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#580 Consumer Comment

You are full of it!

AUTHOR: John - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Tuesday, November 11, 2008

These people would be shot if they were breaking into almost any other country. If you wish to support them, open up your house and spend your money on them. I am sure you have an extra bedroom they can use. They are crimminals who broke into our country and should be in jail. They take jobs that they are not qualified for such as licensed electricians and plumbers, from cheating businesses and provide us with shabby workmenship. How can an honest businessman hire legal workers and compete against illegal companies using cheap illegal laber? How many illegals has Bush taken into his ranch? Should we take in the rest of South America? Are you insane?

Best regards,
John ****

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#579 Consumer Comment

You are full of it!

AUTHOR: John - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Tuesday, November 11, 2008

These people would be shot if they were breaking into almost any other country. If you wish to support them, open up your house and spend your money on them. I am sure you have an extra bedroom they can use. They are crimminals who broke into our country and should be in jail. They take jobs that they are not qualified for such as licensed electricians and plumbers, from cheating businesses and provide us with shabby workmenship. How can an honest businessman hire legal workers and compete against illegal companies using cheap illegal laber? How many illegals has Bush taken into his ranch? Should we take in the rest of South America? Are you insane?

Best regards,
John ****

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#578 Consumer Comment

more than my two cents

AUTHOR: Bandita - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Monday, October 06, 2008

first, to the ignorant complaining about people who dont work or "women and girls" who have babies for a check. one, women and girls go on welfare because of deadbeat dads; sterilize both and no more unwanted children. two, some people can't work because of age and disability. that's why we pay taxes. don't like it? MOVE!

illegal aliens are a dream to american businesses. if they want to work here, they must pay into the system that's so benevolent to them. i used to be a caseworker in tx, and i was astounded at what bush allowed as governor and as president.

when the illegals go, we'll still have fruits, veggies and milk. an american will be providing labor and be paid by american standards. businessmen dont like paying a day's pay for a day's work. they'd rather underpay an illegal and do a political spin like the editorial we just read.

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#577 Consumer Comment

The law should be enforced

AUTHOR: Caroline - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Monday, September 29, 2008

If those workers are here illegally, I have no sympathy. The National Academy of Sciences estimated that each immigrant will result in a $100000 net annual cost to taxpayers. Furthermore, we already have laws in place that were meant to punish companies and employers who hire illegal aliens (aka undocumented workers) and these laws should be enforced. Corporate America benefits from this cheap, slave labor, and American workers suffer for their greed.

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#576 Consumer Comment

In Farmers Branch, Texas

AUTHOR: Stacey - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Monday, September 22, 2008

The mayor posed an order to make apartments ask for verification of residency
LULAC filed suit stating that it was discrimination and a violation of illegals rights - WHAT!!! Illegals have no rights in this country - I am sick and tired of paying property taxes to pay for illegals medical care, housing, their childrens education, etc etc -
Enough is enough!!! I am tired of expecting to speak Spanish
I am tired of Teachers in this state expected to speak Spanish because ILLEGALS think it is ok not to speak English
Time to build that fence and make it Jurassic Park STRONG!

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#575 Consumer Comment

In Farmers Branch, Texas

AUTHOR: Stacey - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Monday, September 22, 2008

The mayor posed an order to make apartments ask for verification of residency
LULAC filed suit stating that it was discrimination and a violation of illegals rights - WHAT!!! Illegals have no rights in this country - I am sick and tired of paying property taxes to pay for illegals medical care, housing, their childrens education, etc etc -
Enough is enough!!! I am tired of expecting to speak Spanish
I am tired of Teachers in this state expected to speak Spanish because ILLEGALS think it is ok not to speak English
Time to build that fence and make it Jurassic Park STRONG!

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#574 Consumer Comment

In Farmers Branch, Texas

AUTHOR: Stacey - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Monday, September 22, 2008

The mayor posed an order to make apartments ask for verification of residency
LULAC filed suit stating that it was discrimination and a violation of illegals rights - WHAT!!! Illegals have no rights in this country - I am sick and tired of paying property taxes to pay for illegals medical care, housing, their childrens education, etc etc -
Enough is enough!!! I am tired of expecting to speak Spanish
I am tired of Teachers in this state expected to speak Spanish because ILLEGALS think it is ok not to speak English
Time to build that fence and make it Jurassic Park STRONG!

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#573 Consumer Comment

In Farmers Branch, Texas

AUTHOR: Stacey - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Monday, September 22, 2008

The mayor posed an order to make apartments ask for verification of residency
LULAC filed suit stating that it was discrimination and a violation of illegals rights - WHAT!!! Illegals have no rights in this country - I am sick and tired of paying property taxes to pay for illegals medical care, housing, their childrens education, etc etc -
Enough is enough!!! I am tired of expecting to speak Spanish
I am tired of Teachers in this state expected to speak Spanish because ILLEGALS think it is ok not to speak English
Time to build that fence and make it Jurassic Park STRONG!

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#572 Consumer Comment

MAKE MEXICO BETTER

AUTHOR: Recent Victim - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Monday, September 22, 2008

these may be your idea of benefits but take all your goodness and go home and make it better. you complain and have the nerve to be illegal that's just stupid. get legal pay taxes like we do and then wine.

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#571 Consumer Suggestion

Illegals have no place in the United States

AUTHOR: Stephen - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Wednesday, July 30, 2008

I have a suggestion. Illegal citizens should return to their home country. The United States is blessed with many diversities of LEGAL citizens who have come to our country. Years ago my relatives came here LEGALLY. If your unhappy with the way your treated go home. If your illegally here your not welcome and should be arrested and deported.

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#570 Consumer Comment

bull

AUTHOR: Dani - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Tuesday, July 29, 2008

1..Builders would be at a total standstill statewide.

2..Landlords statewide would begin to go into foreclosure for lack of occupancy.

3..Fruits and vegetables will be scarce at best.

4..Got milk?

5..Our beautiful manicured landscape first would become overgrown and then die from lack of water
from UN-repaired sprinklers.

6..Road construction for the cities and the state would be at a near standstill. These are all a lie. They'd pay more for the legal workers because they'd still be making profit.

7..Wealthy housewives would now have to clean their own homes and cook their families' meals.
Cry me a river. Miss prissy can do something herself for once in her life.

8..We'll be driving around in filthy cars.
Clean your own d**n car you lazy moron.

9..Car dealers would only have Anglos to rip-off.
No need for comment on this one.

10..Many restaurants would have to close.
This is a lie. They'd pay more for the legal workers because they'd still be making profit.

11..State and Federal Tax agencies would lose all that tax revenue that these agencies are able to collect & keep due to the phony social security numbers that illegal immigrants are forced to use so they may work and pay taxes. We're talking millions! Yeah, MY hard earned tax dollars. Grow up.

12..Cities will lose census-based funding for economic redevelopment. What illegal immigrant is going to fill out the census survey anyway?

13..School districts will lose funding.
With less of our tax dollars going to illegals on welfare, or jail, or anything else we spend that on, we'll have more for the schools. Our children who belong here will get a much better eduaction.

14..Teachers will be laid off permanently
Bullsh**

15..Southwest Supermarkets and some 7-11 / Circle K's will lose business forcing some to close down. Have you seen the reports on here about Circle K's employees? They need to shut down anyway.

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#569 Consumer Comment

YOU SHOULD BE IN ARIZONA TO ACTUALLY SEE WHAT'S REALLY GOING ON!!!

AUTHOR: Norm - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Tuesday, July 29, 2008

INS/FBI Statistical Report on Undocumented Immigrants

2006 (First Quarter) INS/FBI Statistical Report on Undocumented Immigrants

CRIME STATISTICS 95% of warrants for murder in Los Angeles are for illegal aliens.

83% of warrants for murder in Phoenix are for illegal aliens.

86% of warrants for murder in Albuquerque are for illegal aliens.

75% of those on the most wanted list in Los Angeles, Phoenix and Albuquerque are illegal aliens.

24.9% of all inmates in California detention centers are Mexican nationals here illegally

40.1% of all inmates in Arizona detention centers are Mexican nationals here illegally

48.2% of all inmates in New Mexico detention centers are Mexican nationals here illegally

29% (630,000) convicted illegal alien felons fill our state and federal prisons at a cost of $1.6 billion annually

53% plus of all investigated burglaries reported in California, New Mexico, Nevada, Arizona and Texas are perpetrated by illegal aliens.

50% plus of all gang members in Los Angeles are illegal aliens from south of the border.

71% plus of all apprehended cars stolen in 2005 in Texas, New Mexico, Arizona, Nevada and California were stolen by Illegal aliens or transport coyotes".

47% of cited/stopped drivers in California have no license, no insurance and no registration for the vehicle. Of that 47%, 92% are illegal aliens.

63% of cited/stopped drivers in Arizona have no license, no insurance and no registration for the vehicle. Of that 63%, 97% are illegal aliens

66% of cited/stopped drivers in New Mexico have no license, no insurance and no registration for the vehicle. Of that 66% 98% are illegal aliens.

BIRTH STATISTICS 380,000 plus anchor babies were born in the U.S. in 2005 to illegal alien parents, making 380,000 babies automatically U.S.citizens.

97.2% of all costs incurred from those births were paid by the American taxpayers.

66% plus of all births in California are to illegal alien Mexicans on Medi-Cal whose births were paid for by taxpayers

To all of you who say with out the illegals certain jobs and work won't be done..ARE YOU NUTS?!?! Who do you think did those jobs before the illegals??

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#568 Consumer Comment

Think about it

AUTHOR: Dante - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Wednesday, July 09, 2008

Steve - Bradenton, Florida - Quote:
"That is the BEAUTY of the United States Of America. Anytime you do not like it here, you are FREE to leave! I don't see any chains on those people!"

Wrong, Steve!!

Maybe you didn't read the firsts post, but it concerns illegal immigrants being treated as slaves and denied their human rights, and forced to work to repay the total cost of the smugglers' fee ($500 to $1,500 per person). They're probably threatened with the police if they try to leave.

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Americanpaul - Phoenix, Arizona - Quote:
"AMERICANS ARE NOT AFRAID TO WORK AND WE NEED THE JOBS"

Wrong, Americanpaul,

Yes, we need the jobs, but face it, americans are indeed AFRAID and to lazy to work. Specially working tough and dirty jobs. In the past, I've worked along side whites, mexicans, blacks, etc., and the mexicans are the only ones not afraid to do hard work. On the other hand, whites and blacks, are to lazy to do labor work.

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District Manager - Capitol, Alabama - Quote:
"Why don't they fix there own Country rather than expect handouts and free support from us?"

Distric Manager, you probably mean "their" instead of "there"... :) :)

Back to your comment. The only people I ever encounter asking for handouts at the parking lots and freeway on-ramps (carrying signs that say something like "war vet, will work for food") are whites and blacks, but mostly white people.

My sister who works for Social Service Dept. tells me that about 70% percent of welfare clients are white people who have been on the system (walfare rolls) for years and years. She says that it has been about 9 years since Social Services does not give aid (cash or medical) to illegal aliens

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#567 Consumer Suggestion

Mexicans

AUTHOR: District Manager - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Wednesday, June 25, 2008

Why don't they fix there own Country rather than expect handouts and free support from us?

If Illegals want a better life, do what millions of others do- make it happen! Nobody promised life would be easy, so fix your own d**n Country, or come here legally and add something to our Country rather than be a drain on it.

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AMERICANS ARE NOT AFRAID TO WORK AND WE NEED THE JOBS

AUTHOR: Americanpaul - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Wednesday, June 25, 2008

ANYONE THAT BELIEVES THAT WE WILL JUST SHUT DOWN IS AN IDIOT AND OBVIOUSLY A LIBERAL.
My grass will get cut just fine and I have plenty of freinds that will jump for joy that all those construction jobs will open up.
Whoever makes these stupid comments must be a communist.
Let's just give away all our services free. Why does Mexico not get fined? They have plenty of money and their tourism industry is prospering. Can anyone tell me what would happen if the $20 billion dollars plus that these people send to Mexico stayed in our economy?
All illegals are theives by stealing id's to work
All illegals are liars by lying to their employers and others.
All illegals are a unwanted weight on our society that we can not afford.
All illegals should be shipped back with their anchor babies.
Illegals do not have nor should they have any civil rights as they are Not citizens and should be treated as what they are Criminals.
I am a the proud american child of legal immigrants that kept their money here learned the language and paid their taxes.
Can you say the same?

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#565 Consumer Suggestion

The only way to solve the problem.

AUTHOR: Patrick - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Wednesday, June 11, 2008

First off, let me say that inhumane treatment of a fellow human being is wrong, REGARDLESS of the circumstances. Whether they be illegal immigrants, or inmates, or POWs. Inhumane treatment is wrong, period.

Now, the only way to solve the illegal immigration problem in the US is for law enforcement to go after the companies that employ the illegals. For example, yesterday the Maricopa County Sherriff's Dept raided two local water parks in Mesa and Phoenix. A total of 8 illegals were found working at these locations.

The only problem is, they are so prevalent here that it would take a task force larger than all the police forces in the Valley combined to raid all the businesses who hire illegals. No city is going to foot the bill for the increase police presence, and we all know the federal government is not willing to help either.

I wonder what the housing and agriculture markets would be like if employers were raided on a continuous basis? Sure, prices would go up. But at least you'd have US citizens and documented migrant workers doing the work (and paying taxes).

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#564 Consumer Comment

Tim, you made an apples to oranges comparison here.

AUTHOR: Steve - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Wednesday, June 11, 2008

Tim,

The entire reason for and topic of this thread is the inhumane treatment of illegals by the rich, etc. etc. etc..

That is the BEAUTY of the United States Of America. Anytime you do not like it here, you are FREE to leave! I don't see any chains on those people!

Second, whether or not I have broken any laws is irrelevant to the fact that these people are criminals. I have paid my dues for my mistakes within our system of laws and the court system. I have been accountable for my mistakes. The illegals are criminals on the run. Fugitives from justice.

They have no rights. I say we issue hunting permits and take care of this problem once and for all. Two parallel fences the entire length of the border about 100 yards apart. The area between is a kill zone that is well posted with warning signs to STAY OUT OR DIE.

It works between N. Korea and S. Korea! It is called the DMZ and I have been there! Absolutely ZERO illegal immigration!

That is the answer.

Think about the impact on fuel and healthcare and auto insurance alone if we got rid of all of the 13 million+ illegals here!

Supply and demand on gas causing high prices? Lets cut the demand by 13 million users. Healthcare? We are paying for all of them. Car Insurance? They don't even know what it is! We are paying for them.

Get a grip on reality here.

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Submitted: 4/25/2008 1:21:16 PM
Modified: 4/25/2008 7:42:51 PM Tim
Valparaiso, Indiana
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Another vantage point
Steve, your points are entirely valid. However, on the same token as the 'they are here illegally and that's that argument' let me ask you this: did you observe the speed limit on the way to work this morning? Have you ever smoked a joint, drank a beer when you were a teenager, or otherwise violated the law?

My point is not to belittle anyone, but this whole 'the law is the law and they are criminals' argument is a bit disingenuous.

Can we agree, just maybe, to look at it this way: YES these folks are breaking the law and YES that makes them criminals. But the REAL criminals are the coyotes, the farm labor contractors, and the large commercial agrigultural operations that employ the majority of illegal immigrants.

If we enforce the legal violations from this philosophical standpoint, we can theoretically use a 'supply and demand' tactic to curtail illegal immigration. If enforcement is stepped up against the people that benefit the most from illegal immigration, they will theoretically be forced to stop using illegal workers. This, in turn, sends waves of Mexicans back to Mexico because the economic prospects there are better than here. Word spreads that the job market is dry up here, and the more industrious Mexicans can focus on repairing their own economy.

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#563 Consumer Suggestion

A dose of reality

AUTHOR: Tim - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Tuesday, June 10, 2008

Today, I am spending roughly $75.00 per week for standard transportation, to and from work, the grocery store, etc (roughly 110 miles per week).

In 1994, I spent roughly $30.00 to drive from West Michigan to Southeast Tennessee and back (roughly a 1200 mile trip).

To me, the real scam artists are the individuals who control the securities market. These individuals are maximizing profits at the expense of the well-being of the gneral American public.

Until we gather the balls to take on the mega-commercial agriculturalists, the oil companies, and those who control the prices of such ccommodities, the notion of modifying immigration laws is moot.

If you don't know what "moot" means, or if you had to look it up online, don't bother responding to this rebuttal. Otherwise, I will graciously consider any infomation that contradicts my assertions, and illegal imigration is the LEAST of our concerns.

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#562 Consumer Suggestion

A dose of reality

AUTHOR: Tim - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Tuesday, June 10, 2008

Today, I am spending roughly $75.00 per week for standard transportation, to and from work, the grocery store, etc (roughly 110 miles per week).

In 1994, I spent roughly $30.00 to drive from West Michigan to Southeast Tennessee and back (roughly a 1200 mile trip).

To me, the real scam artists are the individuals who control the securities market. These individuals are maximizing profits at the expense of the well-being of the gneral American public.

Until we gather the balls to take on the mega-commercial agriculturalists, the oil companies, and those who control the prices of such ccommodities, the notion of modifying immigration laws is moot.

If you don't know what "moot" means, or if you had to look it up online, don't bother responding to this rebuttal. Otherwise, I will graciously consider any infomation that contradicts my assertions, and illegal imigration is the LEAST of our concerns.

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#561 Consumer Suggestion

A dose of reality

AUTHOR: Tim - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Tuesday, June 10, 2008

Today, I am spending roughly $75.00 per week for standard transportation, to and from work, the grocery store, etc (roughly 110 miles per week).

In 1994, I spent roughly $30.00 to drive from West Michigan to Southeast Tennessee and back (roughly a 1200 mile trip).

To me, the real scam artists are the individuals who control the securities market. These individuals are maximizing profits at the expense of the well-being of the gneral American public.

Until we gather the balls to take on the mega-commercial agriculturalists, the oil companies, and those who control the prices of such ccommodities, the notion of modifying immigration laws is moot.

If you don't know what "moot" means, or if you had to look it up online, don't bother responding to this rebuttal. Otherwise, I will graciously consider any infomation that contradicts my assertions, and illegal imigration is the LEAST of our concerns.

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#560 Consumer Suggestion

A dose of reality

AUTHOR: Tim - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Tuesday, June 10, 2008

Today, I am spending roughly $75.00 per week for standard transportation, to and from work, the grocery store, etc (roughly 110 miles per week).

In 1994, I spent roughly $30.00 to drive from West Michigan to Southeast Tennessee and back (roughly a 1200 mile trip).

To me, the real scam artists are the individuals who control the securities market. These individuals are maximizing profits at the expense of the well-being of the gneral American public.

Until we gather the balls to take on the mega-commercial agriculturalists, the oil companies, and those who control the prices of such ccommodities, the notion of modifying immigration laws is moot.

If you don't know what "moot" means, or if you had to look it up online, don't bother responding to this rebuttal. Otherwise, I will graciously consider any infomation that contradicts my assertions, and illegal imigration is the LEAST of our concerns.

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#559 Consumer Comment

As for my Opinion....

AUTHOR: Lisa - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Sunday, June 01, 2008

As for my opinion the immigrants are going to come here anyway's so why couldn't people like me that own land and need the help just pick up how ever many we want and give the a great home with people that really care for their help. This way I could have a cook, farm hand, house keeper and even someone to help me with my handicapped mother......WOW now that a food for thought....


I could give some a great home with some one that can give them laughter, knowledge and feel like they belong to a family instead of Evil employers that mistreat them.....As our Father all mighty said, we ALL brothers and sisters for he is our Father and when we pass there is no more mothers, fathers, brothers, sisters, aunts, uncles or even cousins.....

We are Gods Children so why not treat eachother on earth as it will be in Heaven?

If I could find these brothers and sisters of mine then I would take as many as I could and give them a home in my home........

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#558 Consumer Comment

As for my Opinion....

AUTHOR: Lisa - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Sunday, June 01, 2008

As for my opinion the immigrants are going to come here anyway's so why couldn't people like me that own land and need the help just pick up how ever many we want and give the a great home with people that really care for their help. This way I could have a cook, farm hand, house keeper and even someone to help me with my handicapped mother......WOW now that a food for thought....


I could give some a great home with some one that can give them laughter, knowledge and feel like they belong to a family instead of Evil employers that mistreat them.....As our Father all mighty said, we ALL brothers and sisters for he is our Father and when we pass there is no more mothers, fathers, brothers, sisters, aunts, uncles or even cousins.....

We are Gods Children so why not treat eachother on earth as it will be in Heaven?

If I could find these brothers and sisters of mine then I would take as many as I could and give them a home in my home........

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#557 Consumer Comment

As for my Opinion....

AUTHOR: Lisa - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Sunday, June 01, 2008

As for my opinion the immigrants are going to come here anyway's so why couldn't people like me that own land and need the help just pick up how ever many we want and give the a great home with people that really care for their help. This way I could have a cook, farm hand, house keeper and even someone to help me with my handicapped mother......WOW now that a food for thought....


I could give some a great home with some one that can give them laughter, knowledge and feel like they belong to a family instead of Evil employers that mistreat them.....As our Father all mighty said, we ALL brothers and sisters for he is our Father and when we pass there is no more mothers, fathers, brothers, sisters, aunts, uncles or even cousins.....

We are Gods Children so why not treat eachother on earth as it will be in Heaven?

If I could find these brothers and sisters of mine then I would take as many as I could and give them a home in my home........

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#556 Consumer Comment

As for my Opinion....

AUTHOR: Lisa - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Sunday, June 01, 2008

As for my opinion the immigrants are going to come here anyway's so why couldn't people like me that own land and need the help just pick up how ever many we want and give the a great home with people that really care for their help. This way I could have a cook, farm hand, house keeper and even someone to help me with my handicapped mother......WOW now that a food for thought....


I could give some a great home with some one that can give them laughter, knowledge and feel like they belong to a family instead of Evil employers that mistreat them.....As our Father all mighty said, we ALL brothers and sisters for he is our Father and when we pass there is no more mothers, fathers, brothers, sisters, aunts, uncles or even cousins.....

We are Gods Children so why not treat eachother on earth as it will be in Heaven?

If I could find these brothers and sisters of mine then I would take as many as I could and give them a home in my home........

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#555 Consumer Comment

The illegals shouldn't be here in the first place

AUTHOR: John Keigley - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Tuesday, May 27, 2008

Who really cares....the illegals shouldn't be here in the first place so if you are complaining about treatment you're probably an illegal yourself so shut up and go back to mexico.

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#554 Consumer Comment

The illegals shouldn't be here in the first place

AUTHOR: John Keigley - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Tuesday, May 27, 2008

Who really cares....the illegals shouldn't be here in the first place so if you are complaining about treatment you're probably an illegal yourself so shut up and go back to mexico.

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#553 Consumer Comment

The illegals shouldn't be here in the first place

AUTHOR: John Keigley - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Tuesday, May 27, 2008

Who really cares....the illegals shouldn't be here in the first place so if you are complaining about treatment you're probably an illegal yourself so shut up and go back to mexico.

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#552 Consumer Comment

Every country thinks america owes them something

AUTHOR: Charles - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Monday, April 28, 2008

Every country thinks america owes them something we owe them nothing, they can blame there own government for how poor there country is. We had nothing to do it but we still get the blame for it.

I don't feel sorry for these illegal Immigrant people who defend for there rights are just has guilty, we should not have to put up with this, this is our country not theres.

Then they complain about having unfair treatment well they came in to this country illegal what do that accept.

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#551 Consumer Comment

MARIACHI MUSIC IS NOT OFFENSIVE, TEXAS DOES NOT NEED THE NO-BID,BOONDOGGLE BORDER WALL and What is Wrong With Our Government?

AUTHOR: Joe - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Sunday, April 27, 2008

I have lived in Texas all of my life!

I LOVE MARIACHI MUSIC! HOW IN THE HELL IT CAN BE OFFENSIVE TO ANYBODY I WILL NEVER KNOW!

Now some of that tub thumping, cojunto music with the old drunk guys singing in the garage with the accordion, bajo sexto and some idiot on the bass and another drunken bum on the drums --- THAT CAN BE VERY OFFENSIVE TO ME! It is loud, unmusicial and horrible --WHEN PLAYED BY NO-TALENT, DRUNKS but that is true of ALL music. There are some EXCELLENT CONJUNTO GROUPS but many are NOT.

MARIACHI MUSIC IS NOT NOW AND NOT EVER WILL BE OFFENSIVE TO ME! I would put the website on a certain video-playing site that would show you the most beautiful romantic and amazing music in the world so I think that this obviously non -Hispanic person has their genres of Mexican music confused with some of the music country folks" listen to. The difference is somewhat akin to light classical music verus a Jerry Springer people concert, let's say.

Mariachis HAVE to know how to play every instrument in a typical mariachi ensemble at a virtuoso level without reading music in ANY key, in ANY situation and has to sing at an opera star vocal quality. He or she plays much better than a classically trained musician in the European tradition ever could. He or she also has to be an accomplished Folklorico dancer! That is fact, not a conjecture because I TRAINED TO PLAY MARIACHI MUSIC FOR YEARS but there is not much of a mariachi market in my part of Texas. Sad to say...

AND WHAT IN THE HELL IS UP WITH THIS ANOTHER NO-BID CONTRACT AWARDED TO A COMPANY THAT HAPPENS TO HAVE HAD CLOSE TIES WITH CERTAIN MEMBERS OF THIS PRESENT EXECUTIVE BRANCH OF THE BUSH ADMINISTRATION IN THE PAST???

SOME PEOPLE BELIEVE THAT WE ARE AT WAR IN IRAQ SO THAT NO-BID CONTRACTORS COULD GET OBSCENELY RICH AND ANOTHER BENEFIT IS TO DRIVE THE PRICE OF OIL TO $10 A GALLON BY CHRISTMAS NO MATTER WHO IS IN THE WHITE HOUSE!

WE DO NOT NEED A WALL BETWEEN TEXAS AND MEXICO!

IF IT WASN'T FOR ALL THE DAMNED DRUG DEALERS --THE NARCOTRAFFICANTES -- RAISING HELL ON THE BORDER BRINGING DRUGS THAT SOMEBODY WANTS TO BUY AND SOMEBODY WITH INFLUENCE IS FINANCING AND MAKING MONEY FROM ---TEXAS AND MEXICO USED TO HAVE A LOT BETTER RELATIONS THAN CALIFORNIA AND MEXICO!

You see, in Texas, many of us never stopped being Mexican in our hearts but we adopted the better government ( a LOT less corruption than in Mexico) of the USA and Texas has always worked well before until the FEDERAL GOVERNMENT STARTED MEDDLING IN THINGS, around 911 and when the DOPE started moving seriously aound the border.

WE DO NOT NEED A DAMNED BERLIN-STYLE WALL BETWEEN OUR TWO COUNTRIES.

If the IRAQ WAR WAS A PRETEXT BASED ON WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION THEN WHAT PRETEXT IS THIS NEW WALL, A SYMBOL OF HOSTILITY AND IMPRISONMENT BASED ON?

And if there really is a plan afoot to unite Canada, the USA and Mexico into the Amero then what does this WALL OF OPPRESSION between our countries, what does this mean for us????

There is something terribly wrong going on here when border patrol agents are falsely imprisoned by the federal government for doing their job to keep the DRUG DEALERS out but drugs are everywhere here...

Also, WHAT THE HELL IS WRONG WITH MEXICO THAT THEY CAN'T DO SOMETHING TO CONTROL THEIR OVERFLOWING POPULATION AND THEY HAVE TO SEND OUT THE MALCONTENTS AND CRIMINALS OVER HERE WITH THE PEOPLE WHO GENUINELY WANT AND NEED THE OPPORTUNITY TO WORK AND DO BETTER?

In Mexico, the social elites of the ruling class own and run almost everything. You can not get a good job unless you have a relative or a friend of a friend to speak on your behalf! The remainder who get the corrections and police officer jobs have to take bribes to make a living wage and nothing gets done unless you have monehy for the bribes. If you don't have a job, you don't have any money...

MEXICO NEED TO STOP DEPENDING ON THE USA TO SIPHON OFF THEIR SURPLUS POPULATION AND DO SOMETHING TO FIND WORK AND INDUSTRY FOR THEIR OWN PEOPLE! NOT DUMP THEM HERE ON US. ALL OF THE MEXICANS I TALKED TO WERE HOMESICK AND DID NOT WANT TO BE IN THE US BUT THEY HAD BEEN STARVED OUT OF THE MEXICO!

ONE MEXICAN GUY I TALKED TO RECENTLY WAS TELLING ME THAT THEIR PLANT HAD BEEN CLOSED DOWN AND THE WORK HAD BEEN SHIPPED TO CHINA AND HE HAD GOTTEN SCARED AND CAME TO THE US IMMEDIATELY LEAVING HIS FMAILY BEHIND.HE WAS NOT HAPPY WITH CHINA. HE HAD BEEN LOOKING FOR WORK FOR A MONTH AND WAS GOING TO HAVE TO LEAVE TEXAS AND TRY TO GO TO CANADA OR FIND A RANCH IN MONTANA SOMEWHERE.

AND NOW THEY HAVE THIS ETHANOL BIOFUEL SCAM TO TAKE AWAY ALL OF THE PEOPLE'S CORN, THE MAINSTAY OF THE INDIAN AND MEXICAN DIET, TO PIT THE HAVES AND HAVE NOTS AGAINST EACH OTHER! SO BY CREATING THE ARTIFICIAL PETROLEUM SHORTAGE WITH THE EXTORTED PRICES, AND LEADING PEOPEL TO THINK THAT BIOFUEL IS THE ANSWER, MORE HELL IS BEING CREATED FOR ALL PEOPLE! LESS CORN FOR ANIMAL FEED, LESS CORN FOR TORTILLAS AND I WANT TO KNOW WHY???

WHAT IS WRONG WITH THE USA GOVERNMENT?

WHAT IS WRONG WITH THE MEXICAN GOVERNMENT?

APPARENTLY SOMETHING IS!

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#550 Consumer Comment

Another vantage point

AUTHOR: Tim - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Friday, April 25, 2008

Steve, your points are entirely valid. However, on the same token as the "they are here illegally and that's that argument" let me ask you this: did you observe the speed limit on the way to work this morning? Have you ever smoked a joint, drank a beer when you were a teenager, or otherwise violated the law?

My point is not to belittle anyone, but this whole "the law is the law and they are criminals" argument is a bit disingenuous.

Can we agree, just maybe, to look at it this way: YES these folks are breaking the law and YES that makes them criminals. But the REAL criminals are the coyotes, the farm labor contractors, and the large commercial agrigultural operations that employ the majority of illegal immigrants.

If we enforce the legal violations from this philosophical standpoint, we can theoretically use a "supply and demand" tactic to curtail illegal immigration. If enforcement is stepped up against the people that benefit the most from illegal immigration, they will theoretically be forced to stop using illegal workers. This, in turn, sends waves of Mexicans back to Mexico because the economic prospects there are better than here. Word spreads that the job market is dry up here, and the more industrious Mexicans can focus on repairing their own economy.

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#549 Consumer Suggestion

I suggest people separate emotions from the facts, and the law.

AUTHOR: Steve - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Sunday, April 13, 2008

The fact of the matter is that these people are here illegally.
They laugh at our laws.
We let them.

Since they knowingly come here in violation of our laws, by definition, they are criminals.

Anyone who does not like this is free to change the law.

Until then, lets put our emotions aside, and enforce the laws that are on the books.

We are not the welfare agency for the world.
We have our own problems.
lets deal with our own problems.
Lets let Mexico deal with their problems.

Nobody forced these criminals to come here. If they do not like the way they are living or being treated, they have the right to go back to Mexico.

It is a CHOICE.

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#548 Consumer Comment

Good ideas, Lori

AUTHOR: Tim - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Saturday, April 12, 2008

Lori,

You make a good point.

If we are going to allow this rampant illeegal immigration to continue, we must at least, ensure that the immigrants are contribting to out economy, and not draining our resources to the point where the profitability of illegal immigration is outweighed by the abuses of our social services.

However, most of these laws are already on the books at the federal level. So the problem isn't so much a lack of laws, but a lack of enforcement. If the "coyote" laws, the farm labor contractor laws, and the MSAWPA were enforced effectively by the federal government, the states wouldn't be forced to do it themselves.

As regards fighting to change things in Mexico, that is a great idea in theory but, unfortunately, that's an ultimte goal that can only be acheived after multiple, smaller goals are met.

One major problem lies with the immigration issue. The best laborers, along with the best professionals, are leaving Mexico for better jobs in the U.S. If the solid laborers would stick around, Mexico could create an industry of commercialized agriculture like we have here, as opposed to small, unprofitable family operations. This could boost their economy, and act as an incentive to stave off the "brain drain."

Currently, Mexico is economically dependent on the U.S. Tweaks in enforcement, in how we determine who can and can't come in legally, and in improving the professional education of Mexican people could make a huge change. If Mexico could become its own productive, economic powerhouse, we could have a great trade relation with them that would benefit both countries.

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#547 Consumer Comment

Every State needs to adopt Oklahoma's new immigration laws!

AUTHOR: Lori - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Monday, April 07, 2008

Our Legislature passed a Bill making it a felony to render any type of aide what so ever to anyone who is here illegally. This includes employment, welfare, any kind of church aide, etc.

I can tell you that it has made a big difference. Last year I took a friend into DHS to apply for heat assistance. The office I took her to was jam packed, maybe a hand full of people there spoke English. This year I took her into the same office and, it was practically empty and, everyone spoke English!

It makes me wonder just how big of a drain these people have been on our economy?

If things are so bad in Mexico, why don't they fight to change it?

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#546 Consumer Comment

What can I do?

AUTHOR: Dick - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Friday, April 04, 2008

This is a long post and obviously I couldn't read them all so if this thought has been addressed and i missed it I apologize, but has anyone said what Joe & Jane Doaks can do about the situation?

I drive by a corner every day where Mexicans congregate hoping, begging with their eyes, praying that someone, anyone, will offer them something, anything, to help them survive.

They think because I drive a pickup I may be looking for laborers and it breaks my heart to shake my head at them. I would gladly hire them if I had something for them to do.

I don't know squat about international law, coyotes, government policy, or the INS, what can I do where I'm at for these poor folk?

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#545 Consumer Comment

What can I do?

AUTHOR: Dick - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Friday, April 04, 2008

This is a long post and obviously I couldn't read them all so if this thought has been addressed and i missed it I apologize, but has anyone said what Joe & Jane Doaks can do about the situation?

I drive by a corner every day where Mexicans congregate hoping, begging with their eyes, praying that someone, anyone, will offer them something, anything, to help them survive.

They think because I drive a pickup I may be looking for laborers and it breaks my heart to shake my head at them. I would gladly hire them if I had something for them to do.

I don't know squat about international law, coyotes, government policy, or the INS, what can I do where I'm at for these poor folk?

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#544 Consumer Comment

What can I do?

AUTHOR: Dick - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Friday, April 04, 2008

This is a long post and obviously I couldn't read them all so if this thought has been addressed and i missed it I apologize, but has anyone said what Joe & Jane Doaks can do about the situation?

I drive by a corner every day where Mexicans congregate hoping, begging with their eyes, praying that someone, anyone, will offer them something, anything, to help them survive.

They think because I drive a pickup I may be looking for laborers and it breaks my heart to shake my head at them. I would gladly hire them if I had something for them to do.

I don't know squat about international law, coyotes, government policy, or the INS, what can I do where I'm at for these poor folk?

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#543 Consumer Comment

What can I do?

AUTHOR: Dick - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Friday, April 04, 2008

This is a long post and obviously I couldn't read them all so if this thought has been addressed and i missed it I apologize, but has anyone said what Joe & Jane Doaks can do about the situation?

I drive by a corner every day where Mexicans congregate hoping, begging with their eyes, praying that someone, anyone, will offer them something, anything, to help them survive.

They think because I drive a pickup I may be looking for laborers and it breaks my heart to shake my head at them. I would gladly hire them if I had something for them to do.

I don't know squat about international law, coyotes, government policy, or the INS, what can I do where I'm at for these poor folk?

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#542 Consumer Comment

There has to be some balance...

AUTHOR: Laura - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Tuesday, March 25, 2008

Firt of all, I would like to say I am not for illegal immigration, for the reason the pictures above shows. It puts these poor people at the mercy of criminals. It is morally wrong not to pay a living wage, and this is the direct result. Our government needs to get tough ( very tough ) on employers - they need to be enforcing their own current laws.

But there has to be a balance, the country can not support everyone who wants to come here, but we could increase visas for migrant workers. I live up here in Illinois, and know several legal migrant workers that come up here and work on the farms. They are not given luxury hotels to live in but an exceptable housing. They arent paid a huge amount of money, but enough to live on and still send some home to their families. However, it is very arrogant to say we Americans need someone to do our laundry- that talk never gets anywhere - epecially since I have eight kids and do my own laundry, cook and clean for those blessings everyday. This is alo a national security issue, we must monitor those coming in the country.

I can understand and sympathize with the frustration and wanting a better life, however, why not all stand together and work on the government in Mexico. Demand higher wages, demand their government fight corruption, demand that their government does not let these corporations come in and take advantage- that is how America became great - by the people for the people, and that is how Mexico can become just as prosperous. honestly, there is enough, if everyone got together- they could scare the pants off their government leaders.

You see, my experience, ( and I may be stereotyping, but from what I have seen ) most do not want to asimilate into this culture ( I know not all ). My sister - in - law is an illegal immigrant, and her family is here illegally as well. There is never an attempt to even try to assimilate, but to create another Mexico. So that is why I wonder, how come all these people who come and demand our laws change, are not in their own country demanding for better living conditions? - as our forefathers did over 200 years ago.

So, in short, our American corporations and wealthy should be ashamed by their behavior and their insistence of slave labor. But, in some sense, if the immigrants would show the same amount of courage they showed to cross those borders against their government, we could have two very prosperous countries living side by side. I think there is alot of blame to go around, and everyone must take their part. And does anyone know if these horror stories of horrible living conditions and low wages go around Mexico before they make that sometime deadly trip?

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#541 Consumer Comment

They're criminals...

AUTHOR: Jett - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Saturday, January 19, 2008

The Illegal Aliens, that is. They have NO civil rights, because they are here ILLEGALLY. Period. If they don't like the treatment they're getting, they should go on back to Mexico. The business that hired them in the first place, should lose their licenses to do business, and pay a whopping fine to boot!

They're the reason that over 22 Million Illegal Aliens are here. They can get cheaper workers and make bigger profits.

Take back our nation, before it becomes North Mexico, and becomes a third-world country.

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#540 Consumer Comment

The Immigrant Problem Starts at Home

AUTHOR: Dan - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Tuesday, November 13, 2007

You will notice that I'm blaming the Mexican government, not the immigrants.

The immigrant problem starts in Mexico with the Mexican government. The corrupt government does absolutely nothing for their citizens unless they have money. It has been reported that the Mexican police abuse, assault and rob illegal Central Americans who are traveling in southern Mexico. Therefore, the Mexican government is doing the same thing to their undesirable citizens and non-citizens as Hitler, Stalin, Idi Amin, Pol Pot's regime in Cambodia and others. Purge the undesirables so that they may have a 'clean' society. The only difference is that the Mexicans aren't being executed but they are being exported as a commodity. By turning a blind eye to the problem, the Mexican government is endorsing this policy.

If the Mexican government would clean up their act and establish an economy that would surpass the American economy, how many Americans would flock to Mexico for a better life? How many Canadians cross the boarder illegally to live a better life here? Very few. How many Americans cross the Canadian boarder to live a better life in Canada? Very few. How many Americans and Canadians cross the boarder to Mexico for a better life? Absolutely none.

The Mexicans immigrants hire and pay the coyotes to take them across the border. No coyote has 'saved' himself by identifying his employer in the US.

The Mexican government will arrest you if you are caught bringing so much as one bullet or a pocket knife across the border into their country. They are treated as a weapon. But the Mexican government will do absolutely nothing to stem the flow of drugs and other criminal activity traveling northward. Sure, an arrest here and there to pacify some complaintants on big new items. Does the Mexican government patrol the desert areas of their border? Not likely.

Folks, I am old and not much time left. There's going to be another civil war in this country, not in my lifetime or maybe not in my children's lifetime, but it's going to happen. The Mexican government is going to encourage the Mexicans here to take the Southwest US back to Mexico to improve their economy. All wars are fought on one of three ideologies - economy, government policies or religion. Don't think it can happen? Iraq invaded Kuwait because they felt that Kuwait was once part of Iraq as far back as the 17th century.

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#539 Consumer Comment

This report confuses me...

AUTHOR: Otis - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Tuesday, November 13, 2007

let me get this straight. This report is complaining about how Mexicans live once in the united States? Are they forced to come to the US??? They come here illegally, and now Ed, the Mexicans, and others expect us to roll out the red carpet. What a laugh!
So they live in tents without heat. SO WHAT! They are where they want to be. in the US, the land of opportunity.
I agree with Dan from San Fran. I can't believe anyone in this country is feeling sorry for these Mexicans. I am in NO WAY racist! I think Mexicans have some of the most beautiful women in the world, but that's not the point! I'm struggling to buy my home, and a group of at least 7 Mexicans just moved into the home across from me. They drive a nicer vehicle and bring in bags and bags of groceries daily. None of them speak English except for the children. The home had at least 5 or 6 possible buyers, yet the Mexican crew got the home. When I spoke with the previous owner, he told me that the Mexicans had some sort of grant from the government, same with the food and vehicle. I about s**t my pants. How fair is that, I can barley afford to feed my family, and have a job that doesn't provide insurance,and the government says I'm just over the limit to receive help Yet these Mexicans receive all these benefits with the tax dollars I provide. and our country is in debt!
Does ANYONE realize this? How about worrying about the people that live in tents without heat that are citizens here? Americans. We have men a women dying everyday in war for this country. not for Mexicans. They need to go back, then they don't have to worry about being dropped off in the middle of nowhere, no heat , etc.
As far as I'm concerned they can boo h*o all they want. They want to be here. They know what to expect before they even come here. Hell, I even know that.

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#538 Consumer Comment

Saludos desde Mexico - Greetings From Mexico

AUTHOR: Karnevil - (Mexico)

POSTED: Tuesday, November 13, 2007

Hello people.

I'm mexican and do live in Mexico.

I have some points to say:

- Mexicans crossing the border are breaking international laws.
There is no discussion, but too truth is that laws (worldwide) are usually very rigid.
They need to change constantly accord to our more quickly fluctuating world.

- A fact is that your country will be invaded year after ayear, most of the invaders are poor and uneducated. They are breaking laws that they don't know. It's a natural economical phenomenon.

- They cross the border 'cause they can find work there.

Now you americans, please decide about your laws and initiatives:
"Want we the majority of us, american citizens, the labor of these cheap workers? should we assume the consequences of receiveing this non well-educated people?"

- Another fact is that some anglosaxon people really don't like to see that ugly prietos, greasers cometacos.
Be honest, you hate them cause most of them are phisically nasty, cowards and extremely humble, and have horrible customs (like the music)
Not like the northamerican idealism of a man.

But well, if you have already accepted the old black slaves as citizens in your country (you did not put them back to Africa), should you accept these latins?

(Many white guys already like the vogues of the common black people as I've seen)

What think the majority about it?

So be realistic, and don't forget that facts.

I have many complaints about my compatriots, they're weak, they're dirty, they're inefficient, they're dishonest, they're uneducated and with no intentions of change it.

They're groaning against our corrupt goverment, but it's only a mirror of us.

We are the descendants of a culture based in the plundering.

It's very hard to be productive here, but not impossible.

Anyway don't worry, I won't cross your border illegally, maybe legally for shopping in Phoenix.

What a mad thing is life...

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#537 Consumer Comment

No Food- No Heat

AUTHOR: Christine - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Sunday, November 11, 2007

I was born in the US and my family has been here for generations. I have a college education and a job with the federal government. I work very hard and go through allot because the male employees are favored yet I ignore it and work my butt off for about $320 a week to live on. I read an article that was whining because the typical wage for illegals is $550 a week.

I am a US citizen am work for the Department of Veterans affairs. I have native american ancestry and a member of my family has served the United states military in every war and conflict in the history of this country. My family is living on rice and noodles,we have no heat and it has already snowed. I am put in unsafe conditions because some of the people I encounter on the job are dangerous with felony convictions and addictions. I've been threatened and stalked be by rehab people. I think I deserve more than an illegal.

When citizens have food at every meal and warm homes then we should think about illegals. If I don't like my condition I can't go back to were I came from because I am already there. If they don't like it here they should go somewhere else because it seems they have it better than some legal citizens.

I have done migrant work, I have shovelled poop. US citizens will do dirty work. We don't need illegals.

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#536 Consumer Comment

BLA BLA BLA

AUTHOR: Jory - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Thursday, June 21, 2007

has anyone thought about whats going ta happen once we give these law breakers the FREE PASS to our country... They will then have rights they dont have now... hints law suites after law suites about how they are taken advantage of and theirs rights have been stepped on. And for all you guys who are getting the work for nothing will now have to pay... am i the only one who see's this? by my spelling here you can see im not educated and most of the people hiring these guys are..FIGHT THE BILL--- SEND THEM HOME--- NOW--- I think we should enforce the laws we have and forget about the new ones.. Didnt we pay our law makers a long time ago to ge this thing straight... If i hear one more time about on how we all got hear in the first place i am gonna go crazy... thats was years and years ago when it was leagle to come to the great USA welll it's not now and thats that...

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#535 Consumer Comment

If you knew what it is to live like this..

AUTHOR: Christy - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Tuesday, May 22, 2007

I ran across this report and was impress how much activity it is still receiving after almost 8 years.

I myself am a fair skinned American, My father was a blond haired blue eyed man. My mom on the other hand is half Native American, you could not tell by looking at me that I am her daughter. To this I am always put back by the way people judge by a persons looks. Yes I was the little blond girl growing up, and I stuck out. My little brown cousins were, well brown, I always had the pale skin and I didn't look like I belonged with them. Now with that said..

WAKE UP Don't slam a person for trying to have a better life, to provide a good future for their children. Would you not do the same for yours?

I was raised to work, and work hard. I learned at a very young age where my food came from and what it took to get it. I live in an area in the USA that has a high number of illegal, but I can guarantee that there are not others wanting those jobs. Most of the work that these people do is paid by the piece or amount that they pick, not by the hour. These people gather in groups in the early hours to pay for a ride to work usually $50 plus a week, crowded into a small vehicle.

I lived in the neighbor hoods with these people it is funny how we can complain about them and how crappy they are but when it comes down to it I believe that These People Are some of the best darn Americans there are. The children are brought up with respect, they are taught to mind. My neighbors learned the language, yes slowly, but they learned it, I also learned much of theirs.

I am so sick of these titles that are assigned to us.. I do not like that thy assume that you are Caucasian or African American or Hispanic American etc Why can we not be American? I ALWAYS check other because I am AMERICAN.

I will agree that all illegal immigrants are not good but neither are the all the people that are already here.

I do think that people should become legal, alot do, we just assume that because they are speaking another lanuage they are illegal.

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#534 Consumer Comment

All I know is---------

AUTHOR: Dan - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Sunday, May 20, 2007

For all of the people that can understand simple facts as Tim from Grand Haven seem to think are not being said.....I have a disabled daughter that cannot get the services or benifits that I,her tax paying USA born citizen father,have paid for with my sweat and blood working for the same nominal wages the corporate america pays all the people that might not highly educated or just plain lucky....We go to the local medical clinics enter the waiting room and find only non-english speaking persons and then are told the clinic is too over-whelmed to take even one more patient....We fight every year to not have our few benifits taken away as more and more ILLEGAL aliens...I dare not say immigrants.....enter into our lands and take up the benifits we as US born citizens should have....I see a family of non-english speaking persons at the local Safeway grocery store buying 2-3 shopping carts full of food and such with W.I.C certificates and food stamps and then taking their food and getting into A BRAND NEW CHEVY SUBURBAN,SO NEW NO LICENSE PLATES YET....Then theres is the LITERALLY HUNDREDS OF "DAY WORKERS",lining the streets that,OH YES IM SURE PAYING TAXES FROM THE CASH THEY EARN,are making these same streets unsafe and dirty with litter....These same {JOKINGLY}tax paying people are the exact reason that my daughter has to endure the humiliating ordeal of almost begging for her right of benifits....Well Tim from GrandHaven and Ed,editor of Ripoff report,I say let these people be treated as harshly and rascistly as possible....BECAUSE WHY???????.....IM PISSED..........AND AS WHITE ANGLO AMERICAN I CAN ASSURE YOU I AM NOT A BIGGOTED RASCIST PERSON......MY WIFE IS AFRICAN-AMERICAN AND I HAVE MANY MEXICAN FRIENDS AND COLLEGES........LEGALLY HERE..

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#533 Consumer Comment

All I know is---------

AUTHOR: Dan - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Sunday, May 20, 2007

For all of the people that can understand simple facts as Tim from Grand Haven seem to think are not being said.....I have a disabled daughter that cannot get the services or benifits that I,her tax paying USA born citizen father,have paid for with my sweat and blood working for the same nominal wages the corporate america pays all the people that might not highly educated or just plain lucky....We go to the local medical clinics enter the waiting room and find only non-english speaking persons and then are told the clinic is too over-whelmed to take even one more patient....We fight every year to not have our few benifits taken away as more and more ILLEGAL aliens...I dare not say immigrants.....enter into our lands and take up the benifits we as US born citizens should have....I see a family of non-english speaking persons at the local Safeway grocery store buying 2-3 shopping carts full of food and such with W.I.C certificates and food stamps and then taking their food and getting into A BRAND NEW CHEVY SUBURBAN,SO NEW NO LICENSE PLATES YET....Then theres is the LITERALLY HUNDREDS OF "DAY WORKERS",lining the streets that,OH YES IM SURE PAYING TAXES FROM THE CASH THEY EARN,are making these same streets unsafe and dirty with litter....These same {JOKINGLY}tax paying people are the exact reason that my daughter has to endure the humiliating ordeal of almost begging for her right of benifits....Well Tim from GrandHaven and Ed,editor of Ripoff report,I say let these people be treated as harshly and rascistly as possible....BECAUSE WHY???????.....IM PISSED..........AND AS WHITE ANGLO AMERICAN I CAN ASSURE YOU I AM NOT A BIGGOTED RASCIST PERSON......MY WIFE IS AFRICAN-AMERICAN AND I HAVE MANY MEXICAN FRIENDS AND COLLEGES........LEGALLY HERE..

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#532 Consumer Comment

All I know is---------

AUTHOR: Dan - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Sunday, May 20, 2007

For all of the people that can understand simple facts as Tim from Grand Haven seem to think are not being said.....I have a disabled daughter that cannot get the services or benifits that I,her tax paying USA born citizen father,have paid for with my sweat and blood working for the same nominal wages the corporate america pays all the people that might not highly educated or just plain lucky....We go to the local medical clinics enter the waiting room and find only non-english speaking persons and then are told the clinic is too over-whelmed to take even one more patient....We fight every year to not have our few benifits taken away as more and more ILLEGAL aliens...I dare not say immigrants.....enter into our lands and take up the benifits we as US born citizens should have....I see a family of non-english speaking persons at the local Safeway grocery store buying 2-3 shopping carts full of food and such with W.I.C certificates and food stamps and then taking their food and getting into A BRAND NEW CHEVY SUBURBAN,SO NEW NO LICENSE PLATES YET....Then theres is the LITERALLY HUNDREDS OF "DAY WORKERS",lining the streets that,OH YES IM SURE PAYING TAXES FROM THE CASH THEY EARN,are making these same streets unsafe and dirty with litter....These same {JOKINGLY}tax paying people are the exact reason that my daughter has to endure the humiliating ordeal of almost begging for her right of benifits....Well Tim from GrandHaven and Ed,editor of Ripoff report,I say let these people be treated as harshly and rascistly as possible....BECAUSE WHY???????.....IM PISSED..........AND AS WHITE ANGLO AMERICAN I CAN ASSURE YOU I AM NOT A BIGGOTED RASCIST PERSON......MY WIFE IS AFRICAN-AMERICAN AND I HAVE MANY MEXICAN FRIENDS AND COLLEGES........LEGALLY HERE..

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All I know is---------

AUTHOR: Dan - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Sunday, May 20, 2007

For all of the people that can understand simple facts as Tim from Grand Haven seem to think are not being said.....I have a disabled daughter that cannot get the services or benifits that I,her tax paying USA born citizen father,have paid for with my sweat and blood working for the same nominal wages the corporate america pays all the people that might not highly educated or just plain lucky....We go to the local medical clinics enter the waiting room and find only non-english speaking persons and then are told the clinic is too over-whelmed to take even one more patient....We fight every year to not have our few benifits taken away as more and more ILLEGAL aliens...I dare not say immigrants.....enter into our lands and take up the benifits we as US born citizens should have....I see a family of non-english speaking persons at the local Safeway grocery store buying 2-3 shopping carts full of food and such with W.I.C certificates and food stamps and then taking their food and getting into A BRAND NEW CHEVY SUBURBAN,SO NEW NO LICENSE PLATES YET....Then theres is the LITERALLY HUNDREDS OF "DAY WORKERS",lining the streets that,OH YES IM SURE PAYING TAXES FROM THE CASH THEY EARN,are making these same streets unsafe and dirty with litter....These same {JOKINGLY}tax paying people are the exact reason that my daughter has to endure the humiliating ordeal of almost begging for her right of benifits....Well Tim from GrandHaven and Ed,editor of Ripoff report,I say let these people be treated as harshly and rascistly as possible....BECAUSE WHY???????.....IM PISSED..........AND AS WHITE ANGLO AMERICAN I CAN ASSURE YOU I AM NOT A BIGGOTED RASCIST PERSON......MY WIFE IS AFRICAN-AMERICAN AND I HAVE MANY MEXICAN FRIENDS AND COLLEGES........LEGALLY HERE..

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#530 Consumer Comment

Bad immigration policy started this Country

AUTHOR: Robert - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Sunday, May 20, 2007

The Natives had a very poor policy in place regarding immigrants.

Look how well that worked for them.

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#529 Consumer Suggestion

Nothing will change until the local political "elite" is disposed of and discarded...

AUTHOR: Leslie - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Saturday, May 19, 2007

Call them what you want: nothing in this sewer
will change or get better for anyone except the
local gentry, the "elite" of the past century and a half, until the degenerate, inbred rot of the past is totally destroyed and run out of town in the disgrace they deserve.


Their crimes are legion, their corruption and
incest infinite, and if they can hire illegals
for $2 an hour, they will and do.

I have no quarrels with immigrants, but they have to be aware: "anglos" would do many of these
jobs for a tad over minimum wage, but not for
what the local criminals pay them.

Those who do this need to be locked up, do hard time, and be humiliated in every possible way, and by that, I refer to the "chosen ones" who
think this depravity is fine. It won't happen in a nepotistic and demented place like Mesa, unless the majority starts to assert itself at the polling place, and over the last 50 years, when the LDS cadres ceased to be the majority, the rest of you have just demurred, pretending it doesn't involve you.

How stupid! How dumb!

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#528 Consumer Suggestion

Henry in San Diego

AUTHOR: John - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Saturday, May 19, 2007

That was an excellent post and right on target, thanks!

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#527 Consumer Comment

How can congress do anything with bush veto's everything

AUTHOR: Charles - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Thursday, May 17, 2007

How, can congress do anything with bush vetoing everything next year we need to elect a democrat for president, & stop this mess, bush is the problem. Bush, is messing everything up, bush is stubborn. Let, me say this again how can congress do anything if bush veto's everything.

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#526 Consumer Comment

Congress needs to get in gear...

AUTHOR: Danielle - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Thursday, May 17, 2007

If the subject of immigration is not brought up for debate and SOON, it will be pushed back until after the elections next year.

I agree, the conditions in which many illegal immigrants are living in are abhorrent. We should be prosecuting the business owners that allow that. Just because you decided to enter our country illegally doesn't mean that you should be treated like a farm animal.

That said, there should be an amendment to the constitution. Many of these women, as stated in previous posts, come over here, use our hospitals to have their babies and then leave. Or they stay and then scream bloody murder when they are caught and deported without their "American babies".

It should be changed to read that if you give birth to a child here in the United States and you are here illegally, your child IS NOT automatically granted U.S. citizenship. Hospitals should be checking I.D. like they check mine so studiously every time I've had to go. If the women is illegal, officials should be notified immediately.

Look back 100 years or more when a lot of our ancestors came over from Europe. Remember Ellis Island? Why is it that my ancestors had to do things the right way and never demanded special treatment? Why should illegal aliens have access to our healthcare and receive special privileges that should be designated for honest, legal citizens? Hell, I can't even get healthcare on my own due to conditions that I have. But yet we're treating illegal, non-tax paying aliens for FREE.

On to the language thing. My great-grandfather came to the U.S. LEGALLY from Denmark not speaking a word of English. He learned by sitting outside talking with the little kids in the neighborhood since they spoke elementary English. He never demanded that everyone already here learn Danish.

Yes, the path to citizenship is long and hard here in the U.S. It is in most developed countries. It is that way for a reason. We want to make sure that you really WANT the citizenship. United States citizenship is not something that should just be handed out on a platter. And this goes for whatever nationality you are.

We live in a privileged society. We had to fight long and hard for our privileges. It is time to tell Congress and the President that we are tired of having our privileges usurped by illegal immigrants, whatever country they happen to be from.

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#525 Consumer Comment

Just a reminder what Texas and Arizona was.

AUTHOR: Rosie - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Thursday, May 17, 2007

Please read this history lesson, I am sure all of you remember this from high school.

The Spaniards had long feared that other European powers were planning to invade their sparsely populated northern frontier. They sparred with the French and English in the Mississippi Valley and watched the Russians expand down the Pacific coast, but after Mexico won its independence from Spain, it was the growth of the United States that proved most significant. The process began with Texas in 1836. Six years later, Mexico's secretary of state, Lucs Alamn, warned, "Where others send invading armies...[the Americans] send their colonists." Desperate to fill empty spaces, Mexico invited Americans and other foreign colonists to settle in Texas in 1824. By 1830 there were already more than twice as many Anglos as Mexicans there (7,000 to 3,000). By 1836 the ratio had risen ten to one. When Sam Houston led his rebels to victory at San Jacinto, Texas remained an independent republic until 1845. Mexicans of Texas soon became a minority in their native land.

Many citizens of the United States felt they had a God-given mandate to extend their "area of freedom" across North America. On December 27, 1845, John L. O'Sullivan, editor of the New York Morning News, wrote that it was "our manifest destiny to overspread and to possess the whole of the continent which Providence has given us for the development of the great experiment of liberty and federated self-government entrusted to us." Mexico had already broken off relations with the United States in March 1845 after the annexation of Texas. Six months later, President James Polk sent John Slidell to Mexico City to buy California and New Mexico. When the Mexican government refused to negotiate, Polk ordered General Zachary Taylor to occupy disputed territory between the Nueces River and the Rio Grande. A Mexican attack on U.S. troops preceded a U.S. declaration of war on Mexico in May 1846.

:( sooooo sad

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#524 Consumer Comment

history

AUTHOR: Rosie - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Thursday, May 17, 2007

All of present-day Arizona became part of the Mexican State of Vieja California upon the Mexican assertion of independence from Spain in 1821. The United States took possession of most of Arizona at the end of the Mexican-American War in 1848. In 1853, the land below the Gila River was acquired from Mexico in the Gadsden Purchase. Arizona was administered as part of the Territory of New Mexico until it was organized into a separate territory on February 24, 1863.

Arizona was admitted into the Unionofficially becoming a U.S. stateon February 14, 1912.

Although the first European visitors to Arizona may have come in 1528, the most influential expeditions in early Spanish Arizona were those of Marcos de Niza and Francisco Vsquez de Coronado[3]. The accounts of the early Spanish explorers of large mythical cities like Cbola and large mineral deposits of copper and silver would attract settlers and miners to the region in later years. These explorations led to the Columbian Exchange in Arizona, and widespread epidemics of smallpox among the Native Americans. Native-American history of early European Arizonan exploration is hard to find, but the O'odham calendar stick is a traditional way of recording notable events, including droughts, invasions, floods that could be used as a source.


I bet if all the white people that live in Arizona, Southern California, parts of Texas, (that complain about Mexican's)can't say that that this land was always American soil, right?
what would of been of these states if Mexico would of won the war??At least I can say I can trace back my ancestor's back to this precious land but what about the white people, maybe back to Europe somewhere, or the 1st 13 states they claimed.

southern cali, peace out !!

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#523 Consumer Comment

history

AUTHOR: Rosie - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Thursday, May 17, 2007

All of present-day Arizona became part of the Mexican State of Vieja California upon the Mexican assertion of independence from Spain in 1821. The United States took possession of most of Arizona at the end of the Mexican-American War in 1848. In 1853, the land below the Gila River was acquired from Mexico in the Gadsden Purchase. Arizona was administered as part of the Territory of New Mexico until it was organized into a separate territory on February 24, 1863.

Arizona was admitted into the Unionofficially becoming a U.S. stateon February 14, 1912.

Although the first European visitors to Arizona may have come in 1528, the most influential expeditions in early Spanish Arizona were those of Marcos de Niza and Francisco Vsquez de Coronado[3]. The accounts of the early Spanish explorers of large mythical cities like Cbola and large mineral deposits of copper and silver would attract settlers and miners to the region in later years. These explorations led to the Columbian Exchange in Arizona, and widespread epidemics of smallpox among the Native Americans. Native-American history of early European Arizonan exploration is hard to find, but the O'odham calendar stick is a traditional way of recording notable events, including droughts, invasions, floods that could be used as a source.


I bet if all the white people that live in Arizona, Southern California, parts of Texas, (that complain about Mexican's)can't say that that this land was always American soil, right?
what would of been of these states if Mexico would of won the war??At least I can say I can trace back my ancestor's back to this precious land but what about the white people, maybe back to Europe somewhere, or the 1st 13 states they claimed.

southern cali, peace out !!

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#522 Consumer Comment

history

AUTHOR: Rosie - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Thursday, May 17, 2007

All of present-day Arizona became part of the Mexican State of Vieja California upon the Mexican assertion of independence from Spain in 1821. The United States took possession of most of Arizona at the end of the Mexican-American War in 1848. In 1853, the land below the Gila River was acquired from Mexico in the Gadsden Purchase. Arizona was administered as part of the Territory of New Mexico until it was organized into a separate territory on February 24, 1863.

Arizona was admitted into the Unionofficially becoming a U.S. stateon February 14, 1912.

Although the first European visitors to Arizona may have come in 1528, the most influential expeditions in early Spanish Arizona were those of Marcos de Niza and Francisco Vsquez de Coronado[3]. The accounts of the early Spanish explorers of large mythical cities like Cbola and large mineral deposits of copper and silver would attract settlers and miners to the region in later years. These explorations led to the Columbian Exchange in Arizona, and widespread epidemics of smallpox among the Native Americans. Native-American history of early European Arizonan exploration is hard to find, but the O'odham calendar stick is a traditional way of recording notable events, including droughts, invasions, floods that could be used as a source.


I bet if all the white people that live in Arizona, Southern California, parts of Texas, (that complain about Mexican's)can't say that that this land was always American soil, right?
what would of been of these states if Mexico would of won the war??At least I can say I can trace back my ancestor's back to this precious land but what about the white people, maybe back to Europe somewhere, or the 1st 13 states they claimed.

southern cali, peace out !!

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#521 Consumer Comment

history

AUTHOR: Rosie - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Thursday, May 17, 2007

All of present-day Arizona became part of the Mexican State of Vieja California upon the Mexican assertion of independence from Spain in 1821. The United States took possession of most of Arizona at the end of the Mexican-American War in 1848. In 1853, the land below the Gila River was acquired from Mexico in the Gadsden Purchase. Arizona was administered as part of the Territory of New Mexico until it was organized into a separate territory on February 24, 1863.

Arizona was admitted into the Unionofficially becoming a U.S. stateon February 14, 1912.

Although the first European visitors to Arizona may have come in 1528, the most influential expeditions in early Spanish Arizona were those of Marcos de Niza and Francisco Vsquez de Coronado[3]. The accounts of the early Spanish explorers of large mythical cities like Cbola and large mineral deposits of copper and silver would attract settlers and miners to the region in later years. These explorations led to the Columbian Exchange in Arizona, and widespread epidemics of smallpox among the Native Americans. Native-American history of early European Arizonan exploration is hard to find, but the O'odham calendar stick is a traditional way of recording notable events, including droughts, invasions, floods that could be used as a source.


I bet if all the white people that live in Arizona, Southern California, parts of Texas, (that complain about Mexican's)can't say that that this land was always American soil, right?
what would of been of these states if Mexico would of won the war??At least I can say I can trace back my ancestor's back to this precious land but what about the white people, maybe back to Europe somewhere, or the 1st 13 states they claimed.

southern cali, peace out !!

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Henry from San Diego written 4/29/07

AUTHOR: Anonymous - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Saturday, May 05, 2007

How could anyone argue what Henry from San Diego just wrote? I would like to address our hospitals here in Arizona.

I live in Arizona and have seen the hospital claims first hand from county hospital as to what we pay for. Hundreds of thousands of dollars for illegals to have babies in this country. Many of the moms do not have prenatal care and therefore often have babies that have complications at birth and NICU charges are astronomical. They are actually coming to the hospital in active labor now because they can't be sent away in this state of their labor. Many come in ambulances charging even more money to our system.

I had a baby here in Arizona and didn't come into the hospital until I was truly in labor concerned to be sent home and then have to possibly pay for an "observation" charge at the hospital. I was also concerned the hospital wouldn't have a bed available as illegal immigrants are over-running the hospital system. Especially the labor & delivery units.
When I went into labor there was actually an illegal immigrant in the room next to me who HAD come in on an ambulance.

My insurance paid for about half of my hospitalization to have a baby. I got to pay the other half and had a bill collector call looking for money. If I couldn't pay, they would go after my credit and my social security number. What do illegal immigrants have to pay for their labors and newborh health charges??? Oh yeah, nothing. Oh and they have also not paid taxes in this country like a mom who may be on medicaid insurance to have her baby and has lived in this country (and has paid taxes) who can't afford her hospitalization.

Those of you who say they are "exploited" in this country really need to look at our taxes and what our tax money is going toward. How can you be racist in being upset that you have to pay so much in your taxes for someone who has never paid a dime in U.S. taxes?? They may only make $1.50 an hour, but in the long run they are making a lot more than that by using our state funding for schools and hospitals.

My relatives were immigrants to LIVE in this country and make this country flourish. They paid taxes from day one in this country. There is a big difference with LEGALLY coming here to be a citizen and pay taxes with a social security number versus ILLEGALLY being here and using the tax funds. Eventually our hospitals and schools are going to be too over-burdened and will break from this expense.

Jessica-Phoenix, AZ

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#519 Consumer Comment

The true cost of illegal immigration

AUTHOR: Henry - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Saturday, April 28, 2007

A few months ago I posted facts about how illegal immigration affects US citizens, our government and our country. For some reason, it has "mysteriously disappeared" from this thread. I feel it is important for everyone to know why illegal immigration is a danger to all.

The Problems: Why should we stop this invasion and refuse amnesty to those already in the USA? How is it a threat to the US to allow this to continue with open borders?

Can anyone dispute the following facts? Can anyone tell us why most Democrats and the Bush administration are so pro-immigration in light of this information?

1. It is a threat to our national security. We must monitor who is allowed into our country for the safety of all citizens. Terrorists can easily cross our borders. "A group of al Qaeda terrorists is attempting to infiltrate the United States from Mexico to conduct attacks in the country, The Washington Times has learned. The al Qaeda members are working with Mexican organized crime groups, such as drug-trafficking organizations, in an attempt to enter the United States covertly, the officials said." According to the San Diego Union-Tribune, hours after the 9-11 attacks on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon, an anonymous caller led Mexican immigration agents to 41 undocumented Iraqis waiting to cross into the United States.

2. Crime among illegals has skyrocketed. Illegal immigrants are committing crimes such as robbery, identity theft, auto theft, serial rapes, serial murders, sexual homicides, child molestation and many other crimes. Our courts are jammed with illegals and our prisons are filled with them. The costs to process these criminals are staggering. Taxpayers must foot the bill for defense and prosecution attorneys, court costs, incarceration, parole services, and many more costs associated with illegal alien crime. Taxpayers pay half-a-billion dollars per year just incarcerating illegal alien criminals. Twelve Americans are murdered every day by illegal aliens, according to statistics released by Rep. Steve King, R-Iowa. That translates to 4,380 Americans murdered annually by illegal aliens. That's 21,900 since Sept. 11, 2001. Gangs are growing stronger and larger, becoming more dangerous and more organized and are rapidly spreading throughout the country and to many other countries as well.

3. We need to protect our children. According to the Violent Crimes Institute in Atlanta, based on a one-year in-depth study, research estimates show there are about 240,000 illegal immigrant sex offenders in the United States who have had an average of four victims each. This places the estimate for victimization numbers at close to 1,000,000 for the 88 months examined in this study

4. They are a burden to our school system. Classrooms are over-crowded and teachers cannot spend the time necessary to properly teach our kids. According to past studies, an estimated 1.1 million illegal immigrants are currently in the nation's public school systems. And a recent key finding of the report by the Federation for American Immigration Reform (FAIR) said that California's already struggling kindergarten-through-12th-grade education system spends $7.7 billion a year on children of illegal aliens, who constitute 15 percent of the student body. Rather than being used to improve the quality of education for current students, communities' limited tax dollars are instead being diverted to build new schools to accommodate population growth and to meet the special needs of immigrant children. Including special programs such as bilingual education, which can cost nearly 50 percent more than regular schooling, immigration costs the taxpayers over $24 billion a year in education costs.

5. They undercut our wages. They work for less than American workers can afford to work for. Because they often live in colonies or pack several families into a single family home, draw welfare and free public services, they live cheaply and will work for less than Americans.

6. They replace Americans in the work force. Because they provide cheap labor, many citizens have lost jobs so that large companies can employ this cheap workforce. Under NAFTA, Mexican and Canadian workers in 63 designated categories may be hired in the US, even if qualified American workers are available. The Center for Labor Market Studies at Northeastern University finds that millions of American workers are being severely harmed by the unprecedented wave of legal and illegal immigration over the past decade or so. In addition to the immediate economic impact on younger and less skilled Americans, the phenomenon will likely have long-term negative consequences for American society. As the Hispanic population continues to rise, more Native Americans are being displaced in the workforce.

7. They are bankrupting our health care system. They go to free clinics and hospital emergency rooms for free treatment, whether it is an emergency or not. Many hospitals have now closed their emergency rooms because they cannot afford to continue to provide these services without payment. An illegal alien mother only has to say she is "undocumented" in order to receive immediate - and free - medical care. Mexican ambulance drivers are driving their hospital patients who can't pay for medical care in Mexico, to facilities in the United States. They know that the federal Emergency Medical Act mandates that U.S. hospitals with emergency-room services must treat anyone who requires care, including illegal aliens. Eighty-four California hospitals have closed their ERs between 1994 and 2003.

8. They threaten the sovereignty of the United States. Mexicans are not coming here merely as individuals seeking economic opportunities, but as a nation, expressing their national identity and collective will. They refuse to learn English and they demand that their language be accepted and we have obliged them, inconveniencing our own citizens. We have to read through instructions to find the English versions, we have to press one to hear English on the telephone, signs and advertising are now in English and Spanish. Our schools are now having to provide Spanish-speaking teachers and Spanish textbooks. And most likely it will continue until all road signs and public notices are in Spanish as well. This is a tremendous cost to the taxpayers. The covert agreement signed in 2005 by President Bush, former Mexican President Fox, and the former Canadian Liberal Prime Minister Paul Martin known as the North American Union, aka "The Security and Prosperity Partnership of North America", is a plan to eliminate the borders between the US and Mexico and the US and Canada and is rapidly moving forward with very little fanfare. [The] Joint Statement of the three leaders [state] that our... boundaries will be defined by a common external tariff and an outer security perimeter within which the movement of people, products, and capital will be legal, orderly, and safe. The agreement further states: "A long-term goal should be to create a North American preference'new rules that would make it much easier for employees to move and for employers to recruit across national boundaries within the continent." In its section, "What We Should Do by 2010", it explains: "Move to full labor mobility between Canada and the United States. To make companies based in North America as competitive as possible in the global economy, Canada and the United States should consider eliminating all remaining barriers to the ability of their citizens to live and work in the other country. This free flow of people would offer an important advantage to employers in both countries by giving them rapid access to a larger pool of skilled labor, and would enhance the well-being of individuals in both countries by enabling them to move quickly to where their skills are needed. In the long term, the two countries should work to extend this policy to Mexico as well, though doing so will not be practical until wage differentials between Mexico and its two North American neighbors have diminished considerably." If this plan is enacted it would destroy our sovereignty and create a borderless United States and a common currency (called the Amero) among the three former countries.

9. America is getting over-crowded. Our highways are over-burdened and a simple commute to work sometimes takes hours. New roads and infrastructure are needed and the higher use of these things require more maintenance costing billions of dollars. The U.S. Census Bureau estimates that a new immigrant enters this country every 31 seconds. The Heritage Foundation found that the changes in immigration law would allow an estimated 103 million persons to legally immigrate to the United States over the next 20 years and "dramatically" change "the character of the nation."

10. Bi-lingual problems with public servants. Our police, drivers license employees, hospital employees, welfare workers, social workers, and many organizations must train or hire bi-lingual employees. Hiring bi-lingual employees is easier than training English-only speaking employees, so the bi-lingual is often hired ahead of US citizens that may be more qualified for the position.

11. Drug cartels can infiltrate the US easily. The majority of the drugs in this country come from Mexico. The increased availability of these drugs cause additional crime and devastation to the individuals and families of those who become addicted. Eighty percent of cocaine and 50% of heroin in the U.S. is smuggled across the border by Mexican nationals.

12. Hit and run accidents are on the rise. Because illegals do not want to get caught because they may be intoxicated, do not have a valid drivers license or insurance and fear deportation, they will flee the scene of an accident because they have nothing to lose, often leaving injured victims alone and helpless. Nearly 300 people are killed annually in hit-and-run accidents in California alone.

13. They use the "anchor baby" method to get citizenship. The 2.2 million children of illegal immigrants in America, often referred to as anchor babies, ensure the parents can stay, provide a path to citizenship for themselves and their families, and add an additional $20 billion to the tab for medical care. In a recent year in Colorado, the state's emergency Medicaid program paid an estimated $30 million in hospital and physician delivery costs for about 6,000 illegal immigrant mothers - average of $5,000 per baby. Those 6,000 births to illegal aliens represent 40% of the births paid for by Medicaid in Colorado. Those 6,000 babies immediately became U.S. citizens and qualified for full Medicaid services, with a cost yet to be tabulated.

14. Poverty is increasing. Since most Mexicans crossing the border are poverty stricken and under-educated, they are not providing the quality of citizens that will allow our country to maintain the high education standards and keep us powerful and prosperous. The poverty level will increase the need for the middle class to provide more support through taxes. Uneducated immigrants, regardless of heritage or ethnicity, who have little interest in education, generally end up with poorly educated children. Even in the fourth generation - after at least fifty to sixty years of "assimilation," it appears that the descendents of Mexican immigrants display scant interest in higher education. This is a stunning finding. It belies the expectation that college-based affirmative action programs would eventually level the education playing field.

15. They send back to Mexico billions of dollars per year. This is bad for the US economy because that money should stay in the US to keep our country financially strong. That money spent in the US for goods and services would strengthen our economy. Mexicans living outside their country sent home a record $23 billion dollars in 2006.

16. Illegal immigrants are allowed to claim children living back in Mexico and qualify for the earned-income tax credit that traditionally has helped the American poor.

17. They use more services than they provide in taxes. The Center for Immigration Studies in Washington, said U.S. households headed by illegal aliens used $26.3 billion in government services during 2002, but paid $16 billion in taxes, an annual cost to taxpayers of $10 billion.

18. They do not want to assimilate in the US. They want their own culture, flag, language, currency and do not try to become true Americans. It appears that they hate Americans but love the benefits America has to offer. When you add millions of immigrants that can't speak our national language, they emotionally, physically and intellectually separate. A nation cannot long survive when its citizens cannot speak to one another.

19. They are breaking the law by coming here. Their first encounter in the US is an illegal one, making them more inclined to feel it is OK to break the laws in the future. Granting amnesty to law-breakers only reinforces that philosophy.

20. Law enforcement officers are at risk. These guards risk their lives daily to protect our country. If the border was fenced, it would reduce the need for as many guards and would reduce the number of encounters with dangerous drug smugglers, violent criminals, and law breakers..

21. The proposed guest worker program would still allow unsupervised activity. Who will be responsible for the activities of these workers when they are not on the job? Who will pay the price for their crimes and illegal activities? And what are the real costs this program would add to the taxpayers' tab?

22. Taxpayers are paying for shelters for unemployed farm workers. Farmers and other agricultural workers who find themselves unemployed as a result of the recent crop-destroying cold snap can find assistance at 18 newly opened centers in California.

23. The spread of diseases to humans. "Undocumented" aliens are not inoculated against health threats resulting in new outbreaks of diseases such as leprosy, multiple-drug-resistant TB, Chagas disease, dengue fever, polio, malaria and intestinal parasites. With the reports of active TB cases, Americans should be especially worried about disease control, particularly since TB is considered an epidemic in Mexico. A brain infection caused by a pork tapeworm, is a "growing public health problem in the United States," especially in states bordering Mexico, where the disease is endemic.

24. The spread of diseases to livestock. Dr. Gary Thrasher, a Palominas veterinarian who specializes in cattle herd health, said stray cows are a major concern for ranchers on both sides of the U.S.-Mexico border. There are at least 30 serious health problems that can affect local herds, he said, and since most cows have not been exposed to all the illnesses, they haven't developed a natural resistance. Furthermore, Thrasher said there are at least 10 foreign illnesses that pose a risk to local cattle due to unregulated human traffic across the border. Possibly the most dangerous is foot-and-mouth disease. Thrasher said a major foot-and-mouth outbreak could virtually destroy the livestock industry in the United States.

25. Illegal aliens to receive Social Security benefits. Given the fact that a proposed Totalization Agreement would cover not just Mexican workers but also their spouses and dependents, it is highly likely that over time, potentially millions of people would receive U.S. Social Security benefits and the cost would be in the billions of dollars.

26. The actual costs to taxpayers for illegal immigration is more than $60 billion per year. FAIR research shows "the net annual cost of immigration has been estimated at between $67 and $87 billion a year. Congressman Ted Poe of Texas lists the costs of illegal immigration in his speech to Congress. If illegal aliens were legalized and began to pay taxes and use services like legal immigrants with the same education levels, the estimated annual fiscal deficit at the federal level would increase from $2,700 per household to nearly $7,700, for a total federal deficit of $29 billion.

27. Americans are being prosecuted and persecuted for protecting their country and their property. The two border agents, Ramos and Campean, are good examples of this but there are dozens upon dozens of cases where illegals prevail over US citizens. Rural citizens here have met with savage recriminations for exerting their legal rights. Immigration advocacy groups howl in protest, as does the Mexican government. Their lawyers have demanded that the ranchers be prosecuted for false arrest, kidnapping, intimidation, criminal assault and violation of civil rights anything lawyers can come up with to advance their clients' interests. Illegal immigrants have now sued some Cochise County citizens in American courts. In the Ramos/Campean case, the drug dealer was granted immunity from prosecution for his testimony against the two border agents and then sued the US for $5 million dollars for "violating his civil rights".

28. We are depleting our natural resources. Overpopulation is creating irreversible damage to our country and our planet. In many states, water is already a serious issue. More of our open spaces will be turned into housing communities, shopping centers and parking lots. Our animal species are fast becoming extinct. Pollution is destroying our sea beds, coral reefs, air quality, and many of our endangered species. Our wetlands are being destroyed. Over-produced farmland will be depleted of precious minerals. Our forests are being destroyed so that more homes can be built. Our landfills are becoming larger and larger. More sources of power will be needed and that means using more fuel to create it.

29. They are creating slums. Third world slums began appearing along our borders from Brownsville, Texas to San Diego, California in the 80s. They're called Colonias, which is Spanish for new neighborhoods. They feature shacks, no sewers, no streets, no running water, no electricity, no toilet facilities or waste pickup. The New York Times, March 3, 1988, Along the US Border, a Third World is Reborn, reported, Colonias are rusted trailers and shacks nailed together from tar paper and packing pallets without indoor toiletswith mounds of uncollected trash that attract ratsthe lack of sanitation has polluted the ground water to the point where many residents drink their own wastethe colonias feature Third World levels of hepatitis, dysentery, diarrhea, skin rashes, cholera and tuberculosisthey are contaminated, explosive, fecal, filthy, illegal, miserable, polluted, powder kegs, putrid, shocking, sick, stench filled, suffering and wrenching.

30. They are causing citizens' "out of pocket" costs to rise. Auto insurance rates are rising due to more uninsured drivers, hit and run accidents, reckless driving by illegals, and denser populations [read part 1 & part 2]. Medical coverage, health insurance, clinic fees, hospital visits are all rising due to illegal immigrants not paying their way. These are just a few of the cost increases individuals are facing.

31. Many illegals are being paid in cash and not reporting their income. Farm workers, gardeners, maids, housekeepers, laborers, are avoiding paying taxes yet are quick to take advantage of our free public services for low income or unemployed "undocumented" aliens.

32. They want to take back what they believe is their territory. There is a strong movement on to take back the territories they sold to the US. According to a Zogby poll in 2002, 58 percent of the Mexican people believed the U.S. Southwest belongs to Mexico, and 57 percent believed that Mexicans have the right to enter the United States without U.S. permission.

33. The Mexican government is aiding in the invasion. The Mexican invasion of the United States began decades ago as a spontaneous migration of ordinary Mexicans into the U.S. seeking economic opportunities. It has morphed into a campaign to occupy and gain power over our countrya project encouraged, abetted, and organized by the Mexican state and supported by the leading elements of Mexican society.

Anyone thinking that illegal immigration is a victimless crime is DEAD WRONG!

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#518 Consumer Comment

Great post Henry! And a comment to Aafes

AUTHOR: Steve - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Saturday, April 28, 2007

Henry,

It is good to finally see someone with some common sense on this thread. Good job.

As far as the propaganda that so many [Aafes] believe regarding the relationsip between wages and prices, here is some education.

Employee wages are a small part of the overall cost of running a business, usually being around 13%. Therefore, the difference between paying that person $9.00/hr and a living wage of about $12.00/hr would have nothing to do with the alleged $5 head of lettuce, etc.

This is nothing but propaganda by big business who simply expect obscene profits in everything they do, and hiring illegals helps achieve that goal.

There is a far more negative impact on our society as a whole with illegal immigration, than we would face without it.

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#517 Consumer Comment

And to the braindead one

AUTHOR: Steph - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Saturday, April 28, 2007

And to the braindead one who said that legal immigrants support illegals.

That is BS. I work with quite a few legals. They worked their tailends off to get here and are good honest people unlike the illegals. They are angrier at the criminals than others are much more so.

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#516 Consumer Comment

A few truths

AUTHOR: Steph - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Saturday, April 28, 2007

1. They never pay taxes. They steal an identity work under that claim emough exemptions not to pay taxes and low and behold someone finds the IRS after them for those taxes "earned" under their SSN.

2. The incidents of crimes committed is 5 times as high as those of any other group.

3. THEY WANT THE US TO BECOME MEXICO. They crapped their country and now want to crap ours.

Every other immigrant group comes here to become american. These "people" come here to make this country Mexico.

Good treat them this way. Make it so bad illegals don't want to come here.

Still they will until we stop them. Mexico is a big blankhole.

I do have to say seeing how the Muslims are destroying Europe I'd rather have the Mexicans than them. Most of the mexicans just want our money. The muslims want to kill us.

And if we really need these workers deport the criminals and every single one is one they are breaking the law by being here and bring in the millions of good people trying to get here legally.

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#515 Consumer Comment

To M - Brooklyn.

AUTHOR: Ernest - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Saturday, April 28, 2007

I don't think you have a clue as to how the system works. Legal immigration has nothing to do with embassies or consulates not issuing visas. They only issue travel visas for temporary visits and they can decide who is a security risk and turn the application down.

Legal immigration is at the discretion of the of the INS and only they issue permanent residence cards - green cards.

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#514 Consumer Comment

My suggestion to it all

AUTHOR: M - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Friday, April 27, 2007

After reading almost all the post and responses, I'll like to say this.

I feel many people venture to enter the USA illegally because even if they are qualified legally to get a visa to visit ot immigrate, when they go to the Consulates or Embassies they are most often then not denied visas even though their documents supports their cause.

It's a paradox in my opinion. The Consulates and Embassies must make money, so how else will they get a profit if they don't deny some people visas. This way those denied are told to apply again when their situation changes thus pouring more money into the US coffers.

The end results, a person would rather risk going ilegally to USA and stay then doing it the legal way and get rip off by the very system that has bene placed to monitor the flow of immigrants.

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#513 Consumer Comment

Response to Aafes dated 3/25/07

AUTHOR: Henry - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Saturday, April 14, 2007

Aafes stated the following:

"I have first hand knowledge of just what occurs in most of these situations, from farm labor to construction to meat packing plants.

"On average, most of the Americans who are hired to do these jobs last a week or less. I worked with the Unemployment office in Yuma Arizona for years and had job seekers that I placed in these jobs return repeatedly seeking new employment. When queried as to why they did not stay with the job in which they were place the responses ran from 'It is not worth being in the sun all day" to "Picking lettuce is too hard, my back hurts all the time and I can't do it....'"

Aafes, there are good reasons why many people are at the unemployment office in the first place. Many are lazy, expect to be paid a good wage for doing little work, are unreliable, or have alcohol or drug problems. They are there because no employer finds them to be acceptable workers. It's also true that Americans don't want to do that work for what many Mexicans will do it for. And that's understandable. Most Americans don't live with 20 people sharing a single family home, drive without auto insurance, and live off the free public assistance progams. So they have to be paid more in order to live a "normal" American lifestyle.

Aafes says: "Face it, most Americans are NOT going to work 12 hours in 104 degree weather picking lettuce for $9.00 an hour. On the same note we are not willing to pay $5.00 a pound for ground beef or $2500.00 for 2 square feet of driveway..."

I say: It is true that costs of products will increase due to higher wages. But you also have to factor in the costs of having illegals in this country. I have listed those costs in my previous post. I believe that when all is said and done, we will be better off financially and in many other ways if the illegals were not here and no amnesty was given to those here now.

Aafes says: "The employers MUST be held liable and the government must establish and enforce MANDATORY penalties for hiring undocumented workers. This will cost the tax base money so expect taxes to rise as a result.

"This will cost the employers profit so expect the prices of retail goods to rise.

"Or perhaps we should simply leave it alone."

I say: I agree that employers should be held liable and our government should enforce laws and impose penalties. But won't taxes decrease when the government no longer has to provide endless services to accommodate the illegal invaders? Leave it alone??? I don't think we can turn our heads when such a problem exists. That is what we have been doing for decades and the problems continue to worsen.

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#512 Consumer Comment

The real issues of illegal immigration

AUTHOR: Henry - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Thursday, April 12, 2007

I live in Southern California and just last week I took a trip to Rosarito in the Baja of Mexico. I had heard it was a great place to retire. What I found when I visited the area was quite a shock. This beautiful area on the western coast was like a slum. People living in broken down shacks and shoddy mobile homes, junk peddlers lined up on the streets, filthy sidewalks and streets, restaurants with disgusting restrooms, roads in disrepair... I could go on and on. On my way back home, for miles just before the border crossing in Tijuana, dozens and dozens of Mexicans were walking in and out of the five lanes of traffic that were crawling along waiting to cross the border, peddling everything imaginable... fruit, food, blankets, pottery, kid's desks, velvet paintings, trinkets, drinks, clothing... it was like a walking flea market. I half expected to see some one walking down between the lanes of cars carrying a sofa and recliner. Young children with their mothers dashing between cars with no regard for safety. I could not help but wonder how soon many areas in the United States would look the same as Rosarito and Tijuana. After all, we are allowing them to enter our country by the millions.

I keep hearing the same old arguments from the bleeding hearts... "These illegal Mexicans are doing the jobs Americans won't do." And... "Do you realize how much a head of lettuce would cost without this cheap labor?"

Well, the facts are that the work got done before the illegals poured into our country and the work will get done if they leave. And that head of lettuce will indeed cost us more, but our costs to support these illegals through free benefits given to them by our country will be reduced substantially.

If anyone thinks that illegal immigration does not affect us that much, they need to look at the following:

1. It is a threat to our national security. We must monitor who is allowed into our country for the safety of all citizens. Terrorists can easily cross our borders. "A group of al Qaeda terrorists is attempting to infiltrate the United States from Mexico to conduct attacks in the country, The Washington Times has learned. The al Qaeda members are working with Mexican organized crime groups, such as drug-trafficking organizations, in an attempt to enter the United States covertly, the officials said." According to the San Diego Union-Tribune, hours after the 9-11 attacks on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon, an anonymous caller led Mexican immigration agents to 41 undocumented Iraqis waiting to cross into the United States.

2. Crime among illegals has skyrocketed. Illegal immigrants are committing crimes such as robbery, identity theft, auto theft, serial rapes, serial murders, sexual homicides, child molestation and many other crimes. Our courts are jammed with illegals and our prisons are filled with them. The costs to process these criminals are staggering. Taxpayers must foot the bill for defense and prosecution attorneys, court costs, incarceration, parole services, and many more costs associated with illegal alien crime. Taxpayers pay half-a-billion dollars per year just incarcerating illegal alien criminals. Twelve Americans are murdered every day by illegal aliens, according to statistics released by Rep. Steve King, R-Iowa. That translates to 4,380 Americans murdered annually by illegal aliens. That's 21,900 since Sept. 11, 2001. Gangs are growing stronger and larger, becoming more dangerous and more organized and are rapidly spreading throughout the country and to many other countries as well.

3. We need to protect our children. According to the Violent Crimes Institute in Atlanta, based on a one-year in-depth study, research estimates show there are about 240,000 illegal immigrant sex offenders in the United States who have had an average of four victims each. This places the estimate for victimization numbers at close to 1,000,000 for the 88 months examined in this study

4. They are a burden to our school system. Classrooms are over-crowded and teachers cannot spend the time necessary to properly teach our kids. According to past studies, an estimated 1.1 million illegal immigrants are currently in the nation's public school systems. And a recent key finding of the report by the Federation for American Immigration Reform (FAIR) said that California's already struggling kindergarten-through-12th-grade education system spends $7.7 billion a year on children of illegal aliens, who constitute 15 percent of the student body. Rather than being used to improve the quality of education for current students, communities' limited tax dollars are instead being diverted to build new schools to accommodate population growth and to meet the special needs of immigrant children. Including special programs such as bilingual education, which can cost nearly 50 percent more than regular schooling, immigration costs the taxpayers over $24 billion a year in education costs.

5. They undercut our wages. They work for less than American workers can afford to work for. Because they often live in colonies or pack several families into a single family home, draw welfare and free public services, they live cheaply and will work for less than Americans.

6. They replace Americans in the work force. Because they provide cheap labor, many citizens have lost jobs so that large companies can employ this cheap workforce. Under NAFTA, Mexican and Canadian workers in 63 designated categories may be hired in the US, even if qualified American workers are available. The Center for Labor Market Studies at Northeastern University finds that millions of American workers are being severely harmed by the unprecedented wave of legal and illegal immigration over the past decade or so. In addition to the immediate economic impact on younger and less skilled Americans, the phenomenon will likely have long-term negative consequences for American society. As the Hispanic population continues to rise, more Native Americans are being displaced in the workforce.

7. They are bankrupting our health care system. They go to free clinics and hospital emergency rooms for free treatment, whether it is an emergency or not. Many hospitals have now closed their emergency rooms because they cannot afford to continue to provide these services without payment. An illegal alien mother only has to say she is "undocumented" in order to receive immediate - and free - medical care. Mexican ambulance drivers are driving their hospital patients who can't pay for medical care in Mexico, to facilities in the United States. They know that the federal Emergency Medical Act mandates that U.S. hospitals with emergency-room services must treat anyone who requires care, including illegal aliens. Eighty-four California hospitals have closed their ERs between 1994 and 2003.

8. They threaten the sovereignty of the United States. Mexicans are not coming here merely as individuals seeking economic opportunities, but as a nation, expressing their national identity and collective will. They refuse to learn English and they demand that their language be accepted and we have obliged them, inconveniencing our own citizens. We have to read through instructions to find the English versions, we have to press one to hear English on the telephone, signs and advertising are now in English and Spanish. Our schools are now having to provide Spanish-speaking teachers and Spanish textbooks. And most likely it will continue until all road signs and public notices are in Spanish as well. This is a tremendous cost to the taxpayers. The covert agreement signed in 2005 by President Bush, former Mexican President Fox, and the former Canadian Liberal Prime Minister Paul Martin known as the North American Union, aka "The Security and Prosperity Partnership of North America", is a plan to eliminate the borders between the US and Mexico and the US and Canada and is rapidly moving forward with very little fanfare. [The] Joint Statement of the three leaders [state] that our... boundaries will be defined by a common external tariff and an outer security perimeter within which the movement of people, products, and capital will be legal, orderly, and safe. The agreement further states: "A long-term goal should be to create a North American preference'new rules that would make it much easier for employees to move and for employers to recruit across national boundaries within the continent." In its section, "What We Should Do by 2010", it explains: "Move to full labor mobility between Canada and the United States. To make companies based in North America as competitive as possible in the global economy, Canada and the United States should consider eliminating all remaining barriers to the ability of their citizens to live and work in the other country. This free flow of people would offer an important advantage to employers in both countries by giving them rapid access to a larger pool of skilled labor, and would enhance the well-being of individuals in both countries by enabling them to move quickly to where their skills are needed. In the long term, the two countries should work to extend this policy to Mexico as well, though doing so will not be practical until wage differentials between Mexico and its two North American neighbors have diminished considerably." If this plan is enacted it would destroy our sovereignty and create a borderless United States and a common currency (called the Amero) among the three former countries.

9. America is getting over-crowded. Our highways are over-burdened and a simple commute to work sometimes takes hours. New roads and infrastructure are needed and the higher use of these things require more maintenance costing billions of dollars. The U.S. Census Bureau estimates that a new immigrant enters this country every 31 seconds. The Heritage Foundation found that the changes in immigration law would allow an estimated 103 million persons to legally immigrate to the United States over the next 20 years and "dramatically" change "the character of the nation."

10. Bi-lingual problems with public servants. Our police, drivers license employees, hospital employees, welfare workers, social workers, and many organizations must train or hire bi-lingual employees. Hiring bi-lingual employees is easier than training English-only speaking employees, so the bi-lingual is often hired ahead of US citizens that may be more qualified for the position.

11. Drug cartels can infiltrate the US easily. The majority of the drugs in this country come from Mexico. The increased availability of these drugs cause additional crime and devastation to the individuals and families of those who become addicted. Eighty percent of cocaine and 50% of heroin in the U.S. is smuggled across the border by Mexican nationals.

12. Hit and run accidents are on the rise. Because illegals do not want to get caught because they may be intoxicated, do not have a valid drivers license or insurance and fear deportation, they will flee the scene of an accident because they have nothing to lose, often leaving injured victims alone and helpless. Nearly 300 people are killed annually in hit-and-run accidents in California alone.

13. They use the "anchor baby" method to get citizenship. The 2.2 million children of illegal immigrants in America, often referred to as anchor babies, ensure the parents can stay, provide a path to citizenship for themselves and their families, and add an additional $20 billion to the tab for medical care. In a recent year in Colorado, the state's emergency Medicaid program paid an estimated $30 million in hospital and physician delivery costs for about 6,000 illegal immigrant mothers - average of $5,000 per baby. Those 6,000 births to illegal aliens represent 40% of the births paid for by Medicaid in Colorado. Those 6,000 babies immediately became U.S. citizens and qualified for full Medicaid services, with a cost yet to be tabulated.

14. Poverty is increasing. Since most Mexicans crossing the border are poverty stricken and under-educated, they are not providing the quality of citizens that will allow our country to maintain the high education standards and keep us powerful and prosperous. The poverty level will increase the need for the middle class to provide more support through taxes. Uneducated immigrants, regardless of heritage or ethnicity, who have little interest in education, generally end up with poorly educated children. Even in the fourth generation - after at least fifty to sixty years of "assimilation," it appears that the descendents of Mexican immigrants display scant interest in higher education. This is a stunning finding. It belies the expectation that college-based affirmative action programs would eventually level the education playing field.

15. They send back to Mexico billions of dollars per year. This is bad for the US economy because that money should stay in the US to keep our country financially strong. That money spent in the US for goods and services would strengthen our economy. Mexicans living outside their country sent home a record $23 billion dollars in 2006.

16. Illegal immigrants are allowed to claim children living back in Mexico and qualify for the earned-income tax credit that traditionally has helped the American poor.

17. They use more services than they provide in taxes. The Center for Immigration Studies in Washington, said U.S. households headed by illegal aliens used $26.3 billion in government services during 2002, but paid $16 billion in taxes, an annual cost to taxpayers of $10 billion.

18. They do not want to assimilate in the US. They want their own culture, flag, language, currency and do not try to become true Americans. It appears that they hate Americans but love the benefits America has to offer. When you add millions of immigrants that can't speak our national language, they emotionally, physically and intellectually separate. A nation cannot long survive when its citizens cannot speak to one another.

19. They are breaking the law by coming here. Their first encounter in the US is an illegal one, making them more inclined to feel it is OK to break the laws in the future. Granting amnesty to law-breakers only reinforces that philosophy.

20. Law enforcement officers are at risk. These guards risk their lives daily to protect our country. If the border was fenced, it would reduce the need for as many guards and would reduce the number of encounters with dangerous drug smugglers, violent criminals, and law breakers..

21. The proposed guest worker program would still allow unsupervised activity. Who will be responsible for the activities of these workers when they are not on the job? Who will pay the price for their crimes and illegal activities? And what are the real costs this program would add to the taxpayers' tab?

22. Taxpayers are paying for shelters for unemployed farm workers. Farmers and other agricultural workers who find themselves unemployed as a result of the recent crop-destroying cold snap can find assistance at 18 newly opened centers in California.

23. The spread of diseases to humans. "Undocumented" aliens are not inoculated against health threats resulting in new outbreaks of diseases such as leprosy, multiple-drug-resistant TB, Chagas disease, dengue fever, polio, malaria and intestinal parasites. With the reports of active TB cases, Americans should be especially worried about disease control, particularly since TB is considered an epidemic in Mexico. A brain infection caused by a pork tapeworm, is a "growing public health problem in the United States," especially in states bordering Mexico, where the disease is endemic.

24. The spread of diseases to livestock. Dr. Gary Thrasher, a Palominas veterinarian who specializes in cattle herd health, said stray cows are a major concern for ranchers on both sides of the U.S.-Mexico border. There are at least 30 serious health problems that can affect local herds, he said, and since most cows have not been exposed to all the illnesses, they haven't developed a natural resistance. Furthermore, Thrasher said there are at least 10 foreign illnesses that pose a risk to local cattle due to unregulated human traffic across the border. Possibly the most dangerous is foot-and-mouth disease. Thrasher said a major foot-and-mouth outbreak could virtually destroy the livestock industry in the United States.

25. Illegal aliens to receive Social Security benefits. Given the fact that a proposed Totalization Agreement would cover not just Mexican workers but also their spouses and dependents, it is highly likely that over time, potentially millions of people would receive U.S. Social Security benefits and the cost would be in the billions of dollars.

26. The actual costs to taxpayers for illegal immigration is more than $60 billion per year. FAIR research shows "the net annual cost of immigration has been estimated at between $67 and $87 billion a year. Congressman Ted Poe of Texas lists the costs of illegal immigration in his speech to Congress. If illegal aliens were legalized and began to pay taxes and use services like legal immigrants with the same education levels, the estimated annual fiscal deficit at the federal level would increase from $2,700 per household to nearly $7,700, for a total federal deficit of $29 billion.

27. Americans are being prosecuted and persecuted for protecting their country and their property. The two border agents, Ramos and Campean, are good examples of this but there are dozens upon dozens of cases where illegals prevail over US citizens. Rural citizens here have met with savage recriminations for exerting their legal rights. Immigration advocacy groups howl in protest, as does the Mexican government. Their lawyers have demanded that the ranchers be prosecuted for false arrest, kidnapping, intimidation, criminal assault and violation of civil rights anything lawyers can come up with to advance their clients' interests. Illegal immigrants have now sued some Cochise County citizens in American courts. In the Ramos/Campean case, the drug dealer was granted immunity from prosecution for his testimony against the two border agents and then sued the US for $5 million dollars for "violating his civil rights".

28. We are depleting our natural resources. Overpopulation is creating irreversible damage to our country and our planet. In many states, water is already a serious issue. More of our open spaces will be turned into housing communities, shopping centers and parking lots. Our animal species are fast becoming extinct. Pollution is destroying our sea beds, coral reefs, air quality, and many of our endangered species. Our wetlands are being destroyed. Over-produced farmland will be depleted of precious minerals. Our forests are being destroyed so that more homes can be built. Our landfills are becoming larger and larger. More sources of power will be needed and that means using more fuel to create it.

29. They are creating slums. Third world slums began appearing along our borders from Brownsville, Texas to San Diego, California in the 80s. They're called Colonias, which is Spanish for new neighborhoods. They feature shacks, no sewers, no streets, no running water, no electricity, no toilet facilities or waste pickup. The New York Times, March 3, 1988, Along the US Border, a Third World is Reborn, reported, Colonias are rusted trailers and shacks nailed together from tar paper and packing pallets without indoor toiletswith mounds of uncollected trash that attract ratsthe lack of sanitation has polluted the ground water to the point where many residents drink their own wastethe colonias feature Third World levels of hepatitis, dysentery, diarrhea, skin rashes, cholera and tuberculosisthey are contaminated, explosive, fecal, filthy, illegal, miserable, polluted, powder kegs, putrid, shocking, sick, stench filled, suffering and wrenching.

30. They are causing citizens' "out of pocket" costs to rise. Auto insurance rates are rising due to more uninsured drivers, hit and run accidents, reckless driving by illegals, and denser populations [read part 1 & part 2]. Medical coverage, health insurance, clinic fees, hospital visits are all rising due to illegal immigrants not paying their way. These are just a few of the cost increases individuals are facing.

31. Many illegals are being paid in cash and not reporting their income. Farm workers, gardeners, maids, housekeepers, laborers, are avoiding paying taxes yet are quick to take advantage of our free public services for low income or unemployed "undocumented" aliens.

32. They want to take back what they believe is their territory. There is a strong movement on to take back the territories they sold to the US. According to a Zogby poll in 2002, 58 percent of the Mexican people believed the U.S. Southwest belongs to Mexico, and 57 percent believed that Mexicans have the right to enter the United States without U.S. permission.

33. The Mexican government is aiding in the invasion. The Mexican invasion of the United States began decades ago as a spontaneous migration of ordinary Mexicans into the U.S. seeking economic opportunities. It has morphed into a campaign to occupy and gain power over our countrya project encouraged, abetted, and organized by the Mexican state and supported by the leading elements of Mexican society.

So, illegal immigration is neither a victim-less crime nor is it insignificant in regards to the effect on the American people. The fault lies with our own government and it's representatives. We must demand that our borders be secured, employers be severely punished for hiring illegals, illegal lawbreakers that are caught be punished and then quickly deported, and a system be put in place to identify legal residents. Only then should we address the issue of what to do with the remaining illegal aliens. Plug the holes, enforce the laws, and then deal with remaining problems.

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We have legal ways to become citizens in this country

AUTHOR: Kristin - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Wednesday, April 11, 2007

It is very sad to see those kind of living conditions right here in the United States. But unfortunatly if all of the workers were legal then they would have valid rights to take agressive action.

I have read some very harsh words being tossed around in regards to race and culture and i know when people are emotional about things that they tend to lash out, but the fact of the mater is this country is founded on all races and should be done the legal way..

I realize it is a very heated subject with the imigration and I also realize that no one really wants those jobs .

My father and all of his siblings came over from germany during the 2nd world war and there was so many rules that they had to comply with before they were allowed into the states.

I believe that immigration laws are in place to protect both the american citizen and the imigrants wanting to become a citizen.

I have to be honest and say that the monthly amount I pay out in income taxes is gruesome. When I think about all the Americans that are on welfare who could help out in the fields and find decent work if they just tried. The key is we need to find a way to stop driving down the wages of the blue collar worker and bring them back up so that the citizens of America will want to take those jobs and get off the goverment assisted checks and go out and make there own way. No american wants to work for less than decent wages. And no American should work for less than decent wages and the empoleyers should quit paying sub standard wages.
Honestly I am tired of paying for familys who are not trying to help themselfs in this great country.

Look at what the people from Cuba do just to come to america. They risk their lifes at sea in a little rubber inter tube just to have the chance at making a better life for them selfs. Why is it that in some cases only the imigrants who appreciate our country and fight for the right to improve their livng conditons
We have lower income and poverty citizens all over the country and for some reason the majority of them lost their fight to reach the top or cant get any help from the goverment to at least stand on there own feet.

We are to focused on everyone else than on us. We need to fix and clean our house before fixing someone elses house. And I am not a bigot, it is just that we have the same oppresion here in the states and the same poverty right in our own back yard and who is standing up for them?

We need to stop the illegal crossing of the boarders and start paying decent wages to american workers so that we can keep the citizens of our country working and paying their mortgages or rent.

Lets reach out and help the people who need it here in the states.

I travel all over the world and have seen horrible conditions and which I am very lucky and thankful that I was born in the states. I knwo that if I buckle down and work my butt off I can get what I need, maybe not what i want but need. Is it to much to ask to help our own first. And that is regardless of race or gender. If the white crack w***e wants to go to school to better her self and quit selling her butt to put food on the table for her kids dont you think we should try to make that possible?

We need to quit pointing the finger and start working on our country.

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#510 Consumer Suggestion

If you wanna be an american..thats fine, get the proper documents and get in line just like my family did 100 years ago.

AUTHOR: John - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Tuesday, March 27, 2007

wow! talk about a long thread

I tried to read every post on this subject of illegals but there were just to many to read.

Personally I don't understand why it is so difficult for some people to understand what it going on here.

In my opinion its all political,and the people getting screwed are the american middle class people. Look the Democrats love the illegals here cuz they will become democrats and vote them into office, so the more the merrier for them. The big business likes them here because they can exploit them and get cheap labor. The illegals like it cuz they can have work, use our school sytem for free and use our medical system for free. Who gets screwed on this deal? the average american because we are paying for the so called free schools and free medical and we are losing jobs to illegal, not to mention the increase in crime. It is we the average american that suffers from the onslaught of illegals.

Look this country has laws just like any other country has laws, and almost all countrys have borders and strong laws that guard their borders, the USA is no different.

If you live in Guadamala just south of Mexico and you sneak across the border into Mexico and the Mexicans catch you, you are in big trouble. Im talking beatings, rape, jail, theft, etc So the Mexicans have no right complaining to Americans about our border system.

Next, crossing into this country without the proper papers and permission is ILLEGAL, period. Once a person, any person of any race or religion or whatever crosses into this nation without proper legal documantation you are considered an ILLEGAL ALIEN...period.

Not only are you breaking the laws of anerica, you are slapping us in the face, you are also cutting the line of many people who do have the proper documents and who have waited sometimes for years to get into this country.

As for the guy that said something to the effect that some of our states used to belong to Mexico. Well you need to brush up on your history because if you knew what you were talking about you would know that much of the land you speak of was PURCHASED from Mexico, and the remaining was won in battle. Also you seem to forget that before the Mexicans were here the Native Americans were here...so whose land is it the Americans? the Mexicans? or the Native Americans? something to think about.

Not only that, what would you do with all this land if it magically became mexico again? you can't even manage mexico, Mexico is a mess, always has been and probably always will be...so what do you want with more land when you can't take care of what you now have?

As for the French, leave them out of this, they are spinless, even mexico kicked their a*s. They talk alot but are harmless, just ignore them, and never depend on them to watch your back.

The USA is what it is which is one of if not the best country in the world. Stop trying to change us and stop trying to abuse us. We are sorry so many other countries dont have their act together, we are sorry so many countries are poor and have corrupt goverments,we are sorry so many countries have dictators or socialists, we are sorry you have poverty and revelutions and crime and poor economies and all your other problems. However, blamming the USA is not going to solve your problems and sneaking across our borders wont solve your problems either.

If you wanna be an american..thats fine, get the proper documents and get in line just like my family did 100 years ago.

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#509 Consumer Comment

Response to Jeff - there are Americans willing to take the jobs. However, the record of those same job seekers being reliable and showing up day in and day out to perform a job that is tantamount to hard labor is poor.

AUTHOR: Aafes - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Sunday, March 25, 2007

Jeff, while I respect your "drive by" observations of Illegal immigrants taking jobs from Americans who would be willing to take them I must dissent.

I have first hand knowledge of just what occurs in most of these situations, from farm labor to construction to meat packing plants.

Yes, there are Americans willing to take the jobs. However, the record of those same job seekers being reliable and showing up day in and day out to perform a job that is tantamount to hard labor is poor.

On average, most of the Americans who are hired to do these jobs last a week or less. I worked with the Unemployment office in Yuma Arizona for years and had job seekers that I placed in these jobs return repeatedly seeking new employment. When queried as to why they did not stay with the job in which they were place the responses ran from "It is not worth being in the sun all day" to "Picking lettuce is too hard, my back hurts all the time and I can't do it...."

I would expect the same is true of meat packing plant jobs, construction jobs or any other hard labor job. While I acknowledge there are many hard working Americans willing to take the jobs and some will stick with them it is not the norm.

Our economy, and our inherent desire to live cheaply so we can afford luxuries has driven contractors, suppliers etc. to seek the cheapest work force available. Face it, most Americans are NOT going to work 12 hours in 104 degree weather picking lettuce for $9.00 an hour. On the same note we are not willing to pay $5.00 a pound for ground beef or $2500.00 for 2 square feet of driveway...

As long as the jobs are available, the employers provide them without real fear of penalty from the Government the workers will continue to come.

The employers MUST be held liable and the government must establish and enforce MANDATORY penalties for hiring undocumented workers. This will cost the tax base money so expect taxes to rise as a result.

This will cost the employers profit so expect the prices of retail goods to rise.

Or perhaps we should simply leave it alone.

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#508 Consumer Comment

Bunch of Bull

AUTHOR: Jeff - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Sunday, March 25, 2007

You know this whole thing that "Americans wont take the jobs" is a bunch of crap.

I am a truck driver,I deal with illegal's at least twice a week.

Lets get something straight,they are taking just farm laborer jobs.Since when do Americans not want to lay a new driveway,put on a new roof,change the oil in a car,or run a forklift.

You argument is totally bogus.I am not racist,nor am I against immigration.We need it and its part of what our country is all about.

But you need to be brought down to reality.
I haul everything from food,multi million dollar medical loads to airplane parts.Nearly every warehouse I dock at I come acorss a hispanic worker who cant even count to 3 in english.

Does anyone remember when the feds busted Swift Meats a few months back? I do,I haul lots of loads for Smith Meats.I saw first hane the dozens upon dozens of illegals working there.What everyone seems to forget,or ignore,is the massive line of AMERICANS who lined up to fill those new job openings.Of course you didnt see it on the nightly news.But you saw it on the internet and heard about it on talk radio.Back in the 80's meat packing plants paid around $18 an hour.Today its what $9 an hour or so.Why is that? Its obvious,illegal labor is willing to work for it.

Or ask the several dozen African American workers who were told to go home in Mississippi after Katrina hit the gulf coast.This of course was only reported on Fox News.In case you didnt hear about it heres a little run down.

Over 3 dozen African Americans from Alabama were hired by a temp agency to go help with the clean up.These people were paid only $10 an hour.These folks were all hurricane victims themselves.Most lost their homes and jobs and were using this job as a way to get back on their feet.Well about 2 weeks later they were told to go home,they were no longer need because " the Mexicans are here!" The woman who owns the temp agency said these guys left with tears in their eyes.Someone please justify this?

This isnt a race issue.Its a culture and security issue.Admit it or not illegal aliens cost us Americans billions of dollars a year.

They refuse to assimilate to our culture,instead they try forcing their culture down our throats.If they dont get their way some pro illegal group files a lawsuit.

I honestly do not believe the average American realizes the size of this problem.

I am not suggesting we deport all the illegals that our here now.I honestly feel that is a near impossible task,notice I said "NEAR" impossible.

If this keeps up at this rate America is destined to become a third world nation in 20-30 years.Just take a ride along I10 through El Paso TX and notice all the shanties and little mud huts that dot the hills.Its disgusting.

We are playing on a very very slippery slope with very dangerous and unintended consequences on the horizen.

Again this is not a race issue.I have no problems with any race,but I have a problem with people breaking our laws,destroying our quality of life and stealing jobs from honest Americans.Again please do not try and throw that "NO AMERICANS WILL TAKE THE JOB" crap at me.Its partly corporate greed,and a sell out govt behind this whole issue!

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#507 Consumer Suggestion

Annex Mexico

AUTHOR: Ben - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Tuesday, March 06, 2007

Problem solved, annex mexico and restructure the entire economy. Eliminate the craptacular housing and most of the laws. They have the jobs there. How much of our stuff is manufactured in mexico?

Biggest reason not to is so that The American people can continue to be lead on a direct path into slavery. The leaders of this charge are our Illegal Immigrants that accept these low paying jobs and terrible conditions to live in.

Anyone that can provide proof otherwise speak up. I have seen it first hand.

And I have not insulted anyone but if you feel so strongly why not start putting your money where you mouth is instead of telling us we are all wrong and calling us racist for offering a logical sollution. You pay for them to be here out of you pocket. Not out of taxes but out of the money you make each year. Give up 80% of the income.

Get rid of youre BMW, $500,000.00 home and subscription to playboy, than come talk to me. Oh and you cant qoute from the bible without the old testament.

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#506 Consumer Comment

I agree...

AUTHOR: Cory - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Sunday, March 04, 2007

What this last gentleman said is true. They have destroyed the environment...I grew up in Douglas, Arizona. My house is about 700 yards from the border. I grew UP watching these people run loose out there. Yet, they never bothered me, my family, or my neighbors. They never stole from us, the never damaged any of our property. So, in that respect I cant say anything negative. As I've said before, I am Hispanic. I have DOZENS of people in my family that came here illegally. They're all here to work. Not sell drugs, steal cars, break into homes, etc... However I know there are Thousands that do. Nobody can deny that. This topic just has me so exhausted and upset, that I've chosen to bow out of the discussion for awhile. Last night, i was surfing the net and came across a website that shows videos. Not normal videos...Videos of Torture, Execution, and other violent acts. I saw one that piqued my interest, so I watched. I wish I hadn't. It was a video of gentleman taken hostage by insurgents. He was pleading to our government BEGGING them for help. But, alas....We dont negotiate with terrorists. This man was promptly shoved to the floor while his head was hacked off with a knife. I couldn't STAND to watch it...but I couldn't turn away...We are putting people into these situations on a daily basis...Yet, so many people are more concerned about money than they are about human lives... It sickens me. These Immigrants may be here illegally, but they're still human beings. REGARDLESS of their status, they need to be treated as such. LEGAL Americans are getting butchered like livestock because our government doesnt give a s**t. When the world started worrying more about money than the people in it, we lost. I'm not a religious person by any means. I Detest religion and everything it stands for...but I now firmly believe...The End Is Near

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#505 Consumer Comment

Mistreatment of Illegal Immigrant Workers?

AUTHOR: Russ - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Thursday, March 01, 2007

First my credentials; I live in Cochise County, Arizona approximately 4 miles from the boarder with the Republic of Mexico. I am retired military and have served in Vietnam, Europe, Asia, and Africa. I am a registered independent, I vote the issues not the party.

During the over 20 years I have lived here I have seen the environmental destruction caused by the invasion of illegal aliens from the south. To say this ever increasing stampede of illegal's has altered the way of life for boarder residents is putting it mildly.

20 years ago my son and I could go hiking or bike riding in the Huachuca Mountains and take a tent and sleeping bags and camp almost anywhere in the mountains. That is not true today. Besides the danger of assault and robbery there is the ever present danger of disease due to fecal contamination and rotting garbage left by the invading hordes from the south.

I had to laugh at the naivety of the comments by Billy from Santa Ana. I have personally witnessed bands of men in dark clothing carrying backpacks along mountain trails. On one very freighting encounter I had my grandchildren with me when we had to hide off the trail when 16 men in black passed us by. The lead man and the end man were both carrying AK47s. Perhaps Billy is right, maybe they were just making a delivery of some secret taco sauce to Taco Bell but I don't really think so.

Some facts that have not been mentioned here are remittances and the pending Totalization Agreement with the Republic of Mexico. For those who do not know what they are, remittances are money earned in the US that leaves the US heading to foreign countries. This money is earned by citizens and legal and illegal aliens. Last year, by Mexican government figures, $14 BILLION was sent to Mexico. Next to oil exports this is Mexico's second largest source of hard currency. Most economists will tell you that every dollar is usually turned over five times in a normal economy. That means that the $14,000,000,000 equates to $70,000,000,000 in spend able, i.e. taxable, dollars. At even the unrealistically low tax rate of 5% that is $3,500,000,000 in lost tax revenue. That would build a lot of schools, roads, and maybe even go a ways toward balancing the budget.

The Totalization Agreement with the Republic of Mexico is far more frightening than remittances. The agreement, which the good people in DC tried desperately to hide from the American people, will pay Social Security benefits to illegal aliens in the states and/or after they return to Mexico. The fact that most illegal aliens use fake social security cards to get work is an undeniable fact. So here is the question, whose social security money will be heading south? This is so important that you should share this with all your friends and urge them to write to their congressional delegates and post it on as many forums and chat room as they can.

So, what should we do about Mexico's problem? First, make no mistake, it is a Mexican problem that they have successfully exported to the US. We need to force Mexico to change its corrupt repressive government. How, by making it more uncomfortable for a Mexican to come US than it would be for them to stay home and work for change. One way to do this is to do as Patrick from Gilbert suggested, go after employers. If you leave scrap food on your floor you can't blame the cockroach for coming to eat it and you can't blame the individual illegal alien when the scrap wages they earn in the US are far greater than they could ever hope to earn in Mexico.
Second, we need a Constitutional Amendment that clearly says the citizenship status of a child shall be that of its birth mother. If a claim for citizenship of a child is made by any other person that person must provide irrefutable proof through DNA testing, at their own expense, that they are the parent of the child. In Arizona we call these poor children anchor babies' because they are used to try and drag the family into the states. I have had people tell me this is unfair to the child. My answer is this, if someone steals your car and is driving their family around in it when the police catch them should they get to keep the car because it is unfair to make their children walk?

I would like to write more but my dogs are barking and my sensor lights just came on so I have to go and make sure the friendly job seekers from the south don't cut my fences and *&*& in my yard.

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#504 Consumer Comment

This debate has NOTHING to do with drugs, their influx, or their origin.

AUTHOR: Cory - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Saturday, February 10, 2007

I've been sitting idly by watching people insult each other for WAY too long. Most of you seem to have lost sight of the topic. Most of you (while spitting out VERY poor grammar) feel more of a need to insult others...

If you're going to insult someone, don't spell everything you say wrong...not only does it make you look ignorant, it makes you look incredibly stupid.

This debate has NOTHING to do with drugs, their influx, or their origin. But, since we're on the topic, lets get the facts straight. Cocaine is the major export of Colombia and Peru. NOT Mexico. It comes THROUGH Mexico...not FROM Mexico. It is NOT only an American issue, either.
Cocaine is readily available in all major countries' metropolitan areas...

Cocaine is the LEAST of our worries, guys. Methamphetamine is a MUCH bigger problem in this country right now. Go ahead...Thank the Japanese for that one... Invented BY the Japanese, FOR the Japanese in 1893. It was first officially used in World War II by the Germans. (I dont see Mexico anywhere in here, do you?)

Will, From Idaho. You are simply proving that "Bush Backers" are as smart as the man himself. Any smart person could see right through 9/11 as a government conspiracy...but i'll let that start it's OWN arguement...

Apparently, everybody sickens Will. You show me one shred of evidence that "immigrants are a drain on this economy" and I'll show you a 7 legged horse. America didn't NEED an official language. That law was passed to pacify and satisfy ALL of you republicans who were whining, bitching, and moaning because you didn't know whether or not those "mexicans" were talking about you or not. Things aren't going to change because that stupid law was passed. If anything, they'll just use it to piss you off even more.

I'm Hispanic. I was raised speaking both English AND Spanish. Thanks to your "Official Language Law", I now have the option of working as an Interpreter....Seeing as how now they'll be required in more places. I look at the majority of this thread and almost fall over with laughter. You call us "bleeding hearts"... The United States Of America was FOUNDED on the premise of the so-called "Bleeding Heart".

I hate to have to quote this AGAIN, but, here goes...It's right off of our GOOD OL STATUE OF LIBERTY!

"Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed, to me:
I lift my lamp beside the golden door."

Again, I say...Illegal immigration will NEVER go away. Not in OUR lifetime nor the generations that follows... There IS no solution...
I also see that this debate has rekindled the fire under the a*s of the KKK. They're not ready for the challenge, I can assure you of that...

Where and the hell do you get the notion that if Gore was elected, we'd be speaking Arabic???? I hardly ever ask this, but...Are you retarded? I can assure you that had Gore been elected, we wouldn't have lost so many friends and family to this "War". This REPUBLICAN war that has prompted more countries to enter the "Nuclear Arms Race". Have you ever seen so many countries as defiant as you see them now? Honestly? This country needs to focus LESS on this immigration thing and MORE on the war it started...

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#503 Consumer Comment

will you owe an apology

AUTHOR: Charles - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Tuesday, January 16, 2007

Will, you owe an apology to everybody who reads this thread I don't care If you'er a republican but you don't have to bad mouth people who are democrats or insult us!, I know in your eyes you have done nothing wrong. I, have had it with the insults from the bush fans! we are all tired of being treated like nothing!, cause we are democrats!. Again, this thread is about illegal immigrants please find the right report for democrats & republicans!, not this thread you own an apology though we all know one will not be coming from you!. I, do not support illegal immigrants in anyway I oppose them! & nobody will make me support illegal immigrants!.

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#502 Consumer Comment

Will you started this

AUTHOR: Charles - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Tuesday, January 16, 2007

Will, this thread has nothing to do with democrats or republicans this has to do with illegal immgrants, I never said I support illegial immigrants. If, you have to post something about the democrats or republicans use the bush reports & do not bring up anything about democrats, or republicans in this thread. You, need to go to a thread that supports democrats or republicans not this thread!, I oppose illegal immigrant & noone is going to tell me to support it!.

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#501 Consumer Comment

Charles is an obvious idiot

AUTHOR: Will - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Sunday, January 14, 2007

Well Charlie,
Get full from your Kool-Aid? Remember, that crap rots your intelligence... Oh, too late. Am I a Bush backer? You darn right. Why? Since 9/11, had it been Gore in office, I would be replying to your ilk in ARABIC!!
And it is true you bleeding heart liberals love to give everything away. Remember it was a democrat who started the welfare program! Now you want to give he country away? You sicken me!

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#500 Consumer Comment

So Charles is a bleeding heart liberal

AUTHOR: Will - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Wednesday, January 10, 2007

Congrats. Shall you vote on an immagration bill before you voted against it too? Listen, The whole immagration thing is a drain on the economy and you all KNOW IT! You just want to claim it to be a good thing to get the votes. Am I a Bush backer? You d**n right I am. Why? Because I can rebutt these comments from people like you in English. If it were Gore or Kerry in office, I would have to rebutt in Spanish or worse yet, arabic! Get out of the Kool-Aod jar and look around. The world is a mess and you want to condone illeagal actions. You sicken me!

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#499 Consumer Comment

What was the purpose of that post Charles?

AUTHOR: Patrick - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Wednesday, January 10, 2007

Charles,

Why do you insist on coming here and posting the same old drivel about Bush fans? Why did you even post a response this last time? I did not seen anyone trying to blame something on the Democraps. In fact, Will said "California Liberals". Why do you even bother?


Will,

Yes "illegal" still means "illegal", and I would just assume see all illegal immigrants (no matter what their nationality) be sent packing right back to their homeland. However, as stated before, simply rounding them up and sending them back is not the solution to the problem. Governments MUST start penalizing the business owners who regularly and knowingly hire "illegals".

And once again, this report is not about illegal immigrants. It's about the unethical and inhumane treatment of migrant workers by Arizona farm families and business owners. And just because they are migrant workers does not automatically make them illegals. There are thousands of migrant workers in the US who have come here legally, work for a wage, and send the money back home.

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#498 Consumer Comment

Bush fans will always blame democrats

AUTHOR: Charles - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Tuesday, January 09, 2007

Bush, fans will always blame democrats for everything just ignore the bush fans they are here just to get us upsest & angry which Is their goal, why do you think we all voted for democrats!. Bush, fans should not be allowed to post on here If all they are going to do, Is treat people badly that Is why we voted them out of congress!.

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#497 Consumer Comment

YHou have got to be kidding me!

AUTHOR: Will - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Monday, January 08, 2007

An illeagal tresspasser cried over mistreatment and could not even post it thelselves? A translator had to be called in? Look. You came here by breaking the law. Now you want the law to work in your favor? Go to California. Better yet, go back home! The liberals California love to give away money and blame Bush for it.
Remember when the term "illeagal" meant a bad thing? I do.

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#496 Consumer Comment

Mexico is getting more jobs!

AUTHOR: Dona - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Wednesday, January 03, 2007

I have read through many of the posts and am shaking my head. The whole point of the post is not blame the Mexicans or any other immigrants, it is, in my opinion, to complain about ILLEGAL immigrants. As long as illegals can get away with it, they will.

I think it is hog wash to say that legal Americans will not work hard or pick fruit for a living. I know many people who have worked in the orchards so that they don't have to live off of welfare. I have witnessed first hand a Mexican walk into a public aide office and walk out with food stamps, only to be told that my family did not qualify because I was married and had a job working for minimum wage. We were "over income" for a family of four. And before someone asks why my husband didn't get a job- he had one and was laid off because his job was outsourced. But I was told if I was a single mother, I would qualify.

It just burns my butt that a tax paying citizen has less support and rights than someone who does not pay taxes or contribute to the economy. If immigrants want to live here, they should live by our laws and make our country better not be a drain on society. I know there are legal citizens that are a drain and that should be addressed as well.

If the crooked politicians and big business organizations were penalized things may change. We as Americans should call their bluff and make our ELECTED officials do what is morally right. That is my opinion and I'm sticking to it.

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#495 Consumer Suggestion

research before you talk

AUTHOR: Billy - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Wednesday, January 03, 2007

To Joe. People that cross the boarder do not carry drugs by foot. They carry as much water and food as they can, and usually they run out. Knowing this, it is not possible for them to smuggle drugs over the boarder. This is a common misconception.

Secondly, they are poor, and are coming for work. These people are not involved in drug cartels. The people who are involved are using cars, boats, tunnels, and airplanes to cross the boarder. If you were a drug dealer, you would not entrust $5,000 worth of drugs to a starving Latino crossing the boarder, this is just business sense.

If there was not a demand by Americans for drugs there would be no drug smuggling, we can only blame ourselves for the problem, and blaming something that has nothing to do with the drug problem only deflects attention, and does not help to solve it.

Yes they are coming here from a third world country because things are better here, but wouldnt you if you were born there? Wouldn't anyone with a starving family and no work cross a boarder to find work to support your family? This is a basic human need, so shame on you if you blame them for trying to survive. Fly to Mexico and see what they are escaping. Or better yet, go by foot and cross 50 miles of barren wasteland to get the full experience.

If you want someone to blame, blame the large corporations that monopolize industries. Blame Enron for bankrupting thousands of working class people. Blame the companies that set the wages. Blame Arco for having record-breaking profits and claming that there is an oil crisis and jacking the prices up at the pump. Blame the city officials that renovate city hall before they fix your streets. Blame farmers that get government grants for not growing plants. Blame the education system that teaches our children what to think rather than how to think. And blame the pharmaceutical companies that force elderly people into poverty for their expensive medications they need to live. Blame people who tell you who to blame. Wake up and see the people at the top pulling the strings, and maybe we can find a solution.

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#494 Consumer Comment

IN RESPONSE TO A LOT OF WHAT PEOPLE ARE SAYING

AUTHOR: Marvin - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Wednesday, January 03, 2007

FIRST OF ALL FOR YOUR INFORMATION MR.JOE COCAINE DONT COME FROM MEXICO, SO GET YOUR FACTS STRAIGHT BEFORE YOU COME ON HERE AND SAY SOMETHING THAT MAKES YOU LOOK LIKE AN IDIOT.

SECOND, MOST OF YALL ARE CALLING THIS PEOPLE MEXICANS, MEXICANS, FOR YALL INFORMATION THEY ARE NOT ONLY MEXICANS THAT COME HERE. THEY ARE PEOPLE FROM DIFFERENT COUNTRIES, SO ITS BEST THAT YOU GUYS DONT REFER TO THEM AS MEXICANS. THEY ARE EITHER HISPANICS OR LATINOS. FOR THOSE THAT ARE AGAINST ILLEGALS ANSWER ME THIS ONE QUESTION WHAT DO U HAVE AGAINST ILLEGAL LATINOS?

CHECK IT OUT MAYBE YOU ARE RIGHT ABOUT THE WEEB COMING FROM MEXICO, BUT YOU ARE ALWAYS HEARING ABOUT WHITES DYING FROM DRUG OVERDOSES, AND ALWAYS BUYING DRUGS. WHAT YOU GUYS ARE GOING TO SAY KNOW THAT LATINOS OR ILLEGALS MAKE YOU GUYS DO IT. THAT AINT GOING TO HAPPEN. AND MAYBE YOU ARE ASKING WHY IS IT THAT THEY SELL THAT STUFF MAYBE BECAUSE THEY GOT TIRED OF WORKING FOR YALL CHEAP WHITE PEOPLE THAT DONT WANT TO PAY THEM RIGHT, SO THEY FIGURE HEY LETS MAKE OUR MONEY BACK FROM THEM BY SELLING THEM WEED AND COCAINE.

YALL KNOW THAT WHAT I HAVE JUST SAID IS SO RIGHT. AND WITH THAT NOTE I AM OUT OF HERE, AND NEXT TIME THINK BEFORE YALL DECIDE TO BAD MOUTH A LATINO.

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#493 Consumer Comment

IN RESPONSE TO A LOT OF WHAT PEOPLE ARE SAYING

AUTHOR: Marvin - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Wednesday, January 03, 2007

FIRST OF ALL FOR YOUR INFORMATION MR.JOE COCAINE DONT COME FROM MEXICO, SO GET YOUR FACTS STRAIGHT BEFORE YOU COME ON HERE AND SAY SOMETHING THAT MAKES YOU LOOK LIKE AN IDIOT.

SECOND, MOST OF YALL ARE CALLING THIS PEOPLE MEXICANS, MEXICANS, FOR YALL INFORMATION THEY ARE NOT ONLY MEXICANS THAT COME HERE. THEY ARE PEOPLE FROM DIFFERENT COUNTRIES, SO ITS BEST THAT YOU GUYS DONT REFER TO THEM AS MEXICANS. THEY ARE EITHER HISPANICS OR LATINOS. FOR THOSE THAT ARE AGAINST ILLEGALS ANSWER ME THIS ONE QUESTION WHAT DO U HAVE AGAINST ILLEGAL LATINOS?

CHECK IT OUT MAYBE YOU ARE RIGHT ABOUT THE WEEB COMING FROM MEXICO, BUT YOU ARE ALWAYS HEARING ABOUT WHITES DYING FROM DRUG OVERDOSES, AND ALWAYS BUYING DRUGS. WHAT YOU GUYS ARE GOING TO SAY KNOW THAT LATINOS OR ILLEGALS MAKE YOU GUYS DO IT. THAT AINT GOING TO HAPPEN. AND MAYBE YOU ARE ASKING WHY IS IT THAT THEY SELL THAT STUFF MAYBE BECAUSE THEY GOT TIRED OF WORKING FOR YALL CHEAP WHITE PEOPLE THAT DONT WANT TO PAY THEM RIGHT, SO THEY FIGURE HEY LETS MAKE OUR MONEY BACK FROM THEM BY SELLING THEM WEED AND COCAINE.

YALL KNOW THAT WHAT I HAVE JUST SAID IS SO RIGHT. AND WITH THAT NOTE I AM OUT OF HERE, AND NEXT TIME THINK BEFORE YALL DECIDE TO BAD MOUTH A LATINO.

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#492 Consumer Comment

IN RESPONSE TO A LOT OF WHAT PEOPLE ARE SAYING

AUTHOR: Marvin - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Wednesday, January 03, 2007

FIRST OF ALL FOR YOUR INFORMATION MR.JOE COCAINE DONT COME FROM MEXICO, SO GET YOUR FACTS STRAIGHT BEFORE YOU COME ON HERE AND SAY SOMETHING THAT MAKES YOU LOOK LIKE AN IDIOT.

SECOND, MOST OF YALL ARE CALLING THIS PEOPLE MEXICANS, MEXICANS, FOR YALL INFORMATION THEY ARE NOT ONLY MEXICANS THAT COME HERE. THEY ARE PEOPLE FROM DIFFERENT COUNTRIES, SO ITS BEST THAT YOU GUYS DONT REFER TO THEM AS MEXICANS. THEY ARE EITHER HISPANICS OR LATINOS. FOR THOSE THAT ARE AGAINST ILLEGALS ANSWER ME THIS ONE QUESTION WHAT DO U HAVE AGAINST ILLEGAL LATINOS?

CHECK IT OUT MAYBE YOU ARE RIGHT ABOUT THE WEEB COMING FROM MEXICO, BUT YOU ARE ALWAYS HEARING ABOUT WHITES DYING FROM DRUG OVERDOSES, AND ALWAYS BUYING DRUGS. WHAT YOU GUYS ARE GOING TO SAY KNOW THAT LATINOS OR ILLEGALS MAKE YOU GUYS DO IT. THAT AINT GOING TO HAPPEN. AND MAYBE YOU ARE ASKING WHY IS IT THAT THEY SELL THAT STUFF MAYBE BECAUSE THEY GOT TIRED OF WORKING FOR YALL CHEAP WHITE PEOPLE THAT DONT WANT TO PAY THEM RIGHT, SO THEY FIGURE HEY LETS MAKE OUR MONEY BACK FROM THEM BY SELLING THEM WEED AND COCAINE.

YALL KNOW THAT WHAT I HAVE JUST SAID IS SO RIGHT. AND WITH THAT NOTE I AM OUT OF HERE, AND NEXT TIME THINK BEFORE YALL DECIDE TO BAD MOUTH A LATINO.

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#491 Consumer Comment

IN RESPONSE TO A LOT OF WHAT PEOPLE ARE SAYING

AUTHOR: Marvin - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Wednesday, January 03, 2007

FIRST OF ALL FOR YOUR INFORMATION MR.JOE COCAINE DONT COME FROM MEXICO, SO GET YOUR FACTS STRAIGHT BEFORE YOU COME ON HERE AND SAY SOMETHING THAT MAKES YOU LOOK LIKE AN IDIOT.

SECOND, MOST OF YALL ARE CALLING THIS PEOPLE MEXICANS, MEXICANS, FOR YALL INFORMATION THEY ARE NOT ONLY MEXICANS THAT COME HERE. THEY ARE PEOPLE FROM DIFFERENT COUNTRIES, SO ITS BEST THAT YOU GUYS DONT REFER TO THEM AS MEXICANS. THEY ARE EITHER HISPANICS OR LATINOS. FOR THOSE THAT ARE AGAINST ILLEGALS ANSWER ME THIS ONE QUESTION WHAT DO U HAVE AGAINST ILLEGAL LATINOS?

CHECK IT OUT MAYBE YOU ARE RIGHT ABOUT THE WEEB COMING FROM MEXICO, BUT YOU ARE ALWAYS HEARING ABOUT WHITES DYING FROM DRUG OVERDOSES, AND ALWAYS BUYING DRUGS. WHAT YOU GUYS ARE GOING TO SAY KNOW THAT LATINOS OR ILLEGALS MAKE YOU GUYS DO IT. THAT AINT GOING TO HAPPEN. AND MAYBE YOU ARE ASKING WHY IS IT THAT THEY SELL THAT STUFF MAYBE BECAUSE THEY GOT TIRED OF WORKING FOR YALL CHEAP WHITE PEOPLE THAT DONT WANT TO PAY THEM RIGHT, SO THEY FIGURE HEY LETS MAKE OUR MONEY BACK FROM THEM BY SELLING THEM WEED AND COCAINE.

YALL KNOW THAT WHAT I HAVE JUST SAID IS SO RIGHT. AND WITH THAT NOTE I AM OUT OF HERE, AND NEXT TIME THINK BEFORE YALL DECIDE TO BAD MOUTH A LATINO.

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#490 Consumer Comment

Aliens buying half million dollar homes in Santa Maria, Ca

AUTHOR: Joe - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Friday, December 22, 2006

As I read the all the comments made on rip-off report concerning this matter, I think about all the illegal aliens who are on welfare and buying 500,000.00 plus homes here in Santa Maria, Ca (Santa Barbara County). A couple of pictures of people living in trees in Arizona, (where it hardly rains) doesn't sway me. THEY ARE FROM A THIRD WORLD COUNTRY. Illegal aliens are provided with Free health care, driver lic., and guaranteed citizenship for their children. I dont Americans are mistreating them whatsoever! They are treated like kings and queens, and all they do is s**t on us. Complaining of this and that. Where do you think the majority of marijuana and cocaine come from... you got it.. Mexico!

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#489 Consumer Comment

Response to Chris in Florida

AUTHOR: Patrick - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Wednesday, December 20, 2006

Chris,

I'm sorry, but you lost me there. You start by saying you don't agree with me, but then go on to say exactly the same thing I did originally. For example, you said:

"If we are going to solve this problem we need punish those that employ, house or in any way aid illegals. We should fine and/or imprison those who are convicted of aiding illegal's!"

And I had said this:

"I can only see one way to significantly decrease the number of illegal immigrants to the US: law enforcement MUST start pursuing and prosecuting any business owner who makes it a practice to employ illegal immigrants."

And this:

"Our borders need protecting, there is no doubt about that. But like I said, simply building a wall and sending out military patrols is not the answer. State governments must start levying fines to those businesses who knowingly employ illegal immigrants."

Hmm, those statements seem awfully similar to me. So, just what exactly is it that you don't agree with? I never said the illegals were "forced" to come here. I said they come here because business owners offer them a reason: employment, no questions asked (or green card needed).

Finally, let me state again for the record that I in NO WAY support illegal immigration, or any policies or laws that grant protection or immunity to illegals.

Patrick in Mesa (formerly Gilbert)

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#488 Consumer Comment

Go After the real source of the problem, those the employ illegals

AUTHOR: Chris - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Tuesday, December 19, 2006

Patrick,

I have to say that I don't agree with you. You're right; the article is trying to point out the deplorable conditions that this illegal's are living in. And yes, I totally agree with you that the conditions these people are living in are terrible. But, if you review theses picture, none of these people are being forced to live like that. I didn't see chains on any of them, nor did I see someone holding a gun over there head. These people are in this situation because they have made a conscious choice to break the law and entered into this country illegally. If we are going to solve this problem we need punish those that employ, house or in any way aid illegals. We should fine and/or imprison those who are convicted of aiding illegal's!

Please people; don't respond that I'm a racist that just isn't the case. I'm a half Spanish, half causation l*****n. This isn't about being a racist. It's about breaking the law. Illegal immigration isn't a victimless crime. Look how many people have been victim of identify theft only to find that there SS# and identifying information has been used so that some illegal can gain employment. The recent case of Swift Meat company is a great example of this. Those aren't field workers, doing jobs that American's won't do.

I thought it was absolutely ridiculous that Swift and other supports of illegal immigration wanted to try to block the company raids. Illegal Allen means that they do not belong here and are committing a crime.
It's very simple. Come here legally or don't come at all. And those that help and employee illegal's should be punished severely.

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#487 Consumer Comment

Go After the real source of the problem, those the employ illegals

AUTHOR: Chris - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Tuesday, December 19, 2006

Patrick,

I have to say that I don't agree with you. You're right; the article is trying to point out the deplorable conditions that this illegal's are living in. And yes, I totally agree with you that the conditions these people are living in are terrible. But, if you review theses picture, none of these people are being forced to live like that. I didn't see chains on any of them, nor did I see someone holding a gun over there head. These people are in this situation because they have made a conscious choice to break the law and entered into this country illegally. If we are going to solve this problem we need punish those that employ, house or in any way aid illegals. We should fine and/or imprison those who are convicted of aiding illegal's!

Please people; don't respond that I'm a racist that just isn't the case. I'm a half Spanish, half causation l*****n. This isn't about being a racist. It's about breaking the law. Illegal immigration isn't a victimless crime. Look how many people have been victim of identify theft only to find that there SS# and identifying information has been used so that some illegal can gain employment. The recent case of Swift Meat company is a great example of this. Those aren't field workers, doing jobs that American's won't do.

I thought it was absolutely ridiculous that Swift and other supports of illegal immigration wanted to try to block the company raids. Illegal Allen means that they do not belong here and are committing a crime.
It's very simple. Come here legally or don't come at all. And those that help and employee illegal's should be punished severely.

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#486 Consumer Comment

Go After the real source of the problem, those the employ illegals

AUTHOR: Chris - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Tuesday, December 19, 2006

Patrick,

I have to say that I don't agree with you. You're right; the article is trying to point out the deplorable conditions that this illegal's are living in. And yes, I totally agree with you that the conditions these people are living in are terrible. But, if you review theses picture, none of these people are being forced to live like that. I didn't see chains on any of them, nor did I see someone holding a gun over there head. These people are in this situation because they have made a conscious choice to break the law and entered into this country illegally. If we are going to solve this problem we need punish those that employ, house or in any way aid illegals. We should fine and/or imprison those who are convicted of aiding illegal's!

Please people; don't respond that I'm a racist that just isn't the case. I'm a half Spanish, half causation l*****n. This isn't about being a racist. It's about breaking the law. Illegal immigration isn't a victimless crime. Look how many people have been victim of identify theft only to find that there SS# and identifying information has been used so that some illegal can gain employment. The recent case of Swift Meat company is a great example of this. Those aren't field workers, doing jobs that American's won't do.

I thought it was absolutely ridiculous that Swift and other supports of illegal immigration wanted to try to block the company raids. Illegal Allen means that they do not belong here and are committing a crime.
It's very simple. Come here legally or don't come at all. And those that help and employee illegal's should be punished severely.

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#485 Consumer Comment

To Ricky again.

AUTHOR: Ernest - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Thursday, November 23, 2006

To add to my comments about your citizenship. I hope you are aware that your citizenship under new laws can be revoked. So beware if you aid and abet illegal aliens. You are breaking the law and as such you can be deported.

You speak about hypocrisy but after taking an oath of allegiance to America, you bad mouth the Americans. You are the hypocrite.

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#484 Consumer Comment

To Ricky

AUTHOR: Ernest - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Thursday, November 23, 2006

We the immigrants that have come to this country legally, will always support immigrants, documented or not!

Please don't speak on behalf of people who don't share those views. When you became a citizen you swore an oath of allegiance to America. So uphold the laws of the country. Undocumented aliens are ILEGALL.

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#483 Consumer Comment

The Honest Truth "Undocumented Immigration"

AUTHOR: Ricky - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Wednesday, November 22, 2006

Well I have news for the American people that are haters of undocumented immigrants. We the immigrants that have come to this country legally, will always support immigrants, documented or not! I am a U.S. citizen and no one can tell me to go back home, because I have right now! I will assist in every way I can to help my poeple. Most of the haters Americans are just Hypocrites. When it comes to God oh they are so Holy, Spritual and have Morals about abortion and gay marriage. But when it comes to Undocumented brothers and sisters, The war in Iraq, The issue going on in Darfur and Here in our own back yard:
Navajos' desert cleanup no more than a mirage
Through a federal program, decontamination seemed possible. But delays and disputes thwarted the effort.

How can the haters American people be talking about undocumented immigrants taking away thier jobs, Land and making thier medical cost go up so much! Look at this Article on latimes 11/22/06
Look what the hater Americans and thier allies are doing to the Real Owners of this land! Our Dear Real Neighbors "the Native American Idian"
They are poisoning them out, Since the Europeans came to OUR continent and have taken away thier land and used them. Since they did not get rid of all of them, now they are trying new Techniques to finish them off with our anyone realizing what exactly is going on!

(( link removed by ROR))

What would GOD or Jesus Christ do if he was in this situation? think poeple think.

1. All men are created equally and have the right to life, liberty and pursuit of happiness.

2. Read number 5 of our Consitition, If I recall, it says:
Its guarantees the right or all people living in the United States. No only documented people.

Martin Luther King, Made a change in the way African or dark skin people were treated in his times. If he could do it we can too! It will take lots of work but we can get the laws changed. Not because its a law makes it RIGHT or ok to do! Thats what so great about our country, that we the poeple can challenge it.

We will never stop fighting for those with out a voice or say. We will always keep at there side no matter what the laws say.

Another thing is that people are talking about the undocumented immigrants use up all our tax dollars. But if you look at a map of the most richest states in our union. You will notice that they are usually the one that has a larg number of undocumented immigrants migrating to them. Thats what makes them so rich and econmically wealty! Its their open mind and liberty. Look at all the other states that you rarely hear any econmical boom. Thats because they are so Republican and closed minded and ignorant. Thats why they are so poor. I know for a fact, if you take for example and The Govenor of Michigan would permit undocumented immigrants to move in and they would help them with work permits and offer them as much assistance as possible. I know Michihan would be known on the map of economic wealth. That state would be as wealty as Califonria, Florida etc... The other thing is they would have to welcome poeple of all race, religion, color, sex, sexual orientation, undocumented and documented. Its the diversity that makes a place's fortune. Look around, you can see it for yourself.

Resident of Caifornia
Posted 11/22/06
I am a U.S. citizen so you will just have to deal with me and my sibling for the rest of my life. Since I am making sure I educated my kids really good. To never forget were thier parents really came from.

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#482 Consumer Comment

Where the flag flies

AUTHOR: Aafes - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Saturday, September 23, 2006

Ralph,

As you chose to revive the subject, I will quote from one of my previous posts in this thread:

"After unilaterally annexing Texas in 1845, despite massive protests, the U.S. president sent troops 100 miles into what previously was Mexican land. When the Mexicans retaliated, the U.S. declared war on the pretext that Americans had been attacked on American soil. When it ended, the U.S. took 51% of Mexico's land, including California, where the discovery of gold had been kept secret from Mexican negotiators. At least 100,000 Mexicans and an additional 200,000 indigenous people lived on those lands."

If you want to really support justice then perhaps we should simply return to Mexico, what was rightfully theirs. Land we took by force.

No, Ralph, the illegal immigrant problem is not as new as you wish to believe. Illegal immigrants have been flowing into the U.S. since its inception as a country. The simple reality is that stopping the flow of illegal immigration, for the U.S. or any country is impossible. The flow may be staunched with walls and military forces patrolling them, however, over time this will not be a solution.

The original tenet of this post was indeed to take the employers to task for not only providing the jobs (demand = supply), but also for the inhumane living conditions they force the illegals to live in under threat of deportation. That remains the solution - holding the employers responsible. If an illegal cannot find ANY job, he is much more likely to go home, and much less likely to return.

As long as we allow these employers a free hand to continue to provide these jobs without fear of legal action or penalty the problem will never be resolved.

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#481 Consumer Comment

What would the Mexican government do if my family and I entered their nation illegally, had more babies, and demanded all of the benefits

AUTHOR: Ralph - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Friday, September 22, 2006

What would happen if Americans crossed the border illegally into Mexico? What would the Mexican government do if my family and I entered their nation illegally, had more babies, and demanded all of the benefits the illegal immigrants who cross our borders demand - benefits for which the Mexican citizens had worked ALL OF THEIR LIVES!? What would happen if we illegally entered Mexico and committed crimes and, along with other Americans, made THEIR prisons more crowded; and the expenses for OUR care and feeding sky-rocket? Would the Mexican government educate my children and pay for my health care? What would happen if 20+ million Americans entered Mexico illegally, incensed THEIR native-born citizens to join us in staging protests and riots, and FLEW THE AMERICAN FLAG ON MEXICAN SOIL?

WHY is it OK for citizens of one country to illegally invade another country and cause havoc for the people who were BORN there...or who went through proper channels to EARN citizenship? WHY is America responsible for the welfare of another nation's citizens? It MAKES NO SENSE!!

Oh, and by the way, we got along in this nation as far as our work force is concerned BEFORE the invasion of "the illegal immigrants who will work"; and we could still do the same. Their increasing the POPULATION here has created a lot of those jobs filled by illegal immigrants. If you don't agree, look at our over-crowded schools and the huge number of teachers who had to be taught Spanish, just for them. Can you see that happening in Mexico, if the "tables were turned"? Look around in doctor's offices, emergency rooms, hospital waiting areas...and notice the number of illegal immigrants. All of those illegal patients created the need for more people to give them their FREE care. If they went back home and stayed there, we wouldn't NEED all of those additional workers! WHY does the Mexican government NOT take care of their own? How and when did it become OUR responsibility?

I think we ALL know the answers to the above questions!! I rest my case. So rebut away. The FACTS will still remain the same!

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#480 Consumer Comment

Most comments are off track

AUTHOR: Patrick - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Monday, September 18, 2006

I've been reading this particular report for some time now, and have resisted posting my comments. Opting instead to let the insults fly from those mostly opposed to illegal immigration.

Unfortunately, this report is not about illegal immigration, it's about the inhumane treatment of workers (who just happen to be mostly illegal immigrants) by wealthy farm and business owners. Read the title of this report again, it says:

"Millionaire families and various business from around Arizona mistreat Immigrant workers ...Violating their civil & Human Rights. Queen Creek, Mesa Arizona"

Now, before anyone gets any ideas, I am NOT a supporter of illegal immigration, nor do I condone allowing illegal border crossing. What I don't like is the fact that these business owners are using to their advantage the fact that their employees are illegals, and feel they can treat them any way they want under the threat of being reported to the Feds.

I can only see one way to significantly decrease the number of illegal immigrants to the US: law enforcement MUST start pursuing and prosecuting and business owner who makes it a practice to employ illegal immigrants. Simply guarding the border is not enough. As others have said, they will just find another way to cross.

Once you take away their reason for coming here (ability to find work), then the number of illegals will significantly decrease. A route that I used to take to work took me right past an intersection where every morning, illegals would congregate just waiting for some contractor to come by and load them up into their truck and take them off to the jobsite. I guarantee that all of these people are being paid under the table (they pay no income taxes) and the contractor pays them much less than they would pay a legal worker. And I found it appalling that this took place less than 1 block from the city hall and police station!

Our borders need protecting, there is no doubt about that. But like I said, simply building a wall and sending out military patrols is not the answer. State governments must start levying fines to those businesses who knowingly employ illegal immigrants.

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#479 Consumer Comment

Aafes, For a lack of better words I agree with you.

AUTHOR: Cory - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Thursday, September 14, 2006

Aafes, Thank you.... Basically put, if you block off the borders, they'll find another way in.

Charles, I dont think everybody is prejudice...I just think you're a moron. I AM not an illegal immigrant. If you could READ, you'd know that by now. I think we oughta put ignorant a*s people like you in little camps and make you work on farms for free...kinda like your forefathers did to black people...

And to the person who earlier said that I said that we should deport black people....I dont know how that was misconstrued, but you're an idiot too... I never said that.

Aafes, so far, has had the most valid and logical points. I commend you on your comments.

Robert...Not sure whether you're republican or democrat...Don't really care... But good luck getting them to send out military forces to guard our borders. Would be a sound idea, say for the fact that they're strung so thin across the middle east fighting an invisible enemy. But good luck to your cause none the less...

In closing, To all the people who think i'm prejudice, racist, or whatever...Walk a mile in my shoes. I hate nobody. I deal with racism on an almost daily basis on the recieving end. I have since I was a child. I dont think that most of you know what it feels like. In a sense, i feel a silent sort of gratification in knowing that this topic brings you so much grief. Racism will never die and I know it. But just like I said before...If you're constantly going to bash illegal immigrants, then know that they're not all Mexican. Stop the singling out of one race because of ignorance. That's all I ask.

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#478 Consumer Comment

Military enforcement of the border

AUTHOR: Aafes - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Thursday, September 14, 2006

I agree that military or paramilitary enforcement of the borders is likely the only viable answer if the U.S. decides to enforce the borders. My contention, rather, was that this would require a massive military force and an enormous expenditure of money in an already weak and deficit economy. Once the borders are completely fenced and patrolled the coastline becomes the entry point of choice. Now, we will need a massive Coast Guard/Naval force to patrol and enforce the coastline. Currently we utilize the largest concentration of Coast Guard/Naval/DEA forces combined with air support and technical surveillence in the area of the Florida coast. Despite the expenditures in personnel and dollars the Florida coastline continues to be one of the "leakiest" coastline areas in America.

Deploying the military/naval personnel to enforce the borders and coastline would require a huge increase in our military force, a force that has difficulty meeting recruiting goals at the present time. Perhaps reinstituting the draft would suffice for those who support this type of border enforcement.

While almost every country in the world does utilize their military to enforce their borders in almost ALL cases they are dealing with a fraction of the border/coastline area the U.S. possesses.

The estimated number of illegal immigrants in Germany alone in 2003 was between 1/2 and 1.5 million. European countries, with military forces patrolling their borders, deal with enormous numbers of illegal immigrants growing yearly. The majority of these are brought in by organized criminal smuggling organizations.

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#477 Consumer Comment

Military enforcement of the border

AUTHOR: Aafes - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Thursday, September 14, 2006

I agree that military or paramilitary enforcement of the borders is likely the only viable answer if the U.S. decides to enforce the borders. My contention, rather, was that this would require a massive military force and an enormous expenditure of money in an already weak and deficit economy. Once the borders are completely fenced and patrolled the coastline becomes the entry point of choice. Now, we will need a massive Coast Guard/Naval force to patrol and enforce the coastline. Currently we utilize the largest concentration of Coast Guard/Naval/DEA forces combined with air support and technical surveillence in the area of the Florida coast. Despite the expenditures in personnel and dollars the Florida coastline continues to be one of the "leakiest" coastline areas in America.

Deploying the military/naval personnel to enforce the borders and coastline would require a huge increase in our military force, a force that has difficulty meeting recruiting goals at the present time. Perhaps reinstituting the draft would suffice for those who support this type of border enforcement.

While almost every country in the world does utilize their military to enforce their borders in almost ALL cases they are dealing with a fraction of the border/coastline area the U.S. possesses.

The estimated number of illegal immigrants in Germany alone in 2003 was between 1/2 and 1.5 million. European countries, with military forces patrolling their borders, deal with enormous numbers of illegal immigrants growing yearly. The majority of these are brought in by organized criminal smuggling organizations.

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#476 Consumer Comment

Military enforcement of the border

AUTHOR: Aafes - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Thursday, September 14, 2006

I agree that military or paramilitary enforcement of the borders is likely the only viable answer if the U.S. decides to enforce the borders. My contention, rather, was that this would require a massive military force and an enormous expenditure of money in an already weak and deficit economy. Once the borders are completely fenced and patrolled the coastline becomes the entry point of choice. Now, we will need a massive Coast Guard/Naval force to patrol and enforce the coastline. Currently we utilize the largest concentration of Coast Guard/Naval/DEA forces combined with air support and technical surveillence in the area of the Florida coast. Despite the expenditures in personnel and dollars the Florida coastline continues to be one of the "leakiest" coastline areas in America.

Deploying the military/naval personnel to enforce the borders and coastline would require a huge increase in our military force, a force that has difficulty meeting recruiting goals at the present time. Perhaps reinstituting the draft would suffice for those who support this type of border enforcement.

While almost every country in the world does utilize their military to enforce their borders in almost ALL cases they are dealing with a fraction of the border/coastline area the U.S. possesses.

The estimated number of illegal immigrants in Germany alone in 2003 was between 1/2 and 1.5 million. European countries, with military forces patrolling their borders, deal with enormous numbers of illegal immigrants growing yearly. The majority of these are brought in by organized criminal smuggling organizations.

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#475 Consumer Comment

Military enforcement of the border

AUTHOR: Aafes - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Thursday, September 14, 2006

I agree that military or paramilitary enforcement of the borders is likely the only viable answer if the U.S. decides to enforce the borders. My contention, rather, was that this would require a massive military force and an enormous expenditure of money in an already weak and deficit economy. Once the borders are completely fenced and patrolled the coastline becomes the entry point of choice. Now, we will need a massive Coast Guard/Naval force to patrol and enforce the coastline. Currently we utilize the largest concentration of Coast Guard/Naval/DEA forces combined with air support and technical surveillence in the area of the Florida coast. Despite the expenditures in personnel and dollars the Florida coastline continues to be one of the "leakiest" coastline areas in America.

Deploying the military/naval personnel to enforce the borders and coastline would require a huge increase in our military force, a force that has difficulty meeting recruiting goals at the present time. Perhaps reinstituting the draft would suffice for those who support this type of border enforcement.

While almost every country in the world does utilize their military to enforce their borders in almost ALL cases they are dealing with a fraction of the border/coastline area the U.S. possesses.

The estimated number of illegal immigrants in Germany alone in 2003 was between 1/2 and 1.5 million. European countries, with military forces patrolling their borders, deal with enormous numbers of illegal immigrants growing yearly. The majority of these are brought in by organized criminal smuggling organizations.

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#474 Consumer Comment

WRONG!

AUTHOR: Robert - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Thursday, September 14, 2006

Every other country on this planet enforces their immigration laws. Does that make them isolationist? NO! It means they are enforcing their laws.

BTW...they use their military to enforce their immigration laws. Their militaries patrol their borders. You know it's true AAFES. Even Germany has border patrols. During the '80's, it included tanks. Somehow, we have found the military should not be used to protect our borders. This is insane. The easiest way to defend the country, is with the military on the borders.

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#473 Consumer Comment

WRONG!

AUTHOR: Robert - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Thursday, September 14, 2006

Every other country on this planet enforces their immigration laws. Does that make them isolationist? NO! It means they are enforcing their laws.

BTW...they use their military to enforce their immigration laws. Their militaries patrol their borders. You know it's true AAFES. Even Germany has border patrols. During the '80's, it included tanks. Somehow, we have found the military should not be used to protect our borders. This is insane. The easiest way to defend the country, is with the military on the borders.

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#472 Consumer Comment

WRONG!

AUTHOR: Robert - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Thursday, September 14, 2006

Every other country on this planet enforces their immigration laws. Does that make them isolationist? NO! It means they are enforcing their laws.

BTW...they use their military to enforce their immigration laws. Their militaries patrol their borders. You know it's true AAFES. Even Germany has border patrols. During the '80's, it included tanks. Somehow, we have found the military should not be used to protect our borders. This is insane. The easiest way to defend the country, is with the military on the borders.

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#471 Consumer Comment

Swimming against the stream

AUTHOR: Aafes - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Thursday, September 14, 2006

Cory has a point. Stopping illegal immigration is tantamount to swimming against the stream. It could be done, however, our nation would become isolationist. There was a period in our history in which popular belief was that isolationism was an acceptable practice. I could go into the affects of this policy on our nation during this time period, but suffice it to say that it is accepted as fact that American isolationism was a contributing factor to World War II.

With an enormous deficit it is not feasible economically to track, locate and remove all illegals living in the U.S. While the majority of the flow is from the southern border the act of building a "wall" and actively enforcing this border is folly. We have 1952 miles of southern border, our norther border is over 4000 miles long.

Okay, let us build a 50 foot high wall, complete with the latest security technology, and add 500 yards of mine fields inside the wall. Actively patrol the wall, have guard towers with automatic weapons... we'll keep everyone out!!! Then perhaps in several years the world will hear a speech by a foreign leader... "Mr. President, tear down this wall!"

Even if we should wall the border effectively, there will then be thousands of miles of coastland to defend. Every cargo container in every port would have to be checked. The coast guard would have to become a massive force, stopping every boat on the water to check for illegals.

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#470 Consumer Comment

cory thinks everyone is prejudice

AUTHOR: Charles - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Wednesday, September 13, 2006

Cory, thinks everyone is prejudice haha why should we except these ILLEGAL immigrants! we don't care what pisses you off cory!, you must be one of those ILLEGAL immigrants. Quit, judging everyone then mabye people will quit judgeing you!. Judge not least not be judge!.

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#469 Consumer Comment

*sigh*

AUTHOR: Cory - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Wednesday, September 13, 2006

What I said was, "If you dont like the fact that they're speaking spanish then

A) IGNORE THEM!

or

B) LEARN SPANISH!

Freedom of speech isn't limited to English...

I've said time and time again that we ALL know that illegal immigration is here and never going to go away. Its reality...live with it. If you cant live with it, throw out your TVs, Lock your doors, and never leave your house.

I ALSO believed that the waving of the Mexican flags during the protests was pretty ignorant on their parts, by the way... I kinda took a step back and thought to myself what most of you probably thought. Either way they're here to stay... HAVE A NICE DAY!

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#468 Consumer Comment

Wow. Cory put me in my place!

AUTHOR: Jessica - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Wednesday, September 13, 2006

Cory, if I am 'selectively prejudice', then I would have to say you are 'selectively intelligent'----possibly intelligent about some things but not this. I didn't realize it made someone prejudice to be upset that people are getting away with breaking the laws...thanks for correcting me.

How can you possibly make a comment stating 'then learn the language' when that was the EXACT same thing I said, then say I am prejudice? I will be sure to tell my Mexican friends they should stop being friends with me since all knowing Cory from Arizona says Im prejudice.

And you haven't heard any of them complaining about us not learning Spanish because THEY HAVE NO PLACE TO!! And they know it!! They don't need to complain because their language is all over the place when it shouldn't be.

God forbid anyone except any immigrant of ANY nationality to assimilate. I better tell my grandmother who immigrated here from HOLOCAUST Germany that she shouldn't have wasted all her time (8 years) becoming legal. That she could have mooched off the system for free all the years she has been here!!

Thank you so much for putting me in my place Cory!

Robert, I have been waiting for you to join in!! :)

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#467 Consumer Comment

lets face it we will always have ILLEGAL immigrant coming into our great country

AUTHOR: Charles - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Wednesday, September 13, 2006

Lets, face it we will always have illegal immigrants & mexians coming into our great country but why can't they do it the right way!, legal & when they do come in our country they would have to behave themselves & not start their s**t!. These immigrants mexians cannot come into this country & start bullying us why are mexians so mean & evil!, they are not coming into this country causing road rage! like they have done in my town! these immigrants will not come into our great country causing trouble!, they will behave like the rest of us have to!. They, think they are immigrants they can come into this country & act anyway they have to!, & mistreat us white people!.

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#466 Consumer Comment

More brilliance from Cory

AUTHOR: Robert - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Wednesday, September 13, 2006

If WE don't like it, WE should learn THEIR language?

Dumb!

How about...if THEY don't like it, THEY should learn OUR language. Amazing how that works for EVERY other immigrant who comes here LEGALLY. Only the ILLEGAL ones think they shouldn't have to do anything to assimilate.

The Mexican flags at the protests told the tale.

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#465 Consumer Comment

And this coming from a guy from Alabama.......

AUTHOR: Cory - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Tuesday, September 12, 2006

Not ONLY is it disrespectful, it just pisses me off... Every single time somebody sees someone they believe to be "illegal", they're "mexican". (Charles, i wish you all the luck on your 4th grade spelling.) Every time i come back in here to read whats been posted, it just gets worse.

MEXICANS ARE NOT THE ONLY ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS IN THIS COUNTRY!! Cuban, Chilean, Puruvian, Salvadorian, Ecuadorian, Brazilian, Columbian, the list goes on and friggin on.... Just because they came up THROUGH Mexico and happen to speak spanish, DOES NOT MEAN THEY ARE MEXICAN!!!

It is not written anywhere that i MUST SPEAK ENGLISH! I was born of a Mexican father and a Caucasian Mother... I speak what I WANT to speak. If you dont like what someone is saying, dont listen to them, or LEARN THE GODDAMN LANGUAGE!

I have NEVER heard any of them complain because someone didnt understand them. To them, I happen to think it's quite funny. They get a kick out of all of you hateful people. They KNOW they're not gonna be sent home.

Jessica, you make it sound like these people get out of bed in the morning with hate in their hearts, just WISHING they could cause an accident... I mean, was it deemed an "accident" or a Malicious attempt by a "non-citizen" at taking someones life?

Was he arrested for attempted murder? You make it seem like he had you in his friggin sights! THATS WHY THEY'RE CALLED ACCIDENTS! I dont think you're racist, i just think you're "selectively prejudice".

I think it makes alot of you mad because that last gentleman made ALOT of sense. He disproved almost every thing you tried to blow out of proportion. I know that'd make me mad... haha

Honestly though, I think i'm gonna take a step back from this arguement because it seems to me, that everytime someone makes a VERY good point, some ignorant a** decides to do research via BULL$SH*T.COM

That being said, until you can all look at this from a rational, non-biased, and most of all, HUMANE point of view, this thread is crap.

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#464 Consumer Comment

FINALLY!!! Charles is on target. Bravo Lingus!

AUTHOR: Robert - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Tuesday, September 12, 2006

Well said Charles. We have found common ground. Keep up the good work. I knew one day you'd come around.

Bravo Lingus.

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#463 Consumer Comment

protest agaisnt illegal immigration

AUTHOR: Charles - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Monday, September 11, 2006

Why, should the united states give special treatment to illegal mexians who enter this country illegally!, why should these illegal immigrents get college tution, social security, welfare, unemployment!, they are taken away from us! united states citizens!. Why, should we give special treatment to these law breakers would their country give us special treatment if we crossed their country line!, no they would not!.

Is it the united states fault their country is poor so they need to quit blaming us until the government quits giving illegal aliens all our benefits!, social security college tution grants, welfare, unemployment! we will never shut up!. This, has become a big problem! & look @ those horried mexians beating up that fox news reporter for exposing thier mortage scam & threatening people!,

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#462 Consumer Comment

To all who believe Englsh is not our "official" language

AUTHOR: Robert - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Monday, September 11, 2006

One of the requirements for US Citizenship, is a working knowledge of the English Language.

That's right, the citizenship test is in English, and being able to speak, understand, read, and write in English is part of the examination.

While there is no actual Law in place that states English is the "Official" language, the reality of it is that it is.

This is what is known as Common Knowledge, and most of our laws are based on this tenet. English Common Law was based on what the average person considered reasonable, and it is reasonable to expect incoming immigrants learn the language.

Instead, I get to "press 1 for English" whenever I call some company. How about "if you don't understand what I am saying, go learn the language".

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Reply to Jessica = The original tenet of this post was to take the employers, who profit in the millions, to task for not only employing illegals but for the inhumane living conditions.

AUTHOR: Aafes - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Monday, September 11, 2006

Jessica, first, it is my hope you will never "shut up" about something you believe in. Freedom of speech is one of the greatest rights we have in our country. I hope you will always exercise it.

As for having "no clue" - if you read my earlier posts in this thread you would see I am an AMERICAN CITIZEN. I live in Europe working for the U.S. Government in support of the U.S. Military. To further prove to you my first hand knowledge of this situation, I was raised in Texas and Arizona, as a matter of course I own a home in Yuma, about a close to the border as one can get. As a teenager I worked summers on some of these farms alongside these hard working men, women and children and witnessed first hand their living conditions.

Most illegals would LOVE to become a U.S. citizen. Once in the country they are often subjected to virtual bondage, living under threats of INS being notified of there location and status - threats from the very employers that they work for. This keeps many from seeking out the opportunity to apply for citizenship.

You cite statistical facts about this group having the highest rate of giving birth in hospitals without insurance and the highest rates of uninsured auto accidents in California. I assure you, if I chose to search, I could find statistical surveys that support any contention.

I realize your statement regarding the auto accident is partially fueled by what happened to your fiance - justifiably. As for your insurance rates rising, that would happen in almost every case of an accident. Most insurers simply classify that you have had an "accident" on your policy, not who was at fault. Unless your fiance was exceeding the speed limit or following too closely the rates should not "go through the roof".

As Ed posted previously, while these migrant workers are here "illegally" the practice is likely to continue until the borders are properly closed and guarded. Currently there are several hundred miles of border that are NOT fenced or are simply fenced with three strand barbed wire fences seen throughout the southwest.

If the U.S. is serious about its illegal immigration problem the fenceline is the first problem that must be addressed. The entire border will have to be fenced, monitored and patrolled. This will be expensive and difficult but can be achieved. A congressman emphasized this recently and I paraphrase "Show me a 50 foot fence at the border and I'll show you 51 foot ladders on the Mexico side."

The cost of removing the illegals currently estimated to be in the U.S has been calculated at $41 billion a year - this exceeds the entire budget of the Department of Homeland Security. A cost that will be paid either by reduction in other government services or a tax increase.

While English is the primary language the fact remains that it is NOT the national language as you previously posted. Yes, everyone in the U.S. would be better suited to learn English - however, it may interest you to know that English is considered one of the more grammatically complex and difficult languages to learn as a second language. One of the keys to ease in learning a second language is reading proficiency in the native tongue. Many ESL students do not have this baseline education or proficiency to find English easy to learn.

I respect your opinion on this matter, but respectfully disagree with many of your points. The original tenet of this post was to take the employers, who profit in the millions, to task for not only employing illegals but for the inhumane living conditions. This, I continue to believe, is the key to solving this problem.

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#460 Consumer Comment

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AUTHOR: Jessica - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Sunday, September 10, 2006

Aefes, you really should have used your brain before commenting on my post. I really love it when people from other countries post on this topic like they have ANY CLUE what is going on here and how bad the situation is. It cracks me up, seriously!

I suppose I need to remind you that English is this country's primary language. So many people are so fed up with the illegal immigration problem here that the time will come where we protest, too. That will involve refusing to learn the language. I really don't care what happens here, I will not be learning Spanish. I know plenty of people who will refuse to do the same.

The fact is that these people are choosing to do these jobs for low pay. Go to school, learn some freakin english, and see what opportunities await you. They will never get anything better until they learn the language and learn how to communicate. It baffles me why learning the language is such a big deal for these people.

And how are they contributing to the economy by causing the most car accidents in the State of California? Or how about being the highest group of people giving birth and being admitted to hospitals without insurance? I hate to break this to you, but those are both statistical facts. I don't expect you to know that, though, since you are in Europe after all.

And I never said anything about the living conditions they live in. Do I think it is sad anyone has to live that way? Yes, I do. But on the other hand why should their employers be required to house them? My employer doesn't pay my rent!

The bottom line here is these people need to apply for their citizenship!!! That is what most of us are having the issues with. If you are not paying taxes, how are you truly contributing to this government? So what if you are picking strawberries all day for some big fruit packing company. You aren't getting paid legally so obviously no taxes are coming out. In case you didn't know, that day all the Hispanics protested didn't do what they wanted it to....the economy did not suffer greatly from that stupid protest. Someone just please explain to me why these people feel they can just run over here and not become legal and then I will shut up.

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#459 Consumer Comment

The last time I checked...

AUTHOR: Aafes - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Saturday, September 09, 2006

Obviously, you have never checked Jessica. You stated that the last time you checked the National language was English.

WRONG, WRONG, WRONG. The United States of America has NO legislated national language.

If you desire one, feel free to begin a grass roots campaign. It is likely to take at least a decade to become an amendment to the U.S. Constitution from beginning as a bill to ratification.

Ultimately, you may find that you would be required to learn Spanish. Why? In the last decade the Hispanic population has experienced a 58% growth. An increase from 9% of the U.S. population to 13%. This, measured from 1990 to 2000. Almost a decade has passed since and the growth continues, and shall, exponentially.

During the same time period non Hispanic whites decreased in the population by 7%. Hispanics are rapidly becoming the largest minority and if their population growth continues mushrooming they will eventually become the majority.

Our country was founded on the precept of freedom and opened its arms in welcome to all that wanted to come to us. We live more comfortably than any nation in the world, we waste more food and resources in a day than many nations would require to feed and house their poor. We are not wanting.

Be they legal or illegal, these immigrants provide a service. They are often doing jobs that Americans feel are beneath them. Once again, if there is no DEMAND the supply will disappear. Before you persecute these immigrants you should hold accountable the millionaire farmers, the nationally known poulty producers, and the construction contractors who are employing these hard working men and women at virtually slave wages.

Despite EVERYTHING else, no one, immigrant or citizen, legal or illegal, should be expected to live and work in the inhumane conditions these people endure DAILY. All for the sake of padding the bank account of some of our fellow citizens.

""Give me your tired, your poor, Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free, The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.

Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me,
I lift my lamp beside the golden door!"

- Emma Lazarus

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#458 Consumer Comment

It's everywhere.... The American dream is alive and well, but only applies to those not born here.

AUTHOR: M (FlyingScooter) - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Saturday, September 09, 2006

I live in Cleveland Ohio in an area known as Hispanic Village. Okay area, racially mixed. We have mexicans as well as other illegals here. They're easy to point out, just yell 'he's got a Gun!!!' The one's that don't duck, don't speak English.

The legal mexicans in my area hate the attitudes of the 'new illegals'. My neighbor Hector said: What's with this younger generation. They don't wanna become citizens because they don't want to pay taxes. hmmmm, maybe they're on to something.

That got me to thinking.
There are many corner store owners in and around the cleveland area. Most our Arab/indian owned and operated. They don't pay taxes either and are all to happy to tell us. Some are American citizens, but even the ones that aren't had no problems getting small business loans and tax abatements.

The American dream is alive and well, but only applies to those not born here.

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#457 Consumer Comment

All of this is just getting out of hand. It is very hard for me to have sympathy for an illegal who thinks they are above waiting in line to become a citizen.

AUTHOR: Jessica - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Friday, September 08, 2006

d**n right, Ashley...

I am really so sick and tired of this being such an issue. It is ridiculous that MOST (keep in mind, I said MOST and NOT ALL )of the illegals think the laws shouldn't apply to them...they don't have to apply for citizenship, they rarely pay taxes, it is a STATISTICAL fact (at least in the state of California) that the rate of accidents caused by uninsured illegals is SKY HIGH, they don't believe in birth control so they have as many babies as they want in our hospitals that they don't pay for, and they refuse to learn the language. I cannot stand that everywhere I go there are signs in English and Spanish. I went to a Sprint store with my fiance a few months ago to sign up for service and when we went to pay, the credit card machine in front of us was in SPANISH. Now how the hell were we supposed to read it? We told the salesperson this was ridiculous and took off. Didn't buy the phone. We really have no interest in spending our money places that are encouraging that crap. The last time I checked the national language was ENGLISH, wasn't it? It is appaling that most of them refuse to assimilate into our society. They seem to have a lot to complain about don't they? Those idiots marched all day back in May, with that jackass mayor in LA egging them on, and someone please explain to me what they can complain about? If you don't like it here, GET OUT!!! How dare you whine about anything here when your lives were so horrbile in Mexico you had to flee to America. With all the opportunities everyone has in this country, the least you can do is apply for citizenship.

I don't recall which earlier author said something about deporting black people but whoevever said that needs help. Comparing deporting black people to deporting mexicans is like comparing apples to oranges. YOU CAN'T COMPARE IT!!! Black people didn't have a choice in coming here, if you need a little history lesson. THEY WERE FORCED (and no, I am not black).

If I ever see any sporting event or any other event playing OUR NATIONAL ANTHEM in Spanish, I'm moving to Canada. S&$% will seriously hit the fan. Americans will go nuts. It's already bad enough that everywhere we go we hear Spanish and see it on signs. How can you seriously expect to ever succeed here if you don't know the language? I hear in the state of California it might go on the ballot making ballots just in English. Which is how it should be. If you can't even speak the language how can you understand something as complex as politics? All those illegals think they can march and protest, well guess what? The day is going to come where the LAW ABIDING citizens are going to fight back, too.

The worst part about this is that there are immigrants from Mexico that really did do it the right way. They waited their turn. They learn the language. They pay their taxes. And they are some of the nicest people you will ever meet. But it's not about personality is it? It's about obeying the d**n law. If the rest of us are expected to do it, then so are they.

I feel for Ashley's friend. My fiance was just in a car accident yesterday, a FOUR CAR COLLISION, caused by an illegal (well we assume he was, he didn't speak three words of English and had no insurance) trying to dart across the 605 freeway to an exit. His car is totaled. Now our insurance is going to go through the roof because of this jackass. Oh yeah, then there is our neighbors. They live in the same unit we do...two bedrooms, same 1200 square feet. The guy who owns it lives there with his two kids, his mom and dad, and grandma. They have 4 cars between them and take up all the parking spaces outside our unit. I have almost run over visiting relatives hanging out outside our garage and theirs more times than I can count. I am not kidding you when I say we hear mariachi music blaring on the weekends and they put their lawn chairs out front and shoot the s^#$ in Spanish all night. What is WRONG with that picture???

All of this is just getting out of hand. It is very hard for me to have sympathy for an illegal who thinks they are above waiting in line to become a citizen. My step-grandmother fled Germany during the HOLOCAUST. It took her EIGHT YEARS to get her citizenship, which included taking more classes on American history than she could count. Here is a concept...she actually learned the language!!!And she is d**n grateful to be here and loves this country. No one can tell me life in Mexico can compare to Holocaust ridden Germany. So I have no pity for people who can't do it the right way. Go ahead and call me a racist. I don't need to explain to the illegal supporters that I have numerous friends of all races. People only pull the race card when they have nothing better to say anyways, right Ashley?

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#456 Consumer Comment

.....All PERSONAL opinions in that last response...

AUTHOR: Cory - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Wednesday, August 30, 2006

See, Unlike you Ashley, I DID research. I didnt go based on "what i've seen" or "What i've heard". I did research. Those that use "fake" SSNs, pay all the same taxes that we do. I'm not even going to comment on the rest of the stuff...You're just in this for personal reasons now. I'm sorry about your friend, but had it been a black person or a white person, i dont think you'd be screaming DEPORTATION! Illegals as a whole didnt contribute to your friends pain. ONE person did. You cant blame a whole race for the stupidity of one person...(wow, havent we heard THAT somewhere before?)

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Woohoo! Go illegal imimgration!

AUTHOR: Ashley - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Sunday, August 27, 2006

I'm Baaack!

I come back and I see even more lies. CORY:

" Lets say for the sake of arguement that we "humor" this idea and deport ALL of our illegals. Who's going to fund this little project?"

- Illegal immigrants cost us more annually than the price would be to deport all of them. Also, in the long run, deporting them would actually SAVE us money.

"Would it make you HAPPIER if they brought their entire families over here?"

- ...They do.... there aren't twelve million illegals here which are strictly Mexican working males you know.

"Haha....have you taken a look at their government? If OUR government was really the government they say they are, they would HELP the problem over there..."

- We have no obligation to help a country who got itself into this mess. I mean, we should, just to speed up the process, but in terms of the blame game, look no further than Mexico. And if the 12 millon plus aliens were to all revolt, SOMETHING would get done. Strength in numbers.

"Take a trip to a few of the MANY ghettos in mexico...Just go down to a border town. All of the BIG PRETTY houses are near the border. The farther you go, the worse they get. Nobody over there gives a s**t about them. Dont you think they'd fight for something if someone would listen??"

- Yeah, because BEAUTIFUL houses are in Nogales... no, the big ones are in Mexico City..

"Because as I said before, they dont care. Why spend money trying to KEEP people there, when they can SAVE money by letting them go? Mexico has always had a problem with corruption. Watch the news, people. "

- No one is saying their government isn't corrupt.. what Laura was trying to say is that why don't the CITIZENS march?

"They do. But have you taken a look at what the average person makes an hour there? Its downright degrading. Try and find out what the average factory worker makes there. People who make things that WE use here..."

- Not our problem.

"Again....do some freakin research. They ARE paying their own medical and welfare costs. THEY PAY TAXES, REMEMBER?! They dont FILE, but they PAY! All of that unreturned money goes right back into the governments pockets. The amount ranges somewhere in the BILLIONS..."

- Are you talking about them paying taxes to the US government? Right, and the two car accidents I've gotten into, the $30,000 I had to pay in medical, insurance hikes, and car bills OUT OF MY POCKET don't mean anything to illegals AS LONG AS THEY PAY SOME TAXES. Pssst, they DON'T pay income tax.

"Rob seems to think that all of our prisoners are of hispanic decent. 80% of the people in our prisons are AMERICAN. "

- That may have a little something to do with the fact that a lot of illegals like doing hit and runs.. or maybe that some are truly careful knowing they could be deported, yet silently drain our economy, schools and other resources.

"For all the people out there who feel that these people coming here is a "scourge" on our nation, do some research. Thats all I can say...Take a break from bashing our culture and do some research before you start talking. You have to HAVE a valid point before you can STATE one. 43% of all federal taxes that illegals pay (about $7 Billion) goes back to Medicare and Social Security.(something ELSE they'll never see)"

- Yeah, and they STILL DONT PAY INCOME TAX. HUGE DEAL!!! I'm not bashing Mexican culture at all, since I'm HALF. About doing some research? Besides living in an entirely Mexican neighborhood for two and a half decades, I think I'm pretty familiar with the issue....

"One last thing...This actually pains me to say it, but its a reality... All the people here who think that all these people become LEGALIZED citizens is going to HELP the economy, you're wrong. If they were to gain amnesty, it would TRIPLE the federal cost. "

- Yeah, I know. Deport them.

I type all of this as my best friend will probably be disabled for the rest of her life from getting hit by a drunken illegal alien this weekend. Woohoo! Go illegal imimgration! After all, IT'S A VICTIMLESS CRIME.

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#454 Consumer Comment

If they do things by the law then the law will protect them

AUTHOR: Mr. - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Tuesday, August 15, 2006

As long as these people are criminals they have no rights. Let them enter this country like everyone else and then they will be protected like everyone else. I have no pity for criminals. They get what they deserve.

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#453 Consumer Suggestion

Some basics, STILL misunderstood

AUTHOR: Steve - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Sunday, August 13, 2006

In just the last few rebuttals to this thread I have to comment.

To the person who said the illegals make a living wage and then said a low living wage.. Let me explain..NO illegal is making anywhere near the "living wage". The living wage is an actual labor standard that is computed for each area which is the amount a person in that area would need to earn to meet basic needs in that area. The living wage in Pima County as of the last I checked, for a single person to live in a studio apt is approx $12/hour. I don't see many illegals making this kind of money. And the low wages they do work for, lower the wages and working conditions for all of us.

Now, to the person who said they pay taxes, etc.. This is NOT the majority. The MAJORITY of illegals work for cash "under the table" or in live in domestic jobs. The employers are getting off the hook by not matching SS, paying workmans comp, or unemployment insurance, which raises the costs for those who do it legal.

Rob hit it right on the head. There are NO jobs Americans will not do. We just want a LIVING Wage to do them, and the greedy employers want massive profits. Notice the operative word: WANT

I have no problem with LEGAL immigration, but illegals are just that, ILLEGAL! The fact that they ignored our laws, and bypassed everyone who is doing the legal immigration process, makes them CRIMINALS, by definition.

Illegal immigration is BAD for our country as a whole. That is a fact. The only winners are big business.

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#452 Consumer Comment

a reality... All the people here who think that all these people become LEGALIZED citizens is going to HELP the economy, you're wrong. If they were to gain amnesty, it would TRIPLE the federal cost.

AUTHOR: Cory - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Saturday, August 12, 2006

Ok...For people like Letoya...who like to come on here and MAKE things up...First off, if you want to come on here and try to come off as "educated", IT MAKES YOU LOOK RIDICULOUS WHEN YOU CANT SPELL ANYTHING! Lets say for the sake of arguement that we "humor" this idea and deport ALL of our illegals. Who's going to fund this little project? I mean, because you have to remember that our government is fighting a "war on terror" right now. Illegals are the LAST thing on the governments agenda right now. Laura, here's some responses to some of your questions...

*****If your family is still there, and you are sending money home to help take care of them, don't you also care what conditions they are living in?

Of course they do, but would it make you HAPPIER if they brought their entire families over here?

Why are you all not banded together in Mexico city and working for reform?

Haha....have you taken a look at their government? If OUR government was really the government they say they are, they would HELP the problem over there...

Why not fight for programs in your own communities to increase the economy and way of life?

Take a trip to a few of the MANY ghettos in mexico...Just go down to a border town. All of the BIG PRETTY houses are near the border. The farther you go, the worse they get. Nobody over there gives a s**t about them. Dont you think they'd fight for something if someone would listen??

Why is it that those who want to fight for illegal immigrant rights, aren't marching to Mexico city as well?

Because as I said before, they dont care. Why spend money trying to KEEP people there, when they can SAVE money by letting them go? Mexico has always had a problem with corruption. Watch the news, people.

Why are they not funding programs in Mexico to increase their livelihood there? Why are they not starting business that can provide a good income for those in Mexico?

They do. But have you taken a look at what the average person makes an hour there? Its downright degrading. Try and find out what the average factory worker makes there. People who make things that WE use here...

Why are you not fighting the Mexican government to provide welfare programs, since you feel so compelled us U.S. citizens should be paying for it?

Again....do some freakin research. They ARE paying their own medical and welfare costs. THEY PAY TAXES, REMEMBER?! They dont FILE, but they PAY! All of that unreturned money goes right back into the governments pockets. The amount ranges somewhere in the BILLIONS...

And bragging about having 8 kids and taking care of them on your own is hardly commendable. Having 8 kids doesnt earn you the right to look down on anybody else.

Rob seems to think that all of our prisoners are of hispanic decent. 80% of the people in our prisons are AMERICAN.

As of June 30, State and Federal Prisons housed 88,626 NON citizens. In a prison population totaling more than 2 million people, thats not even worth mentioning... So look for a new arguement. Does anybody else see it as biased that African Americans are 20% more likely to be sentenced to prison on a drug conviction than white people? Or how about hispanics being 40% more likely to be sentenced?

For all the people out there who feel that these people coming here is a "scourge" on our nation, do some research. Thats all I can say...Take a break from bashing our culture and do some research before you start talking. You have to HAVE a valid point before you can STATE one. 43% of all federal taxes that illegals pay (about $7 Billion) goes back to Medicare and Social Security.(something ELSE they'll never see)

One last thing...This actually pains me to say it, but its a reality... All the people here who think that all these people become LEGALIZED citizens is going to HELP the economy, you're wrong. If they were to gain amnesty, it would TRIPLE the federal cost.

To Flaviano, I say this. Congratulations on all your success, and I wish you all the best. To the rest of you against illegal immigrants, do the research, see for yourself, and stop assuming. Take a trip down there, read some reports, and find out the truth. Stop stretching other peoples opninions to make it YOUR truth.

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#451 Consumer Comment

It really boils down to Respect

AUTHOR: Christy - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Wednesday, August 09, 2006

I have read most of the comments on this issue, and being a resident of Mesa, AZ for quite some time (growing up here, going to school here, etc.), I feel that I have seen alot of the "immigration" issues first hand. First of all, I am a White/Caucasian/Anglo (whatever) 24 yr. old female with family roots in Ireland, Germany, and probably lots of other places. I love my culture, and I don't have a problem saying that. I have no prejudices against people of any color or creed, what have you.

What sickens me with any race, including my own, are the attitudes of the lazy, self serving members. There are two kinds of people in every race. The proper name, and the politically incorrect name (cracker, sp*ck, ni**er, g**k yadda yadda, all are equally vulgar). There are lazy, system abusing people in every race. Hell, I'M lazy and system abusing sometimes (I hack off of neighboring wireless high-speed internet so I don't have to pay Cox Cable sometimes).

What this all boils down to is respecting the country in which you immigrate too. If I get a wild hair up my butt to move to France, Russia, or Italy...you can bet your life savings that I'm going to learn French, Russian, or Italian. How can you expect to survive in a FOREIGN culture without learning about it? I know that the economy sucks in other countries. I watch the news, I see the documentaries, and my heart goes out to these people, but I would not expect them to learn my culture and adapt to my language if I decided to move there.

Tourist hot spots like Vegas, NY, or LA should have multiple language resources available. That's the price you should pay for the billion dollar tourist industry. I know that on trips to Rocky Point I've taken, some of the Mexicans speak English when they want to sell me something. But I still can't expect to do much out there without knowing "survivors" Spanish. There is absolutely nothing wrong with immigration.

By all means, if your life is really that bad, please do come here. America will embrace you and help you have a better life. But don't expect America to completely change and adapt to your former customs. Respect this country and be grateful for the chance for a better life she is offering you. By all means, if you're in your private residence, speak your native tounge. That is your life-given right. But honestly, weren't you asking for a different BETTER life? Then how can you expect everything to be the same?!! Also, to Mexican-Americans....please stop making this immigration issue all about YOU.

It's about ALL illegal immigrants. Not just you. Granted, I do see alot of "profiled" Mexicans in Mesa...the ones that are pregnant at 14, or the ones that have 15 children at Wal-Mart and can't seem to keep them in line. But, guess what...in neighboring Apache Junction, there are tons of white people who are doing the exact same thing. It's not just about Mexico. Mexico is just the easiest target right now. I for one love Mexican culture: the architechure, the clothing, and hello! the food is great!

But please respect this country, and not ask us to play a Spanish recording of the Star Spangled Banner. That is just a downright slap in the face to the country that is providing your living. And I would say the same thing to a Frenchman, Italian, or Asian, if they had done it. Also to the bigots out there....unless your are a DIRECT DECENDANT of a Native American, you are an immigrant too! Your ancestors came in search of a better life so that you could be born into freedom.

Besides, if bigots have such an issue with "preserving America" and our freedom, then they should be in the Armed Forces or National Guard. Everyone should just respect one another. This country was founded on immigrants. If they are making a genuine effort to live a better life without disregarding the foundation of their country, then Americans should provide them the proper, ABUSE-FREE necessities to do so. Every human has a right to reach for the stars.

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It really boils down to Respect

AUTHOR: Christy - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Wednesday, August 09, 2006

I have read most of the comments on this issue, and being a resident of Mesa, AZ for quite some time (growing up here, going to school here, etc.), I feel that I have seen alot of the "immigration" issues first hand. First of all, I am a White/Caucasian/Anglo (whatever) 24 yr. old female with family roots in Ireland, Germany, and probably lots of other places. I love my culture, and I don't have a problem saying that. I have no prejudices against people of any color or creed, what have you.

What sickens me with any race, including my own, are the attitudes of the lazy, self serving members. There are two kinds of people in every race. The proper name, and the politically incorrect name (cracker, sp*ck, ni**er, g**k yadda yadda, all are equally vulgar). There are lazy, system abusing people in every race. Hell, I'M lazy and system abusing sometimes (I hack off of neighboring wireless high-speed internet so I don't have to pay Cox Cable sometimes).

What this all boils down to is respecting the country in which you immigrate too. If I get a wild hair up my butt to move to France, Russia, or Italy...you can bet your life savings that I'm going to learn French, Russian, or Italian. How can you expect to survive in a FOREIGN culture without learning about it? I know that the economy sucks in other countries. I watch the news, I see the documentaries, and my heart goes out to these people, but I would not expect them to learn my culture and adapt to my language if I decided to move there.

Tourist hot spots like Vegas, NY, or LA should have multiple language resources available. That's the price you should pay for the billion dollar tourist industry. I know that on trips to Rocky Point I've taken, some of the Mexicans speak English when they want to sell me something. But I still can't expect to do much out there without knowing "survivors" Spanish. There is absolutely nothing wrong with immigration.

By all means, if your life is really that bad, please do come here. America will embrace you and help you have a better life. But don't expect America to completely change and adapt to your former customs. Respect this country and be grateful for the chance for a better life she is offering you. By all means, if you're in your private residence, speak your native tounge. That is your life-given right. But honestly, weren't you asking for a different BETTER life? Then how can you expect everything to be the same?!! Also, to Mexican-Americans....please stop making this immigration issue all about YOU.

It's about ALL illegal immigrants. Not just you. Granted, I do see alot of "profiled" Mexicans in Mesa...the ones that are pregnant at 14, or the ones that have 15 children at Wal-Mart and can't seem to keep them in line. But, guess what...in neighboring Apache Junction, there are tons of white people who are doing the exact same thing. It's not just about Mexico. Mexico is just the easiest target right now. I for one love Mexican culture: the architechure, the clothing, and hello! the food is great!

But please respect this country, and not ask us to play a Spanish recording of the Star Spangled Banner. That is just a downright slap in the face to the country that is providing your living. And I would say the same thing to a Frenchman, Italian, or Asian, if they had done it. Also to the bigots out there....unless your are a DIRECT DECENDANT of a Native American, you are an immigrant too! Your ancestors came in search of a better life so that you could be born into freedom.

Besides, if bigots have such an issue with "preserving America" and our freedom, then they should be in the Armed Forces or National Guard. Everyone should just respect one another. This country was founded on immigrants. If they are making a genuine effort to live a better life without disregarding the foundation of their country, then Americans should provide them the proper, ABUSE-FREE necessities to do so. Every human has a right to reach for the stars.

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It really boils down to Respect

AUTHOR: Christy - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Wednesday, August 09, 2006

I have read most of the comments on this issue, and being a resident of Mesa, AZ for quite some time (growing up here, going to school here, etc.), I feel that I have seen alot of the "immigration" issues first hand. First of all, I am a White/Caucasian/Anglo (whatever) 24 yr. old female with family roots in Ireland, Germany, and probably lots of other places. I love my culture, and I don't have a problem saying that. I have no prejudices against people of any color or creed, what have you.

What sickens me with any race, including my own, are the attitudes of the lazy, self serving members. There are two kinds of people in every race. The proper name, and the politically incorrect name (cracker, sp*ck, ni**er, g**k yadda yadda, all are equally vulgar). There are lazy, system abusing people in every race. Hell, I'M lazy and system abusing sometimes (I hack off of neighboring wireless high-speed internet so I don't have to pay Cox Cable sometimes).

What this all boils down to is respecting the country in which you immigrate too. If I get a wild hair up my butt to move to France, Russia, or Italy...you can bet your life savings that I'm going to learn French, Russian, or Italian. How can you expect to survive in a FOREIGN culture without learning about it? I know that the economy sucks in other countries. I watch the news, I see the documentaries, and my heart goes out to these people, but I would not expect them to learn my culture and adapt to my language if I decided to move there.

Tourist hot spots like Vegas, NY, or LA should have multiple language resources available. That's the price you should pay for the billion dollar tourist industry. I know that on trips to Rocky Point I've taken, some of the Mexicans speak English when they want to sell me something. But I still can't expect to do much out there without knowing "survivors" Spanish. There is absolutely nothing wrong with immigration.

By all means, if your life is really that bad, please do come here. America will embrace you and help you have a better life. But don't expect America to completely change and adapt to your former customs. Respect this country and be grateful for the chance for a better life she is offering you. By all means, if you're in your private residence, speak your native tounge. That is your life-given right. But honestly, weren't you asking for a different BETTER life? Then how can you expect everything to be the same?!! Also, to Mexican-Americans....please stop making this immigration issue all about YOU.

It's about ALL illegal immigrants. Not just you. Granted, I do see alot of "profiled" Mexicans in Mesa...the ones that are pregnant at 14, or the ones that have 15 children at Wal-Mart and can't seem to keep them in line. But, guess what...in neighboring Apache Junction, there are tons of white people who are doing the exact same thing. It's not just about Mexico. Mexico is just the easiest target right now. I for one love Mexican culture: the architechure, the clothing, and hello! the food is great!

But please respect this country, and not ask us to play a Spanish recording of the Star Spangled Banner. That is just a downright slap in the face to the country that is providing your living. And I would say the same thing to a Frenchman, Italian, or Asian, if they had done it. Also to the bigots out there....unless your are a DIRECT DECENDANT of a Native American, you are an immigrant too! Your ancestors came in search of a better life so that you could be born into freedom.

Besides, if bigots have such an issue with "preserving America" and our freedom, then they should be in the Armed Forces or National Guard. Everyone should just respect one another. This country was founded on immigrants. If they are making a genuine effort to live a better life without disregarding the foundation of their country, then Americans should provide them the proper, ABUSE-FREE necessities to do so. Every human has a right to reach for the stars.

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It really boils down to Respect

AUTHOR: Christy - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Wednesday, August 09, 2006

I have read most of the comments on this issue, and being a resident of Mesa, AZ for quite some time (growing up here, going to school here, etc.), I feel that I have seen alot of the "immigration" issues first hand. First of all, I am a White/Caucasian/Anglo (whatever) 24 yr. old female with family roots in Ireland, Germany, and probably lots of other places. I love my culture, and I don't have a problem saying that. I have no prejudices against people of any color or creed, what have you.

What sickens me with any race, including my own, are the attitudes of the lazy, self serving members. There are two kinds of people in every race. The proper name, and the politically incorrect name (cracker, sp*ck, ni**er, g**k yadda yadda, all are equally vulgar). There are lazy, system abusing people in every race. Hell, I'M lazy and system abusing sometimes (I hack off of neighboring wireless high-speed internet so I don't have to pay Cox Cable sometimes).

What this all boils down to is respecting the country in which you immigrate too. If I get a wild hair up my butt to move to France, Russia, or Italy...you can bet your life savings that I'm going to learn French, Russian, or Italian. How can you expect to survive in a FOREIGN culture without learning about it? I know that the economy sucks in other countries. I watch the news, I see the documentaries, and my heart goes out to these people, but I would not expect them to learn my culture and adapt to my language if I decided to move there.

Tourist hot spots like Vegas, NY, or LA should have multiple language resources available. That's the price you should pay for the billion dollar tourist industry. I know that on trips to Rocky Point I've taken, some of the Mexicans speak English when they want to sell me something. But I still can't expect to do much out there without knowing "survivors" Spanish. There is absolutely nothing wrong with immigration.

By all means, if your life is really that bad, please do come here. America will embrace you and help you have a better life. But don't expect America to completely change and adapt to your former customs. Respect this country and be grateful for the chance for a better life she is offering you. By all means, if you're in your private residence, speak your native tounge. That is your life-given right. But honestly, weren't you asking for a different BETTER life? Then how can you expect everything to be the same?!! Also, to Mexican-Americans....please stop making this immigration issue all about YOU.

It's about ALL illegal immigrants. Not just you. Granted, I do see alot of "profiled" Mexicans in Mesa...the ones that are pregnant at 14, or the ones that have 15 children at Wal-Mart and can't seem to keep them in line. But, guess what...in neighboring Apache Junction, there are tons of white people who are doing the exact same thing. It's not just about Mexico. Mexico is just the easiest target right now. I for one love Mexican culture: the architechure, the clothing, and hello! the food is great!

But please respect this country, and not ask us to play a Spanish recording of the Star Spangled Banner. That is just a downright slap in the face to the country that is providing your living. And I would say the same thing to a Frenchman, Italian, or Asian, if they had done it. Also to the bigots out there....unless your are a DIRECT DECENDANT of a Native American, you are an immigrant too! Your ancestors came in search of a better life so that you could be born into freedom.

Besides, if bigots have such an issue with "preserving America" and our freedom, then they should be in the Armed Forces or National Guard. Everyone should just respect one another. This country was founded on immigrants. If they are making a genuine effort to live a better life without disregarding the foundation of their country, then Americans should provide them the proper, ABUSE-FREE necessities to do so. Every human has a right to reach for the stars.

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#447 Consumer Comment

You people are blind

AUTHOR: Rob - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Saturday, August 05, 2006

Everytime the issue of immigration comes up, the first thing you hear is, " we are doing jobs for people who don't want to do it" " The economy would slow down" " we're contributing millions to the economy" First off, you act like if every border jumper was to leave, that America would all of a sudden screach to a halt. There are plenty of people here to do the work and keep things going, were just not going to do it for .05 cents an hour. And the living conditions is your own fault. I don't think any one in American is anti Mexican, just anti illegal. If you were legal, then those tax dollers would come back to benefit everyone, instead of your 70 year old grandma who just arrived last week and never paid into the system, who is taking care of ten kids cause all their parents are in lock up. Drain Drain Drain. Do we even need to talk about crime or the cost to keep someone in prison?

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#446 Consumer Comment

Difference between Illegal and Legal

AUTHOR: Laura - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Friday, August 04, 2006

The way to combat this problem is very simple - enforce the laws already in place or increase penalties. I feel for those illegal immigrants who have to live through this- but would they have had to if they went through the proper channels?

We have migrant workers that come here every year and while they are not living at the Ritz , the housing is humane, and the wage is a living wage although a low living wage - but nevertheless, more than what they would be getting in Mexico. These are legal migrant workers, who waited their time and didn't try to break the law.

Secondly, increase teh penalties for employers who hire illegal immigrants and provide such horrible conditions for them. If the penalty was stiff enough and steep enough - they wouldn't run the risk, period - if it was enforced. But I have to ask why is it that you feel so compelled to fight for rights in this country, when you don't want to fight in your own.

If your family is still there, and you are sending money home to help take care of them, don't you also care what conditions they are living in.

Why are you all not banded together in Mexico city and working for reform?

Why not fight for programs in your own communities to increase the economy and way of life?

Why is it that those who want to fight for illegal immigrant rights, aren't marching to Mexico city as well?

Why are they not funding programs in Mexico to increase their livelihood there? Why are they not starting business that can provide a good income for those in Mexico?

Why are you not fighting the Mexican government to provide welfare programs, since you feel so compelled us U.S. citizens should be paying for it?

Wouldn't this make everyone happy?

We get our economy back, and they get to live in a more stable and humane environment. Enforce the laws, come here legally to work, and fight for your rights in your own country - not just those lucky enough to sneek across the Rio Grande.

And to all you who whine about your maids being taken away - pay more or do it yourself, I can manage to take care of 8 children and house by myself, so can you - it would just mean one trip away from the Spa every week.

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#445 Consumer Comment

To Charles

AUTHOR: Flaviano - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Thursday, August 03, 2006

The reason that Bush is doing nothing about the influx is very simple. It is so simple I am actually shocked that you did not figure it out for yourself. Still wondering? Okay, let me answer it for you.

If you look at the "United States" past, we have always allowed a large influx of foreigners to enter the country because their services were needed. In the past it was due to the fact that so many United States Citizens of Euro Decent were fighting in wars abroad. Once they were "no longer needed" they were "sent away" without even a thank you for supporting us during our time of need. Instead they were called a scourge.
Great way to make friends.

The last few recent wars have still called for foreigners to give us support during our time of need. This time around as soldiers. Unless you don't keep up with current events, it is hard to miss that a high percentage of the names of deceased soldiers has been of Latin Orgin.

It is sad that there are people who are so ignorant and hate those who are willing to fight for a country of which so many people don't want the majority of them to be here... oh wait, Iraq is going through that too with the U.S. being over there... but that is a different rant.

Regardless, These young men and women of Latin Orgins are spilling their blood so you can drive your S.U.V.'s (many of them children of undocumented immigrants) and you have your head stuck so far up your *ss that you can't even say thank you.

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#444 Consumer Comment

I agree

AUTHOR: Charles - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Thursday, August 03, 2006

I, agree we should throw out these Illegal Immigrant but some how george w. bush wants them in this country, because bush & the republicans are doing nothing about this problem!.

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#443 Consumer Comment

Illegal Immigrant Deport them all

AUTHOR: Latoya - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Thursday, August 03, 2006

I would like to say that nothing in America is for so why should these illegals get everything for free. What they need to do is protest in their country why go to another person country for your rights you should get rights from your government in mexico. In every other country if you were illegal you would be sent back to your country as soon as possible. you illegals are bringing down the country. Thsi is what we as americans need to do we need to protest and march just like what they did to let them know we are tired of it. And for those who say americans are lazy we are not lazy we are far from it. If we were lazy why is America the wealthiest country in the world. If illegals love to work so much then why don't you illegals work to bring up the econnmy in Mexico since you are not lazy and love to work

for the illegal that says black are lazy let me tell you something I am a black female 25 with my own business. My husband is black as well and he own his own business as well. I live is a home over 4,400 square feet that i purchase for over 500k and i would never hire an illegal to clean my house. I would never hire an illegal to work at my business never. But for us americans we need to find these company that are hiring illegals and report them to the government. For the illegals that think the American government is going to pass the law to give you illegals path to citizenship think againg because it will never pass matter afact it was dead upon arrival. When we get bush out of office it will all change so illegals pack your bags.

My other problem with illegals is that they are not recorded in the government data base so if they commit a crime they can get away with it. I say deport them all. All 11 million of them.

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It is easy to pick out the bad, how many look at the good?

AUTHOR: Flaviano - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Thursday, August 03, 2006

I find many of the responses to the original post to be hilarious for the most part. I love how most negative statements call Immigrants criminals. A scourge to society to say the least.

I am the product of a Mexican Migrant Working Family. My father came here at the age of fourteen to find work to better himself and find a better life... He did.

My father worked in the fields for many, many years. Eventually he became a mechanic, learned enough to open his own auto shop and now owns one of the largest Jaguar Dealerships in Southern California, a regular living home (Which happens to be the largest home in our city), various vacation homes and apartment complexes.

My mother is a teacher in the LAUSD and has been for several years. I, as well as my two brothers (yes we are only 3 offsring, not 13 as many have mentioned Mexicans have so many) are all college educated, Myself with a degree in literature, and my younger brothers with a degree in Business and the other in Music (respectively by age).

I myself chose to open a book store and will eventually be a teacher, my brother with a business degree will be taking over my fathers business and my youngest brother will use his degree in music to be a teacher as well (though he is young enough to still believe he will be a rockstar, more power to him).

Also, various people in my family (uncles and aunts on both sides) have very respected positions at universities (Berkley, Davis, SF, to mention a few) as well high level government positions in california (well, mainly in the Bay Area) and high positions in companies such as Chevron. Not to mention the Various Cousins that I have working in Law Enforcement, as Fireman, Marines, Navymen, Army Rangers, Doctors and Lawyers.

Yes, this really does seem like the Mexican criminal entity is the main entity from Mexico that is entering the United States and creating a Scourge on its people.

My point being, when people "fight" immigration they like to focus on the bad. There are bad seeds in all races but, you can't judge all people by those few.

Rather than be a "victim" of the problem why not do what these people did. Move and make a better life for yourself. I already know what you are saying in your head.. "Why should I have to move? blah blah blah" Do you really think these people wanted to move? No, but they did to find a better life.

When my father came to the U.S. he thought it would be for a couple of years, make money and go home to Mexico. He came at 14 and is now 55 years old, he has not seen his home town but 2 or 3 times since he left as a boy. It is a hard thing to do for anyone.

The Determination a person has determines what kind of person they will be. If you spend your life blaming others for your short comings you will have nothing but those short comings. If my parents and their families can come from Mexico as they did and create what they have, anyone with the same determination can. How about focusing on families like mine or would you complain that your lack of education and determination was detered because of families like mine?

Fact is the United States is a beautiful place if you know what you are doing. I call it the United States because that is what it is, not "America". America is two continents, not a country. Unfortunately human nature is to point the finger at others for your own short comings and downfalls.

Let us take a quick look at the hated in this country at this moment, Middle Easterns because of 9/11, Latin Americans because most are here taking legal United States Citizens Jobs. Just a few years ago we hated Blacks. Before that China, Russia (U.S.S.R.)and other communist countries thought now we have trade routes with them. Before that the Japanese-Americans because of what there Native Japanese Counterparts had done. Before that, Italian and Irish Immigrants (of which many Irish Immigrants fought on the Side of Mexico during the Mexican-American War because of the way the U.S. Government treated them, How about that). The list goes on and on.

It is sad to say that as "Civilized" a nation as we have become, we still can't get over ourselves and point at others for our own downfall.

Remember, This is your world, These are your people. You can build the world for yourself today, or you can help build tomorrow for everyone.

Flaviano - Southern California

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#441 Consumer Comment

help the illegals - We need to attack the employers with heavy penalties for employing illegals

AUTHOR: Troy - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Wednesday, August 02, 2006

I think we shoul make a good guest worker program where they pay their fare share in tax and their own health care and make it easy for good law abiding (help mexico develop a good criminal background check) mexicans to come here. If they get stupid and start getting arrested or not working ship them back. The problem is for every 1 hard working mexican comming here to make a living there is 5 in the ghetto, commiting crimes and sucking the system dry. We need to attack the employers with heavy penalties for employing illegals. We should build huge tent prisions on the border for illegals 1st offence 6 months, 2nd 1 yr. 3rd offence 18 mo. If we make it easy for good law abiding mexicans to come here and very hard for the bad and the employers employing them. Our problem would be solved.

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#440 Consumer Comment

No, they wouldnt...

AUTHOR: Cory - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Friday, July 14, 2006

Take a look around out there and do some research... They're not stupid. They wouldnt mow your lawn for 2 dollars an hour. As a matter of fact, i ran into a group of people a couple of weeks ago who are actually exploiting the fact that people want them gone. They wont do the jobs that they have for less than $12 an hour. The reason? They KNOW they're needed. Did they get fired for refusing to work for less? Nope. Did they get the money they wanted? They sure did!

I think this thread is funny for a couple of reasons. A majority of the people posting here most likely live fairly well. Most of you have probably never been in these situations. As somebody who has a majority of family members who are in this country illegally, I know first hand what alot of them go through.

On that same note, i've seen how unfairly people who ARE here legally get treated by the government and law enforcement. It's extremely unfair for the majority of these people to get treated the way they do. My father has been in this country LEGALLY for 30 years.

Yet every time he comes back from Mexico, there's been a couple of Customs agents who try to catch him doing something illegally. These "few" agents have been trying to pin something on him for the last 20 years. They have nothing. He's done nothing. So while they're wasting time and money trying to set somebody up, real criminals are sneaking through. THATS an injustice.

A rough estimate, i would say, would be about 150 people from my family have come here illegally. Out of those people, not a single one has ever done anything to break the law while they've been here. They've never collected a single dollar in taxes that most of us do. They dont complain. They're not able to get benifits at jobs they've been with for 15 plus years. They dont complain. They go to work, they get paid, they're happy. They obey the rules and laws of this country while they're here, and they're happy. None of you know they're here, so why does it bother you?

Is it the fact that a new "mexican" meat market just sprang up in your neighborhood and it bothers you? Is it the fact that you were at the store last week and you overheard a conversation in spanish that you didnt understand?

I'm proud of my heritage for a few reasons. My great great grandfather came here from Germany in the 1800's. I'm German, Irish, and Dutch on my mothers side. I'm Mexican on my fathers side. I have no knowledge of my caucasian heritage. Thats all I know about where I came from. The mexican side I am proud of. I was taught German and Spanish as a child, but have next to no idea of how to speak German. Knowing Spanish has been an advantage for me throughout my life.

As an adult, i've seen alot more than I'm comfortable with as far as this thread goes. The harsh reality of it is simply this; no matter what any of us do, say, or wish to happen, this problem will not go away. Not in our time, nor our childrens. There are ways to tighten it up, but there's no way to ever make it go away. The sooner we can all see that, the faster we can come up with a realistic solution.

I mean, come on... They're talking about stripping children whose parents are here illegally of their citizenship. That goes against our constitution. Against what this country was founded on. There are more realistic, less ridiculous things that can be done to help minimize the problem. Instead of butting heads trying to push that you're right and i'm wrong, lets be constructive. Lets come up with a REASONABLE solution. You get enough people behind you, you're gonna make some changes.

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#439 Consumer Comment

This report is ridiculous...

AUTHOR: John - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Thursday, July 13, 2006

These people are CRIMINALS. They have no repect for our laws, hence breaking them to get here.

They don't "do jobs that Americans don't want." They do jobs Americans don't want to do for such little money.

When I was a kid, I looked forward to becoming of working age so I could work in a car wash, restaurant, etc. I worked part-time as a cleaner in my school. Now, with the salaries for basic jobs not having increased much since the mid '80s, of COURSE Americans don't want these jobs! CRIMINAL "immigrants" facilitate Americans being able to forsate their own in favor of cheap, exploitive labor.

If you want to do something about the exploitation of CRIMINAL "immigrants," MAKE THEM LEAVE.

Would you mow my lawn for $2 an hour? A mexican CRIMINAL would. Would you mow my lawn for $20 an hour? I'd mow lawns for $20 an hour, and if people had to pay that much to get their lawns mowed, they would. So don't try to make it sound like the labor infrastructure of this country would come crashing down if all the criminial "immigrants" left. There are enough people allowed into this country legally, and enough willing to abide by the laws by coming here legally, that there's really no basis for that claim anyway.

It's time to get serious and stop the invasion.

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#438 Consumer Comment

My god.... If you're going to break the law by hiring people illegally, then you should at least treat those people with some sort of civility and compassion

AUTHOR: Cory - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Friday, July 07, 2006

I'm not saying that ALL employers are responsible for it. I'm saying that the people profiled in the beginning of this report should have done something for the people they hired... ESPECIALLY since it was on their personal private property. More SHOULD HAVE been done, but wasn't. We all know that our opinions are not going to be taken by all who read them, and I respect that. But my point is this...If you're going to break the law by hiring people illegally, then you should at least treat those people with some sort of civility and compassion... The SLAVES got better housing than that. Thats all I'm saying...

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#437 Consumer Comment

WRONG!!

AUTHOR: Robert - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Thursday, June 29, 2006

The employer is NOT responsible for providing housing to the employees...PERIOD!

My family came here LEGALLY, so I am not just like an ILLEGAL immigrant. My family filled out paperwork, passed the exams to come over, etc. Just about the only group of immigrants who DON'T think they should do that are Mexicans. And for them to come here LEGALLY, is FREE. Their own Government will provide all of the paperwork and documents they need to enter LEGALLY.

It's funny because Mexico has it's own ILLEGAL immigration problem on IT'S own Southern border. There, when the Mexican authorities catch you, they put you in jail for 2 years. A Congressman here in America worded an immigration policy to be exactly like Mexico's...verbatim. The Mexican Government protested, saying it was a horrible violation of human rights.

Hmmmm. It's good enough for their own Government, but if we did it, it's a human rights violation.

Keep pitching out there. Some of us know how to hit them out of the park.

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#436 Consumer Comment

WRONG!!

AUTHOR: Robert - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Thursday, June 29, 2006

The employer is NOT responsible for providing housing to the employees...PERIOD!

My family came here LEGALLY, so I am not just like an ILLEGAL immigrant. My family filled out paperwork, passed the exams to come over, etc. Just about the only group of immigrants who DON'T think they should do that are Mexicans. And for them to come here LEGALLY, is FREE. Their own Government will provide all of the paperwork and documents they need to enter LEGALLY.

It's funny because Mexico has it's own ILLEGAL immigration problem on IT'S own Southern border. There, when the Mexican authorities catch you, they put you in jail for 2 years. A Congressman here in America worded an immigration policy to be exactly like Mexico's...verbatim. The Mexican Government protested, saying it was a horrible violation of human rights.

Hmmmm. It's good enough for their own Government, but if we did it, it's a human rights violation.

Keep pitching out there. Some of us know how to hit them out of the park.

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#435 Consumer Comment

WRONG!!

AUTHOR: Robert - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Thursday, June 29, 2006

The employer is NOT responsible for providing housing to the employees...PERIOD!

My family came here LEGALLY, so I am not just like an ILLEGAL immigrant. My family filled out paperwork, passed the exams to come over, etc. Just about the only group of immigrants who DON'T think they should do that are Mexicans. And for them to come here LEGALLY, is FREE. Their own Government will provide all of the paperwork and documents they need to enter LEGALLY.

It's funny because Mexico has it's own ILLEGAL immigration problem on IT'S own Southern border. There, when the Mexican authorities catch you, they put you in jail for 2 years. A Congressman here in America worded an immigration policy to be exactly like Mexico's...verbatim. The Mexican Government protested, saying it was a horrible violation of human rights.

Hmmmm. It's good enough for their own Government, but if we did it, it's a human rights violation.

Keep pitching out there. Some of us know how to hit them out of the park.

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#434 Consumer Comment

WRONG!!

AUTHOR: Robert - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Thursday, June 29, 2006

The employer is NOT responsible for providing housing to the employees...PERIOD!

My family came here LEGALLY, so I am not just like an ILLEGAL immigrant. My family filled out paperwork, passed the exams to come over, etc. Just about the only group of immigrants who DON'T think they should do that are Mexicans. And for them to come here LEGALLY, is FREE. Their own Government will provide all of the paperwork and documents they need to enter LEGALLY.

It's funny because Mexico has it's own ILLEGAL immigration problem on IT'S own Southern border. There, when the Mexican authorities catch you, they put you in jail for 2 years. A Congressman here in America worded an immigration policy to be exactly like Mexico's...verbatim. The Mexican Government protested, saying it was a horrible violation of human rights.

Hmmmm. It's good enough for their own Government, but if we did it, it's a human rights violation.

Keep pitching out there. Some of us know how to hit them out of the park.

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#433 Consumer Comment

my comment was basically based on the pictures from the beginning of this report. should at LEAST, give them adequate shelter... AT LEAST. Regardless of their legal status

AUTHOR: Cory - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Thursday, June 29, 2006

Ok... Robert, my comment was basically based on the pictures from the beginning of this report. If these people are going to hire illegal immigrants to come work on their land, live on their land, etc... They should at LEAST, give them adequate shelter... AT LEAST. Regardless of their legal status, they ARE human beings. For these people to be worked the way they are for the wages they make, is bad enough. But they do it. I'm not saying that every employer should give free room and board to their employees... but then again, i'm sure that you dont have YOUR employees working out on some farm, field, or orchard in 100+ degree heat working for 6 dollars an hour and living in cardboard huts... Do you? If you're going to treat them like slaves, how are you any better of a person than them? They work for money. ANY money. ANY money here is better than what they make where they're from. And all this talk about "the mexican government needs to work on this and that..." Dont you think that if they could, they would?? Why doesnt the United States offer some help? They've got a hand in everything else that goes on in this world...(that makes a profit) Why not lend a helping hand to a SISTER country for once? Instead of spreading our troops thin all throughout the world, and exhausting valuable money, resources, and human lives on a cause that we as a country gave up on LOOOOOOONG ago.... Why dont they help out a country that NEEDS it? It's ridiculous for us, as a nation, to act as though we're the only people on this planet that have a god given right to be here... Every single person on this post (with the exception of any native americans) has known someone or is related to someone who came to this nation ILLEGALLY at some point. They weren't ASKED to come here. They weren't "welcomed with open arms" when they stepped off of their boats. The English...They fled here to avoid religious persecution... The spanish came here exploring... When they got here, there was already people HERE! Just because there wasnt any "laws" against it at the time doesnt justify it. Every culture that came here, did so with a purpose. Whether it be exploration, exile, escaping persecution, whatever that reason was, there was a reason. Now we turn people away. Make them go through ridiculous processes, register for this, sign up for that...And say they can only stay here for so long?? How many people were sent back to England after 5 years? How many spanish were sent home after 5 years? Its ridiculous. If there is going to be borders, protect them... But not from the people trying to make a living or give their families a better life... But from the people who seek to destroy us. The people who hate us for these EXACT REASONS! Focus more on the people building bombs and plotting mass murders and less on the people trying to build houses and picking fruit... The people you dont want here are just like you. They would die for their family. They would do anything to make sure their children have a better life than they did. Whats so wrong with that? You didnt earn the right to live here...why should they?

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#432 Consumer Comment

Why is it the employer's responsibility, Cory?

AUTHOR: Robert - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Wednesday, June 28, 2006

I don't provide my employees with housing. I also don't provide them with a Doctor. Granted, mine are American citizens, but how does being in this country illegally suddenly mean the person employing them must do more than give them a paycheck?

The American Indians had a very poor immigration policy. See what happened?

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#431 Consumer Comment

That made NO sense... The bible has nothing to do with this.

AUTHOR: Cory - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Tuesday, June 27, 2006

None whatsoever... The bible has nothing to do with this. I dont know where you came from with that, but...what does "Noah's Ark" have to do with todays issues? Are you saying god is going to flood the earth because mexicans are coming here illegally? Doesnt make any d**n sense...As far as the living conditions go...Regardless of HOW they got here or WHY they're here, it doesnt matter. They shouldnt be treated as inferiors and be forced to live in shantys and cardboard huts with no running water... If you're going to hire them and let them live on your property, then obviously they're going to be working for you. I dont expect my employer to send me to "James The Butcher" in some backalley somewhere for medical problems because they wanna save some money. If you're going to hire them to work for you (which is illegal in the first d**n place) at LEAST have the decency to accomodate them in a compassionate form.

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#430 Consumer Suggestion

Illegal means Illegal

AUTHOR: Alberta - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Monday, June 26, 2006

To all those people out there that do not understand the laws of the land you only have to look in the bible for your answer.

Under God's law the Israelites had to obey the law and if they did not then they were punished plain and simple.

Well what would happen if a group of people decided to protest and make God change the law?

Well it didn't change the fact the law was the law. If people decided to protest and some did they were put to death. Now I'm not saying the Illegal Aliens here from Mexico should be put to death but they are reaping what they have sowed.
I saw the very sad heart felt pictures and I must say they are bad living conditions but, that is the more reason why I would think a person would want to obey the law.

Furthermore, these people cannot be compared with slaves from this country because the slaves where brought here against their will, every Mexican here has come on their own free will.

If Mexicans don't learn to obey the law now they never will obey any law including God's law and by the way it doesn't matter how many people protest it remember "Noah's Ark"

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#429 Consumer Comment

How are we supposed to rely on a man like Bush, when this kind of stuff happens??! ON CAMERA!

AUTHOR: Cory - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Saturday, June 24, 2006

Thank you...

Has anybody seen the most recent evidence of "How stupid our elected leader is?". Please...watch.

http://heaven666.org/videos/bush-owned-interview-774.php

How are we supposed to rely on a man like Bush, when this kind of stuff happens??! ON CAMERA!?? Its just about as scary as his vocabulary. If you think Bush is going to be the one who even makes a DENT in illegal immigration, then watch the video one more time and think about it... Its too funny to even comprehend that bush is gonna be able to solve the "problem", as you people call it.

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#428 Consumer Comment

Focus on real problems people, like how to run a Country. Illegals don't even make my top 100 list.

AUTHOR: Dave - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Wednesday, June 21, 2006

Reality is too real.

Bet after you solve the "Illegal" problem your next agenda will be; How to Make America (to f'in funny that those from the USA exclude "All of the America's - Central and South) an All White Nation.

The blame clearly points to Republicans. Demorcats are pro Union and want the wealth shared, so it has to be the Republican who are the driving force behind the influx of Illegals.

Republics; the first to hire them, the first to complain about them and the most likely to benefit from them. Republicans seem to be very conflicted in their thoughts.

P. S. I Like the Majority of United States citizans (last I heard we make up 52%), I can't stand either of our two major parties - count me as one who has no faith in either.
Listening to C-SPAN and the childish arguing that these two jack-a*s parties ingage in - why would anyone lower themselfs to supporting groups that consistantly prove they can't do anything right.

Focus on real problems people, like how to run a Country. Illegals don't even make my top 100 list.

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#427 Consumer Comment

Unless you're Native American, your family came here from SOMEWHERE.

AUTHOR: Cory - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Tuesday, June 20, 2006

I have a question... Why does it always seem to come to this? Illegal Immigrants sell drugs...blah blah blah... I'm gonna say this one more time... WHITE AMERICANS, BLACK AMERICANS, NATIVE AMERICANS, MEXICAN AMERICANS, ETC......THEY ALL SELL DRUGS...LEGAL OR NOT!

And stop crying about it...If there wasnt a "market" for the stuff, there wouldnt be the need to sell it. Everybody goes to jail just the same... assuming they're caught.

Just because you have seen or heard of a few instances where someone got treated differently, doesnt mean its an epidemic... If somebody can come up with a legit, VALID arguement that involves something that ISNT or HAS NOT already been done in this country by US CITIZENS, then please...find something.

Nobody on this continent is "non immigrant" except for one group. It may be getting old as a point, but d**n it, IT'S TRUE. So this is what I see..."Lets forget what our forefathers did to the people that were here when they got there. Lets forget about what happened back then. Lets pretend like this was our land to begin with. Lets say that nobody else has the right to come here the way WE did." Its ignorant.

How many of you people are NOT relatives of someone who came here from ANOTHER COUNTRY!? Unless you're Native American, your family came here from SOMEWHERE. The Native Americans didnt for them all to learn the native language at the time, pass some stupid test, or make them serve in their "Army". What in the hell gives the U.S. the right?

"Give me your sick, your tired, your poor,
your huddled masses yearning to breath free,
the wretched refuse of your teeming shore,
send these the homeless, tempest-tost to me,
i lift my lamp beside the golden door!"

When did we cast this aside? When did we decide that this had no meaning?

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#426 Consumer Comment

sick of hearing that MEXICANS are wanting to ruin this, or destroying that...

AUTHOR: Cory - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Tuesday, June 20, 2006

I am losing ALOT of respect for some of the people on the message board... I'm sick of hearing that MEXICANS are wanting to ruin this, or destroying that... How do you know they're from mexico?? Because they came up THROUGH mexico??! When you're talking ILLEGAL immigrants coming up THROUGH mexico, you're talking about Southern and Central American, as WELL as Chinese... When i'm at work and I hear someone make some stupid a*s comment like, "Fu**ing Mexicans" or some dumb crap like that, I wanna smack the dog crap out of them. When did you people start checking ID's? I understand illegal immigration is a major problem here, but its not going to go away, EVER. Alot of you are living in this alternate reality where you seem to think that its going to go away in the near future. The Minutemen for example... How long until some minutemen get kidnapped? How long until some national guardsmen get shot at? How long until we end up starting a revolution? Instead of trying to find a way to Irraticate the problem, why not try to come up with a peaceful solution? All the people in the forum have alot in common. They all SUPPORT one side or the other. They all have a comment or an idea. How many of you have put them to use? How many have gone out and applied your ideas? Haha...i've got one for ya. Sedona, Arizona just had a fire blow through it. Started on Sunday, June 18th. Did you know that that fire is now the NUMBER ONE priority in the Nation? 1/5th the size of a fire in Colorado, but the Nations #1 Priority. Why? Sedona generates more than 1 Billion Dollars in From Tourism alone every year. 80% of all people who are employed in Sedona are Immigrants. (Legal and Non). Ask your government why its the #1 priority right now. (MOOOOOOOOOOOONEY) Watch the News...

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#425 Consumer Comment

I have no problems with the Illegal Immigrants in the USA

AUTHOR: Mark - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Saturday, June 03, 2006

They do the jobs that a lot of us don't want to do. How ever, what I do have a problem with is, the crimes that are committed by Illegal Immigrants. I resently found out that in the midwest where there is none or hardly any Immigrantion Law enforcement or what ever they are called. When local police catch these Illegal Immigrants breaking laws, they can't do anything about it until immigration is called. Most of the time they just let them go. They are not diplomats, they don't have diplomatic immunity, but it seems that that is what is going on. If you are not following me, here is an example.

Illegal Immigrants sell drugs, doesn't matter what drug, but is caught by local law, they let them go and just take the drugs. (It seems to be too much trouble to contact who they need to, to take care of the problem) If it where me, I would be serving time in prison!

Thank you for your time.

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#424 Consumer Comment

Questions

AUTHOR: J - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Wednesday, May 24, 2006

I am for Legal immigration, there is nothing wrong with wanting to go somewhere else to make a better life for yourself, if you plan on making a positive contribution to the society. I feel that Illegal immigration issue should not be racial issue, I don't care what color or religion are. My concerns are with the future, can somebody answer these question for me.

1. In 30 years will the U.S have enough money to support Americans and Illegal immigrants?

2. In the future with the growing population of, I hate to say but, Mexicans will parts of the country begin to seem as if they were 3rd world as if it was Mexico?

3. What potential effects on society will illegal immigration have in 30 years?


Once again immigration does not bother me, I am just looking for my way of life to be preserved and the U.S to thrive, now if America being to suffer that changes everything.

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#423 Consumer Suggestion

Where is the root of the problem.

AUTHOR: Crystal - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Thursday, May 18, 2006

I think the economy of Mexico create the entire problem, they can not create jobs, Government system is so corrupted, I do not know how high the level of corruption go.

Now some American employer can use cheap labor and became abuser, because they can.

People can leave their country without knowing where the end of the road leads them to.

So who we will blame for the problem, Employer who hire illegal Immigrant, Illegal Immigrant by itself or Mexico Government.

I blame US Government, why have to leave an open border, no control the flood of Illegal Immigrant, every year we have to pay a lot of money for Education, medical Expense, while we do not have enough money to train Border patrol.
Beside those problem other matter rising as drugs and even National security.

If we need normal labor, we can open up more Legal Immigration to file up what we need.
That way no more abusive employer takes advantage of Illegal worker and we call for Human right violation.
They do because they can.
The matter only solve one by one, secure our border, heavy penalty for any employer hiring undocumented worker (50,000 per person), we do not need to do anything to undocumented worker, problem will solve by itself, no hiring, no work, no undocumented worker.

How those employer can abuse any human if they are scare to hire them and if they hire, they will not do any harm, because if they do, they will be the one get more abuse from INS.

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#422 Consumer Comment

The research and legal precedents clearly address the root of the problem - The Employers. major concern is the human rights violations which are ongoing and abhorrent.

AUTHOR: Aafes - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Monday, May 15, 2006

To Steve - that was an excellent post...

That was an excellent post. The research and legal precedents clearly address the root of the problem - The Employers.

Not only are they responsible for the appalling living conditions and human rights violations they are in clear violation of the law. While it is not cost effective and often difficult to prosecute an undocumented alien in our country prosecution of these employers on a large scale by the various State Attorney Generals would definitely make an difference in this situation.

It is documented that they not only knowingly hire these workers without proper documentation but there have also been cases prosecuted in both the U.S. and Mexico in which employers pay fees to the "coyotes" to help bring these workers into the U.S.

My major concern is the human rights violations which are ongoing and abhorrent. If a strong movement by citizen groups were to pressure the respective Attorneys General to prosecute under RICO statutes there would be change. As I posted before, without jobs, the workers have no reason to come and you would see marked change in the numbers entering the U.S. illegally.

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#421 Consumer Suggestion

Read this legal precedent for filing RICO charges on employers hiring illegals

AUTHOR: Steve - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Sunday, May 14, 2006

Three Components of a RICO Claim
To bring a valid civil and criminal RICO claim, a plaintiff must plead three elements: "(1) the defendant's violation of ?1962 [the section of the RICO Act that lists prohibited activities, which acts include violations of certain parts of the INA ed.], (2) an injury to the plaintiff's business or property, and (3) causation of the injury by the defendant's violation."11

Predicate Offenses. RICO allows private plaintiffs to seek compensation from any citizen or entity that causes injury to his business or property by engaging in a pattern of specific criminal acts, called predicate offenses.12 As mentioned, certain violations of the INA serve as predicate offenses, and are defined by the RICO statute as racketeering activity.13 A violation of Section 1962 of RICO exists when a defendant engages in a "pattern of racketeering activity," which is defined generally as "at least two acts of racketeering activity."

The INA clearly prohibits the hiring of illegal aliens, stating "[a]ny person who, during any 12-month period, knowingly hires for employment at least 10 individuals with actual knowledge that the individuals are aliens described in subparagraph (B) shall be fined?or imprisoned for not more than 5 years, or both."14 Thus, any company or person that knowingly hires, within any 12-month period, at least ten illegal aliens, commits a criminal violation of the INA, and is liable under RICO. This is the provision that is applicable in the recent class actions brought by Howard Foster, as well as in FILE's developing case.

The primary hurdle to establishing illegal hiring as a predicate act is the knowledge requirement. That is, the defendant must have knowledge that the persons hired are illegal aliens. Mr. Foster is attempting to overcome this hurdle by subpoenaing employment records to determine whether the new employees used valid Social Security numbers. If the Social Security numbers were invalid and unverified by the employer, then a jury may conclude that the employer had knowledge that it was hiring illegally satisfying the knowledge requirement necessary to establish illegal hiring as a predicate act under RICO.

In Mendoza v. Zirkle Fruit, Olivia Mendoza, the Washington fruit worker, and her fellow employees alleged that their employers "knowingly hired at least 50 undocumented workers per year as part of a scheme to depress employee wages."15 If proven, this allegation would satisfy the predicate offense requirements.

Another predicate act that would make an employer liable under RICO is encouraging or inducing "an alien to come to, enter, or reside in the United States, knowing or in reckless disregard of the fact that such coming to, entry, or residence is or will be in violation of law."16 The Fourth Circuit Court of Appeals has specifically interpreted this provision to apply to actions that encourage illegal aliens already in the United States to remain or that induce further illegal immigration.17 The Fourth Circuit held that "?encouraging' is not limited to bringing in, transporting or concealing illegal aliens. Rather, 'encouraging' relates to actions taken to convince the illegal alien to come to this country or to stay in this country."18 The Court held that a range of activities would meet this definition fertile ground for a good plaintiff attorney.

One way to encourage illegal immigration is to accept foreign-issued identification documents, such as the "matricula consular" card issued by the Mexican government, that are only needed by illegal aliens. Mexican consulate offices in the United States issue the cards to Mexican nationals living here, without regard to the immigration status of the recipients. Since all legal immigrants and foreign visitors have access to legitimate U.S.-issued identification, such as a passport with a visa stamp or a green card, only illegal aliens have need to rely on the matricula card to establish identity. Acceptance of such a card as valid U.S. identification would certainly facilitate the entry of illegal aliens into American society, and any bank, municipality, or other entity that accepts the card, knowingly provides benefits such as the ability to open bank accounts or access public services to illegal aliens usually reserved solely for US citizens or legal residents. Though there is no court opinion yet that speaks directly to this new issue, it is not unreasonable to argue that such a practice could be found to encourage illegal aliens already in the United States to remain.

Acceptance of the matricula card also induces further immigration because those contemplating illegal entry will be more likely to do so given the added benefits they can hope to obtain with a matricula card once inside the United States. Thus, acceptance of the matricula for financial gain may serve as a predicate act under RICO. If an entity, for financial gain, accepts the matricula on more than one occasion, it engages in a pattern of racketeering activity in violation of ?1962 of the RICO Act.

Other violations of the INA may also serve as predicate acts. While the previously mentioned acts employing illegal aliens ands encouraging illegal immigration are the only ones discussed in this article, this should not be construed as providing an exhaustive list of possible predicate acts. The INA also makes it unlawful to smuggle, transport, or harbor illegal aliens. If an entity gained financially from these unlawful actions and another person or business was injured as a result, that person or business may also be able to bring suit under RICO. Only time will tell just how comprehensive the RICO Act will prove to be in punishing those who violate U.S. immigration law.

Injury Suffered by the Plaintiff. In addition to establishing that the defendant has committed a predicate offense, the plaintiff must also show proof of injury. "Under RICO, ?any person injured in his business or property by reason of a violation of section 1962 of this chapter may sue therefore in any appropriate United States district court' for civil damages. 18 U.S.C. ?1964(c)."19

In Mendoza, the group of employees that brought the suit claimed that they suffered injury to their property in the form of lost wages. The Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals held that this allegation was sufficient to establish the injury element of the RICO claim.20

In Commercial Cleaning, the group of competitor cleaning companies that brought the suit alleged that they lost lucrative cleaning contracts that were awarded to the defendant. In fact, Commercial Cleaning lost a contract to the defendant that it had successfully performed for over a year. The Second Circuit Court of Appeals held that the alleged injury was sufficient to meet this element.21

Another plaintiff that may be able to show injury is the competitor of a financial corporation that accepts the matricula consular or other foreign-issued identification card to open a bank account or engage in other financial services activity. By accepting the card in violation of the INA, the bank or other entity gains a competitive advantage similar to the defendant in Commercial Cleaning. The bank, for example, would unlawfully gain additional account holders, strengthening its competitive position by providing it with additional resources to invest in loans. This unlawful activity would injure competitor banks in a similar way that the plaintiff companies were injured in Commercial Cleaning. The law-abiding competitor banks would potentially lose loan customers because the bank acting unlawfully may be able to provide better loan terms or otherwise gain a competitive advantage due to its strengthened financial position.

Again, this would clearly injure the business capabilities of the competitors and give potential plaintiffs a valid claim under RICO against the offending entities. Knowing that they could be held criminally and civilly liable for such a practice, many businesses might reconsider the practice of accepting matricula consular cards in the future.

Causation. The third element of a RICO claim causation has been the most challenging for plaintiffs looking for redress for injuries suffered due to violations of immigration law. In fact, the district courts that dismissed the previously mentioned cases did so based on lack of causation. This element requires that the predicate act committed by the defendant must have caused the injury to the plaintiff.

The test used to assess causation was established by the U.S. Supreme Court in Holmes v. Securities Investor Protection Corp.22 "Holmes described this proximate cause requirement as requiring a direct relation between the injury asserted and the injurious conduct alleged.'"23 This "direct relation" test requires the court to assess three factors: "(1) whether there are more direct victims of the alleged violation who can be counted on to vindicate the law; (2) whether it will be difficult to ascertain the amount of damages attributable to the violation; and (3) whether allowing recovery for indirect injuries would force the court to adopt complicated rules apportioning damages among plaintiffs removed at different levels of injury to obviate the risk of multiple recoveries."24

The U.S. District Court for the District of Connecticut applied this "direct relation" test in Commercial Cleaning v. Colin Service Systems. As mentioned, Commercial Cleaning sued on behalf of a group of office cleaning companies that competed with the defendant. Commercial Cleaning alleged that it lost cleaning contracts because Colin could provide lower bids as a result of Colin's employment of illegal aliens. By hiring illegal aliens, the plaintiff alleged, Colin was able to cut labor costs since it did not have to pay federal taxes for those employees and since it could pay the illegal aliens less than that which legal workers were entitled to, and would demand.

After applying the "direct relation" test, the court held that causation was not established.25 The court held the plaintiff lacked standing to sue under RICO, and dismissed the case,26 reasoning that multiple factors besides the alleged illegal hiring scheme could have caused the injury to the plaintiffs, that damages would be difficult to determine, and that the Immigration and Naturalization Service (INS), not the plaintiffs, had the responsibility to punish the defendant.27

On appeal, however, the Second Circuit Court of Appeals refuted these conclusions. While the Second Circuit agreed that multiple factors could have contributed to Commercial Cleaning's loss of contracts, it found that the plaintiff may be able to prove that the loss was due to Colin's illegal hiring scheme, and so should be given an opportunity to do so.28 The Court stated that "[w]here, as here, the parties have bid against each other, the difference between the lowest and second lowest bid is readily discoverable. If Commercial can prove that but for Colin's lower wage costs attributable to its illegal hiring scheme, Commercial would have won the contract and would have earned a profit on it, it will have shown a proximately caused injury, compensable under RICO."29

The Second Circuit also disagreed with the district court's conclusion that damages would be difficult to apportion. The Court clarified that this factor relates only to the risk of multiple liability where compensation is paid both to those directly injured by the defendant's illegal activity, called first-tier plaintiffs, and those derivatively injured, called second-tier plaintiffs. The concern of the Supreme Court in Holmes, the Second Circuit explained, "was that, if damages are paid both to first tier plaintiffs?and to second tier plaintiffs?then the payment of damages to the first tier plaintiffs would cure the harm to the second tier plaintiffs, and the payment of damages to the latter category would involve double compensation."30 However, there is no risk of double compensation in this case. "Commercial and its fellow class members are not alleging an injury that was derivative of injury to others. Commercial does not seek to recover based on ?the misfortunes visited upon a third person by the defendant's acts.'"31 Thus, the concern of the district court that damages would be difficult to apportion was unfounded.

The Second Circuit further disagreed with the district court, stating that Commercial Cleaning and its fellow class members were the proper entities to bring suit. Colin Systems had argued, and the district court had agreed, that the INS was the proper entity to bring suit against Colin Systems. The appellate court found this argument illogical. As the Second Circuit explained, if the fact that a government entity has a right to bring a suit means that private entities are precluded from suing, then there would be no private right of action under RICO because all predicate offenses under RICO expose the violator to government prosecution. Since there is a recognized private right of action under RICO, the district court's conclusion cannot be maintained.32

A similar sequence of events occurred in the case of Mendoza v. Zirkle Fruit. Mendoza sued her employer, alleging that her wages were suppressed as a result of her employer's hiring of illegal aliens. The U.S. District Court for the Eastern District of Washington dismissed the case, holding that Mendoza and her fellow class members lacked standing under RICO to bring suit.33 As in Commercial Cleaning, the district court in Mendoza applied the "direct relation" test and determined that the hiring of illegal aliens was not the proximate cause of the plaintiff's injury.34

While the district court did agree with Mendoza that she was the proper victim to bring suit because she did suffer a direct injury, the court disagreed with Mendoza as to the other two factors. The court held that the plaintiff would not be able to "concretely establish the degree to which their wages have been affected by the defendants' alleged violations" due to the multitude of factors that could contribute to the lower wages.35 The court stated that it would be "a daunting task" to sift through all these factors and determine the damages attributable to the employer's hiring of illegal aliens. The court thus held that Mendoza lacked standing under RICO, and dismissed her claim.

However, the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals, like its counterpart in the Second Circuit, reversed the dismissal of the RICO claim.36 The Ninth Circuit did agree with the district court's conclusion that Mendoza and her fellow class members were the proper victims to bring suit. "[T]aking the allegations in the complaint as true, we are unable to discern a more direct victim of the illegal conduct. The documented employees here do not complain of a passed-on harm. They allege that the scheme had the purpose and direct result of depressing the wages paid to them by the growers."37 However, the Ninth Circuit disagreed with the other findings of the district court.

First, the Ninth Circuit stated that the district court improperly dismissed based on the mere fact that factors other than the alleged illegal hiring scheme could have caused the depression of wages. "[I]t is inappropriate at this stage to substitute speculation for the complaint's allegations of causation?the workers must be allowed to make their case through presentation of evidence, including experts who will testify about the labor market, the geographic market, and the effects of the illegal scheme? For now, it is sufficient that the employees have alleged market power ? they must not be put to the test to prove this allegation at the pleading stage."38

The court noted specific portions of the complaint that strengthened the plaintiff's case the allegation that "the growers singularly have the ability to define wages in this labor market" and allegations that spelled out "a broad conspiracy causing direct harm to the workers." With these allegations included in the complaint, the court held that the plaintiff class had stated a valid claim, and that the plaintiffs should have the opportunity to prove their allegations at trial.

The Ninth Circuit also disagreed that damages would be difficult to calculate. "That wages would be lower if, as alleged, the growers relied on a workforce consisting largely of undocumented workers, is a claim at least plausible enough to survive a motion to dismiss, whatever difficulty might arise in establishing how much lower the wages would be."39 Thus, the Ninth Circuit was not persuaded that the possible difficulty of calculating damages was enough of a reason to dismiss an otherwise valid claim.

As a result of these conclusions, the Ninth Circuit reinstated the RICO claim and remanded the case.40

A third RICO case currently in the courts is Trollinger v. Tyson Foods. The facts of Trollinger are very similar to those in Mendoza ? a class of employees sued their employer for conspiring to depress their wages by hiring illegal aliens. The U.S. District Court for the Eastern District of Tennessee dismissed the case for failure to state a claim.41

In reaching its conclusion, the district court relied on arguments similar to those made by the district courts in Commercial Cleaning and Mendoza. In fact, the district court used the opinion from Mendoza, which of course was later reversed, to support its holding. The court applied the "direct relation" test and stated that even though the plaintiffs alleged a direct injury, "the conclusion that Tyson's hiring of alleged illegal aliens depressed the plaintiffs' wages would require sheer speculation."42 However, this is the exact argument that the Ninth Circuit in Mendoza stated was improper "it is inappropriate at this stage to substitute speculation for the complaint's allegations of causation."43

An additional factor noted by the district court that is unique to Trollinger is that a union that negotiated a collective bargaining agreement, which set the wage rate, represented the plaintiffs. The court reasoned, "As the wage rates were the product of collective bargaining, plaintiffs cannot demonstrate that those rates were ultimately depressed by the presence of alleged illegal aliens in the work force."44 However, the presence of this collective bargaining agreement will likely be seen as merely another factor which could affect wage rates, rather than the sole factor, and so the plaintiffs will likely be given the opportunity to prove that the agreement itself was affected by the employer's hiring of illegal aliens. It is reasonable to believe that the employer, knowing that it could and would hire illegal aliens at a lower wage rate, offered less to its legal employees during the negotiations surrounding the collective bargaining agreement. Thus, the hiring of illegal aliens would still be a cause of depressed wages.

The Future of RICO & Immigration Law
With the aforementioned decisions, all of which became final in the last two years, the RICO Act has become one of the most important tools in the private enforcement of U.S. immigration law. Pioneered by Mr. Foster and embraced by FILE and others, the use of RICO in the realm of immigration law promises to have broad implications for private entities.

One likely result that would follow if the plaintiffs in the discussed suits succeed on their claims is that the hiring of illegal aliens will be seriously curtailed. The RICO Act sets severe penalties for defendants found guilty of violating its provisions. A successful plaintiff is entitled to treble damages, which means threefold the actual injury suffered, plus costs and reasonable attorney's fees.45 Additionally, the court can order the defendant to divest itself of any interest in any enterprise and to refrain from engaging in any commercial activity or making commercial investment. The court can also order the "dissolution or reorganization of any enterprise."46 In short, the losing defendant in a RICO case can lose his or her business, be forced to provide high levels of compensation to the plaintiff, and even be prohibited from engaging in future business activities.

Once businesses realize just how devastating these RICO penalties can be, they will find it prudent to resist the urge to hire illegal aliens. Thus, the first successful RICO claim against an employer for hiring illegal aliens will likely send a strong signal to corporate America that immigration laws must be respected precisely what Congress intended when it included INA violations in the RICO Act.

Additionally, the RICO provision regarding the unlawful encouragement of illegal immigration could justify a suit against a private entity, such as a bank, that accepts foreign-issued identification cards that are only needed by illegal aliens. One example of this, of course, is the matricula consular issued by the Mexican consulates in the United States. Since both the supporters of the matricula and those who oppose its acceptance agree that only illegal aliens have need to rely on the card, acceptance of the card knowingly encourages illegal immigration.

Some large U.S. financial corporations currently accept the matricula as primary or secondary ID for the purpose of opening bank accounts in the United States for illegal aliens. An illegal alien with a U.S. bank account, in which he or she may deposit illegally acquired funds, and out of which he or she may pay local rent, local utility bills, and send money abroad, is more likely to remain illegally in the United States. In other words, he or she is encouraged to remain illegally in the United States ? such encouragement being a violation of Federal law.

When such a violation is done for the purpose of financial gain, as in the case of the financial corporations engaged in the practice, it is more than simply a violation of immigration law ? it is racketeering. Also, those contemplating entering the United States illegally will be further encouraged to do so because of the added benefits they can obtain once they enter. Thus, it is reasonable to say that acceptance of the matricula is a violation of the INA and a predicate offense under RICO.

With this predicate offense established, a bank that competes with the one accepting the card would only have to plead the other elements of a RICO claim injury and causation ? in order to survive a motion to dismiss and bring the case to trial. The plaintiff bank will likely be able to plead these elements. As mentioned in the discussion of the injury element above, the injury to the plaintiff bank would be lost market share and competitive disadvantage, leaving causation as the only remaining obstacle to receiving compensation for damages.

Under the "direct relation" test, the plaintiff will be able to prove causation. First, the plaintiff bank would be the direct victim of the defendant bank's illegal activity, similar to the direct injury suffered by Commercial Cleaning at the hands of Colin Service Systems. Second, it will not be difficult to ascertain the damages attributable to the unlawful acceptance of the matricula. Regulations issued by the U.S. Treasury Department require banks to record the type of document used by an account applicant. Thus, the defendant would have records indicating how many accounts were issued on the basis of the matricula alone. Calculations, relatively simple for financial professionals, could then be made to determine the level of business the defendant obtained by its unlawful activity and the impact that that unlawfully gained business had on the market. Third, there is no risk of multiple liabilities due to the presence of second-tier plaintiffs. The plaintiff bank, a first-tier plaintiff, will likely be the only plaintiff with standing to sue since it is the only entity injured by the defendant. Though multiple banks may sue the defendant, all of these banks will be first-tier plaintiffs, so this last factor is not of any concern. Thus, banks accepting the matricula face the real possibility of RICO liability.

Beyond illegal hiring and acceptance of foreign-issued identification cards, only time will tell just how much of an impact the inclusion of INA violations in the RICO statute will have on immigration law, corporate practice, and public policy. What is clear is that Howard Foster and others following his lead are blazing a new legal path armed with a powerful tool ? RICO ? that is sure to have a profound effect on the way immigration laws are enforced in this country.

Part of the legislative intent of the RICO laws in general was to afford private citizens a remedy for lawbreaking when authorities normally charged with such enforcement became derelict in their duties. For example, in a town in which political corruption and racketeering activity have combined to the detriment of law-abiding citizens and the rule of law, the RICO Act was intended to provide private citizens the ability to initiate court action to compel enforcement and respect for the law.

The inclusion of INA violations as RICO predicate acts in the 1996 immigration reform act was an attempt by Congress to provide private citizens with recourse in the face of widespread disregard for immigration laws. Now, citizens and businesses are beginning to avail themselves of this powerful new tool, and, if the intent of Congress bears fruit, the results could represent a drastic change in immigration law enforcement in the United States, based on private interest as opposed to government enforcement. By providing a strong incentive for employers and businesses to stop engaging in illegal hiring and the encouragement of illegal immigration for financial gain, there is hope to significantly reduce illegal immigration in the United States simply by working through the U.S. courts.

Endnotes
1 18 U.S.C. ??1961-1968

2 18 U.S.C. ?1961(1)(F)

3 18 U.S.C. ?1962

4 8 U.S.C. ?1324

5 Commercial Cleaning Services v. Colin Service Systems, 271 F.3d 374 (2nd Cir. 2001).

6 Id.

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#420 Consumer Comment

Response to Steph.. unbeknownst to you the Federal goverment requires states to provide material in the language of the specific minority, not only Spanish.

AUTHOR: Aafes - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Sunday, May 14, 2006

I find it necessary to respond to your comments Steph, although they are somewhat ill informed.

You asked "Why don't we have things printed in polish, korean, german and italian as well as spanish? Why because people from korea, poland, germany and italy want to be american and learn english."

In response to this what official government materials you may see printed in only "Spanish" reflect the minority population in your area. Officially, as an example, under the Federal Voting Rights Act - "Whenever any state or political subdivision subject to the prohibition of subsection (b) of this section provides any registration or voting notices, forms, instructions, assistance or other materials or information relating to the electoral process, including ballots, it shall provide them in the language of the applicable minority group, as well as the English language."

Yes, I know undocumented aliens cannot vote. My point is that unbeknownst to you the Federal goverment requires states to provide material in the language of the specific minority, not only Spanish. This does not only apply to voting, in many states drivers license testing material etc. are provided in multiple languages.

"Every other nationality that comes here adapts to living in America, learns English" - If they have learned English so proficiently, why is it necessary they have this material in multiple languages?

You believe I hate the U.S. It only shows you know nothing of me, as would be expected. I live in Europe because I was transferred here in support of the U.S. Army, on official orders, by my employer AAFES. I, along with many proud Americans support our troops directly rather than give lip service from afar. I volunteered to serve my country just after Vietnam. I served 30 years in the U.S. Military and saw combat in Operation Desert Storm. While not a "war" in the sens of Vietnam I served as a medic on the front lines with the U.S. Marine Corps. I was with some of the first units to enter Kuwait and we were under live fire. I have voluntarily deployed with my employer to work serving our troops in Iraq two times in four years. You know nothing about patriotism and service - you cannot even begin to accuse me of hatred of my country.

It is evident you know NOTHING about Europe to make the statements you do. Germany, as an example, has the strictest laws against the n**i party in the world, as you would expect. Even possessing a copy of "Mein Kampf" or displaying a n**i symbol is illegal and results in strict prosecution.

If you don't believe the n**i party is alive and well in America you are sadly ill informed. Racism, neo n**i groups, white supremacists are all have large pockets of support in America.

You also have no understanding of the cost and the obstacles faced by those who do desire to become American citizens - and a large number of the undocumented aliens want exactly that. Witness the amnesty offered several years ago to those that had lived and worked in the states for a long period of time. Immigration offices were swamped with applicants.

None of this is germaine to the purpose of this thread. This thread is primarily to expose the inhumane treatment and violation of basic human rights visited on these workers by their employers. It does not matter if they are here legally or not, this treatment is appalling and the fact that it continues is criminal.

The best solution I have seen was posted by one of your fellow "deport them all" believers: "Charge these employers with a FELONY which includes a minimum 1 year in prison and a $100,000 fine per violation OR charge them under RICO and just close and sieze the business."

The employers are the ones that deserve the punishment, not the workers. If the government were to take this stance you would quickly see the number of undocumented aliens dry up quickly. Without employers willing to hire them, there would be no reason for them to come.

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Why did we expect?

AUTHOR: Steph - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Saturday, May 13, 2006

Every other nationality that comes here adapts to living in America, learns English and wants to become american.

But Mexicans want to ruin the United States.

Why don't we have things printed in polish, korean, german and italian as well as spanish? Why because people from korea, poland, germany and italy want to be american and learn english.

AND THESE ILLEGAL LAW BREAKING NO RESPECT FOR THE US CRIMINALS SHOULD NEVER BE PUT AHEAD OF THE GOOD PEOPLE TRYING TO GET HERE LEGALLY.

We aren't asking these people to get rid of their culture. They can speak spanish and everything in their homes. Just like immigrants from everywhere else did. Many of my friends of those other nationalities speak english as well as the other language.

My family came over here legally from Ireland and Luxemborg in the early part of the 20th century.

Until Mexico opens it's borders they should not expect us to let all these people in.

And aafes I'm glad that since you hate the US so much you live in Europe.

Amazing someone who hates this country so much and is hiding in the most racist continent there is namely Europe where nazism is alive and well again wants to give some back to mexico.

YOu want real racism? Go to Europe where Nazism is alive and well.

Tell Mexico to straighten out their own country instead of expecting us to take their rejects.

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#418 Consumer Comment

Illegal to Legal

AUTHOR: Michael - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Saturday, May 13, 2006

okay you people say that the illegal immigrants do the "dirty work" for america,so lets think about that.stated in the paragraph above is a list of several ways that the illegals help the economy and society.i'm glad that the illegals are here,"helping themselves" by providing for their families and helping with the "dirty jobs".
now here is my suggestion for all of the illegals no matter what country they come from.i feel that "all" immigrants who are seeking u.s. citizenship should have to serve in the u.s. armed forces for a term of four years prior to becoming a citizen.let the immigrants fight for this country,just like our forefathers did!!!!then there would be no people mistreated for being known as an illegal alien,because that term would fail to exist.

thanks for the opp.

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#417 Consumer Comment

Yes, I am in Europe - In reality this was their land and just as the land was taken from native Americans by force the same was done to Mexico.

AUTHOR: Aafes - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Saturday, May 13, 2006

I am in Europe. I work for AAFES in Europe as is evident by my username here. I am no less an American for living in Europe, own two homes in America, vote in every election, pay taxes and am just as concerned about political issues as any American living in the continental U.S.

In response to the statement about these undocumented workers being the enemy and invaders; it would help to be informed before you make statements such as this.

In reality this was their land and just as the land was taken from native Americans by force the same was done to Mexico. After unilaterally annexing Texas in 1845, despite massive protests, the U.S. president sent troops 100 miles into what previously was Mexican land. When the Mexicans retaliated, the U.S. declared war on the pretext that Americans had been attacked on American soil. When it ended, the U.S. took 51% of Mexico's land, including California, where the discovery of gold had been kept secret from Mexican negotiators. At least 100,000 Mexicans and an additional 200,000 indigenous people lived on those lands.

This was no less than imperialism under the guise of "democracy". I find it odd that we now feel justified to react to other countries committing the same act when we have done exactly what we insist they are doing wrong. Witness our response to the communist threat from the former USSR, North Korea, Vietnam, Iraq's invasion of Kuwait and the list goes on. We reacted with unfettered rejection of one sovereign nation unilaterally invading and annexing the territory of another. EXACTLY what the U.S. did in 1845 to Mexico. It doesn't suprise me that you hear movements to take back land that was stolen from them.

I found this statement in Wikipedia in regard to the Texas Revolution, quite interesting:

"By this time, the trickle of illegal immigrants entering Texas had become a flood. Santa Anna believed that the influx of immigrants to Texas was part of a plot by the U.S. to take over the region. In 1834, due to perceived troubles within the Mexican government, Santa Anna went through a process of dissolving state legislatures, disarming state militias, and abolishing the Constitution of 1824. These actions triggered outrage throughout the nation of Mexico. The country then became divided between Centralists, who backed Santa Anna's dictatorship, and Federalists, who wanted the Constitution of 1824 re-instituted. Santa Anna then ordered all illegal immigrants out of Texas.

Seems the Texans, soon to be Americans were the illegals.

However, reclamation of these lands is not a new movement. The movement to reclaim a land taken from the hispanics goes back decades. The movement gains media attention for a while and then dies down, never truly going away, but rather no longer a focus for the media.

The entire history of the United States is a history of illegal migration onto other people's territories. From the 17th to the 19th centuries, the pattern was consistent: ?settlers? moved onto Indian lands, and claimed them as their own; governments either supported them from the outset or justified the invasions post-facto; ethnic cleansing and genocide of the native inhabitants followed, at the hands either of colonists or of state agents. Dozens if not hundreds of treaties with Indian nations were torn up or ignored. The result, combined with the Mexican invasions and seizures was the process of expansion that had completed the occupation of the continental US by the turn of the 20th century. To opponents of ?illegal immigration? today, I would say: remember that every one of you lives on stolen land. And be glad that the modern generation of ?illegal immigrants? is interested only in working, living peacefully, and legalizing their status?not in ethnic cleansing or genocide against you.

The rise in undocumented workers is primarily a result of NAFTA. This treaty allowed something that was heretofore not allowed in Mexico. Foreign agricultural corporations were allowed to establish in Mexico. Effectively putting thousands of small farmers out of business, creating a further impoverished work force with few options but to travel North to find work and support their families.

In my opinion this is nothing more than posturing by the GOP to raise an issue in an election year which they have historically drawn voter support for. What better way than to foster racial hatred and bigotry taking the focus of the voters off of the real issues such as the Iraq war, high gasoline prices, government monitoring of private citizens phone records etc.

Profiling all undocumented workers into categories as criminals is simply ridiculous. The majority of these workers are hard working, honest people who want to do nothing more than support their families. God knows, it isn't like our country is hurting for resources or opportunity, although we don't make wise use of what we have. We waste more food on a daily basis than some countries have to feed their population. Why is it so bad to have these workers here, give a little of what we have when needed and expect their employers to provide them with decent, humane living conditions.

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#416 Consumer Comment

Steph...You hit the nail on the head!

AUTHOR: Steve - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Friday, May 12, 2006

Steph is absolutely right.

There is an active movement by these illegals NOT to assimilate. They have no intention of EVER learning English OR paying taxes. They want to claim this land as thier own. Or reclaim as they put it.

It is an invasion, NOT immigration.

They are here to send money home, and to suck up every government benefit they can get.

I have personally seen several communities in AZ,OK,TX that every sign is in Spanish. I felt like I was in Mexico!

Illegal immigration is no more than an enemy invasion.

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#415 Consumer Comment

Europe, baseball and Mexico and Venezuela

AUTHOR: Steph - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Friday, May 12, 2006

Europe has their own problems. Muslims are damaging it the same way Mexicans are damaging the US. A once beautiful continent is being overrun over there.

One of the more ridiculous things I've heard some places is about hispanic baseball players.

A. They are here on work visas. I used to work for the Tribune Co. who owns the Cubs. All the players who are from roreign countries have to go through paperwork.

B. Ironically they are doing jobs Americans would love to have but aren't as good at.

C. Most of the hispanic players in baseball are not Mexicans. The Cubs for example are all either Dominican or Venezuelan (those who are hispanic)

Mexico has a closed door policy. There are millions trying to escape Hitler's clone Hugo Chavez in Venezuela. You know it's bad there if Mexico is better. But Mesico won't let them in.

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#414 Consumer Comment

Europe, baseball and Mexico and Venezuela

AUTHOR: Steph - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Friday, May 12, 2006

Europe has their own problems. Muslims are damaging it the same way Mexicans are damaging the US. A once beautiful continent is being overrun over there.

One of the more ridiculous things I've heard some places is about hispanic baseball players.

A. They are here on work visas. I used to work for the Tribune Co. who owns the Cubs. All the players who are from roreign countries have to go through paperwork.

B. Ironically they are doing jobs Americans would love to have but aren't as good at.

C. Most of the hispanic players in baseball are not Mexicans. The Cubs for example are all either Dominican or Venezuelan (those who are hispanic)

Mexico has a closed door policy. There are millions trying to escape Hitler's clone Hugo Chavez in Venezuela. You know it's bad there if Mexico is better. But Mesico won't let them in.

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#413 Consumer Comment

Europe, baseball and Mexico and Venezuela

AUTHOR: Steph - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Friday, May 12, 2006

Europe has their own problems. Muslims are damaging it the same way Mexicans are damaging the US. A once beautiful continent is being overrun over there.

One of the more ridiculous things I've heard some places is about hispanic baseball players.

A. They are here on work visas. I used to work for the Tribune Co. who owns the Cubs. All the players who are from roreign countries have to go through paperwork.

B. Ironically they are doing jobs Americans would love to have but aren't as good at.

C. Most of the hispanic players in baseball are not Mexicans. The Cubs for example are all either Dominican or Venezuelan (those who are hispanic)

Mexico has a closed door policy. There are millions trying to escape Hitler's clone Hugo Chavez in Venezuela. You know it's bad there if Mexico is better. But Mesico won't let them in.

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Europe, baseball and Mexico and Venezuela

AUTHOR: Steph - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Friday, May 12, 2006

Europe has their own problems. Muslims are damaging it the same way Mexicans are damaging the US. A once beautiful continent is being overrun over there.

One of the more ridiculous things I've heard some places is about hispanic baseball players.

A. They are here on work visas. I used to work for the Tribune Co. who owns the Cubs. All the players who are from roreign countries have to go through paperwork.

B. Ironically they are doing jobs Americans would love to have but aren't as good at.

C. Most of the hispanic players in baseball are not Mexicans. The Cubs for example are all either Dominican or Venezuelan (those who are hispanic)

Mexico has a closed door policy. There are millions trying to escape Hitler's clone Hugo Chavez in Venezuela. You know it's bad there if Mexico is better. But Mesico won't let them in.

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New crime by these crooks

AUTHOR: Steph - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Friday, May 12, 2006

First every illegal in this country is a criminal.

Secondly they do not want to become American. They want us to be Mexico. They don't want to learn English. They don't want to follow our laws. Every other immigrant group came here to be American.

This is the truth of their so called paying taxes. They steal SSNs and work under them and claim enough exemptions so no taxes come out. They collect and cash the checks every week. The actual holder of the SSN gets a surprise from the IRS because the IRS gets a report that says they earned the money and BINGO owe tax on it. This happened to me. Luckily the subhuman useless piece of filth who did this did this work in California while I lived in Illinois.

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#410 Consumer Comment

Aafes...The answers you wanted..

AUTHOR: Steve - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Friday, May 12, 2006

Aafes,

Yes, I am against the employers who hire the illegals, even more than the illegals breaking our laws.

We don't need fences or more INS agents. All we need to do is 2 things.

1). Charge these employers with a FELONY which includes a minimum 1 year in prison and a $100,000 fine per violation OR charge them under RICO and just close and sieze the business.

2). Take away all services to illegals. Must show legal citizenship to get ANY gov't assistance or use any public facility such as a school, library, etc.

AND....FYI..Labor cost is only a small part of the total cost of goods and services.

Higher labor cost causing prices to go up is just big business propaganda. Prices go up due to greed and mismanagement and a predetermined need for a certain profit margin.

And...Aafes...You claim to be in Europe...but speak as though you are in the U.S....?????

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#409 Consumer Comment

You can find a study that says anything

AUTHOR: Aafes - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Friday, May 12, 2006

You can find a study that says anything you are looking for. Yes, the increase in produce prices may be minimal for produce grown in the U.S., in the best scenario. The more likely scenario is farms going completely out of business.

"A crackdown in illegal immigration in 2004 caused a shortage of workers needed to bring in the lettuce crop in the Western United States, said Powell, which he said caused a $1 billion loss for the industry as many growers had to leave their fields unharvested.

"To hire Americans to do it, they would have had to raise wages so far, it wouldn't have been worth it for them," said Powell at the Independent Institute. "It caused less of a loss to leave the crop to rot."

When the farms go out of business two things occur. Demand exceeds supply, farmers now realize not only are they paying more for labor costs but now the market will bear a higher price. The produce processors as a result pay a higher price for produce, the resulting wholesale cost to grocers and restaurants is higher - the resulting consumer cost will be higher.

To combat the high prices and meet demand more produce will have to be imported from outside the U.S. This will have a negative effect on the labor market - i.e. less need to higher legal immigrants or citizens who are farm workers, funds for the purchase leaving our economy and going to other countries.

Say and believe what you wish about illegal immigrants but they contribute to our economy - be it keeping prices low to spending their money in retail businesses in our country.

And it is not only the cost or loss of cheap labor for the produce industry. These workers also work in the housing industry, service industries and touris industry. Loss of the workers would have a direct impact on these industries, increasing prices and directly contributing to inflation in our economy.

We have enough trouble with our economy. We deal with rapidly rising record deficits. Yet if we were to deport all of them as you contend should be done:

"A new study by a liberal Washington think tank puts the cost of forcibly removing most of the nation's estimated 10 million illegal immigrants at $41 billion a year, a sum that exceeds the annual budget of the Department of Homeland Security.

The study, "Deporting the Undocumented: A Cost Assessment," scheduled for release today by the Center for American Progress, is billed by its authors as the first-ever estimate of costs associated with arresting, detaining, prosecuting and removing immigrants who have entered the United States illegally or overstayed their visas. The total cost would be $206 billion to $230 billion over five years, depending on how many of the immigrants leave voluntarily, according to the study."

Where do you suppose we will get the money to pay for this....oh wait, the government will have to raise taxes and cut funding to the services it provides legal citizens.

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#408 Consumer Comment

Studies have been done that show how much it will cost us to have LEGAL people working the fields

AUTHOR: Robert - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Thursday, May 11, 2006

It will cost the average household in this country a whole huge, whopping, enormous, painful, DOLLAR per month. The average family of 4 spends about $7/month on produce. It will end up costing $8. Yippeedoo!

Saying you spend more than that is meaningless. It's like the clowns who claim a seatbelt would have killed them in that last wreck. Averages are used for a reason. Some buy more, some buy less.

Here's a thought. A little more than 145 years ago, some people thought the world would end if farm workers got paid at all. It didn't then, and it won't now.

Throw out the ILLEGALS, and enforce our laws.

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#407 Consumer Comment

What about the laws these employers are breaking

AUTHOR: Aafes - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Wednesday, May 10, 2006

Steve, what about the laws these employers are breaking - from employing illegals, not collecting or paying taxes on their wages, no workers' compensation not to mention HUMAN RIGHTS VIOLATIONS. Why aren't you on your soap box about these criminals? They are citizens, know the law, intentionally ignore it in the interest of their pockets yet they walk free.

You know, if you got enough people like you to push hard enough and have all these employers charged, prosecuted and fined very heavily or punished by jail time don't you suppose they would stop offering jobs to illegals. Oh, then guess what, no jobs, no reason to illegally immigrate here. The employers are the demand, the workers the supply, simple economics.

You stated: "Our country is built entirely of immigrants that came here LEGALLY."

I speak with absolute certainty that the true native Americans that were residing in this country would dispute this with you at length. The Europeans were not invited to America, certainly weren't welcome, and with no qualms whatsoever slaughtered the native people and stole their land and established colonies - THAT is the root of our country - somehow I believe that it was ILLEGAL for them to immigrate here.

"However, these ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS are CRIMINALS"

Yes, they are in violation of the law. It is not a crime of violence, but a crime of need. Not one of us can say we have never violated the law in some form or fashion. Taking office supplies from work, even a simle pen; rolling through a stop sign; Verbally assaulting someone when we were angry; falsifying documents to get a job or loan even if by simply "leaving out little details that were asked"......I could go on and on. By your reasoning, we are all criminals.

"These illegals HAVE NO RIGHTS!"

First of all, everyone has human rights, in the case of the subject of this thread those are what are being blatantly violated.

From the U.N.International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights - Signed and ratified by the U.S. Government.

Article 26
All persons are equal before the law and are entitled without any discrimination to the equal protection of the law. In this respect, the law shall prohibit any discrimination and guarantee to all persons equal and effective protection against discrimination on any ground such as race, colour, sex, language, religion, political or other opinion, national or social origin, property, birth or other status.

Additionally almost every Supreme Court Decision regarding undocumented aliens references this:

The Fourteenth Amendment provides,
[N]or shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

Each opinion explains that undocumented aliens within a state are within its jurisdiction, therefore they are extended these rights.

It seems that The Supreme Court disagrees with you.

"EVERYONE coming to this country to live and/or work, MUST learn the English language."

Yes, this is a requirement of citizenship, to be proficient in the English language. However, English is NOT the official language of the U.S.
There is no official language.

It seems that there is a chance you may find yourself having to learn Spanish. If you are among those who push for an official language, and this ever becomes a hotly charged political issue you may find yourself suprised.

Hispanics accounted for half the 2.9 million U.S. population growth from 2003 to 2004 and now constitute one-seventh of all people in the United States. The Hispanic growth rate for the 12 months starting July 2003 was 3.6 percent compared with the overall population growth of 1 percent.

So, if this ever becomes an issue with the voters, and the Hispanic population growth continues, you could very easily find "Spanish" as the national language.

But not to worry, when they are all deported as you and others would like to see happen, enjoy buying lettuce at the supermarket for $8.00 a head.

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#406 Consumer Comment

What about the laws these employers are breaking

AUTHOR: Aafes - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Wednesday, May 10, 2006

Steve, what about the laws these employers are breaking - from employing illegals, not collecting or paying taxes on their wages, no workers' compensation not to mention HUMAN RIGHTS VIOLATIONS. Why aren't you on your soap box about these criminals? They are citizens, know the law, intentionally ignore it in the interest of their pockets yet they walk free.

You know, if you got enough people like you to push hard enough and have all these employers charged, prosecuted and fined very heavily or punished by jail time don't you suppose they would stop offering jobs to illegals. Oh, then guess what, no jobs, no reason to illegally immigrate here. The employers are the demand, the workers the supply, simple economics.

You stated: "Our country is built entirely of immigrants that came here LEGALLY."

I speak with absolute certainty that the true native Americans that were residing in this country would dispute this with you at length. The Europeans were not invited to America, certainly weren't welcome, and with no qualms whatsoever slaughtered the native people and stole their land and established colonies - THAT is the root of our country - somehow I believe that it was ILLEGAL for them to immigrate here.

"However, these ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS are CRIMINALS"

Yes, they are in violation of the law. It is not a crime of violence, but a crime of need. Not one of us can say we have never violated the law in some form or fashion. Taking office supplies from work, even a simle pen; rolling through a stop sign; Verbally assaulting someone when we were angry; falsifying documents to get a job or loan even if by simply "leaving out little details that were asked"......I could go on and on. By your reasoning, we are all criminals.

"These illegals HAVE NO RIGHTS!"

First of all, everyone has human rights, in the case of the subject of this thread those are what are being blatantly violated.

From the U.N.International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights - Signed and ratified by the U.S. Government.

Article 26
All persons are equal before the law and are entitled without any discrimination to the equal protection of the law. In this respect, the law shall prohibit any discrimination and guarantee to all persons equal and effective protection against discrimination on any ground such as race, colour, sex, language, religion, political or other opinion, national or social origin, property, birth or other status.

Additionally almost every Supreme Court Decision regarding undocumented aliens references this:

The Fourteenth Amendment provides,
[N]or shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

Each opinion explains that undocumented aliens within a state are within its jurisdiction, therefore they are extended these rights.

It seems that The Supreme Court disagrees with you.

"EVERYONE coming to this country to live and/or work, MUST learn the English language."

Yes, this is a requirement of citizenship, to be proficient in the English language. However, English is NOT the official language of the U.S.
There is no official language.

It seems that there is a chance you may find yourself having to learn Spanish. If you are among those who push for an official language, and this ever becomes a hotly charged political issue you may find yourself suprised.

Hispanics accounted for half the 2.9 million U.S. population growth from 2003 to 2004 and now constitute one-seventh of all people in the United States. The Hispanic growth rate for the 12 months starting July 2003 was 3.6 percent compared with the overall population growth of 1 percent.

So, if this ever becomes an issue with the voters, and the Hispanic population growth continues, you could very easily find "Spanish" as the national language.

But not to worry, when they are all deported as you and others would like to see happen, enjoy buying lettuce at the supermarket for $8.00 a head.

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#405 Consumer Comment

What about the laws these employers are breaking

AUTHOR: Aafes - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Wednesday, May 10, 2006

Steve, what about the laws these employers are breaking - from employing illegals, not collecting or paying taxes on their wages, no workers' compensation not to mention HUMAN RIGHTS VIOLATIONS. Why aren't you on your soap box about these criminals? They are citizens, know the law, intentionally ignore it in the interest of their pockets yet they walk free.

You know, if you got enough people like you to push hard enough and have all these employers charged, prosecuted and fined very heavily or punished by jail time don't you suppose they would stop offering jobs to illegals. Oh, then guess what, no jobs, no reason to illegally immigrate here. The employers are the demand, the workers the supply, simple economics.

You stated: "Our country is built entirely of immigrants that came here LEGALLY."

I speak with absolute certainty that the true native Americans that were residing in this country would dispute this with you at length. The Europeans were not invited to America, certainly weren't welcome, and with no qualms whatsoever slaughtered the native people and stole their land and established colonies - THAT is the root of our country - somehow I believe that it was ILLEGAL for them to immigrate here.

"However, these ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS are CRIMINALS"

Yes, they are in violation of the law. It is not a crime of violence, but a crime of need. Not one of us can say we have never violated the law in some form or fashion. Taking office supplies from work, even a simle pen; rolling through a stop sign; Verbally assaulting someone when we were angry; falsifying documents to get a job or loan even if by simply "leaving out little details that were asked"......I could go on and on. By your reasoning, we are all criminals.

"These illegals HAVE NO RIGHTS!"

First of all, everyone has human rights, in the case of the subject of this thread those are what are being blatantly violated.

From the U.N.International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights - Signed and ratified by the U.S. Government.

Article 26
All persons are equal before the law and are entitled without any discrimination to the equal protection of the law. In this respect, the law shall prohibit any discrimination and guarantee to all persons equal and effective protection against discrimination on any ground such as race, colour, sex, language, religion, political or other opinion, national or social origin, property, birth or other status.

Additionally almost every Supreme Court Decision regarding undocumented aliens references this:

The Fourteenth Amendment provides,
[N]or shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

Each opinion explains that undocumented aliens within a state are within its jurisdiction, therefore they are extended these rights.

It seems that The Supreme Court disagrees with you.

"EVERYONE coming to this country to live and/or work, MUST learn the English language."

Yes, this is a requirement of citizenship, to be proficient in the English language. However, English is NOT the official language of the U.S.
There is no official language.

It seems that there is a chance you may find yourself having to learn Spanish. If you are among those who push for an official language, and this ever becomes a hotly charged political issue you may find yourself suprised.

Hispanics accounted for half the 2.9 million U.S. population growth from 2003 to 2004 and now constitute one-seventh of all people in the United States. The Hispanic growth rate for the 12 months starting July 2003 was 3.6 percent compared with the overall population growth of 1 percent.

So, if this ever becomes an issue with the voters, and the Hispanic population growth continues, you could very easily find "Spanish" as the national language.

But not to worry, when they are all deported as you and others would like to see happen, enjoy buying lettuce at the supermarket for $8.00 a head.

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#404 Consumer Suggestion

Aafes...STILL missing the point..ILLEGAL is the key word here.

AUTHOR: Steve - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Wednesday, May 10, 2006

I suggest people look at the principal issue here. EVERYTHING else is secondary, and IRRELEVANT! [ LEGAL vs. ILLEGAL ].

I have NO PROBLEM with LEGAL IMMIGRATION. Our country is built entirely of immigrants that came here LEGALLY.

I have NO PROBLEM with Mexicans. Mexicans do have a good work ethic and usually better family values than many blacks or whites.

However, these ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS are CRIMINALS. That is the ONLY issue here. They have total disregard for our laws, and REFUSE to learn English. I should not have to learn another language to accomodate anyone that wants to come to the country I defended to live and work.

You see, I EARNED my opinion. I fought for this country AND for the RIGHT to preserve our FREEDOMS and our HERITAGE. The RIGHT to keep ENGLISH as the primary language.

Someone who comes here illegally slaps the faces of those immigrants who came here LEGALLY.

These illegals HAVE NO RIGHTS! How can you enter a country illegally, then sit back and demand things? This blows my mind!

If these ILLEGALS don't like the working conditions and living conditions they have, they are FREE to leave!

Why don't they file a labor claim? Why don't they file a discrimination claim?

IT is because they are ILLEGAL and DO NOT have the right to complain. That comes with LEGAL CITIZENSHIP!

EVERYONE coming to this country to live and/or work, MUST learn the English language.

Learn it or leave.

That IS a requirement of law to LEGALLY immigrate to the U.S.

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#403 Consumer Comment

This is America - appalled by the ignorance and bigotry displayed by many posters

AUTHOR: Aafes - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Monday, May 08, 2006

A land of opportunity, liberty and freedom. We should be flattered that so many from throughout the world wish to come to our country for a chance at a better life. After all, with few exceptions almost every American has his/her origins in an immigrant - all who came here for a better life. In many instances these immigrants suffered bigotry, poverty, hatred and were shunned by those who considered themselves "real Americans". After almost 230 years have we learned NOTHING???

I spent a very long time reading the posts here, and was appalled by the ignorance and bigotry displayed by many posters.

The majority of illegal immigrants live in abject poverty. The majority come here to work, earn what is to them a decent wage and sacrifice personal needs and necessities to support their families. Those who come or later bring their families generally have a better tradition and understanding of the nuclear family than most Americans have at this point in our history.

I lived and worked for many years in the Southwest only a few miles from the border. During a time when unemployment was at record highs it was not the least uncommon to see long lines at the unemployment office daily - huge suprise almost exclusively caucasion. Living close to the border most employers are much more cognizant about not hiring illegals as enforcement is more focused in those areas. Yet, have the unemployment office send a "real American" to a farmer to harvest lettuce, pick oranges etc. and almost without fail they did not last the day.

These immigrant workers, on the other hand, often work 12 hour plus days in searing heat, with no proper "facilities" and are often paid based on the amount of produce they pick. Yes, their labor is cheaper - but few "Americans" will even attempt to do it long term. This cheap labor is the reason you and I pay reasonable prices for produce in our country.

The living conditions are in almost all cases horrendous - witness by the photos posted earlier in this thread. These workers do not choose to live in this manner often they live in these conditions under the fear of an employer who threatens them with INS authorities, which they live in dire fear of.

Yes, some immigrants receive welfare - so what. There are as many if not more cases of welfare fraud committed by American citizens as well - shall we deport all of them too.

I do not believe we should simply "open" the borders. It may however suprise some of you to know that there are several large stretches of the border in remote areas that have NO fence whatsoever. I do agree with the proposed guest wroker program that is being considered.

My concern about the borders is much more attuned to terrorists than immigrant workers. If there is any increased focus it should be in that area.

Two quotes this subject brings to mind:

"Driven from every other corner of the earth, freedom of thought and the right of private judgment in matters of conscience, direct their course to this happy country as their last asylum." - Sam Adams in Philadelphia, August 1, 1776.

And one of my favorites:

"All the problems we face in the United States today can be traced to an unenlightened immigration policy on the part of the American Indian" - Pat Paulsen, comedian

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#402 Consumer Suggestion

If the Mexicans want to stay, they need to pay...

AUTHOR: John - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Tuesday, May 02, 2006

I don't care if the Mexicans are here, just as long as they pay taxes like everyone else, don't commit crime, and don't live off of the taxpayers. If they want to have 5 kids every 3 years, fine. I just don't think we should have to pay for that. They also need to work on getting their citizenship. If they are unwilling to do that, I think the solution is to send them back on a bananna boat and brand them like cattle so they can be spotted at the immigration checkpoints.

This problem of Mexicans living off of the system is really getting out of hand. They come over illegally and then make a bunch of kids that they can't support. I am so sick and tired of suuporting some one's else's kids through my tax dollars. It is really outrageous now. Some of these women just keep making babies and because the child is born in the United States, the child gets to immigrate right away and be eligible for Welfare and certain Social Security benefits. In Illinois, the Mexican families know that they will get about $450.00 a month for each child until the kid turns 18. So they just continue to have unprotected sex, with each mexican woman producing about 5 kids each. Then, they are able to draw about $2250.00 a month, living off of the government for the next 18 years. I am so sick of this $hit!! These Mexican women producing all these babies just keep making them and drawing more and more cash out of the government, raising the tax.

In addition, when they see someone driving a nice car, they know that person has good insurance. On several occasions, they have driven right in front of me with their stationwagons full of kids and slammed on the breaks. They do this so they can all get paid for supposed injuries that never happened. Then, when the cops show up, they speak in Mexican to them so they can't understand or fill out a report. Then, they call your insurance company trying to commit insurance fraud. Its such crap.

I live in a nice neighborhood with a lake, and all they are constantly on private property having Mexican parties. In one of their most recent parties, they ruined the newly planted grass at the lake,sprayed graffetti on the park benches, left colt 45 and corona beer cans and bottles everywhere, and saw two of them having sex in plain view. They both looked like they hadn't showered in a month, it was totally disgusting!!

You can't even go to a grocery store now to buy fresh fruit and vegetables. In my latest visit, I saw this mexican women eating the strawberries right from a package. She ate half of them and then put the rest back on the shelf!! That is so nasty....

Besides, they smell bad too. In this town, they smell really bad. I don't even want them around my car - they already pryed one hub cap away from it. I am so sick of this $hit, I wish they would just leave after all.............

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#401 Consumer Comment

I apologize ED, if I misread ..This is NOT a race issue. It is a LAW issue.

AUTHOR: Robert - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Monday, May 01, 2006

"EDitor's Comment to the above racist..."

That was your headline ED. That came immediately after my posting.

Now, tell me how I misread it?

Wanting ALL immigrants in this country to come here LEGALLY is not racist. It's called making them ALL obey the law. This is supposed to be a nation of laws. What the ILLEGALS are doing is an actual invasion. They call themselves reconquistadors(reconquerors), and have vowed to take back Ca, Tx, NM, Az, and Co.

Immigrant is a legal name for someone who came here LEGALLY. Invader is the proper name for someone who doesn't.

And it is FACT, that Mexican Law requires arrest and prosecution of anyone in their country ILLEGALLY. They consider it a felony, with a jail sentence of up to two years. After that, they throw you out of the country. Mexico has a problem with it's own Southern border.

I love the work ethic the Hispanics have. In many cases, it is far superior to that of Blacks and Whites. This is NOT a race issue. It is a LAW issue.

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#400 Consumer Comment

Ed, you're missing a few points - - *EDitor's comment ..With all due respect youre looking at this thru rose colored glasses

AUTHOR: www.ripoffreport.com - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Sunday, April 30, 2006

Ed,

I love your site. However, there are a few points you are forgetting.

I'm 2nd generation, the son of an immigrant to the US. However, my family entered the US after learning English, taking (and passing) required medical testing, and taking an oath. This was a very important day in my family. Now, contrast the pride of coming here as a citizen and "breaking in".

I noticed out of all the pictures you posted, that none of them showed the trail of garbage, soiled clothes, empty gallons of water bottles, "sewage", debris, wrappers etc that people who break in leave behind. Not to mention, crime DOES happen by people who are desperate - however, the victim has the unfortunate position of living close to the border. If that was YOUR land, would you be so quick to say that there is no negative effect?

Ed said:
Illegal workers come here primarily because these US citizens offer work which targets illegal workers. I guarantee that the problem would be solved if no one had work for illegals, but that is impractical also.

Well, that sounds like a fine reason why, if we "need" extra work done, we can increase the LEGAL immigration numbers. However, when you have people coming over "at their own will, whenever they feel like it", then you will see the value of high paying jobs go to someone who is willing to work for half.

You wrote a great book, Ed. What happens when some author wants to write the same book sitting next to you on the Barnes and Noble bookshelf selling at 1/2 the price because he was willing to write it for $200.00 cash? Now apply that to EVERY industry, where you have a new class of people (that don't even legally belong!) who are willing to do the work for HALF of what ANY citizen would expect to get paid?

This goes into your next point directly:

Ed said:
..that American kids and the young adults to the age of 35 or so, in general are not interested (for the most part) in coming to work all the time.

Now, while I find that as a terrible generalization, (and quite possibly on equal level of racism as has been attributed to people here), I must object. I am within that age, have absolutely NO silver spoon in my mouth, have worked since I was 13, and I do NOT believe that is a fair assessment of my peers.

Ed, I just can't believe that you'd use the opinion of a fast food manager to compliment the opinion you have otherwise formed, especially based on "American Kids" in general.

I'm an American "kid", and I'd happily pick strawberries for 25 bucks an hour, with benefits and a pension. That of course will never happen because THAT job will NEVER IMPROVE, because of all the illegals willing to lowball the American citizens. You are right about illegals wanting to feed their family. I would also like to feed mine - and since I am a LEGAL immigrant, I think the country my father picked and pledged allegiance to should have priority over those who break in.

Illegals (of any race) have also introduced TB back into the southwest at an unprecidented rate. If you think that is a good idea for a fast food restaurant, I'd be happy to take Sonic off my list, knowing that they hire illegals to work over my food.

Ed said:
There are way more white Americans driving around with out insurance than there are Mexicans. And more than likely there are Americans driving with out insurance than there are illegal Mexicans.. that would be more than 11 million.

Right, but the difference is that we can't just disappear to another country "out of jurisdiction" at our whim. I can't go back to where I came from as a citizen and hide in poverty. They can. And they DO.

What would EVER cause an illegal to purchase auto insurance, Ed? What reason would they EVER have to get insurance? That's 11 million people who screw the economy, the insurance industry, and break the law, even after breaking the law to even reside here.

The obvious answer to the debate on weather or not we need illegals should be answered by adjusting the amount of LEGAL immigrants we allow each year to compensate for the jobs we can fill. Blaming white kids and long-term residents is a terrible stereotype.

Otherwise, you make the process that my father proudly went through worthless. Why bother pledging to follow the laws, have pride, take an oath, register as an American? All he would have needed was a boat, and a bunch of sympathizers.

Don't take the pride out of becoming an American, Ed. We can do better than this.

Nick - Hollywood, California
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EDitor's Response

With all due respect youre looking at this thru rose colored glasses

Congratulations for finding the dream we all hold so dear. Your response was very comprehensive, but failed to include some very important points. You failed to identify whether or not your parents came to the US legally. You also did not mention which country they came from. Therefore, until you provide more information, I will have to assume that your argument is a non-sequitar.

If they came from Mexico and came legally, that means they had some political influence and does not directly respond to the issues that were raised. It was already pointed out that the Mexican government requires their citizens to own land in order to request a visa.

You and I are approaching this issue for two different levels. I am describing the situation as it is and how we can resolve the problems. You are idealizing the situation, describing the way things CAN be and then hope things will get better.

I am sure you would be glad to pick strawberries or cabbage for $25 and hour, but practically speaking.... would you be willing to pay $10 a quart for strawberries? None of us would and the "gastarbeiter" solution makes the best sense for our economic situation, as proposed by the McCain Kennedy Bill.

I appreciate you concern but the problems you surface associated with the illegal immigrant situation are mostly created by those land owners you feel are offended. If those land owners were to provide proper sanitaiton and lodging, then there would likely not be as many of the problems you mention. These land owners are the ones who are hiring (and making a huge profit off of) the very people you fell are the problem. That just makes no sense.

There can be no pride in being American unless were are GOOD.

ED Magedson - Founder

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#399 Consumer Comment

I stopped reading when you called me a racist - *EDitor's Comment ..The fallacious argument you employed is called a "red herring."

AUTHOR: Robert - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Sunday, April 30, 2006

Why stop there? Call me Hitler. That's the usual next step.

In case you missed it ED, it was the Democrats that wanted to continue slavery. A Republican freed them. It was the Democrats that fought against the Civil Rights Acts of 1964. It was the Republicans who passed it. It has always been the Democrats who have impeded the progress of minorities in this country, and the Republicans who have fought the good fight to get them what they have.

Get your facts straight, and stop with the "racist" crap. That dog don't hunt.

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#398 Author of original report

EDitor's Comment to the above racist - Americans simply are not motivated to work like illegal immigrants. They work for the survival of their families and love America for the opportunities that do not exist in their country.

AUTHOR: Rip-off Report - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Sunday, April 30, 2006

by ED Magedson - Founder
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Vincente Fox, and the other 2% European elitist exploiters of the masses, are on the same side as anyone who would punish these people for doing what anyone of us would do if we were pushed into a corner and saw no other options.

These Rabid Republicans, like J.D. Hayworth, who, with his thick neck and no brain policies, not-so-cleverly disguise a national security policy that is nothing more than a behind-the-back handshake with Fox to oppress the Mexican masses. For instance, Hayworth espouses a policy of "Enforcement First," but has no interest in marginalizing voters by throwing them in jail for hiring illegal employees.

Hayworth has major construction firms that build houses at record-breaking prices on the backs of illegal employees. I will bet this guy would readily take a rebate if the Arizona legislature demanded it, but Hayworth would not support it (despite the fact that he is not in the AZ legislature) but because he gets support from these builders [So much for campaign finance reform.]

What this shows is the intellectual dishonesty of Hayworth and those of his ilk. Illegal workers come here primarily because these US citizens offer work which targets illegal workers. I guarantee that the problem would be solved if no one had work for illegals, but that is impractical also.

One might say that there are a whole heap of criminals that come over the borders to commit crime here. I would agree, but those people are either those who support the illegal trade of human beings, like the "coyotes" or they are part of the institutionalized criminal force, which are the Mexican apparatchiks of Fox, et al. Read the paper, we are also being invaded by the Mexican Army which operates security for the drug trade into the US.

Since this simple fellow above doesn't understand the scope of the problem, I will illucidate him and the J.D. Hayworth ilk. I would include Jon Kyle, who proposes that we send them all back and have them apply properly. All these simpletons fail to think globally and instead view the world from their typical myopic position.

Do you know the process and the requirements for applying for a visa to the US? Let's make it easier and ask about Mexico only. These elected officials should have understood the position better by now. [If they were contractors for the government, hired to troubleshoot and resolve these problems, they would have been terminated long ago.]

Let me tell you what Congress should have already researched and told the US public long ago. In order to get a visa to come to the US, Mexicans have to have a passport and you have to own land to secure your return. The problem is that this is the number one reason why illegals come here in the first place. Unlike the US, one cannot make payments over time to purchase real property. One way to purchase - - - cash on the barrellhead. Payment in Full. This is the Catch 22 that Mexican citizens face and it was designed to secure the wealth of a very few.

I agree that we should close the borders. It will send a message to the people and in the face of such a hopeless situation there will necessarily be another Mexican Revolution and I, for one, would not blame them a bit.

If this were the 50's, 60's, or 70's.. all you people complaining about illegals today would be the same people complaining about BLACKS, (African - Americans) years ago. Undoubtedly, you are the same type that employs derogatory epithets to dehumanize these people, much like you did with the Blacks. You all have the same racist mentality. Remember, our government let them come here! They are part of our economy!

Just because one Hispanic did not have insurance, (more than likely not even Mexican as you claim, there is a huge exodus from Central America because of policies similar to Mexico discussed previously. ) they should all be shipped back to Mexico? There are way more white Americans driving around with out insurance than there are Mexicans. And more than likely there are Americans driving with out insurance than there are illegal Mexicans.. that would be more than 11 million.

Anyone caught driving without insurance should go to jail no matter who they are and pay stiff fines. Here again, is another industry that has grown out of the illegal immigrant situation. Insurance companies and agencies in Arizona sell "Quote Cards." Law enforcement have not yet caught on and when stopped by a cop, they produce these cards and it looks like they have a policy, but all it really means is that the person paid for a quote. In some cases, these people were actually tricked into believing they were truly purchasing insurance.

All the money (court fines) paid should go into a fund to pay people that get hit by anyone with out insurance, even if they are a racist like those complaining on this site and those morons you see on TV yelling at the Hispanic Protesters.

Our research shows that the "redneck" population is just as likely to be in possession of one of these "Quote Cards" meant to fool the police; but our corrupt system of government will just allow disreputable companies to take the money, and in fact confiscate some themselves . You know, like all the court fines citizens pay to the courts.

LAZY AMERICANS DO NOT AND WILL NOT DO THEIR WORK SEX DRUGS & ROCKIN ROLL IS MORE IMPORTANT, NOT NECESSARILY IN THAT ORDER Americans simply are not motivated to work like illegal immigrants. They work for the survival of their families and love America for the opportunities that do not exist in their country.

I know for a fact that illegals (from my personal experience, I have personally interviewed Mexicans and Guatemalans) are not being paid much less or the same in many cases. That is correct. The one who is saving the money and ripping off our system and Americans is many of these builders and farm owners and other BIG American businesses.

But.. What lazy Americans want to do the work the Hispanics are doing anyway?..and after interviewing many businesses here in Arizona and from my own personal experience over the years, your average American, white, legal Americanized Spanish, Irish, Jewish, Italiano's Germans are not as reliable and as hard working when it comes to many jobs. Why? ..they are spoiled, and are very unreliable. Just ask any restaurant owner or business that you know uses Hispanics for much of their labor..

Last week, I went to a Sonic drive-thru and they got my order wrong, again. The person who was at the window taking the orders spoke span-English and I could hardly understand them. Yes, this pisses me off I then went inside and the area supervisor was there. Now, most of you out there would not expect me to ask this question but I stated to this guy.. that I am an advocate for Mexicans and support them working and staying here in the USA.. but, I have to ask, ..why is it you cannot higher perfectly speaking Americans to work at this place?! Maybe you would not get the orders wrong so many times! He stated like other businesses have and I concur, ..that American kids and the young adults to the age of 35 or so, in general are not interested (for the most part) in coming to work all the time.

This area supervisor said that he always gets excuses as to why they don't show up, and more importantly they are not as hard working as illegal immigrants!.. I then said, well, you pay them much less don't you? ..he said NO! I pay them the same, the going rate for these jobs are around $7.00 an hour to start.. He was emphatic that, the American workers have too many problems, they are on their cell phones during the work day, text messaging, and just don't do the work as well as the Hispanics. He further stated, "I can always count on them [the illegals] coming to work.." But, this EDitor, the founder of this website already knew all this. I taped our conversation and will include those sound bites here shortly, so you can here this conversation for yourself.

I told him I could not disagree with him, only that he needed to put someone taking the orders at the drive thru needed to speak perfect English, someone that can understand those special orders.

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#397 Consumer Comment

This makes no sense at all

AUTHOR: Robert - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Wednesday, April 26, 2006

"Rip-off Report would like to expose this owner, but, if we did, these hard working people would more than likely be deported."

GOOD! They are here ILLEGALLY! They are an affront to the millions upon millions who came here LEGALLY!

"I believe all illegals should be registered (I dont care as what)"

How about as CRIMINALS, since they are here ILLEGALLY! You do understand that if you go to Mexico ILLEGALLY, you will be imprisoned immediately upon being discovered don't you? It is a felony there, and they don't play games.

"No citizenship till they can speak English.."

They don't want to be Americans. Didn't you notice the protests? They were waving Mexican flags. This is an invasion, nothing else. They even say outright they are "taking back their land".

"All illegal aliens should be able to stay. BUT, we need to properly guard our boarders."

HUH?! This makes less sense than anything else. You admit they are here ILLEGALLY, and by doing so, are CRIMINALS. You say they should be able to stay here ILLEGALLY, but then turn around and say we should guard the border. Why? If it's okay for them to pour across it, why bother guarding it? The whole point of guarding a border is to stop the ILLEGAL practice of crossing.

"Any landlord or employer providing substandard housing to illegals should be a serious crime.
Any employer not paying the illegals at the end of the day or week should be prosecuted. A common practice by many unscrupulous businesses here in Arizona, and I am sure across the USA... Rip-off Report deals with these types of complaints on a weekly basis... Rip-off Report assists these immigrants being taken advantage of, and as a free service, helps them get their money."

Okay, we may have some middle ground here. Any employer who employs an ILLEGAL should have his assets siezed, and go to jail. this one thing alone, would eliminate the entire problem. If the ILLEGALS cannot get work, they will go home. The first time an employer loses everything, the rest will fall in line.

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#396 Consumer Comment

Illegal means illegal. If I robbed a store and got caught I would go to jail.

AUTHOR: Gloria - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Monday, April 24, 2006

Darlene

I'll go with you.

In addition to what you want I would also like

1. Free medical, free dental, free vision care...

2. Food stamps.

3. Discounts on my utilities.

4. Higher paying jobs because I speak English.

5. Live in a brand new 6 bedroom house and only pay $28 a mo. The balance will be paid by the govt.

6. Take taxes from everyone so I can live freely.

7. On holidays have organizations give me presents, freebies for my family.

Illegal means illegal. If I robbed a store and got caught I would go to jail. Why? Robbing a store is illegal. If coming over the border is illegal then it is illegal and they must be sent back.

Although my background is Spanish, Mexican, German and Basque what I truly am is...

A proud American and businesswoman.

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#395 Consumer Comment

Response to illegal immigration - May 1st!! If the CAUCASIONS would like a day without Mexicans

AUTHOR: Lillie - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Friday, April 14, 2006

I would like to address the Mexicans who read this response.

May 1st!! If the CAUCASIONS would like a day without Mexicans:

DO NOT GO TO WORK.
DO NOT BUY FOOD.
DO NOT BUY GAS.
DO NOT DO ANYTHING THAT WOULD SUPPORT THE ECONOMY FOR THE UNITED STATES.

I would like to see one day where someone could not go to a restaurant and get food. Or someone's lawn is not mowed. Maybe hotel rooms are not cleaned. No construction going on.

It's an experiment, let's try it. If everything goes smoothly, then I will vote to send all the Mexicans back. But if it is chaos, WHAT THE HELL ARE WE FIGHTING FOR?

Some guy who got hit by an uninsured Mexican? I got hit two months ago by a uninsured caucasion.
There are good people, bad people and in- between people all over this planet. But under God we are all only people.

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The owners of this property and others like it should be punished & charged with felonies for human rights violations. What ever laws are made by our politicians ... still, the way these people are living should be a crime. The owners should be prosecuted

AUTHOR: EDitor@ripoffreport.com - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Friday, April 14, 2006

I am one of the many illegal aliens living here in the USA. I have worked this land for this owner and his relatives for more than 20 years. Some days the owner, for no reason yells and screams at us, you all need to move! Get out.! Sometimes we live in fear not knowing from one day to the next what our employer will say. I stay because life in Mexico is not too much better, but I can send money to my family to help them to buy food. There is no work in our village.






It's no coincidence that our Government has not properly guarded our boarders... WE LET THEM IN, on purpose, ..our governments fault and now we want to turn on them? It has been a known FACT that illegal aliens work on our roads nationwide, they are employed directly or indirectly by our government. They are the main force today building new homes here in Arizona and in many other states. Politicians use illegal aliens as house keepers, nannies, to the gardener. What the hell are our politicians talking about to just send them all back? !

Our politicians should be going after the businesses that hire them, paying cash off the books and screwing the state and Federal government! oops! that won't work. Theses are the very business that contribute to their political campaigns! So now, to make things look good, they will selectively start coming down on those businesses that are not good ol' boys..






The owners of this property and others like it should be punished and charged with felonies for human rights violations. What ever laws are made by our politicians for illegal aliens, ... still, the way these people are living should be a crime. The owners should be prosecuted.

These still photo's do not tell the whole story.

Rip-off Report would like to expose this owner, but, if we did, these hard working people would more than likely be deported.






I believe all illegals should be registered (I dont care as what) ..finger print them, tattoo them, get hair follicles, blood samples, photo ID them, make sure they have a valid address and they must notify with in 10 days of a new address With in 10 days, give information on who they work for.. If anyone employees a day laborer, the employer should fill out forms excepting responsibility and amount of money paid etc.. then the day laborer should send their work schedule to a new division of the State Department of labor. Illegals should pay fees with paperwork sent in along with proper taxes. No citizenship till they can speak English.. Think of all the Americans that can be employed doing all this paper work, bringing new found money to our government and to new American case workers monitoring these workers.

All illegal aliens should be able to stay. BUT, we need to properly guard our boarders.



Any landlord or employer providing substandard housing to illegals should be a serious crime.
Any employer not paying the illegals at the end of the day or week should be prosecuted. A common practice by many unscrupulous businesses here in Arizona, and I am sure across the USA... Rip-off Report deals with these types of complaints on a weekly basis... Rip-off Report assists these immigrants being taken advantage of, and as a free service, helps them get their money.

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#393 Consumer Suggestion

Dear President Bush: Would Mexico Support Unemployed American Citizens?

AUTHOR: Darlene - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Thursday, April 13, 2006

April 12, 2006


Dear President Bush:

I'm about to plan a little trip with my family and extended family, and I would like to ask you to assist me. I'm going to walk across the border from the U.S. into Mexico, and I need to make a few arrangements. I know you can help with this. Because I only expect to be in Mexico long enough for my children to get a quality free education (or until they want to have children), I plan to skip all the legal stuff like visas, passports, immigration quotas and laws. I'm sure they handle those things the same way you do here. So, would you mind telling your buddy, President Vicente Fox, that I'm on my way over? Please let him know that I will be expecting the following:

1. Free medical care for my entire family.

2. English-speaking government bureaucrats for all services I might need, whether I use them or not.

3. All government forms need to be printed in English.

4. I want my kids to be taught by English-speaking teachers.

5. Schools need to include classes on American culture and history.

6. I want my kids to see the American flag flying on the top of the flag pole at their school with the Mexican flag flying lower down.

7. Please plan to feed my kids at school for both breakfast and lunch.

8. I will need a local Mexican driver's license so I can get easy access to government services.

9. I do not plan to have any car insurance, and I won't make any effort to learn local traffic laws.

10. In case one of the Mexican police officers does not get the memo from Pres. Fox to leave me alone, please be sure that all police officers speak English.

11. I plan to fly the U.S. flag from my house top, put flag decals on my car, and have a gigantic celebration on July 4th. I do not want any complaints or negative comments from the locals.

12. I would also like to have a nice job without paying any taxes, and don't enforce any labor laws or tax laws.

13. Please tell all the people in the country to be extremely nice and never say a critical word about me, or about the strain I might place on the economy. I know this is an easy request because you already do all these things for all the people who come to the U.S. from Mexico. I am sure that Pres. Fox won't mind returning the favor if you ask him nicely. However, if he gives you any trouble, just invite him to go quail hunting with your V.P.

Sincerely,
An American Tax-Paying Citizen

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#392 Consumer Comment

Illegals in California

AUTHOR: Patricia D - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Monday, April 03, 2006

I don't know about other states, but I know how things are in California.

I hear about how the illegal immigrants are so mistreated in this state. I hear about how no one will work the way these people do. I hear about the way they just want to support their families.

I have lived in California my entire life. I have worked in California my entire life. I have worked the fields in Central California. I know what is going on. I personally knew Cesar Chavez. I can only say "Spare me the BULL****.

Let me tell you how illegal immigrants in California are really treated. When illegal immigrants come into this state, they are encouraged to apply for MediCal, WIC, Public Assistance, unemployment, etc. They all have social security numbers when they get here or shortly thereafter. Our hospitals have a policy of not turning anyone away. I worked the emergency room of a local hospital, so I know this is true. The illegals go to the ER and although they have a wallet full of credit cards, they don't pay a penny. Some of our schools in Central California have to special order textbooks in English if they get a non Spanish speaking student. Over 85% of everything in Central California is written in Spanish. I had to prove I could speak and understand Spanish before I could work in the ER.

California voters passed a bill which required California to have English as the official language. Does everyone really think only non-hispanic voted for this?

Only illegals will work the fields? Let me tell you something. You give me minimum wage, MediCal, WIC, Commodities, public assistance, free school breakfast and lunch for my kids and Section 8 housing, and I will gladly go back to the fields.

California originally belonged to Native Americans. Native Americans who had to apply for citizenship to be recognized. Native Americans who were sent to Reservations to live. Native Americans who have had to beg for every cent the government ever gave them. Native Americans whose homes revert back to government property after 30 years.

So don't tell me how badly illegal immigrants are mistreated. If you don't like it here, leave. Go back to Mexico, Saudi Arabia, Syria. If I was truly mistreated the way you claim to be, I would not stay. Cesar Chavez wanted to work. He didn't want to be catered to. He wanted to work. He didn't want a handout. He wanted to work. He didn't want sympathy. He simply wanted to work.

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#391 Consumer Comment

Crack down on illegal immigration!!! - these cheapskate employers!

AUTHOR: Jason - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Friday, March 31, 2006

Illegal aliens are by definition lawbreakers and must be deported. And yes, the employers of the illegal aliens should be fined as well. It is pathetic that the U.S. Chamber of Commerce supports the amnesty program, serving as a "shill" for the employers hiring illegal aliens.

If these cheapskate employers would pay a decent wage, American workers would do the tough jobs that illegal aliens are doing now.

And as a Catholic, I find it outrageous that Cardinal Mahoney of Los Angeles supports letting the illegal aliens stay in the U.S. and receiving full benefits. The Pope should demote the Cardinal back to a assistant parish priest.

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#390 Consumer Comment

Crack down on illegal immigration!!! - these cheapskate employers!

AUTHOR: Jason - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Friday, March 31, 2006

Illegal aliens are by definition lawbreakers and must be deported. And yes, the employers of the illegal aliens should be fined as well. It is pathetic that the U.S. Chamber of Commerce supports the amnesty program, serving as a "shill" for the employers hiring illegal aliens.

If these cheapskate employers would pay a decent wage, American workers would do the tough jobs that illegal aliens are doing now.

And as a Catholic, I find it outrageous that Cardinal Mahoney of Los Angeles supports letting the illegal aliens stay in the U.S. and receiving full benefits. The Pope should demote the Cardinal back to a assistant parish priest.

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#389 Consumer Comment

Crack down on illegal immigration!!! - these cheapskate employers!

AUTHOR: Jason - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Friday, March 31, 2006

Illegal aliens are by definition lawbreakers and must be deported. And yes, the employers of the illegal aliens should be fined as well. It is pathetic that the U.S. Chamber of Commerce supports the amnesty program, serving as a "shill" for the employers hiring illegal aliens.

If these cheapskate employers would pay a decent wage, American workers would do the tough jobs that illegal aliens are doing now.

And as a Catholic, I find it outrageous that Cardinal Mahoney of Los Angeles supports letting the illegal aliens stay in the U.S. and receiving full benefits. The Pope should demote the Cardinal back to a assistant parish priest.

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#388 Consumer Comment

Crack down on illegal immigration!!! - these cheapskate employers!

AUTHOR: Jason - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Friday, March 31, 2006

Illegal aliens are by definition lawbreakers and must be deported. And yes, the employers of the illegal aliens should be fined as well. It is pathetic that the U.S. Chamber of Commerce supports the amnesty program, serving as a "shill" for the employers hiring illegal aliens.

If these cheapskate employers would pay a decent wage, American workers would do the tough jobs that illegal aliens are doing now.

And as a Catholic, I find it outrageous that Cardinal Mahoney of Los Angeles supports letting the illegal aliens stay in the U.S. and receiving full benefits. The Pope should demote the Cardinal back to a assistant parish priest.

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#387 Consumer Comment

My opinion on ILLEGAL immigration..

AUTHOR: Steve - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Thursday, March 30, 2006

Ed,

These are some of the reasons I am against ILLEGAL immigration. ILLEGAL immigration ONLY benefits big business.

I don't agree with exploitation in any form....However..

Illegal immigration is the primary reason our wages and standard of living keep going down, and the reason for the explosion in health care costs.

The taxpayer pays the bill. The LEGAL worker pays the price. All social services are beyond capacity, and our uninsured motorists are at a record high.

I have been on this thread many times and it gets me all worked up.

I feel bad for them as human beings, but I do not want them here. They are bad for our economy and our country in general.

Big business can post record profits due to exploitation of illegals, and the ability to pay legal workers less, and no benefits.

I want to get our country back! I don't want to be forced to learn another language to live in the country I defended.

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#386 Consumer Suggestion

The people who hire illegals need to face the felony charges.

AUTHOR: Steve - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Thursday, March 30, 2006

Ed,

The ONLY economy that would go bad would be the bottom line of big business.

There are many more costs to our economy with illegals than without.

-They dont pay taxes, but use all public services. Most of the young women are baby factories and we pay for all of them.
-They NEVER have car insurance, we pay higher premiums
-They enable employers to make us compete for jobs far below the living wage.
-They all use our healthcare system for FREE. I can't.

I could go on, but I'm sure you gat the point.

But for the record, it's not just Mexicans that make up the illegal immigrant population. And, I have nothing against Mexicans. I lived in Phoenix and had all Mexican neighbors almost, and never had a problem.

It isn't personal against them.

And, keep in mind that that thing about them doing the jobs we won't do...blah...blah...is BS. We won't do them for $20 a day like they do, but for $10-$15 an hour we would be standing in line. And on that subject....

Wages are only a small part of the final cost of a retail product, despite the propaganda. Higher wages do not automatically translate to higher prices. That is special interest propaganda.

If a business cannot afford to pay a LIVING WAGE, they are not REALLY in business anyway.

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#385 Consumer Comment

Response to the EDitor: On this issue I will definately agree with you.

AUTHOR: David - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Thursday, March 30, 2006

Ed,

On this issue I will definately agree with you. I am in support of a program that will allow illegal immigrants who have jobs to stay in the country and be documented. I am not in favor of handing out citizenship to every one of them, as it only sets a dangerous precedent for any group wanting to enter the country, but I am in support of a compromise such as workers' visas with the opportunity to apply for citizenship at a later date.

I do have a few concerns/requirements though. I would like your opinions on them:

1. Workers would have to have a "sponsor" as you mentioned. The last thing we need to do is to add to the number of jobless in the country.

2. The border should be secured. Not another rent-a-fence, and not another hundred or so underpaid border patrol agents, but a real effort to secure the border. This is a national security risk, regardless of the status of immigration. As it is currently, anyone who can enter Mexico can enter the United States. Having personally traveled to Mexico from other countries, I can tell you it is not a difficult feat to get through without being asked a single time for a passport or identification, and we weren't even trying to be sneaky.

3. There would have to be strict punishments for employers of illegal immigrants. Not just those that don't pay the immigrants, or pay them less than minimum wage, but ALL employers employing illegals.

4. There would have to be a cap on how many workers are allowed into the country. I see the need for a certain number of workers to fill jobs that would not be economically feasible to fill at the rate an anglo worker would request. On the other hand, I also studied economics for 2 years, and understand the impact of an uncontrollable flood of cheap labor on an economy. If the flow of workers is not regulated, the market WILL become so overfull with cheap labor that it will drive wages even further down from their current levels. People who believe prices would follow the downward trend are na. As much as any business owner would love to be able to staff their businesses with minimum wage workers just because they can, that does not make it a good thing for the American people. I'm all for humane treatment of immigrants, but not everyone who currently resides here legally is a snot-nosed brat who deserves to be jobless because someone will do the work for cheaper.

5. Workers wishing to stay in the country need to learn English. Suggesting this in any sort of public forum seems to automatically make you a racist in the PC days we live in. I don't think it is too much to ask for people who wish to live in this country to speak the language of this country. This is a very big issue with a lot of people opposed to most plans to allow undocumented workers to remain in the country. Arizona spends millions of dollars a year printing Spanish language forms and staffing Spanish speaking govt. workers. The notion of English being the official language in an English speaking country doesn't seem racist to me, but all to often I find myself branded as such for making the suggestion.

6. If such a measure is passed, and it becomes easier to enter the country legally, then the strictest measures should be imposed on border crossers. The vast majority of legal immigrants I have spoke to have no respect whatsoever for those who enter the country illegally. It isn't fair to those that do go through the proper channels and have a desire to work to just allow anyone and their wet dog who jumps the border to simply get tossed back over with a slap on the wrist and a lesson learned in border jumping.

7. In addition to number 6, illegal immigrants will not have the right to lawsuits in American courts. Number 3 above outlines stricter penalties for businesses employing illegal immigrants. Those businesses should also be punished for any inhumane treatment of the illegal immigrants. The immigrants should not, however, be allowed to collect big money in lawsuits. At the most, cap the damages as the difference between the wage they were paid, and the minimum wage of the United States. I am sick and tired of hearing stories such as the lawsuit that was brought against the State of Arizona years back for not having access to water for illegal immigrants that had entered the state. GIVE ME A BREAK. I do not want my government paying illegals millions of dollars because the coyote they hired is a either a jackass, stupid, or both. Hang the coyote, throw the illegals back across the border, but get rid of the crying and the multi-million dollar lawsuit that seems to always ensue.

It should be noted that when I refer to illegal immigrants, I'm referring to those with an illegal status AFTER the implementation of a law that would allow reasonable accomodations to would-be immigrants wishing to enter the country to work.

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..EDitor's Comments: CROSSING A BORDER ILLEGALLY SEEMS PRETTY HARMLESS TO ME. CERTAINLY NOT WORTH A FELONY.. Alexander Hamilton WAS AN ILLEGAL ALIEN

AUTHOR: ED - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Wednesday, March 29, 2006
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Brian, you just don't get it, do you. Since they are here in the USA, they should not be allowed to be treated like animals. Punct, period. It doesn't matter what you think life is like where they came from. I thought we got over that mentality when we realized slavery was wrong.

I just checked the same location this past weekend, that I reported on a number of years ago. (see the photos at the beginning of this Report) ..also new photo's below.

Below you can see this builder is clearly advertising for Spanish workers. Nothing about experience here?. Wonder if they are paid on the books? All the workers walk or ride their bikes from down the street about a half a mile away from the bushes and trees they live in. These workers live in the trees you see at the very top of the page and in the areas pictured below under this bridge. Those photo's at the top of this Report were taken 3 years ago, those living quarters at the top of the page still exist today, some workers live there and work here and for other builders in the area. Many of the workers that lived in the groves also worked in the grove, now they work building the homes as these lands get sold off to builders. Once the groves are gone, and the homes are all built, these workers will be used for our car washes and other jobs Americans will never do.

The bridge below is one of the better places these works can live. They do not have to worry about tarps blowing away to protect them from the rain. Local residents and the authorities know they live here. Anyone can see them walking with their groceries into the bushes and no one seems to care.


It is estimated by one law enforcement officer that there are more than 400 illegals living and working in this particular area, mostly working in the Groves or building homes. According to authorities there are no problems with crime involving the illegals. A few occasional drunks have been detained for public intoxication. The illegals do not have a reputation for causing any problems according to the police officer we spoke with.

Neither you, nor any politician can understand how dire their situation is unless they go and see these accommodations for themselves. Yes, illegals are still there, even a lot more of them, growing every day and they are not going away. That is the reality of the situation. Their situation is the same, with a lot more makeshift housing, if you want to call it that. Sanitation is still not available and with the drought, water is rarely available in the canals. These people depend on that water in which to bathe and wash their clothes.

Now, here's the real kicker... Not only are many of them still working in the fields, and although they seem to have received a raise (from $70 to $150 a week), they are being worked harder than their American counterpart field workers; about 10 hours a day, 6 or 7 days a week.

Most of the people I talked with are working on new home construction in the Phoenix East Valley, which are being sold for over $400,000 just down the street from their enclave. The wages the home builders are paying these illegals is between $5 to $8 per hour, doing the same work gringos are being paid $17 to $32 per hour to accomplish. Now tell me, who is the bad guy here?!

Brian, this could be you, maybe in your next life. One never knows what bad luck may be in store for any of us. Put yourself in the place of these illegals. Almost every culture advises us to treat others as we would wish to be treated. Just imagine your family is poor, no work because your country sucks and there is no assistance they can provide for you. Brian, wouldn't you do absolutely anything possible to save your loved ones from hunger and then to help them achieve their dreams?

CROSSING A BORDER ILLEGALLY SEEMS PRETTY HARMLESS TO ME. CERTAINLY NOT WORTH A FELONY..

So, what is so bad about what these people are trying to do? They jump a fence or swim a river that we as Americans cannot or choose not to protect. Do you think this is by mistake? Is it because we, as Americans, are so inefficient to properly protect our borders? Or is it because our economy really depends on these unique hard workers? No matter what you want to believe, they got here and we have jobs for them because unscrupulous home builders, farmers and ranchers are greedy enough and would rather break the law to enlarge their already overpriced product margin. These unscrupulous companies do not care about the quality of the homes they are selling, using substandard materials and employing these people illegally, to do the work they are not properly trained to do. To top it off, these home builders know d**n well the Hispanic workers they are employing are not only illegal but that they are living in the trees like animals!

The builders and the farmers that employ these people... they are the scum who you should decry, not the illegal immigrants, who are the victims, stuck in the middle between to governmental policies; US policy, which purports to not want them here illegally, and the Mexican policy, which encourages them to sneak over the border. By the way, Mexicans are not the only ones here, there are also a large number of Guatemalan, El Salvadorian, Ecuadorian and Costa Rican immigrants here. Most of them do not want to stay here; they just want to make enough money to buy their own land, which must be 100% paid for up front.

There are many employers that do treat illegal workers properly, having them do work we all know most people, even Brian, would never do. American workers willing to take these jobs, like landscaping in 120 degree weather, would never be as reliable or as hard working as these poor illegals coming over our borders from our neighbors to the south.

Is our US Government so inefficient they can't stop this? If we really wanted to stop it, we could. This has been no mistake. This is all a matter of economics for the American economy. We "allow" it because it actually is good for our economy. It keeps the price of our fruits and vegetables low.

Alexander Hamilton WAS AN ILLEGAL ALIEN

Now that we have addressed the subject of our economy, I want you to take your wallet out, Brian. Look at a $10 bill... on the front. Do you know who that man is? Yes, he is Alexander Hamilton. Do you know anything about him? He was born in Charles Town on the island of Nevis in the Caribbean. He spent most of his youth in St. Croix and then snuck into the American Colony, the continental states, ILLEGALLY at age 17. He later worked hard! He not only fought the British as a soldier, but also against the brutality of slavery. He saw the inhumane treatment of African slaves in the Caribbean, and guess what? They let him stay here. He shaped the future of our American Economy to the world class economy that it is today.

Many of these immigrants have the potential to be doctors, lawyers and teachers, also. They should have the chance and you should be comfortable with that. What ever happened to: "Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free... Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me...?"

SOLUTION:

This is as close as this EDitor gets to agreeing with President George Bush (43). Ironically, the conscienceless Republicans are angry with him for suggesting an humane solution.

I propose we give all those who are here now, 60 or 90 days to get fingerprinted and registered with some sort of social security number, and a way to prove residence. Perhaps we should require an American to agree to employ them, a sponsor if you will. That sponsorship would require those who employ these people certain minimal and HUMANE accommodations. No trees or bridges to live under.

This would not give anyone citizenship until they are here, problem-free, for 10 years, paying taxes and receiving lower wages. That is a win-win situation. It is good for the economy and provides a safe means to stay in this country. Those who wish to come here to work could also be allowed on a special work visa. This also guts the immoral business of the "coyote," who smuggle humans, often endangering them. Maybe this would deter American Companies from outsourcing jobs to China, India and Indonesia.

Rip-off Report assisting those less fortunate..

This EDitor and some of his volunteers work for solutions, not just complain about the problems. We talk with the workers and warn them about behaviors that may get them into trouble. We hand out fliers, printed in Spanish, warning them that some of their customs may actually land them in jail; like peeing on the side of a building or spitting or walking into the street to get work. We also tell them not to bunch up; keep to only two in a group because of the obvious excuse for the police to arrest them.

UNSCRUPULOUS EMPLOYERS TAKING ADVANTAGE OF ILLEGALS

The next issue that needs a solution is the punishment of the unscrupulous employers. They must be forced to be fair. It only stands to reason that if they can justify breaking the law to make a living, then they will probably break other rules. In fact, this class of people are often guilty of not paying agreed upon wages, even though the labor is a steal of a deal anyway. Often, East Valley Phoenix ranchers, Farmers, landscape companies, and contractors work the illegals for a week or a month and then drop them off in the middle of nowhere, and tell them to take off and if they show up again they will call "le migre" (immigration).

I, ED Magedson personally go out every week handing out flyers and counsel these workers to carry pencils and paper. They are advised to write down the times and types of labor performed, the addresses where they worked and the license plates of the vehicles that transported them.

We counsel them that even though they are not here legally that it is against the law for these people not to pay them. It is theft of service. Rip-off Report offers them a free service in helping them to get their money owed, in some cases we have involved the police to hold them accountable for these crimes. Going after the companies and individuals with out the assistance of the police or the courts is defiantly quicker.. The companies realize once we contact them, if they were to go to court, it would mean treble damages for not paying their workers.

In the end, Brian, these are human beings and we have a responsibility to maintain a standard of behavior that demonstrates that we are determined to uphold the rights of all people. Examine our fundamental documents which established our nation. In the Declaration of Independence it says: "...We hold these truths to be self evident that ALL men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of Happiness."

Brian, I added the capitalization of the word "ALL" for emphasis. It does not exclude Mexicans, Central or South Americans. It does not exclude Africans, Chinese or Jews; however, it includes everyone. The sooner we get that, the sooner we will start treating each other properly. I would suggest that anyone who does not agree with this doctrine are not truly American and should probably repatriate, not the illegal immigrants who actually subscribe to our American doctrine.

Thank you,

ED Magedson
EDitor@RipoffReport.com
badbusinessbureau.com
www.ripoffreport.com

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#383 Author of original report

..EDitor's Comments: CROSSING A BORDER ILLEGALLY SEEMS PRETTY HARMLESS TO ME. CERTAINLY NOT WORTH A FELONY.. Alexander Hamilton WAS AN ILLEGAL ALIEN

AUTHOR: ED - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Wednesday, March 29, 2006
EDitor's Comment

Brian, you just don't get it, do you. Since they are here in the USA, they should not be allowed to be treated like animals. Punct, period. It doesn't matter what you think life is like where they came from. I thought we got over that mentality when we realized slavery was wrong.

I just checked the same location this past weekend, that I reported on a number of years ago. (see the photos at the beginning of this Report) ..also new photo's below.

Below you can see this builder is clearly advertising for Spanish workers. Nothing about experience here?. Wonder if they are paid on the books? All the workers walk or ride their bikes from down the street about a half a mile away from the bushes and trees they live in. These workers live in the trees you see at the very top of the page and in the areas pictured below under this bridge. Those photo's at the top of this Report were taken 3 years ago, those living quarters at the top of the page still exist today, some workers live there and work here and for other builders in the area. Many of the workers that lived in the groves also worked in the grove, now they work building the homes as these lands get sold off to builders. Once the groves are gone, and the homes are all built, these workers will be used for our car washes and other jobs Americans will never do.

The bridge below is one of the better places these works can live. They do not have to worry about tarps blowing away to protect them from the rain. Local residents and the authorities know they live here. Anyone can see them walking with their groceries into the bushes and no one seems to care.


It is estimated by one law enforcement officer that there are more than 400 illegals living and working in this particular area, mostly working in the Groves or building homes. According to authorities there are no problems with crime involving the illegals. A few occasional drunks have been detained for public intoxication. The illegals do not have a reputation for causing any problems according to the police officer we spoke with.

Neither you, nor any politician can understand how dire their situation is unless they go and see these accommodations for themselves. Yes, illegals are still there, even a lot more of them, growing every day and they are not going away. That is the reality of the situation. Their situation is the same, with a lot more makeshift housing, if you want to call it that. Sanitation is still not available and with the drought, water is rarely available in the canals. These people depend on that water in which to bathe and wash their clothes.

Now, here's the real kicker... Not only are many of them still working in the fields, and although they seem to have received a raise (from $70 to $150 a week), they are being worked harder than their American counterpart field workers; about 10 hours a day, 6 or 7 days a week.

Most of the people I talked with are working on new home construction in the Phoenix East Valley, which are being sold for over $400,000 just down the street from their enclave. The wages the home builders are paying these illegals is between $5 to $8 per hour, doing the same work gringos are being paid $17 to $32 per hour to accomplish. Now tell me, who is the bad guy here?!

Brian, this could be you, maybe in your next life. One never knows what bad luck may be in store for any of us. Put yourself in the place of these illegals. Almost every culture advises us to treat others as we would wish to be treated. Just imagine your family is poor, no work because your country sucks and there is no assistance they can provide for you. Brian, wouldn't you do absolutely anything possible to save your loved ones from hunger and then to help them achieve their dreams?

CROSSING A BORDER ILLEGALLY SEEMS PRETTY HARMLESS TO ME. CERTAINLY NOT WORTH A FELONY..

So, what is so bad about what these people are trying to do? They jump a fence or swim a river that we as Americans cannot or choose not to protect. Do you think this is by mistake? Is it because we, as Americans, are so inefficient to properly protect our borders? Or is it because our economy really depends on these unique hard workers? No matter what you want to believe, they got here and we have jobs for them because unscrupulous home builders, farmers and ranchers are greedy enough and would rather break the law to enlarge their already overpriced product margin. These unscrupulous companies do not care about the quality of the homes they are selling, using substandard materials and employing these people illegally, to do the work they are not properly trained to do. To top it off, these home builders know d**n well the Hispanic workers they are employing are not only illegal but that they are living in the trees like animals!

The builders and the farmers that employ these people... they are the scum who you should decry, not the illegal immigrants, who are the victims, stuck in the middle between to governmental policies; US policy, which purports to not want them here illegally, and the Mexican policy, which encourages them to sneak over the border. By the way, Mexicans are not the only ones here, there are also a large number of Guatemalan, El Salvadorian, Ecuadorian and Costa Rican immigrants here. Most of them do not want to stay here; they just want to make enough money to buy their own land, which must be 100% paid for up front.

There are many employers that do treat illegal workers properly, having them do work we all know most people, even Brian, would never do. American workers willing to take these jobs, like landscaping in 120 degree weather, would never be as reliable or as hard working as these poor illegals coming over our borders from our neighbors to the south.

Is our US Government so inefficient they can't stop this? If we really wanted to stop it, we could. This has been no mistake. This is all a matter of economics for the American economy. We "allow" it because it actually is good for our economy. It keeps the price of our fruits and vegetables low.

Alexander Hamilton WAS AN ILLEGAL ALIEN

Now that we have addressed the subject of our economy, I want you to take your wallet out, Brian. Look at a $10 bill... on the front. Do you know who that man is? Yes, he is Alexander Hamilton. Do you know anything about him? He was born in Charles Town on the island of Nevis in the Caribbean. He spent most of his youth in St. Croix and then snuck into the American Colony, the continental states, ILLEGALLY at age 17. He later worked hard! He not only fought the British as a soldier, but also against the brutality of slavery. He saw the inhumane treatment of African slaves in the Caribbean, and guess what? They let him stay here. He shaped the future of our American Economy to the world class economy that it is today.

Many of these immigrants have the potential to be doctors, lawyers and teachers, also. They should have the chance and you should be comfortable with that. What ever happened to: "Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free... Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me...?"

SOLUTION:

This is as close as this EDitor gets to agreeing with President George Bush (43). Ironically, the conscienceless Republicans are angry with him for suggesting an humane solution.

I propose we give all those who are here now, 60 or 90 days to get fingerprinted and registered with some sort of social security number, and a way to prove residence. Perhaps we should require an American to agree to employ them, a sponsor if you will. That sponsorship would require those who employ these people certain minimal and HUMANE accommodations. No trees or bridges to live under.

This would not give anyone citizenship until they are here, problem-free, for 10 years, paying taxes and receiving lower wages. That is a win-win situation. It is good for the economy and provides a safe means to stay in this country. Those who wish to come here to work could also be allowed on a special work visa. This also guts the immoral business of the "coyote," who smuggle humans, often endangering them. Maybe this would deter American Companies from outsourcing jobs to China, India and Indonesia.

Rip-off Report assisting those less fortunate..

This EDitor and some of his volunteers work for solutions, not just complain about the problems. We talk with the workers and warn them about behaviors that may get them into trouble. We hand out fliers, printed in Spanish, warning them that some of their customs may actually land them in jail; like peeing on the side of a building or spitting or walking into the street to get work. We also tell them not to bunch up; keep to only two in a group because of the obvious excuse for the police to arrest them.

UNSCRUPULOUS EMPLOYERS TAKING ADVANTAGE OF ILLEGALS

The next issue that needs a solution is the punishment of the unscrupulous employers. They must be forced to be fair. It only stands to reason that if they can justify breaking the law to make a living, then they will probably break other rules. In fact, this class of people are often guilty of not paying agreed upon wages, even though the labor is a steal of a deal anyway. Often, East Valley Phoenix ranchers, Farmers, landscape companies, and contractors work the illegals for a week or a month and then drop them off in the middle of nowhere, and tell them to take off and if they show up again they will call "le migre" (immigration).

I, ED Magedson personally go out every week handing out flyers and counsel these workers to carry pencils and paper. They are advised to write down the times and types of labor performed, the addresses where they worked and the license plates of the vehicles that transported them.

We counsel them that even though they are not here legally that it is against the law for these people not to pay them. It is theft of service. Rip-off Report offers them a free service in helping them to get their money owed, in some cases we have involved the police to hold them accountable for these crimes. Going after the companies and individuals with out the assistance of the police or the courts is defiantly quicker.. The companies realize once we contact them, if they were to go to court, it would mean treble damages for not paying their workers.

In the end, Brian, these are human beings and we have a responsibility to maintain a standard of behavior that demonstrates that we are determined to uphold the rights of all people. Examine our fundamental documents which established our nation. In the Declaration of Independence it says: "...We hold these truths to be self evident that ALL men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of Happiness."

Brian, I added the capitalization of the word "ALL" for emphasis. It does not exclude Mexicans, Central or South Americans. It does not exclude Africans, Chinese or Jews; however, it includes everyone. The sooner we get that, the sooner we will start treating each other properly. I would suggest that anyone who does not agree with this doctrine are not truly American and should probably repatriate, not the illegal immigrants who actually subscribe to our American doctrine.

Thank you,

ED Magedson
EDitor@RipoffReport.com
badbusinessbureau.com
www.ripoffreport.com

We are not lawyers.
We are not a collection agency.

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...the victims' advocate

WE are Civil and Human Rights Activists

We are a Nationwide Consumer Reporting News Agency
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#382 Author of original report

..EDitor's Comments: CROSSING A BORDER ILLEGALLY SEEMS PRETTY HARMLESS TO ME. CERTAINLY NOT WORTH A FELONY.. Alexander Hamilton WAS AN ILLEGAL ALIEN

AUTHOR: ED - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Wednesday, March 29, 2006
EDitor's Comment

Brian, you just don't get it, do you. Since they are here in the USA, they should not be allowed to be treated like animals. Punct, period. It doesn't matter what you think life is like where they came from. I thought we got over that mentality when we realized slavery was wrong.

I just checked the same location this past weekend, that I reported on a number of years ago. (see the photos at the beginning of this Report) ..also new photo's below.

Below you can see this builder is clearly advertising for Spanish workers. Nothing about experience here?. Wonder if they are paid on the books? All the workers walk or ride their bikes from down the street about a half a mile away from the bushes and trees they live in. These workers live in the trees you see at the very top of the page and in the areas pictured below under this bridge. Those photo's at the top of this Report were taken 3 years ago, those living quarters at the top of the page still exist today, some workers live there and work here and for other builders in the area. Many of the workers that lived in the groves also worked in the grove, now they work building the homes as these lands get sold off to builders. Once the groves are gone, and the homes are all built, these workers will be used for our car washes and other jobs Americans will never do.

The bridge below is one of the better places these works can live. They do not have to worry about tarps blowing away to protect them from the rain. Local residents and the authorities know they live here. Anyone can see them walking with their groceries into the bushes and no one seems to care.


It is estimated by one law enforcement officer that there are more than 400 illegals living and working in this particular area, mostly working in the Groves or building homes. According to authorities there are no problems with crime involving the illegals. A few occasional drunks have been detained for public intoxication. The illegals do not have a reputation for causing any problems according to the police officer we spoke with.

Neither you, nor any politician can understand how dire their situation is unless they go and see these accommodations for themselves. Yes, illegals are still there, even a lot more of them, growing every day and they are not going away. That is the reality of the situation. Their situation is the same, with a lot more makeshift housing, if you want to call it that. Sanitation is still not available and with the drought, water is rarely available in the canals. These people depend on that water in which to bathe and wash their clothes.

Now, here's the real kicker... Not only are many of them still working in the fields, and although they seem to have received a raise (from $70 to $150 a week), they are being worked harder than their American counterpart field workers; about 10 hours a day, 6 or 7 days a week.

Most of the people I talked with are working on new home construction in the Phoenix East Valley, which are being sold for over $400,000 just down the street from their enclave. The wages the home builders are paying these illegals is between $5 to $8 per hour, doing the same work gringos are being paid $17 to $32 per hour to accomplish. Now tell me, who is the bad guy here?!

Brian, this could be you, maybe in your next life. One never knows what bad luck may be in store for any of us. Put yourself in the place of these illegals. Almost every culture advises us to treat others as we would wish to be treated. Just imagine your family is poor, no work because your country sucks and there is no assistance they can provide for you. Brian, wouldn't you do absolutely anything possible to save your loved ones from hunger and then to help them achieve their dreams?

CROSSING A BORDER ILLEGALLY SEEMS PRETTY HARMLESS TO ME. CERTAINLY NOT WORTH A FELONY..

So, what is so bad about what these people are trying to do? They jump a fence or swim a river that we as Americans cannot or choose not to protect. Do you think this is by mistake? Is it because we, as Americans, are so inefficient to properly protect our borders? Or is it because our economy really depends on these unique hard workers? No matter what you want to believe, they got here and we have jobs for them because unscrupulous home builders, farmers and ranchers are greedy enough and would rather break the law to enlarge their already overpriced product margin. These unscrupulous companies do not care about the quality of the homes they are selling, using substandard materials and employing these people illegally, to do the work they are not properly trained to do. To top it off, these home builders know d**n well the Hispanic workers they are employing are not only illegal but that they are living in the trees like animals!

The builders and the farmers that employ these people... they are the scum who you should decry, not the illegal immigrants, who are the victims, stuck in the middle between to governmental policies; US policy, which purports to not want them here illegally, and the Mexican policy, which encourages them to sneak over the border. By the way, Mexicans are not the only ones here, there are also a large number of Guatemalan, El Salvadorian, Ecuadorian and Costa Rican immigrants here. Most of them do not want to stay here; they just want to make enough money to buy their own land, which must be 100% paid for up front.

There are many employers that do treat illegal workers properly, having them do work we all know most people, even Brian, would never do. American workers willing to take these jobs, like landscaping in 120 degree weather, would never be as reliable or as hard working as these poor illegals coming over our borders from our neighbors to the south.

Is our US Government so inefficient they can't stop this? If we really wanted to stop it, we could. This has been no mistake. This is all a matter of economics for the American economy. We "allow" it because it actually is good for our economy. It keeps the price of our fruits and vegetables low.

Alexander Hamilton WAS AN ILLEGAL ALIEN

Now that we have addressed the subject of our economy, I want you to take your wallet out, Brian. Look at a $10 bill... on the front. Do you know who that man is? Yes, he is Alexander Hamilton. Do you know anything about him? He was born in Charles Town on the island of Nevis in the Caribbean. He spent most of his youth in St. Croix and then snuck into the American Colony, the continental states, ILLEGALLY at age 17. He later worked hard! He not only fought the British as a soldier, but also against the brutality of slavery. He saw the inhumane treatment of African slaves in the Caribbean, and guess what? They let him stay here. He shaped the future of our American Economy to the world class economy that it is today.

Many of these immigrants have the potential to be doctors, lawyers and teachers, also. They should have the chance and you should be comfortable with that. What ever happened to: "Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free... Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me...?"

SOLUTION:

This is as close as this EDitor gets to agreeing with President George Bush (43). Ironically, the conscienceless Republicans are angry with him for suggesting an humane solution.

I propose we give all those who are here now, 60 or 90 days to get fingerprinted and registered with some sort of social security number, and a way to prove residence. Perhaps we should require an American to agree to employ them, a sponsor if you will. That sponsorship would require those who employ these people certain minimal and HUMANE accommodations. No trees or bridges to live under.

This would not give anyone citizenship until they are here, problem-free, for 10 years, paying taxes and receiving lower wages. That is a win-win situation. It is good for the economy and provides a safe means to stay in this country. Those who wish to come here to work could also be allowed on a special work visa. This also guts the immoral business of the "coyote," who smuggle humans, often endangering them. Maybe this would deter American Companies from outsourcing jobs to China, India and Indonesia.

Rip-off Report assisting those less fortunate..

This EDitor and some of his volunteers work for solutions, not just complain about the problems. We talk with the workers and warn them about behaviors that may get them into trouble. We hand out fliers, printed in Spanish, warning them that some of their customs may actually land them in jail; like peeing on the side of a building or spitting or walking into the street to get work. We also tell them not to bunch up; keep to only two in a group because of the obvious excuse for the police to arrest them.

UNSCRUPULOUS EMPLOYERS TAKING ADVANTAGE OF ILLEGALS

The next issue that needs a solution is the punishment of the unscrupulous employers. They must be forced to be fair. It only stands to reason that if they can justify breaking the law to make a living, then they will probably break other rules. In fact, this class of people are often guilty of not paying agreed upon wages, even though the labor is a steal of a deal anyway. Often, East Valley Phoenix ranchers, Farmers, landscape companies, and contractors work the illegals for a week or a month and then drop them off in the middle of nowhere, and tell them to take off and if they show up again they will call "le migre" (immigration).

I, ED Magedson personally go out every week handing out flyers and counsel these workers to carry pencils and paper. They are advised to write down the times and types of labor performed, the addresses where they worked and the license plates of the vehicles that transported them.

We counsel them that even though they are not here legally that it is against the law for these people not to pay them. It is theft of service. Rip-off Report offers them a free service in helping them to get their money owed, in some cases we have involved the police to hold them accountable for these crimes. Going after the companies and individuals with out the assistance of the police or the courts is defiantly quicker.. The companies realize once we contact them, if they were to go to court, it would mean treble damages for not paying their workers.

In the end, Brian, these are human beings and we have a responsibility to maintain a standard of behavior that demonstrates that we are determined to uphold the rights of all people. Examine our fundamental documents which established our nation. In the Declaration of Independence it says: "...We hold these truths to be self evident that ALL men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of Happiness."

Brian, I added the capitalization of the word "ALL" for emphasis. It does not exclude Mexicans, Central or South Americans. It does not exclude Africans, Chinese or Jews; however, it includes everyone. The sooner we get that, the sooner we will start treating each other properly. I would suggest that anyone who does not agree with this doctrine are not truly American and should probably repatriate, not the illegal immigrants who actually subscribe to our American doctrine.

Thank you,

ED Magedson
EDitor@RipoffReport.com
badbusinessbureau.com
www.ripoffreport.com

We are not lawyers.
We are not a collection agency.

We are Consumer Advocates.
...the victims' advocate

WE are Civil and Human Rights Activists

We are a Nationwide Consumer Reporting News Agency
...by consumers, for consumers
Respond to this report!
What's this?

#381 Author of original report

..EDitor's Comments: CROSSING A BORDER ILLEGALLY SEEMS PRETTY HARMLESS TO ME. CERTAINLY NOT WORTH A FELONY.. Alexander Hamilton WAS AN ILLEGAL ALIEN

AUTHOR: ED - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Wednesday, March 29, 2006
EDitor's Comment

Brian, you just don't get it, do you. Since they are here in the USA, they should not be allowed to be treated like animals. Punct, period. It doesn't matter what you think life is like where they came from. I thought we got over that mentality when we realized slavery was wrong.

I just checked the same location this past weekend, that I reported on a number of years ago. (see the photos at the beginning of this Report) ..also new photo's below.

Below you can see this builder is clearly advertising for Spanish workers. Nothing about experience here?. Wonder if they are paid on the books? All the workers walk or ride their bikes from down the street about a half a mile away from the bushes and trees they live in. These workers live in the trees you see at the very top of the page and in the areas pictured below under this bridge. Those photo's at the top of this Report were taken 3 years ago, those living quarters at the top of the page still exist today, some workers live there and work here and for other builders in the area. Many of the workers that lived in the groves also worked in the grove, now they work building the homes as these lands get sold off to builders. Once the groves are gone, and the homes are all built, these workers will be used for our car washes and other jobs Americans will never do.

The bridge below is one of the better places these works can live. They do not have to worry about tarps blowing away to protect them from the rain. Local residents and the authorities know they live here. Anyone can see them walking with their groceries into the bushes and no one seems to care.


It is estimated by one law enforcement officer that there are more than 400 illegals living and working in this particular area, mostly working in the Groves or building homes. According to authorities there are no problems with crime involving the illegals. A few occasional drunks have been detained for public intoxication. The illegals do not have a reputation for causing any problems according to the police officer we spoke with.

Neither you, nor any politician can understand how dire their situation is unless they go and see these accommodations for themselves. Yes, illegals are still there, even a lot more of them, growing every day and they are not going away. That is the reality of the situation. Their situation is the same, with a lot more makeshift housing, if you want to call it that. Sanitation is still not available and with the drought, water is rarely available in the canals. These people depend on that water in which to bathe and wash their clothes.

Now, here's the real kicker... Not only are many of them still working in the fields, and although they seem to have received a raise (from $70 to $150 a week), they are being worked harder than their American counterpart field workers; about 10 hours a day, 6 or 7 days a week.

Most of the people I talked with are working on new home construction in the Phoenix East Valley, which are being sold for over $400,000 just down the street from their enclave. The wages the home builders are paying these illegals is between $5 to $8 per hour, doing the same work gringos are being paid $17 to $32 per hour to accomplish. Now tell me, who is the bad guy here?!

Brian, this could be you, maybe in your next life. One never knows what bad luck may be in store for any of us. Put yourself in the place of these illegals. Almost every culture advises us to treat others as we would wish to be treated. Just imagine your family is poor, no work because your country sucks and there is no assistance they can provide for you. Brian, wouldn't you do absolutely anything possible to save your loved ones from hunger and then to help them achieve their dreams?

CROSSING A BORDER ILLEGALLY SEEMS PRETTY HARMLESS TO ME. CERTAINLY NOT WORTH A FELONY..

So, what is so bad about what these people are trying to do? They jump a fence or swim a river that we as Americans cannot or choose not to protect. Do you think this is by mistake? Is it because we, as Americans, are so inefficient to properly protect our borders? Or is it because our economy really depends on these unique hard workers? No matter what you want to believe, they got here and we have jobs for them because unscrupulous home builders, farmers and ranchers are greedy enough and would rather break the law to enlarge their already overpriced product margin. These unscrupulous companies do not care about the quality of the homes they are selling, using substandard materials and employing these people illegally, to do the work they are not properly trained to do. To top it off, these home builders know d**n well the Hispanic workers they are employing are not only illegal but that they are living in the trees like animals!

The builders and the farmers that employ these people... they are the scum who you should decry, not the illegal immigrants, who are the victims, stuck in the middle between to governmental policies; US policy, which purports to not want them here illegally, and the Mexican policy, which encourages them to sneak over the border. By the way, Mexicans are not the only ones here, there are also a large number of Guatemalan, El Salvadorian, Ecuadorian and Costa Rican immigrants here. Most of them do not want to stay here; they just want to make enough money to buy their own land, which must be 100% paid for up front.

There are many employers that do treat illegal workers properly, having them do work we all know most people, even Brian, would never do. American workers willing to take these jobs, like landscaping in 120 degree weather, would never be as reliable or as hard working as these poor illegals coming over our borders from our neighbors to the south.

Is our US Government so inefficient they can't stop this? If we really wanted to stop it, we could. This has been no mistake. This is all a matter of economics for the American economy. We "allow" it because it actually is good for our economy. It keeps the price of our fruits and vegetables low.

Alexander Hamilton WAS AN ILLEGAL ALIEN

Now that we have addressed the subject of our economy, I want you to take your wallet out, Brian. Look at a $10 bill... on the front. Do you know who that man is? Yes, he is Alexander Hamilton. Do you know anything about him? He was born in Charles Town on the island of Nevis in the Caribbean. He spent most of his youth in St. Croix and then snuck into the American Colony, the continental states, ILLEGALLY at age 17. He later worked hard! He not only fought the British as a soldier, but also against the brutality of slavery. He saw the inhumane treatment of African slaves in the Caribbean, and guess what? They let him stay here. He shaped the future of our American Economy to the world class economy that it is today.

Many of these immigrants have the potential to be doctors, lawyers and teachers, also. They should have the chance and you should be comfortable with that. What ever happened to: "Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free... Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me...?"

SOLUTION:

This is as close as this EDitor gets to agreeing with President George Bush (43). Ironically, the conscienceless Republicans are angry with him for suggesting an humane solution.

I propose we give all those who are here now, 60 or 90 days to get fingerprinted and registered with some sort of social security number, and a way to prove residence. Perhaps we should require an American to agree to employ them, a sponsor if you will. That sponsorship would require those who employ these people certain minimal and HUMANE accommodations. No trees or bridges to live under.

This would not give anyone citizenship until they are here, problem-free, for 10 years, paying taxes and receiving lower wages. That is a win-win situation. It is good for the economy and provides a safe means to stay in this country. Those who wish to come here to work could also be allowed on a special work visa. This also guts the immoral business of the "coyote," who smuggle humans, often endangering them. Maybe this would deter American Companies from outsourcing jobs to China, India and Indonesia.

Rip-off Report assisting those less fortunate..

This EDitor and some of his volunteers work for solutions, not just complain about the problems. We talk with the workers and warn them about behaviors that may get them into trouble. We hand out fliers, printed in Spanish, warning them that some of their customs may actually land them in jail; like peeing on the side of a building or spitting or walking into the street to get work. We also tell them not to bunch up; keep to only two in a group because of the obvious excuse for the police to arrest them.

UNSCRUPULOUS EMPLOYERS TAKING ADVANTAGE OF ILLEGALS

The next issue that needs a solution is the punishment of the unscrupulous employers. They must be forced to be fair. It only stands to reason that if they can justify breaking the law to make a living, then they will probably break other rules. In fact, this class of people are often guilty of not paying agreed upon wages, even though the labor is a steal of a deal anyway. Often, East Valley Phoenix ranchers, Farmers, landscape companies, and contractors work the illegals for a week or a month and then drop them off in the middle of nowhere, and tell them to take off and if they show up again they will call "le migre" (immigration).

I, ED Magedson personally go out every week handing out flyers and counsel these workers to carry pencils and paper. They are advised to write down the times and types of labor performed, the addresses where they worked and the license plates of the vehicles that transported them.

We counsel them that even though they are not here legally that it is against the law for these people not to pay them. It is theft of service. Rip-off Report offers them a free service in helping them to get their money owed, in some cases we have involved the police to hold them accountable for these crimes. Going after the companies and individuals with out the assistance of the police or the courts is defiantly quicker.. The companies realize once we contact them, if they were to go to court, it would mean treble damages for not paying their workers.

In the end, Brian, these are human beings and we have a responsibility to maintain a standard of behavior that demonstrates that we are determined to uphold the rights of all people. Examine our fundamental documents which established our nation. In the Declaration of Independence it says: "...We hold these truths to be self evident that ALL men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of Happiness."

Brian, I added the capitalization of the word "ALL" for emphasis. It does not exclude Mexicans, Central or South Americans. It does not exclude Africans, Chinese or Jews; however, it includes everyone. The sooner we get that, the sooner we will start treating each other properly. I would suggest that anyone who does not agree with this doctrine are not truly American and should probably repatriate, not the illegal immigrants who actually subscribe to our American doctrine.

Thank you,

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#380 Consumer Comment

And why did they come here again?

AUTHOR: Brian - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Monday, March 27, 2006

In response to the original post, lets assume everything you say is true...All I can say is that's just plain terrible! Unbelievable how these people are being abused and taken advantage of. Ending up homeless, being paid substandard wages, working 12 and 14 hours a day!

I'm sorry but Americans are just plain nasty, dirty, mean people to take advantage of and abuse these people who FLED ANOTHER COUNTRY ALONG WITH A FEW MILLION OTHERS BECAUSE THEIR COUNTRY IS A FRIGGIN' DISASTER AREA AND SH*T HOLE AND AMERICA IS HEAVEN COMPARED TO WHAT THEY LEFT. Get it?! They know where the border is if they decide thay can't take the abuse any longer.

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#379 Consumer Comment

And why did they come here again?

AUTHOR: Brian - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Monday, March 27, 2006

In response to the original post, lets assume everything you say is true...All I can say is that's just plain terrible! Unbelievable how these people are being abused and taken advantage of. Ending up homeless, being paid substandard wages, working 12 and 14 hours a day!

I'm sorry but Americans are just plain nasty, dirty, mean people to take advantage of and abuse these people who FLED ANOTHER COUNTRY ALONG WITH A FEW MILLION OTHERS BECAUSE THEIR COUNTRY IS A FRIGGIN' DISASTER AREA AND SH*T HOLE AND AMERICA IS HEAVEN COMPARED TO WHAT THEY LEFT. Get it?! They know where the border is if they decide thay can't take the abuse any longer.

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#378 Consumer Comment

And why did they come here again?

AUTHOR: Brian - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Monday, March 27, 2006

In response to the original post, lets assume everything you say is true...All I can say is that's just plain terrible! Unbelievable how these people are being abused and taken advantage of. Ending up homeless, being paid substandard wages, working 12 and 14 hours a day!

I'm sorry but Americans are just plain nasty, dirty, mean people to take advantage of and abuse these people who FLED ANOTHER COUNTRY ALONG WITH A FEW MILLION OTHERS BECAUSE THEIR COUNTRY IS A FRIGGIN' DISASTER AREA AND SH*T HOLE AND AMERICA IS HEAVEN COMPARED TO WHAT THEY LEFT. Get it?! They know where the border is if they decide thay can't take the abuse any longer.

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#377 Consumer Comment

And why did they come here again?

AUTHOR: Brian - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Monday, March 27, 2006

In response to the original post, lets assume everything you say is true...All I can say is that's just plain terrible! Unbelievable how these people are being abused and taken advantage of. Ending up homeless, being paid substandard wages, working 12 and 14 hours a day!

I'm sorry but Americans are just plain nasty, dirty, mean people to take advantage of and abuse these people who FLED ANOTHER COUNTRY ALONG WITH A FEW MILLION OTHERS BECAUSE THEIR COUNTRY IS A FRIGGIN' DISASTER AREA AND SH*T HOLE AND AMERICA IS HEAVEN COMPARED TO WHAT THEY LEFT. Get it?! They know where the border is if they decide thay can't take the abuse any longer.

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#376 Consumer Comment

Sad...

AUTHOR: Chayo - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Monday, March 20, 2006

Ok, I read only a handful of the comments posted on here but I wanted to share my opinion on this. My husband and I hired several immigrants to work on our house in California. We needed things done like painting, cleaning, electrical help etc..We had just purchased the property months before.

We drove up to a Home Depot and the workers approached the car. My husband speaks spanish. He asked them if they knew how to paint and if they had any handy man experience. They all said "yes". We were providing transportation indefinitely and lunch only for the first day. The drive was about an hour and a half so we advised them to bring water and their own lunch for the next day. However, the first day was horrible. The workers did not know how to do any of the tasks that we asked them in the beginning. They were singing and dancing in the empty apartments. I was kinda upset! All of the hispanic/mexican people I knew were hard workers!! but these men were younger (maybe that made a difference)...anyways. We paid them $10 an hour because we thought that was fair for 8 hours a day. At the end of the day on the way home, one of the men asked my husband if he could pay more money for the kind of work they were doing. Keep in mind, my husband had already brought them lunch, paid them in advance, and let them take extensive breaks. Even when he caught them dancing and singing, he ignored it! I told my husband to fire them and hire more people who seriously wanted to work.

We picked up 4 other workers 2 days later and again, the same thing!...they didnt want to work!! No one should be mistreated or taken advantage of, but I feel like we were taken advantage of. Those few workers make it bad for people who are truly in need of work.

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#375 Consumer Comment

Completely agree with Nancy - the "legal" immigratants cannot earn below the minimum wage

AUTHOR: NotApplicable - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Saturday, March 04, 2006

You made great points. However, the "legal" immigratants cannot earn below the minimum wage (as they may complain and get the employer shut down, tax-paying legal citizen can SUE!)
...USA has been built up by immigrants, but yes every country imposes restriction barriers on it.

It IS a law.. that you must be "welcomed" legally into the US, and thus "illegal" immigrants NEEEEEED to be kicked off and reduce the poverty line of LEGAL citizens who have no income in this country.

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#374 Consumer Comment

Illegal is illegal. Why is this even debated?

AUTHOR: Nancy - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Friday, March 03, 2006

I have seen numerous articles touting how we should allow any illegal Hispanic immigrant who wants to be here to, well, be here. Well, first of all, for all of you promoting this view, I'm afraid you're being INCREDIBLY closed-minded and selfish. You forget about all of the people that this affects who are law-abiding citizens. No, this won't be an argument you've read before, so read carefully. First of all, I'd like to ask you why you're giving preferential treatment to illegal immigrants from Central and South America. There are plenty of illegal immigrants from other countries that are regularly expelled, who hold down less than minimum wage jobs, but who don't seem to garner your sympathy or support. Why? Because they aren't Hispanic! How about the "rounding up" of middle eastern people during the Iraq war? Did anyone not find it ironic that the same people who shout for illegal immigrant rights were telling them to go back to their country of origin? I guess allowing people to break our immigration laws only applies to CERTAIN people. Last time I checked, THAT was called racism.

As for people who say we NEED ILLEGAL immigrants to work for less than minimum wage jobs, I say to you you're wrong. There are plenty of LEGAL immigrants that would love to fill that role. These people apply LEGALLY for citizenship/residency status, but are denied because of quotas. On the other hand, Hispanics can flood across the border, openly defiant of our immigration laws, and you defend their right to do so. That makes no sense. We have a considerable pool of people willing to follow our laws and migrate here legally for these jobs, but you tell them that because they try to come here legally, they don't deserve special treatment. On the other hand, if you try to come here illegally and flout our laws, we welcome you with open arms. That makes NO SENSE whatsoever!!!!

Another consideration here is that those that defend the rights of illegal immigrants to be here are generally not affected by their presence. My neighborhood has become 50% Hispanic, mostly illegal Mexican immigrants. It was once a nice working class neighborhood, clean and quiet. Now, houses are packed with 30+ people in an 1100 sq. ft. home, the neighborhood is dirty, there is graffiti everywhere, and crime has increased dramatically. What happens when someone who is illegal breaks the law? They aren't in the system, so there's no way to know who they really are. Often they make up a name, or tell police officers that they don't have identification or don't speak Spanish. Because officers don't want to deal with this, they let them go. Now, illegal immigrants, because they have no documentation, are ABOVE the law. They openly tout this fact, too. What's great is when I see bumper stickers that say "You're on MEXICAN land". Yes, well, it seems no one wants to fight for MY rights as a TAXPAYING LEGAL citizen, so that bumper sticker may be true in some ways.

What makes me the angriest is when people say you are racist because you think immigration laws should be enforced EVEN HANDEDLY. Well, those people are obviously ignorant of the fact that EVERY country has immigration laws, and these are NECESSARY and BENEFICIAL to the country. By not enforcing those laws, you are telling me that, as a taxpaying citizen who follows all laws, I'm the dummy.

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#373 Consumer Comment

"ILLEGAL" Immigrants says it all

AUTHOR: E - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Friday, March 03, 2006

If they are ILLEGAL they only have to obey the law and that will solve the problem. i don't see anyone forcing them to stay here. In fact, i know of NO ONE who ants them here except other illegals and latinos who THINK they have a stake in this country ! Go home or be taken advantage of !! Can't take the heat, get out of the kitchen ! Run for the border, the OTHER way !!! Personally I feel NOTHING for their sorry asses but amusement when they get caught and disgust when they take advantage of our kindness. ever count how many on AMW(americas most wanted) are Illegal Immigrants !!!!! It's time we all followed that families example. They should be given medals !!!

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#372 Consumer Comment

Rebuttal to the above rebuttal that was my rebuttal of the original rebuttal.

AUTHOR: Aaron - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Friday, March 03, 2006

Just thought that I should include a few additional remarks about the basic point of this article that I so ignorantly ignored.

I agree with the originator of this article. Illegal aliens have been given basic human rights within our country that should not be ignored. I do not advocate illegal activity but on the other hand even criminals are treated humanly under the blanket of our democracy. The aliens rights should be protected and enforced.

Immigration can not be fixed over night. Nor should we give up all hope of reforming the problem. A wall on the border would help a great deal to slow trafficking but would not entirely solve the problem.

Increased border security would also help but not solve the problem either.

These illegal workers being mistreeted in Arizona, contrary to popular belief on this forum, can not be returned to their native country. Why? you ask. Well my dear reader I will explain.

The laws of immigration within the United States are so complex that many immigration judges in the south west, bleeding hearted judges, have no idea of the consequences of their actions.

If one state(mainly the ninth district),((That's California for those that didn't know)) has immigration judges that prosecute federal or local law enforcement or accept preposterous claims then other states follow and our immigration laws become corrupt.

The truth of the matter is that these illegal manual laborers in Arizona honestly suffer from our corrupt laws that protect the illegality of their entry, the illegality of their employment and the illegality of them residing within the United States.

I am not saying that their is not an answer to the problem, I am only stating that it will not be an easy one.

I love my country. I agree with closing our porus borders. I also agree with the laws of humanity. Keeping illegal aliens out is more humane that destroying our country by letting them in illegally with limited rights to protect them.

Just saying ship ILLEGAL ALIENS BACK, or BLAME THE MORMONS (what ever that means), is not enough and only proves ignorance.

CLOSE THE BORDERS!
THROUGH DOING THE FOLLOWING:

1)SUPPORT YOUR LOCAL LAW ENFORCEMENT!
2)SUPPORT FEDERAL FUNDING TO CLOSE THE BORDERS!
3)VOTE! FOR OFFICIALS THAT WILL MAKE CHANGE!
4)SUPPORT INCREASED BORDER SECURITY!
5)EDUCATE YOURSELF ON IMMIGRATION LAW!
6)EDUACTE YOURSELF ON TRUE HISPANIC CULTURE!

After all that, stand with me and respond to a few forums to educate others.

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#371 Consumer Suggestion

While living on the border I personally have witnessed bad border behavior that includes the following

AUTHOR: Aaron - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Thursday, March 02, 2006

I just wanted to respond to this massive thred. It is cool that this many people are so interested in Migrant Workers. This is my take. I will try to keep it clean and strictly factual.

While living on the border I personally have witnessed bad border behavior that includes the following:

1) Mexican citizens(Legal Border Crossers) due attend schools in the United States for free, (and yes, I know how it is done and I am very educated on the matter of illegal immigration but no, I will not state in this thred how it is done. I don't wish to support how illegal activity is done, so you are welcome to bash but remember I AM educated on the entire subject of illegal immigration and live in it first hand.) and I and my neighbors front the bill through property taxes.

2) Illegal aliens do not pay out of state tuition at many universities within the United States. They can file for scholarships and are frequently granted them due to minority status and income. Explain away how this can happen in a city that is populated primarily by hispanics. They are also frequently granted redused tuition due to their low to no income clamed on student registration papers and no back ground can be checked on a person that doesn't exist.

3) The United States Government fronts the bill for illegal immigrants that are injured during their migration. The tab gets so large at times that many hospitals close prior to recovering the loss. Any injured illegal immigrant will be granted care in this country due to the humanity of our laws. That is a fact. The other sad but true fact is that you, the reader of this article, and I, and my neighbors front the bill in federal taxes. The closing of hospitals becomes a problem when you or I go to get medical treatment and limited competition exists. It all snow balls into a massive problem, but I will go on.

4) Crime, ouch, a touchy subject. Some argue that crime isn't a big deal on the border. Don't even go there. Remember, I live on the border. I, as well as local or federal authorities can vouch that the crime rate has increased in the past 10 years involving illegal immigrants. I'm only talking about the minor stuff. The deaths. The rapes. The agrivated assualts. All these are not reported as illegal activity because they commit the crimes and flee to Mexico. The arguement that these are not migrant workers is unfounded. If your job is theivery, murder, or rape were would you go, in your own back yard or across the border to the land of the free?

5) Drug trafficking across our borders is at an all time high. Billions of dollars are spent every year toward the control and prevention of drug trafficking. When federal funding is cut, and it happens more often than not, our local organizations take the brunt and are cut off. I would rather a thousand illegal jobs were lost and my produce prices went up than my local narcotics task force suffer from lack of funding. Believe it. It happens and has recently happened.

6) Understaffed local law enforcement are unable to deal with all reported occurrences or law violations and locals suffer the brunt. Traffic violations go unchecked and car insurance fruad runs rampant.

7) Fraudulent documents, lead to identity theft. Identity theft leads to higher taxes to cover the cost. Taxes turned to identity theft come from other allocations and folks wonder why the national deficit is so high. Look into the cost illegal immigration has on our government.

8) Last but not least, illegal immigration is just that, ILLEGAL. A crime is a crime no matter how much you sugar coat it. Illegal immigration and illegal trafficking go hand in hand. When you associate with criminals in a criminal act you become a criminal. So, all illegal aliens are criminals, no matter if they pick fruit and don't do drugs. No matter if they clean a rich woman's home and don't kill anybody, they are still criminals.

Also, as a side note, the fasted growing hispanic gang and classified as the most dangerous of all hispanic gangs is the Mara Salvatrucha, MS13, MS12, and/or ELMS (East Los Angeles Mara Salvatrucha). This gang delves in Alien Trafficking. They brag of dealings with Al-qaida, and drug dealers and have no fear of local law enforcement and Federal Agents. Illegal immigration pays for one of the most secretive, lucrative, and evil gangs within the United States.

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#370 Consumer Comment

OK Matt! NO WAY should the TAXPAYERS subsidize the profit of WAL-MART

AUTHOR: Steve - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Monday, February 27, 2006

Matt,

You still cannot read, and still have no grasp on the actual economics here.

First of all, labor cost is only a small part of the total price of a product. Very small.

Any product has to be competitive in the marketplace. That is common sense, but there are numerous other places to make that adjustment in overhead.

Once upon a time, there ws a Union trucking company that paid a starting wage for dock workers and yardman of just over $13/hr in 1987. Directly across the street was a non union company that paid a starting wage of $7 for the same exact job. Guess what? The cost to the customer to ship the very same freight was EXACTLY the SAME!

This is just one example.

Wages are a very small part of the price of a product.

And, in NO WAY should the TAXPAYERS subsidize the profit of WAL-MART! They need to pay a living wage and benefits to all employees.

And ILLEGALS can work the 40 hours you want! On the road gang.

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#369 Consumer Comment

Robert, I am correct!! people like you do more damage to our economy than the poor illegal immigrants

AUTHOR: Matt - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Monday, February 27, 2006

Steve, I know about our economy more that what you think. I know people like you do more damage to our economy than the poor illegal immigrants for example. Smart people do not hate immigrants. I know republicans damage our economy by spending 10 times more money in weapons and war than in healthcare.

You said something about Wal-Mart. I agree with you, and if you really know something about the economy you should know that there will always be the poor and the rich. What the rich, like Wal-Mart, are doing is taking advantage of the poor. However, without Wal-Mart you would be paying higher prices for everything. Wal-Mart put pressure on all other stores. Other stores have to lower the prices because of Wal-Mart competition. At the end, the consumers benefit from that. Everything is on balance. You can't have something without losing another. If you get rid of Wal-Mart, we are going to end up with some better jobs, but the cost of merchandise will rise too and the purchase power of the Americans would not be as it is now.

That is the same for people who complaint about Chinese imports. Without the Chinese imports American manufacturers would prey on people like you and me by raising their prices very high. Chinese imports put pressure on American manufacturers and that is why we have low prices. If we stop the trade with China, we would have more jobs, and better wages, but the prices of everything would go up, and the purchase power of Americans would not be as it is now.

You may think that at the end it would be the same, and that it would be better not to trade with anyone if we come out to be in the same position. Well, that is not true. To answer that question I would recommend you to take a Macroeconomics class in a local College or University. There, you will learn about the benefits of trade.

Globalization is taking over the world, and if we isolate ourselves from the rest of the world we are going to end up losing the benefits of trade. There is no way to stop that. It was written in the bible. One government will rule the Earth.

Because of that, American rich will become richer, and the middle class will become poorer. The rich are the ones who benefit more from sending the jobs overseas.

There are better things to take care about than illegal aliens. At this point, they benefit us all. In the future, we may be the ones picking tomatoes and oranges for 5 dollars an hour because those will be the only jobs left for us here in America. If government pushes employers to pay higher wages, they will simply send the jobs overseas.

My point here is that illegal aliens are not lowering our living standards. Without them, our living standards will be worse because prices will be higher too. For example, Americans would accept to pick oranges only if they pay them 20 dollars an hour. That is going to get the orange prices up!! Everything is going to go up, so where is the increase of our standard of living? We make more, but we pay more.

Robert, I see you have credible facts. I understand what you say, and I believe part of what you say. However, the benefits given to American citizens not to illegal aliens. Even if you consider those American citizens as illegal aliens too, you cannot compare the benefits they get with the benefits lazy Americans get. What about single male aliens? What about non-pregnant females? Do they have benefits? In addition, the benefits handled to them are not food stamps. I know they can get Medicaid, but not food stamps.

American Citizens who don't work or do anything can get all that and more without restrictions. I think that is worse. If an illegal alien can come here and find a job of at least 5 dollars an hour, why would an American citizen not find a job? There is not such a thing as that in America. That is laziness, and those are the ones we should send somewhere far from here.

I work hard everyday, and I do not like to see other people in their home doing nothing. I would not say anything if they would at least work their 40 hours a week. Illegal aliens work 40 hours a week or more, and you have to give them credit for that.

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#368 Consumer Comment

They can, and DO get food stamps

AUTHOR: Robert - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Sunday, February 26, 2006

"There is no way they can get food stamps, period!!"

Unfortunately for you, that is incorrect.

According to the Federal Government's own website, they are. Many of them come here pregnant. While the parents are still considered ILLEGAL, the children born to them, using US taxpayer money, are now US Citizens. Now, the children are fully qualified for ALL Government handouts. ALL of them.

And since the children need someone to take care of them, who do you suppose the funds go to? If you guessed the ILLEGAL immigrant parents, then you win the prize.

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#367 Consumer Comment

They can, and DO get food stamps

AUTHOR: Robert - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Sunday, February 26, 2006

"There is no way they can get food stamps, period!!"

Unfortunately for you, that is incorrect.

According to the Federal Government's own website, they are. Many of them come here pregnant. While the parents are still considered ILLEGAL, the children born to them, using US taxpayer money, are now US Citizens. Now, the children are fully qualified for ALL Government handouts. ALL of them.

And since the children need someone to take care of them, who do you suppose the funds go to? If you guessed the ILLEGAL immigrant parents, then you win the prize.

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#366 Consumer Comment

They can, and DO get food stamps

AUTHOR: Robert - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Sunday, February 26, 2006

"There is no way they can get food stamps, period!!"

Unfortunately for you, that is incorrect.

According to the Federal Government's own website, they are. Many of them come here pregnant. While the parents are still considered ILLEGAL, the children born to them, using US taxpayer money, are now US Citizens. Now, the children are fully qualified for ALL Government handouts. ALL of them.

And since the children need someone to take care of them, who do you suppose the funds go to? If you guessed the ILLEGAL immigrant parents, then you win the prize.

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#365 Consumer Comment

They can, and DO get food stamps

AUTHOR: Robert - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Sunday, February 26, 2006

"There is no way they can get food stamps, period!!"

Unfortunately for you, that is incorrect.

According to the Federal Government's own website, they are. Many of them come here pregnant. While the parents are still considered ILLEGAL, the children born to them, using US taxpayer money, are now US Citizens. Now, the children are fully qualified for ALL Government handouts. ALL of them.

And since the children need someone to take care of them, who do you suppose the funds go to? If you guessed the ILLEGAL immigrant parents, then you win the prize.

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Matt, let me clear up some confusion on your part.

AUTHOR: Steve - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Sunday, February 26, 2006

First of all, I do not hate immigrants. I hate illegal immigrants. A very big difference.

Second, in this instance, FAKE SS# and STOLEN SS# mean exactly the same thing for the practical purpose of obtaing benefits.

You knowledge of how the economy actually works is very limited.

Even if all of these immigrants were given worker status, they would most likely still be working for far less than a "living wage" which means the taxpayer would be paying for all of the social services they would now get legally.

This is what happened to our economy with the boom of Wal-Mart. Most of Wal-Marts employees are on some type of public assistance that we are paying for.

Every job that is created under the living wage standard hurts our economy, and drives the average wage down even further. The pore people you have willing to work for nothing, enables employers to offer jobs that pay nothing.

I do not want to lower our standard of living to that of Mexico. That is where we are headed.

WAKE UP!!!!

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#363 Consumer Comment

Good point Mark!!

AUTHOR: Matt - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Saturday, February 25, 2006

I want to respond to Steve.

Steve, first you said they have fake SS numbers, now you say they have stolen SS numbers. I think you are confused. That just proves to me that you do not know anything about the illegal aliens. No matter what I say, you will always come with another excuse to accuse that poor hard working people. I understand that there may be some of them who are not good for our society, but don't blame all of them. A good thing to do would be to deport all the bad ones, and legalize all the good hard working, law-abiding people in this country.

If your neighbors get food stamps and if they get all kind of welfare that is because they are legal immigrants. Legal immigrants have almost all the rights of an American Citizen. Do not confuse a legal immigrant with an illegal immigrant. How do you know your neighbors are illegal aliens? You just assumed that right? You are blaming the wrong people. You cannot accuse people without proof.

There is no way they can get food stamps, period!!

Coming to America legally means they come here the easy way. They have the right to get government assistance, and if they want to, they can cheat the system. If people risk their lives to come here to have a better life, they probably have the desire of working hard. Illegal aliens work hard because they came here the hard way. They do not risk their lives in vane.

Steve I am tired of writing to you because I know you will never understand. You are the way you are, and you will make 1000 excuses. Nobody is going to change you because the truth is you hate immigrants. If illegal aliens go away, you are going to complaint about other people. That is something that will never end. God knows what you are doing, and you will be judged for what you do one day. You have hate in your heart and that is not good my friend.

Mike,

I understand exactly what you say. The government makes too hard for people to come here legally. That is why they come here illegally because they have no hope to do it the legal way.

There is something important in what you said. You said it would be better if they spend the money here in America. Nobody is going to buy a house, or invest in America when they know they may be deported anytime. The Mexican president said he was pleased with the immigration reform proposed by president Bush because it was for temporary visas only. He said something like this:

If the USA grants them permanent resident status to Mexican illegal aliens, they will be able to bring their immediate families there. Without immediate families here in Mexico, they will not send any more money, which is one of the biggest income of the Mexican economy.

More money spent in the USA means more jobs.

You need to understand that as long as the American economy grows, we need immigrants. American families have a very low birth rate, and it is only enough to cover the jobs being left by people who retires. Who is going to fill the other jobs? A typical family has 2 children. 2 people die, 2 people born. There is no population growth for the Anglos. We need immigrants.

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There Is A Solution

AUTHOR: Mark - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Friday, February 24, 2006

There's a solution to every problem and this is a tremendous problem and embarassment. First, we need to get on the right track. Wow, was I this blinded as well? We all are focusing on what we are led to see and what we are led to believe. We are all conned by our government and the people with the money to control it.

Before I elaborate on this subject, allow me a simple example that could life some fog from our eyes. Pet's and animals were dying from drinking anti-freeze, it tasted good. What an outrage! Once this became public knowledge, laws were made and anti-freeze no longer tastes good, thus our loved pets are no longer cruelly dying from drinking the stuff. But wait, what about tobacco? We all know it is addictive, that it is bad for our health, using it is of no benefit but rather, it is detrimental. A reasonable person would think that something that kills people and serves no useful purpose would be illegal? Yet, why am I seeing my teenage daughter and her friends smoking. Because big money has big control over the government; not to mention how our government is such a tangled mess that it trips over it's own two left feet. Or are our pets worth more to us than our children?

So, back to what is the problem here? It's the USCIS and Homeland Security; allowing the people with the big bucks who want status quo to pull on their strings and set policy. Not the illegal immigrants, they are victims. What has opened my eyes? A situation like another gentleman who spoke up with a similar story to mine. I have been fighting an unseen, uncaring, bureaucracy for 8 months now trying to get a Fiance Visa for the woman I love so we can be together. This is not unreasonable, it should not be hard; but it is. The pursuit of happiness is a basic right being denied me by the USCIS for mistakes they have made, by the nightmare paperwork required (all perfectly done), and by all the fees. It's a lot less work to stamp a denied on the paperwork then for them to work it. Plus, either way it looks like they are getting things done without really needing to do much on a denial; so, which to choose for greatest looking productivety is an easy answer. I work for the government, I know.

This same barrier makes it impossible for a simple working man or woman (from anywhere) to gain legal entry to the U.S.; or, for an honest American business owner to do the right thing and document their workers. Instead of wasting our tax dollars on the circus another man spoke of (hunt them down, take them back, hunt them down again, take them back again and so on), our government should be helping these people looking for better lives, looking to earn an honest living, and looking for a piece of the pie to legally enter the U.S.; to find work, to pay taxes, and to know their rights. Just like the saying it takes money to make money; well, more jobs create more jobs.

Just imagine how things would change if they had some rights and knew what the minimum wage was and could freely report their abuse. If they made decent money and could bring their families here and spend that money in American stores and on products you've made or in your place of business. I sure believe it would be for the better of each American and for our country! That's my nickel's worth (with the length of my response, I've said more than 2 cents worth). I've written my representatives and have said as much. Let's simplify the process, control the issues, and use it to our advantage.

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#361 Consumer Comment

I do have the facts...You are confused.

AUTHOR: Steve - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Thursday, February 23, 2006

I lived in Phoenix and about half of the people I lived near had no legal status, but they all had food stamps. They all had medical care.

AND none of them have any insurance on the cars they drive. We foot the bill for that too.

I have illegals living directly behind me. They get everything.

These people get SS cards that do not belong to them. there is a big black market for stolen SS cards.

They dont verify crap here in Bradenton. You fill out the app and get the welfare.

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#360 Consumer Comment

I do have the facts...You are confused.

AUTHOR: Steve - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Thursday, February 23, 2006

I lived in Phoenix and about half of the people I lived near had no legal status, but they all had food stamps. They all had medical care.

AND none of them have any insurance on the cars they drive. We foot the bill for that too.

I have illegals living directly behind me. They get everything.

These people get SS cards that do not belong to them. there is a big black market for stolen SS cards.

They dont verify crap here in Bradenton. You fill out the app and get the welfare.

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#359 Consumer Comment

I do have the facts...You are confused.

AUTHOR: Steve - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Thursday, February 23, 2006

I lived in Phoenix and about half of the people I lived near had no legal status, but they all had food stamps. They all had medical care.

AND none of them have any insurance on the cars they drive. We foot the bill for that too.

I have illegals living directly behind me. They get everything.

These people get SS cards that do not belong to them. there is a big black market for stolen SS cards.

They dont verify crap here in Bradenton. You fill out the app and get the welfare.

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#358 Consumer Comment

I do have the facts...You are confused.

AUTHOR: Steve - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Thursday, February 23, 2006

I lived in Phoenix and about half of the people I lived near had no legal status, but they all had food stamps. They all had medical care.

AND none of them have any insurance on the cars they drive. We foot the bill for that too.

I have illegals living directly behind me. They get everything.

These people get SS cards that do not belong to them. there is a big black market for stolen SS cards.

They dont verify crap here in Bradenton. You fill out the app and get the welfare.

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#357 Consumer Comment

Wrong Answer!!!

AUTHOR: Matt - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Thursday, February 23, 2006

As I said before Steve, you need to post facts in this web site. You are either lying, or you don't know how things really work.

You said almost all illegals have fake Social Security Numbers, and you are right. That just proves that they do not qualify for food stamps. You have just cut your own throat my friend.

Do you think the Department of Children and Families in your state are brainless?

They verify Social Security numbers, and immigration status. Do you understand the word verify Steve? Or you want me to explain you what it means? Let me tall you what you can do my friend.

You can call the Department of Children and Families in Florida. 1-866-762-2237
Or you can go in person to your local service center:
Bradenton Service Center
303 East 13th Avenue
Bradenton, FL 33208

You can then ask them what the word verify means. After you do that, reply to me and I will be happy to discuss your findings. Be honest, and tell the truth, so people here can see that I don't lie. Actually, anyone is invited to call that number and ask about the issue.

If you do not like immigrants because of your ignorance just say that, but do not try to tell lies to other people. Illegal immigrants break the law I agree with you on that, but they don't do any bad to the economy as you and others have said.

There are very good chances that you and your family suck up more government assistance that illegal aliens. They just can't suck that because they are not eligible. I can almost guarantee that you fit in my anti-immigrant profile, and that is why I believe you are the one of the leeches.

Poor, Lazy, Republican, Uneducated, Racist, Living in the country, Older than 35.

You do not like Immigrants simply because you think they are competing with you in getting free stuff from the government, but you are wrong because these poor people just want to work, that is all they want.

The law says you are a criminal too, so you should be in jail. How many laws have you broken in your entire life here Steve? Everybody breaks laws man, and you are not the exception.

After you call the number I gave you, you will realize how ignorant you are. That is my way to prove you that illegal aliens can't get food stamps or Medicaid. How much money does the government spend in Medicaid for lazy Americans? I can guarantee you we suck more money in free medical services through Medicaid that the 12 million illegals. I know many American citizens that don't work or do anything productive for this country, and they don't pay a cent for medical services because Medicaid pay for them. Steve, don't tell me you don't know any people like that because you can find them anywhere. I am more worried about that kind of lazy people who don't work. The illegal aliens work hard, and any employer can tell you that. We should get rid of our own lazy people, which in my point of view are worse than the illegal aliens.

This is the American way my friends. The government punishes the hard working people, and rewards the lazy.

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Suggestion for Matt...

AUTHOR: Steve - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Thursday, February 23, 2006

I suggest that you get the facts before spouting off on something you know nothing about.

These illegals almost all have fake SS#. A SS# is all it takes to get food stamps and everything else.

Why are our medical cost so high? It is due to more than 12 MILLION illegals in this country sucking up medical services and never paying one cent.

Keep in mind that there are both state and federal welfare programs, and even some county and city programs.

All of this is irrelevant anyway.

They are ILLEGAL which makes them CRIMINALS. They need to be in jail, or deported. That is the law. They have no legal right to be here.

That is the only valid point here.

If they do not like the living and working conditions they face here, they are FREE to leave.

I will buy them the bus ticket.

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Suggestion for Matt...

AUTHOR: Steve - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Thursday, February 23, 2006

I suggest that you get the facts before spouting off on something you know nothing about.

These illegals almost all have fake SS#. A SS# is all it takes to get food stamps and everything else.

Why are our medical cost so high? It is due to more than 12 MILLION illegals in this country sucking up medical services and never paying one cent.

Keep in mind that there are both state and federal welfare programs, and even some county and city programs.

All of this is irrelevant anyway.

They are ILLEGAL which makes them CRIMINALS. They need to be in jail, or deported. That is the law. They have no legal right to be here.

That is the only valid point here.

If they do not like the living and working conditions they face here, they are FREE to leave.

I will buy them the bus ticket.

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Suggestion for Matt...

AUTHOR: Steve - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Thursday, February 23, 2006

I suggest that you get the facts before spouting off on something you know nothing about.

These illegals almost all have fake SS#. A SS# is all it takes to get food stamps and everything else.

Why are our medical cost so high? It is due to more than 12 MILLION illegals in this country sucking up medical services and never paying one cent.

Keep in mind that there are both state and federal welfare programs, and even some county and city programs.

All of this is irrelevant anyway.

They are ILLEGAL which makes them CRIMINALS. They need to be in jail, or deported. That is the law. They have no legal right to be here.

That is the only valid point here.

If they do not like the living and working conditions they face here, they are FREE to leave.

I will buy them the bus ticket.

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Suggestion for Matt...

AUTHOR: Steve - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Thursday, February 23, 2006

I suggest that you get the facts before spouting off on something you know nothing about.

These illegals almost all have fake SS#. A SS# is all it takes to get food stamps and everything else.

Why are our medical cost so high? It is due to more than 12 MILLION illegals in this country sucking up medical services and never paying one cent.

Keep in mind that there are both state and federal welfare programs, and even some county and city programs.

All of this is irrelevant anyway.

They are ILLEGAL which makes them CRIMINALS. They need to be in jail, or deported. That is the law. They have no legal right to be here.

That is the only valid point here.

If they do not like the living and working conditions they face here, they are FREE to leave.

I will buy them the bus ticket.

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#352 Consumer Comment

Food stamps? what food stamps?

AUTHOR: Matt - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Wednesday, February 22, 2006

Illegal aliens can't get food stamps who told you that? You need to educate yourselves better and find more information about the issue before you open you mouth. You need to call the social services office of your area and ask them about that. They will surely tell you that illegal aliens are not eligible for that kind of programs. They are not allowed to attend college in the United States. In a few states they are allowed to do it, but only if they pay out of state tuition. Employers take social security taxes from their paychecks, yet they do receive any social security benefits, or medicare, or medicaid. If they fill income taxes, they are not eligible to claim the earned income credit.

Most low and middle class american citizens get their federal taxes back every year. Not only the taxes paid over the year, but more that that because of the earned income credit. At the end, american citizens end up paying no taxes at all, so what taxes are you people talking about?

Most people against immigrants tend to be:

Uneducated -have not finish even high school.
Poor -lazy in most cases.
Republicans
Living outside of the cities.

American citizens can get all benefits without paying a cent in taxes, and the ones who pay do not complaint. There are a few benefits for illegals like the Emergency Services, but with the social security taxes taken from all illegals in the country, government gets all that money back and even more.

If all illegals are deported, white folks are going to have many jobs available. Of course, nobody is going to accept the minimum wage, so the farmers will have to raise the wages. Good for America right? Well I would not be so sure. How much would you have to pay for food? In order to survive, employers would have to rise the prices, and Americans would not have the same purchase power. I can assure you, you will not like that. We will have to import all food from China then, and white american employers would lose their jobs as well. No more business for them. That would create many problems and everyone of you would suffer.

I saw someone saying illegal aliens are breaking the law. Well that is right, but who have not broke the laws in this country? We all break the laws, and we are all criminals. That does not make us different that these people. We are all criminals because at some point of our lives we have done someting illegal. Even a speeding ticket makes you a criminal.

I saw someone saying that they should apply and wait in their countries to get a visa and come here legally. Let me tell you that it is impossible for most people to get an american visa. The only way to get a visa is to have family in America, who are American citizens, or marry an American. There is no way to come here legally for most people. They can wait 100 years waiting for a visa, and they will never get one. That is why they come here illegally, because there is no other way to do it legally. President Bush proposal is good because it would allow people to get temporary visas legally. People would be willing to wait 2, 5, or 10 years if they know that at the end they will get it.

The only thing I see here is a bunch of racist people who do not want to se the reality. You do not like immigrants, and you are looking for excuses to talk bad about them. No matter what they do, you will never be pleased with them. I reccomend you to seek medical help, trust me there must be something wrong in your head specially if you claim to be a Christian person. Jesus Christ is love and peace. You have hate and anger in your heart that is why you do not like anybody. I am sure you don't even like your own people, or even yourself.

Have a nice day, and please get facts before you write something against someone. Your words do not say the truth.

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Right on Nick! I've been saying that for years.

AUTHOR: Steve - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Tuesday, February 14, 2006

The entire reason we have so many illegals is due to the special interests of big business. They keep the wages down for the rest of us.

Of course no one would want to work in a field all day for $20-$50 a day and live in a cardboard box. But pay me a living wage and I'll be right there. I love working outdoors.

Anyway, the border patrol method of fighting illegals is a joke.

It is such a simple solution but no one in govt has the backbone to do it as they are sucking up to big business.

2 simple things would almost wipe out illegals:

1: Take away ALL government services to them as well as the right to any US issued ID or DL. No medical care, No food stamps, NOTHING.

2: Make it a FELONY for any person or business to hire ANY undocumented worker.

DONE! Very simple.

Illegal immigrants, are, by definition, CRIMINALS! Lets put them to work...On the ROAD GANG in AZ, and expand Sherriff Joe's Tent City to house them!

Look at the money we could save on our roads! They came here for work, let's give it too them!

I can see I need to run for President.

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#350 Consumer Comment

I'm tiring of this nonstop crap... I used to work for the United States Border Patrol. I couldnt do it....too many get mistreated.

AUTHOR: Cory - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Monday, February 13, 2006

I'm willing to bet that more than half of the people who post on this page are only doing so, because the word ILLEGAL keeps popping up....Yes, we all own dictionaries, so enough with the definition of illegal. This country is based on (whether you want to believe it or not) breaking rules for the sake of making things better. Look at our government... self explanatory. So how are you all going to sit here harping about the illegal immigrants, who for the most part, play an integral role in our economy? What about the "war" we're fighting in Iraq, that had no basis whatsoever? No justification, yet we've sent our troops over, and are losing them on a daily basis. For what?? A HUNCH? Yet you sit here and say that illegal immigrants are this and that... Illegal immigration has been here longer than any of us would like to think, and will be here for as long as people walk this earth. Nothing is ever going to be done to STOP it. Slow it down, maybe....but it will never end. As far as one of those comments goes from earlier, shooting them and throwin em back over the wall isnt gonna stop it. Its gonna make the problem worse... Then we'll start losing BP agents and NG to bullets. Why add fuel to the fire? Petition your state Gov't to pass legislation to help make these people legal... I know from experience, you send em back, they'll come back. Its a never ending battle for you people. You'll never stop it. Stop trying. Believe me... They ALWAYS come back.

I used to work for the United States Border Patrol. I couldnt do it....too many get mistreated. Alls that happens to them is this...
1) They get picked up and taken to the station.

2) They're put in cells, fed, fingerprinted, and have their pictures taken.

3) Loaded into a van or a bus, and dropped off at the border.

4) we watch em walk back into Mexico.

THAT'S IT! Say this happens on Friday. By monday morning, they're back where they were the day they got picked up. Its a cycle. So much money is lost on the neverending battle, its rediculous. Find another way......thats my only suggestion. FIND ANOTHER WAY!!

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Americans wouldn't do the jobs?

AUTHOR: Nick - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Monday, February 13, 2006

I love when people make that statement. Hey, I'd bust my a*s in a strawberry field, sweating for $25.00 to 35 bucks an hour. Why wouldn't I ever get PAID that much?

Americans keep getting undercut by illegals.

ILLEGALS do the job for a price that is ridiculous for Americans - because they have no choice. Stop acting like Americans are all lazy. The stupid toothless hicks in the south would do it if it wasn't for illegals.

And I'm all for putting a bunch of welfare hicks to work. Get off the dole, no matter WHAT color you are.

It's not that we wouldn't DO the jobs - it's that they don't pay enough for the amount of work. Illegals don't care, they just want some cash, so they take American's "slave" wage. Don't ask me to feel sorry that they settled for less.

I'm a son of an immigrant, but not Mexican. My father had s**t - none of this "rights" stuff you guys demand.

America IS where the poor, sick and huddled masses gather. But for safety, economic purposes etc etc etc, there is a process called LEGAL IMMIGRATION that benefits THOUSANDS of people, Mexicans included.

It IS possible, AND LIKELY that too many illegal people add an unreasonable strain on resources in a given area. I've seen NOONE who supports illegals coming in admit that. But yet, it exists. What's one more person? 100 more people? 1000 more people, 10000 more people, 1000000000 more people?

How about instead of deporting illegals, we offer the opportunity to join the armed forces for 8 years and they can "earn" their citizenship instead of waiting 10 years with no promises, AND allow them to send that check back to Mexico?

That'd make both the liberals and conservative nutjobs find a compromise.

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#348 Consumer Comment

Thta's just wonderful Carol ..It's Jabronies like you that give them all a reason to come here ILLEGALLY in the first place.

AUTHOR: Robert - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Sunday, February 12, 2006

Thanks for nothing. You just admitted to doing the exact thing that raises my taxes. Way to go.

As for the difference between getting hit by an old white lady and an ILLEGAL immigrant...if you can't figure it out, I'll clue you in. The old white lady had INSURANCE. The ILLEGAL immigrant does not.

DUUUUUUUUUUUUUHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

How do people like you survive? Simple...there's nothing left to eat you.

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#347 Consumer Comment

Sorting the issues here...Legal/Illegal, etc..

AUTHOR: Steve - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Sunday, February 12, 2006

To me, the ONLY issue is Legal vs. Illegal.

I don't care if you are hispanic, black,white...whatever. It does not matter. This is not a race thing or an insult thing. It is simple economics.

If you are here and are illegal that is the problem. It hurts everyone involved. Our social sevices cant handle the overload, and the taxpayers foot the bill.

The taxpayers foot the bill. We cannot or [will not]take care of our legal citizens!

If you are employing illegals, and not reporting and paying taxes, we all lose. AND, it IS illegal to hire an undocumented worker.

I personally like the Mexican people I know and have dealt with, and am alive only because of a Mexican neighbor. I was in an apartment fire in Phoenix and was sleeping. My apartment had flames coming in everywhere, and full of toxic smoke. Everyone else left, and this lady came upstairs thru the fire and kicked in my window and screamed at me until I got out of bed.

I feel that everyone is entitled to a better life, but please, just do it legally.

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#346 Consumer Comment

To Ian - if you read this - great input and well said.

AUTHOR: Carol - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Sunday, February 12, 2006

Ian said it best in his post so I won't even try to reiterate. The immigrants are not the problem, I hire them all the time and pay them fairly to do odd stuff around my yard. They were so happy when I brought out some beer, chips, salsa and let them listen to the boom box. They work hard and having done manual labor as a white woman hell, I know firsthand. I work with immigrants all the time in the horse world - Mexican, Guatamalan, Cuban etc. They are not all "Mexican" that's profiling and rude. They come from everywhere and like Ian said, you can't round them up and put them on a truck to Mexico, they'd have to be brought back to where they came from.

I was hit by a drunk immigrant worker once at a light and y'know, I was also hit my a damned old white lady who really could have killed me. What's worse?

My last 2cents is that "Hispanic" or "Latino" immigrants aren't the serial killers or the folks who hijacked planes in NY. Do they put a strain on the healthcare system - well yes, but so do all the unwed Mothers who are Americans and live off the access program and welfare. Shall we get rid of them too? Oh, my favorite is this: Immigrants often don't make enough to pay child support, so we throw them in jail - wards of the state got it? Old Pedro can't pay of $20K in arrears in his lifetime, so he sits in jail on our tax dollars. Brilliant!

Yeah, I'll be hiring white folks to do my yard work real soon. Got a quote from one guy who wanted $800 to do a 1 hour job that was only trimming a tiny bit of bushes, raking and hauling some leaves I raked myself. I'll tell you what, I'll go to Home Depot and pick up some workers and pay them - it will be fairly priced, well done and most of all APPRECIATED.

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To Ian - if you read this - great input and well said.

AUTHOR: Carol - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Sunday, February 12, 2006

Ian said it best in his post so I won't even try to reiterate. The immigrants are not the problem, I hire them all the time and pay them fairly to do odd stuff around my yard. They were so happy when I brought out some beer, chips, salsa and let them listen to the boom box. They work hard and having done manual labor as a white woman hell, I know firsthand. I work with immigrants all the time in the horse world - Mexican, Guatamalan, Cuban etc. They are not all "Mexican" that's profiling and rude. They come from everywhere and like Ian said, you can't round them up and put them on a truck to Mexico, they'd have to be brought back to where they came from.

I was hit by a drunk immigrant worker once at a light and y'know, I was also hit my a damned old white lady who really could have killed me. What's worse?

My last 2cents is that "Hispanic" or "Latino" immigrants aren't the serial killers or the folks who hijacked planes in NY. Do they put a strain on the healthcare system - well yes, but so do all the unwed Mothers who are Americans and live off the access program and welfare. Shall we get rid of them too? Oh, my favorite is this: Immigrants often don't make enough to pay child support, so we throw them in jail - wards of the state got it? Old Pedro can't pay of $20K in arrears in his lifetime, so he sits in jail on our tax dollars. Brilliant!

Yeah, I'll be hiring white folks to do my yard work real soon. Got a quote from one guy who wanted $800 to do a 1 hour job that was only trimming a tiny bit of bushes, raking and hauling some leaves I raked myself. I'll tell you what, I'll go to Home Depot and pick up some workers and pay them - it will be fairly priced, well done and most of all APPRECIATED.

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To Ian - if you read this - great input and well said.

AUTHOR: Carol - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Sunday, February 12, 2006

Ian said it best in his post so I won't even try to reiterate. The immigrants are not the problem, I hire them all the time and pay them fairly to do odd stuff around my yard. They were so happy when I brought out some beer, chips, salsa and let them listen to the boom box. They work hard and having done manual labor as a white woman hell, I know firsthand. I work with immigrants all the time in the horse world - Mexican, Guatamalan, Cuban etc. They are not all "Mexican" that's profiling and rude. They come from everywhere and like Ian said, you can't round them up and put them on a truck to Mexico, they'd have to be brought back to where they came from.

I was hit by a drunk immigrant worker once at a light and y'know, I was also hit my a damned old white lady who really could have killed me. What's worse?

My last 2cents is that "Hispanic" or "Latino" immigrants aren't the serial killers or the folks who hijacked planes in NY. Do they put a strain on the healthcare system - well yes, but so do all the unwed Mothers who are Americans and live off the access program and welfare. Shall we get rid of them too? Oh, my favorite is this: Immigrants often don't make enough to pay child support, so we throw them in jail - wards of the state got it? Old Pedro can't pay of $20K in arrears in his lifetime, so he sits in jail on our tax dollars. Brilliant!

Yeah, I'll be hiring white folks to do my yard work real soon. Got a quote from one guy who wanted $800 to do a 1 hour job that was only trimming a tiny bit of bushes, raking and hauling some leaves I raked myself. I'll tell you what, I'll go to Home Depot and pick up some workers and pay them - it will be fairly priced, well done and most of all APPRECIATED.

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#343 Consumer Comment

Jesus H.Christ....

AUTHOR: Cory - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Wednesday, February 08, 2006

Its been awhile since i've said anything, so let me try to catch up....FIRST of all, WETBACK is a slur. Just like n****r, Kyke, Spic, etc...Show some respect.

Second of all, if you're gonna sit here and degrade us by saying "we plop em out faster than a tortilla factory" at least try not to mispell your insults. Its "Mija" and "Mijo"...

Third, I know more white people on welfare with more kids than the Bradys than i do mexicans. Why? Because the mexicans make too much for those benifits...

and Fourth....If i see another person say they are supporting these people, taxwise, i'm gonna freaking implode. Do some goddamn research.

These people get taxed, just like the rest of us do. (EXCEPT the ones that get paid under the table.) BILLIONS of dollars, mind you, get taken from these workers a year. But, at the end of the year, goes unclaimed, because they cant FILE TAXES. They cost the state 3 BILLION dollars in unpaid medical bills, services, and benifits...yes. I wont argue with that. But the state KEEPS 5 BILLION.

To the comment about "Why dont these people think for themselves before taking that ride with the coyote?" Did it ever occur to you that alot of these people are willing to risk their lives for jobs that most of you wont do? THEIR LIVES!!! THAT'S how bad it is in Mexico. Did you know that for a worker in mexico, the average take home pay a day is $1.25? You try to live off of that. And whats with the "infested" comment? They're not insects. That comment offends me.

Brenda seems a bit TOO angry. Shooting them and throwing the bodies back over the fence?? America was NOT an english speaking country until the british came here and RAPED the natives for it... so lets not act like WHITE people are the victims here. As a matter of fact, i just read up on how we came to aqcuire most of the western US from mexico....Thieving bastards... The war itself was to defend the annexation of Texas and establish the Rio Grande as its border... But no...It couldnt POSSIBLY end there. President James "Land Hungry" Polk saw it as a way to aqcuire the MEXICAN territories of California and New Mexico. Did you know that the AMERICAN mood at the time was that of "Manifest Destiny"? For those morons out there, that is an "idea" of a "God given right to expand their territory". So, as fate would have it, once America won the war, they took California, Arizona, New Mexico, Colorado, Utah, Nevada, and Wyoming.....So, "Technically" they're not here illegaly...if they were already here, before it was "STOLEN", then I guess they sorta get "grandfathered", wouldnt you say? I mean, come on...we cant have a double standard, can we? Oh....wait....yes we can. We're AMERICA!

For the military guy....My best friend is retired navy and is pretty well off...he doesnt seem to have any issues with illegal immigration being a problem for his benifits. Seems to me like Uncle Sam is just givin you the ol' "shaft" and putting it on "Juan's" back. Lets just all put our problems on the illegal immigrant. My grandfather just died last week. I blame the mexicans. There's a fire up in Payson...I blame the mexicans. Lets just pin the entire goddamn econimical problem on them, shall we? Lets not put the blame where it DESERVES to be. Lets blame the mexicans as a whole. But I ask you this...Why should the children suffer for things done by their parents? They want to deport the US born children to a country that most of them have ever known. How is that justified? The constitution says that anybody born on US soil is a naturalized citizen of the UNITED STATES OF AMERICA. That kinda creates a problem, doesnt it?

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#342 Consumer Comment

Here's a little food for thought

AUTHOR: Carl - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Tuesday, January 24, 2006

Admittedly I have not read the entire thred. I know I should but I can imagine that it follows the same format after the first fifty or so that I did read.

First of all, let's put all the illegal and legal immigrant issued aside, and let me tell you about a socio-economic issue that I live through every single day. This has nothing to do with illegal immigrants, but rather the exact same effect that is happening in a different part of the United States.

I live in the Pocono Mountains, Pennsylvania. I have lived here my entire life and so has my mother's side for many generations and my father's for many less. He is Sicilian. Not many of us are Native Americans so I'm not whining here, just throwing out some facts.

It is no secret that the Poconos has been a resort destination for many decades, nor (correct me if I'm wrong) is it a secret that Monroe county in the Poconos is the fastest growing county in the United States.

Here is the "problem". Tens of thousands of families from New York City have moved into the Poconos for a "better life." I don't blame them. Better schools for their children, communities that aren't ridden with gangs and violence on a daily basis and a nice place to live. My father spent his childhood in a city and agrees this is far better than dealing with regular city life.

Guess what has happened here? Tens of thousands make a daily commute from the Poconos to the city EACH and EVERY day. In my younger years I would think, "Why in the hell would you do that? Get a job around here so you don't have to drive that far."

The answer to that became painfully obvious. The Poconos is a resort town that pays resort wages. Having been employed at many resorts over the years and being employed with many people from the city, I became aware of the drastic differences in the Poconos economy versus that of the City.

We get paid miniumum wage or dan close near to it. There is truly only one real reason why people move here other than "a better life." Cost of living. A home here that costs $110,000 would go for roughly $3.1 million in the city. I'm not a realtor, but look this up for yourself. Don't even ask about the taxes. All I know is when new people move in and get their taxes due for the year they immediately call every relative they have in the City and flaunt it proudly that it is far lower than what they paid in the city.

We have built over four new schools in the past ten years, to have EACH and EVERY one FULL by the end of the year. There have been cases of parents taking thier children from the city, dropping them off at a relative's and then enrolling them in our school system for "a better life," and then sometimes picking them up on the weekends.

Many people just commute to city friday night, stay and work there all week, and then return home Sunday night. You wouldn't believe the traffinc on Interstate 80 unless you have lived in a city. For many City people this is nothing.

But that is the point. For them it is nothing. For all of us who have been here the longest, we suffer from overcrowding, congested schools and roads and a general "dislike" for the city folk.

The price of a home here is astonishing now. I'm not just talking regular inflation, but a massive increase. Numerous times (too many to count) when I am paired up with a worker that recently came in from the city they tell me the a couple of regular statements:

"The Poconos suck and there is nothing to do here." "There are too many trees." "Everyone here is a redneck." "I can't believe I'm only making $6.00 an hour. I did the same thing in Manhatten for $25.00 an hour."



They are not lying about the pay difference. That is EXACTLY why they make that commute weekly, and often daily. They make three to four times there doing the same thing they would here. They then buy a home here for "dirt cheap" in terms of thier own market in the city. Most people born and raised in this area have less and less money than the commuters, but are forced to deal with the raised prices of housing area and the immensely large population boom over the recent years. The locals really do suffer unless you own a business that caters to tourists. And don't tell me the money gets pumped back into system.

We still get minimum wage. The price for an acre is now around $100,000 when twenty years ago it was aroun $150. The locals born and raised here can not afford that. The commuters can.

And that is what is happening along the border states where illegal immigrants flock in. They may have slovenly living conditions, but I am willing to bet the recipients of their $50 - $100 a week are living like kings in Mexico. Just as the commuter of the family now living in the Poconos must suffer the City life and traffic each and every week, the family at home is living like kings compared to what they had in the city.

I can see that many resent these illegal immigrants for many different reasons. As I stated before not many of us that post here are Native Americans, but I can %100 relate to the socio-economic effect that must be taking it's toll on those who live in those areas.

The cultural impact has quite an effect too. I have found that most people from the city are against hunting and killing animals. When talking about hunting I am usually pounced upon by the city folk. They like to tell me how they would give a deer a gun and let it hunt me. I then tell them that the city they lived in has killed (by habitat reformation) nearly every native species known to it, and now the only species that truly thrive there are the ones that feed off of human waste; namely: cockroaches, pigeons and rats. I've been there. Just look around. They don't believe that their city was once in fact covered with wildlife.

And so the cycle continues. I fear within twenty years when I take my children away from the Poconos for the weekend that we will be "the crazy out-of-towners" that stop the car in the middle of the road so the kids can see their first deer.

The population explosion of the human race is really what we get angry about in my opinion when it comes to these matters of "border jumpers". It doesn't matter who they are, just that, they're not supposed to be "HERE." In OUR town, where we grew up. Taking OUR jobs, OUR land, rasing prices of everything and turning it into what we believe to be crap.

Just think about it. The rest of world will eventually become what it is ultimately trying to escape. City life and civilization. Many people love the city and city life, but these numbers do not lie. Every single home builder's office in this area is SWAMPED with cars bearing New York license plates each and every day. There are no less than twenty of these offices along a one mile stretch I live on. They come up here and relative to what they have back home think this is absolutely wonderful. Only waiting an hour in traffic every day. There used to be NO traffic.

I have thought about moving to a town recently that was once like the Poconos twenty year ago, but I'll be doing the same thing to them that's happeneing to me. I will deal with it for the sake of the others.

Just think about it.

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#341 Consumer Comment

MEXICANS ARE TAKING OVER THE U.S.

AUTHOR: Sarah - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Friday, January 20, 2006

Illegals are ILLEGALS, no matter where they come from. Do the illegal mexicans not have enough sense to think for themselves before embarking on a journey with the Coyotes?

Have they even heard of BIRTH CONTROL? They plop "mehas & mehoes" out faster than a tortillia factory. Than American Citizens get to foot the BILL for everything from FOOD STAMPS to EDUCATION (in spanish). If we could DEDUCT these expenses on our income taxes, we'd be RICH! Instead, we get to PAY for it.

I'm sick & tired of supporting their asses!

If mexico is that bad, they need to do something about it and STAY there.

I wonder how many AMERICAN people it would take to go to Japan, France, Rome, or any other Country and expect THEM to learn English??? It wouldn't be a happening! When did we lose control of our Country? Our English Languge?

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#340 Consumer Comment

My grandparents were "fruit tramps"

AUTHOR: Jerri - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Wednesday, January 04, 2006

that is what they used to be called also my parents and 3 of my older siblings. And we were all born in the USA. Nobody cared when my parents lived in dirt floor tents went without. Now the illegals are doing the work, everyone is up in arms about their rights. The white people had no rights and they were born in this country. So as far as I am concerned there should be no help for the illegals. They are not any better than my family and we survived. Move on, Let them take their lumps like the "fruit tramps" before them

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#339 Consumer Suggestion

They can all go back if they don't like it here!

AUTHOR: Steve - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Tuesday, January 03, 2006

To all of you bleeding hearts out there.

Just keep in mind what the word "ILLEGAL" means.

The fact is that these wetbacks are here ILLEGALLY. That means that they ARE CRIMINALS.

That is as simple as it gets. Nothing else matters.

I served 10 years military. I am now a 30% disabled veteran. These wetbacks get more than I am entitled to. What's wrong with that picture?

Just the cost of the welfare babies alone is killing our country. We simply cannot afford to have 11 MILLION non-taxpayers sucking up services.

It is just common sense. Big business is the only one who benefits from having these illegals here. That is why nothing is done about it.

They are the reason that wages have stagnated.

I was making $7 an hour at a non union unskilled labor job in 1984, prior to going into the military. And this was in FL, the home of low wages.

Today after the cost of living more than tripling, they are still offering that same $7-$8 an hour and act like they are doing you a favor!

That is the true cost of wetbacks.

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#338 Consumer Suggestion

They can all go back if they don't like it here!

AUTHOR: Steve - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Tuesday, January 03, 2006

To all of you bleeding hearts out there.

Just keep in mind what the word "ILLEGAL" means.

The fact is that these wetbacks are here ILLEGALLY. That means that they ARE CRIMINALS.

That is as simple as it gets. Nothing else matters.

I served 10 years military. I am now a 30% disabled veteran. These wetbacks get more than I am entitled to. What's wrong with that picture?

Just the cost of the welfare babies alone is killing our country. We simply cannot afford to have 11 MILLION non-taxpayers sucking up services.

It is just common sense. Big business is the only one who benefits from having these illegals here. That is why nothing is done about it.

They are the reason that wages have stagnated.

I was making $7 an hour at a non union unskilled labor job in 1984, prior to going into the military. And this was in FL, the home of low wages.

Today after the cost of living more than tripling, they are still offering that same $7-$8 an hour and act like they are doing you a favor!

That is the true cost of wetbacks.

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#337 Consumer Suggestion

They can all go back if they don't like it here!

AUTHOR: Steve - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Tuesday, January 03, 2006

To all of you bleeding hearts out there.

Just keep in mind what the word "ILLEGAL" means.

The fact is that these wetbacks are here ILLEGALLY. That means that they ARE CRIMINALS.

That is as simple as it gets. Nothing else matters.

I served 10 years military. I am now a 30% disabled veteran. These wetbacks get more than I am entitled to. What's wrong with that picture?

Just the cost of the welfare babies alone is killing our country. We simply cannot afford to have 11 MILLION non-taxpayers sucking up services.

It is just common sense. Big business is the only one who benefits from having these illegals here. That is why nothing is done about it.

They are the reason that wages have stagnated.

I was making $7 an hour at a non union unskilled labor job in 1984, prior to going into the military. And this was in FL, the home of low wages.

Today after the cost of living more than tripling, they are still offering that same $7-$8 an hour and act like they are doing you a favor!

That is the true cost of wetbacks.

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#336 Consumer Suggestion

They can all go back if they don't like it here!

AUTHOR: Steve - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Tuesday, January 03, 2006

To all of you bleeding hearts out there.

Just keep in mind what the word "ILLEGAL" means.

The fact is that these wetbacks are here ILLEGALLY. That means that they ARE CRIMINALS.

That is as simple as it gets. Nothing else matters.

I served 10 years military. I am now a 30% disabled veteran. These wetbacks get more than I am entitled to. What's wrong with that picture?

Just the cost of the welfare babies alone is killing our country. We simply cannot afford to have 11 MILLION non-taxpayers sucking up services.

It is just common sense. Big business is the only one who benefits from having these illegals here. That is why nothing is done about it.

They are the reason that wages have stagnated.

I was making $7 an hour at a non union unskilled labor job in 1984, prior to going into the military. And this was in FL, the home of low wages.

Today after the cost of living more than tripling, they are still offering that same $7-$8 an hour and act like they are doing you a favor!

That is the true cost of wetbacks.

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#335 Consumer Suggestion

superficial smoke screens, mirrors, mesa lies

AUTHOR: Jim - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Monday, January 02, 2006

Perhaps neither Mexico NOR Mesa comprise
dictatorships. Still, the net result is
the same. The scumbags on both sides of the
border make sure that the real, critical political issues are never openly discussed;
a few families, wealthy and encsconced in
politics for over a century, make all the
genuine decisions, which is why Mexico has
Pemex and the dunghole called Mesa has its
useless, overblow, b.s. "Art Center", built
with NO CHANCE whatsoever of serving any
useful purpose or of making any money, at
the absurd price for a crummy, third-rate
venue like Mesa of somewhere around $100
million.

Now, these same inbred deviant filth
and the city council they own are discussing
enacting a property tax to pay for THEIR
various sins and ripoffs, and the overblown
salaries of filth like themselves and
the outgoing city manager, Hutchinson, whose
crimes and those of his predecessor are so
obvious, so public, and so immediately proved
that, were there an honest court or prosecutor
in this state (THAT'S A PURE OXYMORON), they'd
be convicted of graft and malfeasance in
a heartbeat. The esteemed maggot police
chief, Dennis Donna, is also departing. His
main sin, according to the corrupt weasels
at BPOP/FOP, was trying to enact a "code of
ethics" for Mesa cops. Doesn't that tell you
where Mesa REALLY is?

Illegals? Don't affect anglo jobs? Really!
These "jobs" mostly pay less than minimum
wage. If they paid seven or eight bucks
an hour, I MYSELF WOULD HAVE TAKEN SOME OF
THEM, rather than do what I do for a living.
Don't kid yourself: all these criminals--and
I mean the illegal aliens and the monkty-monk
scum who run this city, including the city
council--cost you loads of money, by depressing
wages, by cheating you out of fines, by their
very bogus acts.

To hell with all of them!

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#334 Consumer Comment

Who Is Really to Blame?

AUTHOR: Curt - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Monday, January 02, 2006

I do not fault Mexicans for coming to this country, illegally or otherwise, to support their families, or ease their own suffering. I do fault American companies and individuals for exploiting these people for their own financial comfort. President Bush had done nothing to correct the illegal immigration situation because so many huge corporations (and wealthy individuals) depend on slave labor. The Democrats will do nothing to correct the situation because illegal immigrants overwhelmingly vote Democrat in elections, though, of course, they have no legal right to vote in our elections at all.

Any employer who pays an illegal Mexican immigrant less than he or she would have to pay an American citizen to do the same work should be prosecuted for human rights violations. The same goes for companies or individuals who make illegal immigrants live under horrible conditions. Such exploitation of the poor ("We're giving them more than they would get in Mexico") is absolutely evil, and no different than arbitrarily charging someone a million dollars for a kidney transplant to save his child. I believe the Law of Karma has a very special treat waiting for people who misuse others in this manner.

If the entire U.S. economy collapses because illegal immigrants are no longer allowed to work here, so be it. Economic wealth based on misery and suffering is artificial to begin with. If people have to pay twice as much for fruits and vegetables, or clothes, so what? Do Americans really need all the junk they accumulate?

If history teaches anything, it teaches that governments, cultures, and civilizations built on misery and exploitation ALL vanish in due time.

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Who Is Really to Blame?

AUTHOR: Curt - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Monday, January 02, 2006

I do not fault Mexicans for coming to this country, illegally or otherwise, to support their families, or ease their own suffering. I do fault American companies and individuals for exploiting these people for their own financial comfort. President Bush had done nothing to correct the illegal immigration situation because so many huge corporations (and wealthy individuals) depend on slave labor. The Democrats will do nothing to correct the situation because illegal immigrants overwhelmingly vote Democrat in elections, though, of course, they have no legal right to vote in our elections at all.

Any employer who pays an illegal Mexican immigrant less than he or she would have to pay an American citizen to do the same work should be prosecuted for human rights violations. The same goes for companies or individuals who make illegal immigrants live under horrible conditions. Such exploitation of the poor ("We're giving them more than they would get in Mexico") is absolutely evil, and no different than arbitrarily charging someone a million dollars for a kidney transplant to save his child. I believe the Law of Karma has a very special treat waiting for people who misuse others in this manner.

If the entire U.S. economy collapses because illegal immigrants are no longer allowed to work here, so be it. Economic wealth based on misery and suffering is artificial to begin with. If people have to pay twice as much for fruits and vegetables, or clothes, so what? Do Americans really need all the junk they accumulate?

If history teaches anything, it teaches that governments, cultures, and civilizations built on misery and exploitation ALL vanish in due time.

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Who Is Really to Blame?

AUTHOR: Curt - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Monday, January 02, 2006

I do not fault Mexicans for coming to this country, illegally or otherwise, to support their families, or ease their own suffering. I do fault American companies and individuals for exploiting these people for their own financial comfort. President Bush had done nothing to correct the illegal immigration situation because so many huge corporations (and wealthy individuals) depend on slave labor. The Democrats will do nothing to correct the situation because illegal immigrants overwhelmingly vote Democrat in elections, though, of course, they have no legal right to vote in our elections at all.

Any employer who pays an illegal Mexican immigrant less than he or she would have to pay an American citizen to do the same work should be prosecuted for human rights violations. The same goes for companies or individuals who make illegal immigrants live under horrible conditions. Such exploitation of the poor ("We're giving them more than they would get in Mexico") is absolutely evil, and no different than arbitrarily charging someone a million dollars for a kidney transplant to save his child. I believe the Law of Karma has a very special treat waiting for people who misuse others in this manner.

If the entire U.S. economy collapses because illegal immigrants are no longer allowed to work here, so be it. Economic wealth based on misery and suffering is artificial to begin with. If people have to pay twice as much for fruits and vegetables, or clothes, so what? Do Americans really need all the junk they accumulate?

If history teaches anything, it teaches that governments, cultures, and civilizations built on misery and exploitation ALL vanish in due time.

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Who Is Really to Blame?

AUTHOR: Curt - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Monday, January 02, 2006

I do not fault Mexicans for coming to this country, illegally or otherwise, to support their families, or ease their own suffering. I do fault American companies and individuals for exploiting these people for their own financial comfort. President Bush had done nothing to correct the illegal immigration situation because so many huge corporations (and wealthy individuals) depend on slave labor. The Democrats will do nothing to correct the situation because illegal immigrants overwhelmingly vote Democrat in elections, though, of course, they have no legal right to vote in our elections at all.

Any employer who pays an illegal Mexican immigrant less than he or she would have to pay an American citizen to do the same work should be prosecuted for human rights violations. The same goes for companies or individuals who make illegal immigrants live under horrible conditions. Such exploitation of the poor ("We're giving them more than they would get in Mexico") is absolutely evil, and no different than arbitrarily charging someone a million dollars for a kidney transplant to save his child. I believe the Law of Karma has a very special treat waiting for people who misuse others in this manner.

If the entire U.S. economy collapses because illegal immigrants are no longer allowed to work here, so be it. Economic wealth based on misery and suffering is artificial to begin with. If people have to pay twice as much for fruits and vegetables, or clothes, so what? Do Americans really need all the junk they accumulate?

If history teaches anything, it teaches that governments, cultures, and civilizations built on misery and exploitation ALL vanish in due time.

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#330 Consumer Comment

Try this. Ask an illegal if they want to become a U.S. citizen.

AUTHOR: Jeff - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Monday, December 19, 2005

When I lived in Mesa & Casa Grande, AZ I did this on five separate occasions. The people I posed this question to did not know each other. All five of them stated that they did not wish to acquire American citizenship. They made it clear that they wanted to be Mexican citzens living in America rather than becoming American citizens.

I also asked them if they spoke English. Again, the answer was no. My next question was whether or not any of them wanted to learn to speak it. Three of the five said they had no use for it because Spanish was spoken and understood everywhere they went. The other two people said they felt it was too difficult to learn.

I realize that randomly asking five different people a few questions in no way resembles a scientific survey or poll. I also want to make it clear that the abuse and humiliation these people suffer at the hands of both Mexico and the United States is abhorrent. But the fact remains that Mexican citizens who break the law by coming here illegally and divide our nation by refusing to assimilate into our society are in the wrong here.

Mexico is not governed by dictatorship. The Mexican people have a choice in their politics. With the advent of NAFTA, many American corporations are relocating their production operations there, so the jobs are available and forthcoming. I guess I just find it peculiar that Mexicans so loudly proclaim their love and admiration for their country at the same they are risking their lives to leave it.

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#329 Consumer Comment

Illegal Means ILLEGAL

AUTHOR: Daniel - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Monday, December 19, 2005

I like the way people justify everything by the amount or development and money it affects. Take ILLEGAL immigration, for example. The author's justification amounts to providing sanctuary for undocumented workers because they are the ones providing Americans slave labor and the ability to buy milk and freshly picked strawberries. There are a lot of things that we benefit from when it comes cheap and ILLEGAL labor, much of them unnecessary. In fact, if it comes down to it, I will stop drinking strawberry shakes if I have to. But that's not the point. It's ILLEGAL to come into this country without the privilege of citizenship(for good reason).

I live in a neighborhood which happens to be infested with illegals. And you know what, it is a crime infested, loud, miniature version of the third world, right here in sunny California. I love it.

I think if people were less greedy and less willing to exploit, then we would never have (ILLEGAL) slave labor to begin with. These workers don't deserve to get dumped on the side of the street. Nor do they deserve privileges other immigrants acheive by fully legal means.
America is the land of the free(read: not slave, economic or otherwise).

If you care so much about illegals, then you should campaign for legalizing that which is illegal and dangerous to begin with, not aiding a festering problem. You are not doing them or us a favor either way.

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#328 Consumer Comment

Jesus.... simple fact that this country is lazy. If these jobs were not available, there wouldn't be incentive for these people to come here

AUTHOR: Cory - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Monday, December 19, 2005

Ok. I'll see you in the fields picking lettuce and strawberries. I dont care at this point what anybody has to say about this subject. Its not like anybody will ever agree on the subject any goddamn ways. All i'm trying to point out is the simple fact that this country is lazy. If these jobs were not available, there wouldn't be incentive for these people to come here. If they were not ABLE to get jobs illegally, then i'm pretty sure they would come here LEGALLY. And you know.... Unless they've harmed you directly, i say just get over the fact that they're here. Because a one man army isnt going to make one bit of difference. And as far as saying "They should be deported", i dont know if anybody knows this, but children of mexican immigrants arent very well liked back in Mexico. I saw that in phoenix, they were trying to send back the kids of illegal aliens who were going to school here and getting things straight for themselves. Over there, we're called "POCHOS". Do you know what that means? POCHO, means wetback. They dont want us here. They dont want us there....Ahh! Concentration camps. There's an option for all you anti-equal opportunity, freedom stealing, bigot bastards who think the best option is to send em all back. I'll said it again. If all the illegal immigrants just DISAPPEARED one night, this country's economy would crumble and the industries in which they work would crash. They're here and we need them. Face it. Deny it ALL you want, but they are needed. Unless you can round up all the lazy, depressed, jobless AMERICANS who REFUSE to work because they can collect welfare instead, and put them to work, then i see no validity in the arguements.And what good is a college education if you cant put it to use?

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#327 Consumer Suggestion

By the way CORY. For your claim that unless you've lived the life of an illegal immigrant, you have no right to talk.

AUTHOR: Ashley - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Saturday, December 17, 2005

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I live in the same neighborhood they do and have all my life. I and my family are what they like to call "the working poor"... working nonstop just to stay alive. And, we all have college educations. Considering I have lived with illegals for more than two decades, have taken them into my own home when our neighbors hit "rock bottom" and befriended them, I think I have a clue about the way they live.

And I'm still against illegal immigration.

Mass generalizations don't always work. Try again, buddy.

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#326 Consumer Suggestion

All europeans were immigrants to this country at one time for a better life. We are simply doing the same thing. Why was it ok for them to come and not the mexicans?.

AUTHOR: Ashley - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Saturday, December 17, 2005

I commented on this report a long time ago and there have been a lot of posts since then so I'll just respond to one from Octavio:

"All europeans were immigrants to this country at one time for a better life. We are simply doing the same thing. Why was it ok for them to come and not the mexicans?. Hey Biggot's dont be so mad It's fair, You took our land so now were taking it back. As far as im concerned you guys are the " WETBACKS " So if you dont like the way things are, like you guys say ..GO BACK TO YOUR COUNTRY..(No disrispect to all the real Americans)"

Mhmm, the difference being that I and ancestors came here legally! People from Mexico are free to come as long as they do it legally, I have no problem with that, stop trying to turn this into a racist thing! Plus my ancestors learned the language, something I barely see nowadays (I have lived in Phoenix for my entire life). Stop the cr*p about "we're taking it back", no you aren't.

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#325 Consumer Suggestion

All europeans were immigrants to this country at one time for a better life. We are simply doing the same thing. Why was it ok for them to come and not the mexicans?.

AUTHOR: Ashley - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Saturday, December 17, 2005

I commented on this report a long time ago and there have been a lot of posts since then so I'll just respond to one from Octavio:

"All europeans were immigrants to this country at one time for a better life. We are simply doing the same thing. Why was it ok for them to come and not the mexicans?. Hey Biggot's dont be so mad It's fair, You took our land so now were taking it back. As far as im concerned you guys are the " WETBACKS " So if you dont like the way things are, like you guys say ..GO BACK TO YOUR COUNTRY..(No disrispect to all the real Americans)"

Mhmm, the difference being that I and ancestors came here legally! People from Mexico are free to come as long as they do it legally, I have no problem with that, stop trying to turn this into a racist thing! Plus my ancestors learned the language, something I barely see nowadays (I have lived in Phoenix for my entire life). Stop the cr*p about "we're taking it back", no you aren't.

Ashley

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#324 Consumer Suggestion

All europeans were immigrants to this country at one time for a better life. We are simply doing the same thing. Why was it ok for them to come and not the mexicans?.

AUTHOR: Ashley - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Saturday, December 17, 2005

I commented on this report a long time ago and there have been a lot of posts since then so I'll just respond to one from Octavio:

"All europeans were immigrants to this country at one time for a better life. We are simply doing the same thing. Why was it ok for them to come and not the mexicans?. Hey Biggot's dont be so mad It's fair, You took our land so now were taking it back. As far as im concerned you guys are the " WETBACKS " So if you dont like the way things are, like you guys say ..GO BACK TO YOUR COUNTRY..(No disrispect to all the real Americans)"

Mhmm, the difference being that I and ancestors came here legally! People from Mexico are free to come as long as they do it legally, I have no problem with that, stop trying to turn this into a racist thing! Plus my ancestors learned the language, something I barely see nowadays (I have lived in Phoenix for my entire life). Stop the cr*p about "we're taking it back", no you aren't.

Ashley

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#323 Consumer Suggestion

All europeans were immigrants to this country at one time for a better life. We are simply doing the same thing. Why was it ok for them to come and not the mexicans?.

AUTHOR: Ashley - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Saturday, December 17, 2005

I commented on this report a long time ago and there have been a lot of posts since then so I'll just respond to one from Octavio:

"All europeans were immigrants to this country at one time for a better life. We are simply doing the same thing. Why was it ok for them to come and not the mexicans?. Hey Biggot's dont be so mad It's fair, You took our land so now were taking it back. As far as im concerned you guys are the " WETBACKS " So if you dont like the way things are, like you guys say ..GO BACK TO YOUR COUNTRY..(No disrispect to all the real Americans)"

Mhmm, the difference being that I and ancestors came here legally! People from Mexico are free to come as long as they do it legally, I have no problem with that, stop trying to turn this into a racist thing! Plus my ancestors learned the language, something I barely see nowadays (I have lived in Phoenix for my entire life). Stop the cr*p about "we're taking it back", no you aren't.

Ashley

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#322 Consumer Comment

the mexican government is more corrupt then the LAPD, NYPD, AND the Mafia all rolled into one ball

AUTHOR: Cory - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Tuesday, November 22, 2005

Typo....Sorry, had a keyboard issue it seems. I meant 75 miles in to mexico. And the mexican government is more corrupt then the LAPD, NYPD, AND the Mafia all rolled into one ball...So, yea...good you have faith in THAT info...matter of fact, i dont have to prove jack s**t to you or anybody else for that matter. I know what i am and i know what i own, therefore i know what the truth is. I own about 500 acres of land, and plan to keep it in my own family...which I LEGALLY can. If I have a son, i can give it to him when I get older...nothin wrong with it. but yea...If you wanna speak technicalities, ANYBODY of European Decent, is not american, by blood...Granted, the spanish claimed most of this land on the west coast to the midwest...and yes, the "white" people dishonestly acquired it, but who are we to fight over something that was never EITHER of ours to begin with? You know...the borders are NEVER going to be closed off. The Borders are never going to be blocked to the point where NOBODY will be able to get through...Illegal Immigration was, is, and will probably always be a part of everyday life in the country...try as they may, the government will NEVER be able to entirely fix the problem...If they werent so focused on the black gold over in the middle east, they might have the money, resources, and man-power to do something about the problems in our country. Dont sit here and rip on people you dont know. Instead, write a letter to someone who will lie to you about doing something about it. or better yet...go protest somewhere and get tear gassed by the police...why put your trust into an entity who has no idea whats going on? How many of you people on this site live in border towns? How many of you personally know an illegal immigrant? How many of you have experienced the things that these people have? For all the people who dont know what its like to live in a ghetto and not have an education....SHUT IT. These people are doing what they know how to do...They're doing the best they can with what their government has given them...and if you go visit a border town...you'll see how much they have to work with...LOADS AND LOADS OF NOTHING. After you leave 6th grade you get a job. UNLESS your family can afford to send you to High School. Thats not very likely 90% of the time...And one more thing...you know something? I'm grateful that we have people here fu*king the system that fu*ks the people of its OWN country. I consider it Indirect Retribution. If you have a cooshy job somewhere and dont know what its like to live from dad to day, week to week....I suggest you find another topic of interest.

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#321 Consumer Suggestion

LIVE WITH IT. You took our land so now were taking it back.

AUTHOR: Octavio - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Sunday, November 20, 2005

All europeans were immigrants to this country at one time for a better life. We are simply doing the same thing. Why was it ok for them to come and not the mexicans?. Hey Biggot's dont be so mad It's fair, You took our land so now were taking it back. As far as im concerned you guys are the " WETBACKS " So if you dont like the way things are, like you guys say ..GO BACK TO YOUR COUNTRY..(No disrispect to all the real Americans)

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#320 Consumer Comment

A whole 75 inches?

AUTHOR: Robert - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Saturday, November 19, 2005

Wow...you bought land inside the fence.

I get my information from the offical Mexican Government website. I would assume their Government knows what they are talking about.

As for the issue at hand...I don't give a rat's a*s where someone comes from. If they are not in this country LEGALLY, throw them out.

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#319 Consumer Comment

I guess It just depends on where you are...

AUTHOR: Cory - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Saturday, November 19, 2005

Because I DO own property about 75 in from The Border. I dont know what you researched, or who lied to you, but for someone to tell me that I cant do something that i've already done, is funny. But lets refocus on the subject that was originally at hand...

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#318 Consumer Comment

Telling half truths is the same as a lie

AUTHOR: Robert - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Friday, November 18, 2005

You are NOT a Mexican Citizen if you cannot vote or purchase land inside the interior of the country. "Dual Citizenship" is less usefull than having a "Green Card" here in the US.

Mexican Law provides that a Non-Mexican can aquire "immigrant" status after a few years, and thus "dual citizenship". But you cannot vote, and the only land you may purchase is on the coast. Until you gain this "Immigrant" staus, you cannot own land anywhere in Mexico. The land on the coast is worthless to the Mexican Government. The recourses are in the interior of the country. The only thing the Mexican Government sees from the coastal land is tax revenue.

Also, if you leave Mexico to become a US Citizen, you become "dual citizenship" staus, and lose your voting and land rights in Mexico. Only the ILLEGALS living in the US retain their voting rights in Mexico. In other words, only REAL Mexicans are REAL citizens...sort of like how Rome ran things back in the day.

Get it now, people? They get all of the benefits of living in the US(including welfare and other freebies), while paying nothing to either country in taxes, and still get to have full rights and priviledges as a Mexican Citizen.

Good try Cory. Tell the whole truth and nothing but the truth next time. This is so easy to research.

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#317 Consumer Comment

I am a US Citizen AND a Mexican Citizen. I own property in Mexico AND in the US

AUTHOR: Cory - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Thursday, November 17, 2005

Let me talk about what IS true. I have dual citizenship. I was NOT born in Mexico, yet, i have dual citizenship...I am a US Citizen AND a Mexican Citizen. I own property in Mexico AND in the US. Yet, you're telling me that we cant be Mexican citizens? Someone lied to you. Because I AM a mexican citizen, born in the US. They do grant dual citizenship. They Grant Full Citizenship. And I dont mean to sound like I'm talking about only Mexicans, but it seems to me that anybody with dark skin that speaks spanish is automatically assumed to be Mexican. That has been my personal experience. People will see a couple of South American guys or spaniards talkin, and turn and say somethin like, "Fu**ing Mexicans." They're ALWAYS assumed to be mexican. And the profiling is what pisses me off. After 9/11, people thought I was Middle Eastern. I guess its whatever flavor of the day on the hate calendar happens to be... I hate nobody, even though i've been wronged by many people. Alot of people hate without knowing who they hate. I do agree that they could be here legally if they wanted too...But the issue lies with the government. I'm for tighter borders myself, but I also believe that alot of these people have Justification in their reasons for coming here illegally. ALOT of them, not all of them. When they can come up with an honest solution the immigration problem, i'll be there to support it, as an American. But if it's unjust and unfair, you can bet i'll be there supporting those people.

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#316 Consumer Comment

The underlying factor in the immigration debate is assimilation.

AUTHOR: Jeff - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Wednesday, November 16, 2005

Cory's remark about several Western states formerly being a part of Mexico & thus entitling all Mexicans residence(regardless of immigrant status) is very telling, and is also the reason I'm all in favor of stringent immigration enforcement.

Unfortunately, far too many Mexicans share Cory's view that the American West is territory lost by unjust means, and that they have a right to reclaim it. In the eyes of many, the Mexican-American War never ended, and rampant, unchecked migration combined with a staunch refusal to assimilate into American society is the most effective way in which to fight this war.

I wouldn't have nearly as much of a problem with illegal immigration if this agenda ceased to exist.

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#315 Consumer Comment

The issue is ILLEGAL immigration. It doesn't matter where they came from.

AUTHOR: Robert - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Wednesday, November 16, 2005

Cory, YOU need to step outside of your "box"

NOBODY in here has even mentioned Mexicans as being the only problem with ILLEGAL immigration. They are one of the issues, but only one.

The issue is ILLEGAL immigration. It doesn't matter where they came from. If they are not here LEGALLY, throw them out. Why is this difficult for you to understand?

If you were to go to any other country on this planet ILLEGALLY, they would arrest you and throw you in jail. If, and when, the American Consulate found you, you MIGHT be allowed to leave. While in that jail, you would not be coddled as our prisoners are. Every other country on this planet understands the problems associated with ILLEGAL immigration, and does everything they can to combat it.

By the way, Mexico has no means of becoming a citizen. If you are not born there, to Mexican parents, you will NEVER become a Mexican Citizen. Alot of countries are like that too. Yet, you want the US to ignore it's own laws and bend over backwards to help the Mexican ILLEGALS.

Answer this for me, Cory. Why is it, in California, when the voters were asked if they wanted tighter border security and elimination of ALL "benefits" to ILLEGAL immigrants, the LEGAL immigrants voted "yes". That's right. That proposition passed with nearly 80% of the vote. Polls taken at the sites, showed LEGAL immigrants voting "yes" overwhelmingly. A Liberal Democrat Judge then threw the proposition out claiming "the voters did not understand the issue".

Yes, Cory. The voters DID understand the issue.

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#314 Consumer Comment

Lets see if I follow... Mexicans didnt fly those planes, my friend... And that has nothing to do with the people who are here trying to make an honest living.

AUTHOR: Cory - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Tuesday, November 15, 2005

The Vendetta of the Radical Muslims has nothing to do with Illegal Latino Immigrants...Granted, they were here illegally, and the Government KNEW they were here...knew WHO they were...Yet, lets blame the southern border situation on 9/11? Mexicans didnt fly those planes, my friend... And that has nothing to do with the people who are here trying to make an honest living. The government had everything to do with what happened on that sad day, whether you or anybody else wants to admit it. George Bush is NOT my president. I didnt vote for him, and I dont approve of anything he does, let alone the "No kids left a dime" bill. People of all races and creeds kill people everyday...nothing new to our country...yet they have brown skin and automatically they're bad people... Step outside your box, man...What about the immigrants and immigrants kids who were given citizenship when they wanted to join the military? They were willing to die for a country that didnt want them here. Why? I dont know for sure, but my guess is to prove that the american dream is still alive for anybody given the opportunity... Watch the movie "A Day Without A Mexican." I guarantee you that people would react that way if it really happened...

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#313 Consumer Comment

True Colors Shining through...

AUTHOR: Cory - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Sunday, November 13, 2005

What do you care who or what somebody else marries? If a person is happy with someone and wants to make that commitment, who are you or the government to tell a person that they cant? Its hypocritical to call this country the land of the free, and the home of the brave. Free in whose eyes? Brave?? HA! People dont have the balls to stand up for what they believe anymore. They give all the power to the judges and the governors and senators....Let Gay people marry whoever they want. STAY OUT OF THEIR LIVES! They dont come into your home and wreck your lives. Stay out of theirs. Let people live the way they want to live. The minute people can mind their own business, we can truly call this the land of the free...

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#312 Consumer Comment

We do not live in a Democracy. Democracy is mob rule.

AUTHOR: Robert - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Friday, November 11, 2005

Cory, please go back to school

We do not live in a Democracy. Democracy is mob rule. Our form of government is a Representative Republic. The two are worlds apart.

And the people overturning laws the "people" want, are called Judges. They also happen to be Liberal Judges...the same Judges people like you seem to like. They are the ones who refuse to enforce the laws of this country, and tell the "people" who vote for something that the "people" just didn't ubderstand the issues.

As for "Gay Marriage"...why bother. A homosexual man can marry a woman and vice-versa anytime he/she chooses. Why shouldn't homos ruin their lives as badly as heteros. As far as man-man, and woman-woman marriages, sure. How about a man and two women? A woman and two men? A man or woman and a dog? Horse? Cow?

Tell you what Cory...you get a majority of American Citizens to petition their state and federal representatives to promote homosexual marriage, and maybe you'll get somewhere. As it is now, the majority of Americans are opposed to the idea. Since you think we live in a Democracy(mob rule), you should have no problem with the majority NOT allowing it.

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#311 Consumer Comment

The people whining about illegal immigrants are probably the same people who oppose gay marriage and everything else that DOESNT involve them...

AUTHOR: Cory - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Thursday, November 10, 2005

I agree...

*Applause* Something I had forgotten about... California, Arizona, New Mexico, Colorado, Utah, Wyoming...All stolen from Mexico. I think we could honestly say they have somewhat of a right to be here...And Yea...

Original Americans, were the native americans. Lets take all the people of German Heritage and send em back to Germany. And the French Back to France(Or Canada). And so on and so forth...

Lets just vacate the the entire country and leave the people who were here LEGALLY.

Oh....wait....WE PUT THEM ON RESERVATIONS! How sad is that...we came over...took THEIR land...and told them where they COULD live... With all that this country has done to the native people, i think the government needs to zip it, unlock the gates, and leave em alone.

The people in power have no business doing what they do. We're a democracy in which the people have no power... They ask us, "Which Laws would you LIKE to see passed?" We tell them. Then they turn around and say "Screw you. We want these laws". Then, when by a miracle, the law we vote for passes...THEY OVERTURN IT!

The people whining about illegal immigrants are probably the same people who oppose gay marriage and everything else that DOESNT involve them...

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#310 Consumer Comment

Okay Cory, let's take your premise one step further

AUTHOR: Robert - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Thursday, November 10, 2005

You go to Mexico and do "whatever you want" as you say. Great, so can they. They visit here every day.

Now, try staying there. Wait, you cannot. The Mexican police will haul you off to one of their fine jails and let you hang out there for awhile. Remember, you entered Mexico with the understanding that you will go home within 24 hours. Now, you are in Mexico ILLEGALLY.

You see, Mexico actually enforces it's own immigration laws. Their southern border is having the same problems that our has. Of course, they don't have a bunch of bedwetters trying to figure out why their ILLEGAL immigrants should be sent back. They know why. Because they are entering the country ILLEGALLY!

As for the price of lettuce, etc., it won't go up that much. Even if it does, that's the price we'll have to pay for securing our borders and enforcing our laws. Since this seems to be an issue the vast majority of Americans want taken care of, get ready to have your feelings hurt. Every poll taken puts illegal immigration and border security as the most important issue today. It has been since Sep 11, 2001.

In case you forgot, that was the day when nearly two dozen ILLEGAL immigrants murdered thousands of American citizens. Get it? Got it? Good!

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#309 Consumer Comment

Lets Say For The Sake Of Argument....

AUTHOR: Cory - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Thursday, November 10, 2005

Lets say for a minute that we sent all illegal immigrants back to where ever they came from...Whether they be Mexican, Chinese, Honduran, Cuban, Puerto Rican, Venezuelen, Chilean, Columbian, etc... That would get rid of almost all fruit and vegetable laborers. Then We consider that restaurants and hotels lose most of their workers. I.E, Housekeeping, Maintenence, Groundskeepers. Then The golf courses...Then The Construction Contractors and The City And State Workers. Because yes....even the local and state governments hire illegal immigrants. Then we take it to the next level. The kids in our schools. Then, lets say that for the next step, we get rid of anything that was built by illegal immigrants. We get rid of the buildings, the parks, the libraries, the schools...ANYTHING built by illegal hands. Also...does anybody not see how screwed up it is, the fact that we can just waltz across a mexican border and do what we desire in THEIR country, yet, we still try to keep them out? I think that could have alot to do with illegal immigration. Why is it, that I can go to Mexico with NO I.D. and purchase some medication from a pharmacy, go have lunch at the park, and go to a club to drink and dance...And walk right back into the United States like I was never gone? Whats with all the Greedy "Get off of my dirt stay out of my country" attitudes? I just read in my local newspaper that they're trying to pass a bill that would make it so the children of illegal immigrants born in the US would be denied US Citizenship. Hmmm... I believe the 14th Amendment states, AND I QUOTE:"All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws." It says so in the constitution. No matter WHERE they are from or how they are here, they are entitled to the same rights as anybody else. I'll repeat...NOR SHALL ANY STATE DEPRIVE ANY PERSON OF LIFE, LIBERTY, OR PROPERTY, WITHOUT DUE PROCESS OF LAW. Emphasis on the ANY PERSON part. This land was built of the foundation of freedom. The people who founded this country came here trying to escape the very things that this country is trying to do to these people. For a country that was built on freedom, it sure has spun the 180 into Hipocracy. Its sad to see how some people in this country still believe they actually have the right to keep people out...you know, considering that all of us on this board actually did something to earn our freedom. You know, we all went to war and fought for it...(sarcasm) I dont take for granted, what I have. And I sure as hell have no problem sharing it with someone who wants it just as much as I do.

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#308 Consumer Suggestion

The Truth

AUTHOR: Huajiro - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Thursday, November 10, 2005

As a white-Anglo-American who has actually lived among both Anglo-Americans, as well as Mexican-Americans......and even in Mxico for 3 years, I feel that my opinion is valid.

First and foremost I would say that no one should classify anyone based on their race, social class, or legal status. Each individual is different. There are hard working Americans (such as myself and many people I know) and there are lazy Americans.....same goes with Mexican-Americans and Mexicans who are here illegally.

The only thing that we should be discussing is whether or not these people should be here, and how we can keep them from having to deal with these conditions.

I saw a post by someone in "antimexicanville California", or something to that effect. If they had half a brain, they would realize just how stupid that sounds. California technically is Mxico....we stole it from the Mexicans years ago.....and it will be theirs again in a few years......just look around. I live in California, and it is less and less "Anti-Mexican" each year.....please don't speak for the rest of us when you say bad things about them.

Mexicans have a right to be here, just as anyone else. It doesn't matter how you got here, it is what you contribute. If you don't contribute to our society, you are "illegal". Everyone should have the right to have a chance to live a better life, no matter who they are. If people show that they don't want a better life, send them away.

I would ask that everyone remember that the only "true Americans" are the Native Americans, the rest of us got here illegally. Deal with it.

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#307 Consumer Comment

Illegal Immigrants - Civil Rights Violations and Mistreatment

AUTHOR: Lisa - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Tuesday, November 08, 2005

In response to your opinion relative to Illegal Immigrants - Civil Rights Violations and Mistreatment, I have to say this: Define "Illegal" Immigrant. An Illegal Immigrant is just that, Illegal. When a U.S. citizen commits an "illegal" act, that U.S. citizen is held accountable in accordance with the law. Therefore, an "Illegal" Immigrant should also have to follow U.S. Laws. There are legal ways for "Illegal" Immigrants to become a U.S. citizen, and they should have to follow the proper steps to becoming a U.S. citizen, just as a U.S. citizen has proper steps to follow in visiting/residing in another country.

Why should our hard earned tax dollars support illegal immigrants when there are elderly U.S. Citizens who can't afford their medications, health care, etc.? It's these elderly, hard working U.S. Citizens that are struggling with minimal Social Security checks, while Illegal Immigrants profit off our Welfare System and have done nothing to contribute to our society to earn this.

I am not even going to get started on the crime rate factors allegedly associated with "Illegal" Immigrants. I see how Arizona has changed over the last 25 years and I just think it's a cryin' shame.

I just think that it's very wrong for "Illegal" Immigrants to be here in the U.S. ILLEGALLY.

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#306 Consumer Comment

This is a subject that sickens me....

AUTHOR: Cory - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Thursday, November 03, 2005

JESUS, PEOPLE! This stuff coming from people who LIVE IN AMERICA. A COUNTRY BUILT ON THE BLOOD, SWEAT, AND TEARS OF IMMIGRANTS! I myself, being Hispanic, (mother is white, father is mexican), and having grown up in an Arizona Border town, know what its like out there. I have many family members that have come over here illegally from Mexico. Why? Because they were GUARANTEED jobs. JOBS THAT HAVE BEEN OPEN FOR MONTHS! you ever been in a kitchen in a Fancy Restaurant in a Tourist Town? In a RICH Tourist Town?

You wont find a single white person in the kitchen, unless its a waiter, manager, or Maintenance guy. why? because other people wont wash dishes for 6-7 dollars an hour. These people live in harsh conditions because they're used to it. My fathers family is from a village in Mexico, where I spent alot of time growing up. 17 people in a 2 bedroom Trailer? LUXERY! They would DIE for a place like that to live. I used an outhouse in mexico for years. I bathed in a metal tub with water warmed on the stove mixed with well water. So? I used to work on my families ranch for fun. Yay! But to hear all of these people complain about "shutting down the borders" and "Shooting people on sight". WHAT THE HELL!? You go live in those conditions for 2 weeks, and i'll wait for YOU to come jumpin the border. These people come here for a better life. And what does the government do? They make it HARDER for them to get here. Does that seem to stop them? Nope. I think the attitude needs a 180, because illegal immigration will NEVER stop. The faster you find a way to shut em out, the faster they'll come up with ways to keep gettin through. And as far as the comments go about them using welfare and all that stuff...shut it. They've EARNED it. They pay, (and you can QUOTE ME) BILLIONS of dollars in taxes that they NEVER get back.

They work for their money just like me and you, but the catch is, at the end of the year, they dont get it back. And those people ranting about "well, they cost the state of California over 3 billion dollars in unpaid medical bills." BOO-h*o! They never tell you about the 8 Billion dollars in Taxes they paid TO the state did they? Thats 5 Billion dollars right back to the state. Quit Crying about The "Crime" you say they bring. Name one Mexican Cannibal. Name One Mexican that came to school and shot 14 people.

Sorry....those were white people. Mexicans Sell oranges on the Freeway. Black People sell ROSES on the freeway. White people hold up signs that say "WILL WORK FOR FOOD" or "HAVE ANY SPARE CHANGE?". Open your eyes, people. Where does the problem lie?

Something I forgot to touch on. Go down to your local INS office and ask how long it would take to get a VISA for a mexican citizen. THAT would help you understand why most of them dont have YEARS to wait for one. My aunt has been waiting for one for 5 years. And her son, is a US Citizen. Its the Governments fault guys. They keep tightening protocols and regulations. THEY make the rules. Do some research...how many of our our politicians voted no for abortion. How many were Male? Now ask, How many of our politicians are of Hispanic desent? Now, How many will vote for a compromise? I rest my case. Race, Stereotyping, and Profiling STILL run this country. "We cant let the mexicans in, because they're dirty, they steal and kill, and so on and so forth..." Why dont you people worry about the AMERICAN CITIZENS sitting at home collecting disability, from your pocket, because they got a hangnail? Or the thousands of unemployed people (people NOT of hispanic or african desent) collecting welfare with 6 kids out of wedlock. Why does the welfare issue ALWAYS come back to minorities? Oh thats right...White people are perfect in this country....unless of course they live in trailers....THEN they're considered a minority...I know more WHITE meth smokers, Coke Fiends, and Crackheads, then I do mexican. And i know ALOT of people. And if the drug issue hasnt been covered yet...Its a money issue. SUPPLY AND DEMAND. Focus on the big things going on before you belittle the working people.

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#305 Consumer Comment

That was the best one yet, Tammy

AUTHOR: Robert - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Wednesday, November 02, 2005

It made absolutely no sense whatsoever though. This thread is about ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS, not old songs or old people.

Anyone can come to this country LEGALLY. Mexicans are the only people who come here ILLEGALLY. They can do it for FREE the legal way, and their own Government will help them do it, yet they choose to cross ILLEGALLY for some reason. EVERY other country in the world patrols their borders and ejects or imprisons the "crossers". The US is the ONLY country that does not, and it is costing us plenty.

This problem can be solved quite easiy if the Feds wanted to do it. Patrol the border with troops. Give the troops "shoot to kill" orders and the flow of ILLEGALS will stop immediately. Right now, the Border Patrol just zip-ties them and sends them back. Catch and release. Half the time, the INS doesn't even bother actually sending them back...Too many bedwetting do-gooders in their management.

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#304 Consumer Comment

Mark, I'm pretty sure that being an immigrant doesn't necessarily mean you are illegal.

AUTHOR: Tammy - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Tuesday, November 01, 2005

Mark in CA I can not say that I know the whole scope pertaining to the illegal/legal issue however I would be willing to foot the bill for a child's welfare just as I do for legals here in the states that will not get off their butts to provide for their kids and elders.

I do agree that there should be fines for illegal actions but also from a moral standpoint feel all have the right to live. If it were the only way to care for my kids, I would do it too.

The problem with society today is that they have been taught, If they have a heart they are weak when in reality if you have a hard heart it makes you weak. If everyone only looks out for their self then, who will look out for your loves ones if they are in need or you for that matter? There are strengths in numbers, which reminds me of an old songOne is the loneliest number.

I have taken care of many elderly and the constant things they regretbeing alone, mistreating others and divorce.

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#303 Consumer Suggestion

If your illegal you should have no rights your rights went out the door when you broke the law by coming into this country illegal.

AUTHOR: Mark - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Monday, October 31, 2005

The illegals choose to work here illegal because the cant be bothered to do it the right way,as i said before fine the ones who hire the illegals and give them a criminal record it will stop the problem dead in its tracks.If there is no money yes money to be made the illegals would never come here.So all the selfish people who hire illegal immigrants to save a couple of bucks will not hire illegals if there are steep fines and a criminal record to go with it. it will make them think long and hard about what they do since it will hurt them extremely financial wise.So if you feel sorry for these illegals so much then you foot the bill for health care,auto insurance ,work comp insurance, schools,high rent, etc... I cant sympathize for someone who breaks the law knowingly and willingly.

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#302 Consumer Comment

Immigrant worker deaths

AUTHOR: Tammy - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Sunday, October 30, 2005

I am not saying that all employers are rated in this category but unfortunately most are.

Some Facts:There are approximately 16.5 million foreign-born workers in the United States. Between 1999 and 2000, while the number of occupational fatalities in the country decreased, there was a 5% increase in the number of fatalities among foreign-born workers, and a 12% increase in the number of Hispanic-worker deaths (even though the Hispanic/Latino workforce grew by only 6%).

Death rose in 2004 from 5,559 to 5,703.

Immigrant worker will gain little or no workers comp in the event of a death.

The government has even posed as OSHA in order to get immigrant workers to come to meeting so they can be deported. Sad they can't even gain knowledge of what workers rights are.

It doesn't really matter if someone came from Pluto, if they are working they should all be treated in the same manner.

There are ones out their trying to change things, United Support & Memorial For Workplace Fatalities, COSH, Confined Space and many more. There is hope for the immoral way immigrants are treated!

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#301 Consumer Suggestion

people get off the race

AUTHOR: Mark - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Friday, October 21, 2005

look at all these stereo types some of you people are writing. stop being victims grow up. Lewis farrakhan is a separatist not like martin Luther king who was a unit er, the proof is in the actions he is all about money and separating us Americans is his agenda, there are radicals in all races of people. we are Americans before anything i think a lot of you have forgotten that we must stand together and rid our country of ILLEGAL I repeat ILLEGAL immigrants .People we can make a change vote and remember our government is for the people by the people.

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#300 Consumer Comment

THIS IS FOR STACEY DALLAS TEXAS

AUTHOR: Norma - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Wednesday, October 19, 2005

Let me Tell you something just because people come to this country dosen't mean they can't gracefully display they own country after all this is a free country...i am an American born in texas but i feel very proud to come from a mexican family..now said that if you don't like for us MEXICAN to display our flag LOOK THE OTHER WAY...and as we have mexican reciving welfare because of necesity ...a see alot of white that just do it to BE lazy and don't want to work....I READ EVEY REPORT IN THIS PAGE AND SOME MAKE ME SO MAD BECAUSE UNTIL YOU HAVE LIVED UNDER THOSE CONDITIONS YOU CAN'T TALK!!!!!my husband is active duty in the USA ARMY fighting for all you people that some of u don't even deserve....So when you see all these hipanic soliders dying for all you white people THINK ABOUT WHAT YOU WRITE O COMMENT ....OR JUST THINK!!!!!!!!!!!!! IT SADDENS ME TO THINK THAT THERE STILL PEOPLE LIKE YOU IN THIS WORLD Let me give yopu some advice ...WE ARE HERE TO STAY SO DEAL WITH IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! AND IF IT WASAN'T FOR ALL THIS MEXICANS I DON'T THINK THE US WOULD FUNCTION! I'VE BEEN IN MANY PALCES AND EVERY WERE THERE RACIST PEOPLE AND GOOD PEOPLE BUT NOT ONCE HAS ONE WHITE PERSON MADA ME LOOK DOWN !!!! BE PROUD OF YOU NATIONALTY!!!!

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#299 Consumer Suggestion

Its the American way!!

AUTHOR: Dawn - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Tuesday, October 18, 2005

As a black female, I have to say that some of you all brought up good points. I read in my history class(yes,I go to college) that slavery started with Spaniards and blacks were literally starting war amongst themselves and taking slaves. Europeans just simply picked up the tactic and made some money off of it. I am not a racist, I truly believe that in GOD's eyes we are all the same and if you have a prejudice against any thats your business but when you hit the heavenly gates, prepare to explain to God why you have a problem with one of HIS children. (very rarely do I get religious but I had to say that) I agree with a lot of the posters here as a minority, we need to shut the revolving door, you know why, because Americans are not accepted anywhere else in the world, unless they beg for the privilege, its good to be an American indeed. I dont want to hear about how the government cant protect the borders, thats how we lost 3000 people because no one was manning the barricades. I am against the war in Iraq but I support the troops and hope they can come home to their families instead of protecting a country who didnt ask our help. As far as I am concerned Saddam could have stayed with no WMD I still fail to see the threat he caused. Bin Laden is a confessed murderer and he is walking around free while we waste money on Saddam, WTF's wrong with this picture.
I take offense to someone calling Louis Farrakhan a pimp to the black people, thats BS. I am not a Muslim, but that man is smart, intelligent with intellect and if it takes a brother like Farrakhan to encourage Black men to stand up and be men, so be it. He does not preach about hate. I am so sick of people whining hes preaching hate and the reason why Farrakhan has blacks for bodyguards and not whites is because he doesnt trust the same race of people that claim he preach hate with his life. Can you blame him? I have watched some of his speeches in Chicago and I have seen whites in the audience so Paul is off the mark entirely on that one.
The revolving door is going to continue until the government decides to do something about it. Its not a whole lot that we litte citizens can do about that. I do agree though that if they are going to live here they should learn our language instead of the other way around. That doesnt make me racist it makes me practical.

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#298 Consumer Comment

Paul, you seem confused. We do have the right to send illegal immigrants back to where they came from.

AUTHOR: Robert - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Tuesday, October 18, 2005

Every country does it. Mexico is one of the very few countries that does not allow immigration INTO the country. You and I cannot own property there, ever. Only Mexican citizens can, and they will not allow anyone not born there to become a citizen.

Mexico is far from being a "clean" place to live. In fact, Mexico City is the most polluted place on Earth. I'll take my chances with radiation, thank you.

If you moved to another country, they are not going to do anything to accomodate you, including Mexico. If you do not learn the language fast, you will die, hungry and broke.

The blathering on the Statue of Liberty was not put there by American citizens. It was put there by the same people who sent that Trojan Horse to us...the French. Just one more reason to hate the French. It even refers to the incoming boatloads of immigrants as "refuse"...that's "trash" to those of you who don't know the meaning.

There were no slave ships or companies owned by whites. They were all Spanish owned and operated. Whites got rid of slavery, blacks in Africa still practice the trade today. Can you say "Sudan"? In fact, whites were the first slaves used in this country. Blacks became fashionable because they could not hide among the populationas a white English speaking person could. The first slaves here were Irish and Scot. John Paul(Jones) was a runaway slave...maybe you've heard of him.

Blacks commit 80% of the crimes while being only 13% of the population. The sad fact is, 25% of all black men(16-40) is in prison or out on probation. Whites are an abberation in the criminal world. Check the figures for countries like Sweden, etc where blacks are almost nonexistent. So is crime.

You claim the only blacks that committed crime are OJ and the Central Park thugs. Wake up. It wasn't a bunch of whites shooting at cops in New Orleans. Whites weren't the ones stealing the TV's and stereos. White cops weren't the ones being filmed looting along with the rest. Whites weren't the ones who started rioting after the LA Cops were aquitted. Whites didn't riot when OJ was aquitted. Whites didn't riot in Toledo this past weekend. Locally, when a crime is reported, the ID is basically the same each time...black male, blah, blah, blah. I'll take the company of large groups of whites over blacks, anyday. So will all of the race pimps like Jesse Jackson, and Lois Farakhan. Notice they both have to have bodyguards? They have no white people in their audiences, so the protection seems to be from blacks themselves.

As for going to war, sometimes you have to do it. Even Switzerland knows this, they have a military too.

I would hardly call making $400K/yr living like a King. That's the salary of the President. For nearly all of the candidates, this is a pay cut.

As for the troops, they, like me, voluntarily enlisted and knew the risks going in. To whine about the job after the s**t hits the fan is childish and immature. In general, military compensation is adequate, and the re-enlistment numbers prove this. The only problem the military is having is with new recruitment. This is because the crybabies thought military service was just a free college education. Tough.

You used to seem so reasonable, Paul. I hope you don't sit there all day wondering how else you can be self-hating and still be a productive member of society. Here's a hint. Go to Disneyland...relax.

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#297 Consumer Suggestion

The only overcrowding I see is on the freeways. Other than that, there is plenty of space to rent as long as you have the money to afford it.

AUTHOR: Paul - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Monday, October 17, 2005

There is plenty of housing available here in southern California. Of course, it starts at $1000 a month and goes up from there. Housing is expensive here.

The freeways are crowded. During the peak hours, it's bumper to bumper traffic.

Yes, maybe if we send all the immigrants back, there would be 1/3 less people here. That would mean 1/3 less cars on the freeway.

But, do we have that right?

I don't think so. I think we should share as much as possible. What does it say on the statue of liberty? I think it says that immigrants are welcome here.

Plus, I got news for you. If the freakin' terrorists set off a dirty bomb here, we'd have to move to a clean place. That could be Mexico. If that happened, I'd want the Mexicans to share their land with me. So, that means I better share this space with them.

I can't blame anybody for moving from a s**t place to a good one. They tried to keep the New Orleans residents on a bridge and wouldn't let them out, even as the flood waters were rising. Was that right?

Yes, I see a lot of things in Spanish. But, most of the things are both Spanish and English. So, I can still read what is being said.

Besides, what if I moved to a country like Germany? I'd like it if they'd put signs in both German and English. That way, immigrants like me could get along easier until I learned the language. I don't see a problem with helping the immigrants get by a little easier.

I will say this. I'm a white male. And, white men have been cheating others since time began. We took all this land away from the Indians. Where are they now? Trash reservations. The s**t areas of the country. How was that right?

Then, we exploited the black people. Brought them here in ships and sold them like animals. What the F was up with that? Hey, I use the N word as much as anyone else. I'm prejudiced. But, what happened to those Africans was SO FAR from right that I'm embarrassed to admit my race even did that. It's almost as bad as the freakin' holocaust.

Then, white men still weren't done. They kept the women down. No right to vote. Less value than a man. It's still that way. Women always get the s**t end of the deal.

Every time you turn around, the white men are hurting some other race. The police are still killing the black people. That's like an every-week thing here.

Blacks are locked up more, and for longer. So are Hispanics.

You know, when you get right down to it, white people are the problem. Always have been. Always will be. And, I say that as a WHITE MALE. A prejudice one, too. Yes, I'm prejudice, but it doesn't stop me from knowing right from wrong.

The reality is that white men harm other races. Not the other way around. I can only think of two examples of black people who did bad. One was OJ and the other was the Central Park rapists who raped and attacked white women.

Both of those things were wrong. But, that kind of thing goes on every day to black people. White people have been harming them since they got here. The ratio is a million to 1.

Yes, I'm prejudice. But, the people that I'm prejudiced against never did anything to me. In fact, the Hispanic immigrants I got to know are all decent people. Hard working. Family values.

This is the reality here. Yes, it's overcrowded. Yes, there are Spanish signs.

But, for once, I try to get along and let these immigrants have a chance at some kind of a life here.

The real problem is the government. They take my money and throw it away on nuclear weapons. They start wars that kill the soldiers. They live like kings while 1/8 of the country lives in poverty.

When you sit down and see who really causes the problems, it's never the immigrants. All they try to do is carve out a better life.

I may be prejudiced, but I sure as hell know right from wrong. And, most of the problems I see come from white men, not from the immigrants or blacks.

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#296 Consumer Comment

This is a REAL problem, Paul! Its about the fact that soooo many Mexicans want to escape Mexico they are OVERCROWDING southern California

AUTHOR: Jessica - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Monday, October 17, 2005

Paul, the last comment you made was a lot better than your first one, I must say.

Let's get this straight though. I believe for most of us who have added to this post over the last few years, this is not about being racist. I emphasize MOST OF US, as I have seen quite a few racist postings. Its about the fact that soooo many Mexicans want to escape Mexico they are OVERCROWDING southern California. Do you disagree? You live in Anaheim, which is where I work. They are all over the place!! If you can buy products in the supermarket in Spanish, can take the freakin DMV test in Spanish ( which is absurd---if you can't speak the language, how can you read traffic signs??), Spanish billboards cover the cities, and everywhere you go you hear Spanish, don't you think that is overcrowding?? I would feel this exact same way if it was a flood of Russians coming over here or Chinese people. It's the concept! It is statistically proven the illegal population has added to the percentage of accidents cause by uninsured drivers. Does that not affect our economy here?

A crime is being committed here and there needs to be a lot more done to enforce it. Bottom line! I certainly would never suggest the National Guard sitting at the border, picking people off but something else should be done. There needs to be strict consequences and the Mexicans who are thinking about running or swimming over here need know that.

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#295 Consumer Suggestion

The solution is learning to get along with everyone else in the world. The problem is that many people here simply won't accept that.

AUTHOR: Paul - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Saturday, October 15, 2005

Unless you live on an island all by yourself, you will need to get along with the rest of the people in the world.

Yes, you can spend your days cursing every time you see a Mexican or an Asian immigrant. There are people who spend their whole lives doing that.

Where does it get them?

Hey, I'm just as racist as the next white man.

But, I look at the reality of the world. The Mexican immigrants are the people who work to make my food. They take jobs in food processing plants for low wages. Some of them take hard manual labor jobs for low wages. Where is the harm in what they are doing?

Immigrants are everywhere. The lady who cuts my hair is a Mexican immigrant. The restaurant that makes my tacos employs Mexican cooks.

Now, I don't get involved with these people personally. But, all I see when I look at them is someone who is going to work each day and struggling to make a living. Just like the rest of us.

Sure, I could point to their skin and use that as a reason to hate them. But, what possible good would that do me?

If I replaced all the immigrants in this country with white people, would my life suddenly be a whole lot better? I can't see how.

The immigrants here make little or no difference in the quality of my life. So, I leave them alone and concentrate on the real problems.

The one thing I know is that life is short. So, I'm not going to waste one second of it thinking about all the hate and anger I have for some immigrant who does absolutely nothing to affect me.

But, the rest of you are free to go on hating and cursing others.

See where it gets you!

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#294 Consumer Suggestion

Look for a solution not a bunch of comments that are doing nothing to help out Americans and people trying to become Americans.

AUTHOR: Mark - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Friday, October 14, 2005

Paul your all over the place your all over the place with your statements and stereotypes. from what you write you seem racist against white people and if your white then the answer is you hate yourself. Look for a solution not a bunch of comments that are doing nothing to help out Americans and people trying to become Americans. You go right to race because you are ignorant and clueless about what is going on. This web site is not about boosting your ego its about resolution.

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#293 Consumer Suggestion

get off the race thing people.

AUTHOR: Mark - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Friday, October 14, 2005

I don't care if you are white, black, brown Hispanic ,oriental European Canadian etc... if you illegal you are breaking the law. illegal is what? illegal against the law .All illegals hurt this country making it more difficult to get a job because illegals work for so much less, lets see they don't carry insurance you better have more than liability if you get in a wreck with an illegal what your not covered with just the min liability. second health insurance is non existent for the not wealthy people of this country. cost for rent is more since most Americans don't live with 20 to 30 other illegals that they split the rent with. You want to create jobs stop illegal immigration, want to be able to afford insurance stop illegal immigration, want to stop over crowded schools stop illegal immigration want to stop over priced rent stop illegal immigration supply and demand know who is coming in and out of your country stop illegal immigration. As for the Europeans taking the land yes and so did Indian tribes take from one another so did Africans so did English to the Scottish and Irish so did the Egyptians to the Jews not saying it was right but that has nothing to do with the people of today. its like saying your grandfather killed a innocent person are you responsible for that killing hell no. We must not forget but we must move on in order to be productive your family did have land taken away from them then claim it that is your right. The problem is that a lot of people like to be victims and that is their choice but your preaching to the wrong person here i don't want to hear your victim plea.Lets let illegals know that we are not going to stand for them coming into this country illegally if the want to come here do it the right way legal.People lets get off this race thing we are all of the same race the human race its ok to be proud of what you are but not to think your better than someone else that is plain wrong.the job creation would be securing our borders all around our country creating lots of jobs for all Americans, we need to punish the people that hire illigals with step and stiff penalties and make them pay for the deportation, this country will flourish if we stop this illegal immigration and to add it will be much safer and reward people that do it legal.

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#292 Consumer Comment

You obviously don't live in an area that has been overrun with ILLEGALS.

AUTHOR: Brenda - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Monday, October 10, 2005

Patrick, what is so ridiculus about it? A lot of countries handle their borders this way. You obviously don't live in an area that has been overrun with ILLEGALS.

When you have to pay more for a long distance call waiting for the Spanish menu to stop, are a victim of a crime by one of these people, or are turned down for a job because you don't speak Spanish, don't come whining to me about it.

If these people can't come here legally, assimilate and learn English, they need to be thrown out!

Americans are very hard workers, we have the lowest amount of vacation time of just about anyone in the world. A lot of jobs have been sent to Mexico (including my husbands), India, Asia, etc. This is big corporate greed, enabled by bribes (oops, lobbying) to goverment officials. Not only do they get cheap labor, they get tax breaks for destroying the American economy. How about that being ridiculus?

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#291 Consumer Comment

Pat, shoot all toothless inbreds that make ridiculous statements like you!

AUTHOR: Patrick - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Sunday, October 09, 2005

Brenda, do me just one favor. If anyone ask you what country you're from, don't let 'em know you live here.

"If they step foot on American soil, shoot them and throw the bodies back over the fence. I bet they will quit coming here illegaly."

What a ridiculous statement, and one which shows your complete lack of maturity. I'd rather we shoot all toothless inbreds..

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#290 Consumer Comment

The solution would seem to be to change their corrupt government.

AUTHOR: Marc - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Sunday, October 09, 2005

I have mixed feelings about immigration, but would like to know why is Mexico so poor that the citizens want out, and why is it allowed to go on.. Maybe an armed revolution is called for, surely Mexico could be a great agricultural or manufacturing country and Mexicans only want jobs to feed their families. It just seems Mexico is overlooked when we want to shape the world, as in Iraq. I hate seeing illegals cross our borders because I know a percentage of them are criminals, but I don't blame otherwise honest people for trying to better their lives. The solution would seem to be to change their corrupt government.

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#289 Consumer Comment

The solution would seem to be to change their corrupt government.

AUTHOR: Marc - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Sunday, October 09, 2005

I have mixed feelings about immigration, but would like to know why is Mexico so poor that the citizens want out, and why is it allowed to go on.. Maybe an armed revolution is called for, surely Mexico could be a great agricultural or manufacturing country and Mexicans only want jobs to feed their families. It just seems Mexico is overlooked when we want to shape the world, as in Iraq. I hate seeing illegals cross our borders because I know a percentage of them are criminals, but I don't blame otherwise honest people for trying to better their lives. The solution would seem to be to change their corrupt government.

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#288 Consumer Comment

The solution would seem to be to change their corrupt government.

AUTHOR: Marc - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Sunday, October 09, 2005

I have mixed feelings about immigration, but would like to know why is Mexico so poor that the citizens want out, and why is it allowed to go on.. Maybe an armed revolution is called for, surely Mexico could be a great agricultural or manufacturing country and Mexicans only want jobs to feed their families. It just seems Mexico is overlooked when we want to shape the world, as in Iraq. I hate seeing illegals cross our borders because I know a percentage of them are criminals, but I don't blame otherwise honest people for trying to better their lives. The solution would seem to be to change their corrupt government.

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#287 Consumer Comment

Common Sense? The problem is with illegals getting services that I cannot.

AUTHOR: Brenda - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Sunday, October 09, 2005

The language of this country is English, period. If they won't learn it, get out. It is supposed to be a melting pot, not a get everything your way platter!

Bring the NATIONAL GUARD back home where they belong to patrol the borders. If they step foot on American soil, shoot them and throw the bodies back over the fence. I bet they will quit coming here illegaly.

Illegal aliens are entitled to nothing, I don't care if they are Mexican, Canadian, Russian, whatever.

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#286 Consumer Comment

Paul--you are WAY off.

AUTHOR: Jessica - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Sunday, October 09, 2005

Let's get something straight Paul--if I didn't like people of other races I would have no qualms in stating that fact. I have friends of all races. I have friends of Hispanic heritage that came here the right way, don't mooch off the system, don't have tons of babies on our money, and got great educations. They are law abiding, hard working citizens. They have car insurance. They don't go around trashing America. They SPEAK ENGLISH. Apparently it seems too much to ask that the people who live here speak the language, as far as you are concerned right? That definitely makes me a racist, doesn't it? Paul, you live in Anaheim, which is crawling with Mexicans. I would think you know exactly what I'm talking about.

So if you were to move to France permanently you would learn the language right? Or would you expect the rest of the country to learn your language and adapt to you? The ones who come here make no effort. Obviously or we wouldn't have billboards in Spanish, commercials in Spanish, and full channels dedicated to Spanish. And for you to compare a law against breathing with border bandits making a mad ILLEGAL dash for this country, you are just an idiot.

Once again Robert--I agree with you!

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#285 Consumer Comment

The majority of Mexicans entering DO have the paperwork, and nobody is calling for their deportation.

AUTHOR: Robert - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Saturday, October 08, 2005

Paul, you are off the target

Nobody says they are illegal because they are Mexican. They are illegal because they do not have the proper documentation required by ALL immigrants entering this country, no matter where they are coming from. The majority of Mexicans entering DO have the paperwork, and nobody is calling for their deportation. That is because they are here LEGALLY. The vast majority of LEGAL immigrants want the ILLEGAL immigrants thrown out. Even in your lovely state, the voters voted, icluding the naturalized citizens, and wanted the funding of benefits to illegals stopped. A liberal Judge threw out the Proposition after it passed, claiming the voters did not understand the matter. They ALL understood the issue at hand, he did not care.

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#284 Consumer Suggestion

If the idiot lawmakers make it illegal to breathe the air, then what will you say?

AUTHOR: Paul - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Friday, October 07, 2005

In this country, laws are made by people who don't have one little bit of concern about you or any other American citizen.

A perfect example is the seat belt law. Do you think elected officials are worried about you getting injured in a car accident? Not on your life. They couldn't care less about you or me.

The made the law because they were paid to make it by the insurance industry.

Anyone can get a law made. All you have to do is bribe a politician.

So, don't sit there and tell me that Mexicans shouldn't be in this country because they are illegal. That just makes you look like a jackass.

Tell me you don't like Mexicans. Tell me you don't like people with dark skin. Tell me you don't want anyone here who can't speak English.

If you do that, it will tell me and everyone else that you don't like sharing the world with other people. Let's face it, there are many races and nationalities on this planet. People try to build fences and put up borders to separate them.

Perhaps you feel that every race should be separated from one another.

As for me, I judge people by their actions. I'd much rather have a peaceful, employed, dark-skinned latino who only speaks Spanish living next-door rather than a d**n drunken white a*****e who comes home and beats his wife and kids each day.

Judge people on their actions. Actions are something that people have some control over.

Race, or language, or skin color or religion is something most people have no control over.

Laws don't mean s**t. They are made by idiots. So, don't use them as your excuse. If you don't like someone, step up and tell the world exactly why. Don't hide behind some law made by a jackass politician who lives from one handout to another.

Besides, if you come here and tell latinos exactly what you don't like, maybe they will try to change their behavior to be more acceptable in America. Most of them come here and try to fit in. They struggle to learn the language and pay for the things required by law, when they can afford them.

Tell them what to change to be more acceptable to you. Maybe they'll try to do that, if your suggestion is at all reasonable.

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#283 Consumer Comment

ILLEGAL is the keyword here. Thanks Anna.

AUTHOR: Jessica - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Friday, October 07, 2005

Thanks Anna for pointing out these people are commiting a crime. Bottom line!!

I saw the most disgusting thing the other day while driving with my boyfriend. The truck in front of ours had a sticker that read "AMERICA" with someone pissing on it. My boyfriend gets around this guy so we can be next to him at the next light and who does it turn out to be? A mexican!! Hey if you don't like it here get the hell out, Juan!! It took all the power I had to keep my boyfriend from getting out of the car and pounding that guys face in right then and there.

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#282 Consumer Suggestion

ILLEGAL - Definition

AUTHOR: Anna - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Friday, October 07, 2005

illegal (ĭ-l'gəl)
adj.
Prohibited by law.
Prohibited by official rules: an illegal pass in football.
Unacceptable to or not performable by a computer: an illegal operation.
n.
An illegal immigrant.

illegal

adjective

Prohibited by law: illegitimate, illicit, lawless, outlawed, unlawful, wrongful. See crimes, law.
Of, involving, or being a crime: criminal, illegitimate, illicit, lawless, unlawful, wrongful. See crimes.

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#281 Consumer Comment

Jessica, don't bother with these Cannucks

AUTHOR: Robert - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Monday, September 19, 2005

They not only know NOTHING about American history, they know very little about ANY history, including their own. My ongoing battle with James from Calgary proves this. Maybe James and Anna can go searching for U-Boats in Lake Ontario together. What reall y gets me is WHY do these Canadian Ponces even CARE about what we do down here to secure our country. They should be glad we have the ability to protect them, since they won't defend themselves...never have, never will.

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#280 Consumer Comment

Anna--also make sure you know American history before you start rambling about it!

AUTHOR: Jessica - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Monday, September 19, 2005

Oh yeah. Some advice--why don't you be sure you actually KNOW American history before you start talking about it. Looks like you are a little uninformed. But hey, I'm American and don't know much about Canadian history so I wouldn't expect you to know much about American history. Spell check is useful as well. Last time I checked, 'learnt' wasn't a word. Don't they teach you how to spell in Canada?

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#279 Consumer Comment

Wow. Anna is CLUELESS! Since you think picking fruits and vegetables is such a great job maybe you should come down here and do it!

AUTHOR: Jessica - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Monday, September 19, 2005

Anna I have to give it to you. Your response is one of the most clueless comments I have ever read. Like someone living in Canada knows CRAP about being an American.

Let me educate you- there is a reason why America is known as a melting pot. That is one of the things that makes our country great. We welcome anyone here. God forbid we ask them to do it legally!! Wow, that certainly does make us prejudice doesn't it?

Since you think picking fruits and vegetables is such a great job maybe you should come down here and do it! You are right on another thing--it does make us WASPS lazy because we actually strive for education and careers beyond a lawnmower. It definitely makes for a lazy person who spends 4 plus years in college and goes to work for a major company working 60 hours a week. You are right...absolute laziness!!

Thanks for setting me straight, Anna.

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#278 Consumer Comment

They have violated Federal law.

AUTHOR: Mark - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Sunday, September 18, 2005

My two cents:

These people are here illegaly. They have violated Federal law. They need to be deported, the business that hires them need to fined and owner jailed.

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#277 Consumer Suggestion

I can match the work output of a Mexican immigrant if I have to. Many Americans can. The difference is that we have better options.

AUTHOR: Paul - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Saturday, September 17, 2005

I have matched the work output of even the toughest Mexican workers at various times in my life. I had a little company that poured cement walkways and slabs for patios. Anyone who has ever worked with concrete knows that you will break your back doing it.

But, I did it for a while. And, I've seen many other Americans who could easily match an immigrant pound for pound, workload for workload.

The difference is that we don't have to do that day in and day out. We have other opportunities. We MAKE other opportunities.

Hispanic immigrants have those same options. They come with nothing. The live cheap and save for the future. One day, they own a small restaurant instead of just washing dishes at one.

That's the American promise of opportunity. That exactly what they didn't have back in Mexico.

And, that probably explain why they migrate here in the first place.

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#276 Consumer Comment

No appreciation for Mexican farm workers

AUTHOR: Anna - (Canada)

POSTED: Saturday, September 17, 2005

I am very distured reading your comments regarding Mexican farm workers who come to the US to work on your farms and fruit orchards, so that obese and lazy WASPS. (The name I learnt while living in the US: White Anglo-Saxon Protestant) can eat fresh fruits and vegetables.

If you complain so much about Mexicans taking over your jobs, so why don't the lazy Anglos get off their fat buds and pick their own fruits and vegetables?

The land on which the ignorant whites live on presently, was given to them during the Mexican Revolution. This land originally belonged to the Mexican people, so learn to share the land with them.

I lived in the US and for the first time in my life, I was shocked to learn about American prejudice and racism.

Where I come from, we accept all various nationalities with whom we live in peace. Americans are known to be brutal and still to this day, have not as yet learn to accept other nationalities.

Have you forgotten your Commandment: Love thy neighbor as thyself!

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#275 Consumer Comment

No appreciation for Mexican farm workers

AUTHOR: Anna - (Canada)

POSTED: Saturday, September 17, 2005

I am very distured reading your comments regarding Mexican farm workers who come to the US to work on your farms and fruit orchards, so that obese and lazy WASPS. (The name I learnt while living in the US: White Anglo-Saxon Protestant) can eat fresh fruits and vegetables.

If you complain so much about Mexicans taking over your jobs, so why don't the lazy Anglos get off their fat buds and pick their own fruits and vegetables?

The land on which the ignorant whites live on presently, was given to them during the Mexican Revolution. This land originally belonged to the Mexican people, so learn to share the land with them.

I lived in the US and for the first time in my life, I was shocked to learn about American prejudice and racism.

Where I come from, we accept all various nationalities with whom we live in peace. Americans are known to be brutal and still to this day, have not as yet learn to accept other nationalities.

Have you forgotten your Commandment: Love thy neighbor as thyself!

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#274 Consumer Comment

No appreciation for Mexican farm workers

AUTHOR: Anna - (Canada)

POSTED: Saturday, September 17, 2005

I am very distured reading your comments regarding Mexican farm workers who come to the US to work on your farms and fruit orchards, so that obese and lazy WASPS. (The name I learnt while living in the US: White Anglo-Saxon Protestant) can eat fresh fruits and vegetables.

If you complain so much about Mexicans taking over your jobs, so why don't the lazy Anglos get off their fat buds and pick their own fruits and vegetables?

The land on which the ignorant whites live on presently, was given to them during the Mexican Revolution. This land originally belonged to the Mexican people, so learn to share the land with them.

I lived in the US and for the first time in my life, I was shocked to learn about American prejudice and racism.

Where I come from, we accept all various nationalities with whom we live in peace. Americans are known to be brutal and still to this day, have not as yet learn to accept other nationalities.

Have you forgotten your Commandment: Love thy neighbor as thyself!

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#273 Consumer Comment

Oh Mama

AUTHOR: Boz - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Friday, September 16, 2005

Hello this is Texino the Mexican poet from Panama and here is a poem Just for you:

Oh Mama. they has shot me in the butt with the toobrush gun and all I did was smile at one who looked at me nice but I guess I looked twice and that's agin the law. Oh Mama. I have broke every rule that they asked my to break and took every drug that they told me to take. Oh Mama it's time to wrap up against the fight and cover my face away from my fate but my foot prints will track over the whole goddamn state each step pointed to home. And the only sounds you hear will be sobs of the crazy militia men doing our jobs, doing our jobs doing our jobs; busting their a*s to be second class. while we do just fine back home, keeping it even and strong just like we planed all along, while you whites are just barely getting along just like a bunch of dumb niggers! Ole'

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#272 Consumer Comment

Right on Ashley.

AUTHOR: Jessica - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Thursday, September 15, 2005

I posted a response to you ED last week and it's interesting that it never made it to the actual page. Anyway, what I had stated is that my landscaper friend has employees of a few different nationalities. Landscaping and doing yard work is not exclusive to Mexicans. He did like to hire the illegals because he felt sorry for them to an extent. They made the same as his other guys. He stopped hiring the ones on the corners of Home Depot because they can't speak hardly a word of English and his customers were complaining that they could not communicate with them. He actually LOST BUSINESS because of it.

Most of the time you don't see anyone other than the illegals doing the yardwork because most Americans generally want something more than pulling weeds and mowing lawns all day. Most Americans strive to be the best they can at their jobs and want more so they go out and get it. So to say that only the Mexicans will do that work because whites or any other race are too lazy to do it is ridiculous. I am white and I work my butt off at my job. My office is full of people of all different races who equally work their butts off as well. To say no one else will mow the lawns because they are too lazy is crap. Everyone else just wants more from life. It is probably true that most employers won't hire them to do anything else and that would be because they CANT SPEAK OR WRITE ENGLISH. Come over here with an education, the ability to read and write the country's language (which last time I checked was English but it probably won't be long before it's Spanish), and I'm sure they could get a different job. Of course they would have to be legal which probably presents a huge problem for 90% of them.

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#271 Consumer Suggestion

No.. ..& EDitor's comments to this above

AUTHOR: Ashley - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Tuesday, September 06, 2005

Ed, I am a white American that works as hard as anyone else and I don't appreciate being told that I work less hard than someone else on the basis of race and nationality! I am really sick of this race card being tossed around.. I refuse to feel guilty because I am white. I work constantly and still make less than illegal aliens who are younger than I am and lack even a high school education. Many of my peers would jump at the chance to make what they do, but still make less.

I agree that we should prosecute employers who hire illegals to the fullest extent because of the deplorable conditions they sometimes make them work in. However, I still refuse to feel more than a little bit of pity because of the amount they supposedly make when I know that they make more than I do AND when they come here willingly! Please do not call white Americans lazy, because it isn't true and I'm living proof.

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#270 Consumer Comment

If your friends are ready to do that work, then, tell them to stand on those corners that illegals use..

AUTHOR: . - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Tuesday, September 06, 2005
EDitor's Comments to Ashley's REBUTTAL below..

No one is saying you should feel guilty.

Ashley, you make less because you are not doing the hard work theses illegals are doing. No one is saying you could not do that work, If your friends are ready to do that work, then, tell them to stand on those corners that illegals use.. I know for a FACT, that these construction supervisors will pick up the illgals before picking up any American looking person, black or white.

No matter what city you see illegals standing around for work, there is a reason for that. Business owners cannot find anyone else to do the job. If they could find your friends, I would bet they would not work as long and hard as the illegals And, in most cases, American workers like you are not available for the dirty work they are making them selves available for. Even the construction jobs building houses, the harder and more reliable worker, with no drama will be the illegal worker in most cases.

Do you think the business that pick them up for work are forced to pay those high wages? If they were not worth the money, they would not be making those high wages. If there were no market for their services, we would not have the over abundance of, but, the demand for their services is very high.

On another note, overall, I think woman workers are more reliable than men, smarter, better managers and leaders, and woman should be paid more than men. Any argument on that subject?

Ed Magedson Founder
www.ripoffreport.com
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#269 Consumer Comment

They make $150 a day in Long Beach...

AUTHOR: Jessica - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Friday, September 02, 2005

Great comments Ashley. I,too, am sick of being viewed as a racist because I don't support illegal immigration. I can't stand being accused of being insensitive because I don't support it. That is a bunch of bulls***. I just found out the other day that the illegals who stand out in front of the Home Depot out here wanted to charge $150 bucks a day to my friend's boyfriend who runs a landscaping business. For 8 hours of work $150 a day!! I don't make that much. Give me a break. If they charge that, that must mean there are people out here who have paid that. So I'm sorry that I don't shed tears for the people in these pictures living in the trees. I think it's sad that anyone has to live in that condition but to blame the employer is ludicrous. It is not their employer's fault, bottom line.

I fully support anyone who is willing to take the risk and leave their families to make better lives for themselves. I don't have the courage to move away from my family so I say more power to you. Just do it the right way!! Take responsibility for yourselves. Don't have kids when you can't afford them. Get car insurance. Apply for your greencard. I think it speaks volumes that everywhere you look there are spanish billboards and you can't even call anywhere anymore without having the option to listen in Spanish. Why is that? Because of all the illegals. I can't wait for the government to step it up and take care of it's own people and country for once and do something about this before this country becomes a larger Mexico.

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#268 Consumer Comment

The Illegal Immigration Problem. see things for yourself before acting like you know what really goes on, further than what the media tells you.

AUTHOR: Ashley - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Tuesday, August 30, 2005

There are certainly a lot of uninformed people here! Some people need to take a little trip down to Phoenix, Los Angeles, etc. and see things for yourself before acting like you know what really goes on, further than what the media tells you.

First of all, Mesa is paradise compared to South Phoenix where I was unfortunately born and raised!! I have lived here for my entire life, I think I know the severity of the illegal immigration problem.

Second of all, the illegal workers get $15 an hour here to work on a roof. Excuse me.. but I have a degree and that is what I make!! Cheap labor.. no not really, I'm sure pretty much any teen or homeless person would gladly and willingly work for those kind of wages on a roof. That is one of the largest misconceptions about the immigration debate. If they are cheap labor, then I am slave labor!

Now I definitely understand why someone would want to come to this great country from Mexico. Their corrupt government, substandard living conditions, drug cartels and child prostitution are a few reasons.

But hey people.. illegal means illegal! What's the misunderstanding? Finally, officials are starting to catch on by declaring states of emergency.

I am really sick of being labelled a racist because I don't support illegal immigration. I guess the majority of Arizona is also racist then? First of all, half of my family is Hispanic so that is bizarre and silly. I could easily take a racist standpoint by saying that my car has been wrecked into four times, I've been almost raped once and had my stereo stolen by Hispanics. However, I will say that all of the crime that has been committed on me and my family HAS been by illegal immigrants. So.. not racist, just factual. Not only is letting anyone who wants to come here illegal, but dangerous.

I am excited to finally see progress on a federal level regarding this issue.

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#267 Consumer Comment

Another response to Ed

AUTHOR: Jessica - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Monday, August 22, 2005

Ed,

Just because I don't agree with your point of view, it does not mean I don't care about people's civil rights.

I don't know how many ways I have to say it. No one is forcing them to be here. I will agree with you on one point--the government needs to step it up. There needs to be a lot more improvement when it comes to protecting our borders.

I don't really want to get in a full fledged, heated debate with you. Looks like I share the opinion of most of these readers and I am going to leave it at that.

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#266 Consumer Comment

Another response to Ed

AUTHOR: Jessica - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Monday, August 22, 2005

Ed,

Just because I don't agree with your point of view, it does not mean I don't care about people's civil rights.

I don't know how many ways I have to say it. No one is forcing them to be here. I will agree with you on one point--the government needs to step it up. There needs to be a lot more improvement when it comes to protecting our borders.

I don't really want to get in a full fledged, heated debate with you. Looks like I share the opinion of most of these readers and I am going to leave it at that.

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Another response to Ed

AUTHOR: Jessica - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Monday, August 22, 2005

Ed,

Just because I don't agree with your point of view, it does not mean I don't care about people's civil rights.

I don't know how many ways I have to say it. No one is forcing them to be here. I will agree with you on one point--the government needs to step it up. There needs to be a lot more improvement when it comes to protecting our borders.

I don't really want to get in a full fledged, heated debate with you. Looks like I share the opinion of most of these readers and I am going to leave it at that.

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#264 Consumer Comment

Another response to Ed

AUTHOR: Jessica - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Monday, August 22, 2005

Ed,

Just because I don't agree with your point of view, it does not mean I don't care about people's civil rights.

I don't know how many ways I have to say it. No one is forcing them to be here. I will agree with you on one point--the government needs to step it up. There needs to be a lot more improvement when it comes to protecting our borders.

I don't really want to get in a full fledged, heated debate with you. Looks like I share the opinion of most of these readers and I am going to leave it at that.

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EDitor's comment: Jessica, you are missing the point These Hispanic workers from Mexico, Central America to Columbia that come here are mislead, all fueled by Americans who thrive on their labor.

AUTHOR: EDitor@ripoffreport.com - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Monday, August 22, 2005

Jessica, you are missing the point you still haven't a clue!

These Hispanic workers from Mexico, Central America to Columbia that come here are mislead, all fueled by Americans who thrive on their labor. They are abused by the coyotes, who charge exorbitant fees to bring them here. Just read the news and you will read about corrupt INS and Customs officers who take bribes to look the other way. Meanwhile, the final payments to the coyotes are extracted from the already low wages of these poor people, thus requiring they work even longer and harder.

Furthermore, would you go through these conditions? Unless you are Native American, your ancestors were immigrants. This nation was formed as a refuge for immigrants. Check out the inscription at the base of the Statue of Liberty.
"Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me,
I lift my lamp beside the golden door!"


Their government SUCKS. They escape because they are desperate for food and the bear essentials to live in Mexico. They come here to work and send money to their family members every week. If your family were born into their same unfortunate situation, would your brother come to make the dangerous trip to the US to try and fend for his parents, brothers and sisters who are starving back home? Perhaps you cannot understand because you do not have the deep family ties that these people have. Sad, but the most priviledged of our society lack the very thing that makes this country great... family. Perhaps, we need more, instead of less of an infusion of this culture.

Did you know that these unfortunate humans are solicited and promised work and a better life by the Mexican coyotes ..those are the ones in Mexico that are hired by Americans here in the US to bring them over. You did not know that did you.?

And No, I don't like the idea of all this either, but, they are here and we have no choice but to treat them properly and they have no choice; it's a matter of survival. I know they put a strain on our school system and our health care system here in Arizona.. but, while our government lets them come here, we have to treat them like human beings. If our government really didn't want illegals' here, the borders would have been blocked long ago. Additionally, it shows our hypocracy each time we arrest an "illegal" and look the other way for the benefit of the company or business who employs them and complains about them. You should know that it is documented that this class of people also pays into our social security system, from which they statistically will never recoup... even if they stay in this country until they die.

You may point to the loss of property that occurs at the hands of these people, but again there are insurance companies who sell bogus insurance cards to fool the local police, if stopped. Our investigators have uncovered scams right here in Arizona by "legitimate" insurance companies.

Some days our cities, state and federal governments think it's OK for them to be here. Then, when some local politician gets a wild hair up their butt, or they think its time for some publicity, they start their raids.

Who the heck do you think are using them!? Rip-off Report has a recent video tape of illegal undocumented workers that are doing work for two different cities here in Arizona. How's that? The city contracts one of their good old boys then, they go and pick up the illegals' to work on our roads. Some get paid in cash, most are on the books under some fraudulent social security number. How much sense does it make to turn around and spend taxpayers money then to arrest and incarcerate them?

Jessica, You cannot see the abuse becuase you're not looking for it. More than lilkey you could care less.... If you did, you would not be making these comments.

ED Magedson - Founder
www.ripoffreport.com
www.MesaAZcorruptionReport.com

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Response to the editor's response

AUTHOR: Jessica - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Sunday, August 21, 2005

I disagree. I am not missing the point here. How are they being abused? Is the crap being beaten out of them to do the work as though they were slaves? No! Are they being abused because they live in a yard? No! It is up to them to find their own housing. They are not being forced over here. They come over here on their own free will, bottom line. I guess you have your feelings about this and I have mine.

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#261 Consumer Comment

They need to be deported if they are not here legally, - EDitor's Comment below... give me a break!

AUTHOR: Jessica - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Saturday, August 20, 2005

If these immigrants are not here legally, they need to be deported--end of story!! They are plenty of immigrants who come here and do the right thing. It takes time, yes, but they do it the right way and get all their necessary paperwork. The people in the pictures above came here on their own free will. It is no one else's fault that they live in trees. My employer isn't expected to put me up in a place to live so why are you complaining about the farmers not putting up their illegals?? There are homeless people all over L.A. who don't have a mattress to sleep on like these people and no one rights a report about them! Maybe they are getting paid next to nothing but it is still their choice to take that pay. Anyone who says the white people won't do that are full of crap. Their are plenty of poor people of all races around this country that would take those jobs if they have to. The difference is, those illegals will take any pay they can get so there aren't a lot left for the rest of the poor people.

Why should we feel sorry for these people? They came here illegally, period. They come here with their 10 kids and have even more while they are here and pop em out without paying a penny to the hospital. Why is the states want to give illegals drivers licenses? To try and lower the number of illegals who cause accidents without insurance!! That is pathetic!! I am so sick of hearing mexicans gripe about what its like for them here. If you don't like it, get the hell out! If you want to come here, do it the right way!!

Oh yeah . This is America and we speak English here! If you move to France, you are expected to speak French right? So why should we have to conform to the millions of illegals in this country?? I refuse to learn the language. I speak English and that is all I will ever speak unless I decide to move to another country. I'm sick of the site of billboards in Spanish. The idiot advertisers are just encouraging it. It makes me sick.

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#260 Consumer Comment

Blame The Rich

AUTHOR: Dave - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Wednesday, August 17, 2005

Could we live without the services provided by illegal Immigrants?...not a problem for the average person.

Only the Slave Masters and the Slaves would be at risk. There must be something in this arrangment that works for both sides...supply and demand. When you strip away all the emotional crap you are left with people who will do anything to better their own interests.

The Slave Master wants create a business where they see the greatest return on their product, if they can't compete with Hop Sing's orchards in Tim-buk-too without hiring Slaves then thats their peoblem. The consumer will always adapt; buy from other countries or do with out.

The Slave will only subject themselfs to Slave Master conditions if those conditions are better than what they left.

Life is all about choices, the Slave Master's choice is greed. The Slave's choice is hope. I would side with hope...I hope the Slaves rise up and eat the Masters, cuz in todays World this planet is on the Highway to Hell thanks to the Greed Monsters.

I love the "buy American" mentality...who made that Computer you're using? Until we all learn to live "without", we are all guilty of feeding the Monster. Sleep well all, LOL.

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#259 Consumer Suggestion

Three Cheers For The MINUTEMEN ...HIP HIP HOORAY !!!

AUTHOR: Susan - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Friday, July 29, 2005

The MINUTEMEN are coming to Columbus, New Mexico. They are scheduled to be here in October and that will be non too soon for me. I only hope they can stay until our border is secure.

Perhaps the wimps in Washington who refuse to address the problem of ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION will one day demand that our present immigration laws are enforced and put the minutemen out of business.

For those of you who feel threatened by the Minutemen, write your Congressmen and Senators and urge them to enforce the immigration laws we already have on the books and the Minutemen will be history.

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#258 Consumer Comment

BOO h*o - I am soooo sick of ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS period!

AUTHOR: Stacey - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Thursday, July 21, 2005

My sister in law is a legal resident of this country - Every time she has to apply to a new card my brother and sister in law have to get up at 3 am to drive to INS to stand in line - They pay the appropriate fees and then go home - Texas is being taken over by MEXICANS WHO ARE HERE ILLEGALLY! I refuse to learn Spanish for that is not the language of the USA - How do I know that they are not terrorist? What is the reason their families sue our government because a family member died coming into this country ILLEGALLY! or paying a smuggler who happens to crash or leave them in the back of an 18 Wheeler - Where do we draw the line? Who pays for all the damage these "poor people" do to properties in Arizona while they ILLEGALLY SNEAK INTO THIS COUNTRY!

Who pays to house these people, educate their children, pay for their medical care - welllll let me think - I DO! WITH TAXES AND HIGHER PREMIUMS ON MY MEDICAL INSURANCE! AND BELIEVE ME I KNOW HOW THEY SCAM - EXAMPLE - PRESIDIO COUNTY - THE MEXICANS COME OVER FROM OJINAJA (MY SPELLING IS NOT PERFECT) GET A PO BOX, APPLY FOR FOOD STAMPS, MEDICAID, WIC - GET IT AND GOT BACK HOME TO MEXICO - SOOOO BYE BYE TAX DOLLARS AND MONEY FOR THOSE WHO REALLY NEED IT - IN SHORT I AM SICK AND TIRED OF MY HARD EARNED MONEY GOING TO SUPPORT THOSE WHO THINK IT IS THEIR RIGHT TO BE IN THIS COUNTRY ILLEGALLY - MY GRANDFATHER WAS A GERMAN - HE PROTECTED THE PRESIDENT IN WWII AND WAS PROUD TO BE AN AMERICAN AND NEVER ONCE DID HE COMPLAIN ABOUT THE LANGUAGE OF OUR COUNTRY - SO I SAY TO YOU INDIVIDUALS - YOU WANT TO DISPLAY A MEXICAN FLAG ON YOUR TRUCK, CAR, AT YOUR HOME OR BUSINESS THE GO BACK TO MEXICO IF YOU LOVE IT SO MUCH

VERY VERY MAD

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#257 Consumer Comment

Be fair to Hispanic people

AUTHOR: Leon - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Thursday, July 21, 2005

I live in South Florida and let me tell you all that this place would go to hell if it weren't for all the immigrants here legal or otherwise. These people ARE taken advantage of and they DO work more for less. They are PEOPLE though and many have values which would make some of us high and mighties seem like street trash. I say think about the next time you see a nicely manicured lawn or estate, produce as fresh as the day it was picked in you supermarket or even houses built, streets cleaned and so on and so on.

The fact is that these guys will be picked up on the side of the street at 5:00am and dropped off on whatever jobsite the temp agency guy can find the day before. These guys will work 7, 8, 9 or more hours but guess what?, they stop getting paid after 8 hours.

I have seen these guys sitting at a jobsite and asked them "no trevaho?" they said "mas travaho ocho no deneiro" or something close to that. We take the little things for granted but if you really look a little you will see that immigrants...legal or otherwise are the REAL backbone of America.....nuff said.

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#256 Consumer Comment

Work no one wants????

AUTHOR: Laryssa - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Friday, July 15, 2005

Excuse me?

That is the worst tactic yet. Saying they are doing the work no one wants.

Do you know WHY these people can be treated that way - it is because they have come here ILLEGALLY.

If they had come through in normal channels, guess what? They would not be victims of abuse.

They should not be granted asylum. They were not kidnapped; they can always go back. End of story.

If they don't like it, leave, and go somewhere else...

Work no one wants? Whatever. Don't forget that there are PLENTY of poor WHITE non hispanic people who work the same jobs in other parts of the country, with no breaks, unbearable heat, and little opportunity to complain because they are POOR.

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#255 Consumer Comment

So many crimes... so little time

AUTHOR: Rosina - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Thursday, July 14, 2005

All I can say is UGH... What a drain reading through so much hatred and ignorance.

It seems like there are so many crimes being committed here: By the people who work illegally and don't pay taxes; by the people who hire them and don't pay taxes; and by the local governments who do nothing about it and use up tax money.

Personally I find the crimes against the workers more horrific than the crime of working illegally. I hold great contempt for the human smugglers and employers who would profit from these people's desperation. And, even more contempt for the local government who would choose which crimes should be punished. Crime is crime. And, I doubt the illegal workers would flock here to be abused if we made it tougher for that scenario to exist. Corruption, my friends, starts at the top and trickles down, tainting us all.

Ultimately, Illegal workers should be made legal or deported. The people who hire illegal workers should be prosecuted. The local governments who support a system that creates victims (and you are ALL victims of this) should be dismantled. VOTE people. PICKET. ORGANIZE. And, if you are smart, you will start at the top, with the local politicians who allow this abuse (the abuse of ALL of YOU) to continue, while they vacation in tax-supported luxury.

But, please don't use this economic battlefield as an excuse to hate people who are different from you. It is embarrassing to me as a human being.

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#254 Consumer Comment

If it croaks like a frog and looks like a frog its a Frog!

AUTHOR: Carol Ann - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Wednesday, June 29, 2005

Illegal immigration is a Crime according to the present Laws of the Land. If other aliens emmigrated here legally, why should those from South of the Border be exempt? Nobody enforces the Immigration Laws!

Why should we bear the expenses of Medical, social services and education costs for those who could care less about being good American citizens? California is nearly broke because of them, as we become the suburb of Mexico. They do not want to blend into our society or speak the language of the land. One town in Texas has already changed the laws for court procedures in that Spainish only is spoken in those courts. Some employers here in Nevada, have written ads asking that only Spainish speakers apply for employment. Remember the Alamo? We are watching the dimise of America. First the jobs left Detroit or Illinois and went to Mexico. Michigan and Illinois have not recovered from those job losses and most Americans there are in financial ruin. What jobs do Americans have left? Food Service,sweeping floors, hotel maids etc... Practically everything we used to manufacture and earn good salaries for are now in other countries. Our food supplies are polluted with pesticides, vegetables cross polinated with alergens that can cause severe allergic reactions that are banned here, but are used in those countries we get our food from.

Is it really worth it? Americans are systematically becoming slaves with no rights. Last time I checked that's not democracy!

These facts still do not give documented Americans the right to mistreat or abuse those that are illegal. On the same hand these illegals that are here do cheat Americans, lower wages to poverty levels and will lie in court cases such as Worker's Compensation, especially here in Las Vegas where the casinos do just that. Line illegal aliens up to lie for them to avoid paying compensation to Americans that have been injured by illegal aliens on the job. The illegal alien will do and say anything to keep their position at our expense.

Most of these males are misogynists. They beat their women and come here expecting to do the same on the job to American Women, without any repercussions.

Law enforcement does nothing to protect Americans anymore, because these illegal, undocumented workers will work for little of nothing and represent millions of dollars in profit for large corporations like Monte Carlo Hotel Casino. Did it ever occur to anyone that they are responsible for most of the Identity thefts in this country? It was Identity theft and illegal aliens that were responsible for 911? Why are we giving them so much access to our information?

I agree..the Wall of China should be built along our borders and make it just as deep, complete with electrified fences, motion detectors and cameras.

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#253 Consumer Suggestion

Its not Racism

AUTHOR: Jose - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Wednesday, June 29, 2005

Its not racism to expect these low life's to come here legally. Lets call them what they are. Criminals. Im tired of people telling me I owe them this or that just because Im caucasion. I owe nobody NOTHING. The illegals are ripping us tax payers off who do earn an honest living. They get freebies from the government that us Americans cannot get. So no pitty for them from me. They deserve every bad thing that happens to them as a result of being here illegally.

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#252 Consumer Comment

Here are some things that bother me about the original post.

AUTHOR: Brian - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Monday, June 13, 2005

1. Why worry about them being hungry? They are in an orchard. I see fruit hanging from the trees in your pictures. They come here and get free fruit and a job in a couple days. Doesnt sound bad to me.

2. The "makeshift tree houses". Is that a mattress I see in the picture? Where does one find a mattress in an orchard. Or furniture? Go downtown in your city and you will find homeless people from your country sleeping on the ground with no free fruit option and no job coming in a couple days. Why dont you start a campaign for them.

3. How much worse are these conditions compared to where they fled from? Ive been to mexico. Free fruit and a makeshift treehouses with mattress and furniture is an improvement for many.

4. Why blame the millionaire company owners. They dont ask them to come and trespass on the orchard property. They dont ask them to eat the free fruit. They dont ask them to build makeshift tree houses complete with mattress and furniture and coolers. And even after they do all these things they give them a job. Sounds like some nice forgiving millionaires to me.

5. I think you need to do something other than run around orchards taking pictures of these so called inhumane treatments of people that chose to come here illegally anyway.

6. Bottom line, they came here on their own. They get a job. They are better off here than where they came from or they would go back.

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#251 Consumer Comment

You can't do what they do

AUTHOR: Karlton - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Sunday, May 22, 2005

Rosa what I would do for my children is exactly do what I am doing, working hard, obeying the law, teaching my children that service to my country, my community, my family is all about.
I would NEVER take them out of my country because life is easier in another country. If that is your logic lets all move to Norway where all social programs are free like lifetime health-care.

When did illegal migration = social entitlement? The USA should send Mexico all the taxes and all the unpaid bills including education bills for all the "migrants" that cross the border. Oh and the bill for housing all the illegals who do not obey our laws and end up in our jails. Then there is the problem of the illegals who drive with no insurance no license (BECAUSE THEY ARE NOT HERE UNDER THE LAW) who cause death and harm Americans. I was hit by a car full of drunk Mexicans when I was 18 years old. Never received a dime for my suffering I will have for my whole life due to your entitled buddies who simply moved back to Mexico.

You can't move to Mexico and set up life as easy as it is for them to move to the USA and suck off the social tit of the American commerce system. Period.

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#250 Consumer Comment

IF YOU ARE IN THE IMIGRANTS POSITION OR PLACE WHAT WOULD YOU NOT DO FOR YOUR CHILDREN.

AUTHOR: Rosa - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Saturday, May 21, 2005

I. DON'T KNOW WHY YOU PEOPLE SAY ALL THIS BULLSHIT ABOUT MEXICAN'S, EVERY BODY LOOK AROUND CARFULLY." EVERY BODY" ,NEED THE IMIGRANTS , JUST LOOK ARROWND YOU ,IF YOU TAKE APPLES, ORANGES... ANYTHING, AND IF YOU DONT KNOW WERE IT CAME FROM ,OR WHO MADE IT FOR YOU AND FOR YOY FAMILY THINK FIRST AND SAY THANK YOU BECAUSE NO ONE IS TAKING NOTHING FROM YOU EVERYONE WORKS FOR WHAT THEY HAVE.

AND I BELIEVE THAT YA'LL CAN'T HANDLE THAT MUCH WORK, SO YOU NEED THEIR HELP JUST LIKE ANYBODY ELSE

SO NO BODDY IS ILIGAL, WHEN TRYING TO FEED THEIR FAMILLY WITH ALL YOU CAN GIVE, EVEN YOUR OWN LIFE.

I JUST SAY THIS ,IF YOU ARE IN THE IMIGRANTS POSITION OR PLACE WHAT WOULD YOU NOT DO FOR YOUR CHILDREN.

IF THE ANIMALS THAT ARE ANIMALS IMIGRANT FROM OTHER COUNTRIES, DO YOU KNOW THE REASON WHY? BETTER PLACE, BETTER LIFE, FOR THEIR FAMILIES.

SO YOU WOULD NEVER IMIGRANT TO ANOTHER THAT WOULD
OFFER YOU A BETTER WAY OF LIFE FOR YOU AND YOUR FAMILY, RISKING YOUR LIFE ASWELL.

JUST THINK EVERYONE IS HUMAN AND WANT WHATEVER IS BEST, AND EVERYONE IS EQUAL NO ONE IS BETTER THAT THE OTHER. YOU BREATHE THEY BREATHE THE SAME AIR AND EVERYONE HAS A HEART AND MIND

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#249 Consumer Comment

Can we not all get along?? We don't need sagergation..

AUTHOR: Alysa - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Sunday, May 15, 2005

It sickens me to read all the comments and conflict!!! The problem with this world is that everone feels superior to everyone!!! We don't need sagergation...I think that was stated a long time ago.

Yes there are bad people everywhere but good people are in those same places too. I will always teach my child to respect every person regardless of his or her skin color or race!! Im sad that my child has to grow up in a world filled with hate.

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#248 Consumer Suggestion

To Hell In A Hand Basket - a nest of wimps in Washington

AUTHOR: Susan - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Friday, May 13, 2005

It is obvious to me that the good ol' USA is in some deep trouble.

We have a nest of wimps in Washington (including the White House) who dodge the issue of illegal immigration and we have the rich who profiteer off the illegals. We have educated numbskulls who see no need to protect our borders and we have uneducated rednecks who just want an excuse to hate someone.

As for me, I am just minding my own business here in the great southwest. I am posting "No Tresspassing" signs in both English and Spanish around my 40 acres and I have put an 8 foot wall around the perimeter of my house. Of course, I cannot totally isolate myself, because I do go out to shop and I have to pay taxes in order to support hundreds idiotic government giveaway programs, but I suppose that is just a price I'll have to pay for living here until things totally fall apart. I do hope no one... Black, White, Red, Brown, or Yellow, is dumb enough to attempt to cross the wall surrounding my house! They may ignore the "No Tresspassing" signs (which I am sure they will) but the wall is another matter.

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#247 Consumer Comment

Please - MY GRANDFATHER W0ULD ROLL OVER IN HIS GRAVE IF HE KNEW WHAT HAS HAPPENED TO THE COUNTRY HE DEFENDED IN WW2 HAS BECOME!!!

AUTHOR: Stacey - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Tuesday, May 10, 2005

My sister in law is a LEGAL RESIDENT - She has to wake up at 3 sm to go down to INS to renew her Green Card

I am sick and tired of all the boo h*o's about the poor ILLEGALS - the word is ILLEGAL !!!!!!

If you want to live in this country try doing it the LEGAL WAY!!!!!

I PAY FOR YOUR KIDS TO GO TO SCHOOL AND YET YOU CANNOT SPEAK ENGLISH!

MY HEALTH INSURANCE GOES UP EVERY YEAR BECAUSE I HAVE TO PAY FOR YOUR PARKLAND VISIT EVERY SINGLE TIME!

MY CAR INSURANCE GOES UP EVERY YEAR BECAUSE AN ILLEGAL HITS ME AND GUESS WHAT! NO INSURANCE!
I AM SO SICK AND TIRED OF GOING TO THE STORE, CALLING A COMPANY OR USING THE INTERNET AND ASKING ME IF I WANT ENGLISH OR SPANISH -
THE LANGUAGE OF THE COUNTRY IS ENGLISH!!!!!!!

IF YOU DO NOT LIKE IT ------- GET OUT!
MY GREAT GRANDPARENTS CAME OVER HERE FROM GERMANY,
LEARNED ENGLISH, BECAME PRODUCTIVE CITIZENS AND PAID TAXES - WHICH MOST ILLEGALS DO NOT!

I AM SICK AND TIRED OF SEEING THE MEXICAN FLAG ON CARS, BUSINESS AND HOMES - IF MEXICO IS SO GREAT I SUGGEST YOU GO BACK THERE!

YOU GET WELFARE FROM THE STATE OF TEXAS, YOU BUY NEW TRUCKS AND CARS AND NEVER, EVER PAY TAXES - YOU LET ME FRONT THE COST OF YOUR HOUSING, CHILD CARE, EDUCATION AND UNEMPLOYMENT -
MY GRANDFATHER W0ULD ROLL OVER IN HIS GRAVE IF HE KNEW WHAT HAS HAPPENED TO THE COUNTRY HE DEFENDED IN WW2 HAS BECOME!!!

TEXAS IS NO LONGER TEXAS

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#246 Consumer Comment

Communism? Tanks? Let me clarify.....

AUTHOR: Melisah - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Tuesday, May 10, 2005

First of all I didn't suggest we do away with our borders. What I meant was we're SO strict with Mexico as opposed to other countries. For instance it takes nearly 10 years for them to get in after filling out an application. The application and their documents cost more than people there make in those 10 years. No joke go to www.immigrate2us.net to see for yourself. Oh and the penalties are ridiculous. If they enter the US illegally they get a 10 year bar from even applying. If it's found they've left and returned it's a LIFETIME BAN.

Why do they risk it? What choice do they have?

Second, as for communism in America it's never going to happen. And I certainly never suggested either that, or for the United States to gather our troops and plow through Mexico claiming the rest of it.

I don't claim to have the ultimate solutiion to all of this, but what we're doing now certainly isn't working.

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#245 Consumer Comment

It's not RACISM, Melissa It's NATIONALISM. In case you haven't noticed, all countries have borders.

AUTHOR: Robert - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Monday, May 09, 2005

These are used to deliniate the boundaries of those same countries. Sates have them too. If you move from the People's Republic of Massachussetts to any other state, you will be required to do the PAPERWORK to become a resident of that state. I do realize of course, that as a card carrying member of the Communist Party, you don't see the difference here. After all, your great bastion of kindness and compassion(USSR) went under after 70 years of said wonderfullness. I won't mention how they ignored the borders of every country around them as they drove their tanks through to help them become more compassionate. As for the border states belonging to Mexico...how can that be. Since you believe there should be no borders, how can any country own any land? Since they cannot own land, how can there be any countries? Just curious.

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#244 Consumer Comment

Wake up America

AUTHOR: Melisah - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Monday, May 09, 2005

I am proud to be an American. Our sense of brotherhood is obvious in these terrible times even though our country is so divided on so many issues. But this land we so fiercely regard as our own was purchased with blood.

So many of us have such a sense of entitlement because we were BORN here. WE didn't EARN it!! Our ancestors TOOK it by force and we inherited it. A huge portion of these United States USED TO BE MEXICO!!!! Some native american tribes here have been here since their migration FROM MEXICO!

We're all in this together folks. This us vs.them mentality is RACISM. It's venomous. Last time I checked there's plenty of room for good people no matter their race.

Once upon a time not long ago the same issue raged only then it was Irish,Africans, Chinese, Japanese, Native Americans.....you name them we hated them.

Why do we do this? The issue shouldn't be about where they come from it should be they are PEOPLE.

People need opportunities, and aren't we the LAND OF OPPORTUNITY? If those borders had been shut to OUR ancestors most of us wouldn't exist and America certainly wouldn't be what it is today.

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#243 Consumer Comment

It really is that simple and easy. You can study all you want about how the system is supposed to work. Book smart isn't the same as street smart.

AUTHOR: Robert - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Saturday, May 07, 2005

My family came here from Canada. Before that, they came over from Scotland. The move from Canada to the US was as simple as can be. Just move and have the FREE paperwork in hand. Go to the US consulate and get the FREE paperwork for the move. The same with Mexico.

I have customers down here that came from Haiti. They told me they simply got the FREE paperwork from their government, and went to the US Consulate and got the FREE paperwork from them. The only cost was getting the flight over here. They had no job, and no money.

They came her to find work. They still have "green cards" and are going to take the citizenship test next year.

You can study all you want about how the system is supposed to work. Book smart isn't the same as street smart. I know guys who can ace the ASE Master Tech test. They can't fix a car to save their life though. They have no actual clue about how to repair the car once and for all. That isn't covered in any book. That requires figuring out what the engineers missed and correcting it. The fact is, you can come here with nothing..."give me your poor"...and make something of yourself. If being a drain on the taxpayers was really an issue, why do we have this argument about illegals to begin with. As I have posted before, the LEGALS are voting every time to STOP the ILLEGALS.

After the voting is done, some dingbat liberal Judge invalidates the measure claiming the voters didn't understand the issue. They DO understand it. They want the immigration laws APPLIED and ENFORCED. Why is it some can do it, and the rest won't? Because there are too many slackers voting. We need fewer people voting.

Go back to how it was originally done. Property owners ONLY. The only people who should be allowed to vote for anything are people who actually have a stake in the ownership of this country.

Anyone on any sort of public dole should have NO vote. Show a tax return showing you actually pay taxes, not get a "refund" after paying nothing in, and stand in line and vote. This simple rule would eliminate the 50% of the "taxpayers" living here that pay nothing in and vote to keep it that way.

If people don't want to work and pay into the system, fine. I have no problem with that. I have issues with giving them taxmoney, but the real issue is whether we should continue with the way the country is currently run.

This country got along just fine before the lazy got paid for it. It also got along just fine when the bad guys were actually punished for their crimes. It also did quite well when the immigration laws were adminstered and enforced. As someone noted, the Natives were screwed. I can't help that, I wasn't part of that problem. That was then, this is now.

The tribes all get checks from the US Govt to help compensate them, as does anyone who can show they are part of that tribe. I had customers in NC who got a check each year. Cali and Arizona and NM and TX all have major problems with illegals coming here pregnant and the hospitals being forced to birth the children, again, for FREE. Then the kid is a US citizen and we cannot make them leave. California and the rest of the border states are getting bankrupted by this problem that the US Govt demands they pay for.

It's so bad in Cali, that now they State Universities are being required to give illegals the "in-state" tuition rates while charging the legal immigrants the "out-of-state" rates. HUH? Rewarding the ILLEGALS once again.

Is it any wonder the LEGAL immigrants and actual citizens keep voting to stop this idiocy? I always ask these simple questions to someone when it comes to a debate on an issue. "Are you willing to PAY for it yourself"? If you want to help the bums(homeless), will you let them in your house and feed them etc.? If you want to save the swamps(wetlands), will you pay the owner of that property for the loss of use from your own paycheck? If you want to release the prisoners, will you allow them to move into your house and give them a job yourself? The questions go on, but I think you get the point. If you are NOT willing to PAY for the program you want, there should be no program at all. I love the military and cops.

I gladly give to the cops and the troops. I love the NRA so I give money to them. I don't like bums and do-gooders so I give them nothing. I also don't like illegal aliens so I give them nothing. I'm willing to pay for the deportation of them if it means they will go and not come back without the proper paperwork. Maybe we'll all get lucky and the military will stage a coup. At least they know how to enforce rules. I love a parade.

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#242 Consumer Comment

The other half of the story - immigration is not a simple process

AUTHOR: Timothy - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Friday, May 06, 2005

All the other politics aside, and I'll get to that later, Robert is only presenting half of the story.

There are two components to immigration: "E"migration and "IM"migration. Emigration is the process of leaving one country, immigration is the process of entering another. Robert's information is only true in so far as it pertains to emigration. The Mexican government doesn't care if its people leave. People who leave Mexico are prone to send money back when they enter a more prosperous economy. As such, the process of legally exiting mexico is quite easy.

Per immigration, however, the story is entirely different. Ther U.S. government requires that potential immigrants be able to show that they will not be a drain on our public resources. This can be accomplished either by showing that a potential immigrant has money (is wealthy) or that he has work lined up.

Unfortunately, American employers that routinely employ foreign workers are not willing to let the INS (now part of the Dept. of Homeland Security) know about it, because doing so exposes the fact that they have been employing illegal workers.

If immigration were as simple as Robert partrays it, then my sympathies would lie differently. But he has it wrong, or at least half wrong.

The situation is far more complex than I am willing to explain here. Suffice it to say that no, immigration is not a simple process. And, for the doubters, yes - I do know what I'm talking about. I have spent the past two years studying this issue, and an article that I have written on the topic will soon be published in a highly respected academic legal journal.

So no, it is not nearly as easy as Robert would like us to think.

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#241 Consumer Comment

No Tracy, it is not. And the fact of the matter is, it's FREE! The Mexican government will help them with all of the paperwork

AUTHOR: Robert - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Thursday, May 05, 2005

And the fact of the matter is, it's FREE! The Mexican government will help them with all of the paperwork and even give them the ID card they need to come here and work, for FREE! The reasons are various for NOT doing it legally, but the main one is very simple. They can come here and not be on the tax rolls if they don't fill out the paperwork to be legal. In some states, 11 of them, they can still get driver's licenses without any positive ID showing they are here legally. The whole point of that idiotic "Motor-Voter" bill that was passed during Bill Clinton's reign was so that ILLEGALS will be able to vote. If that is not the case, why are the Dems raising so much hell about the unfairness of requiring proof of citizenship to vote and proof of being here LEGALLY to drive. We need fewer people being allowed to vote, not more.

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#240 Consumer Suggestion

Why can't they just come here legally??

AUTHOR: Tracy - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Thursday, May 05, 2005

I personally don't have a problem with immigrants, because we all come from immigrants (with the exception of Native Americans). I have worked with illegal immigrants in the past; they were nice people, even paid taxes. I just don't understand why they can't come here legally? Is it a very difficult process to go through?

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#239 Consumer Suggestion

Lest we forget - your "founding fathers" murdered millions of innocent people to take this land

AUTHOR: Jesse - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Wednesday, May 04, 2005

To all of you who say, get out of the US, let me remind you that most of you come from people who forced those who were here first out! Let me remind you that your "founding fathers" murdered millions of innocent people to take this land. So you want to let people get treated like s**t? That is a great reflection of where you come from. F - off!

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#238 Consumer Suggestion

Michael--an idiot without a cause or a brain

AUTHOR: Leslie - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Sunday, May 01, 2005

Amazing how Michael figures "liberal"
is some kind of dirty word (which it
is to moronic rednecks) and then ignores
the fact that our current President is
making arrangements to assure the entire
inventory of current illegal alien
Mexicans can live in this country permanently.

Simple truth, bozo: there are LIBERALS
and FASCISTS (right wingers like you)
and so-called LEGITIMATE CONSERVATIVES
and POLITICAL MODERATES who make money
or political mileage out of illegal
immigrants via various means. It really
isn't a political issue, even among
knuckle-draggers, although it's nice
to pretend it is. It's much more important
than that.

I, myself, am an old-line, leftwing
liberal of what used to be called the
"social democratic" mode, which I don't
expect an illiterate to grasp. I am dead
set against ANY illegal immigration, PERIOD,
and not just of Mexicans and not just to
the United States, for a whole variety of
reasons. So are most of "us". I am even
MORE again the idea of giving our "esteemed
neighbors" to the south "SPECIAL STATUS"
and eventual citizenship, while we make
the lives of perfectly legal immigrants,
including those who have crossed all the t's
and dotted all the i's, far MORE difficult
under the b.s. blanket of the PATRIOT ACT
and Bush's moronic concept of "National
Security".

Try reading a book or a newspaper without
a swastika on the cover, sissy boy, and you
might realize that the "special status"
immigration legislation floating around
Congress now originates with CONSERVATIVES.
That doesn't make it any better or any worse,
truthfully; it stinks, and I would say that
if it had been introduced by my own brother.

When you paint with a broad brush, especially
a stupid one, you might want to get your
"disinformation" from someone a little
more reliable and less of a liar than
Rush Limbaugh.

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#237 Consumer Comment

NO Illegal Aliens.

AUTHOR: Michele - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Thursday, April 28, 2005

How dared you picture someones home that they've worked long and hard for themselves. How dare you punish them for achieving in this great country. There are filthy conditions where these illegals came from, so it is not new. If they don't like it they can please go back. This is a federal issue. You must have some kind of investment in it somewhere down the line close, because this has been a bad deal since the get go with this Alien stuff. They're aliens. Illegal Aliens. Remember Immigration? Hello! What they're doing is an International offense.

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#236 Consumer Suggestion

kick em out! Do I feel sorry for the illegals? Yes, I do but I do not want them here illegally.

AUTHOR: Michael - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Wednesday, April 27, 2005

They can apply for a visa and wait for the response just like the LEGAL immigrants do. The illegals are breaking our laws. I agree with the razor wire, national guard troops, land mines and guard towers. I would add snipers and machine guns to the mix. Hang a few of them in the wire and the rest will get the hint. And if the ACLU starts to b***h then they can hang in the wire too. Like almost all Americans we are tired of this country being silently invaded. The Bush Administration is afraid to seal off the borders because it would be political suicide. Well, he would be hailed a hero if he shut the borders down. To hell with the Nancy Pelosi's, Ted Kennedy's and Barbara Boxer's of the world. If their spineless, liberal asses love the illegals so much then they can stay at THEIR houses. I sure as hell don't want them at mine. If Mexico is so bad then maybe they should clean THEIR country up. Not send OURS to hell in a handbasket. So someone has to wash their own car or mow their own lawn, WAAAAH!!...life is just tough. I think the world will still revolve! And violating their civil rights??? Excuse me??? Don't you have to be a legal citizen of this country to have those rights??? If you're so concerned about housing, I don't see you down there with a hammer and nails. So please, save your bleeding heart punk a*s stories about the illegals. Tell them to enter the country legally, live by our laws, deny them any benefits whatsoever and live like the rest of us. If that's not good enough for them then it's DEPORTATION time. If they come back, it's the firing squad.

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#235 Consumer Suggestion

kick em out! Do I feel sorry for the illegals? Yes, I do but I do not want them here illegally.

AUTHOR: Michael - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Wednesday, April 27, 2005

They can apply for a visa and wait for the response just like the LEGAL immigrants do. The illegals are breaking our laws. I agree with the razor wire, national guard troops, land mines and guard towers. I would add snipers and machine guns to the mix. Hang a few of them in the wire and the rest will get the hint. And if the ACLU starts to b***h then they can hang in the wire too. Like almost all Americans we are tired of this country being silently invaded. The Bush Administration is afraid to seal off the borders because it would be political suicide. Well, he would be hailed a hero if he shut the borders down. To hell with the Nancy Pelosi's, Ted Kennedy's and Barbara Boxer's of the world. If their spineless, liberal asses love the illegals so much then they can stay at THEIR houses. I sure as hell don't want them at mine. If Mexico is so bad then maybe they should clean THEIR country up. Not send OURS to hell in a handbasket. So someone has to wash their own car or mow their own lawn, WAAAAH!!...life is just tough. I think the world will still revolve! And violating their civil rights??? Excuse me??? Don't you have to be a legal citizen of this country to have those rights??? If you're so concerned about housing, I don't see you down there with a hammer and nails. So please, save your bleeding heart punk a*s stories about the illegals. Tell them to enter the country legally, live by our laws, deny them any benefits whatsoever and live like the rest of us. If that's not good enough for them then it's DEPORTATION time. If they come back, it's the firing squad.

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#234 Consumer Comment

Tim S H U T U P

AUTHOR: Ruth - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Wednesday, April 27, 2005

Tim, I am TIRED of reading through here & suffering through your soulless repetitive letters. You seem to think you can say & do no wrong. Who do you think you are talking down to people in here like that?

I can SEE that you have no belief in God - you make that painfully obvious. All you can present are your OPINIONS - then you put the pretty "Fact" label on every opinion you state.

I think it is sad that after years, you are still aimlessly gabbing about this topic with LONG opinionated garbage as if you are some Saint!

ILLEGAL = AGAINST THE LAW = W R O N G

Maybe you have just learned something by reading that now I hope? (I tried spelling it out for you & putting on the CAPS for your benefit!)
Or are you actually JUSTIFYING the illegal entry of foreigners in My country?

The problem is in MEXICO & it is COMMON SENSE we should not be HAPPY they are bringing their problems here for us to deal with!
I almost vomited when I saw someone call the Illegals VICTIMS?? Well, then they are victims BY CHOICE.

And NO - if I lived in Country A & I thought my fellow countrymen were being abused, I Would NOT turn tail and RUN.... to Country B !!
I would GATHER as many fellow countrymen as POSSIBLE & FIGHT for my rights in MY LAND.

THAT, my unwise brother, is treason, ditching your country, leaving it in shambles, not caring, jumping on the next boat to a country where cowards like your Mexicans don't have to fight for rights! They are too LAZY & STUPID to stay & demand good treatment - even in 2005! My GOD!

That says a lot about what caliber people we are letting into this country!

Tim you will NEVER believe this (I know your type) but you are a FOOL.

Eugene, Stain, Debra, I loved EVERY word you said & I agree with all of it - no matter who cries "Racism!"
I don't wanna hear it...... go tell it to someone who cares.....

And guys & girls who are smart enough to see that illegal entry into this country is WRONG by the CRIMINAL ENTRANTS THEMSELVES ....
stop letting ppl like Tim's comment calling you racist piss you off so much! Don't you see this is what he wants - to distract you from your points.... we ourselves are the only ones to know if we are racist... don't even justify the accusation with a defense! He doesn't deserve that... what we are discussing is ILLEGAL ENTRY INTO THIS COUNTRY - not race......
Chinese, Lebanese, Syrian, Japanese, Canadian... NONE of these people would be talked about any better if they entered illegally - these are not RACE issues - these are COUNTRY BORDER ISSUES..

Did I REALLY have to explain that? sad.......

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#233 Consumer Comment

This is getting RIDICULOUS - how stupid do you think Mexicans are?

AUTHOR: Ruth - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Tuesday, April 26, 2005

You know what? Every single one of you has made valid & excellent points about illegal immigrants. Also, every one of you has said something equally IDIOTIC to go along with it! First off, stop acting like MEXICO is some helpless, brainless dog of a country who should be NURSED for their incompetent government!

LOOK - WAKE UP! It is the 21st Century - if Mexico is in such horrible economic shape, that is THEIR OWN FAULT & PROBLEM. USA is NOT the Red Cross or Homeless Shelter for 3rd world countries to invade anytime just b/c these Mexicans are too lazy to FORCE their own government to treat their people well. Mexicans, maybe you have not READ history books - there HAVE BEEN CASES where the 'impoverished & abused' countrymen have gotten up and said to their government

"NO MORE! We Mexicans see how successful other countries have survived & are living in peace & their government is NOT ABLE to treat them poorly!"

Why don't Mexicans LEARN from us? WE created peace in our country with our own sweat & it has lasted since 1776! We don't go whining & complaining to other countries about problems we are doing NOTHING about! Instead of these Mexicans ditching the problem in their own land without a darn care about working to fix it, they come here where the work has been done - by OUR ancestors. Obviously these Mexicans have no patriotic love for their land to let its people be treated so BADLY & just LEAVE & do nothing!!

And then I am supposed to have PITY for them?! Grow up idiots - and this race card being used is just another example of how these illegals suck unreasonable pity & concern out of gullible Americans like most of you! RACE? What the $*** does that have to do with the PROBLEM of illegal immigrants? white, purple, orange, blue, WHATEVER man - drop it. The point is NO illegal immigrant should be allowed here out of PITY !

I am not going to sit here & argue about which Americans are to blame for the problem - there would be no problem without THE ILLEGALS invading America - period. They KNOW it is wrong & that PISSES me off, so I don't want to hear their complaining & whining about driver's licenses and rights?

They sure didn't stand up & say these things to THEIR country of Mexico did they? NO - they put up with it like cattle - but suddenly they are here, and feel all these rights are owed to them??

And to you Stacy, I don't CARE you aren't getting child support from some illegal alien who should never have been here anyway, let alone you slithering the Mexican into your bed! Gross - you created that problem yourself - what did you expect?! Don't expect our sympathies for your low standards in choosing a father!

I really don't CARE who thinks I sound mean or racist! I really don't like any races or hate any races - I find that MOST people are morons no matter what - regardless of race..... so shut your mouths about the old played out race card.

One more thing, folks. LOL - that was funny that someone on here said Mexico considers OUR states of California, Texas, Arizona, & New Mexico as their territory?! HA! Right - um... we've had that territory since EARLY 19th century & it is AMERICAN land & will REMAIN American land.
I don't care how many Mexicans think they have the ability to reclaim 4 states - they can't even control the poor treatment of their own people in their own land! Idiots.
GO HOME & FIX YOUR OWN TERRITORY before you dream you can claim a da** thing here.

I have NO pity for Mexicans who come here dreaming of a better life while complaining their country treated them shabbily..... not one of them can say they ever tried changing ONE THING about Mexico's government...... Mexicans... did you ever start a petition in your land demanding fair treatment? NOPE!
Did you Insist on meeting with top officials in public & on camera in Mexico and DEMAND things change, b/c the whole world is watching & your ppl simply won't tolerate the abuse?
N O P E!

Did you complain to anyone & everyone who would listen PUBLICLY about the horrid environment in Mexico & demand SOMEONE come & overthrow the crooked Mexican government so your life in YOUR land can improve? NO NO NO!

What DID you illegals do? You came here to my country, the fabulous United States, where my ancestors have already DONE that work for us - it is LAW that our government does NOT abuse power.
We had the BRAINS to accomplish that - why don't you try it in YOUR country ??

Stop coming here complaining & expecting pity from Americans when you have NOT done all you can do to FIX your country.

This is getting ridiculous! I am embarassed that so many Americans DEFEND these ILLEGALS AFTER September 11,2001 you MORONS! This is NO SMALL DEAL PEOPLE! Do you not SEE how simple it would be for a terrorist to fly to Mexico & sneak right on through the US/Mexican Border????

Boy if you don't acknowledge that - you deserve to be shipped off to Mexico yourself.
WAKE UP PEOPLE! Use your brains.

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#232 Consumer Comment

Add to the problem, or think of ways to fix it . . . Which will it be? ..your attitude is vey racist.

AUTHOR: Timothy - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Wednesday, April 20, 2005

You may not hink you're a racist, Stacey, and you may not be trying to be a racist. I may even go so far as to say that you are not a racist. But your attitude is vey racist. This is because you have chosen to take the easy way out - blame the illegals for all of your problems, spout ignorant rhetoric, and avoid advancing any kind of meaningful solution.

If I lived in abject poverty in country A, and had an opportunity for a better life for me and my family in country B, you can be d**n sure that I would try to make my way ino country B, the law be damned. Wouldn't you do the same? Would the fact that you may be a drain on one of the most successful economies in the world even enter into the calculus?

Those were rhetorical questions because I already know what the response is, I've heard it hundreds of times before: they are breaking our laws! Our laws must be obeyed! That seems to be the no-heart conservative response, which is fine with me, because it lends itself to an analysis of the conservative hypocrisy at work here. Aren't the people who employ these illegals, who make immigration feasible, also breaking the law?

Where's the outrage there? You can easily frame the argument in the racist "they are taking our jobs" way, or you can frame it in the realistic "our jobs are being given away" manner. They wouldn't be taking our jobs if our jobs weren't on the open market. And they are not teh ones who put our jobs on the open market. Agribusiness, the construction industry, the hospitality industry, etc. are all complicit in the the wholesale auctioning off of our job market.

I am willing to forgive the illegals for being the lowest bidders. I am not wiling to forgive a business community that welcomes illegal immigrants with open arms and simaltaneously works to perpetuate the smokescreen of racism so that people like yourself will stay in the dark regarding the real problem - and the real solution.

Your Minutemen can sit and m********e along the border, wave the flag, and indulge themselves in smug self-satisfaction. But nothing will be solved. They may slow the stream, but the river will keep flowing.

OR, in the alternative, they could march down the the headquarters of Tropicana, or Taco Bell, or McDonalds, or a thousand other American corporations that profit from illegal labor, and demand that they, or their suppliers, pay their harvesters a decent wage.

OR, in the alternative, they could spend their time demanding that their elected officials stop pandering to large agricultural interests who repeatedly stand in the way of meaningful immigration reform.

But railing about how bad the problem is, and pointing the finger at those who disagree with you ideologically, will achieve nothing. Address the symbiotic relationship between illegal labor and big business and maybe we'll get somewhere.

So am I a bleeding heart liberal? I know you're thinking that I am, because that's an easy way for you to ignore what I have to say; an easy way for you to stick to the racist approach and avoid thinking about solutions; and an easy way for those with a vested interest in illegal immigration to ensure that you will never do a d**n thing to stand in their way.

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#231 Consumer Comment

Boo h*o - In the County of Dallas some of these taxes go to fund Parkland Hospital where ILLEGALS go for health care - therefore I am paying for these ILLEGAL individuals to obtain health care on MY DOLLAR

AUTHOR: Stacey - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Tuesday, April 19, 2005

Every year I pay taxes and If I do not I my home will be foreclosed on - I pay property taxes, school taxes and so forth and so on
In the County of Dallas some of these taxes go to fund Parkland Hospital where ILLEGALS go for health care - therefore I am paying for these ILLEGAL individuals to obtain health care on MY DOLLAR - I pay for my own health insurance and pay my own deductables - I am so sick an tired of supporting ILLEGAL individuals - I am sick and tired and paying their health care costs, their housing and their children's education. I am sick and tired of hearing about if citizens of the United States of America would take the s**t jobs then this would not be an issue - That is crap!

My Great Grandparents came into this Country!~
Learned English - Became citizens and paid there TAXES = The language in this country is ENGLISH -

I refuse to learn Spanish to live in a country that I was born and raised in - No I am not a racist but I have had it will the Bleeding Heart CRAP!

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#230 Consumer Comment

Do you really want to fix the immigration problem?

AUTHOR: Timothy - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Sunday, April 17, 2005

Though I usually disagree with him, Douglas' last rebuttal raises an important issue: the increasing "indirect exclusion" of skilled American laborers from the workforce. Many American employers have filled their unskilled laor crews with non-english speakers. Now they face this dilemma: English speaking skilled laborers can't communicate with the non-english speaking crews. The only option is to replace the english speaking tradesmen with spanish speakers. The intrusion into skilled trades is just another symptom of a much larger problem.

Let me just clear up a couple of assertions that were not quite correct in Douglas' report, however. First, the 20-30 projection that hispanics will become the majority in this country. No reliable study has suggested this. Some studies show that, in the coming years, hispanics will represent a PLURALITY (look it up, it's not the same thing as a majority) in CALIFORNIA. Second, illegal aliens do not have the right to vote, and very few of them are willing to pursue suffrage illegitimately - such actions could potentially expose their status.

I am an immigration reform advocate, not an open borders advocate. In fact, I think that international trade as a whole should be severely restricted. Here's my problem with the discourse sutrrounding immigration, and Douglas' rebuttals are perfect examples: the discussion is normally framed in terms of the culpability of hispanic immigrants, when it should be framed in terms of the culability of American employers.

To understand, consider the basic economics of immigration. Poor living conditions in one country exert a force that urges people to emigrate (leave a country). A high standard of living in another country exert a force that urges immigration. This force, going in either direction, will resukt in actual immigration only when the residents of the poorer country think that they can actually attain the high standard of living in the wealthier country. Poor living conditions start the car, an attainable "better life" puts it in drive.

So, if we aren't willing to somehow better the standard of living in Mexico (getting the exploitative maquilladoras out of Northern Mexico would be a good start), then the economic answer would be to attack the belief that immigration will lead to a better lifestyle. What is the alternative? We allow the discussion to inevitably drift toward racism, and we fight a drug-war-esque battle to control an uncontrollable border. Believe me, these tactics will NEVER work.

How do we stem the belief that immigrating to America is a good idea? Easy. We make it a bad idea. Close loopholes in the law that further illegal immigration by making the employment of illegals relatively risk-free. This is not so much a matter of effective enforcement as a matter of effective legislation. Close the joint employment loophole, instate procedural safeguards that allow illegal immigrants to actually enforce their rights under the AWPA and FLSA, de-exempt agricultural workers from NLRA protections, etc. All simple legislative steps that would severely stem the demand for illegal immigrants, while exhausting only the resources of rogue employers.

So why don't these things happen? It's simple politics. Agribusiness has a HUGE incentive to prevent any such legislation. Their labor costs will skyrocket. The agricultural business community is absolutely delighted that the immigration issue has been framed in terms of protective nationalism, and the finger thus pointed at the immigrants. It keeps the spotlight off of their plight for continued exploitation.

If you frame this issue in terms of nationalism, in terms of racism, in terms of immigrant culpability, then you are playing right into the hands of the people whjo DO NOT want to see this problem fixed. So you have two choices: you can continue to rant about how bad the problem is, and how the Mexican people are to blame, or you can endeavor to solve the problem and speak out against the exploitative employers who are the real culprits.

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#229 Consumer Comment

Do you really want to fix the immigration problem?

AUTHOR: Timothy - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Sunday, April 17, 2005

Though I usually disagree with him, Douglas' last rebuttal raises an important issue: the increasing "indirect exclusion" of skilled American laborers from the workforce. Many American employers have filled their unskilled laor crews with non-english speakers. Now they face this dilemma: English speaking skilled laborers can't communicate with the non-english speaking crews. The only option is to replace the english speaking tradesmen with spanish speakers. The intrusion into skilled trades is just another symptom of a much larger problem.

Let me just clear up a couple of assertions that were not quite correct in Douglas' report, however. First, the 20-30 projection that hispanics will become the majority in this country. No reliable study has suggested this. Some studies show that, in the coming years, hispanics will represent a PLURALITY (look it up, it's not the same thing as a majority) in CALIFORNIA. Second, illegal aliens do not have the right to vote, and very few of them are willing to pursue suffrage illegitimately - such actions could potentially expose their status.

I am an immigration reform advocate, not an open borders advocate. In fact, I think that international trade as a whole should be severely restricted. Here's my problem with the discourse sutrrounding immigration, and Douglas' rebuttals are perfect examples: the discussion is normally framed in terms of the culpability of hispanic immigrants, when it should be framed in terms of the culability of American employers.

To understand, consider the basic economics of immigration. Poor living conditions in one country exert a force that urges people to emigrate (leave a country). A high standard of living in another country exert a force that urges immigration. This force, going in either direction, will resukt in actual immigration only when the residents of the poorer country think that they can actually attain the high standard of living in the wealthier country. Poor living conditions start the car, an attainable "better life" puts it in drive.

So, if we aren't willing to somehow better the standard of living in Mexico (getting the exploitative maquilladoras out of Northern Mexico would be a good start), then the economic answer would be to attack the belief that immigration will lead to a better lifestyle. What is the alternative? We allow the discussion to inevitably drift toward racism, and we fight a drug-war-esque battle to control an uncontrollable border. Believe me, these tactics will NEVER work.

How do we stem the belief that immigrating to America is a good idea? Easy. We make it a bad idea. Close loopholes in the law that further illegal immigration by making the employment of illegals relatively risk-free. This is not so much a matter of effective enforcement as a matter of effective legislation. Close the joint employment loophole, instate procedural safeguards that allow illegal immigrants to actually enforce their rights under the AWPA and FLSA, de-exempt agricultural workers from NLRA protections, etc. All simple legislative steps that would severely stem the demand for illegal immigrants, while exhausting only the resources of rogue employers.

So why don't these things happen? It's simple politics. Agribusiness has a HUGE incentive to prevent any such legislation. Their labor costs will skyrocket. The agricultural business community is absolutely delighted that the immigration issue has been framed in terms of protective nationalism, and the finger thus pointed at the immigrants. It keeps the spotlight off of their plight for continued exploitation.

If you frame this issue in terms of nationalism, in terms of racism, in terms of immigrant culpability, then you are playing right into the hands of the people whjo DO NOT want to see this problem fixed. So you have two choices: you can continue to rant about how bad the problem is, and how the Mexican people are to blame, or you can endeavor to solve the problem and speak out against the exploitative employers who are the real culprits.

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#228 Consumer Comment

Do you really want to fix the immigration problem?

AUTHOR: Timothy - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Sunday, April 17, 2005

Though I usually disagree with him, Douglas' last rebuttal raises an important issue: the increasing "indirect exclusion" of skilled American laborers from the workforce. Many American employers have filled their unskilled laor crews with non-english speakers. Now they face this dilemma: English speaking skilled laborers can't communicate with the non-english speaking crews. The only option is to replace the english speaking tradesmen with spanish speakers. The intrusion into skilled trades is just another symptom of a much larger problem.

Let me just clear up a couple of assertions that were not quite correct in Douglas' report, however. First, the 20-30 projection that hispanics will become the majority in this country. No reliable study has suggested this. Some studies show that, in the coming years, hispanics will represent a PLURALITY (look it up, it's not the same thing as a majority) in CALIFORNIA. Second, illegal aliens do not have the right to vote, and very few of them are willing to pursue suffrage illegitimately - such actions could potentially expose their status.

I am an immigration reform advocate, not an open borders advocate. In fact, I think that international trade as a whole should be severely restricted. Here's my problem with the discourse sutrrounding immigration, and Douglas' rebuttals are perfect examples: the discussion is normally framed in terms of the culpability of hispanic immigrants, when it should be framed in terms of the culability of American employers.

To understand, consider the basic economics of immigration. Poor living conditions in one country exert a force that urges people to emigrate (leave a country). A high standard of living in another country exert a force that urges immigration. This force, going in either direction, will resukt in actual immigration only when the residents of the poorer country think that they can actually attain the high standard of living in the wealthier country. Poor living conditions start the car, an attainable "better life" puts it in drive.

So, if we aren't willing to somehow better the standard of living in Mexico (getting the exploitative maquilladoras out of Northern Mexico would be a good start), then the economic answer would be to attack the belief that immigration will lead to a better lifestyle. What is the alternative? We allow the discussion to inevitably drift toward racism, and we fight a drug-war-esque battle to control an uncontrollable border. Believe me, these tactics will NEVER work.

How do we stem the belief that immigrating to America is a good idea? Easy. We make it a bad idea. Close loopholes in the law that further illegal immigration by making the employment of illegals relatively risk-free. This is not so much a matter of effective enforcement as a matter of effective legislation. Close the joint employment loophole, instate procedural safeguards that allow illegal immigrants to actually enforce their rights under the AWPA and FLSA, de-exempt agricultural workers from NLRA protections, etc. All simple legislative steps that would severely stem the demand for illegal immigrants, while exhausting only the resources of rogue employers.

So why don't these things happen? It's simple politics. Agribusiness has a HUGE incentive to prevent any such legislation. Their labor costs will skyrocket. The agricultural business community is absolutely delighted that the immigration issue has been framed in terms of protective nationalism, and the finger thus pointed at the immigrants. It keeps the spotlight off of their plight for continued exploitation.

If you frame this issue in terms of nationalism, in terms of racism, in terms of immigrant culpability, then you are playing right into the hands of the people whjo DO NOT want to see this problem fixed. So you have two choices: you can continue to rant about how bad the problem is, and how the Mexican people are to blame, or you can endeavor to solve the problem and speak out against the exploitative employers who are the real culprits.

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#227 Consumer Comment

Illegals displace Americans in skilled trades too!

AUTHOR: Doug - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Saturday, April 16, 2005

I work in construction. Illegal Mexican aliens are also joining American Unions and receiving top dollar pay. It isn't just the unskilled jobs being lost by Americans, it's jobs that American workers no longer have available. A good example: I asked a Mexican Carpentry forman why he didn't hire American workers? His answer: "Oh, because my men only speak Spanish." So what does it come down to now? Does an American Carpenter have to learn to speak Mexican Spanish to work in the United States? Also, I noticed that his uncle, his brother, and a few friends who have very few carpentry skills are hired off the street as "Journeymen" carpenters, but is fact function as carpenter "helpers, but at the top journeyman pay! How does one do that?...easy. Hire the family member or friend first, andt then write a letter to the union requesting admission to the union "because this guy is a journeyman carpenter." The Mexicans all cover for each other, to the exclusion of any American. Also, I'm very often asked, "Rod######, how come you don't speak Spanish?" My answer: "Because I'm an American. Why should I have to speak (Mexican) Spanish in my own English speaking country?"

In another 20 or 30 years, the inaction of the American government will bite you all in the a*s! The offspring of the Illegal Alien Mexicans will have the majority vote in this country. It will give the term "Racism" a new meaning as the Mexicans demean all other races living here. I say these words as a "Hispanic", but an American first! The new immigrants have a different thought process. Everything in the United States is here to be "used" by them because it is their "right." What "right" do you ask? What I continually hear from the Mexicans is that "The United States stole our land." "We're taking it back." I'm not kidding? My question: "And exactly how are you going to do that?? Answer: "Babies...then we take it back." So...If so many of you bleeding heart Americans think it's okay to allow illegal immigration, you're just shooting youself in the foot. Eventually you won't have an English speaking country left! With my last name and brown skin, I won't have any problem. All other races will indeed have problems that they haven't thought of yet.

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#226 Consumer Comment

What exactly is "sociallogy?" This is a supply and demand issue. There is a demand in the U.S. for cheap, unskilled labor that is not being filled by American workers.

AUTHOR: Timothy - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Monday, March 07, 2005

You want to keep illegal immigrants out of our country? A big wall ain't gonna do it.

This is a supply and demand issue. There is a demand in the U.S. for cheap, unskilled labor that is not being filled by American workers. There is a ready supply of exploitable workers just waiting to lurch across the border. We can't do anything about the supply - Mexico's economy is pretty much a lost cause; Mexico will always be economically subservient to the U.S.

Effective legislation coupled with proactive enforcement could, however, undermine the demand for illegal workers. Under the current paradigm, it is economically efficient for a farm owner, construction contractor, etc. to employ illegal workers. Illegal workers must accept their treatment lest they face deportation, so they rarely (almost never) take steps to enforce the rights that they already possess (such as the right to a minimum wage which, contrary to popular opinion, applies to illegal workers).

The current jurisprudence surrounding migrant workers promotes the employment of illegal workers by allowing farm owners to reap the benefits of undocumented labor without subjecting themselves to the inherent liabilities, which are borne by farm labor contractors, who themselves lack the resources to satisfy legal judgments.

If we really want to find a cogent solution to this problem we need to get past all the rhetorical B.S. and racist anecdotes. We need to undermine the demand for illegal workers. Anybody who chooses to ignore the economic aspects of migrant labor, and opts instead to spout ignorant jibberish, is adding nothing of value to the relevant discourse. You can sit there and cite a hundred reasons for WHY there is a problem. We all acknowledge that there is a problem. If you want to do anything other than look like an ignorant jackass you're either going to have to propose a REAL solution, or present a reasoned position on why there is not actually a problem.

As you may notice, this report is several years old. In the time since ED posted the article that spawned this discussion, dozens of xenophobes have utilized this report to engage in ignorant, racist diatribes. Enough is enough. Nobody who comes here to whine about how they hate living around a bunch of Mexicans will say anything that hasn't been said dozens of times before. We've heard your tales already. Either propose a viable solution or keep your grudges to yourself.

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#225 Consumer Comment

The fact is illegals are making our country worse and worse.

AUTHOR: Vlad - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Monday, March 07, 2005

Also i laugh at you people that try to use the bible to defend them or "california once belong to mexico"
A question to ask yourselves...Whos fault is it mexico is a total s*** hole?

Living in Southern California i can tell you ive seen alot. To be honest yes, we can all feel bad for poor and starving people but whos fault is it that they got themselves into that situation? I see pregnant hispanic girls that cant speak english pulling around 5 or 6 kids. Now these kids are not disciplined at all and there mothers usualyl dont give a d**n what there doing. Just so you all know has 100s of hispanic street gangs mainly composed of young kids. Also if any of you have friends or have been in jail or prison you will know that the majority of inmates are hispanic. A majority of illegal that come here cause more then bad, that is just my opimion and from what ive seem. I have yet to seen an illegal "work his butt off" to feed his family. Fact is they work the dead beat jobs they do because they #1 there un-educated
#2 they cant speak english.

Now what if a illegal came here that completed 4yrs college and had a degree in sociallogy? Im pretty sure he wouldnt be picking fruit and living on welfare and on top of that im pretty sure we wouldnt mind him coming here either. The Fact is most hispanics come here to free-load off the American Government...they can live for free and get money for free. I say build the biggest wall we can and beef up the border, im tired of paying for lazy peoples housing, medical insurance and food...and as far for all you people that feel so welcome and humble, what are your opimions on taxes up the yin yang? im pretty sure your not liking it either

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#224 Consumer Suggestion

america is not responsible

AUTHOR: Rodney - (Canada)

POSTED: Saturday, March 05, 2005

America is not effect of this cause, the people of mexico are being absued by thier own country, America should take over mexico, should be up to the mexican people to vote wheather thay want america to have another state. to say america stole mexico land might be true but the fact remains that mexico is a s**t hole to american standards, if mexico owned the said land NOW it still be a s**t hole, its not the peoples fault, its thier govenment. Thier government
has no nurtrtion for the children, that makes a country for the furture, the brits found that out during ww2, studies have proven that when children recieve proper nurtrtion that they end up intelligent people, case studies actually in south america children that recieve proper nurtrtion in a group study of a village those children will enter colloge or university and leave the village for the city, so if all the children recieve the proper nurtrtion will grow replacing the exisiting government system. Another example is in Most southamerican cities thier exceeding thier standards abnd creating more jobs so the rual areas can make a decent living and stop the over crowing in the streets, now US agencys and the un are working at these problems to correct the living of standards. So maybe with this head stong for the children approach the cities of slum will turn into the megea cities we only dream about. Always uplift people brother, always give hope

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#223 Consumer Suggestion

Jackie you are stupid ..You assume we are all poor and driving a junky car well evidently you haven't driven to Georgia lately.

AUTHOR: Cynthia - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Saturday, March 05, 2005

Most Mexicans my dear drive better cars than your two year old junker.

None of us have a need to oogle your three hundred pound a*s at all. I am a Latina female that has been here longer than any of your Mayflower ancestors. In fact my roots were all based in Texas for that stupid little comment that you made about kicking us all out of what you think should be a lily white society that didn't belong to you in the first d**n place.

What type of job do we have? It sure isn't cleaning your d**n dirty laundry. My husband and I are business owners and have more than 100k revenue a year. Do we drive new cars? You betcha we do and you would not be envied by us for certain. In fact by the time that I was 25 we owned our house free and clear(yeah we didn't owe the bank like you do)and on from that we bought three other homes and I sell homes on the side for a living as well as running my husbands incorporated business.

So go on with your ignorant mind frame and keep thinking that way it will be my son (who wants to go into the Marines and later become a doctor) that operates on your a*s when you have a freaking heart attack and it will be him that goes to war for your stupid little ideas so that you can have the right to condemn him and act as if he weren't worth your time. I wonder though if you would say the same thing to my Nicaraguan neighbor who lost their son while fighting as a US Marine in Iraq?

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#222 Consumer Suggestion

Jackie you are stupid ..You assume we are all poor and driving a junky car well evidently you haven't driven to Georgia lately.

AUTHOR: Cynthia - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Saturday, March 05, 2005

Most Mexicans my dear drive better cars than your two year old junker.

None of us have a need to oogle your three hundred pound a*s at all. I am a Latina female that has been here longer than any of your Mayflower ancestors. In fact my roots were all based in Texas for that stupid little comment that you made about kicking us all out of what you think should be a lily white society that didn't belong to you in the first d**n place.

What type of job do we have? It sure isn't cleaning your d**n dirty laundry. My husband and I are business owners and have more than 100k revenue a year. Do we drive new cars? You betcha we do and you would not be envied by us for certain. In fact by the time that I was 25 we owned our house free and clear(yeah we didn't owe the bank like you do)and on from that we bought three other homes and I sell homes on the side for a living as well as running my husbands incorporated business.

So go on with your ignorant mind frame and keep thinking that way it will be my son (who wants to go into the Marines and later become a doctor) that operates on your a*s when you have a freaking heart attack and it will be him that goes to war for your stupid little ideas so that you can have the right to condemn him and act as if he weren't worth your time. I wonder though if you would say the same thing to my Nicaraguan neighbor who lost their son while fighting as a US Marine in Iraq?

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#221 Consumer Suggestion

Jackie you are stupid ..You assume we are all poor and driving a junky car well evidently you haven't driven to Georgia lately.

AUTHOR: Cynthia - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Saturday, March 05, 2005

Most Mexicans my dear drive better cars than your two year old junker.

None of us have a need to oogle your three hundred pound a*s at all. I am a Latina female that has been here longer than any of your Mayflower ancestors. In fact my roots were all based in Texas for that stupid little comment that you made about kicking us all out of what you think should be a lily white society that didn't belong to you in the first d**n place.

What type of job do we have? It sure isn't cleaning your d**n dirty laundry. My husband and I are business owners and have more than 100k revenue a year. Do we drive new cars? You betcha we do and you would not be envied by us for certain. In fact by the time that I was 25 we owned our house free and clear(yeah we didn't owe the bank like you do)and on from that we bought three other homes and I sell homes on the side for a living as well as running my husbands incorporated business.

So go on with your ignorant mind frame and keep thinking that way it will be my son (who wants to go into the Marines and later become a doctor) that operates on your a*s when you have a freaking heart attack and it will be him that goes to war for your stupid little ideas so that you can have the right to condemn him and act as if he weren't worth your time. I wonder though if you would say the same thing to my Nicaraguan neighbor who lost their son while fighting as a US Marine in Iraq?

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#220 Consumer Suggestion

Jackie you are stupid ..You assume we are all poor and driving a junky car well evidently you haven't driven to Georgia lately.

AUTHOR: Cynthia - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Saturday, March 05, 2005

Most Mexicans my dear drive better cars than your two year old junker.

None of us have a need to oogle your three hundred pound a*s at all. I am a Latina female that has been here longer than any of your Mayflower ancestors. In fact my roots were all based in Texas for that stupid little comment that you made about kicking us all out of what you think should be a lily white society that didn't belong to you in the first d**n place.

What type of job do we have? It sure isn't cleaning your d**n dirty laundry. My husband and I are business owners and have more than 100k revenue a year. Do we drive new cars? You betcha we do and you would not be envied by us for certain. In fact by the time that I was 25 we owned our house free and clear(yeah we didn't owe the bank like you do)and on from that we bought three other homes and I sell homes on the side for a living as well as running my husbands incorporated business.

So go on with your ignorant mind frame and keep thinking that way it will be my son (who wants to go into the Marines and later become a doctor) that operates on your a*s when you have a freaking heart attack and it will be him that goes to war for your stupid little ideas so that you can have the right to condemn him and act as if he weren't worth your time. I wonder though if you would say the same thing to my Nicaraguan neighbor who lost their son while fighting as a US Marine in Iraq?

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#219 Consumer Suggestion

Jeff your ignorance is showing - FREEDOM AND LIBERTY FOR ALL(not just white citizens

AUTHOR: Cynthia - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Saturday, March 05, 2005

Jeff not only citizens are here legally. You can be here on a visa and still be here legally and yet you aren't a citizen, you can also have an Alien Registration Receipt Card (better known as a green card) and not be a citizen yet still be here legally. You can in fact have simply an application with the INS and still be concidered legally in the country, you can also be an asylee and be legally in the country yet none of those catagories are citizens. They all have rights and they are all protected by our laws in fact non residents are entitled to human rights and civil rights protections as well simply because they are inside our borders and are protected by our laws.

I believe that the words were
FREEDOM AND LIBERTY FOR ALL(not just white citizens

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#218 Consumer Suggestion

Joel Agreed. What they do not know that most immigrants are buying houses at a faster rate and becoming homeowners at a faster rate than American citizens.

AUTHOR: Cynthia - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Saturday, March 05, 2005

It is crazy comments like those I have read here that make me laugh. They assume that all immigrants are uneducated fools and that we are all on welfare.

What they do not know that most immigrants are buying houses at a faster rate and becoming homeowners at a faster rate than American citizens. What they also don't know is that the longer we are here the better our wages get, progressive not regressive.

They also don't understand that more and more immigrants are opening businesses than ever before and that includes some illegal immigrants as well as legal immigrants.

Illegal immigrants number approximately 11 million in this country which is less than 1% of the population and of those only 6 million are Mexicans. However, 40 million Latinos are in the US today so that means that 34 million of us are either legal immigrants or native born citizens.
I am both American Indian and Latina, my roots are Mexican. Yes, Mexicans are American Indian for those of you who aren't educated enough to know that. Mexicans either are European of some sort mixed with either Aztec, Comanche, Navaho, Apache,Cherokee(yes Cherokee which I am along with European blood) and other types of nomadic Indian tribes that wandered the North American continent. Also, yes Mexicans are North Americans just like US citizens are so this is THEIR land just as much as it is anyone else's, if we are going to speak of this nation as being a possession instead of a benefit.
What is assumed by many and what is actual fact are two entirely differant things. Immigrants don't come here to get welfare they come here to work and if the work wasn't here the truth is they would not come to the US.
I hear US citizens complain and moan about poor pay, not enough vacation or long enough lunches and that they don't get enough benefits while I hear Mexicans complain about not getting enough hours to work in the week and not wanting just a forty hour work week, is it any wonder that the US worker is being replaced by immigrants?

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Joel Agreed. What they do not know that most immigrants are buying houses at a faster rate and becoming homeowners at a faster rate than American citizens.

AUTHOR: Cynthia - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Saturday, March 05, 2005

It is crazy comments like those I have read here that make me laugh. They assume that all immigrants are uneducated fools and that we are all on welfare.

What they do not know that most immigrants are buying houses at a faster rate and becoming homeowners at a faster rate than American citizens. What they also don't know is that the longer we are here the better our wages get, progressive not regressive.

They also don't understand that more and more immigrants are opening businesses than ever before and that includes some illegal immigrants as well as legal immigrants.

Illegal immigrants number approximately 11 million in this country which is less than 1% of the population and of those only 6 million are Mexicans. However, 40 million Latinos are in the US today so that means that 34 million of us are either legal immigrants or native born citizens.
I am both American Indian and Latina, my roots are Mexican. Yes, Mexicans are American Indian for those of you who aren't educated enough to know that. Mexicans either are European of some sort mixed with either Aztec, Comanche, Navaho, Apache,Cherokee(yes Cherokee which I am along with European blood) and other types of nomadic Indian tribes that wandered the North American continent. Also, yes Mexicans are North Americans just like US citizens are so this is THEIR land just as much as it is anyone else's, if we are going to speak of this nation as being a possession instead of a benefit.
What is assumed by many and what is actual fact are two entirely differant things. Immigrants don't come here to get welfare they come here to work and if the work wasn't here the truth is they would not come to the US.
I hear US citizens complain and moan about poor pay, not enough vacation or long enough lunches and that they don't get enough benefits while I hear Mexicans complain about not getting enough hours to work in the week and not wanting just a forty hour work week, is it any wonder that the US worker is being replaced by immigrants?

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Joel Agreed. What they do not know that most immigrants are buying houses at a faster rate and becoming homeowners at a faster rate than American citizens.

AUTHOR: Cynthia - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Saturday, March 05, 2005

It is crazy comments like those I have read here that make me laugh. They assume that all immigrants are uneducated fools and that we are all on welfare.

What they do not know that most immigrants are buying houses at a faster rate and becoming homeowners at a faster rate than American citizens. What they also don't know is that the longer we are here the better our wages get, progressive not regressive.

They also don't understand that more and more immigrants are opening businesses than ever before and that includes some illegal immigrants as well as legal immigrants.

Illegal immigrants number approximately 11 million in this country which is less than 1% of the population and of those only 6 million are Mexicans. However, 40 million Latinos are in the US today so that means that 34 million of us are either legal immigrants or native born citizens.
I am both American Indian and Latina, my roots are Mexican. Yes, Mexicans are American Indian for those of you who aren't educated enough to know that. Mexicans either are European of some sort mixed with either Aztec, Comanche, Navaho, Apache,Cherokee(yes Cherokee which I am along with European blood) and other types of nomadic Indian tribes that wandered the North American continent. Also, yes Mexicans are North Americans just like US citizens are so this is THEIR land just as much as it is anyone else's, if we are going to speak of this nation as being a possession instead of a benefit.
What is assumed by many and what is actual fact are two entirely differant things. Immigrants don't come here to get welfare they come here to work and if the work wasn't here the truth is they would not come to the US.
I hear US citizens complain and moan about poor pay, not enough vacation or long enough lunches and that they don't get enough benefits while I hear Mexicans complain about not getting enough hours to work in the week and not wanting just a forty hour work week, is it any wonder that the US worker is being replaced by immigrants?

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Joel Agreed. What they do not know that most immigrants are buying houses at a faster rate and becoming homeowners at a faster rate than American citizens.

AUTHOR: Cynthia - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Saturday, March 05, 2005

It is crazy comments like those I have read here that make me laugh. They assume that all immigrants are uneducated fools and that we are all on welfare.

What they do not know that most immigrants are buying houses at a faster rate and becoming homeowners at a faster rate than American citizens. What they also don't know is that the longer we are here the better our wages get, progressive not regressive.

They also don't understand that more and more immigrants are opening businesses than ever before and that includes some illegal immigrants as well as legal immigrants.

Illegal immigrants number approximately 11 million in this country which is less than 1% of the population and of those only 6 million are Mexicans. However, 40 million Latinos are in the US today so that means that 34 million of us are either legal immigrants or native born citizens.
I am both American Indian and Latina, my roots are Mexican. Yes, Mexicans are American Indian for those of you who aren't educated enough to know that. Mexicans either are European of some sort mixed with either Aztec, Comanche, Navaho, Apache,Cherokee(yes Cherokee which I am along with European blood) and other types of nomadic Indian tribes that wandered the North American continent. Also, yes Mexicans are North Americans just like US citizens are so this is THEIR land just as much as it is anyone else's, if we are going to speak of this nation as being a possession instead of a benefit.
What is assumed by many and what is actual fact are two entirely differant things. Immigrants don't come here to get welfare they come here to work and if the work wasn't here the truth is they would not come to the US.
I hear US citizens complain and moan about poor pay, not enough vacation or long enough lunches and that they don't get enough benefits while I hear Mexicans complain about not getting enough hours to work in the week and not wanting just a forty hour work week, is it any wonder that the US worker is being replaced by immigrants?

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#214 Consumer Comment

Cinthya we don't call ourselves NATIVE AMERICAN

AUTHOR: Cynthia - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Saturday, March 05, 2005

Debra,
For your information I don't believe that you have any Indian blood because I am part Indian and we don't call ourselves NATIVE AMERICAN we call ourselves American Indians because all people on this continent are native Americans

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#213 Consumer Comment

What has this country come too.

AUTHOR: Edward - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Friday, March 04, 2005

I just want to say that i can not beleive what i have seen on this topic. I can not believe that this country was built by immigrants can take a stand against people yes people not americans nor mwxicans Human beings trying to make a living in this god for saken world.

And to one guy who needs to go live in mexico for a while to change his racial aproach to this topic. It is lazy bastards like yourself that has brought the immigrants into this country, Spoilt lazt bastards that what the rest of the world think of americans.

The mexican people have more respect and more dignity then your Great Country will ever get. Oh iam sorry you will probably wont to come and kick my a*s.

Thats about the only thing that america can try to do to the rest of the world. Dont worry soon there will be no jobs in this country because all the Corperations and companies in this country are sending all the work to china. SO soon whatch out america your dollar will be worth s**t to the rest of the world in the not to distant future.

And as for mindless little racial Idiots that are to narrow minded to see why the immigrants are here. ( because you are all lazy bastards and dont want to do this work that the immigrants are doing)You Will be left with nothing but you narrow minds.Get a life

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#212 Consumer Comment

Afraid of Challenge? Ignorance is a disability, makes people blind and mentally ill.

AUTHOR: Joel - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Wednesday, March 02, 2005

I have read only the first 10 or 12 comments on this issue. After that, I realized that the main purpose of this reports was lost. To all those haters out there misled by their ignorance. Read this: Ignorance is a disability, makes people blind and mentally ill.

I am proudly Mexican. Anyone who thinks is better than me in anyway feel free to contact me.

Some jerk said that Mexican Government teaches Mexicans that: Is okay to come to the US and take over what used to be ours. How stupid and ignorant that comment was. How many years did you spend in Mexican Education or is that something you heard from one of the uneducated immigrants you hang out with? I studied in Mexico all they way through high school and graduated. I studied in the US. I am 26 y/o and I am a paralegal working at a law firm, homeowner, have 4 vehicles, pay taxes, and some day will join the law enforcement. What do you do?

To those who hate the uneducated immigrants who come here to work, washing dishes, cars, landscaping, cleaning motel rooms or in farms or any thing else similar to the above just talk to them they will be more than happy to hand the job over to you. If you think they are here lowering your wages then get your lazy behind back to school and heal your cracked brain with some knowledge so you can get a better living or what are you afraid of challenge?

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#211 REBUTTAL Individual responds

peotic

AUTHOR: Lou - (Canada)

POSTED: Friday, February 25, 2005

I (like many others) have been following the discussions here.
The only entry worthy of a response from me is from "Jez"
The discussions for this topic could end quite perfectly if your entry is the last. It stands to reason that you are the only one here with an education higher than the third grade. I wish you the best for all your endeavors.

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#210 Consumer Comment

I can't believe what I've read.....

AUTHOR: Jez - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Saturday, February 19, 2005

First of all Yes, I am an Mexican immigrant. My parents left the CONFORT of their home in Mexico to come here to give my brothers an opportunity at a better life. You see, my brothers were born deaf, and an education for them in Mexico was practically non-exisistent. (at the time) My parents struggled to give us a better future. We have NEVER receive ANY handouts from the government of the United States. Everything we have and have been able to obtain is first of all by the grace of God, and second of all due to our honest and hard work.

There is this crazy notion that life in Mexico is bad for everyone. My father was making great money in Mexico, we had a HUGE home, both my parents had their own cars. We weren't not living in a shack or anything near that. There's people in the US that are worse off than we were in Mexico. But, we did come here because of the need for Education for my brothers.

I am 20 years old, I live on my own, I pay my own rent, my car, my car insurance, (I do have a license) and I am currently PAYING my own studies to obtain an associates degree in Para Legal Studies.. What do you have to say now? You are not carrying me, I am not a burden on this society. And guess what!... I do not work in a field, nor at a grocery store nor do I do ANY one's house cleaning.. There is nothing wrong with those occupations, but there is something wrong with people STEREOTYPING immigrants, illegals, Mexicans (whatever group you want to place us in).. I have never in my life worked for less than $11.00/hr. Not even when I was in High School. It all boils down to the SPIRIT of perserverence my parent's instilled in me. I am worth a lot, I can contribute a lot to this society and be a constructive member of my community. I am not an illegal because I chose to be, the United States does not give us any options to legalize our status here. What more would we want than to be a citizen of the USA?

It just simply isn't an option for us right now. I am working and I will continue to do so. I have had to PAY to have what I have. No one has handed it to me, so stop bitching and moaning about the "immigrants" taking your jobs. If people weren't so fricking lazy, you would be able to have everything you could ever want, just like I have what I want. I pay for my healthcare, I pay for my car, I pay for my life here. No one is doing me any favors. So those of you who think you are, THINK AGAIN!

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TO ANYONE WHO DOESNT LIVE IN A BORDER STATE

AUTHOR: Bryan - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Friday, February 11, 2005

I live in Phoenix, AZ ... And I have been reading through all of this nonsense and I would like to say something to everyone out there from Wisconsin and Minnesota, and someone specifically named Tamika who lives in Georgia, and anyone else who doesnt live in a border state, that you all have ABSOLUTELY NO IDEA what its like here in AZ.

Ok, yes, teenagers are the leading cause of accidents, but what does that have to do with illegal immigrants? Its not all teenager illegal mexicans that cause us insurance problems, its all of them. I personally myself, AND THIS IS NO JOKE, was rear ended by a hispanic, and as I pulled over to the side of the road, like you would normally do, I watched in astonishment as the male driver went driving away. Well of course I started following, and man, apparently this person didnt want to get deported, becasue I was in a high speed chase while on the phone with police hitting up to 80 mph on a surface street, but I didnt want to let this jerk get away. Apparently, I dont want to die, becasue I wouldnt follow them through the red light they blew through, amost killing 2 people.

This is what we deal with EVERY SINGLE DAY HERE IN GOOD OLD AZ. So to all of you in other cities and states around the country, that think you know what its like, and "it cant be that bad" YOUR WRONG AND IT REALLY IS THAT BAD.

And you know what happened after all of this? They never found the driver becasue the car had no license plate. So I was forced to make a decision, pay for the damages myself, or file a comprehensive insurance claim and pay higher premiums myself for making a claim with no other driver at fault. So what did I do? I dealt with it, for lack of money on my part(my deductable was $1000 at the time). I no longer have that vehicle, but every single day I walked out to my car I was reminded of how some low life with no insurance and most likely illegal hit my car and took off for "his better life here in the US".

This is a HUGE problem here, like someone said before in this post we have the MOST hit & runs per capita than anywhere else in the U.S. Kids die, and poeple are left with no vehicles, becasue these illegals want to drive and not get sent back. I think they shouldnt be here in the first place, and everyone who doesnt live where this is a problem, quit spouting off your mouth like you know whats going on.

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#208 Consumer Suggestion

TO ANYONE WHO DOESNT LIVE IN A BORDER STATE

AUTHOR: Bryan - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Friday, February 11, 2005

I live in Phoenix, AZ ... And I have been reading through all of this nonsense and I would like to say something to everyone out there from Wisconsin and Minnesota, and someone specifically named Tamika who lives in Georgia, and anyone else who doesnt live in a border state, that you all have ABSOLUTELY NO IDEA what its like here in AZ.

Ok, yes, teenagers are the leading cause of accidents, but what does that have to do with illegal immigrants? Its not all teenager illegal mexicans that cause us insurance problems, its all of them. I personally myself, AND THIS IS NO JOKE, was rear ended by a hispanic, and as I pulled over to the side of the road, like you would normally do, I watched in astonishment as the male driver went driving away. Well of course I started following, and man, apparently this person didnt want to get deported, becasue I was in a high speed chase while on the phone with police hitting up to 80 mph on a surface street, but I didnt want to let this jerk get away. Apparently, I dont want to die, becasue I wouldnt follow them through the red light they blew through, amost killing 2 people.

This is what we deal with EVERY SINGLE DAY HERE IN GOOD OLD AZ. So to all of you in other cities and states around the country, that think you know what its like, and "it cant be that bad" YOUR WRONG AND IT REALLY IS THAT BAD.

And you know what happened after all of this? They never found the driver becasue the car had no license plate. So I was forced to make a decision, pay for the damages myself, or file a comprehensive insurance claim and pay higher premiums myself for making a claim with no other driver at fault. So what did I do? I dealt with it, for lack of money on my part(my deductable was $1000 at the time). I no longer have that vehicle, but every single day I walked out to my car I was reminded of how some low life with no insurance and most likely illegal hit my car and took off for "his better life here in the US".

This is a HUGE problem here, like someone said before in this post we have the MOST hit & runs per capita than anywhere else in the U.S. Kids die, and poeple are left with no vehicles, becasue these illegals want to drive and not get sent back. I think they shouldnt be here in the first place, and everyone who doesnt live where this is a problem, quit spouting off your mouth like you know whats going on.

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TO ANYONE WHO DOESNT LIVE IN A BORDER STATE

AUTHOR: Bryan - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Friday, February 11, 2005

I live in Phoenix, AZ ... And I have been reading through all of this nonsense and I would like to say something to everyone out there from Wisconsin and Minnesota, and someone specifically named Tamika who lives in Georgia, and anyone else who doesnt live in a border state, that you all have ABSOLUTELY NO IDEA what its like here in AZ.

Ok, yes, teenagers are the leading cause of accidents, but what does that have to do with illegal immigrants? Its not all teenager illegal mexicans that cause us insurance problems, its all of them. I personally myself, AND THIS IS NO JOKE, was rear ended by a hispanic, and as I pulled over to the side of the road, like you would normally do, I watched in astonishment as the male driver went driving away. Well of course I started following, and man, apparently this person didnt want to get deported, becasue I was in a high speed chase while on the phone with police hitting up to 80 mph on a surface street, but I didnt want to let this jerk get away. Apparently, I dont want to die, becasue I wouldnt follow them through the red light they blew through, amost killing 2 people.

This is what we deal with EVERY SINGLE DAY HERE IN GOOD OLD AZ. So to all of you in other cities and states around the country, that think you know what its like, and "it cant be that bad" YOUR WRONG AND IT REALLY IS THAT BAD.

And you know what happened after all of this? They never found the driver becasue the car had no license plate. So I was forced to make a decision, pay for the damages myself, or file a comprehensive insurance claim and pay higher premiums myself for making a claim with no other driver at fault. So what did I do? I dealt with it, for lack of money on my part(my deductable was $1000 at the time). I no longer have that vehicle, but every single day I walked out to my car I was reminded of how some low life with no insurance and most likely illegal hit my car and took off for "his better life here in the US".

This is a HUGE problem here, like someone said before in this post we have the MOST hit & runs per capita than anywhere else in the U.S. Kids die, and poeple are left with no vehicles, becasue these illegals want to drive and not get sent back. I think they shouldnt be here in the first place, and everyone who doesnt live where this is a problem, quit spouting off your mouth like you know whats going on.

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TO ANYONE WHO DOESNT LIVE IN A BORDER STATE

AUTHOR: Bryan - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Friday, February 11, 2005

I live in Phoenix, AZ ... And I have been reading through all of this nonsense and I would like to say something to everyone out there from Wisconsin and Minnesota, and someone specifically named Tamika who lives in Georgia, and anyone else who doesnt live in a border state, that you all have ABSOLUTELY NO IDEA what its like here in AZ.

Ok, yes, teenagers are the leading cause of accidents, but what does that have to do with illegal immigrants? Its not all teenager illegal mexicans that cause us insurance problems, its all of them. I personally myself, AND THIS IS NO JOKE, was rear ended by a hispanic, and as I pulled over to the side of the road, like you would normally do, I watched in astonishment as the male driver went driving away. Well of course I started following, and man, apparently this person didnt want to get deported, becasue I was in a high speed chase while on the phone with police hitting up to 80 mph on a surface street, but I didnt want to let this jerk get away. Apparently, I dont want to die, becasue I wouldnt follow them through the red light they blew through, amost killing 2 people.

This is what we deal with EVERY SINGLE DAY HERE IN GOOD OLD AZ. So to all of you in other cities and states around the country, that think you know what its like, and "it cant be that bad" YOUR WRONG AND IT REALLY IS THAT BAD.

And you know what happened after all of this? They never found the driver becasue the car had no license plate. So I was forced to make a decision, pay for the damages myself, or file a comprehensive insurance claim and pay higher premiums myself for making a claim with no other driver at fault. So what did I do? I dealt with it, for lack of money on my part(my deductable was $1000 at the time). I no longer have that vehicle, but every single day I walked out to my car I was reminded of how some low life with no insurance and most likely illegal hit my car and took off for "his better life here in the US".

This is a HUGE problem here, like someone said before in this post we have the MOST hit & runs per capita than anywhere else in the U.S. Kids die, and poeple are left with no vehicles, becasue these illegals want to drive and not get sent back. I think they shouldnt be here in the first place, and everyone who doesnt live where this is a problem, quit spouting off your mouth like you know whats going on.

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#205 Consumer Comment

Safe Haven

AUTHOR: Catherine - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Sunday, January 16, 2005

I got stuck on the streets of Los Angeles one time in my life.

A latino family came to my rescue. Even with the language barrier, I learned to make a mean salsa.

We should try to get along. We all shed the same blood.

I do agree that we should not have to learn their language, they should learn ours.

It just seems that the way things should be are not.

Even with all that we have going on in America, There is no place like home. If it is really that bad here (this is intended for anyone) you should leave and see how other parts live. It may change your outlook on life and lives.

I have done the work that they do without complaint and I continue to do so to this day, because I do take pride in my country and how we as Americans are perceived. I do not want to be a contributor to lacsidasile (do not know if right spelling)way that most of think we are above working the jobs that they do.

Through my life
When I had no strife
I knew that my Lord (Jesus Christ)
And I was not of one accord.

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#204 Consumer Comment

illegal is illegal, I'm not picking on Mexicans. I have issues with our goverment.

AUTHOR: Connie - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Saturday, January 15, 2005

Reading this is amazing to me. The fence is a great ideal for the borders. The money saved that they are paying workers to guard our borders
and I mean all borders of the U.S could be used to fund a program to help immigrants to become legal citizens so they can have the american dream
that they don't have in there country. I have no problem with immigrants coming here to work legally but americans who use illegal immigrants so they get cheap labor and cheat our goverment should be proscuted as well as the ones who bring them into the US. By not protecting our borders and allowing immigrants to sneek in fuels the greed. Bottom line ..greed.. if employers really need workers there are legal labor companys who has legal people every day who want to work. Some people have the ideal that employers cannot get americans to do these so called "bad" jobs. With so much technology use machines to pick our fruits. Employers should apply for grants that our goverment is giving to legal-non american employers, you can use it to pay your legal immigrants minium wage. Yes, U.S. has problems we're not perfect but if illegal immigrants were not allowed, common sense our cost would be alot less.

I'm not picking on Mexicans. I have issues with our goverment giving to any immigrant that is not illegal, and I am 45 yrs old and got injuried on the job and I wasnt even eligible for food stamps, but immigrants can come here and because we feel compassion because they are from a different form of goverment and they are being given assistence before legal americans. That's so wrong given americans fought and some lost there lives for this "goverment". You can't blame immigrants for wanting a better life but at least in there own country they were not constantly in fear of deportation. When 9/11 happened and they found out the terroist were illegally here there was a t.v. station that reported 800 thousand immigrants were here illegally. It is survival for them to eat after they come into the US. Face it they can't go back unless they sneek again. I haven't read any articles of the US trying to make there goverment better? Hell, our goverment sent our troops thousands of miles to fight because of inhuman treatment and of course those "weapons of mass destruction" that hasn't been found. Why hasn't he tried to help the mexicans who continously cross our borders because they want to work and eat? Let's face it..there is more to this than any of us are aware of unless you have inside information as to why these borders are not protected with something as simple as a fence....illegal is illegal....After 9/11 I personally do not feel safe. It may be your home town next. I bet if you ask New Yorker's if illegal immigrants should be here, especially the ones who's family members were killed, they probably wouldn't take a chance again on any illegal immigrants. Mother Nature just took out 170 thousand people. This is unfortunate but it has gotten that 3rd world county more food than they had before. Their living arrangements were as bad as the Mexicans or Cubans. I am not a racist.. I am a realist...We are hated by some other country's. We can't save the world if we can't even take care of our own. How egotistical......opinions vary...God Blessed Americans..

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#203 Consumer Comment

illegal is illegal, I'm not picking on Mexicans. I have issues with our goverment.

AUTHOR: Connie - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Saturday, January 15, 2005

Reading this is amazing to me. The fence is a great ideal for the borders. The money saved that they are paying workers to guard our borders
and I mean all borders of the U.S could be used to fund a program to help immigrants to become legal citizens so they can have the american dream
that they don't have in there country. I have no problem with immigrants coming here to work legally but americans who use illegal immigrants so they get cheap labor and cheat our goverment should be proscuted as well as the ones who bring them into the US. By not protecting our borders and allowing immigrants to sneek in fuels the greed. Bottom line ..greed.. if employers really need workers there are legal labor companys who has legal people every day who want to work. Some people have the ideal that employers cannot get americans to do these so called "bad" jobs. With so much technology use machines to pick our fruits. Employers should apply for grants that our goverment is giving to legal-non american employers, you can use it to pay your legal immigrants minium wage. Yes, U.S. has problems we're not perfect but if illegal immigrants were not allowed, common sense our cost would be alot less.

I'm not picking on Mexicans. I have issues with our goverment giving to any immigrant that is not illegal, and I am 45 yrs old and got injuried on the job and I wasnt even eligible for food stamps, but immigrants can come here and because we feel compassion because they are from a different form of goverment and they are being given assistence before legal americans. That's so wrong given americans fought and some lost there lives for this "goverment". You can't blame immigrants for wanting a better life but at least in there own country they were not constantly in fear of deportation. When 9/11 happened and they found out the terroist were illegally here there was a t.v. station that reported 800 thousand immigrants were here illegally. It is survival for them to eat after they come into the US. Face it they can't go back unless they sneek again. I haven't read any articles of the US trying to make there goverment better? Hell, our goverment sent our troops thousands of miles to fight because of inhuman treatment and of course those "weapons of mass destruction" that hasn't been found. Why hasn't he tried to help the mexicans who continously cross our borders because they want to work and eat? Let's face it..there is more to this than any of us are aware of unless you have inside information as to why these borders are not protected with something as simple as a fence....illegal is illegal....After 9/11 I personally do not feel safe. It may be your home town next. I bet if you ask New Yorker's if illegal immigrants should be here, especially the ones who's family members were killed, they probably wouldn't take a chance again on any illegal immigrants. Mother Nature just took out 170 thousand people. This is unfortunate but it has gotten that 3rd world county more food than they had before. Their living arrangements were as bad as the Mexicans or Cubans. I am not a racist.. I am a realist...We are hated by some other country's. We can't save the world if we can't even take care of our own. How egotistical......opinions vary...God Blessed Americans..

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#202 Consumer Comment

illegal is illegal, I'm not picking on Mexicans. I have issues with our goverment.

AUTHOR: Connie - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Saturday, January 15, 2005

Reading this is amazing to me. The fence is a great ideal for the borders. The money saved that they are paying workers to guard our borders
and I mean all borders of the U.S could be used to fund a program to help immigrants to become legal citizens so they can have the american dream
that they don't have in there country. I have no problem with immigrants coming here to work legally but americans who use illegal immigrants so they get cheap labor and cheat our goverment should be proscuted as well as the ones who bring them into the US. By not protecting our borders and allowing immigrants to sneek in fuels the greed. Bottom line ..greed.. if employers really need workers there are legal labor companys who has legal people every day who want to work. Some people have the ideal that employers cannot get americans to do these so called "bad" jobs. With so much technology use machines to pick our fruits. Employers should apply for grants that our goverment is giving to legal-non american employers, you can use it to pay your legal immigrants minium wage. Yes, U.S. has problems we're not perfect but if illegal immigrants were not allowed, common sense our cost would be alot less.

I'm not picking on Mexicans. I have issues with our goverment giving to any immigrant that is not illegal, and I am 45 yrs old and got injuried on the job and I wasnt even eligible for food stamps, but immigrants can come here and because we feel compassion because they are from a different form of goverment and they are being given assistence before legal americans. That's so wrong given americans fought and some lost there lives for this "goverment". You can't blame immigrants for wanting a better life but at least in there own country they were not constantly in fear of deportation. When 9/11 happened and they found out the terroist were illegally here there was a t.v. station that reported 800 thousand immigrants were here illegally. It is survival for them to eat after they come into the US. Face it they can't go back unless they sneek again. I haven't read any articles of the US trying to make there goverment better? Hell, our goverment sent our troops thousands of miles to fight because of inhuman treatment and of course those "weapons of mass destruction" that hasn't been found. Why hasn't he tried to help the mexicans who continously cross our borders because they want to work and eat? Let's face it..there is more to this than any of us are aware of unless you have inside information as to why these borders are not protected with something as simple as a fence....illegal is illegal....After 9/11 I personally do not feel safe. It may be your home town next. I bet if you ask New Yorker's if illegal immigrants should be here, especially the ones who's family members were killed, they probably wouldn't take a chance again on any illegal immigrants. Mother Nature just took out 170 thousand people. This is unfortunate but it has gotten that 3rd world county more food than they had before. Their living arrangements were as bad as the Mexicans or Cubans. I am not a racist.. I am a realist...We are hated by some other country's. We can't save the world if we can't even take care of our own. How egotistical......opinions vary...God Blessed Americans..

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Let's Call this was this is Lynn, RACISM

AUTHOR: Melissa - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Thursday, December 16, 2004

Illegal voting?? You really want to bring illegal voting up when the majority of americans are too lazy to get into the polls! If they are beating the system and voting, good for them! At least they care enough about the place they live to try and improve it!

As for diseases, come on! Do you realize that for a country which has sex education, and available birth control that STD's are still spread like wildfire, especially in the school systems. This isn't because of illegal aliens. This is because of the religious right pushing abstinence down a culture's throat that will not bite!

And for the record, let us not forget it was our forefathers who spread smallpox to the Native Americans by giving them tainted blankets! Let us not forget that it was the WHITES who held the white flags up in defeat only to kill the Indians when they stepped out of cover!

These same slave owners, and thieves, and worse pieces of scum to have ever lived are homaged in history books. The ONE historical aspect of the building of America that we can be proud of as a Nation is what the country stands for even if it was not always practiced!

"Give me your tired, your poor, Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free, The wretched refuse of your teeming shore. Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me, I lift my lamp beside the golden door!"

People like you make all Americans look bad. You make ridiculous claims such as the higeine comment I won't justify, and try and make excuses for your racism.

If you don't succeed in this nation blame the rich and poor gap that Bush is attempting to make even wider. Blame yourself for not being motivated enough to get the experience required for an education. Blame OUTSOURCING! BUT do not blame the poor huddled masses who are working for less than it takes to survive!

I don't understand how ignorance in this country is so predominant! You write in only what I can assume is a sincere testimony however every statement is either false or misrepresented!

Immigrants did not bring disease into this country. White settlers did and because of that (along with the disgusting practices of war) 95% of Native American tribes no longer exist.

Every person should have the ability to go wherever they want to. They should have the ability to seek employment wherever they want. This disgusting notion that somehow Americans are better and therefore deserve better needs to be corrected! Every single person should be able to achieve what they are willing to work for! And maybe if you're not succeeding it's because you're not working as hard as the man from a different land! And if you're diseased maybe it's because your hygiene needs to be improved! Stop passing the buck and take responsibility!

Early White Settlers (and for the record I am white as snow) RAPED, PILLAGED, and STOLE this land! We as their descendents have no rightful claim to it!

And as far as the legalities of the situation. These are the same lawmakers who are making it legal to trace the actions of every single civilian. These same lawmakers and congressmen who are making it permissable to strip civil rights from everyone!

People need to know who the enemies are! It isn't the man making two dollars an hour working twenty hours a day. It's the man making billions of dollars while watching everyone else starve! It's the folks that are making laws and tax breaks to ensure that the rich get richer and the poor get poorer.

No The Enemy, d**n the Man, and Fight the PoWer
Melissa

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Let's Call this was this is Lynn, RACISM

AUTHOR: Melissa - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Thursday, December 16, 2004

Illegal voting?? You really want to bring illegal voting up when the majority of americans are too lazy to get into the polls! If they are beating the system and voting, good for them! At least they care enough about the place they live to try and improve it!

As for diseases, come on! Do you realize that for a country which has sex education, and available birth control that STD's are still spread like wildfire, especially in the school systems. This isn't because of illegal aliens. This is because of the religious right pushing abstinence down a culture's throat that will not bite!

And for the record, let us not forget it was our forefathers who spread smallpox to the Native Americans by giving them tainted blankets! Let us not forget that it was the WHITES who held the white flags up in defeat only to kill the Indians when they stepped out of cover!

These same slave owners, and thieves, and worse pieces of scum to have ever lived are homaged in history books. The ONE historical aspect of the building of America that we can be proud of as a Nation is what the country stands for even if it was not always practiced!

"Give me your tired, your poor, Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free, The wretched refuse of your teeming shore. Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me, I lift my lamp beside the golden door!"

People like you make all Americans look bad. You make ridiculous claims such as the higeine comment I won't justify, and try and make excuses for your racism.

If you don't succeed in this nation blame the rich and poor gap that Bush is attempting to make even wider. Blame yourself for not being motivated enough to get the experience required for an education. Blame OUTSOURCING! BUT do not blame the poor huddled masses who are working for less than it takes to survive!

I don't understand how ignorance in this country is so predominant! You write in only what I can assume is a sincere testimony however every statement is either false or misrepresented!

Immigrants did not bring disease into this country. White settlers did and because of that (along with the disgusting practices of war) 95% of Native American tribes no longer exist.

Every person should have the ability to go wherever they want to. They should have the ability to seek employment wherever they want. This disgusting notion that somehow Americans are better and therefore deserve better needs to be corrected! Every single person should be able to achieve what they are willing to work for! And maybe if you're not succeeding it's because you're not working as hard as the man from a different land! And if you're diseased maybe it's because your hygiene needs to be improved! Stop passing the buck and take responsibility!

Early White Settlers (and for the record I am white as snow) RAPED, PILLAGED, and STOLE this land! We as their descendents have no rightful claim to it!

And as far as the legalities of the situation. These are the same lawmakers who are making it legal to trace the actions of every single civilian. These same lawmakers and congressmen who are making it permissable to strip civil rights from everyone!

People need to know who the enemies are! It isn't the man making two dollars an hour working twenty hours a day. It's the man making billions of dollars while watching everyone else starve! It's the folks that are making laws and tax breaks to ensure that the rich get richer and the poor get poorer.

No The Enemy, d**n the Man, and Fight the PoWer
Melissa

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Let's Call this was this is Lynn, RACISM

AUTHOR: Melissa - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Thursday, December 16, 2004

Illegal voting?? You really want to bring illegal voting up when the majority of americans are too lazy to get into the polls! If they are beating the system and voting, good for them! At least they care enough about the place they live to try and improve it!

As for diseases, come on! Do you realize that for a country which has sex education, and available birth control that STD's are still spread like wildfire, especially in the school systems. This isn't because of illegal aliens. This is because of the religious right pushing abstinence down a culture's throat that will not bite!

And for the record, let us not forget it was our forefathers who spread smallpox to the Native Americans by giving them tainted blankets! Let us not forget that it was the WHITES who held the white flags up in defeat only to kill the Indians when they stepped out of cover!

These same slave owners, and thieves, and worse pieces of scum to have ever lived are homaged in history books. The ONE historical aspect of the building of America that we can be proud of as a Nation is what the country stands for even if it was not always practiced!

"Give me your tired, your poor, Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free, The wretched refuse of your teeming shore. Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me, I lift my lamp beside the golden door!"

People like you make all Americans look bad. You make ridiculous claims such as the higeine comment I won't justify, and try and make excuses for your racism.

If you don't succeed in this nation blame the rich and poor gap that Bush is attempting to make even wider. Blame yourself for not being motivated enough to get the experience required for an education. Blame OUTSOURCING! BUT do not blame the poor huddled masses who are working for less than it takes to survive!

I don't understand how ignorance in this country is so predominant! You write in only what I can assume is a sincere testimony however every statement is either false or misrepresented!

Immigrants did not bring disease into this country. White settlers did and because of that (along with the disgusting practices of war) 95% of Native American tribes no longer exist.

Every person should have the ability to go wherever they want to. They should have the ability to seek employment wherever they want. This disgusting notion that somehow Americans are better and therefore deserve better needs to be corrected! Every single person should be able to achieve what they are willing to work for! And maybe if you're not succeeding it's because you're not working as hard as the man from a different land! And if you're diseased maybe it's because your hygiene needs to be improved! Stop passing the buck and take responsibility!

Early White Settlers (and for the record I am white as snow) RAPED, PILLAGED, and STOLE this land! We as their descendents have no rightful claim to it!

And as far as the legalities of the situation. These are the same lawmakers who are making it legal to trace the actions of every single civilian. These same lawmakers and congressmen who are making it permissable to strip civil rights from everyone!

People need to know who the enemies are! It isn't the man making two dollars an hour working twenty hours a day. It's the man making billions of dollars while watching everyone else starve! It's the folks that are making laws and tax breaks to ensure that the rich get richer and the poor get poorer.

No The Enemy, d**n the Man, and Fight the PoWer
Melissa

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#198 Consumer Suggestion

First of all, the 'poor victim' slant put on these immigrants by this editor is such a gross exaggeration of reality that it should be deleted.

AUTHOR: Mark - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Thursday, December 16, 2004

1. No one FORCES these people to come here - he said it himself - conditions are a hell of a lot WORSE in Mexico - and for whose God d**n fault? THEIR OWN - they made their country the way it is, and have no one to blame but themselves. They come here because they WANT to. Sure conditions are hard, but they make exponentially more money here than they would at home - we are doing them a FAVOR. Do a poll and ask how many of them, if given the choice, would rather continue to work in whatever conditions here, or never be able to work here at all - know what the answer would be? That's right - they all want to work here.

2. The problems illegals cause (ie, $1 BILLION of added health care cost for California ALONE) far outweigh the relevance of the sometimes harsh conditions they live in while working.

3. I do not agree with the 'taking American jobs' perspective though - as people here have said, no Americans are willing to work those jobs for the wages they pay. If we didn't have Mexican workers, farmers would have to pay a lot more to get Americans to work the fields, and prices would rise. Eventually however, they would offer a wage that would entice enough Americans to fill the slots - that's the nature of capitalism and supply/demand.

4. Liberal morons spouting off labels such as 'racist' are absolutely stupid. The people against illegal workers are not racist - they don't like people invading our borders. Do you know how many countries would simply shoot people illegally crossing? We do need to build a fence - a really big one. And that's not racist. Illegals are a huge burden on too many municipalities, and American taxpayers should not be forced to subsidize their criminal activity. That's right - they are, by DEFINITION, CRIMINALS. They have violated the laws of our country by crossing illegally.

5. The 'sweatshops' idiots refer to are simply industrial compounds with harsh work conditions - some of our own steel mills could be considered sweat shops. Comparing the wages they earn in 3rd-World countries to ours and calling them 'low' is simply an illustration of how stupid some people are. The reason they work in these shops is because they often pay TWO TO THREE TIMES MORE than what they would make in other jobs in their country - but liberal media looking for sensationalized stories doesn't report the relevant facts - that wouldn't sell their lies very well now would it.

In short, go sell victim somewhere else - Americans aren't buying it anymore.

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#197 Consumer Comment

God Bless Lynn!!

AUTHOR: Betty - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Thursday, December 16, 2004

I cannot believe the words Lynn just typed above. I've been following this report and i can't just believe someone would utter such words about a fellow human being. I don't think anyone can vote without being a citizen. even the "legal residents can't vote". They have to become citizens first through Naturalization.(see the INS website)
About the diseases; it's absolutely ridiculous to accuse others of bringing some natural catastrophies to this country. Even with walls up all the borders and tall gates to keep off aliens, you would still get them, especially the airbourne ones. With winds blowing left and right from you don't know where, you would still get sick! So long as you breath air you are no exception.
Talk about breaking the law! American jails are full of Americans by birth! Some killing their wives and husbands for insurance money, hatred, robbery, you name it. I can bet the illegals in the jails are not even a quarter of the population in there.
I'm not only amazed by lynn's comments but by some other ones too. First i don't know why this whole issue is being directed to Mexicans only. We have stowaways getting in through California from the East and Asia. I don't think they are Mexicans. We also have few millions from other parts of the world that come legally through legal ports of entry. The terrorists of Sep 11th never came in illegally. They came legally but maybe became illegal at some point. So the idea of deportation is kind of out of the question. How would you like around 30 million illegal aliens to be deported out of your pocket huh? Some air fare tickets to some of this countries cost about $1500 one way. Do your math and see the kind of money our government will spend doing this.
I think a solution should be sought to legalize the aliens who are already in. Then the homeland security can find better ways to tighten the borders to avoid any more slip ins.
I know you are all thinking I'm a Mexican. I'm not. I'm just another member of the human race, but to be more specific I'm a black African. I came here some time back through a port of entry; legally!
USA is the only place with a great cultural diversity. And for your information that is not going to change soon. So we better deal with it. For the people feeling opressed because of their skin color, i think if you do whats right and get that idea out of your head you'll see the difference. I work in an office full of whites as you call them and Asians and Hispanics; and never have i ever been offended or looked upon, even with my pronounced accent. Yes, i've been to a restaurant deep into the heart of Florida where some white waitresses refused to wait on me. But i didn't want to think it had anything to do with my skin color. It was because they were primitive uneducated and ignorant stereotypes living in the 18th century. May be i'm missing something out, but where i grew up back in Africa there were people of different colors everywhere, but even having blacks as the most you would have never heard anything based on skin color. And thats the way i grew up, until i came to the USA. It's true my country was colonized by white people from Europe, but again, this was back in the days when they didn't know much and the world was not mixed up as it is today. The colonists brought something with them when they came to Africa; Education, christianity and better ways of living which they happened to learn before the Africans did. And the Africans embraced this ways and used them to their advantage! People in America, it could have been worse here, thank God you belong here.
All i can say is aim for the skies and don't let that stop you. Oprah did it, Condoleeza Rice did it, and so can you. For those who oppress others due to their color, shame on you! You should know better. If someone talks like you, thinks like you and most of all have blood running through their veins then they cannot be any inferior than you! It's time to make this world a better place for the human race. We need more people like Robert from Jacksonville, Melissa from Ludlow Mass. Ashley, Carlos and all that were positive and thought like human beings. God bless us all. :)

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God Bless Lynn!!

AUTHOR: Betty - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Thursday, December 16, 2004

I cannot believe the words Lynn just typed above. I've been following this report and i can't just believe someone would utter such words about a fellow human being. I don't think anyone can vote without being a citizen. even the "legal residents can't vote". They have to become citizens first through Naturalization.(see the INS website)
About the diseases; it's absolutely ridiculous to accuse others of bringing some natural catastrophies to this country. Even with walls up all the borders and tall gates to keep off aliens, you would still get them, especially the airbourne ones. With winds blowing left and right from you don't know where, you would still get sick! So long as you breath air you are no exception.
Talk about breaking the law! American jails are full of Americans by birth! Some killing their wives and husbands for insurance money, hatred, robbery, you name it. I can bet the illegals in the jails are not even a quarter of the population in there.
I'm not only amazed by lynn's comments but by some other ones too. First i don't know why this whole issue is being directed to Mexicans only. We have stowaways getting in through California from the East and Asia. I don't think they are Mexicans. We also have few millions from other parts of the world that come legally through legal ports of entry. The terrorists of Sep 11th never came in illegally. They came legally but maybe became illegal at some point. So the idea of deportation is kind of out of the question. How would you like around 30 million illegal aliens to be deported out of your pocket huh? Some air fare tickets to some of this countries cost about $1500 one way. Do your math and see the kind of money our government will spend doing this.
I think a solution should be sought to legalize the aliens who are already in. Then the homeland security can find better ways to tighten the borders to avoid any more slip ins.
I know you are all thinking I'm a Mexican. I'm not. I'm just another member of the human race, but to be more specific I'm a black African. I came here some time back through a port of entry; legally!
USA is the only place with a great cultural diversity. And for your information that is not going to change soon. So we better deal with it. For the people feeling opressed because of their skin color, i think if you do whats right and get that idea out of your head you'll see the difference. I work in an office full of whites as you call them and Asians and Hispanics; and never have i ever been offended or looked upon, even with my pronounced accent. Yes, i've been to a restaurant deep into the heart of Florida where some white waitresses refused to wait on me. But i didn't want to think it had anything to do with my skin color. It was because they were primitive uneducated and ignorant stereotypes living in the 18th century. May be i'm missing something out, but where i grew up back in Africa there were people of different colors everywhere, but even having blacks as the most you would have never heard anything based on skin color. And thats the way i grew up, until i came to the USA. It's true my country was colonized by white people from Europe, but again, this was back in the days when they didn't know much and the world was not mixed up as it is today. The colonists brought something with them when they came to Africa; Education, christianity and better ways of living which they happened to learn before the Africans did. And the Africans embraced this ways and used them to their advantage! People in America, it could have been worse here, thank God you belong here.
All i can say is aim for the skies and don't let that stop you. Oprah did it, Condoleeza Rice did it, and so can you. For those who oppress others due to their color, shame on you! You should know better. If someone talks like you, thinks like you and most of all have blood running through their veins then they cannot be any inferior than you! It's time to make this world a better place for the human race. We need more people like Robert from Jacksonville, Melissa from Ludlow Mass. Ashley, Carlos and all that were positive and thought like human beings. God bless us all. :)

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#195 Consumer Comment

Illegal is Illegal - No rights or Privileges - Go Home!

AUTHOR: Lynn - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Wednesday, December 15, 2004

Did you know that illegal aliens have been and continue to vote all over this country?

The average American is aware that these people are here, but they are not aware of the problems that they are costing all of us, whether it be health, crime, overcrowded schools, depressing of wages, illegal aliens voting, etc. The government is basically ignoring the impact on us.

Illegal aliens are ILLEGAL, they break the law just by entering our country, in addition to that no one seems to be disturbed by the fact that they are bringing numerous diseases to this country, some we never had here and some we had virtually eliminated.

Illegal aliens are not checked for disease, but roam freely to cough, sneeze, pick and prepare food, babysit your children, their children go to school with yours, you have no idea what they are bringing home.

Our country is presently overwhelmed with disease brought by the illegal aliens that include drug resistant tuberculosis, hepatitis A, B & C, leprosy, chagas, dengue fever, polio, malaria, SARS, west nile virus, lice, increase AIDS, and a worm that works its way to the brain and bores into it, not counting the viruses and bacteria from the thousands that cross through a river along the border that is sewage drainage that includes polio.

These same people are picking and preparing food in this country (hygiene not popular among these groups), remember the Chili's hepatitus outbreak last year where several died and 500 infected from the green onions obtained from mexico. It was reported that it was from human feces on the onions. Most of us have had the unfortunate experience of an alien relieving themselves publicly, imagine what they do when we don't see them.

These are the same people babysitting children. Their children going to school with our children, you can't put your child in a bubble.

Not counting the murders, rapes, thefts, robberies, violent gangs, child molesting, drug smuggling, prostitution, over crowded housing, sucking the life out of our schools, social services and medical facilities, jails & prisons, stealing our autos, and jewelry, etc. and selling them in Mexico. They fly their mexican flag on their cars and homes in this country and have chickens in their front yard.

The federal government is completely aware of the above, they reimburse states for a portion of the cost for feeding, jailing, and medical care, etc. for these people with OUR tax dollars. although the states complain it is never enough.

The federal government is letting these people obtain mortgages to buy homes here with no social security number or proof of legal status. They are allowing president fox roam this country freely as he did on June 18, giving pep talks to illegals, congratulating them on entering and telling them what to demand, better education, housing, social security, etc. He should be barred from this country. If he put as much effort in his country and cleaned it up and his corrupt government, then he wouldn't have to send them here.

I am appauled and ashamed of the federal government putting the health of my family in danger (who will pay my medical bills?), for not upholding the laws of this country, for undermining and depressing American wages, for allowing illegals to take affordable housing Americans need so bad, and for leaving our borders open to all the thieves, trash, terrorists and anyone else who wants to follow for whatever reason. For allowing the babies born to these people to be automatic citizens and suck more from us. For letting the streets of America become replicas of mexico city complete with the flags, sewage and trash. ILLEGALS are not immigrants.

Once we were a country to look up to and envy, no more. We have let the corrupt trash that borders us, demand and rule us at the expense of our people. Since most of our so called lawmakers were former lawyers, you would think they knew what ILLEGAL meant. Maybe it is time to have a president that was not a lawyer or born with a silver spoon and doesn't have a million or more, and has no special interests or personal agendas. Someone who lives with the people as the people. I will NOT vote for either candidate. Why should I vote for someone who is putting the ILLEGAL above the health and well being of the American citizen.

But it is a proven fact that ILLEGALS have and continue to vote in approximately 46 states. These states require no proof of citizenship to register to vote and most were automatically registered when they obtained driver licenses and they are taking full advantage of the fraud and breaking another law which they have not been prosecuted for.

God please bless America, we need all the help we can get.

Go to www.fairus.org read the articles, they will turn your stomach.

As far as I am concerned people who enter the country Illegally, have NO rights or privileges. We are not a country of immigrants, but a country who are descendants of immigrants, who came here legally and changed their lives and languages to live the American way. They did not come here to change the language, customs and laws to suit them, but worked hard to fit in. These Illegals do not want to fit in or live the American way, they want to change us to live their way. GO HOME!

Put the thousands you pay smugglers, etc. and the efforts, etc. used to get here into changing and making your own country a thriving better place.

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#194 Consumer Comment

Can't we all just get along?

AUTHOR: Robert - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Saturday, December 11, 2004

You're right Carlos. Manuel Noriega is serving a 30 year sentence down in Miami. It was 40, but reduced to 30 after his appeals went through. He has been denied parole repeatedly. His release date in 2007 is due to his good behavior. All prison systems in this country do that. If you behave, they will let you go early. You asked if I knew where he was. I do, and I answered that question. I feel no animosity towards you or any other black, male or female. I have gotten into fights with all races while growing up. At no time was the other person's race the issue. My best friend in Japan was a black guy. We were so alike it was uncanny. My nemesis was also black. His race had nothing to do with anything. He was just "as dumb as a bag of hammers" and gave orders to the others like he was Napoleon. As an example of his brilliance, he had my buddy fill the BRAKE DRUMS on the 3 M-561 Gamma Goats we had in the motor pool with gear oil even though he was told that was not a good idea. Anyone who was in the military up through the early 80's reading this will understand what they are and how it's possible. He was stupid and showed it as often as possible. Unfortunately, he also outranked the rest of us. I told the Platoon Sgt what he was doing and then the fun started. Sgt Copes was huge and very imposing. By the time it was all over, there was one Marine Cpl who learned to try and get along with the rest of us. Sgt Copes was also black. He was the best Sgt I ever met and patterned my leadership skills after him when I picked up Cpl and then Sgt. In fact, I never worked for a white guy in the Marines. Every promotion I got was from a black, every a*s-chewing too. The Marine who recruited me was black too. I don't care what color someone is. I don't take applications for employment from anyone. If I need another guy, I go out and look for one. I know people and get recommendations for mechs. I'll even go to other shops and hire them away. This way, I pick and choose who I want. I started doing this because of my previous employee problems. Since doing it this way, I have had nothing but good workers. I don't need reassuring for anything, sorry. I also know B&R is a subsidiary of Halliburton, just as Saturn is a sub of General Motors. Parent company vs subsidiary. It may be semantics, but it does clarify things. As for the old lady, her driving skills prove why she shouldn't even have a drivers license, but that is a whole 'nother issue. I worked for a shop in MD and 2 customers called the cops on different days when Ernie took their cars out for test drives. Yes, Ernie was black. Every one of us tried to convince the customers that their cars were not stolen. They were stupid, not racist. Ernie wasn't wearing his uniform that day. Everyone else there was white and all of us explained to the cops, including me Carlos, that the customer was wrong. Ernie got stopped on the road for one of them and was let go by the white cop as soon as he showed the cop the work order. In both cases, the customer apologized to Ernie and offered $$ to make ammends. Ernie had a good attitude. He never held a grudge, or at least never let it show. As to the traffic stop in NC, I told you the deal on that. I have lived it myself. I was a NC Inspector for years. I even got stopped for my sticker being expired. I showed a current inspection and it was dismissed. Been there, done that. I know how NC Law works. It is and always will be my home. I am still a resident and drive on NC plates and a license. I just work down here in FL. And as for my resentment of ILLEGALS in this country, and? Why is it so difficult to understand this issue? This is the ONLY country that puts up with it. We are also the only country that doesn't require them to speak the language that is predominant. Go to Germany and try NOT speaking German. Good luck with that. Wait, they don't even want people to migrate there. If someone wants to be free and come here, I am all for it. Fill out the paperwork and do it correctly. IT IS FREE!!! And the Mexican Government will assist them with the entire process. They give them the cards and paperwork every day. The lines are long but they get what they need to do it the right way. AND IT'S FREE!!!There is no reason to cross the fenceline and wander the desert trying to find work. Fill out the paperwork and go through the gate, not around it. Peace out.

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#193 Consumer Suggestion

There's no easy answer. Remember everyone, we are a land of opportunity.

AUTHOR: Dr - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Friday, December 10, 2004

This immigration problem is way too complicated to just explain away with a few rules. I'm assuming that Mexican citizens have a lower standard of living, and come to the US to get a job, make money, and provide for those they left behind. Latinos do almost all the construction and landscaping jobs and a big percentage of food service jobs as well. From what I've seen, they are humble and work harder than ANY other ethnic group and from my experiences with the younger ones, send almost all the money back home.
Because they're in a new country and speaking a different language, and unfamiliar with how things can work, they can be exploited by employers. There was an article in the NC paper a while back that showed the poor living conditions when doing agricultural work. Every living person is entitled to human dignity.

I think it's pretty well known that some citizens think some jobs are just too low class to take yet Latinos will gladly work them for the money they make, even if they don't get paid fairly.

That also brings up a complex problem. Everyone wants to cut expenses, which means spending less money everywhere. That starts from the (stupid) executives all the way down to the guys working in the hot sun picking the vegatables you insist on buying at the lowest possible price while getting paid very little and more often that not, having little or no accomodations.
Where is the compassion?

For Christians, we should minister to the sick and the poor.

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#192 Consumer Comment

Previous rebuttal was not posted.

AUTHOR: Carlos - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Friday, December 10, 2004

My previous rebuttal to Robert was not posted, probably due to the fact that I provided several websites in provide a bibliography for the disputed fact. Fact 1: My case was dismissed due to the Assistant DA assigned to it requesting it be thrown out. I spoke with my attorney and he said the judge complied with the prosecutions request. Since I wasn't present, I "assumed" that the reason was due to the legality of the stop concerning my brake light. What I didn't know was that within weeks of my court case, the trooper was placed on administrative leave because of " a pattern of targeting young black males. Now during my stop the trooper WAS NOT rude and I had no complaint about his behavior. The problem was that out of 67 stops, 54 of them were Black males. 10 were Hispanics. Two were white and 1 was Asian Another trooper assigned to the area had a more diverse total of alleged violaters. They were working the same shift, same area. The trooper eventually resigned. The brake light was out and it WAS a stoppable violation, but given the number of speeding people around me, there was no justification in the stop when the other trooper was trying to pull two other speeding motorist.
Noriega is in jail serving 30 years and will be relased in 2007. Get your facts right. Check the federal prisoners website.
AAA did apologize for the incident with the old lady but it wasn't their place to offer an apology. They are there to serve their customers and were trying to do so to the best of their ability. There were several agents that responded to old people that left the phones after their shift and drove their OWN vehicles to try and assist the elderly people that were stranded. Can you imagine being stuck in a ditch at 72 years old while trying to get groceries in the middle of an ice storm? You called your emergency roadside assistance and are told the wait time is two hours. I was impressed by the kindness and sincerity shown by my coworkers, I was upset with the old lady, I was disappointed with the fact that she was so close minded.
I have a wonderful job that is starting to pay me wonderfully. My gripe with my part time job is a matter of principle. Why should a manager be able to talk to an employee like he was dirt. In my home based business, I treat everyone like they were the only client or worker I have. Cause you never know who may be there to save your life one day.
As for your wife Robert. I am happy that you and your wife are happy together. I am glad she feels she doesn't need the "brothers" ....was that a comment to reassure you or me? Ask yourself......
Also.... Brown and Root is a subsidary of Halliburton. Clinto had "allow" the contract with them to be negotiated because by 1997 they were so entrenched that the Army cried foul when Dynacorp won the contract. Check the Logcap website.
What you are doing is making excuses as to why you harbor resentment toward Black men. Yes some of "us" have BIG issues but I should not and will not suffer cause of what some other "brotha" has done. I work too hard to do that. Do you have any Black friends? If so, let them read my post and ask them their take on what I said. Keep an open mind and allow yourself to feel their responses. Again I love ALL people regardless of race. Even when I being called a n****r, I still love them .... I might not like them, but I was raised to love ALL people and to respect all people. Again my previous comments were for the people that had such foul things to say about the immigrants, regardless of their whter they are illegal or legal.
To the proofer reader of this: please don't delete this one. I am replying to a negative attitude that this gentleman feels towrad Black men and apparently Illegal immigrants.

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#191 Consumer Comment

I'm sick to my stomach now! The racism I have read up above is disgusting.

AUTHOR: Melissa - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Friday, December 10, 2004

"Give us your tired, your hungry, your poor, your enslaved masses"

The racism I have read up above is disgusting. We live in a society that has fundamental problems that we need to address. They aren't new problems. Many have been around as long as this country, but we still need to break down these barriers and fix the mindset that is being passed down from one generation to the next.

I think a serious problem is the concept of borders! Why should any place be shut off from another? If someone chooses to come and live in America they should be able to. I read one post from someone who brought up that it was people from another nation that brought the tragedy of 9/11. This is true, but can we say that about the Oklahoma bombing, or the Columbine shooting, or the cults that have killed themselves in droves? No. Shutting the world out and building walls around ourselves doesn't solve anything! Can't we learn from the past? Are we really that faulty as human beings, that arrogant?

Another issue that needs to be resolved is passing judgement. Welfare may not be the best system as it stands today, but less than 1% of taxes are put aside for welfare. Can it be improved? Sure! Is it destroying America? Not at all.

When we decide that the ability to be able to blow up and destroy the world 30 times is enough, maybe we can stop putting money into forming new ways to do so. Maybe, if we looked back at Hiroshima we could decide that there are more productive and humane ways to invest our money.

Paying people practically nothing to do horrendous jobs is disgusting. To say that it's alright because they are a different shade skin is repulsive. To make generalizations based on nothing but fear and misplaced hatred is ignorant. And unfortunately, this is where we stand in America.

When France disagreed with us we needed to change the name of french fries to Freedom fries. It is that level of brainwashing, that mindset of 'they are either with us or against us' that causes this seperation that IS destroying this world!

We live in an economy that relies on people being sheep, and it's sad. It is sad that there are people who work so hard and so long at jobs that they are unable to come home and think critically about issues of today. Unfortunately, that's what our politicians count on. Lull us to sleep with sitcoms and repetitive, monotonous work so when we hear about Abu Gharib or another travesty that was caused by people that we are brainwashed to see as our own, we ignore it. That's not right. It's not productive and it makes us stand perfectly still in a falling nation, just watching it go.

I consider myself a person first, and an American second. Saying that I do consider myself patriotic. I love this country so much that I want it to become what it stands for, and I hope it does.

Generally, I would not post a political rambling on this board. I don't think it is necessarily the place, however to read the posts that were so abusive and derogatory to one another made me need to say something.

My neighbors play loud music. They don't do it because they're white. They do it because they're jerks. There's an old man who comes in the store I work with and he smells like urine. It's not because he doesn't care, but because he had six operations and now deals with problems with his bladder. My sister's bestfriend (born and raised in the U.S.A.) just turned 18 and purposely became pregnant and is now on welfare. She didn't do it to welch off the state but because the society she grew up in made her feel so unloved that she wanted to make something that would love her unconditionally, even if she didn't have the means to care for he/she.

Let's stop with the name calling, and let's stop trying to shut people out. If we WORK together WE CAN better ourselves. We can rise above the nonsense and fix what is fundamentally wrong with our society! I know I sound too idealistic, but I also know that we have a much better chance if we band together. Right now, this is a classist society. Racism of course still exists, but to paraphrase a great movie, BullWorth, "the white people have more in common with the black people than they do the rich."

Know the enemy, Fight the Power, and d**n the Man!

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#190 Consumer Comment

TIRED OF "PUSH AND PULL"

AUTHOR: ASHLEY - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Thursday, December 09, 2004

I can't say I think illegal immigrants should stay or go. I can describe the conditions I'm tired of:

1. drivers without title, registration, and insurance that are not held accountable for their actions

2. the declining value and aesthetics of neighborhoods because the residents don't care or otherwise

3. houses with mutliple families, multiple kids per family, and husbands that aren't claimed on welfare

4. corporations and businesses taking advantage of lower class citizens because they can

5. being discriminated against because of the language i speak or the color of my skin

6. not being able to read the signs posted in my neighborhood

example: montreal is both english and french speaking. however, per law, signs using both english and french languages must be significantly smaller than those bearing the same english advertisements

6. seeing sympathizers give handouts to select groups of people

example: a customer who did not speak english did not understand a service charge given to ALL customers, thus her charges were deleted. however, another customer (speaking a different language) had the exact same problem and the company would do nothing for him.

I see that alot of the issues that I am tired of seeing happen to involve illegal immigrants or those who are inconsiderate of others.

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#189 Consumer Comment

So many things wrong in that last one

AUTHOR: Robert - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Tuesday, December 07, 2004

Carlos, you have so many "facts" wrong it's sad. The 3rd brake light became a requirement in 1986, not 1996. That means your little car had it from the factory. You were in violation of NC law. I went to the NC General Statute you wanted. It says the Highway Patrol can do it. I quote: "When on duty, upon reasonable belief that any vehicle is being operated in violation of this Article or of any other law regulating the operation of vehicles to require the driver thereof to stop and exhibit his driver's license and the registration card issued for the vehicle, and submit to an inspection of such vehicle, the registration plates and registration card thereon or to an inspection and test of the equipment of such vehicle." Does that do it for you Carlos? Your light was out. The cop pulled you over because you were violating NC law. As I also said previously, upon showing proof of correcting the equipment violation, the citation would have been dismissed. That is because the violation is now fixed. NO Judge will tell you in NC that you don't need brake lights. As for Halliburton and Cheney, sorry. Your facts reall y aren't. LOGCAP began in 1985, the year before your 3rd brake light became a requirement. The US Army awarded the contact in 1992 to Brown & Root, not Halliburton itself. When that contract was up, it was awarded to Dynacorp. Bill Clinton awarded a seperate contract to Halliburton in 1997 and that is the one they are operating under now. On to the rest of your drivel. No Carlos, shoving a plunger up a man's a*s is NOT profiling. That is called police brutality. The cops involved were fired, charged, convicted and sent to prison. The Haitian immigrant was then awarded $50 million dollars. By the way, he was originally arrested for disorderly conduct, not that that really matters. James Byrd was murdered by 3 white guys. They were in turn charged, convicted and sent to prison with death sentences. Texas has a way of carrying them out. I never said that all blacks I have hired stole from me. Do you see what you are doing Carlos? You like to lump everyone into one group. I said the only ones that did steal from me were black, not all the blacks stole. I said the the problems with the white guys was laziness and hitting the bottle. That does not mean they were all drunk and lazy. TskTskTsk. My wife, Juanita, is rather surprised by your charge of racism against me. It's funny because she has no need for the "brothers" as she puts it, she likes white guys. So did my brother's widow. As for the voting in 2000, what about it? The Dems put out that charges of fraud and every investigation done by everyone showed them to be false. There was never any attempt to s top blacks from voting. The only votes that weren't counted, or at least the attempt was made to NOT count them, were the absentee ballots from the military. Democrats know full well they do not get the military vote and tried to stop them. This year, the city even went so far as to open the polls weeks early, and provide transportation to/from the voting centers. And still, the black leadership cried foul and said they were being hampered. What the hell did they want? Did they want the ballots hand delivered to them and then picked up when they were done? I notice you've held alot of jobs. And in every one of them you are somehow the "victim" of racism. How exactly are you getting all of these jobs if the employers are all racists? Maybe you need to look in the mirror and figure out who the real problem is. In every job you've listed so far, you were unable to do your job because of all the racism from employers and customers. The odds of what you say being true are so astronomical that it defies logic. On to other news. Manuel Noriega is in a Florida Federal Prison serving his 40 year sentence. Take care Carlos. You have real issues in life. I am not one of them.

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#188 Consumer Comment

So many things wrong in that last one

AUTHOR: Robert - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Tuesday, December 07, 2004

Carlos, you have so many "facts" wrong it's sad. The 3rd brake light became a requirement in 1986, not 1996. That means your little car had it from the factory. You were in violation of NC law. I went to the NC General Statute you wanted. It says the Highway Patrol can do it. I quote: "When on duty, upon reasonable belief that any vehicle is being operated in violation of this Article or of any other law regulating the operation of vehicles to require the driver thereof to stop and exhibit his driver's license and the registration card issued for the vehicle, and submit to an inspection of such vehicle, the registration plates and registration card thereon or to an inspection and test of the equipment of such vehicle." Does that do it for you Carlos? Your light was out. The cop pulled you over because you were violating NC law. As I also said previously, upon showing proof of correcting the equipment violation, the citation would have been dismissed. That is because the violation is now fixed. NO Judge will tell you in NC that you don't need brake lights. As for Halliburton and Cheney, sorry. Your facts reall y aren't. LOGCAP began in 1985, the year before your 3rd brake light became a requirement. The US Army awarded the contact in 1992 to Brown & Root, not Halliburton itself. When that contract was up, it was awarded to Dynacorp. Bill Clinton awarded a seperate contract to Halliburton in 1997 and that is the one they are operating under now. On to the rest of your drivel. No Carlos, shoving a plunger up a man's a*s is NOT profiling. That is called police brutality. The cops involved were fired, charged, convicted and sent to prison. The Haitian immigrant was then awarded $50 million dollars. By the way, he was originally arrested for disorderly conduct, not that that really matters. James Byrd was murdered by 3 white guys. They were in turn charged, convicted and sent to prison with death sentences. Texas has a way of carrying them out. I never said that all blacks I have hired stole from me. Do you see what you are doing Carlos? You like to lump everyone into one group. I said the only ones that did steal from me were black, not all the blacks stole. I said the the problems with the white guys was laziness and hitting the bottle. That does not mean they were all drunk and lazy. TskTskTsk. My wife, Juanita, is rather surprised by your charge of racism against me. It's funny because she has no need for the "brothers" as she puts it, she likes white guys. So did my brother's widow. As for the voting in 2000, what about it? The Dems put out that charges of fraud and every investigation done by everyone showed them to be false. There was never any attempt to s top blacks from voting. The only votes that weren't counted, or at least the attempt was made to NOT count them, were the absentee ballots from the military. Democrats know full well they do not get the military vote and tried to stop them. This year, the city even went so far as to open the polls weeks early, and provide transportation to/from the voting centers. And still, the black leadership cried foul and said they were being hampered. What the hell did they want? Did they want the ballots hand delivered to them and then picked up when they were done? I notice you've held alot of jobs. And in every one of them you are somehow the "victim" of racism. How exactly are you getting all of these jobs if the employers are all racists? Maybe you need to look in the mirror and figure out who the real problem is. In every job you've listed so far, you were unable to do your job because of all the racism from employers and customers. The odds of what you say being true are so astronomical that it defies logic. On to other news. Manuel Noriega is in a Florida Federal Prison serving his 40 year sentence. Take care Carlos. You have real issues in life. I am not one of them.

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#187 Consumer Comment

So many things wrong in that last one

AUTHOR: Robert - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Tuesday, December 07, 2004

Carlos, you have so many "facts" wrong it's sad. The 3rd brake light became a requirement in 1986, not 1996. That means your little car had it from the factory. You were in violation of NC law. I went to the NC General Statute you wanted. It says the Highway Patrol can do it. I quote: "When on duty, upon reasonable belief that any vehicle is being operated in violation of this Article or of any other law regulating the operation of vehicles to require the driver thereof to stop and exhibit his driver's license and the registration card issued for the vehicle, and submit to an inspection of such vehicle, the registration plates and registration card thereon or to an inspection and test of the equipment of such vehicle." Does that do it for you Carlos? Your light was out. The cop pulled you over because you were violating NC law. As I also said previously, upon showing proof of correcting the equipment violation, the citation would have been dismissed. That is because the violation is now fixed. NO Judge will tell you in NC that you don't need brake lights. As for Halliburton and Cheney, sorry. Your facts reall y aren't. LOGCAP began in 1985, the year before your 3rd brake light became a requirement. The US Army awarded the contact in 1992 to Brown & Root, not Halliburton itself. When that contract was up, it was awarded to Dynacorp. Bill Clinton awarded a seperate contract to Halliburton in 1997 and that is the one they are operating under now. On to the rest of your drivel. No Carlos, shoving a plunger up a man's a*s is NOT profiling. That is called police brutality. The cops involved were fired, charged, convicted and sent to prison. The Haitian immigrant was then awarded $50 million dollars. By the way, he was originally arrested for disorderly conduct, not that that really matters. James Byrd was murdered by 3 white guys. They were in turn charged, convicted and sent to prison with death sentences. Texas has a way of carrying them out. I never said that all blacks I have hired stole from me. Do you see what you are doing Carlos? You like to lump everyone into one group. I said the only ones that did steal from me were black, not all the blacks stole. I said the the problems with the white guys was laziness and hitting the bottle. That does not mean they were all drunk and lazy. TskTskTsk. My wife, Juanita, is rather surprised by your charge of racism against me. It's funny because she has no need for the "brothers" as she puts it, she likes white guys. So did my brother's widow. As for the voting in 2000, what about it? The Dems put out that charges of fraud and every investigation done by everyone showed them to be false. There was never any attempt to s top blacks from voting. The only votes that weren't counted, or at least the attempt was made to NOT count them, were the absentee ballots from the military. Democrats know full well they do not get the military vote and tried to stop them. This year, the city even went so far as to open the polls weeks early, and provide transportation to/from the voting centers. And still, the black leadership cried foul and said they were being hampered. What the hell did they want? Did they want the ballots hand delivered to them and then picked up when they were done? I notice you've held alot of jobs. And in every one of them you are somehow the "victim" of racism. How exactly are you getting all of these jobs if the employers are all racists? Maybe you need to look in the mirror and figure out who the real problem is. In every job you've listed so far, you were unable to do your job because of all the racism from employers and customers. The odds of what you say being true are so astronomical that it defies logic. On to other news. Manuel Noriega is in a Florida Federal Prison serving his 40 year sentence. Take care Carlos. You have real issues in life. I am not one of them.

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#186 Consumer Comment

Quiet now Huh !???!

AUTHOR: Carlos - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Monday, December 06, 2004

In my previous post. I incorectly put Dec.1995 as the date Halliburton went to work in Somalia. It was actually Dec. 1992.

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#185 Consumer Comment

Quiet now Huh !???!

AUTHOR: Carlos - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Monday, December 06, 2004

In my previous post. I incorectly put Dec.1995 as the date Halliburton went to work in Somalia. It was actually Dec. 1992.

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#184 Consumer Comment

Kelly...Are you reading before you type?

AUTHOR: Carlos - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Monday, December 06, 2004

I have stated in every post here that I love ALL people. I singled out the groups that have posted here AND my comments are directed to the people that are making racist comments and display racist attitudes towards the Mexican and other Latinos. Have you read through this entire post? Do you see where people are calling them wetbacks and saying shoot them on sight? Look back through this. Again my comments are not for you and the other fair minded, decent white people that don't gripe and complain about other people trying to better themselves. My comments are for people like Robert from North Carolina and Florida. What he does is one of two things:
1) He reads only half the post then starts typing. -OR-
2) He is using my comments as an opportunity to express his hate.

Robert.......Look this up
According to Federal law, Vehicles weren't required to have third brake lights until 1996. The vehicle I was driving at the time was a 1994 Hyundai Elantra. Now look up North Carolina General Statute 20. There is no provision there that would have certified a lawful stop. That's why the case was thrown out by Judge Shirley Fulton. Would you like for me to try and find the ticket I got so you can get the docket number? I live real life Robert, I don't have to make things up... But apparently you do. Let me give you the facts. In 1992 as Secretary of Defense, d**k Cheney had Halliburton (KBR) awarded the LOGCAP contract. In December 1995 the company went to work to make way for the US troops that were about to be deployed into Somalia. Daddy Bush was still President. Because of LOGCAP, Bill Clinton was contractually obligated to use Halliburton for the contracted time. By the time they were outbid in 1997 by Dynacorp the US Army was so dependent on Halliburton that they negotiated to have Halliburton stay as their servicer. In 1995 d**k Cheney was appointed CEO, Chairman, and President of the company. The rest we know. You need to stop making things up
As for profiling ...were the police right when they shoved a plunger up a man's a*s? The truth has finally come out of you. All blacks try to steal from you. What if I tell you that the majority of all pedophiles are White. To me saying that is unfair to the law abiding whites and I will not try to stand by it truth or not. Again my comments are for those who look down on good hardworking people who want to make life better overall.

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#183 Consumer Comment

To Carlos: your comments are indeed racist

AUTHOR: Kelly - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Sunday, December 05, 2004

Carlos...unfortunately your comments are indeed racist, just by saying them. You did not include EVERY race in America, therefore are singleing out groups. Yes, I happen to be white. Am I part of the group that opresses others? HELL NO. First of all, my parents are both first generation Americans. My family on both sides was here LONG after slavery or Columbus. I even refuse to celebrate Columbus Day as I refuse to honor a man who does not deserve it. I sure as all hell celebrate Martin Luther King Day, nobody can argue that he doesn't deserve recognition.

As for asking an African American about how they feel about the items you mentioned....let me ask my husband, the father of my baby....yeah, he's black. Oh yeah, guess what else....I have an associate's degree in African American studies, which I use almost everday in conjuction with my early education degree since I have chosen to work in a low socioeconomic school district. Have I ever walked a day in the shoes of a black man, no....never will be able to do that. I understand that yes, there are a lot of African AMerican men who do struggle. How about this though....have you ever walked a day in the shoes of a disabled woman? THat would be my "label." My "kind" have been crapped on too. I have risen above it though, and I do not lump all non disabled individuals into a group, and I resent that you would lump me, being white, into a group you call rapists, heathens, theives, etc. You have no right to judge me and place me into that category because of the color of my skin, or the color of my ancestor's skin (who as mentioned previously were severely discriminated against being Irish).

I understand that your intentions may have been innocent in your statements, but they were indeed offensive. I take offense to you calling me those names you called white people, just as you would take offense in me lumping you into African American stereotypes. Just because I may say something like "White people are trash" doesn't mean it is okay for me to say "African Americans are trash too." Two wrongs don't make a right.

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#182 Consumer Comment

Robert, Are you reading my stance or just merrily responding defensively because you are white?

AUTHOR: Carlos - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Sunday, December 05, 2004

First and foremost I want to thank Tim and Tamika for reading what I have writtten and responding in a civil manner. Tim, I respect your opinion and would support a new plan such as the one you described.
Poor Robert! First and foremost "Whitey" as you call the Caucasian race. Does not keep me down. There have been individuals of the White race that have tried but I will not let anyone hold me back. There are black people that scream that and to them I say..."Stand up and do something!" I have never asked you nor anyone for a handout. My Mom worked two jobs rather then get on welfare. To date no one in my family has EVER used welfare...........Wait!.....Okay my Grandma did get some "Reagan cheese" But she worked more than 50 years to retire to a very small Social Security check.
Have you been living under a shell Robert. You live in Florida right? What the heck happened down there in November 2000? All the illegal disqualifying of votes and the cover up that ensued. What about the many Blacks that were threatened as they approached the polls? Oh yeah what about the precinct that closed early because about a hundred white Republicans started making trouble? I respect the fact that you handle business the way you do. There are people out here that would call you stupid but I would say you had integrity for hiring the way you do. Before I forget... at the end of the period that had been agreed upon, indentured servants earned there freedom. They choose to sell themselves. But don't forget, Blacks in Africa sold Blacks to slavetraders in some instances. You are not taking me in the context that I am delivering my views. So let me break it down real simple:
The consensus opinion of White America is that slavery is over and there is very little racism left in America. To this I ask; Why was Mr. Byrd dragged behind a car to his death in Texas? Why are Black men still being profiled when we drive down the higway actually doing the speed limit? Why do I get dirty looks and sometimes comments when I take a white female client to lunch? Why do I catch hell trying to get a taxi cab and even when I give them a twenty dollar tip to wait for me for 10 minutes, they take off? Why Robert? I WANT to come to common agreement with just one white person such as yourself that refuses to acknowledge the general racist views and opinions that "most of white America" hold toward Blacks. Remember before when you said that you aren't accountable for slavery or early racism on Blacks? Then I can't be held accountable for the stupid Black that drove 100 mph through the mall lot and hit 12 people after robbing the bank. Because I pay taxes, I don't litter, I vote, I train my daughters to obey the law, I don't accept kickbacks or payoffs and I don't cry , "Da White man is keepin' me down!"
In closing let me tell you one last story. During the Icestorms in 2000 here in Charlotte, I was working as a customer service rep for AAA. An elderly white woman was stuck in her car for two and a half hours while the idiot tow drivers fought to help more cash paying nonmembers. At the end of my shift this old lady was still stuck. After speaking with my supervisor I took my best friends SUV and went to help this old lady get home. I called the dispatch when I arrived and advised them to phone the old lady and let her know that help had arrived. Do you know what she did? Even though I had a AAA badge and the supervisor was telling her who I was, she hung up and called the police. The responding officer was ready to draw down on me, had not the 911 dispatch officer radio to him that I was with AAA and that the old lady knew that but had still called in. He then proceeded to ID me, then question whether or not I was carrying a weapon. He then made me leave and DID NOT help the old woman. She remained stuck until a non AAA driver came and got her unstuck for 40.00 bucks. To date, no one has ever apologized and I have the displeasure of rembembering that officer unstrap his holster on me everytime I see a policeman up close. Do I blame you? Only if you ignore that there IS a problem.

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#181 Consumer Comment

Huh?? reparations...

AUTHOR: Robert - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Sunday, December 05, 2004

The ONLY group of people we as a Country have paid reparations to were the Americans of JAPANESE descent held in internment camps during WW2. I did not vote for it, and would have voted against it. Our government paid NOTHING to Germans or Germany, the Jews who survived the Holocaust nor the families of those who didn't, nor the Japanese Nationals who were held during the war. The Marshall Plan did rebuild Germany, as it did ALL of Europe which was demolished from 5 1/2 years of war. This was seen at the time a better idea than the plan at the end of WW1. That was when the winners made Germany pay for the entire cost of the Great War even though they did not start the d**n thing. It was that arrangement that drove the Germans to desperation and eventually fell in love with that nutcase Hitler. I am not planning on giving everyone a lesson in history, but Germany merely helped its ally, Austria. No Carlos, I was not there when all these things happened to you or anyone else. THAT IS THE POINT. Since I was not part of it, do not expect me to willingly take the blame for it. As for white women running in fear of you, so be it. I am reminded of a story the great Jesse Jackson told once. He and his wife were walking down a DC street at night when he heard footsteps coming up behind them. It was dark and the lights weren't working. HIS wife held on to her purse to the point she was trying to hide it within her arms. He was getting tense knowing they may soon be mugged or worse. Just as the steps were on them they saw 3 white guys pass by without a word being said. His wife sighed in relief just as HE did. Get it Carlos? 25% of your bretheren are incarcerated. Everyone gets it except you. I am trying to be kind but it's just not working. Out of ALL the people I have hired to work for me, dozens of them, the only ones who EVER stole from me were black. Is that clear enough for you? They were also the ones screaming discrimination as they were escorted off by the police. Get it? I gave them the chance, and THEY bit the hand that fed them. he only white guys I've ever had problems with were just lazy or liked the bottle too much. At least they didn't steal from me. In NC, the cops will pull ANYONE over for safety violations and yes, having the 3rd brake light out is a violation. The citation would have been a NON moving violation and as such no points. The Asst DA would merely want to see verification that the light was now working and you'd be free to leave, just like everyone else. No NC Judge would have told you it was okay to have the light out. Stop making up stuff. And profiling? It works every time it's tried. Even the Police Chief in the movie Casablanca had it right. "Round up the usual suspects". Every criminal fits a "profile". If you want a person who will be likely to hijack an airplane, it will NOT be the old woman in a wheelchair or the infant son of a young girl. If you want to know who's doing drive-bye shootings, looking for a middle-aged man driving a Benz won't do it either. Get it Carlos? It works just like that. The Halliburton mess was actually set up by the Clinton Administration, not Bush. Clinton gave Halliburton the No-Bid contracts because they were the only company that could handle the work. Cheney didn't even work for them at that point. You really need to get over it. I have done nothing to you, but if it ever does come down to the people of this country getting to decide if reparations are justified, remember this. Whites were here as slaves first so you may have to step to the back of the line as the Scots and Irish line up in front. I will be voting AGAINST it no matter who gets the money.

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#180 Consumer Comment

speaking of Germany. WE paid reparations until the late 90's.

AUTHOR: Tamika - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Sunday, December 05, 2004

reparations for???? going to war against them? because jews there needed to get on their feet? because we destroyed towns etc during the war? yeah we pay reparations too. so why not blacks? btw germany is not the only country we have done this for. i just figured thats what the U.S. does 'be an ATM for the world'.

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#179 Consumer Comment

Good point Tim - It's always the same old song. "Whitey is keeping me down".

AUTHOR: Robert - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Sunday, December 05, 2004

Read some of Carlos' missives. He always finds RACISM in everything. He's just like Aeropostale. If the sky turns cloudy, it's "because I'm black". "I was arrested because I'm black, not because I ran 100 mph through the shopping mall and ran 12 people over after robbing a bank".

It's always the same old song. "Whitey is keeping me down". I am both the same Robert from NC and FL. It depends on where I am at the time. You made some valid points. One issue I have is the theory of culpability. I am not responsible for anything I haven't done. There was slavery here. I had nothing to do with it on either side of the issue and am therefore, not responsible in any way for anything that it did. Scots and Irish were originally brought here as slaves. They were caled "indentured servants", but the song remains the same. My family migrated here from Scotland to Canada. They did it legally with all the paperwork in order. From there, they headed south into Maine.

Again, with all of the paperwork done. People from all over the world do this every day with very little effort.

It appears the only group of people who just don't seem to get with the program are the Mexicans. Their Government provides them with everything they need and helps them fill out the forms. There really is NO FEE for any of it. That means it's free. No charge. And yet, they risk life and limb to cross under the fences instead of just going through the gates. I know there is a need for the work they do. I do not dispute that.

I also do not want my food to skyrocket in price, which it will do if wage laws are applied to the work they do. In case you haven't figured this out, I believe minimum wage should be ZERO.

That's right, if I can get someone to work for nothing, I should be able to. These are called volunteers. If someone is willing and able to negotiate their wages to perform the work the employer needs done and both sides are happy, why rock the boat?

The JOBS belong to the employer, not the worker. I haven't worked for minimum wage since I was 16, and that was for less than 6 months. Union workers are stuck in the same boat as the illegals in this manner. If you are the best worker in your field and you belong to a Union, you will make nothing more than the worst worker in your field for the same job. Just like Public School Teachers. Once they get "tenure", they can be more useless than ever and never have to worry about their paychecks. Private Schools are a different story. If you don't produce, you are fired. Strange how I always found the new teachers to be the more involved and interesting when I went to public school. We really do not need to change our immigration laws to make the illegals happy. We need to enforce them. We need fewer laws in this country as a whole. Twenty plus thousand gun laws, when we really only need a few. If you commit a crime with a gun, you go to jail. I guess we really need just the one. If you are in this country without proper documentation, deport immediately.

I am for punishing the employers too in this issue. If the laws were enforced though, they wouldn't be getting away with it. Look at California. The CITIZENS voted to stop providing tax payer supported services to illegals. The bedwetter Judges out there decided the people didn't know what they were doing and nullified the vote. I think it was Prop187.

They still pour across the border and for no other reason than to get "on the welfare". If they want to work, fine. Let them come in legally and pay taxes, etc. I find it interesting that the legal immigrants voted wholeheartedly for Prop187. The vote was a landslide. In every issue there is, the "law abiding" will always side with the legal way of doing things. The criminals will do the opposite.

Getting back to culpability, I don't hire anyone who doesn't provide what the laws say they must. My guys all have valid drivers licenses, SSN, and proof of either US citizenship or the "green card". You see, I do my part by obeying the law. Maybe if the employers who don't do it legally were somehow made less profitable, they would also do it correctly. I don't have all the answers, but I do know that making the borders secure cannot be a bad thing.

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#178 Consumer Comment

Poor Robert in Florida

AUTHOR: Carlos - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Sunday, December 05, 2004

Part of the problem with an open dialog is that sometimes people don't READ or LISTEN before they comment. In my post I say that all races of people have their differences and faults. Are we blaming Bush for the prisoner abuse scandal which in my opinion he knew nothing about till it was too late? Are we blaming him when his two young and sometimes irresponsible daughters get pulled for drunk driving? No They are adults who know better. Do we blame him for Cheney's involvement with the Haliburton scandal? He had to know about that one! I didn't vote for Bush because of some of his policies. But I respect him for being steadfast and for NOT being as stupid as some of my ignorant fellow democrat believe him to be. Now let's talk Africa. The only reason we did not fully invade Somalia or Rwanda is because.... WHERE IS THE PROFIT FOR US? Don't you get it? The WE only invade countries that have natural resources or offer strategic military encampments for US. And you say we didn't want to look evil. We dragged a man that was on our payroll in Panama out of a church! Tell me do you know where Noriega is right now???? I do! Know why Qadhafi's is so willing to do what we want now? Because he has all this brand new Caterpilliar construction equipment, Dell computers, and other US products that are shipped right under ya d**n noses to him directly from US! You say tell you again how blacks are misunderstood? No I won't but I will tell you that we are trying to operate in the world system of manipulation and greed that Whites have dominated since the Declaration of Independence. See I can acknowledge that we have bad apples and we do wrong, but you can't comprehend the wrong cause you never felt the after effects. when I asked my Grandpa years ago why I never met his brother he said " Because he had to leave here cause he supposedly winked at a white gal" Or you weren't there when I got called a n****r in second grade. Or when Wachovia told me they hired a candidate more qualified than me...a high school dropout with NO experience who is white when I have a degree and have been in the business for a few years and came highly recommended. You weren't there when I was driving through Elizabeth City NC in 1996 and saw the d**n cross burning. You weren't there LAST month when I pulled into the parking space at Microsoft here in Charlotte NC. Got out dressed my Armani navy blue pinstripe suit, spit polished Florsheim's and briefcase in hand the white lady next to my clutched her purse and scurried in the building. How shocked she was when I walked in her bosses office for him to sign his loan documents and he invited me over to watch the game that night! What about when I was driving home from work late one night and was pulling into my community when a state trooper pulled me because MY AUXILLARY BRAKE LIGHT WAS OUT!" Then he proceeded to search the car and frisk me! Why? Probable cause? No! Profiling. When I went to court the judge threw it out cause it wasn't the main brake lights and my car had just passed inspection! This isn't one man showing off, this is a nationwide epidemic. Again I love white people, I have white friends who I would do almost anything for because they are honest decent people that don't scream "Get Over It" Do you say that crap to the Jews? No! You demand that they get reparations. What about the Blacks that were lynched and raped in Wilmington NC in the early 1900's. Their crime:Establishing profitable businesses!
You demanded that the Germans apologize to the Jewish community and pay the, why isn't the same afforded black people?

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#177 Consumer Comment

You're all making good points; My immigration proposal

AUTHOR: Tim - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Sunday, December 05, 2004

Everybody who has posted rebuttals to Carlos' comments have very valid points.

Robert from NC, I only agree with you about 30% of the time, but I always have to admit that your points are delivered in a civil and very well reasoned manner.

Robert from FLA, you raise some good points too. The increasingly exposed OFF scandal, as well as the viability of the UN as a whole, leads even a hardcore anti-unilateral-actionist such as myself to rethink my position.

However, in this instance, I think your points are merely defensive and largely misplaced.

Carlos' point was not that any one race is "better" than any other when it comes to historical practices. Rather, his point was that we are ALL culpable in some way for historical and current attrocities. If I am correct, the point-behind-the-point is that it is useless to badmouth anybody's culture, because, in the big picture, none of us are without blame for the world's problems.

Consider the issue at hand in this report. The illegal immigrants are violating our laws and, arguably, taking our jobs. However, it takes two to tango, and there would be no reason for these immigrants to come here in the first place if American employers didn't prefer them over American employees. Illegal immigrants have virtually no rights and no legal protections. If they start to gripe about how they're being treated, or that their being paid well below minimum wage, the employer can just call up immigration aqnd say "I think I have accidentally employed and illegal alien." Bam, problem solved.

There is culpability on both sides. To what degree each individual side bears the blame is an arguable point. But the position that holds the immigrants solely to blame for this problem not only ignores a large, if not THE large part of the issue, but will never succeed in remedying the situation. So long as there are people south of the border who think that $40 for a twelve hour work day is good pay, and so long as there is a market for their work, they will come north.
So long as there are American employers who are willing to skirt the labor and immigration laws, those immigrants will fill the jobs that Americans won't take.

My idea? Reinstate the Bracero program wherein foreign laborers can come in on a formal basis, but without the administrative difficulties of the immigration process (which is not NEARLY as easy as some of you have suggested and, as I've said before, illegal immigration is currently a better option for workers and employers). This would allow the current immigration set-up to align with the realities of our labor market, while also allowing us to monitor both who is coming into the country and how they are being treated when they get here.

In practice, this first entails strengthening border security and drasticaly increasing penalties for those who facilitate illegal entry (coyotes). Next is a joint venture between Mexican and American authorities whereby the Mexican authorities sign up nationals for potential work in the U.S.; American employers "order" a certain amount of laborers depending on their needs; and American authorities decide which Mexicans will be allowed in to do the work.

The entry process under this plan is formal, enabling us to keep tabs on workers and give them "entry counseling" that informs them of their rights and enforcement measures, as well as their responsibilities and corresponding enforcement measures. When the work is done, the laborer who is already here will be given priority to stay here and take other local work; new laborers will be brought in only as needed. Under the current system of legal immigration, at least in the agricultural sector, a laborer must leave when the work is done, which results in a high "turnover" rate, meaning that although there are a limited number of legal immigrants in the country at one time, the actual immigrants themselves are frequently different people. The problem with this situation is obvious: increased work for the immigration system, and increased overall numbers of foreign workers entering our country (albeit legally).

My proposal mirrors what we did in the mid 1900s. That system was changed because the Mexican government was receiving too many complaints about the treatment its workers were receiving at the hands of unscrupulous labor contractors. The laws protecting these workers today, however, are much more effective than those in place back then, which suggests that the Bracero program would be a much better option for the Mexican worker today than it was in 1960.

The beauty of this system is that it not only allows for workers to come in via a formal, legal program, but also that it would curtail the influx of immigrant workers. By recognizing the economic reality of the demand for foreign workers, this system leaves no question as to whether the potential immigrant will find work. If he comes in under the program, he will have work. If he doesn't, he will not, because the jobs will be filled by the people who did come in under the program. If word gets around that illegal immigrants are unable to find work up here, the enticement for them to come in the first place is gone, and they probably won't bother. Couple that with increased border enforcement, and it is plain to see that we have the ability to regulate immigration effectively.

The bottom line is that there is a demand for immigrant workers, which is easily filled as a result of the poor Mexican economy. If we maintain the current protocol, ilegal immigration will persist unabated and foreign workers will migrate illegally so long as there is the potential for work. If we choose simply to "keep them out," our economy suffers because a vital portion of the labor pool will be eradicated. If, as I suggest, we set our emotions aside and recognize the demand for such laborers, and recognize that there is a reason why immigrants currently prefer to come here illegally, we can easily solve the problem.

This is an issue of supply and demand. Formalize the demand, and you can formalize the supply.

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#176 Consumer Comment

This is too easy

AUTHOR: Robert - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Saturday, December 04, 2004

I will ignore everything you just blathered about Carlos except for the $$ found in Iraq. I guess you don't read much, listen to the radio, or watch television. Here was this horrid program run by the UN under the brilliant leadership of Kofi Anan called "Oil for Food". This was supposed to allow Iraq to purchase food/meds for it's people in exchange for oil exports. This was during the sanctions. I know you know who Kofi Anan is. He's the Secretary General of the UN. He's also from Rwanda. You know, where the slaughter of hundreds of thousands of people is still going on. You know, one tribe(Tutsi) against another tribe(Hutu). A place where rape is one weapon, machetes another. A place where AIDS is so widespread, the government doesn't even attempt to stop it. A place where men rape infant girls just so they can have a virgin. You know, Kofi Anan, whose family is embroiled in the OfF scandal for taking bribes from Hussein to the tune of tens of millions of dollars, US dollars. That's right Carlos, our money. It was supposed to be used to buy food and medicine but instead went to purchase weapons and bribe UN officials. And who is investigating this? Not Kofi Anan. It's the US. The evil white guys. Yep. You're right Carlos. The inspectors found US currency over there. They found even more after the fall of Hussein's regime. And Kofi Anan? He's still the great leader one expects from a deranged society like Rwanda. He's dodging the issue and pretending he didn't notice how his son went from being a pauper to being a multimillionaire in just a few years with a job that paid next to nothing. Tell us all again how terrible the white man is and how misunderstood the blacks are. Are whites perfect? Nope. But, neither are blacks. And apparently, the blacks IN Africa cannot even get along with their own kind and don't care since the rule of law doesn't exist there. Aren't you glad you live here now? One last thing Carlos. We, the evil white guys did go to Africa to try and help them. Remember Somalia? I do. What was it? Oh yeah. Mobs of blacks murdering the US Rangers and dragging them through the streets. Our response? Pull out instead of destroying the vermin that did it just so WE wouldn't look mean and evil to...you guessed it...Kofi Anan and the rest of the UN. And the food and medicines we were there trying to deliver? The warlords hoarded it in warehouses and let it rot. It wasn't just the Army there by the way. The Marines were there too. They were left out of the fight. Why? Because the son of one of the warlords(Aidid) was an active duty Marine LCpl and over there with his unit. And we, the evil white guys, didn't want to have to make it look like we were making the guy's son fight him. We were attempting to try and look good. Why bother? Some people never see the good through the bad, do they Carlos?

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#175 Consumer Comment

Carlos needs a hug ...Whites do, in fact, occupy more spaces on the welfare rolls than minorities.

AUTHOR: Robert - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Saturday, December 04, 2004

Come on everyone, join in, group hug for Carlos.
(((((((((((((((((CARLOS)))))))))))))))).
Take care Carlos. For the record, I may be a heathen, but I have never raped, stole, murdered, or lied. I also have never owned slaves. This may surprise you, but most people just want to be left alone to live their lives without bothering anyone else. Whites do, in fact, occupy more spaces on the welfare rolls than minorities. Noone has ever denied that. But with 80% of the population, we are not 80% of the lists. At 12% of the population, blacks take up more than any group as a percentage of their numbers than any other, followed by hispanics, then whites, then asians. As for the expense of becoming a legal immigrant, what? The cost of filling out a form that the Mexican Gov't will help you fill out for FREE, because they have no problems with, and even encourage their people to head north? There is no money involved in the entire process. That is why it's incomprehensible why they don't do it the right way. My ancestors came here as slaves. I have no intention of ever voting to give anyone "reparations" for it. Am I black? Nope. White. The dirty secret in the US is whites were the first slaves here. They came from Ireland and Scotland. John Paul(Jones) was a runaway slave. Blacks became the preferred choice due to their inability to "blend in". Guess who owned ALL of the slave ships, and in essence, ran the entire trade? Whites? Nope. The Spanish. They did it all. Do I feel sorry for the people who were here already when we showed up? Nope. That was then this is now. They got a raw deal, there's no denying that. I do not though, feel any need to reward anyone for something they didn't do any more than someone should be punished for something they had nothing to do with. It's because of this reasoning that we are allied with the Germans and Japanese. Why we care about the French will remain a mystery. I guess they're like the Crazy Uncle every family has...you know he's basically harmless, but you still keep an eye on him. I hope you do well with all you try to achieve in SC. With any luck, maybe John Edwards will go back after his term in the Senate is over. God knows we don't want him in NC.

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#174 Consumer Comment

Give Me A Break! MORE!!!!!

AUTHOR: Carlos - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Saturday, December 04, 2004

To piggyback on to what I just said and further respond to your comments, Kelly please read on.
In any relationship where someone has been wronged, in order for healing to begin and to have that relationship built into a healthy one, the parties involved have to find understanding. In all the cases that I listed, healing has NEVER been initiated by the oppressor.
How are we to move forward when White society AS A WHOLE, will not admit that the transgressions of their ancestors AND of some of their fold today were and are ignorant and their actions irresponsible? Who have the Indians as a whole ever oppressed? The Latinos? African Americans?
Everyone in history that ever accepted white society in their lands ended up getting screwed. It is still happening today. We make up reasons to invade countries and not just eradicate the evil that we once supported, we then decide to maintain a presence their under the guise of democracy, when profit is the real motivating factor. We ignore atrrocities in Africa where millions die monthly but we rush to "save" the Iraqi people from a ruthless dictator who we supported. Remember the several million dollars found in Iraq a year and a half ago? THOSE WERE NEW HUNDRED DOLLAR BILLS!!! WE SUPPORTED THE HUSEIN REGIME UNTIL THE END FINANCIALLY! WAKE UP PEOPLE. It saddens me the we will probably never come to common ground when it comes to respect and appreciation for our fellow man. Why? Because the simple steps of saying, look we are sorry for the past and we are ready to soothe the wounds and work together for our common survival for the future is not on the agenda right now. Kelly if you have any African American friends sit one or two of them down and ask them to tell you from the bottom of their hearts how they feel about what I have said. tell them to be brutally honest. See what they say. Again, I love ALL people and would like to see us all come together and work together but it takes more than initiative from one side. Love to you Kelly!

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#173 Consumer Comment

Give Me A Break!

AUTHOR: Carlos - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Saturday, December 04, 2004

Kelly, What I did was point out the wrongs of each culture INCLUDING mine. I love all people whether they hate me or like me. When we can focus on our own people and problems and get people to understand that we must first deal with ourselves before we ca so called "fix" others problems. The comments about each ethnic group is true. Fact: Columbus and his croonies were a bunch of murdering and raping lunatics. But I as an American am supposed to honor him on Columbus day, which I do.Fact: Whites killed the Indians here and forced them to live in cramped quarters. Many of the treaties that were signed were NEVER honored. Fact: There are more whites on welfare than Blacks but we are ALWAYS demonized when some of us use it. Fact: Crack cocaine was planted in Black neighborhoods to destroy us....A US federal document backs that up! We still have racial profiling. Kelly untill you have walked a day in the shoes of a Black man, you can't possibly have a clue of the battles we suffer through. Now add being Latino and you gets a tougher road to travel.

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#172 Consumer Comment

What? Are you so blind you cannot see you are part of the problem you are talking about?

AUTHOR: Kelly - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Thursday, December 02, 2004

Carlos...I don't get you. You seem very hypocrytical. You say, "the seeds of hate that we are TAUGHT by each other must not continue to be harvested. We are here together yet we have differences. Show respect to your fellow man and you should be rewarded in kind!" Yet, in the same post you say, "Whites or Anglos- You bunch or murdering, raping, stealing, lying heathens!"

Seems to me you are spouting off hate yourself! Are you so blind you cannot see you are part of the problem you are talking about? How can you say that about white people in one sentence, then say hate must end in another? Or is it that you think everyone needs to stop hating everyone EXCEPT whites? I just don't get it. Please explain your misguided mentality.

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#171 Consumer Comment

Give Me A Break! ..Whites or Anglos- You bunch or murdering, raping, stealing, lying heathens! You need to shut the hell up before everyone else realizes that YOU are the real problem

AUTHOR: Carlos - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Wednesday, December 01, 2004

Some of you are Pathetic!

1. Native Americans- You are here defending a country that STILL doesn't respect you! AND it is now being proved that you ACTUALLY WEREN'T the first here.

2.LEGAL Latinos- Some of you sit here downing illegals??? That sounds like freed blacks downing the black slaves before emancipation. All you brethren want is a better way of live. Maybe they can't afford to go through the legal process and have nowhere else to turn.

3. Whites or Anglos- You bunch or murdering, raping, stealing, lying heathens! You need to shut the hell up before everyone else realizes that YOU are the real problem and eliminate your asses. Think above the brutality you showed Indians, when you got here. Think of the abombinable things you did to blacks through the years. The crack you planted in our neighborhoods. The Hoover report proves hit! The lies you've told. I wish I had of been alive to advise Nat Turner and the this country would have been a whole lot different.

4. Blacks- I wish one black person would say one more thing about latinos that take a job that we thumb our noses at. How dare you be racist!

There are some great people in all the above mentioned groups that are loved and appreciated for their hard work and comittment to building our great nation. However the seeds of hate that we are TAUGHT by each other must not continue to be harvested. We are here together yet we have differences. Show respect to your fellow man and you should be rewarded in kind!

Peace and Blessings to All...... Even to Stain!

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#170 Consumer Comment

Bleeding heart liberals will never understand....

AUTHOR: Douglas - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Monday, November 08, 2004

Only the web master who knows my identification knows that I have a Hispanic last name. I'm a very brown skinned person so don't think that I'm of the white race KKK variety.

Don't you realize that you're losing your country to Mexico? Do some research. The Mexican government is encouraging it's citizens to re-populate lands "stolen" from Mexico. Students are taught that "they have a right to be here, because it's still Mexican land." It may take another 30 or 40 years, but once the population of Mexicans in the United States outnumber all other races, you will then see what racism really is! All you white people will be the minority. Mexicans will be voting themselves all the special favors that a stupid government can grant them. Our present society, as we know it now, will be passe'. I won't have a problem because I fit right in. But why am I even telling you about this? Because I'm an American who is disgusted at the colonizing of the United States by people who have more loyalty to the country of Mexico. I love this country and have no desire to live like third world Mexicans! I keep telling the Mexicans that come here and complain about Americans if they think Mexico is so great, what are they doing here? The typical answer that I've heard for years now is, "This is our country (Mexico). The Americans stole it from us." I could repeat all the nasty Spanish names that Mexicans have for Americans, but it wouldn't make any difference to the bleeding heart liberal minds. How does it go?....only white people can be racist. Who told you that lie? Get ready for the big change in society. Mexican Spanish will be the offical language in the United States in the future. You can count on it. Also, you've all brought it upon yourselves by continually voting in politicians who do absolutely nothing about illegal immigration. Such a sad state of affairs........

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#169 Consumer Comment

Harvesting the immigration laws

AUTHOR: Tim - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Monday, November 08, 2004

I don't want to get back into the debate here, because I was involved in the past, said how I felt, and recognized that nobodys' minds will change. Suffice it to say that there are many valid arguments on both sides of this story, and several people have presented their arguments (even the ones that I personally disagree with) in a very well-reasoned, thoughtful manner. Others have not, and have only deprived their otherwise valid arguments of any credence.

I have been working on a very involved academic article dealing with the laws surrounding migrant work, and would like to contribute some of my findings to this discussion.

First, the agricultural labor market is far different than the rest of the labor market. White American citizens, as a result of the pragmatics of agricultural harvesting, are generally better off taking low paying service jobs or simply collecting unemployment than working in the fields. Agricultural employers are required to pay minimum wage (not that they always do), but agricultural employees are exempt from the overtime provision of the Fair Labor Standards Act. Couple this with the fact that the average agricultural work day is 10-15 hours. The result is that it is very hard for agricultural employers, even if they want to, to find American workers willing to do their work. There are a host of other factors that serve to keep white people out of the fields, such as the seasonal and transient nature of agricultural labor.

Regardless of what some may wish to argue, there IS a labor void that needs to be filled, and unless our economy takes a HUGE dive, it will not be filled with white American citizens.

Many people state that these migrants should come here legally. This point is not only valid, but correct. The problem is that our current law actually makes it MORE desirable for an immigrant to come here illegaly and places substantial roadblocks to legal entry. Let me explain...

Legal immigrants who will work in the agricultural sector come in under the H-2A temporary work visa. Their entry is facilitated when a farm owner or labor contractor 1) proves to the INS that he has work available, and 2) makes a showing that he has unsuccessfully attempted to hire American citizens for his work. Merely placing an ad in the paper will usually be found to be an insufficient attempt to find citizen workers. As such, the farm owner usually must engage the services of a third party. If the owner of a "family farm" utilizes outside parties to find labor, he risks losing his "family farm" status and the rights and exemptions that go along with it. So then, to satisfy the criteria necessary to obtain legal immigrant workers, some farmers must subject themselves to a host of liabilities previously not incurred. For these farmers, the better route is to hire illegal workers via shady labor contractors.

Also, immigrants admitted under the H-2A program are exempt from the Agricultural Worker Protection Act, but illegal immigrants are not. A close look at the immigration law protections and the AWPA protections show that the AWPA protects the worker far better. For example, an H-2A worker must leave the country within ten days of the completion of work; is not permitted to leave the custody of his employer; and may not work for anyone other than the employer who secured his entry. If the H-2A worker ends up with an abusive employer, or an employer who violates the terms of employment (i.e. doesn't pay agreed wages), he has two choices: he can either continue to work for the abusive employer, or he can immediately leave the country. As such, the H-2A worker is generally powerless to enforce the limited rights that he has. Once he is out of the country, he cannot take his employer to court for back wages or any other issue that deserves a remedy.

The illegal worker, on the other hand, is permitted to stay in the country until any legal claims he has asserted against an employer are resolved.

These are but a few examples of why it is more desirable for a Mexican laborer to enter our country illegally. The obvious resolution to this problem is to grant legal immigrants the protections currently afforded their illegal counterparts, and to ease the entry process on the part of the farm owners. Efforts to do so have met stiff resistance from farm owner advocacy groups. What does this tell us? Well, when you add to the mix the fact that H-2A workers are covered by a minimum wage regulation that often exceeds the federally mandated minimum wage, and that procurement of illegal workers is, as a practical matter, much easier than getting legal workers, I think the answer is obvious. Any thoughts?

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#168 Consumer Comment

Please remember that we are a decent society!

AUTHOR: Vira - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Monday, October 25, 2004

I have spent too much time reading through these horrific comments. The racial epithets smell like the 1950's.

The original synopsis was posted to help enlighten the public. It was not posted to incite racial hatred, or invite inhumane comments. Any maltreatment of any group is demoralizing to the fabric of any decent society.

Reading through so many racist, xenophobic comments held me in amazement! The experience of reading through such hateful rhetoric was surreal!

No decent society should ever single out a group of people and use them as scapegoats. To deny any group of people basic human rights is to express that they are less than human. Isn't that what any society does before committing all out genocide?

Human rights should be afforded to every breathing being. I may not in any way agree with such hateful, racist, xenophobic, incorrect, and inhumane comments too many of you have made. But, I will always insist that the basic of human rights be equally applied even among people who come across as being affiliated with a clan mentality.


We are a decent society! We are Americans and should hold ourselves to higher standards! We must always try to alleviate suffering and oppression; not uphold it!

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#167 Consumer Comment

Immigrant workers being hired under the table for over 3 decades rotten people here, in America, that will exploit the services of an illegal immigrant

AUTHOR: C - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Monday, October 25, 2004

My family, far from MILLIONAIRES, have hired and treated 'illegals' very well, for over 3 decades. There are rotten people here, in America, that will exploit the services of an illegal immigrant.

As an example of how OUR family has 'operated':

Grandpa always took the workers in the property they worked at, and fed them and let them use the 'facilities', gave them water and sometimes a beer or soda. We are from the midwest and south, so manners are a major part of our humanity.

When I moved, May of 2004, we had to unload a 24' foot UHaul, and had no one to help. It was hot out, and we have a 'corner' in Chandler, AZ where many immigrants wait for work. I don't despise them, by any means. I know they just want a decent life. So, with cash in hand, I found 3 able men, one that spoke English enough to communicate, and called up a friend locally that spoke fluent Spanish. Had them converse, advised the worker's what we needed help with, that we were willing to pay them $10.00 an hour and supply them with water, food and shelter for the duration of their employee.

I immediately took them across the street, to Jack In The Box, spent $20 to feed them full for breakfast/lunch, took them to Water and Ice, bought brand new gallon jugs and filled them with water, drove them to the apartment and instructed them on unloading it, and taking all the contents to the 2nd floor apartment.

I stopped them, about every hour, and MADE them sit in the A/c, drink their water and rest. Being a former UNION WORKER, and having a tested and true work ethic, I would not have done any less. My husband, legally immigrated from the U.K., was impressed with the workers. He and I ALSO unloaded the UHAUL.

After 4.5 hours of work, with only the promise of 3 hours work and $30.00, I stopped the workers and advised that I was impressed with their work, that it was taking longer than anticipated, but they were working their selves hard, so I offered to pay them each $75.00, get them directly home so they did not have to walk, and they were fine with it.

I paid them for 6 hours of work, at MORE than the $10.00 per hour, feed them, supplied water and facilities (bathroom) and shelter for breaks. I don't believe in slave labor, nor do I believe I do anyone a good service by NOT rewarding those that have worked hard, and proven to be good workers.

ALL WORKERS, ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS OR OTHERWISE, SHOULD BE TREATED WITH RESPECT, DIGNITY AND REWARDED FOR THEIR HARD WORK.

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#166 Consumer Comment

Immigrant workers being hired under the table for over 3 decades rotten people here, in America, that will exploit the services of an illegal immigrant

AUTHOR: C - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Monday, October 25, 2004

My family, far from MILLIONAIRES, have hired and treated 'illegals' very well, for over 3 decades. There are rotten people here, in America, that will exploit the services of an illegal immigrant.

As an example of how OUR family has 'operated':

Grandpa always took the workers in the property they worked at, and fed them and let them use the 'facilities', gave them water and sometimes a beer or soda. We are from the midwest and south, so manners are a major part of our humanity.

When I moved, May of 2004, we had to unload a 24' foot UHaul, and had no one to help. It was hot out, and we have a 'corner' in Chandler, AZ where many immigrants wait for work. I don't despise them, by any means. I know they just want a decent life. So, with cash in hand, I found 3 able men, one that spoke English enough to communicate, and called up a friend locally that spoke fluent Spanish. Had them converse, advised the worker's what we needed help with, that we were willing to pay them $10.00 an hour and supply them with water, food and shelter for the duration of their employee.

I immediately took them across the street, to Jack In The Box, spent $20 to feed them full for breakfast/lunch, took them to Water and Ice, bought brand new gallon jugs and filled them with water, drove them to the apartment and instructed them on unloading it, and taking all the contents to the 2nd floor apartment.

I stopped them, about every hour, and MADE them sit in the A/c, drink their water and rest. Being a former UNION WORKER, and having a tested and true work ethic, I would not have done any less. My husband, legally immigrated from the U.K., was impressed with the workers. He and I ALSO unloaded the UHAUL.

After 4.5 hours of work, with only the promise of 3 hours work and $30.00, I stopped the workers and advised that I was impressed with their work, that it was taking longer than anticipated, but they were working their selves hard, so I offered to pay them each $75.00, get them directly home so they did not have to walk, and they were fine with it.

I paid them for 6 hours of work, at MORE than the $10.00 per hour, feed them, supplied water and facilities (bathroom) and shelter for breaks. I don't believe in slave labor, nor do I believe I do anyone a good service by NOT rewarding those that have worked hard, and proven to be good workers.

ALL WORKERS, ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS OR OTHERWISE, SHOULD BE TREATED WITH RESPECT, DIGNITY AND REWARDED FOR THEIR HARD WORK.

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#165 Consumer Comment

Immigrant workers being hired under the table for over 3 decades rotten people here, in America, that will exploit the services of an illegal immigrant

AUTHOR: C - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Monday, October 25, 2004

My family, far from MILLIONAIRES, have hired and treated 'illegals' very well, for over 3 decades. There are rotten people here, in America, that will exploit the services of an illegal immigrant.

As an example of how OUR family has 'operated':

Grandpa always took the workers in the property they worked at, and fed them and let them use the 'facilities', gave them water and sometimes a beer or soda. We are from the midwest and south, so manners are a major part of our humanity.

When I moved, May of 2004, we had to unload a 24' foot UHaul, and had no one to help. It was hot out, and we have a 'corner' in Chandler, AZ where many immigrants wait for work. I don't despise them, by any means. I know they just want a decent life. So, with cash in hand, I found 3 able men, one that spoke English enough to communicate, and called up a friend locally that spoke fluent Spanish. Had them converse, advised the worker's what we needed help with, that we were willing to pay them $10.00 an hour and supply them with water, food and shelter for the duration of their employee.

I immediately took them across the street, to Jack In The Box, spent $20 to feed them full for breakfast/lunch, took them to Water and Ice, bought brand new gallon jugs and filled them with water, drove them to the apartment and instructed them on unloading it, and taking all the contents to the 2nd floor apartment.

I stopped them, about every hour, and MADE them sit in the A/c, drink their water and rest. Being a former UNION WORKER, and having a tested and true work ethic, I would not have done any less. My husband, legally immigrated from the U.K., was impressed with the workers. He and I ALSO unloaded the UHAUL.

After 4.5 hours of work, with only the promise of 3 hours work and $30.00, I stopped the workers and advised that I was impressed with their work, that it was taking longer than anticipated, but they were working their selves hard, so I offered to pay them each $75.00, get them directly home so they did not have to walk, and they were fine with it.

I paid them for 6 hours of work, at MORE than the $10.00 per hour, feed them, supplied water and facilities (bathroom) and shelter for breaks. I don't believe in slave labor, nor do I believe I do anyone a good service by NOT rewarding those that have worked hard, and proven to be good workers.

ALL WORKERS, ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS OR OTHERWISE, SHOULD BE TREATED WITH RESPECT, DIGNITY AND REWARDED FOR THEIR HARD WORK.

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#164 Consumer Comment

It's NOT 1912 and we don't need to fill our shores so mass immigration

AUTHOR: Ric - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Sunday, October 24, 2004

I read every post and the hatred and anger clearly hits you in the face.

It's NOT 1912 and we don't need to fill our shores so mass immigration is not needed. That take's care of the immigration discussion. The current problem started 30+ when Ted Keneddy pulled a fast one and changed the immigration laws. Read up on how he did it. Very slick!

Illegals are criminals plain and simple. They are law breakers. I don't care if they have 25 kids and grandma to support that is Mexico's problem. Mexico is controlled by Fox and the rich ruling class. They purposly keep Mexico in poverty for lots of reasons but I'll give two. 1)World sympathy for the plight of the poor Mexican to receive aide. 2) Aztlan/La Raza to take back the US Southwest due to the deeply seated belief that the Southwest of the US was home to the Aztecs. Many maps in Mexicos today still show Mexico as pre-Treaty of Guadalupe due to the confidence of many Mexicans that the annexation of the US Southwest is just a matter of time.

Illegal Immigration whether it be Mexican, Asian, Russian......must be curtailed. To those who say......"Were your parents illegal immigrations?" Nope! I say. My whole family LEGALLY immigrated from Poland through Ellis Island. They came here knowing maybe 50 words of English each. They learned, they grew, they prospered and they assimmilated into the new big world called America.

To the people here who say "Who will do the cooking, cleaning or dirty jobs.." Who did them before the illegals came here? Whites, Blacks, Asians, Czechs, Poles,......Also the Feds must crack down on biz owners who profit from cheap labor by hiring these illegal unskilled workers in the first place.

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#163 Consumer Comment

The Blame Game

AUTHOR: Cathy - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Tuesday, October 12, 2004

I can't believe all the anger in these responses. All the things being said about mexicans and illegal immigrants have also been said about blacks, trailer trash (who are typically white), indians, etc. Doesn't any of this sound familiar to anyone else? It seems to me that the culture of poverty brings about similar problems no matter what the color of your skin or where you are located.

Maybe people should stop placing so much emphasise on color, location, and other people's ability to spell, and try to solve the problems faced by the people living in poverty, and the people who are affected by it indirectly. There are no easy solutions that will solve the problem for everyone, but noone will get anywhere if we keep the blame game.

If the illegal immigrants were not in the fields picking, someone else would do it. If the "someone else" were subjected to the same working and living conditions, for years at a time, you would begin to see many of the same problems associated with poverty. Poverty affects people of all races, creeds, and religions, in various places around the world.

It is illegal for people to enter america without permission, but it is just plain EVIL the way that some AMERICAN-BORN people are using illegal immigrants. Just because someone has crossed the border illegally does not make it right to underpay them, subject them to inhumane living conditions, or to assume that the illegals are incapable of getting or having education. Some illegals are bad people who do bad things, just like some "legal americans" who treat these people any way they please because they Know that illegal aliens are in fear of our police, but not all illegals are bad, just like not all legally residing americans are bad.

People should try not to get caught up in the blame game, because the energy invested in that is energy wasted. Use your time, your mind, and your money to make your own life better instead of whining about how its someone elses fault your life sucks.

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#162 Consumer Comment

How Americans exploited France.

AUTHOR: Douglas - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Saturday, October 09, 2004

This is to the letter writer from France.
Americans "exploited" France by sticking our noses into where it didn't belong. Because of that, the French are still speaking French instead of speaking German! There are how many tens of thousands of American solders buried in France from WW-I and WW-II, all of whom exploited the country? Considering that France is presently having a similiar problem as the U.S. is having with the Mexicans, perhaps it won't be too many years before the French will be speaking an Arab language.

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#161 Consumer Comment

Put teeth in the laws and penalties

AUTHOR: Mar - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Friday, October 08, 2004

It is tragic when people mistreat others, be it abusive employers in foreign countries or in the USA. It happens many places. But, in the USA we have a political group that has a history of creating laws that encourage the use of illegal labor and discourage the correction of it [ along with bright ideas of allowing Matricular cards for ID and trying to pass laws that give illegals tax payer paid education, medical benefits and trying to give them social security benefits].

Many people live in countries with politically caused economic problems. No country can take in everyone that wants to come to its doors, nor should they be expected to solve their problems.

Federal criminal behavior is not to be condoned by the illegal aliens, nor the coyotes who milk them for selfish ends. If foreigners obeyed the law and apply for a visa, they would not be subjected to the wrongful treatment. [Yes, those employers are legally and morally wrong and should he legally dealt with]. But illegal aliens are criminals, too.

p.s. Our family has 3 legal aliens as children and one [chagrin] illegal alien as a son-in law.
If interested in how your representative votes on illegal immigration issues, check out: numbersusa.com

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#160 Consumer Comment

Fences would be great. Keep the Americans in!

AUTHOR: S - (France)

POSTED: Monday, October 04, 2004

Fencing of the United States of America would be fantastic, it would prevent people getting in thinking things are better when in fact they are worse.

It would mean the Americans would have to do there own hard crappy work rather than letting others do it and then moaning about it.

It would keep the Americans in and stop them going out exploiting the rest of the world and then wondering why they are not appreciated for their rape of the world.

Yes Fence them in to live in and eat their own crap!

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#159 Consumer Comment

America has rapidly morphed into a country where people think they can pick and choose what laws they want to obey.

AUTHOR: Joe - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Wednesday, September 22, 2004

My belief basically boils down to "rules must be followed". If you don't like a law then there are ways to change it but until then you have to follow it. America has rapidly morphed into a country where people think they can pick and choose what laws they want to obey. Where is it going to stop? Many say it's just common sense. It's okay to speed a little or to smoke pot. Many say it's okay to illegally come to the US because living conditions in the native country are bad. Personally, I don't believe it. I do believe if you give a person an inch they will take a foot.

I find it saddening that many organizations can't report illegals. Hospitals can't report when they have treated an illegal. Many local police departments can't inform immigration if they dealings with an illegal. A POLICE DEPARTMENT CAN'T DO ANYTHING ABOUT AN ILLEGAL. What part of illegal don't they understand.

If you knowingly hire an illegal, you should be disciplined appropriately. If you bring illegals into the country you should be disciplined appropriately. If you break any law then you should be disciplined appropriately. I can't answer what appropriate is but I know "NOTHING" is not appropriate.

I served in the military 20 years of my life for my country. I don't want to see it transformed into a third world country or a country where anything goes. My wife is a legal immigrant and now a citizen. I understand the process is hard but it can be done. Locking down the borders does have some merrit to keeping terriorist out of the country.

If you don't like the law then work to have it changed. If you are not willing to do that then you should be prepared for the consequences of doing something illegal.

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#158 Consumer Suggestion

Illegal Immigrants do have Civil Rights

AUTHOR: Beth - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Sunday, August 29, 2004

Jeff, you are actually mistaken. Here is a recent quote regarding the issue of civil rights among illegal immigrants: "If you violate civil rights laws and you discriminate against undocumented workers, we will apply the full force of the law," Ida Castro, chairwoman of the U.S. Equal Employment Opportunity Commission.

This just deals with the civil rights of illegal immigrants dealing with employment. There are many other areas that civil rights apply to illegal immigrants. The government has taken the stance that civil rights are akin to human rights, and as humans, everyone has certain rights. It is only fair that as a human, an illegal immigrant would have human rights. Crossing a line, created by men, in no way makes one not a human.

I agree that this arguement has gotten way off topic. Just because someone is here illegally, does not mean that they deserve to be mistreated.

As a rebuttle to the person complaining about IQ's and Mexican families...I live in Arizona in a neighborhood where I am a minority because I am white. There are a few other white families in the neighborhood, and I hate them all. One family constaly parks their car with their tires on our lawn, another blasts their music at all hours of the day and night, and the others don't take care of their property. The neighbors on all sides of us are Mexican. I adore the family across the street. Their children are always courteous, they always say hi, they were the first to welcome us into the neighborhood, etc. The other families around our house are all the same way. I see a LOT of pride of ownership and pride of country in my neighborhood. Now if only the other whitey's would move out, this would be a great place to live....note the sarcasm, just trying to show that any race can "ruin" or be the route of trouble in a neighborhood.

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#157 Consumer Comment

Nope, civil rights are for all.

AUTHOR: Darren - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Saturday, August 28, 2004

Hi,
It would seem that civil rights should be for only law abiding honset citizens... but then again, if we didn't give civil rights to "illegal" aliens because they were breaking the law, then should we give civil rights to criminals? After all, they are law breakers?

I am not a lawyer or a legal historian, but I believe that the Surpreme Court through the years has extended the civil rights to all people in this country who have been charge with breaking civilian law (as apposed to possibly acts of war).

One of our basic tenents when creating this nation was that all men are created equal, with certain inaliable rights. It doesn't state that they are born in a particular location. This is important because back then if we were claiming a devine or natural right to these then they have to be universal to all.

I know that the "Life, Liberty and the Pursuit..." is not the Constitution, it is the Declaration of Independance, but it is part of the basis for the legitimacy of the Constitution.

I live in CA and I can tell you that these people work their butts off! Their cheap labor and the money they spend in the area are very valuable.

Back when Proposition 187 (?) was being voted on they wanted to turn teachers and health care professionals into immigration officers. Can you imagine how you would trust me after I called the police because I suspected you of being illegal because you had an accent? Would I only suspect Spanish accents? What about Russian or Hmong, French or German? Teachers are not law enforcement officals.

Anti-immigrant people used all sorts of nonsense and a lot of misleading "facts" and figures to bash illegal immigrants. The facts are that these people bring more money into the system than they take out.

As this report originally was created because of the abuse of the illegal immigrants by rich people... these people must be good workers, otherwise they wouldn't be hired.

We all know that you can go into a county hospital and see illegals getting medical treatment. Appearances can be decieving. The facts are though that the cost of providing the health services still do not exceed the money they bring in.

Health is a public concern. Healthy people are better for America than sick people... and all people get sick.

Illegal, yes. There are many levels of illegal. Speeding, jaywalking and murder are all illegal. But, we as a society treat them differently. Otherwise, those that employ illegals would get the equivelant of deportation (going to jail).

People come into this country illegally. Except for breaking that law they are honest, hard working and wonderful people. Unfortunately, unlike speeding where you can take your foot off of the gas pedal, coming into the country illegally can't be so easity undone.

Thanks,

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#156 Consumer Comment

Illegals are law abiding? So you're on crack too, huh?

AUTHOR: Rob - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Friday, August 27, 2004

--"Hispanic inmates are also legal the great majority of the time, the illegal ones don't actually commit much crime (compared to legals) because they are afraid of being deported, so they tend to be rather low key and law abiding."

Law abiding? They are violating the law 100% (One-hundred percent!) of the time they are here!!!

--"There are as host of legitimate sociologicaql arguments on either side of this issue, but when you throw around false statistical information and make claims along the lines of "if we let too many Mexicans in we'll become a low IQ cess pool" it's hard not to see the resemblance to a racist mentality."

So true. Take my neighborhood. One end of the street has many mexican national families. Probably illegal, most work at the same place. The kids of all ages run all over the street and out into the street without looking. They seem to think they have a right to run around the street all they want.

Not one feels they need to move, as if they're waitng for an "accident" to happen. Near me, a new family moved in, and the kids were out playing. When I backed out, they ran to the sidewalk and waited for me to pass by! Now you tell me which is smarter!

I also had an auto accident. I slid into the back of another car ever so slightly. The damage was nil. Our hands removed the smudged dirt on the bumpers and it was gone. Both in the car (Hispanics) said they were fine. Both told the police man they were fine.

Then when filling out an accident report, the woman suddenly had a neck injury (probably from cranking her head around to look for me afterwards) After all was done, she drove the vehicle home. I thought she was injured? Shes just looking for a free ride, like MOST of the hispanics I've met.

I tell you America, Mexico is at war with us. They will take this country down without a military, without a shot fired. They will ruin us monetarily, and then take over.

Pray for rain. Learn to swim.

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#155 Consumer Comment

Civil Rights for Illegials

AUTHOR: Jeff - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Friday, August 27, 2004

I may be mistaken but I alway thought that Civil Rights were for U.S. citizens. If you are here illegally = no rights until you become a citizen.

There should be no reward for breaking the law.

Simple

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#154 Consumer Suggestion

Legal or illegal is irrelevant. these people are being mistreated

AUTHOR: ME - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Thursday, August 26, 2004

The point is these people are being mistreated, the majority are probably here out of the desire to feed their families, HOW does whether they are here legally or illegally justify inhumane treatment and with-holding civil rights? If these peoples skin were a few shades darker or lighter this would not be allowed to happen. Please EXPLAIN how being here illegally means its OK to mistreat these people, without talking AROUND the question. It's a straight up question, can someone give a straight-up answer?

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#153 Consumer Comment

Update on the Reno Mexican Gang Problem

AUTHOR: Douglas - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Wednesday, August 25, 2004

It's worse in Las Vegas, but here in Reno we've had three Mexican gang members killed in separate incidences during the past three weeks. One was run-down by an opposing gang member, the other two were shot by opposing gang members. 10 million weeks is how long to get rid of all the illegals? I have no sympathy for these idiots. Oh, and the latest in Fallon, Nevada: A couple of Mexican students are suing the school system because the local government doesn't have a Mexican Spanish speaking person employed by the school system to communicate with their parents! ....and we thought the old movie Alice In Wonderland was strange! Give thanks to the bleeding heart liberals for these idiotic situations we have to endure now.

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#152 Consumer Comment

IF YOU HAVE EYES TO SEE

AUTHOR: Cynthia - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Monday, July 12, 2004

THIS IS FOR ALL THOSE THAT ARE UNFORTUNATELY MISLEAD AND BLIND LIKE Stain FROM- Los osos, California U.S.A.
I must say that ignorannce is a compliment for individuals and groups that think like this. I must say that I will continue to pray for this country and for the enlightenment of individuals like stain. May God open your eyes and show you the truth. Food for thought, "Truth is not what you accept, but what is tested." Test it stain and you will see that all the supposedly truths are unsubstantial and false. Test it test it test it. God Bless you and don't forget Jesus loves you......

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#151 Consumer Suggestion

I do live in the "ghetto"

AUTHOR: E - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Wednesday, July 07, 2004

I live in the midst of the "ghetto." Ya know, over by Robinhood, Brinkby...that area, the area you would refer to as the slop. I'll tell you what, for being part of the white minority in this particular area, I have NEVER, not once had a single problem. I walk down to Virginia Lake all the time through "the slop," even at night and am always met by curteous people.

The only real crime in the area has been a white guy who got shot at his house because he was a meth dealer.

I don't know what illegal Mexican vote you are referring to either. You have to have ID to register to vote. I've never once seen any political propeganda geared towards any illegal voters.

I never disagreed with you about SF. I am not an expert on their diseases. However, I do know that here in Reno we do not have a large TB problem.

One more thing, I do NOT wear rose colored glasses. I happen to see things as they are...unequal, unfair, immoral, and inhumane. You seem to be the one who thinks that if all the Mexicans left our country everything would be all peaches and cream.

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#150 Consumer Comment

I live in Arizona...

AUTHOR: Kim - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Wednesday, July 07, 2004

we are hit harder or as hard as any other state that is suffering.

Call hiring illegal immigrants inhumane, but they are making 3 times what they would be making in Mexico. They do not have to come here. They can stay in Mexico and make their 50 cents an hour. At least half of the money the illegal earn here is usually sent back home to support families. Nothing wrong with that right?

The problem we are seeing is many of theese hispanics have no car insurance, and no health insurance so they are sticking tax payers and auto/health insurance policy holders with HUGE bills. These illegals also need healthcare, they cannot be refused service so they are treated. and very rarely do they pay a bill.

A hospital in Douglas AZ is about to go bankcrupt because they state that 75% of their patients are illegals that have no means to pay their medical bills. Somebody has to pay for them and it is us.

A high amount of hit and run accidents are caused by illegals, fearing they will be deported they usually leave the scene of an accident. Again this has got to stop so what does AZ Gov Janet Napolitano do? She passes a bill that allows illegals to get drivers licenses-completely ridicilous.

The illegals/families are even trying to sue the gov't for dying in the desert while trying to cross.

So if there would be some way to make these people pay for their healthcare, and auto accidents, life would be better.

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#149 Consumer Comment

Who brought them here?

AUTHOR: E.. - (United Kingdom)

POSTED: Wednesday, July 07, 2004

A lot of you seem to be blaming the illegals for getting here themselves. You give not thought to the fact that AMERICANS brought them here and are paying, "or not paying" them to work. AMERICANS are not so sqeaky clean in this situation. I don't care WHO you are, you deserve to be treated with kindness and respect. WE ARE ALL GOD'S CHILDREN. We all started out with ADAM AND EVE.
I think in the end we will return to ONE RACE. I personally don't care to see this happen, but I fully believe that it will.
I am not without judgement of other races, but I still know in my heart: GOD LOVES ALL HIS CHILDREN, RED YELLOW, BLACK, OR WHITE.

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#148 Consumer Comment

Who brought them here?

AUTHOR: E.. - (United Kingdom)

POSTED: Wednesday, July 07, 2004

A lot of you seem to be blaming the illegals for getting here themselves. You give not thought to the fact that AMERICANS brought them here and are paying, "or not paying" them to work. AMERICANS are not so sqeaky clean in this situation. I don't care WHO you are, you deserve to be treated with kindness and respect. WE ARE ALL GOD'S CHILDREN. We all started out with ADAM AND EVE.
I think in the end we will return to ONE RACE. I personally don't care to see this happen, but I fully believe that it will.
I am not without judgement of other races, but I still know in my heart: GOD LOVES ALL HIS CHILDREN, RED YELLOW, BLACK, OR WHITE.

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#147 Consumer Comment

Who brought them here?

AUTHOR: E.. - (United Kingdom)

POSTED: Wednesday, July 07, 2004

A lot of you seem to be blaming the illegals for getting here themselves. You give not thought to the fact that AMERICANS brought them here and are paying, "or not paying" them to work. AMERICANS are not so sqeaky clean in this situation. I don't care WHO you are, you deserve to be treated with kindness and respect. WE ARE ALL GOD'S CHILDREN. We all started out with ADAM AND EVE.
I think in the end we will return to ONE RACE. I personally don't care to see this happen, but I fully believe that it will.
I am not without judgement of other races, but I still know in my heart: GOD LOVES ALL HIS CHILDREN, RED YELLOW, BLACK, OR WHITE.

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#146 Consumer Comment

Who brought them here?

AUTHOR: E.. - (United Kingdom)

POSTED: Wednesday, July 07, 2004

A lot of you seem to be blaming the illegals for getting here themselves. You give not thought to the fact that AMERICANS brought them here and are paying, "or not paying" them to work. AMERICANS are not so sqeaky clean in this situation. I don't care WHO you are, you deserve to be treated with kindness and respect. WE ARE ALL GOD'S CHILDREN. We all started out with ADAM AND EVE.
I think in the end we will return to ONE RACE. I personally don't care to see this happen, but I fully believe that it will.
I am not without judgement of other races, but I still know in my heart: GOD LOVES ALL HIS CHILDREN, RED YELLOW, BLACK, OR WHITE.

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#145 Consumer Comment

Talk to the police gang units.....

AUTHOR: Douglas - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Wednesday, July 07, 2004

Obviously you don't live anywhere in the Reno area where the gang problems exists. You don't live in that "slop." I used to. I moved out after my neighbor got his apartment shot-up, plus I got d**n tired of everybody speaking Mexican Spanish. In fact I even had a guy shot in my front yard once. It didn't even make the Reno Gazette Journal!

Who works in the buffets? Remember any stories about sores on hands contaminationg food lines? Most people don't have a clue what goes on in the Reno area...that is until it happens to them. The stupid Mexicans prey on each other. Know any undercover police? Ask them about the Mexican gang problem with drugs and guns, especially in Las Vegas. Also what I said about San Francisco is true. Ask any medical person about diseases being brought into this country.

If you happen to be a Democrat...can you truthfully say that the illegal Mexican vote isn't encouraged? If a naturalized citizen has to have a working knowledge of English, why have voting ballots in Spanish or any other language? I assume that you belong to the NEA and anything I say negative about "diversity" and the Democrats will only inflame you. Well, just go ahead and live your life with rose colored glasses and blinders on. Life will appear much nicer that way.

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#144 Consumer Comment

Douglas, do you live in the same Reno/Sparks I do?

AUTHOR: E - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Tuesday, July 06, 2004

Douglas, I just read your post on all the problems we supposedly have here in the Reno/Sparks area. I don't think we're living in the same place! I happen to know that here in Reno/Sparks there is not a TB problem. I am a licensed teacher and have to get tested on a regular basis. I also have had to take infectious disease training. I don't know what food contamination you're talking about either. I have not heard anything about any food contaminations in the area in well over 4 years. Any that I have heard of were from the casino buffets that were not properly maintaining the food. Even those have gotten much better. You really need to get a clue about the place you live. Ever heard of Anderson Elementary? HIGHLY hispanic school, no funding of course (at least not as well funded as the other schools like Westergaurd or Sarah Winnemucca). I have personal dealings with that school, and ya know what? Their parents and their children need to provide proof that they're legal. It's not fair that a school is being made into high risk schools, so they lose more funding, just because of school boundary lines that are drawn around a part of town that is highly Hispanic. I live in that neighborhood myself. I choose to live here to help out the community. I have been treated with nothing buy kindness here. All the people here want is for their children to have food, shelter, and a chance at an equal life in the states. And you call this a "diversity slop." I call this a place where parents want what is best for their children's lives and their own. Is that wrong? I think its a beautiful thing.

You also mention that we don't have leaders in office who are tough enough on the border problems. You say that you don't want democrats in office. Do you not realize that you live in a highly right wing area? The majority of our politicians are republicans. If you voted you would probably know that though. So my question to you is, why bag on the Democrats when the people you seem to side with (Republicans) are the ones in control!

You also mention gang violence and shootings. I again don't know where you live, but gang violence is pretty much not heard of anymore around here. Remember the gang taskforce and all the extra cops? The only gang violence I ever hear about is the 311 boyz. You know who belongs to the 311 boyz? What group makes up the 311 boyz? Rich white kids. That's right, upper and middle class white kids. Its even said that they envy the ethnicities of other gangs. So before you go misinforming people that Hispanic gangs are running around in our cities, get your facts straight. It's righ lil white boyz who WANT to be another ethnicity.

I really wish you could find the beauty of your own ancestors (assuming you are Hispanic. Your statement was a little confusing, sorry). I have learned what a beautiful people they are. Read up on the vast world of the Mayans or the Aztecs. What amazing societies they were. If I were Hispanic, I would be proud of myself, not buying into the propeganda to hate your skin color taught by so many American schools, news, television shows, etc. You come from a wonderful background.

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#143 Consumer Comment

Politicians, illegal immigrants, and your future.

AUTHOR: Douglas - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Monday, July 05, 2004

Yada Yada Yada....talk talk talk. Our country is being invaded mostly by people south of the border who care nothing of the United States. A large percentage of those invaders have the mindset that they have a "right" to be here and make money to send back to Mexico. There is usually distain demonstrated toward Americans, in general. We're suposed to feel sorry for them? Interesting how our "leaders" do nothing effective about this immigration problem? Oh, I think I really know how that goes: If "our leaders" actually begin to enforce laws to stop the illegal flow, the political money from big business who like cheap labor, also stops. The only way to change that situation is to vote your "leaders" out-of-office! However, the general American public voters are too stupid and ignorant to ever vote for anyone who would actually do the right thing. Especially from the Democrat Party side, anyone who would want strong borders would be branded a racist. We wouldn't want to stop illegal voting for the Democrats, would we? So apparently from "our leaders," it's more important for them to stay in office than for the rest of us to continue to have an English speaking country!

Another dirty little secret that even the "news" papers don't mention are the diseases that the illegal immigrants bring to our country. Did you know that the City of San Francisco now has a higher per-capita tuberculosis rate than any third world country? (*San Francisco's bleeding heart politicians had previously proclaimed San Francisco to be a "free zone" safe for illegal immigrants.) How can you be infected?...just breath in the same air that the infected person exhaled. It could be in a bus, restaurant, airplane....just about any enclosed area. That cheap help you just hired?....he/she could literally be the death of you! Next time you read about restaurant customers becoming sick from an employee who had an infection contaminating the food, more than likely that employee will have a Mexican name. It's happened here in the Reno area too many times! Actually, Reno goes beyond the infectious desease problem: The majority of the gang shootings here are caused by illegals from Mexico...*that third world thinking again. The reports will usually say, "Jaun Gomez (or whoever) fled back to Mexico to avoid prosecution.

In conclusion, I would say that for those of you who believe in "diversity," either you don't have to personally live in the "diversity" slop, are too idealistic, or maybe you're just too stupid to know that you're losing your country! As a third generation brown skinned "Hispanic," (I hate that term!) I'd rather live as an English speaking American, and not as a second rate citizen in a politically correct diverse socialistic society where Mexican Spanish is required to get a job here!! You better wake-up Americans! It's going to happen!

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#142 Consumer Comment

I Am Exhausted

AUTHOR: Liza - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Monday, July 05, 2004

After reading through a majority of these responses, I am just exhausted. I cannot believe there are still people who think and say many of the things that have been said in here. Doesn't anyone realize that the Southwest used to be part of Mexico? We forcefully stole this land from them. If some country came in here and stole say California from us would we think it was fair for no American to ever live there, legally or not?

Of course not, we're Americans. We think we have a right to everything. If we were starving and couldn't feed our children, we would feel we had the right to INVADE another country. We would of course justify it. But we can't seem to justify it when a father wants to feed his children? I can tell you for certain that if my child were starving I wouldn't care if I was breaking a law or not.

I have been to Mexico, we have thouroughly screwed that country over for our own benefit, more than once. Look at how many "illegal" Americans we have in Iraq. Don't be fooled by the few and far between news broadcasts that act as if the Iraqi's want Americans there. We are killing thousands of innocent people there. When we went in there were we not illegal? We didn't even have the backing of the UN. So according to what is being said here, when we want people out, they have to get out because we say so....yet when we are todl to get out we go by our own rules. Yeah, that's fair.

So many people here are telling the Mexicans to educate themselves, when I see they are not very well educated themselves. If they were, such immoral and inhumane words would not flow from their tongues. I am moving to Tucson from the North East. Did I have any need to know Spanish there, no...but I learned it anyway because I realize what a significant part of our population (our US population) speaks this language.

Last I checked, we don't have a legal language. Ignorance is bliss though right? I have also educated myself on the culture and history of Mexico and South America because I feel so many of my fellow Americans have a tie to those countries. I learned plenty about my own culture in history class (European history of course, about the only history our country finds significant enough to teach). If people did learn something about their fellow Americans they would realize that the plight of Mexico is burdened greatly by the US and US owned corporations.

If anyone really thinks that Mexicans need to stay in Mexico, then why not tell Caucasians to go back to Europe.

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#141 Consumer Comment

An unfortunate solution

AUTHOR: Tracey - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Sunday, July 04, 2004

Unfortunately, the Mexican goverment is not helping to improve the conditions of their economy. Nor do they provide education for agricultural techniques or offer any incentive to small businesses. The state of affairs in Mexico is helpless unless the people of Mexico use thier education to elect effective representation. That is WHY the immigrants come to the USA.

However, you cannot expect illegal immigrants to be welcome in all populations of the USA! What about the immigrants who stood in line for YEARS and YEARS for their legal status? It is indeed a slap in the face for them for going about coming to the USA in a legal,legitimate fashion.That is why the abuse occurs! Do not give them opportunities to abuse the Mexican hard working people! Stay in Mexico and MAKE A DIFFERENCE!

Take the education you get in the US and better your country,Mexico. If only the immigrants could understand this concept. Please observe South Africa as an example. The white people invaded their country and ruined the culture. All countries have laws and the people who come to that country are bound by them. Do not expect the new country to accomodate you! Especially if you do not go about getting into that country in a legal fashion.

There are NO EXUSES for coming to the US without proper documantation. It creates racial tension and abuses described in the article!

If you are an immigrant and have legal status, help your brothers and sisters of Mexico by telling them to APPLY for their citezenship! I'm afraid the immigrants have put their own situations BEFORE the law and they are suffering for it. The abuse and hatred will not go away, it will be like Israel and Palestine! It is not necessary! Save the world, IMPROVE YOUR HOME COUNTRY!

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#140 Consumer Comment

Jim from Nevada

AUTHOR: Steve - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Friday, July 02, 2004

First off, I was reading the past ocmments on this page and Jim from Reno, Nevada this one is for you buddy-- Were in the hell do you come off saying the STAIN is a Marine by shooting at immigrants. I am highly offended by that statement. I am a former Marine and i would never do sucha thing. Another thing, teabagging is when you stick your nuts in someone elses mouth so that would automatically make you a flaming homo. Which ends the mystery of gays in the military--look no further than the Navy for your gays. I think that you got off of the subject of the forum when you had to cut down a Marine. If i saw you i would beat every last f --ing ounce of smart a*s remarks out of your body. As far as the immigrants, if you want to go do the shitty work then you can go do it, until then just f- off. Most and i say most-- of the immigrants be it illegal or not are hard working people and have probably worked harder in 1 day than you have worked in your life. They work their a*s off for pennies and send 99 percent to their families in Mexico so they can eat. So maybe you could go to Congress and try to change something or shut the f- up.

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#139 Consumer Comment

Misplaced anger

AUTHOR: Tim - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Friday, June 18, 2004

Jennifer, your comments are well reasoned and compassionate. However, you miss the appropraite target.

The immigrants that come here and work on the cheap and under the table are not taking our jobs away. Our jobs are being GIVEN AWAY by the people who employ them. If you could only earn one dollar an hour in America, but could earn three dollars an hour in Mexico, wouldn't you catch the first coyote to Mexico to support your family? I know I would, and I bet you would too.

Also, your claim that Mexican immigrants are throwing our economy into worse shape than it already is is competely unfounded. Absent cheap immigrant labor the cost of agricultural products would skyrocket. These products are base components of our economy, and the health of our economy depends on their affordability.

If you want to be angry at someone for the loss of American jobs, your anger would be better focussed on manufacturing moguls who are moving overseas in droves. The immigrant presence has been around for a long time, well before our current recession. Their numbers have not increased in recent years. What has happened is that formerly large employers of Americans have moved manufactring operations overseas.

The Mexicans are not "taking jobs away" from Americans. Americans never had those jobs in the first place. Wealthy Americans ARE taking our jobs away by moving factories overseas. Don't let conservative rhetoric blind your eyes to what is really going on here.

In closing, what you describe in your final paragraph is not the American dream. Unfortunately, it is the "Mexican dream." However bad they haev it here, it's better than they have it at home. If I could move to a neighboring country and triple my annual income, you can d**n well bet I'd do it, legal or not

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#138 Consumer Comment

The real problem is much worse.

AUTHOR: Jennifer - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Wednesday, June 02, 2004

In reading this ripoff report i was saddened that people are being treated so badely by individuals whom obviously don't care about others but as an American Citizen, born and raised i do have something to say on behalf of the bigger picture.

The real problem here is that most of these migrant workers are in fact here illegally. their sucking up jobs and taking them away from the American worker by the day and it's throwing the economy in worse shape than it is alrerady in. Something needs to be done, immediately about getting these illegals OUT of our country and giving American back to American's whom have the legal right to work and live here and prosper.

We can all start by calling the INS whenever we suspect that there are illegals in ther workplace or even in our own neighborhoods. Many immigrants got here properly and i say.. "Welcome" to those who did, but to those who didn't, i think we should all pull together and get them out. What they don't understand is that it is JUST as dangerous for them to be here personally than it is for us to live among them. Most can't or at least pretend they can't speak English and they ahve no rights at the workplace because Employers can't claim them because then they will be in trouble. The have no coverage if injured on the job, no protection, no nothing but what they have in their pockets and that.. is NOT part of the American dream! They should know this immediately.

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#137 Consumer Comment

To Nicole

AUTHOR: Tristan - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Monday, May 24, 2004

Sorry it has taken me so long to respond. I hope you see this.

The only thing I can tell you is that a certain teacher at Spring Valley High School of Columbia, SC (29229) created the whole "Arribas Corazones." She no longer works there but a lot of other people in the Spanish department and service learning department probably keep it going. Feel free to look the high school up on the internet and take it from there if you would like to help. I no longer live in SC but I think it's great that you inquired. There should be more good samaritans that care about their neighbors. I'm a strong advocate for giving to the community no matter how much of a bad-a*s I was :-)

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#136 Consumer Comment

For Douglas

AUTHOR: Jenn - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Friday, May 07, 2004

My husband is paid 20 a hour and 400 a week just to go, last year he made a 20,000 bonus. He gets paid good for his job because he knows how to do it right. I really don't understand you, you are part Mexican. Doesn't matter if it was your grandparents or someone else in your line, you need to be proud of where you came from. I am proud of where I came from, my family was on the Mayflower. My children are Americans but they are half Mexican and they need to proud of their roots. I do not want my kids growing up to be prejudice or people say things because of who they are. There is alot of trash in this country and they didn't all come from Mexico. I have lived in a lot of places and I can tell you Mexicans are better people than some of these Americans.



I don't understand why people are so immature on this report. I have seen a lot of crap in my life, I see native americans killing each other for looking at each other the wrong way. I have seen blacks do drive by. I have seen Whites who snort drugs and drive with wrong tags. But every one keeps pointing at mexicans. I wonder if any of them ever look in the paper and see how many americans are running around with no insurance and licenses. People need to just accept others for where they come from and help other people out. They should be helping people instead of talking trash.

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#135 Consumer Suggestion

Why Don't You Just Move To Mexico?

AUTHOR: David - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Monday, April 26, 2004

Anytime you would like to load up your crapwagon and move south of the border and leave this terrible place...I'd be glad to help !!!

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#134 Consumer Comment

ITS A SAD WORLD WE HAVE

AUTHOR: STACY - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Sunday, April 25, 2004

I USED TO WORK AT TYSON FOODS FOR 5 YEARS, WAS A SUPERVISOR. IN MY DEPARTMENT ALONE THERE WERE 105 MEXICANS WORKING FOR ME, THE MAJORITY ILLEGAL..CAN YOU GUESS HOW MANY AMERICANS I HAD WORKING FOR ME....NONE..THEY WOULD COME ON TO THE JOB ASK FOR A BATHROOM BREAK AND NEVER COME BACK, WHY BECAUSE AMERICANS THINK THEY ARE ABOVE AND BEYOND THE WORK OF HANGING LIVE CHICKENS, DEBONING AND WORKING IN 30 DEGREE WEATHER.



I WAS ASTONISHED AT ALL THE LAZINESS OF THE WHITE PEOPLE (I AM WHITE BY THE WAY)...THE WELFARE SYSTEM WOULD SEND THEM OUT TO US TO GET THEM A JOB BUT WORKING FOR 8 DOLLARS OR MORE AN HOUR WAS NOTHING COMPARED TO GETTING 300 A MONTH SITTING ON THEIR ASSES.



TO ALL THOSE WHO THINK MEXICANS DONT PAY TAXES WELL YOUR FULL OF s**t..THEY DO AND FOR THE MOST PART THEY DONT FILE TAX RETURNS. SO THERES A LOT OF TAX MONEY THAT DOES NOT GET CLAIMED-WHERE DOES IT GO? I HAVE BEEN STANDING AT WALMART AND MCDONALS AND WATCHED CASHIERS RIP MEXICANS OFF TAKING MORE MONEY THAN WAS NEEDED...WHO DO YOU THINK DID THAT--WHITE PEOPLE. SEEN LANDLORDS MAKE A HOUSE WITH A FAMILY OF MEXICANS GO WITHOUT HEAT FOR THE WINTER ...KEPT SAYING THEY CALLED THE GAS COMPANY AND IT WAS THE GAS COMPANIES FAULT THE WATER HEATER DIDNT WORK..UNTIL I STEPPED IN AN ULTIMATELY IT WAS FIXED. WHY? BECAUSE I AM A CITIZEN AND I KNOW THAT RENT CAN BE WITHHELD BECAUSE OF IMPROPER FACILITIES.....I HAVE SEEN PEOPLE JACK THE RENT UP DOUBLE WHAT IT WAS IN THE PAPER BECAUSE THEY WERE MEXICAN WHEN THEY ARRIVED TO LOOK AT IT...WHY IS IT THAT MEXICANS HAVE CARS WITH NO INSURANCE...BECASUE DEALERS SELL THEM TO THEM WITHOUT A VALID LICENSE...WHICH IS ILLEGAL.



I HAVE TALKED TO DEALERS THROWING A FIT WHEN A PAYMENTS NOT MADE RIGHT ON FRIDAY AT THE TIME HE WANTS BUT I WAS ALWAYS THERE TO REMIND HIM OF THE ILLEGAL ACTIVITY HE DID BY SELLING THE CARS TO THEM IN THE FIRST PLACE.



THEN OF COURSE THEY SHUT UP...ITS FUNNY HOW AMERICANS b***h AND PISS AND MOAN ABOUT THE ILLEGALS BUT YOU KNOW WHAT THERE ARE O ALOT THINGS IN THIS WORLD WE WOULD NOT HAVE LIKE AGRICULTURE AND CHICKEN AND BEEF AND PORK, ETC..WHY BECASUE WE THINK WE ARE SO ABOVE THAT KIND OF DEMEANING JOB.



IN MISSOURI THE MAJORITY OF THE ILLEGALS ARE FROM THE SOUTHERN END OF MEXICO....THESE PEOPLE DO NOT HAVE NICE THINGS THERE UNLESS IT IS SENT FROM HERE...BECAUSE OF THEIR RELIGION THEY DONT USE BIRTH CONTROL, AS LIKE IT IS HERE, SO YES LOTS OF BIG FAMILIES...BUT HONESTLY IF YOU WERE SITTING THERE WATCHING YOUR FAMILY GO HUNGRY AND YOU KNOW THAT YOU COULD IN SOME WAY HELP WOULDNT YOU GO TO ANY MEANS TO DO IT...



WE BLAME THEY COYOTES FOR EVERYTHING, BUT BETTER PLACE BLAME ON SOME OF THOSE BORDER GUARDS THEY ENJOY LINING THEIR POCKETS WITH WADS OF CASH THEMSELVES...



SEEN THEM CHARGE ANYWHERE FROM 300 DOLLARS A PERSON TO AS HIGH AS 2000 IM SURE DEPENDING ON IF THEIR MORTGAGE IS DUE. MY DAUGHTERS FATHER IS AN ILLEGAL ALIEN WHO WAS DEPORTED BEFORE WE COULD GET MARRIED I GOT MY CHILD SUPPORT FORM HIM DIRECTLY, BUT NOW THAT HE HAS BEEN DEPORTED..



I RECIEVE NOTHING-THANKS TO THE PEOPLE THAT b***h PISS AND MOAN ABOUT THE ILLEGALS THAT ARE TAKING JOBS AWAY FROM AMERICANS THAT ARE TO HIGH AND MIGHTY TO DO-- WHICH IS JUST PURE AND SIMPLE LAZINESS..IT DRIVES ME NUTS TO HEAR PEOPLE b***h ABOUT THE ILLEGALS..THEY DO CRIMES AND THEY GET CAUGHT AND THEY DO THEIR TIME HERE IN MISSOURI AN THEN ARE DEPORTED...



AS MUCH AS I HATE TO SAY IT FOR ONE DAY I WOULD LIKE TO SEE AMERICANS OUT IN THE APPLE ORCHARD PICKING UP APPLES 12 HOURS A DAY OR PICKING STRAWBERRIES IN THE HOT SUN. WE WOULDNT DO IT WOULD WE HELL NO BECAUSE WE THINK WE ARE ABOVE THAT, AND ITS SAD TO SEE THESE IMMIGRANTS HAVE TO LIVE IN POOR CONDITIONS WHEN THEY GET HERE AND NOT GET PAID THE OVERTIME FOR ALL THEY DO, BUT YOU CAN BET AMERICANS GET THEIR OVERTIME. SOMEBODY WOULD GET SUED IF THEY DIDNT.



YOU KNOW WHAT I USED TO BE PROUD TO LIVE HERE, BUT I AM SO EMBARRASSED BY THE PEOPLE OF THIS COUNTRY WHO ARE RACIST AND HATEFUL HUMAN BEINGS. THESE PEOPLE GET PROMISES (FUNNY HOW ITS AMERICANS WHO MAKES THE PROMISES) TO COME OVER HERE AND MAKE A GOOD WAGE, HAVE A BETTER LIFE AND LEARN THE LIFE AN AMERICAN HAS, BUT NONE OF OUR LIVES ARE LIKE THAT..



WE ARENT STUCK OUT IN BUM FUC* EYGYPT WITHOUT THE NECCESARY THINGS TO GET THRU THE DAY..CLEAN CLOTHES, AMPLE FOOD, SHELTER, ETC...AND YES I WILL AGREE THERE ARE SOMETIMES BAD ONES THAT COME THRU BUT LOOK AT THE AMERICANS ARE PRISONS ARE SO FREAKIN OVERCROWDED AND NOT BECAUSE OF ILLEGALS BUT BECAUSE OF AMERICANS..



WE ARE A SAD BUNCH OF HUMANS WHEN WE CRITISIZE ANOTHER RACE WHEN OUR RACE IS JSUT AS BAD IF NOT WORSE IN SOME CASES. OH AND STAIN YOUR JUST AN a*s, I HOPE ONE DAY YOU HAVE A MEXICAN TRAIN ON YOU..DO YOU KNOW WHAT THAT IS?



LET ME FILL YOU IN I HOPE A BUNCH OF GANG BANGERS CATCH YOU IN THE STREET AND FUC* YOUR BRAINS OUT OVER AND OVER AGAIN!!!!! PAY ATTENTION CAUSE IT WILL HAPPEN SOME DAY SOON.

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#133 Consumer Suggestion

They are born to be criminal

AUTHOR: A - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Wednesday, April 21, 2004

Thousand of Illegal immigrant living in my state NY, but why only this particular immigrant from the South border all the way down bring this kind of KAOS to this country, giving them legal documentation , education is not a guarantee they would start decent live ,any one agree? Who could guarantee? remember Loud music, non English speaking but understand US$ .However this is not their country how come the could drive car without Licence and no insurance, go back home man.. ride a donkey would ya..respect our American people and other legal immigrant , illegal mexican are coming to this country they know that they not gonna making $50,000/ year, they don't mind, if they start complaining just tell ' em hey...Uncle SAM never give ya a call to come working at this country stop dreaming, they might reply where is American Dream well... keep dreaming amigo..

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#132 Consumer Comment

GREEN CARDS

AUTHOR: Brian - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Thursday, April 15, 2004

IF THEY ARE TREATED SO BAD THEN GO HOME, INSTEAD OF JUMPING AHEAD OF THE LINE OF LAW ABIDING PEOPLE GETTING GREEN CARDS. ITS OKAY TO WANT TO COME HERE FOR A BETTER LIFE ITS ANOTHER TO COMMIT CRIMINAL ACTS SUCH AS COMING HERE ILLEGALY. WHAT THESE FARM PEOPLE HAVE DONE IS CRIMINAL AND INHUMANE, ILL DEFINATELY AGREE WITH THAT, HOWEVER IF THE CRIMINAL ALIENS WERE HERE LEGALLY THEY WOULDN'T HAVE TO PUT UP WITH THOSE CONDITIONS WOULD THEY.

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#131 Consumer Comment

You still don't get it !??

AUTHOR: 342-6693Douglas - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Friday, March 19, 2004

American workers probably won't go up that scaffold because it doesn't pay enough. I work in construction....yes, the Mexican workers will do just about anything for lesser money. Why do you think that the injury rate is higher for illegal Mexican workers than American workers? Do you expect American workers to lower themselves to the standard of illegal workers who will do ANYTHING asked of them without additional compensation? All the illegal workers are doing is lowering the pay scales for doing the same type of hazardous work! You would pat them on the back and tell them "good job." I have told them that they're stupid for doing what they did! Sure, they bump the American worker out of that job position because the American won't do more dangerous work without the hazard pay. Can you blame them? Is this what it comes down to?...Should the American worker just accept a lower pay scale because the illegal Mexican workers will do ANYTHING and work cheaper? If there was any reason to deport all the illegals, this is a paramont reason to!



The business owners love 'em. After most of the Americans no longer work construction, what then? I'll tell you what: The Mexicans will be at each other's throats working cheaper and cheaper until they'll be no better off here than they were in Mexico! Who profits?...Big Business. Who suffers?...any American who used to work in construction, and the Mexicans too. Of course this will take many, many years, but that's what will eventually happen. The Unions try to maintain a decent pay scale, otherwise Big Businesses would be satisfied paying one dollar an hour for skilled labor. The illegals are ruining that control, but eventually the lower and lower pay will burn them too. When it happends, I'll laugh.



Incidently, if your grandchildren are born in the United States, they'll be Americans, not Mexicans. Who knows, maybe they'll think just as I do and not have loyalty to the country of Mexico.

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#130 Consumer Suggestion

Can't believe it is still going !!!

AUTHOR: Jennifer - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Thursday, March 18, 2004

This is to the person who said something about illegals on sites. Mu husband is one of them illegals (not for long) who is a foreman. He works his butt off, climbing scaffolds. I do not see gringos up there. And when he tries to work them they do not want to go up high or they are the laziest people who just want more money. He knows his job and he runs a tight ship because safety is important. And he doesn't run the dumb mexican routine. Also for them trying to get back what is theirs. I have never heard that but could you blame them seeing we took whatever we wanted like usual. I think you should be ashame of yourself. You need to be proud of your race and it is partly your race. I hope my future grandchildren do not feel that way about Mexicans because that is where they are from and they need to be proud of it.

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#129 Consumer Comment

Nobody forced them to come here!!

AUTHOR: Douglas - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Thursday, March 18, 2004

Apparently more than a few Americans just don't get it! Mexico encourages it's citizens to illegaly immigrate to the United States for two reasons:

1. Send dollars back to Mexico.



2. Reclaim lost Mexican Territory.



Mexican citizens are taught in school that the United States stole their lands, and that it is proper and correct to flood north into the United States and occupy what is really Mexico.

The Mexican Government is corrupt and is controlled by very few super rich families who like things as they are now in Mexico. What you have are dirt-poor uneducated citizens who believe anything their government tells them, a very small middle class, and just a few percent at the top who are the super rich who run the country.



It's easier to maintain power and control in Mexico by blaming all problems on the United States! Mexico could easily take care of their own problems by promoting education and training, but that would result in an educated population who would then realize how corrupt their own government is. Can't have that! Better to keep the Mexicans illiterate and send them north to the big bag of money called the United States! For those American companies who relocated to Mexico, the wages paid are still dirt-poor, the Mexican politicians still get kick-backs, and American workers suffer the loss of jobs here. So what if the uneducated illegal workers from Mexico here now are having a hard time? They can always go back if thing are so bad here, but they won't. Because, you see...in another 50 years, what used to be the United States will just be another Spanish speaking Mexican Territory. With my brown skin and last name, I'll fit right in. However, anyone who doesn't have brown skin and a "Hispanic" last name will be excluded from almost everything. For those of you bleeding hearts, I feel sorry for your descendants.

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#128 Consumer Comment

Nobody forced them to come here!!

AUTHOR: Douglas - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Thursday, March 18, 2004

Apparently more than a few Americans just don't get it! Mexico encourages it's citizens to illegaly immigrate to the United States for two reasons:

1. Send dollars back to Mexico.



2. Reclaim lost Mexican Territory.



Mexican citizens are taught in school that the United States stole their lands, and that it is proper and correct to flood north into the United States and occupy what is really Mexico.

The Mexican Government is corrupt and is controlled by very few super rich families who like things as they are now in Mexico. What you have are dirt-poor uneducated citizens who believe anything their government tells them, a very small middle class, and just a few percent at the top who are the super rich who run the country.



It's easier to maintain power and control in Mexico by blaming all problems on the United States! Mexico could easily take care of their own problems by promoting education and training, but that would result in an educated population who would then realize how corrupt their own government is. Can't have that! Better to keep the Mexicans illiterate and send them north to the big bag of money called the United States! For those American companies who relocated to Mexico, the wages paid are still dirt-poor, the Mexican politicians still get kick-backs, and American workers suffer the loss of jobs here. So what if the uneducated illegal workers from Mexico here now are having a hard time? They can always go back if thing are so bad here, but they won't. Because, you see...in another 50 years, what used to be the United States will just be another Spanish speaking Mexican Territory. With my brown skin and last name, I'll fit right in. However, anyone who doesn't have brown skin and a "Hispanic" last name will be excluded from almost everything. For those of you bleeding hearts, I feel sorry for your descendants.

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#127 Consumer Comment

Nobody forced them to come here!!

AUTHOR: Douglas - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Thursday, March 18, 2004

Apparently more than a few Americans just don't get it! Mexico encourages it's citizens to illegaly immigrate to the United States for two reasons:

1. Send dollars back to Mexico.



2. Reclaim lost Mexican Territory.



Mexican citizens are taught in school that the United States stole their lands, and that it is proper and correct to flood north into the United States and occupy what is really Mexico.

The Mexican Government is corrupt and is controlled by very few super rich families who like things as they are now in Mexico. What you have are dirt-poor uneducated citizens who believe anything their government tells them, a very small middle class, and just a few percent at the top who are the super rich who run the country.



It's easier to maintain power and control in Mexico by blaming all problems on the United States! Mexico could easily take care of their own problems by promoting education and training, but that would result in an educated population who would then realize how corrupt their own government is. Can't have that! Better to keep the Mexicans illiterate and send them north to the big bag of money called the United States! For those American companies who relocated to Mexico, the wages paid are still dirt-poor, the Mexican politicians still get kick-backs, and American workers suffer the loss of jobs here. So what if the uneducated illegal workers from Mexico here now are having a hard time? They can always go back if thing are so bad here, but they won't. Because, you see...in another 50 years, what used to be the United States will just be another Spanish speaking Mexican Territory. With my brown skin and last name, I'll fit right in. However, anyone who doesn't have brown skin and a "Hispanic" last name will be excluded from almost everything. For those of you bleeding hearts, I feel sorry for your descendants.

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#126 Consumer Comment

Nobody forced them to come here!!

AUTHOR: Douglas - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Thursday, March 18, 2004

Apparently more than a few Americans just don't get it! Mexico encourages it's citizens to illegaly immigrate to the United States for two reasons:

1. Send dollars back to Mexico.



2. Reclaim lost Mexican Territory.



Mexican citizens are taught in school that the United States stole their lands, and that it is proper and correct to flood north into the United States and occupy what is really Mexico.

The Mexican Government is corrupt and is controlled by very few super rich families who like things as they are now in Mexico. What you have are dirt-poor uneducated citizens who believe anything their government tells them, a very small middle class, and just a few percent at the top who are the super rich who run the country.



It's easier to maintain power and control in Mexico by blaming all problems on the United States! Mexico could easily take care of their own problems by promoting education and training, but that would result in an educated population who would then realize how corrupt their own government is. Can't have that! Better to keep the Mexicans illiterate and send them north to the big bag of money called the United States! For those American companies who relocated to Mexico, the wages paid are still dirt-poor, the Mexican politicians still get kick-backs, and American workers suffer the loss of jobs here. So what if the uneducated illegal workers from Mexico here now are having a hard time? They can always go back if thing are so bad here, but they won't. Because, you see...in another 50 years, what used to be the United States will just be another Spanish speaking Mexican Territory. With my brown skin and last name, I'll fit right in. However, anyone who doesn't have brown skin and a "Hispanic" last name will be excluded from almost everything. For those of you bleeding hearts, I feel sorry for your descendants.

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#125 Consumer Comment

get real racists!

AUTHOR: Gail - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Thursday, March 18, 2004

this ripoff report began with the subject of mexican people being brought to arizona and left with no provisions to work like animals picking fruit. it seems to have evolved into "how mexicans are ruining our country". i dont remember the last time a "mexican" was found to be responsible for a "terrorist act". it is a fact that without the cheap agricultural labor, our food would be much more expensive. mexico is our neighbor and it is in americas best interest to keep a good relationship going. i havent noticed any of these comments saying anything about "illegal canadian immigrants". maybe because they tend to "look" like white americans. where i live, quite a few canadians cross the bridge every day to work in the states. people would be apalled if a busload of canadians were dropped off in a field with nothing! the only people benefitting from the illegal "people" business are the creeps who smuggle them over and treat them like freight! i love my country but i am sick of reading this garbage insulting mexicans.

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#124 Consumer Comment

Getting a license does not make you a citizen

AUTHOR: Tamika - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Wednesday, March 10, 2004

Hello all- just wanted to say my husband has been in the US Army for 15 years. I say that to say this. While stationed in Germany he received a driving license there. He hit the Audubon driving like a mad man (who doesn't). My point is simple the test was in english (my husbands native language of course the countrys first language is german) The signs are in german for the most part. Very few have any english subtitles. i think the difference is age my husband was 21 when he got his license there (never studued mind you and they have a lot of signs we don't. ask anyone who knows) lived there driving for 3 years. It is not the so called 'stupid mexican illegal immigrants who hate america and don't have licenses or insurance" that crash cars. It is mainly teenagers period. When your child is older (debra who quoted bad experiences with teen mexican drivers) you will see, hopefully, that race plays no part in the lack of expericence that causes most accidents. Our own National Highway Safety Commision attributes over 70% of car accidents to teenagers. Which is why when you put your child on your insurance it will go up 3 fold. Ask me how i know .......(a non-mexican mother of 6 ). Look we all have bad experiences with one race of people or another. These experiences do not account for all of that races people. Yes illegal is illegal and facts are facts ........driving well is attributed to experience and maybe gender (my brother got in a stick and took off with no experience at 15) but not race or your RIGHT to live in one country or another. Beside how does the song go....This land is your land this land is my land from the pacific ocean to the new york island....something like that.

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#123 Consumer Comment

There is more to it than Civil Rights.......

AUTHOR: Douglas - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Tuesday, March 09, 2004

Okay, here goes my "Hispanic" opinions. I am a third generation "Hispanic." I hate that term! I'm an American, not a "Hispanic!" Those Liberal idiots who invented diversity and politically correct hyphenated designations for various racial groups have created a fractured society. I believe that this whole racial mess we are experiencing now was planned for many, many years by the true "leaders" of

America: the Big Multi-National businesses. Indeed, fanning the racial hatred keeps us at each other's throats instead of seeing what the "leaders" are doing to us. You do that fanning by pushing "diversity." What would be the worse thing to happen to big and small businesses? Answer: The lack of cheap labor. The cheapest labor now are the illegal Mexicans in the United States. No money is really saved because taxpayers will have to cough-up additional taxes for welfare, Social Security and other benefits to illegals. Unfortunately, the majority of the illegal alien Mexicans have a third world mentality. They don't fit into modern day American Society. What was mentioned about Mexican Drivers?....no license or insurance?...usually a typical situation. That's how they do it in Mexico, don't they?



It's been said by a few people on this site that if it weren't for the illegal Mexican work force many jobs wouldn't get done. Really? A more accurate statement should have been,"...jobs wouldn't get done at slave wages." No American in his or her right mind is going to work for $2.50 an hour! In San Jose, California, illegal alien Mexicans now work Union jobs at full union pay and benefits, and displace American workers.

I've seen Mexicans who didn't have the necessary skills to do the job be hired by relatives at full Journeyman pay! The Foremen relative who did the hiring will "cover" for the unskilled relative. There are so many Mexicans working illegally on construction sites that most often the Mexican National Flag is put up to fly! When I ask, "Where is the American Flag?," I get looks of disgust for those workers! If I ask the foreman why he never hires American workers, the answer ususally is, "Oh, everybody speaks Spanish...that's why I can only hire Spanish." But what drives me crazy is if I attempt to question any of the illegals about any particular subject related to the job, I'm treated with what I call,"the dumb Mexican routine." It's moments such as that, that I wish I could phone immigration and have bus loads of those illegal workers taken back across the border! Well...immigration doesn't deport anyone! I know...some "Hispanics" reading this will assume that I'm a white guy. Wrong. I've got brown skin just like you, and a name to go along with the skin color.



My last name and brown skin allow me to hear talk not normally heard by white people. I.e., "We're going to take it back." "IT," is California, Arizona, New Mexico, and Texas. You know how that will happen?...babies. Hundreds, thousands, and millions of babies born in the United States who will become future voters. The sad thing is that "Our Leaders" have allowed this whole mess to become what it is. The "Elite" Socialists thinkers, mostly Democrats, want no borders and no controls on immigration. What our society is slowly evolving into is a society of the "Rich Elite" managers, and the lower class "Workers." Unfortunately for the average American, that means that we'll all be speaking Mexican Spanish in another 20 or so years, and living at a much lower standard than we have now. So prepare youself for third world Mexicans who speak only Spanish demanding "rights," but at the same time refusing to assimilate into American Society. You think that having your windows vibrating at midnight is bad now?...wait another few years. BOOM..BOOM..CHI CHI BOOM.....

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#122 Consumer Suggestion

It is possible to suggest reform without being a racist...

AUTHOR: Brent - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Wednesday, February 25, 2004

Illegal immigration is NOT a problem

for racial reasons. It is a problem

for economic reasons, and for reasons

related to soverignty of BOTH nations,

in this case. I might suggest loosening

regulations on LEGAL immigration, to give

the Mexican workers a break in terms of

making at least minimum wage, and in

terms of dealing with dishonest employers.



Exploitation of these people is offensive,

especially by the coyotes and the businesses

here in Mesa who use them up like so much

toilet paper.



And also: with legal immigration there

CAN be a requirement that entrants be

versed at least minimally on U.S. laws

and customs, so as not to offend so

many people and so as not to be so

frequently exploited and unfairly exposed

to the criminal justice system, which in

this city and county, is probably more

rotten and corrupt than anything they

even imagined in Mexico.

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#121 Consumer Comment

Illegal Immigrants be GONE!!! ..Ed, I must say that you have a very compelling and strong case for the humane treatment of the immigrant workers.

AUTHOR: Stefan - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Tuesday, February 24, 2004

Ed,



I must say that you have a very compelling and strong case for the humane treatment of the immigrant workers. However I would like to argue a point that I just can't seem to understand. My wife is from the Slovak Republic, Slovakia or former Czechoslovakia. It took me ten months to get her here legally and then another 6 months for her to get her work authorization and Social Security card. With all the Illegal immigrants taking the time of Consulates and the USICS, former INS, away from the people who are trying to legally enter the US and to start a life here is just mind blowing. Have you ever gone to the USICS office?? Have you ever tried to understand all the paper work and procedures. You made a point that Immigrants were promised legal citizenship for $500.00-$1,500.00!!!! That is a bargain considering my wife and I spent over $3,000.00 so far and we are still waiting for her legal permanent residency and green card. We keep allowing all these illegal immigrant workers to continue working with little thought on what it is doing to our society and local economy. I work very hard for wages that are less than adequate and could be much higher, but in order for me to compete with the companies that have illegal immigrant workers doing the same work for dirt cheep it is almost a slap in the face. I have years of schooling in my trade and I pride myself in the work I do. I find that too many people are getting ripped off by these companies that have the illegal immigrants doing the work. I end up fixing their bad or improper work and I usually have to do it at a reduced rate just so the people will call me back when they need more work done. I say get rid of all the illegal immigrants and force them to go through the USICS just like everyone else trying to get here. Just because we get rid of them doesn't mean we will go belly up and our economy will suffer. We will have more jobs available and less people to deal with. We will pay more at the stores for fruit and veggies, but will we??? Stores make such a large margin that I doubt we would feel the money leaving our pockets. As for all the hot dog stands ad the corner hustlers, do we need them??? I don't, and many others probably feel the same way. Instead of going after the farm owners and businesses, go after their work force and see what those so called Millionaires have to do to keep their way of life and their companies going. Give more money to legal workers and get the American pride back in our society. Don't pay to have these workers do mindless work that no one says they won't do, there is always going to be someone that will do the work, not everyone aspires to be a company owner making millions. My point is that we need to all look at these illegal immigrants and do something about it. With Bush making all these promises of ten year green cards or Visas for these illegal immigrants we are all in for it. I say stop the illegal immigrants and start to hire those people that deserve to work here. Hire only those that have social security numbers and work authorization. Give back to Arizona and let Mexico worry about its own people, we need to focus on us in the US, not on everyone else!!!!



Thanks,

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#120 Consumer Comment

Shouting at the wind

AUTHOR: Ian - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Friday, October 24, 2003

Now that I am a few days older having read this report and the follw-up posts I figure it is time for my two cents. I am more than entitled to and qualified to comment on these things having a significant other who is an illegal alien ("mojado" is the coloquial term) for four years now.



My S.O. is from Mexico, and walked across the border like so many others in the middle of the night. All of his family (and most of his friends) which are here, with two exceptions, (that will come up again in a minute) are also illegal. At the same time they are harder working and struggle more to make ends meet than any of my friends. I assure you that the friends of mine (as well as myself) which I am refferring to are as much citizens as anyone you can think of.



As far as the hard working, and struggling part goes, I found something quite interesting. If I mention to them how I cannot believe how hard they work and for how little money they make, my comments are dismissed as being silly. You see they work as hard as they would be working if they were in Mexico, only for more money. The struggling does not bother them as much as it would bother me because they are struggling for something which is worth it to them. I realized that the struggling was such a big thing to me because I never have really done it. If I came up to yoyu right now and stuck you with a pin you would be upset, and it would be a big deal. If I had been coming up to you every day and sticking you with a pin all of your life you would just figure thats the way it is. Its all a matter of perspective. I poo pooed a job offer a month or so back for better than 65k a year (10% more than I currently make), because I dont feel like driving that far in the morning. My S.O.'s sister will clean a house on a moments notice, on a Sunday, when she had plans already, for $50.00.



Now you can say "We should send them all back to Mexico because that is where they belong.". Fine, real easy to say my "real American" friends. Not so easy to do. Make sure you have the ability fo separate out the people from Guatemala, El Salvador, Panama, and anywhere else that has people who meet this generic description you will call "Mexican". If you are going to send them all back, then you better send them to the right place. Get ready to start writing some checks too, because plane tickets arent free, the additional enforcement officials need to go find them arent free, and the lawsuits you will get as a result of sending honest to god US citizens "back where they came from" by mistake (well he was kinda brown so I figured.....) are really not free.



I said I would get back to the members of my S.O.'s family which are not illegal, so here goes. One of the American citizens I am talking about is a 5 year old girl. She was born here. Her mother is illegal sure enough, but she is every bit the citizen you, me, President Bush, and the guy down the street is. What do you do with her? You just waved your magic wand and her mother (and sole means of support) has just been sent back to where she "belongs". Break out that checkbook again John Q. Public, you just created a ward of the state.



For everyone who is being run into by these uninsured, and unlicensed illegal aliens. Look, its real hard to get insurance on your car when you dont have a license. Give them licenses. My S.O. drives one of my cars all over. It is insured 200/500 liability and $100.00 deductable on comprehensive, but in my name. Should you be hit by him you'll just be hit by someone with no license. You still arent going to see a dime from my State Farm policy, because without a license I cant add him. Dont give me this thing where if you give illegals licenses then they are going to be able to pass themselves off as US citizens. They want licenses so they can drive to and from work legally. If a driver license makes you a citizen, then this country has bigger problems than illegal immigration.



I can go on all day point by point and show all of you how silly this whole "send them back" idea is. The long and short of it is this. The illegal aliens are here, and you are not going to do anything about it. The illegal aliens are comming here, and you are not going to do anything about that either. Those two statements are facts, and there is not one shred of evidence to the contrary. So where from here? We need to learn to accept these facts. These people are your neighbors, your kid's friends, your employees, and, if you give it a shot, your friends.



I am not saying that there are not bad apples, I am not even saying that there are very few bad apples. I have been at a light (my car is a convertible so its even harder on me) when a truck blaring "Ciento Cinco Punto Nueve! PURO MEXICO!!!" has pulled up along side and it is annoying. Every bit as annoying as the lowered Honda blaring the gangster rap full of college boys so white they could have been carved from cream cheese. So the bad apples know no racial boundaries.



Somewhere in New York I saw this lady who had this sign reading something about giving her your tired, your poor, your huddled masses. The only stipulation was that they would be yearning to breath free. She didnt say except the ones that have brown skin, and dont speak English.

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#119 Consumer Comment

Your reasoning is all wrong

AUTHOR: Tim - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Thursday, October 09, 2003

Dustin... To keep put it shortly, your reasoning on this issue is all wrong. You place the blame for the situation on the immigrants who com here to work for extremely low wages because, unfortunately, those wages are usually better than what they could make back home. If this situation really angers you, and if you think hard working Americans are being deprived of the opportunity to work because they are unwilling to work such low paying jobs, shouldn't your anger be directed toward the people that have the gall to pay well below minimum wage for grueling, dangerous work? If the farm owners would pay decent wages we wouldn't have our so-called immigration problem. A farm owner would definitely prefer, all things being equal, to not have to worry about the INS rousting their laborers. Unfortunately, this interest conflicts with the benefit of cheap, undocumented labor. Immorality on the part of greedy Americans, not hungry Mexicans, created and perpetuates this problem.

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#118 Consumer Comment

america wake up

AUTHOR: Dustin - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Thursday, October 09, 2003

First i must say to all of those who talk about letting illegals in to the country. U must not be infected by them yet. I am not racest. I felt the same way as you a few years ago. But for the many blue color workers this is afecting us greatly. the one artical said that many of the illegals only make 1.50 a hour. And then went on to say that when he sees them lined up ready to work thear are no americans ther. That is because most americans will not work for a 1.50. So who do u think will get the job. A mexican who will work for nothing or a american who wants a fair pay for work. And as for all the talk about us coming over from england and taking the land from the indians. Look at the indians now. Is that wher we are heading. When are ancesters came over they fought for the land and are freadom. Are the illegals going to fight us for it? No we will just let them in. At leat the indians fought. I have no problem with legal imagrents i have 3 on my crew at work. They get paid just like the rest of us. But if my company started to hire illegals for a 1.50 a hour why whould the need me. WAKE UP AMERICA

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#117 Consumer Suggestion

What A Sermon!

AUTHOR: Pastor Dave - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Monday, August 11, 2003

Kathryn,

Your love for the adelphos and your grasp of the Hieros Graphe moves me.

Comprehendo?

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#116 Consumer Comment

Pastor ,You are Dead Wrong and Need to Read Your Bible!

AUTHOR: Kathyrn - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Friday, August 08, 2003

To the Supposed Pastor,

My bible says to love thy neighbor!

To feed the hungry and to visit the sick!

If you have not love for the brethern, then you know not God.



I don't know where you are coming from but one thing I know for sure ,you had better go back and read the Bible.

I know one thing as a Christian and that is if I will try to help others,God will help me.

God has never failed me when I offer a hand to someone in need.



Maybe you should try it some time!

God is no respector of person,so if your going to bring him into it then you better make sure your doing and saying the right thing as a Pastor.



Does God not love the Mexican people as much as anyone?



The answer is yes.What would he say to you about your attitude?



I can't believe anyone that would call themselves a pastor and then say ,things like you have said.



I am ashamed that you call yourself a Pastor.

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#115 Consumer Comment

Sorry If I gave The Wrong Impression !!

AUTHOR: David - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Friday, August 08, 2003

I certainly hope that none of the readers come to the conclusion that I think Columbus is somehow worse of than L.A.

It definitely is not.

By the way, yes, I am a Pastor.

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#114 Consumer Suggestion

We Arizonans have to tolerate the illegals every day....

AUTHOR: Kim - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Thursday, August 07, 2003

I have lived out here for most of my life and every single day I drive by my local convenience store for my coffee where in front of Quik Trip there is usally a flood of migtant workers waiting to be picked up for work.



If any of you guys have actually seen where these people come from, most of Mexico is a complete SHITHOLE, especially Rocky Point. Many people there do not have autos, they live in complete shacks for housing, and they make $50.00 a month. Much of the $$ these people earn gets sent back to Mexico to support their families. Mexicans out here in AZ make about 10 times what they do in Mexico. It is their choice to come out here and work. Most live in nasty parts of town and just make a dump of whatever neighborhood they live in, so if they weren't allowed in the states in the first place, normal apartment occupancy would be back to normal.



There are legal immigrants out here that do much of the work anyways.



The border crossers that get sick or injured or even die, their families are actually trying to sue the US gov't for not having water stations-in the middle of nowhere to save them. Forget the fact that common sense would prevent most people from crossing a desolate desert in 110 degrees anyways.



What needs to be cracked down on, are the coyotes that are smuggling the people over here. They often demand thousands of dollars to help them cross and often, the people get abandoned in the middle of the desert, left to die because of a greedy coyote. Also on a daily basis, there is a rash of immigrant kidnappings, by legal and illegal immigrants that hold these illegals ransom and threaten lives until they are paid thousands of dollars, which the immigrant also does not have.



Our hospitals out here lose MILLIONS each year because of the high rate of illegals that come inand get treated and make no payment. They cannot turn people away, so they treat them and never get $$. Tax payers pay for their treatments and babies they have. Tons of mexican pregnant women sneak over the border to have their kids and once their child is born here they are a legal citizen, leaving AZ taxpayers to foot the bill.



Also, Jane Hull has passed, or is about to pass, allowing illegals to get drivers licenses!! You know what that means, Yep, them driving around in uninsured vehicles. Many of the hit and runs out here, some even fatal, are by immigrants, afraid to be deported, or running because they have no insurance. Almost daily an Arizonan is injured or killed from a hit and run. AZ does have one of the highest hit and run ratios in the nation, along with the highest rate of auto insurance.



So the illegals causes their share of problems. they are coming here to work and if they don't like it, they are free to return to Mexico where conditions are worse.

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#113 Consumer Comment

Pastor Dave?

AUTHOR: The One You Love To Hate - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Thursday, August 07, 2003

You call yourself a pastor? You speak as if you are an expert in the subject.



1. You don't know what you are talking about.

2. Your information is coming from second hand sources. Things can be said to you & you will obviously believe it huh?

3. Columbus is not just one little dot on the map of the US/Mexican border. YOU are a little dot in Columbus.



I don't mean to be a pain in the a*s or sound like an a**hole, but shouldn't we be doing something to help with the situation or should I start talking about all the white crack head mothers who are leaving their children at home alone while they go earn some money selling their a*s on the corner. Yeah. Let us do that. We will get nowhere. Oh & I also live in Oz a.k.a. Los Angeles. I invite you to come here for a first hand look at what real problems are.



A Pastor huh?.........I'm sorry. But I have lost the faith. I have lived to much reality.

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#112 Consumer Comment

Talking about...

AUTHOR: Nicole - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Thursday, July 31, 2003

... did not California belong once to the United Mexican States?



Dave, are you really a pastor?



Tristan, if you still read this - does the Arribas Corazones organization have a website? Are you organized all over the US or only locally?

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#111 Consumer Comment

First Hand Knowledge

AUTHOR: Pastor Dave - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Thursday, July 24, 2003

I am Pastor and Village Trustee in a small little community in southern New Mexico (3 miles from the Mexican border). When my wife and I moved to Columbus 5 years ago, we had very little knowledge of the epidemic of illegal immigration that is slowly killing this country.

However, we have come to realize that our borders must be secured if this nation is to survive.



Let me give you some examples that I have seen firsthand with my own eyes.



1. Only three weeks ago, a number of illegals walked through my property. (This happens quite often). A short time later a local border patrol agent stopped by my home, asking if I had spotted any illegals. We talked for a few moments and he told me that the Border Patrol catches 100 illegals per day on average in tiny Columbus alone.



2. The population of Columbus has almost doubled in the past five years from 1000 residents to 1800 residents. I attribute much of this growth to an influx of "coyotes" and "safe houses". The city of Palomas,Chi. Mexico, only 4 miles to the south provides the perfect staging area. On any given day, hundreds of Mexican nationals can be seen on the streets of Palomas, waiting for their chance to invade the United States.



3. Perhaps one of the greatest travisties has to do with our local ambulance service. Because our local EMS is funded primarily with Federal and State grant monies, they are required by law to respond to the local border crossing to any emergency call made by the INS. Believe me, those calls have been numerous over the years. Mexican nationals go to the INS office and state that they have an emergency. With little triage protocol, the INS calls 911. The Columbus EMS responds and then transports the patient to the nearest hospital in Deming,NM, 30 miles to the north. The hospital in turn treats the patient free of charge. Many of those patients are pregnant mothers who have their babies in the US. Those babies are therefore, US CITIZENS. I was recently informed that the city of Palomas, Mexico (pop. approx. 20,000) now has over 50% of its' residents holding US citizenship as a result of this fiasco on the border.



4. The children in Palomas holding US citizenship have the right by law to be educated in the United States. We have an elementary school here in Columbus overflowing with children who live in Mexico. When they graduate to junior and senior high school, the Deming,NM school system then sends several (I don't know exactly how many) buses 35 miles south to the border every school-day morning and afternoon to transport the children. Who knows what this is costing the taxpayers of America? Who knows just how detremental it is to the quality of education in our schools?



Believe me I could go on and on. I invite anyone living in the land of OZ to come down here and stay a few days. I would be happy to give you a first hand tour.



I am sure that some will say that I am an insensitive racist. Say what you will, I am not.

I am, however, a realist and I know that our government has the responsibility to protect the soverignty of this nation. I am also convinced that unless this problem is alleviated soon, there will be a tremendous price to pay in the future. Remember, Columbus is just one little dot on the map of the US/Mexican border. I shudder to think of the events taking place in other towns like El Paso, Nogales, Douglas, etc.



I will say this also, US Citizens who employ, transport, and harbor these people are illegals themselves. Whether they use illegal immigrants to work in the fields or use them to clean the State House, they are breaking the law and they should be prosecuted. Come to think of it, they should be deported right alongside the people they have used.

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#110 Consumer Comment

This problem is not limited to the southwest!

AUTHOR: Tim - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Tuesday, July 22, 2003

Clinton... this issue is not limited to the southwest of the country, and I don't talk my talk simply because I feel I need to "put my two cents in." In fact, the population of the community I live in, the "blueberry capital of the world", in West Michigan, nearly doubles in the warmer months due to a huge influx of immigrants harvesting blueberries. Most of them are legal, many of them are not. I have visited the camps and seen the squalid conditions. I have seen children playing in a septic tank overflow as if it were a swimming pool. I have seen small mobile homes with as many as seventeen people living in them, they are a mere few blocks from my house. Down the road there is a small building of unfinished plywood that houses several families.



As a student of sociology, I recognize that these people are the lucky ones. They have work, and although said work involves toiling in toxic pesticides, herbicides and fertilizers from sun-up to sundown, they are living the "Mexican dream." Regardless of what they may have to go through, they know that at least their most basic needs of survival will be met by their employers and local community service agencies. I also recognize that those who are attempting to acheive even this modest lifestyle face even more danger and exploitation. A great example is the recent discovery of a tractor-trailer full of Mexican emmigrants at a Texas rest stop, several of whom had died from suffocation or dehydration.



Regardless of how you feel about this issue, you cannot deny that it affects us on a national level. If my opponents are right and immigration is a great threat to our society, then it certainly affects us all. If I am right and we need to stengthen the rights of immigrants, the possible effects on our economy will be felt by all Americans. Either way, immigration and immigrant rights are a concern to all Americans, not just those who live in the southwest. After all, we just fought a war for the human rights of people that don't even live anywhere near here.

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#109 Consumer Comment

This problem is not limited to the southwest!

AUTHOR: Tim - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Tuesday, July 22, 2003

Clinton... this issue is not limited to the southwest of the country, and I don't talk my talk simply because I feel I need to "put my two cents in." In fact, the population of the community I live in, the "blueberry capital of the world", in West Michigan, nearly doubles in the warmer months due to a huge influx of immigrants harvesting blueberries. Most of them are legal, many of them are not. I have visited the camps and seen the squalid conditions. I have seen children playing in a septic tank overflow as if it were a swimming pool. I have seen small mobile homes with as many as seventeen people living in them, they are a mere few blocks from my house. Down the road there is a small building of unfinished plywood that houses several families.



As a student of sociology, I recognize that these people are the lucky ones. They have work, and although said work involves toiling in toxic pesticides, herbicides and fertilizers from sun-up to sundown, they are living the "Mexican dream." Regardless of what they may have to go through, they know that at least their most basic needs of survival will be met by their employers and local community service agencies. I also recognize that those who are attempting to acheive even this modest lifestyle face even more danger and exploitation. A great example is the recent discovery of a tractor-trailer full of Mexican emmigrants at a Texas rest stop, several of whom had died from suffocation or dehydration.



Regardless of how you feel about this issue, you cannot deny that it affects us on a national level. If my opponents are right and immigration is a great threat to our society, then it certainly affects us all. If I am right and we need to stengthen the rights of immigrants, the possible effects on our economy will be felt by all Americans. Either way, immigration and immigrant rights are a concern to all Americans, not just those who live in the southwest. After all, we just fought a war for the human rights of people that don't even live anywhere near here.

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#108 Consumer Comment

This problem is not limited to the southwest!

AUTHOR: Tim - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Tuesday, July 22, 2003

Clinton... this issue is not limited to the southwest of the country, and I don't talk my talk simply because I feel I need to "put my two cents in." In fact, the population of the community I live in, the "blueberry capital of the world", in West Michigan, nearly doubles in the warmer months due to a huge influx of immigrants harvesting blueberries. Most of them are legal, many of them are not. I have visited the camps and seen the squalid conditions. I have seen children playing in a septic tank overflow as if it were a swimming pool. I have seen small mobile homes with as many as seventeen people living in them, they are a mere few blocks from my house. Down the road there is a small building of unfinished plywood that houses several families.



As a student of sociology, I recognize that these people are the lucky ones. They have work, and although said work involves toiling in toxic pesticides, herbicides and fertilizers from sun-up to sundown, they are living the "Mexican dream." Regardless of what they may have to go through, they know that at least their most basic needs of survival will be met by their employers and local community service agencies. I also recognize that those who are attempting to acheive even this modest lifestyle face even more danger and exploitation. A great example is the recent discovery of a tractor-trailer full of Mexican emmigrants at a Texas rest stop, several of whom had died from suffocation or dehydration.



Regardless of how you feel about this issue, you cannot deny that it affects us on a national level. If my opponents are right and immigration is a great threat to our society, then it certainly affects us all. If I am right and we need to stengthen the rights of immigrants, the possible effects on our economy will be felt by all Americans. Either way, immigration and immigrant rights are a concern to all Americans, not just those who live in the southwest. After all, we just fought a war for the human rights of people that don't even live anywhere near here.

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#107 Consumer Comment

This problem is not limited to the southwest!

AUTHOR: Tim - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Tuesday, July 22, 2003

Clinton... this issue is not limited to the southwest of the country, and I don't talk my talk simply because I feel I need to "put my two cents in." In fact, the population of the community I live in, the "blueberry capital of the world", in West Michigan, nearly doubles in the warmer months due to a huge influx of immigrants harvesting blueberries. Most of them are legal, many of them are not. I have visited the camps and seen the squalid conditions. I have seen children playing in a septic tank overflow as if it were a swimming pool. I have seen small mobile homes with as many as seventeen people living in them, they are a mere few blocks from my house. Down the road there is a small building of unfinished plywood that houses several families.



As a student of sociology, I recognize that these people are the lucky ones. They have work, and although said work involves toiling in toxic pesticides, herbicides and fertilizers from sun-up to sundown, they are living the "Mexican dream." Regardless of what they may have to go through, they know that at least their most basic needs of survival will be met by their employers and local community service agencies. I also recognize that those who are attempting to acheive even this modest lifestyle face even more danger and exploitation. A great example is the recent discovery of a tractor-trailer full of Mexican emmigrants at a Texas rest stop, several of whom had died from suffocation or dehydration.



Regardless of how you feel about this issue, you cannot deny that it affects us on a national level. If my opponents are right and immigration is a great threat to our society, then it certainly affects us all. If I am right and we need to stengthen the rights of immigrants, the possible effects on our economy will be felt by all Americans. Either way, immigration and immigrant rights are a concern to all Americans, not just those who live in the southwest. After all, we just fought a war for the human rights of people that don't even live anywhere near here.

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#106 Consumer Comment

Right and Wrong

AUTHOR: Clinton - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Monday, July 07, 2003

I have read the comments all the people have made

on this issue. First off Mexicans who come to this country illegaly are breaking the law.



As i write this many people will say oh yeah he agrees with us send them all home, that is not a point i want to argue. A human is a human no matter what lang.



they talk in. People deserve to be treated in a humane way this reports shows that the Mexicans

that are smugggled in to this country are being

treated no better than slaves.. Any way you look at it's not right. Any one who thinks it's right needs to come here to the valley of the sun and work out side in the summerheat. What i do belive along with many mexicans is the immigration policy in this country needs to be enforced.



Many Mexicans come here legally and it

is not fair that they had to do that work

and others take a short cut.



Many people write who will do the s**t jobs guess what lots of people i'm white and was a jaintor for many years for very little money..I don't need a comments from any people who do not live in the south west to comment. They have no idea what it is like here they just feel the need to put there to cents in..

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#105 Consumer Comment

San Antonio Dr.

AUTHOR: Jasper - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Sunday, July 06, 2003

You claim to be a retired Navy Seal,,,can you back that up or are you on the Wall of Shame? People who claim to be, but actually are just trying to impress someone, for whatever reason?

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#104 Consumer Comment

To all the close minded americans

AUTHOR: Jennifer - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Saturday, June 28, 2003

I still can't get over the things I have read here. The one person who is worried about their children's future. What about my children's future? I hope they never run into any of you who are so racist. Mexican people are on the most part clean people who keep to themselves. I have seen plenty of americans who could use a good shower. Also if you look at the people who are begging on the streets, it isn't Mexican.



Also the situation in Arizona isn't only there. There is rich people in NC who get people brought here legally and tell them they have to work their passageway off. The rich people hold onto the visas while they work for 100 dollars a week working from sunrise to sunset picking tobacco. They are left to live in one house with hardly any food and no way to get to town. Even if they got there they don't have any money. Where is the caring INS to help these people? I can see why they get away with it. Because on the most part we have ignorant americans who do not give a $%#$ about any one else. So before you all look at Mexicans and stuck up your nose at them you better look at yourself and see what you are lacking to not have any compassion for other people.

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#103 Consumer Comment

To anyone bad mouthing Illegal Immigrants and legal immigrants..

AUTHOR: Dr. - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Saturday, May 31, 2003

This is my first time reading so many RACIST comments to immigrants, not including europeans who took this land from the natives. I have not once, heard an anglo speak bad about my race. Is it beacuse they fear me? I guess i should expect comments behind my back, or on a computer screen since some american bigots may think I can't even afford a library pass to use a computer. If your going to post a comment to me you better put your picture on as well so I can remember you if I ever visit your city. (I would so much like to hit you with my Mercades, and by the way I have the money to pay for insurance and good lawyers.) I see many white pre-teen mothherss, and white trash but do you all ever talk about your own race? No you are proud to be white trash. Seeing immigrants and generalizing our character is like us watching the Springer show and seeing all of you who are mostly white as trash. Although I can't beleive someone with an Indian Background would not say the same of white people. Why is it okay for Europeans to steal your land and yet wrong for my race to only want a better life? I visit my country, and I only see anglo in the shopping area never in the broken down homes where Mexican familes call 1 room a house. Go visit a 3rd world country, before you bad talk them. I appreciate my anglo friends here in S.A. Texas, because without their sicknesses and their knocked-up daughters I would not have so much wealth. I also commend some of you true Americans who have put good comments regarding immigration. Lastly, if your comment to me will be about spelling, grammer, pronounciation, etc. sorry I did not have a dictionary handy.



It pains me to read comments from Ignorant so called Americans.



P.S. I am an American Citizen, and a retired Navy Seal, I have fought for this country and have earned the right to be an American.

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To anyone bad mouthing Illegal Immigrants and legal immigrants..

AUTHOR: Dr. - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Saturday, May 31, 2003

This is my first time reading so many RACIST comments to immigrants, not including europeans who took this land from the natives. I have not once, heard an anglo speak bad about my race. Is it beacuse they fear me? I guess i should expect comments behind my back, or on a computer screen since some american bigots may think I can't even afford a library pass to use a computer. If your going to post a comment to me you better put your picture on as well so I can remember you if I ever visit your city. (I would so much like to hit you with my Mercades, and by the way I have the money to pay for insurance and good lawyers.) I see many white pre-teen mothherss, and white trash but do you all ever talk about your own race? No you are proud to be white trash. Seeing immigrants and generalizing our character is like us watching the Springer show and seeing all of you who are mostly white as trash. Although I can't beleive someone with an Indian Background would not say the same of white people. Why is it okay for Europeans to steal your land and yet wrong for my race to only want a better life? I visit my country, and I only see anglo in the shopping area never in the broken down homes where Mexican familes call 1 room a house. Go visit a 3rd world country, before you bad talk them. I appreciate my anglo friends here in S.A. Texas, because without their sicknesses and their knocked-up daughters I would not have so much wealth. I also commend some of you true Americans who have put good comments regarding immigration. Lastly, if your comment to me will be about spelling, grammer, pronounciation, etc. sorry I did not have a dictionary handy.



It pains me to read comments from Ignorant so called Americans.



P.S. I am an American Citizen, and a retired Navy Seal, I have fought for this country and have earned the right to be an American.

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#101 Consumer Comment

Thank You

AUTHOR: L. K. - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Saturday, May 17, 2003

I would like to say "Thank You" for your editorial opinions and research. I am a white anglo american. My husband and I have owned a business for 10 years, and in that time have not been able to employ one single American employee that would show up on time (or at all!), work responsibly or competently.



We had bent over backwards in the past to please our employees, only to have them royally screw us over or steal from us. Then...we decided to take a chance and hire mexican immigrants. (we were afraid to for years because of legalities)The mexican gentlemen we hired have been with us several years now. They have never mssed a single day of work.



They are hard workers and will do whatever it takes to get the job done...they often want to work longer hours then we do! They take great pride in their work and never complain. We pay them extremely well because of our gratitude (more then we would ever pay a skilled union worker!) and because of this, they are able to support themselves and their families in Mexico. We have rented an apartment for them to live in (that I myself wouldn't mind living in!) purchased them cell phones and pick them up and drive them home from work every day.



It saddens me that they are unable to buy a car or get a drivers license or lead "normal" lives because they are considered "illegally" here. They should be able to live proudly and openly without constant fear of being sent away. The money they earn, they more then deserve. Our business could not have survived without them and we are deeply grateful for them.



The spoiled rotten youth of today could learn alot from our mexican employees. Mexicans are willing to work to succeed and do not expect anything to be handed to them. They deserve health care and benefits open to americans. They deserve better...

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AUTHOR: Sta!n - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Wednesday, May 14, 2003

You know what Tim your right. Telling people to get out of this country (that I risked my life for in the Marines) because thier views are different IS wrong. But im sick and tired of people putting down our wonderful country because there are a few things wrong with it. Arent you?? all i hear about is complaining and no one is doing s**t about it.



What can we really do about it anyways? Stop eating fruits and Veggies? C'mon now. Those people may live in bad conditions on the farms but ive known those people and they seem pretty happy go lucky to me.



Ive even known some illegals in the Military. Thats just the way the world is. Some got it good some have it better and some have some shitty a*s luck. People from all backrounds have givin thier lives for this counrty for hundreds of years so that we can have a better life. People here have a better life if thier illegal or not.



Better to live in a shack in the U.S. then live in a shack in some 3rd world country.

That is a fact!!

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#99 Consumer Comment

Time to grow up... I think the time to stop the freaking finger pointing is now.

AUTHOR: FRANK - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Tuesday, May 13, 2003

Hey everyone. I think the time to stop the freaking finger pointing is now. I'm a Mexican who grew up in this wonderful nation. I love this country & respect it. Yes I did come here illegaly & am now a legal resident working on my citizenship. I came to this country at the age of 2. I'm 30 now & still striving to become the best I can. I truly beleive in the statement " America, love it or leave it ". I love it. I'm staying.



I never heard much on the situation in Meza, Arizona. If it's true then it angers me. My father has worked very hard for me & my siblings. He has worked 2-3 jobs working long hours for us to have a better life. My mother puts in 12hr days. They gave it all for us so we can go on to college & not have to suffer how they suffered in Mexico. There are alot of good mexican immigrants that come to this great country for one reason. For their kids. f**k the ones that come here to ruin it. I have no pity for the ones in jail, selling drugs to our children, prostituting, & gang bangers. If you committ a felony you should be sent back. Lose your rights to remain here. I don't care. Follow the laws. Mariachi music is great. But not at 1:00am when there are people who have to get up in the morning to go to church the next day. How about the contributions now. Don't tell me you don't love mexican food :).........C'mon people. We need to live in peace. I'm also tired of reading about this topic & 9/11 always seems to be brought up. I cried that day. I spent 8 1/2 hrs in line that day to donate blood. Mexicans had no part in 9/11.



I'm very sure that there are terrorists living in this great nation right now just waiting & planning on how & when to strike. THAT my friends is what we should be more attentive on. Not bashing on Mexicans. Also, I have alot of family here. I have not seen one of them on Welfare or Unemployment. They all work & go to school. I don't know of anyone at all actually on welfare.



For those of you who say we are taking your jobs. Come see me. I'll GIVE you my job. Don't you get it. The only way to solve this problem is to work together. Oh. & Stain. Remember there is ALWAYS someone bigger & badder than you. I would love for you to try & beat the s**t out of me. We live in the same town so why not. But that's not the point. The point is that you cannot think you are a bad a*s. I know plenty of guys who are just waiting for someone like you. Any how. I have lots to say but I need to go now cause that Lakers are about to kick the Spurs a*s.........

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To my dear friend Stain

AUTHOR: Tim - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Saturday, May 10, 2003

I love my country very much. I love the fact that in my country I can engage in a reasoned and informed debate on such topics as illegal immigration, and I love the fact that even if my opinions go against the grain I have a right to present them.



I even love the fact that freedom of speech is such an important aspect of our nation that even people with nothing worthwhile to say get to be heard. My belief in frededom of speech is strong enough to prevent me from even considering suggesting that people leave my country because they disagree with me.



Stain, what you are all about is not what our beautiful country is all about. If you are of the opinion that people who don't like our government and its policies should get the hell out, then you are about as un-American as they come. The essence of American patriotism is not blind allegiance and unquestioning faith in our policies, it is continual vigilance.



If you wish to live in a society where opinions that differ from yours are supressed, and where those who would question social policies are silenced, I suggest you look into Cuba or North Korea, because that's not what America's all about (actually, Cuba might be a bit too diverse for your tastes). But, as far as I'm concerned, you're welcome to stay here.



Might I add, Stain, that the operator of this website has opinions that differ from yours on this topic. Has our friend the EDitor asked you to leave the country? Has he even suggested that your contributions to his site are not welcome? I would imagine the answer to both is no, because he recognizes that everybody's viewpoint is worth considering. I suggest you look into this idea, it's called "open-mindedness."



Stain, if you have anything worthwhile to say I welcome the opportunity for reasoned discussion. Even if you have something that's not worthwhile to say, go ahead and say it, its your right, and I'm confident you'll take advantage of it.

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What up George and Tim

AUTHOR: Sta!n - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Friday, May 09, 2003

Whats up George and Tim. Why are you so hateful? Maybe you should hook up with Tim and let him give you alitte BJ. Sounds to me like he loves that Mexican meat. I think that if you dont like the place you live you shoud GET THE F#*&K OUT!! Stop complaining. Just do all us hard working americans a favor and leave.

Go throw your PITTY PARTY in Mexico.

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What up George and Tim

AUTHOR: Sta!n - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Friday, May 09, 2003

Whats up George and Tim. Why are you so hateful? Maybe you should hook up with Tim and let him give you alitte BJ. Sounds to me like he loves that Mexican meat. I think that if you dont like the place you live you shoud GET THE F#*&K OUT!! Stop complaining. Just do all us hard working americans a favor and leave.

Go throw your PITTY PARTY in Mexico.

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What up George and Tim

AUTHOR: Sta!n - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Friday, May 09, 2003

Whats up George and Tim. Why are you so hateful? Maybe you should hook up with Tim and let him give you alitte BJ. Sounds to me like he loves that Mexican meat. I think that if you dont like the place you live you shoud GET THE F#*&K OUT!! Stop complaining. Just do all us hard working americans a favor and leave.

Go throw your PITTY PARTY in Mexico.

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What up George and Tim

AUTHOR: Sta!n - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Friday, May 09, 2003

Whats up George and Tim. Why are you so hateful? Maybe you should hook up with Tim and let him give you alitte BJ. Sounds to me like he loves that Mexican meat. I think that if you dont like the place you live you shoud GET THE F#*&K OUT!! Stop complaining. Just do all us hard working americans a favor and leave.

Go throw your PITTY PARTY in Mexico.

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#93 Consumer Comment

Our info is coming from the same source

AUTHOR: Tim - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Monday, May 05, 2003

Vinyard... I've been trying to reconcile this dillemma for a few days now. My information on the number of minorities in the legal profession also comes from the LSAC. The actual average minority enrollment percentage in American law schools is a hair under 20 percent (it should be noted, however, that the mean would be significantly less than that because there are a few schools that are over 90 percent black). Minority presence in the legal field, however, is about 7 percent. One factor that would bring the numbers closer together would be that asians are counted as minorities in law schools, but not in the legal profession. Keep in mind that even at 20 percent, minorities are still underrepresented in law schools.



I am in favor of affirmative action, but I admit that it is by no means a flawless system. There has been discussion about modifying affirmative action programs to benefit the impoverished people of all races. Lots of white kids go to bad schools, and some minority kids get to go to good schools. A sytem based on economic rather than racial characteristics would probably be much better than what we have now.

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#92 Consumer Comment

For goodness sake people!

AUTHOR: Bett - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Monday, May 05, 2003

It's sad this long coversation started due to some Mexican immigrants.Personally, I am an Immigrant from a totally different part of the world.I love America with all my heart for what it has provided for me that i couldn't get back at home. I therefore understands what "God Bless America" Means!



First, why only Mexicans? I thought there were many "illegal Immigrants" from all over the world. In Miami we have a "small Haiti" and a Large Cuban Community.There's tons of South Americans, Europeans, Asians and Indians(from Asia).



Like Sandra said, America is the land of the free. It's sad that such hatred shown earlier in this discussion is brewed in people's hearts. Come on now, America is blessed to have so much that other contries don't have. Whats wrong with sharing it with the less fortunate? Yeah, it's wrong for the crimes that these people commit. But other Americans commit terrible and senseless crimes too. Let the law punish the wrong doers as required. If you have a heart you'll feel for these people when you see where they are coming from.



Vinyard had some bright Ideas also. People should come in the right way. We should all live like one nation and not Spanish, French, German etc. Lets try and brush the hatred away. Some heart aches are not worth it. Don't let people bother you because you have a grudge against their race. Get to know people as individuals, you will notice a difference!!!

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Further explanation needed

AUTHOR: Vinyard - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Sunday, April 27, 2003

Tim, this is a quote from your rebuttal:



" .... Affirmative action in law schools has been around for decades, but no single minority can boast more than a four percent representation in the field of law. Minorities as a whole account for only seven percent of lawyers in the U.S., even though they represent about 30 percent of the general population. Even with affirmative action, minorities are still underrepresented by about 75 percent in the field of law, and whites are overrepresented by about 23 percent .... "



Unless I am misunderstanding something, there seems to be a big discrepancy here. I just reviewed the minority student body statistics as reported by LSAC. Although it is hard to tell being that there are 186 ABA law schools, it appears that the average law school minority rate is somewhere about 25%, maybe more.



If this is accurate, or even close to accurate, why do minorities account for only 7% of the legal population? If affirmative action has been around for decades, this would be proof that it is failing miserably.



If minorities represent say 20-30% of the law school student body, but only 7% of the legal community, many of these affirmative action students must not have been qualified for admissions. Otherwise, more minority students would be completing the law programs they were admitted to. As a result, minority representation would be much higher than 7%.



Something is wrong here; maybe you can clarify. As of now, it appears to me that the minority law students must be failing or dropping out. If that is the case, I wouldn't be surprised. When you admit people based on skin color, not qualifications, such an event is bound to occur.



Either way, affirmative action is wrong! To give someone preference based on skin color alone, is discrimination. Let's not give it a fancy name. We will not become a truly united nation until all discrimination is ended, and all groups are judged on their qualifications; not their race or sex.

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Stop the invasion ..If we wish for a free, safe, and prosperous future for our children, we must put an end to illegal immigration.

AUTHOR: Vinyard - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Monday, April 21, 2003

In 1992 the United States Census Bureau reported racial populations as follows:

* 75 percent = White

* 12 percent = Black

* 9 percent = Hispanic

* 3 percent = Asian

* 1 percent = Native



It is estimated that by no later than 2050, the population will be as follows:

* 53 percent = White

* 21 percent = Hispanic

* 15 percent = Black

* 10 percent = Asian

* 1 percent = Native



Source:

Berkowitz, E. (1996). Essentials of Health Care Marketing. Maryland: Aspen Publications.



After viewing these statistics, it is obvious that the current southern invasion needs to be stopped immediately; before we become the minorities. Even if Hispanic illegals are not presently taking the jobs everyday Americans want, they eventually will be. More importantly, if the Hispanic population in the United States eventually increases by 12 percent to reach 21 percent, more than just our jobs will be in jeopardy. Since Hispanic populations are generally poor, our health care and welfare systems will become drained. This could drastically effect how much money will be available for our retired citizenry.



It is unlikely that illegal Hispanic immigrants will ever really make significant positive contributions to the United States. This is for a variety of reasons, but mainly because their loyalties are not with us. Instead, they are more loyal to the home lands that they deserted. Additionally, the average Hispanic IQ is approximately 10 points lower than the average white IQ. This means that the illegal Hispanic invaders will not have to cognitive abilities necessary to effectively perform the jobs that they will be stealing. In turn, the U.S. workforce will become inefficient; further draining the economy. It is argued that these IQ tests are culturally biased, but the Asian population's exceptional performance on the tests disproves this theory.



In addition to the aforementioned factors, the crime rate is much higher among the Hispanic population. This may not seem like a big deal now, but if Hispanics were to represent 21 percent of this country, people would begin to notice the difference. The liberals, who now support illegal immigration, will eventually see what drastic errors in judgment they made. When U.S. prisons become even more overcrowded due to the increases in crime rates and levels of violence, everyone will be wishing that we closed our southern border when we had the chance. This is because increases in crime rates and prison populations will do more than just affect our safety; they will add significant strain to our economy.



What's more is that such a dramatic population shift would greatly affect an already flawed college admissions process. Today, minority groups are given a lot of preference in college admissions; all in the name of diversity. In fact, they are given so much preference that they are often times over represented. This can be partially verified by comparing the Law School Admissions Council's student body statistics with those listed above. This shows that colleges have begun to dumb down the standards for minorities; thereby making it even more difficult for white male applicants. The same holds true for employment; minorities and sometimes even women, are held to lesser standards. If you think it is bad now, just imagine how bad it will be if the Hispanic population reaches 21 percent. If such a population shift occurs, it will become near impossible for whites to gain decent employment and/or admissions into top tier colleges.



If we wish for a free, safe, and prosperous future for our children, we must put an end to illegal immigration. We must also put an end to the free hand-outs that illegal immigrants receive. By offering even small benefits (in excess of basic human rights), we are enticing immigrants to enter illegally. More importantly though, we must all identify ourselves as American; not African, Greek or Hispanic American, just American. Likewise, all of us, regardless of religion, race, sex, etc, should speak the same language, and be held to the exact same standards. Whether it is with employment or college admissions, the most qualified applicant should be selected. Anything else will just foster more hatred, and encourage separation.



Finally, if immigration must occur, it must be done so legally. We must only allow entrance to foreign groups when they wish to enter legally, officially become U.S. citizens, follow our rules, and identify as American. This legal immigration process should include nothing less than full character and fitness background checks. Such checks should include necessities such as mental health and psychological testing, and criminal history clearances. By taking these measures, we would be helping to maintain a safe, diverse, and prosperous nation. Anything less will endanger the future of America.

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Wow this has been a long conversation

AUTHOR: Tamika - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Sunday, April 20, 2003

As a multi-racial woman (black, german, french, italien,s eminole, irish and welsh)who was raised christian but is now muslim (not osama type nor am i liberal) my parents have been here for at least three generations. my father is the black, seminole and french from mobile, AL. my mother the european mish-mash :) all races can be traced (and have) my paternal grandmother grew up on a reservation she is 100% seminole. she says it don't matter a persons race only their worth as a person. with worth being determined by integrity, loyalty and honesty. she could go on about it, but i am sure she has seen more anguish than most of us could imagine at the hands of illegal immigrants. whether they have stolen the land, chartered it, bought it or became naturalized citizens. yes illegal immigrants you know them well. most of our ancestors. the colonial pioneers. the mayflower people. they are so proud of their heritage. so proud they claimed a holiday for christopher coloumbus who discoverd this "new world" . just a thought if i came to your house because they persecute me religiously in GA. I decide i like your house your family got to go and now that i think about it all your people got to go. i'll push you far as i can. then i will declare a "new land" and invite all my people to take over and call it oh who cares ...does that make it my country,city or state? hello!!! if you lived there it is your house i have discovered nothing so i own nothing. unless you sell, are you selling? of course not so lets not ride on our american high horses because we have social freedoms and forget where we come from. it has been the blood sweat and tears of many races of people to include black,oriental,hispanic and anglo slaves that built this country. now if the hispanics (not just mexicans i am from the north the PR's and others hold on too) let up a little on their culture and embrace this "new land" we all could be a little better. no one says forget and assimilate just adapt. it makes no sense that the minority rules . you learn english, english speaking american citizens learning spanish to live and work in an english speaking country is just plain outlandish. it is called diversity why do only non-spanish speakers need to be diverse? it is not about the food (pickers etc and ecomony) last time i checked obesity is rising in america. stop hating on illegal immigrants and start lobbying our government to teach them english or make it neccesary to get any legal documentation. for my immigrant brothers and sisters it is ridiculous to be here for more then 2 years and not speak english. maybe you really should go home where you will be more comfotable. since even learning our language is "cramping your style". about the music who cares what a person listens to i don't listen to music at all mariachi or other but playing it loudly, partying late and otherwise disturbing the peace is just rude. being multi-racial i can see why people could misunderstand many races. it is no reason to be mean and harbor hatred. this country was formed by hard working people of all races long ago and today. our system is not perfect but it is american we love ya, we argue, we fight, we feed ya, we hold out a sholder, and then love ya again. In the end amercans have no real ancestors we all come from somewhere else we are our own tribe this is our village and the gates are always open .really guys and gals you know they always have been.

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Wow this has been a long conversation

AUTHOR: Tamika - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Sunday, April 20, 2003

As a multi-racial woman (black, german, french, italien,s eminole, irish and welsh)who was raised christian but is now muslim (not osama type nor am i liberal) my parents have been here for at least three generations. my father is the black, seminole and french from mobile, AL. my mother the european mish-mash :) all races can be traced (and have) my paternal grandmother grew up on a reservation she is 100% seminole. she says it don't matter a persons race only their worth as a person. with worth being determined by integrity, loyalty and honesty. she could go on about it, but i am sure she has seen more anguish than most of us could imagine at the hands of illegal immigrants. whether they have stolen the land, chartered it, bought it or became naturalized citizens. yes illegal immigrants you know them well. most of our ancestors. the colonial pioneers. the mayflower people. they are so proud of their heritage. so proud they claimed a holiday for christopher coloumbus who discoverd this "new world" . just a thought if i came to your house because they persecute me religiously in GA. I decide i like your house your family got to go and now that i think about it all your people got to go. i'll push you far as i can. then i will declare a "new land" and invite all my people to take over and call it oh who cares ...does that make it my country,city or state? hello!!! if you lived there it is your house i have discovered nothing so i own nothing. unless you sell, are you selling? of course not so lets not ride on our american high horses because we have social freedoms and forget where we come from. it has been the blood sweat and tears of many races of people to include black,oriental,hispanic and anglo slaves that built this country. now if the hispanics (not just mexicans i am from the north the PR's and others hold on too) let up a little on their culture and embrace this "new land" we all could be a little better. no one says forget and assimilate just adapt. it makes no sense that the minority rules . you learn english, english speaking american citizens learning spanish to live and work in an english speaking country is just plain outlandish. it is called diversity why do only non-spanish speakers need to be diverse? it is not about the food (pickers etc and ecomony) last time i checked obesity is rising in america. stop hating on illegal immigrants and start lobbying our government to teach them english or make it neccesary to get any legal documentation. for my immigrant brothers and sisters it is ridiculous to be here for more then 2 years and not speak english. maybe you really should go home where you will be more comfotable. since even learning our language is "cramping your style". about the music who cares what a person listens to i don't listen to music at all mariachi or other but playing it loudly, partying late and otherwise disturbing the peace is just rude. being multi-racial i can see why people could misunderstand many races. it is no reason to be mean and harbor hatred. this country was formed by hard working people of all races long ago and today. our system is not perfect but it is american we love ya, we argue, we fight, we feed ya, we hold out a sholder, and then love ya again. In the end amercans have no real ancestors we all come from somewhere else we are our own tribe this is our village and the gates are always open .really guys and gals you know they always have been.

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Wow this has been a long conversation

AUTHOR: Tamika - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Sunday, April 20, 2003

As a multi-racial woman (black, german, french, italien,s eminole, irish and welsh)who was raised christian but is now muslim (not osama type nor am i liberal) my parents have been here for at least three generations. my father is the black, seminole and french from mobile, AL. my mother the european mish-mash :) all races can be traced (and have) my paternal grandmother grew up on a reservation she is 100% seminole. she says it don't matter a persons race only their worth as a person. with worth being determined by integrity, loyalty and honesty. she could go on about it, but i am sure she has seen more anguish than most of us could imagine at the hands of illegal immigrants. whether they have stolen the land, chartered it, bought it or became naturalized citizens. yes illegal immigrants you know them well. most of our ancestors. the colonial pioneers. the mayflower people. they are so proud of their heritage. so proud they claimed a holiday for christopher coloumbus who discoverd this "new world" . just a thought if i came to your house because they persecute me religiously in GA. I decide i like your house your family got to go and now that i think about it all your people got to go. i'll push you far as i can. then i will declare a "new land" and invite all my people to take over and call it oh who cares ...does that make it my country,city or state? hello!!! if you lived there it is your house i have discovered nothing so i own nothing. unless you sell, are you selling? of course not so lets not ride on our american high horses because we have social freedoms and forget where we come from. it has been the blood sweat and tears of many races of people to include black,oriental,hispanic and anglo slaves that built this country. now if the hispanics (not just mexicans i am from the north the PR's and others hold on too) let up a little on their culture and embrace this "new land" we all could be a little better. no one says forget and assimilate just adapt. it makes no sense that the minority rules . you learn english, english speaking american citizens learning spanish to live and work in an english speaking country is just plain outlandish. it is called diversity why do only non-spanish speakers need to be diverse? it is not about the food (pickers etc and ecomony) last time i checked obesity is rising in america. stop hating on illegal immigrants and start lobbying our government to teach them english or make it neccesary to get any legal documentation. for my immigrant brothers and sisters it is ridiculous to be here for more then 2 years and not speak english. maybe you really should go home where you will be more comfotable. since even learning our language is "cramping your style". about the music who cares what a person listens to i don't listen to music at all mariachi or other but playing it loudly, partying late and otherwise disturbing the peace is just rude. being multi-racial i can see why people could misunderstand many races. it is no reason to be mean and harbor hatred. this country was formed by hard working people of all races long ago and today. our system is not perfect but it is american we love ya, we argue, we fight, we feed ya, we hold out a sholder, and then love ya again. In the end amercans have no real ancestors we all come from somewhere else we are our own tribe this is our village and the gates are always open .really guys and gals you know they always have been.

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Wow this has been a long conversation

AUTHOR: Tamika - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Sunday, April 20, 2003

As a multi-racial woman (black, german, french, italien,s eminole, irish and welsh)who was raised christian but is now muslim (not osama type nor am i liberal) my parents have been here for at least three generations. my father is the black, seminole and french from mobile, AL. my mother the european mish-mash :) all races can be traced (and have) my paternal grandmother grew up on a reservation she is 100% seminole. she says it don't matter a persons race only their worth as a person. with worth being determined by integrity, loyalty and honesty. she could go on about it, but i am sure she has seen more anguish than most of us could imagine at the hands of illegal immigrants. whether they have stolen the land, chartered it, bought it or became naturalized citizens. yes illegal immigrants you know them well. most of our ancestors. the colonial pioneers. the mayflower people. they are so proud of their heritage. so proud they claimed a holiday for christopher coloumbus who discoverd this "new world" . just a thought if i came to your house because they persecute me religiously in GA. I decide i like your house your family got to go and now that i think about it all your people got to go. i'll push you far as i can. then i will declare a "new land" and invite all my people to take over and call it oh who cares ...does that make it my country,city or state? hello!!! if you lived there it is your house i have discovered nothing so i own nothing. unless you sell, are you selling? of course not so lets not ride on our american high horses because we have social freedoms and forget where we come from. it has been the blood sweat and tears of many races of people to include black,oriental,hispanic and anglo slaves that built this country. now if the hispanics (not just mexicans i am from the north the PR's and others hold on too) let up a little on their culture and embrace this "new land" we all could be a little better. no one says forget and assimilate just adapt. it makes no sense that the minority rules . you learn english, english speaking american citizens learning spanish to live and work in an english speaking country is just plain outlandish. it is called diversity why do only non-spanish speakers need to be diverse? it is not about the food (pickers etc and ecomony) last time i checked obesity is rising in america. stop hating on illegal immigrants and start lobbying our government to teach them english or make it neccesary to get any legal documentation. for my immigrant brothers and sisters it is ridiculous to be here for more then 2 years and not speak english. maybe you really should go home where you will be more comfotable. since even learning our language is "cramping your style". about the music who cares what a person listens to i don't listen to music at all mariachi or other but playing it loudly, partying late and otherwise disturbing the peace is just rude. being multi-racial i can see why people could misunderstand many races. it is no reason to be mean and harbor hatred. this country was formed by hard working people of all races long ago and today. our system is not perfect but it is american we love ya, we argue, we fight, we feed ya, we hold out a sholder, and then love ya again. In the end amercans have no real ancestors we all come from somewhere else we are our own tribe this is our village and the gates are always open .really guys and gals you know they always have been.

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You're twisting my words Mario, and it's not gonna fly

AUTHOR: Tim - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Thursday, April 10, 2003

Mario, you seem to have had a hard time understanding what I was saying. I said that 90 percent of PhD holders have liberal tendencies. I did not say that 90 percent of liberals have PhDs. Please don't even try to argue with me if you're not going to pay attention to what I'm actually saying.



It all comes down to critical and analytical thinking skills. If you take the time to research this subject and see what qualified people have concluded based on their own nonbiased academic research you will find that the situation is quite different from what you're seeing on Fox News. If the only research you are willing to do is listening to Bill O'Reilly on the way home from work then I am not interested in wasting my time arguing with you, because you do not have facts, you have rhetoric, which is worthless and dangerous.



Jackie... your comments are definitely in the top five of the most ignorant, arrogant and tasteless things that I have ever heard. Your time may be better spent in some Klan chatroom than coming on here and flaunting your stupidity. First off, this notion of large groups of Mexicans driving around in crappy cars is a stereotype I thought most people abandoned by the time they finished third grade, but if your sole source of literature is "Truly Tasteless Jokes" then I can see how you would come to such a viewpoint. Second, this idea of mexicans risking their vehicles and their personal safety just to drive your '03 Explorer (and yes, we are all very impressed with what a nice car you have) off the road has got to be one of the most ridiculous things I have ever heard, to allege that it is a widespread problem makes me wonder if you had a section of your brain removed.



Would you like to know why Mexicans are dirty and smelly? Its because they are working their asses off doing the jobs that you would probably never be willing to do (and also because their diets are different from ours, but I don't want to get all scientific on you and end up short circuiting the part of your mind that's left).



If anyone has a well-reasoned argument as to why I am completely wrong in my opinions on this issue I would love to hear it, but I haven't yet. I am always willing to engage in thoughtful discussion and I will respect any opinion that is based in fact. I will not, however, respect opinions based on absurd anecdotes or the uninformed rhetoric of media personalities.

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HEY STAIN....

AUTHOR: George - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Friday, April 04, 2003

Hey STAIN, I would really like to know who you really are and where you live, Because I would really love to beat the s**t STAIN out of you.



The way I see it everyone that has lived or lives here now is an immigrant. Even the drunk welfare grabbing indians came from elsewhere. Everyone has migrated to this country from somewhere else. Like the word "Native Indians" what kind of crap is that, they didn't sprout out of the ground??



Also I would like to add, All you " White people " you pr!cks came from across an ocen when we came from just acroos a river you turd$.

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#83 Consumer Comment

in responce to above

AUTHOR: T - (United Kingdom)

POSTED: Wednesday, March 26, 2003

ok, if you don't want to let people coming in from mexico you must stop americans from going to mexico as well. why should you have the priviledge to go across the border freely when mexicans can't. give me one good reason why an american should be able to study or work abroad at all.



if you are happy where you are that's fine but don't take any opportunity away from other people who deserve better but getting so little.



it is very sad when people can't see good side of things and don't appreciate other culture. if you want to stop calling french fries french fries you should rename everything in spanish as well since you don't like them. or why don't you try and learn native american language, or whatever that is. at the end of the day, english isn't your language, it is the language of england (did you know that?).



you must know where you are coming from.

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#82 Consumer Comment

In Agreement to kick out MEXICANS

AUTHOR: Jackie - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Tuesday, March 25, 2003

I have to agree with most of the comments I've read. Any contact I've had with Mexicans has not been positive. Why is it they are the ones who have terrible body odor? Why do they think that they can ogle me and I won't tell their smelly asses to f@^& off. The last experience I had was when I was driving my new '03 Explorer and a crappy old car filled with at least 8 Mexicans pulled out in front me nearly causing an accident. They do that frequently when they see someone driving an expensive car. They are the problems here. Most of the areas I live in are very nice. Yes, we do have Cubans and other races, but the problem I see is basically with the MEXICANS. They are the only ones living in the shitty part of town, letting their grass die, and grow to be 3'. Let's face it - Mexicans are dirty and they are ruining our society.

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#81 Consumer Comment

In Agreement to kick out MEXICANS

AUTHOR: Jackie - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Tuesday, March 25, 2003

I have to agree with most of the comments I've read. Any contact I've had with Mexicans has not been positive. Why is it they are the ones who have terrible body odor? Why do they think that they can ogle me and I won't tell their smelly asses to f@^& off. The last experience I had was when I was driving my new '03 Explorer and a crappy old car filled with at least 8 Mexicans pulled out in front me nearly causing an accident. They do that frequently when they see someone driving an expensive car. They are the problems here. Most of the areas I live in are very nice. Yes, we do have Cubans and other races, but the problem I see is basically with the MEXICANS. They are the only ones living in the shitty part of town, letting their grass die, and grow to be 3'. Let's face it - Mexicans are dirty and they are ruining our society.

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In Agreement to kick out MEXICANS

AUTHOR: Jackie - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Tuesday, March 25, 2003

I have to agree with most of the comments I've read. Any contact I've had with Mexicans has not been positive. Why is it they are the ones who have terrible body odor? Why do they think that they can ogle me and I won't tell their smelly asses to f@^& off. The last experience I had was when I was driving my new '03 Explorer and a crappy old car filled with at least 8 Mexicans pulled out in front me nearly causing an accident. They do that frequently when they see someone driving an expensive car. They are the problems here. Most of the areas I live in are very nice. Yes, we do have Cubans and other races, but the problem I see is basically with the MEXICANS. They are the only ones living in the shitty part of town, letting their grass die, and grow to be 3'. Let's face it - Mexicans are dirty and they are ruining our society.

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In Agreement to kick out MEXICANS

AUTHOR: Jackie - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Tuesday, March 25, 2003

I have to agree with most of the comments I've read. Any contact I've had with Mexicans has not been positive. Why is it they are the ones who have terrible body odor? Why do they think that they can ogle me and I won't tell their smelly asses to f@^& off. The last experience I had was when I was driving my new '03 Explorer and a crappy old car filled with at least 8 Mexicans pulled out in front me nearly causing an accident. They do that frequently when they see someone driving an expensive car. They are the problems here. Most of the areas I live in are very nice. Yes, we do have Cubans and other races, but the problem I see is basically with the MEXICANS. They are the only ones living in the shitty part of town, letting their grass die, and grow to be 3'. Let's face it - Mexicans are dirty and they are ruining our society.

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#78 Consumer Suggestion

Simple solution

AUTHOR: Dr - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Friday, March 21, 2003

I do have a simple solution for all of the above.



first of all close the borders...I mean seal them tight. Oh sure we may have to lower our standard of living a little but I assure you it will be comfortable.



second.....to all of you native americans....you are a conquered people....you have never been better off so deal with it.



The same paragraph above applies to the former slaves brought to the new world...if it weren't fpr the Arab slavers (let's give credit ehere credit is due) you would still be digging in the earth with sticks.

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#77 Consumer Comment

Immigrations 2

AUTHOR: Sandra - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Thursday, March 20, 2003

I have read everyone's response and agree with some of you. My Opinion:

In order for the world to evolve there are some good people as well as bad people.



In order to understand what is going on in Mesa AZ, the person has to be apart of it or be able to relate.



I live in a small town myself sure we have our share of crime.



Our Federal Government and elected officials lack of concern for the American People is at stake.



We can belly ache all we want but we must remember we elected them to office. If the politician that you elected isn't doing his job then don't re-elect him/her for the next term.

I personally do not trust our Government. As far as the illegal immigrants if they come over to be legal citizens or have legal visas to work I am for it.



But if they come over here to settle and destroy I am not for it.



This is suppose to be the land of the Free. I feel at times that the land of the Free has been taken from us Americans and our Constitution has been done away with.

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#76 Consumer Comment

Most of us have forgotten that our ancestors came from different parts of this world.

AUTHOR: Sandra - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Thursday, March 20, 2003

I am doing a family research study of my ancestors. Most of us have forgotten that our ancestors came from different parts of this world. When our ancestors settled this country we placed the American Indians in reservations. I bet the American Indian wished they had it so easy. Some of us have forgotten our history lessons in school. Even though we have come along way people still have the freedom to settle in America just like our ancestors did. Sure I don't like the thought of people coming here to settle and destroying what our Forefathers have fought to keep America what it is today. It is not the question lets get them out of here. How would we feel if our ancestors were told go back home. Our ancestors did not have any other choice but to live they way they did. Okay I know there is a critic in every corner I would like to hear what you have to say.

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Recall The Cali Govenor

AUTHOR: Mario - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Tuesday, March 18, 2003

True True we do need to do something to better the qaulity of life so people dont have to come here illegaly. hmmmm how about we liberate Iraq?And i also agree that thanks to there hard cheap labor we all pay less for fruits and veggies and other back breaking work that most lazy americans would never do.



But i did notice you dodged my comment about the liberal philibuster.



And im sorry but ALL liberal polititions right now only care about gaining political power back. At any cost.



They are so full of hippocracy it makes me sick.

Where do you get the idea that 90% of liberals have a PHD?



It seems to me that conservatism covers fact.

And liberalism is wishy washy tell them what they wanna hear so we can get the votes idealism.



The conservatives have a plan but the liberals wouldnt pass it.



Theres nothing new in the Liberal scene, no new Daschel idealistic theories that i havent already heard that can easily be rebuttled by fact.



Blow me out of the water? i dont think so.

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Recall The Cali Govenor

AUTHOR: Mario - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Tuesday, March 18, 2003

True True we do need to do something to better the qaulity of life so people dont have to come here illegaly. hmmmm how about we liberate Iraq?And i also agree that thanks to there hard cheap labor we all pay less for fruits and veggies and other back breaking work that most lazy americans would never do.



But i did notice you dodged my comment about the liberal philibuster.



And im sorry but ALL liberal polititions right now only care about gaining political power back. At any cost.



They are so full of hippocracy it makes me sick.

Where do you get the idea that 90% of liberals have a PHD?



It seems to me that conservatism covers fact.

And liberalism is wishy washy tell them what they wanna hear so we can get the votes idealism.



The conservatives have a plan but the liberals wouldnt pass it.



Theres nothing new in the Liberal scene, no new Daschel idealistic theories that i havent already heard that can easily be rebuttled by fact.



Blow me out of the water? i dont think so.

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#73 Consumer Comment

And what have conservatives done to help the situation?

AUTHOR: Tim - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Saturday, March 15, 2003

Mario... if you want to make this a debate about the merits of liberalism I can blow you out of the water. What have conservatives done about the problem other than to gripe about it? I, for one, an extreme liberal, have worked very intensively to insure that minimum standards of living are being met in local immigrant labor camps; have acted as an advocate for battered migrant women; and have done everything in my power to change opinions so that something can be done about the economic structures that perpetuate this problem.



Also, there is a reason that over 90 percent of PhD holders are liberals: liberalism involves critical thinking, whereas conservativism is nothing more than blind allegiance and recitation.



Aside from all of that, I think you and I are somewhat in agreement here. The only way to solve the problems that illegal immigration poses is to change the underlying problems, such as the poor economy in Mexico and the lack of avenues for legitimate entry into our country. Just remember, if we actually wanted to, if the powerholders felt it would be beneficial, we could very easily round up all of our illegals and send them home, and with the money saved by not having to deal with them we could step up border enforcement and ensure that they didn't get back in. We don't do this, however, because as I've stated time and time again illegal immigrants are an economic asset, not an economic liability.



Furthermore, do any of you people actually realize how much we spend on these issues? The management of illegal immigrant problems in our country represents a tiny, tiny portion of our economy. If you want our government to stop wasting money, start a recall drive of our president.

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#72 Consumer Comment

What are you simpathisers doing to better the quality of the lives of the people in Mexico?

AUTHOR: Mario - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Friday, March 14, 2003

If i was a poor mexican here is what i would do.



I WOULD TRY TO COMER HERE LEGALLY LIKE TONS OF OTHER POOR MEXICANS DO!



Its as simple as that. Others have done it for years. what the hell is all this blaming others for the ones that break the laws.



That is typical liberalism. I know tons of people that work for the California Dept of Corrections and every freekin immate in there blames there crimes on someone else. Illegal immagration should be stopped. Lets help these hard working people get here legally so we can prosicute them when the break the law.



The fact of the matter is if you break the law you wave your rights. Being here illegaly is breaking the law.



I dont wanna foot the bill for a lawyer that wants to prosicute the people that hire these people.



what are you simpathisers doing to help the people in Mexico? What are you simpathisers doing to better the quality of the lives of the people in Mexico?



Probably nothing. And that is more typical liberalism. All talk about helping people and they dont do a thing about it.



Whats up with the liberals philabustering the firlst hispanic Supreme Court Judge?

Dont make this a polical issue cause Liberalism is a JOKE!

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What are you simpathisers doing to better the quality of the lives of the people in Mexico?

AUTHOR: Mario - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Friday, March 14, 2003

If i was a poor mexican here is what i would do.



I WOULD TRY TO COMER HERE LEGALLY LIKE TONS OF OTHER POOR MEXICANS DO!



Its as simple as that. Others have done it for years. what the hell is all this blaming others for the ones that break the laws.



That is typical liberalism. I know tons of people that work for the California Dept of Corrections and every freekin immate in there blames there crimes on someone else. Illegal immagration should be stopped. Lets help these hard working people get here legally so we can prosicute them when the break the law.



The fact of the matter is if you break the law you wave your rights. Being here illegaly is breaking the law.



I dont wanna foot the bill for a lawyer that wants to prosicute the people that hire these people.



what are you simpathisers doing to help the people in Mexico? What are you simpathisers doing to better the quality of the lives of the people in Mexico?



Probably nothing. And that is more typical liberalism. All talk about helping people and they dont do a thing about it.



Whats up with the liberals philabustering the firlst hispanic Supreme Court Judge?

Dont make this a polical issue cause Liberalism is a JOKE!

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What are you simpathisers doing to better the quality of the lives of the people in Mexico?

AUTHOR: Mario - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Friday, March 14, 2003

If i was a poor mexican here is what i would do.



I WOULD TRY TO COMER HERE LEGALLY LIKE TONS OF OTHER POOR MEXICANS DO!



Its as simple as that. Others have done it for years. what the hell is all this blaming others for the ones that break the laws.



That is typical liberalism. I know tons of people that work for the California Dept of Corrections and every freekin immate in there blames there crimes on someone else. Illegal immagration should be stopped. Lets help these hard working people get here legally so we can prosicute them when the break the law.



The fact of the matter is if you break the law you wave your rights. Being here illegaly is breaking the law.



I dont wanna foot the bill for a lawyer that wants to prosicute the people that hire these people.



what are you simpathisers doing to help the people in Mexico? What are you simpathisers doing to better the quality of the lives of the people in Mexico?



Probably nothing. And that is more typical liberalism. All talk about helping people and they dont do a thing about it.



Whats up with the liberals philabustering the firlst hispanic Supreme Court Judge?

Dont make this a polical issue cause Liberalism is a JOKE!

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More empty, factless rhetoric

AUTHOR: Tim - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Thursday, February 27, 2003

I am noticing a common trait among the anti-immigrationists in here: a lack of facts. If you want to know the reality behind a social situation turn off your T.V. and do some research. Go to your local university library and find out what the academic research actually says. This research is unbiased and held to the strictest standards of integrity. Your sources, O'Reilly and Limbaugh types, are not only extremely biased, but also lack even the tiniest shred of integrity. I know these guys and their colleauges are fun to watch and read, they like to yell alot which is exciting, but what they have is empty rhetoric, not facts.



Unfortunately, most Americans seem to believe that whoever is yelling the loudest and acting like the biggest arrogant windbag is right(maybe that's why you guys insist on writing so many select words in all caps?).



Another thing we believe strongly in is blaming our problems on other people, and blaming the victims of our own shoddy business practices for their poverty. We are not, as you claim Eugene, footing the bill for illegal aliens. The benefits they provide to our economy far outweigh the burden of a few unpaid doctor bills and several months in the clink. If you would like to know what would happen to our economy if we kicked out all of the illegal aliens, again, turn off your t.v. and do some research.



Let me just tell you that the agriculture, construction, and hotel/ restaurant industries would be in big trouble. And if you think our jails and prisons are filled up with illegal immigrants, again I advise you to do some research and find the reality of the problem. Do you know what happens to the great majority of illegal immigrants once they become a suspect in a crime? They are deported! We don't even bother investigating their minor crimes, we just put them on a bus and send them back home! And if you think that criminally-prone Mexicans are charging up here to take advantage of us, you are again mistaken. Drug dealers and other such types know that its much easier to be a criminal in Mexico, where an almost complete lack of funding has produced one of the most ineffective and corrupt police systems in the world. Would you like to live in such a place?



As for rich Mexicans, do a little research into how a Mexican gets rich. Rich Mexicans, the vast majority of the time, are rich because they are in collusion with corporations from wealthier nations to exploit the extremely cheap labor and resource markets there. These wealthy people are dangling from the pursestrings of companies like Xerox, Volkswagen, and all three of the "Big 3." If there weren't exploitable markets in Mexico, there wouldn't be any rich Mexicans. It is the lack of morals and respect for human dignity displayed by these and other corporations that is to blame for the abject poverty the Mexican people deal with in their lives. These are the choices faced by these unfortunate neighbors of ours: don't work and starve, work for five dollars or less a day under horrendous conditions, or sneak into America and at least hope for minimum wage. Which choice would you make?



I'm afraid I have no retort for your last all caps statement, because, like your philosophy on this subject, it's unintelligable. Come back when you've done some real research. Mindless rhetoric doesn't impress me, and I hope one day it will stop impressing everyone else.

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Sad,...but

AUTHOR: Eugene - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Wednesday, February 26, 2003

People get hurt everyday through no fault of their own. Surly these illegal immmingrants knew that they were not arriving in the USA under "normal conditions" and yet they chose to come anyway. THAT IS THEIR PROBLEM.



They need to be sent back where they came from. It is not fair that the American taxpayer should have to foot the bill for these LAW BREAKERS.



I think the people that hire them should have to pay and leave the USA. Treaason is treason. Those employers know what they are doing.



Canada does not let Americans work there without a permit.



Mexico has a lot of problems to over come and the rich Mexicans have to take responsibility. Foreigners come to the USA and then shoot their mouths off as if they have been frred by God.



Maybe they should go back to their own country and free their own nation. Why not complain in their own country?



IF YOU GIVE UP YOUR RIGHTS FOR A PRICE THEN WHEN THAT PRICE IS PAID YOUR RIGHTS ARE GONE. Can't have your cake and eat it too.

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Is this what passes for a well reasoned argument?

AUTHOR: Tim - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Monday, February 17, 2003

Adolph, you aren't really buying into this simple minded, erroneous account are you? Let me take this paragraph by ridiculous paragraph.



The letter begins by saying that in all the patriotism after 9-11 some politically correct types loused everything up by caring about people's feelings (mind you, I'm paraphrasing here) and that immigrants, not americans should adapt. This is an absurd statement (actually, two absurd statements). First, it was not the patriotism that worried some of us, it was the way it was being displayed. There were some extremely distasteful t-shirts and bumper stickers being sold by people trying to exploit our national disaster. The messages printed on this merchandise was not aimed at terrorists or anyone we really have a legitimate problem with, but against foreign cultures as a whole. Although I loathe the notion of political correctness, I am probably of the mindset the author was eluding to. I, however, am not offended by widespread flag waving or pictures of Bin Laden in crosshairs. What does offend me are propaganda type images which include all muslims and middle easterners in the same category as the terrorists. Also, I think we have a definite right to say that patriotism has become very distasteful when it manifests itself as violence against persons and their property, the main focuses of the dissenters spoke of in the letter. As for "adapting," I ask of all you anti-immigrationists, how much have you actually had to adapt? I am in a community wherein, in the summer months, our population nearly doubles with the influx of migrant labor, most of whom do not speak English. This, however, has never affected my life... I haven't felt the need to learn Spanish, haven't had any problems communicating with people that I had to, haven't had to make any accomodations for the large immigrant population here. Have any of you actually had to do something differently in your life as a result of foreigners or non-english speakers?



On we go... First, I'd like to know how the tide of foreigners coming to America has threatened our sovereignty. We are, by far, the most sovereign nation on earth because of our economic superiority and military muscle. We opt out of contracts that we expect all other nations to abide by (WTO, Kyoto Accord, etc.). How could immigrants threaten our sovereignty to begin with? If anything, the multicultural nature of our country strengthens our sovereignty by allowing us to deal with foreign cultures in their own language, so to speak. The author of this letter poses no evidence for this (or any other) statement, and as such it is merely simple minded drivel. As for our "national identity" and "culture," I don't think the author quite understands what these things mean in America. Our national identity is rooted in equal opportunity and freedom of thought and action. This is the identity which brought all of our ancestors here in the first place (unless you're black). Our own language? We don't have our own language, we have the language brought here by the group of ancestors who were most adept at flexing their political muscle. If we had our own language it would be called "American" not "English." The English speakers were simply the first to colonize on a widespread basis in what later became the United States. It could have just as easily been the Spanish, German or French. In the earliest days of our nation, less than fifty percent of the people here spoke English. The ones that did not speak English usually did not learn it, but their children did. It was not until after many families had been here for several generations that English gained its stance as the language spoken by the majority of people. Our own culture? Please! We are the most culturally non-specific nation in the world. Cultures in America vary by region (deep southern culture is as distinct from southern california culture as apples and carrots), by ethnic group (Jewish, black, and white cultures are very distinct from one another). And by socio-economic status (the upper, middle, and lower classes are so distinct from one another that they might as well be foreigners in respect to eachother). These kind of divisions do not exist in most other countries, where years of stagnation have produced a homogeneous culture, one that we do not have here. This lack of a common culture IS the identity of America. We are all individuals, profoundly different from one another, and we take great pride in that.



On to "learning the language." This is the anti-immigrationist's strongest argument. There may be some merit to it, that in this day and age we need to be able to communicate effectively with one another to ensure success. Not being able to speak our language, however, only hurts the immigrants. They are relegated to sectors of society where it is not important that they be able to speak our language, and these sectors are not the domain of the successful. The rest of us, those who do speak English, actually benefit (in the form of cheap produce, cheap services, etc.)from having a pool of people who will take any job they can get because they can't speak the local language.



On to religion (its go time!)... Our national motto is "In God We Trust," not "In Jesus We Trust" And there is a very good reason for this. Yes, our forefathers were christian men with christian ideals. Here are a few more of their ideals: 1)Slavery is acceptable. 2) The red man needs to be "civilized" through the word of God (that was a big success, wasn't it?). 3) Only white, land owning males should be allowed to have a say in politics-not women, minorities or poor people. These are some of the principles the men the author spoke of founded this country on, and along the way we were smart enough to dismiss these ideals as old fashioned and barbaric. One of the few good things they brought with them was the idea of religious freedom, an idea sparked by their non-allegiance to the church in their homeland. The founding fathers never declared Christianity to be our national religion, and believe me many of them would have liked to, but they recognized that a national religion is not possible without a national church, like the one they came here to escape in the first place. They also recognized that government needn't be involved in questions of religion, and religion needn't be concerned with questions of government. The separation of church and state makes the church stronger and it makes the state stronger. I believe very strongly in the separation of church and state, it is probably more pertinent to our freedom then is the freedom of speech. To decide on your own, without any credible supporting evidence, that we are exclusively a Christian nation is the acme of absurdity. I am EXTREMELY offended by the notion of religious imagery in our schools and public places. Wouldn't "if you don't like the lack of religious imagery in public schools, send your kids to a Christian school" be a more reasoned statement than "if you don't like the picture of Jesus in your kid's classroom, you should leave the country"? God may be a part of many people's cultures here, but not of everyone's, not of mine, and I defy you to tell me I need to move to an atheist country because I don't belive in your god. We have religious freedom for good reasons: Fundamentalism and emotion make for bad laws, religious intolerance breeds hatred, and allowing for open religious decisions makes us a more diverse and competitive society.



On to the summary paragraph. The author of this letter may love this fictitious American culture he speaks of, but not all of us do. I am appalled at many aspects of our culture, and I don't let blind patriotism get in the way of my rational feelings, nor did our forefathers. Our country was built by people who believed that if you don't like the way things are being done, you don't have to blindly accept them. The true essence of patriotism, in my opinion, is not blindly accepting that everything our government and our societie's powerholders say is correct or admirable. Nobody is offended by stars and stripes, but "Uncle Sam" has done some things over the course of our nation's history that shock the conscience. To ignore these things only allows their perpetuation. The only way we will ever hope to achieve the just and equal society we would like is to continually question the motives of government officials and other powerholders. Statements like the ones made in the above letter are ignorant and counterproductive. The only reason our country is the great, kind-of-free place it is is because most of us can think critically enough to see past this kind of useless, simple minded rhetoric.

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#66 Consumer Comment

Another view of the current populace........

AUTHOR: Adolph - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Sunday, February 16, 2003

This says it all!

After hearing that the state of Florida changed its opinion and let a Muslim woman have her picture on her driver's license with her face covered this is an editorial written by an American citizen, published in a Tampa newspaper. He did quite a job; didn't he? Read on, please!



IMMIGRANTS, NOT AMERICANS, MUST ADAPT. I am tired of this nation worrying about whether we are offending some individual or their culture. Since the terrorist attacks on Sept. 11, we have experienced a surge in patriotism by the majority of Americans. However, the dust from the attacks had barely settled when the "politically correct" crowd began complaining about the possibility that our patriotism was offending others.



I am not against immigration, nor do I hold a grudge against anyone who is seeking a better life by coming to America. Our population is almost entirely made up of descendants of immigrants. However, there are a few things that those who have recently come to our country, and apparently some born here, need to understand. This idea of America being a multicultural community has served only to dilute our sovereignty and our national identity. As Americans, we have our own culture, our own society, our own language and our own lifestyle. This culture has been developed over centuries of struggles, trials, and victories by millions of men and women who have sought freedom.



We speak ENGLISH, not Spanish, Portuguese, Arabic, Chinese, Japanese, Russian, or any other language. Therefore, if you wish to become part of our society, learn the language!



"In God We Trust" is our national motto. This is not some Christian, right wing, political slogan. We adopted this motto because Christian men and women, on Christian principles, founded this nation, and this is clearly documented. It is certainly appropriate to display it on the walls of our schools. If God offends you, then I suggest you consider another part of the world as your new home, because God is part of our culture.



If Stars and Stripes offend you, or you don't like Uncle Sam, then you should seriously consider a move to another part of this planet. We are happy with our culture and have no desire to change, and we really don't care how you did things where you came from. This is OUR COUNTRY, our land, and our lifestyle. Our First Amendment gives every! citizen the right to express his opinion and we will allow you every opportunity to do so. But once you are done complaining, whining, and griping about our flag, our pledge, our national motto, or our way of life, I highly encourage you take advantage of one other great American freedom, THE RIGHT TO LEAVE.

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#65 Consumer Comment

My Heart Goes Out to These People

AUTHOR: Tristan - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Friday, February 14, 2003

My opinion goes in the best interest of the original auther. I spent time in South Carolina on a project known as "Arribas Corazones" (Lift Up Your Hearts). We collected canned foods, household products, clothing, shampoo, soap and other necessary hygienic products. A dentist even donated to our cause several cases of toothbrushes and toothepaste.



The ammount of donations that we recieved leads me to believe that we as a society are aware of this ongoing problem. These people are not animals and do not deserve to be treated as such. I'm sure if any one of you lived in these conditions, you would have dreams to one day flee and make a life better for you and your family.



Life, liberty, and the persuit of happiness. The migrant workers may not be American citizens but they are on American soil, where these values should be expressed.



My dog lives in better conditions than these human beings. I personally think it is absolutely beautiful that a foreign woman would take the risk of entering our country just so that her unborn child could be an American citizen and be entitled to our American rights.



I will continue to help our local migrant workers because I don't look at them as "illegals." I look at them as my sisters and brothers. It was by the grace of God that I was born in this country, and I will not be so arrogant as to say that we are too good to help somebody who wants to live our American dreams and share the rights and freedoms that we have.



We wake up every morning, drink our coffee, press our clothes, and clock in. We make an honest living because we are entitled to that. These migrant workers are making an honest living, but they are being violated because of the lack of education that their country is responsible for.



Who is to say that they don't want to learn our language and participate in our customs? Their culture is just as beautiful as the French, the German, and the Congolese and would only add to our beautiful melting pot.



I have learned from my volunteer work to never take anything for granted because there's always somebody out there who is working twice as hard to get where I am, spirit uncrushed by the intolerable conditions in which they live.

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#64 Consumer Comment

Overpopulated?

AUTHOR: tim - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Tuesday, January 28, 2003

Dale, the United States does not have a population problem. The Eastern seaboard and Southern California are indeed over capacity, but the vast majority of our nation is very sparsely populated.



These sparsely populated areas are actually where most of the illegal immigrants are, working in the agricultural sector.



As a matter of fact, the U.S> population as a whole is increasing at an ever slower pace, and it is predicted that within a few years we will experience a negative growth rate like several European countriesa already have.



Immigrants in big cities tend to be legal, with the exception of the Southwest U.S. You are also grossly misusing the statistsic that 30 percent of our prison population is hispanic.



Hispanic inmates are also legal the great majority of the time, the illegal ones don't actually commit much crime (compared to legals) because they are afraid of being deported, so they tend to be rather low key and law abiding.



There are as host of legitimate sociologicaql arguments on either side of this issue, but when you throw around false statistical information and make claims along the lines of "if we let too many Mexicans in we'll become a low IQ cess pool" it's hard not to see the resemblance to a racist mentality.

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#63 Consumer Comment

illegal is illegal

AUTHOR: Dale - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Monday, January 27, 2003

They are illegal. We are overpopulated to begin with.



And EVERYONE IN THE WORLD is an immigrant to the land they are on if you want to get real.



They do not belong here. We do not want them here. (Check ANY poll), and it's time to clean this mess up.



The USA is not to be turned into a low IQ 3rd world cess pool and we will fight, even a civil war someday, to stop it.



They belong to Mexico. Mexico has to learn to take care of their own.



30% of federal prisons are from this bunch.



Where does this madness end?



Getting tired of people falsely crying "racism" in a crowded country too!



Have a nice day.

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#62 Consumer Comment

To those who call themselves Americans

AUTHOR: jennifer - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Thursday, January 23, 2003

I am amazed of how many closed minded bigots there is out there. I have loads to say about those who think the Mexicans are taking American jobs. I have many Mexicans for friends and my husband is one of the illegal wetbacks that the one guy said he would beat the @#$%$ out of it.



I think you need to grow up. My husband does scaffolding and makes good money, he doesn't have his papers yet (INS is slow because some idiot people in a different country hates Americans, which has nothing to do with Mexico).



The government takes $300 a week for taxes because he works 7 days a week, 12 hours a night so he makes lots of overtime. Do you think he will ever see that money again? No, do you know where it goes? I do everytime you look at the lazy people who are on welfare who can not find a job, when there is lots of jobs out there, they just too lazy to pick up a paper.



Every notice welfare people are driving nice cars or wearing good clothes. The Mexicans help our economy because they pay taxes, don't get anything back and they are not here to collect on Medicare or there Social security. They are back home in Mexico living in the houses they built with the money they made here.



I have so much to say but I don't even know where to begin or end. so I am going to finish now. I think some people need to open their eyes to facts and realize we are the ones ruining USA not Mexicans.



If they ended welfare I bet Americans would find the jobs that they say Mexicans are taking because they would have to do something to support their lazy buts

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#61 Consumer Comment

Me again..

AUTHOR: Debra - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Tuesday, January 14, 2003

Oh yeah,Christine....If you still read this...What makes you think that we are not being turned into a third world country??? We are being turned into a third world country faster everyday. We are in big trouble all around and it's only going to get worse if we allow illegal aliens to migrate and infest our cities.Eduardo...

I respect you and your opinion if you read this.



Thanks if you are a hardworking, educated mexican american that is contributing and not taking away. We as natural born americans as a union need to stand up and not let this infestation continue.

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#60 Consumer Comment

Me again..

AUTHOR: Debra - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Tuesday, January 14, 2003

Oh yeah,Christine....If you still read this...What makes you think that we are not being turned into a third world country??? We are being turned into a third world country faster everyday. We are in big trouble all around and it's only going to get worse if we allow illegal aliens to migrate and infest our cities.Eduardo...

I respect you and your opinion if you read this.



Thanks if you are a hardworking, educated mexican american that is contributing and not taking away. We as natural born americans as a union need to stand up and not let this infestation continue.

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#59 Consumer Comment

Me again..

AUTHOR: Debra - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Tuesday, January 14, 2003

Oh yeah,Christine....If you still read this...What makes you think that we are not being turned into a third world country??? We are being turned into a third world country faster everyday. We are in big trouble all around and it's only going to get worse if we allow illegal aliens to migrate and infest our cities.Eduardo...

I respect you and your opinion if you read this.



Thanks if you are a hardworking, educated mexican american that is contributing and not taking away. We as natural born americans as a union need to stand up and not let this infestation continue.

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#58 Consumer Comment

We were murdered, beaten, raped, and lied to..

AUTHOR: Debra - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Monday, January 13, 2003

Jim, didn't you read that Stains' ancestors were Native American?? We were the first people here... English people came over on the Mayflower--Native people did not come over here on a boat.Our land was stolen by a government that we didn't have a say so over.



We were murdered, beaten, raped, and lied to by people that we initially opened our hearts to.



In retaliation, we killed and fought back. We were promised, treaties were made and we were lied to.



To a response above--"Fire Water" was brought here by the white people and offered to us as a way to show generosity but in a reality it was used as a weapon in the whites' plan to exterminate ourselves. It worked in some ways, but we are still here and we are sick of being quiet.We as Native Americans need to stand up,educate ourselves and take back.



We have the right to say that we don't want to be killed,raped, and robbed by these new illegal aliens.



We have the right to stand up and say "I don't want drugs peddled on my street","I don't want to see my insurance rates to go up because a mexican broadsided my car","I don't want to see mexican prostitutes selling themselves on Broadway","I don't want gang members shooting the people that I love","I want mexicans to go back to where they came and not come to the U.S. and suck our already dwindling economic resources".



What mexicans do give to the U.S.,they take back in full force with the crimes listed above. Now Stain, I do have to dissagree with you about the whole target practice thing. They are still human beings...We just need better border patrol to keep them in Mexico and to stop being so tolerant and allowing it to happen.

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Your racism is telling

AUTHOR: Jim - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Wednesday, January 08, 2003

This talk of shooting innocent people is disgusting. Did your ancestors come over on the Mayflower, Mr. Marine. I didn't think so.



By the way, when I was in the Navy we used to teabag Marines all the time. Maybe you were one of them?

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#56 Consumer Suggestion

Hate?

AUTHOR: stain - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Monday, January 06, 2003

I never said i hated anyone. and if you read my first comment i am greatful to pay less for my fruit and veggies. We all know the Army needs more target practice! I did use my energy towards a solution. KEEP OUT ILLEGAL ALIENS.



Unfortunaltly the passive path towards inforcing immigration laws has never worked OBIOUSLY. Is it our fault that the illegals dont get the piont? NO!



IF THEY WERENT HERE ILLEGALY THERE WOULDNT BE THIS PROBLEM, I WOULDNT HAVE TO BEAT THE s**t OUT OF THEM FOR BREAKING THE LAW AT MY EXPENSE AND YOU WOULDNT BE ALL BUTTHURT ON MY COMMENTS....PERIOD! You know im right its a FACT and there is NOTHING you can say to change that buddie!



I think YOU need to know what its like to work hard for your country. And let all that hard work you put in be taken advantage of by some illegal immigrants.

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#55 Consumer Suggestion

Why yes i have

AUTHOR: stain - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Monday, January 06, 2003

Well guss what guy. I severd in the USMC and fought so that we (the people that come here legally and pay taxes) can live in the splendor that we do. So yes i do know what its like to work hard. Have youvever been in a live firefight with people that would love to torture you? Im sure you havent. I would love for someone to try and beat the sh-t out of me in return. But like i said.



I appreciate that those people that come here and work hard and want to live a decent life. But guess what, my ancestors are Native american. We didnt like you guys comin here and messing s**t up then, and we dont like anyone coming here and messing s**t up now.



Work hard follow the laws. But if you dont be prepared for an a*s whippin my a vet of the US Marines.



Ive sacrificed a shitload of freedoms, lived in ditches in foriegn lands for weeks at a time sleeping with one eye open. So keep your pretty little mouth shut.



Maybe you should help those wetbacks get some legal documentaion. Or maybe you should help the American taxpayers that lose millions of dollars a year in insurance claims becouse of illegals.

The reality is, is that we need to keep out illegals period. Our current INS doesnt work. We need military at our borders. Its our rights as americans to keep our country safe.

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#54 Consumer Suggestion

Why yes i have

AUTHOR: stain - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Monday, January 06, 2003

Well guss what guy. I severd in the USMC and fought so that we (the people that come here legally and pay taxes) can live in the splendor that we do. So yes i do know what its like to work hard. Have youvever been in a live firefight with people that would love to torture you? Im sure you havent. I would love for someone to try and beat the sh-t out of me in return. But like i said.



I appreciate that those people that come here and work hard and want to live a decent life. But guess what, my ancestors are Native american. We didnt like you guys comin here and messing s**t up then, and we dont like anyone coming here and messing s**t up now.



Work hard follow the laws. But if you dont be prepared for an a*s whippin my a vet of the US Marines.



Ive sacrificed a shitload of freedoms, lived in ditches in foriegn lands for weeks at a time sleeping with one eye open. So keep your pretty little mouth shut.



Maybe you should help those wetbacks get some legal documentaion. Or maybe you should help the American taxpayers that lose millions of dollars a year in insurance claims becouse of illegals.

The reality is, is that we need to keep out illegals period. Our current INS doesnt work. We need military at our borders. Its our rights as americans to keep our country safe.

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#53 Consumer Suggestion

Why yes i have

AUTHOR: stain - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Monday, January 06, 2003

Well guss what guy. I severd in the USMC and fought so that we (the people that come here legally and pay taxes) can live in the splendor that we do. So yes i do know what its like to work hard. Have youvever been in a live firefight with people that would love to torture you? Im sure you havent. I would love for someone to try and beat the sh-t out of me in return. But like i said.



I appreciate that those people that come here and work hard and want to live a decent life. But guess what, my ancestors are Native american. We didnt like you guys comin here and messing s**t up then, and we dont like anyone coming here and messing s**t up now.



Work hard follow the laws. But if you dont be prepared for an a*s whippin my a vet of the US Marines.



Ive sacrificed a shitload of freedoms, lived in ditches in foriegn lands for weeks at a time sleeping with one eye open. So keep your pretty little mouth shut.



Maybe you should help those wetbacks get some legal documentaion. Or maybe you should help the American taxpayers that lose millions of dollars a year in insurance claims becouse of illegals.

The reality is, is that we need to keep out illegals period. Our current INS doesnt work. We need military at our borders. Its our rights as americans to keep our country safe.

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#52 Consumer Suggestion

Why yes i have

AUTHOR: stain - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Monday, January 06, 2003

Well guss what guy. I severd in the USMC and fought so that we (the people that come here legally and pay taxes) can live in the splendor that we do. So yes i do know what its like to work hard. Have youvever been in a live firefight with people that would love to torture you? Im sure you havent. I would love for someone to try and beat the sh-t out of me in return. But like i said.



I appreciate that those people that come here and work hard and want to live a decent life. But guess what, my ancestors are Native american. We didnt like you guys comin here and messing s**t up then, and we dont like anyone coming here and messing s**t up now.



Work hard follow the laws. But if you dont be prepared for an a*s whippin my a vet of the US Marines.



Ive sacrificed a shitload of freedoms, lived in ditches in foriegn lands for weeks at a time sleeping with one eye open. So keep your pretty little mouth shut.



Maybe you should help those wetbacks get some legal documentaion. Or maybe you should help the American taxpayers that lose millions of dollars a year in insurance claims becouse of illegals.

The reality is, is that we need to keep out illegals period. Our current INS doesnt work. We need military at our borders. Its our rights as americans to keep our country safe.

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#51 Consumer Comment

God Help Us All

AUTHOR: K - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Thursday, January 02, 2003

Okay people, let's all take a deep breath. This comment is really directed towards "Stain" out of So. Cal who seems to be extremely xenophobic at best.



Before you go shooting people off of fences and beating the s**t out of people who hit your car, please take this under advisement. If you raise your hand in anger, consider that you stand the likelyhood of having the s**t beat out of you in return, in another language no less.



Sir, you really shouldn't make comments such as those. I'm almost sure that you are enjoying at least the fifth generation benefits of coming to America. It's people like you that made your forefathers leave their homeland and come and complete a hostile takeover of another country.



Not to turn this into a shouting match, but what have you done for America lately? Are you completely without blemish or "stain" (your chosen moniker) in your reputation? What contributions have you made to the Union that would prevent the rest of us from shooting you off of a fence?



Are you willing to work and live like they do? Of course not. You don't have to. You have been blessed with some type of prosperity and you will probably never see a hard day in your life. If on the off chance you do fall on hard times, you'll turn to the welfare system, or live off some poor woman (probably your mother) to get by.



I do hope for your sake that you are forever in good health and able to support yourself. It would be sad for you to end up in the same situation as the people you so obviously hate.



If you haven't already done so, please get busy being productive and use your energy for good not evil. Get an education to raise your standard of living. It will lessen your hatred towards other people. Another byproduct of an education is a higher standard of living. That will mean lower insurance rates, so you'll be able to leave the baseball bat in the trunk.



Instead of talk about needless violence, do you have a viable solution to our immigration problems? Maybe you have an equitable policy regarding work standards or an alternative to high insurance rates? I know, you're saving your best answers for social reform and how to combat world hunger. Please Stain, use your mind for positive solutions and stop adding to the overload of ignorance.



Remember where you live and what our country stands for. You seem to be suffering ever so slightly from a scarcity complex. Stop embarrassing your mother (unless that's where you get your ignorance from) and remember that but for the grace of God it could be you. Think about that the next time you eat a piece of cheap fruit. Try not to choke.

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#50 Consumer Suggestion

closed borders

AUTHOR: Jim - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Monday, December 30, 2002

Let us face it we will always have illegal entry into our great country. It is just too big to patrol all borders. We can however reduce the flow

by implmenting an agressive immigration policy and border patrols.



The United States of America is and always has been a great place to live tht is why we have people comming here. I have no problem with immigrants no matter where they are from as long as they live by the law of the land.



As for them being taken advantage of they have all the same resources avaiable to them (as long as they are legal)as I do to make a life here and many have done so very succesfully.



I offer these simple rules:



1. enter our country legaly

2. follow our laws

3. treat our country and it's symbols with respect

4. learn our language (when I lived in Germany I learned German)

5. pay taxes (I do)



Now I have one rule for those of us who have been here a while.



1. Rember that except for a few we are all immigrants at one time so let us treat even new Americans with the respect they deserve.

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#49 Consumer Comment

Oh my lord

AUTHOR: stain - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Monday, December 30, 2002

I did have full coverage schmuck. But do you know what happens when you get in that type of accident? Your insurance goes up. Why should i have to pay a little more for some dumb a*s wetbacks mistake? I dont mind paying a little less for food (fruit and veggies) at there loss. So i guess your right it pretty much evens out. But it still doesnt change the fact that if anyone, from anywhere (especially from the middle east not just wetbacks) comes here illegaly and gets im my way. I WILL BEAT THE SH-T OUT OF THEM. And as for the golden state warrior. Is that some kind of joke? That is the funniest s**t i heard in a long time. your a regular Pablo Rodrigez

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#48 Consumer Comment

A patronizing and condescending attitude

AUTHOR: Enrique - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Sunday, December 29, 2002

I consider myself a proud Chicano golden state warrior and am resentful of your implication that Latinos all work in car washes and MacDonald's! I am a vato and I would slap you in the face with a glove and challenge you to a duel. You insult the honor of la schick razor when you make these implications. Sir, if you try to build a fence on the border you will be met by an navy of proud Chicano warriors!

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#47 Consumer Comment

thank you, stain

AUTHOR: tim - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Saturday, December 28, 2002

Thank you for giving those of us who give a crap about other human beings some more evidence as to the ignorant, uneducated personalities of racists. You say we should use illegal aliens for target practice as they try to cross the border, then you admit that we do in fact profit from their being here. Also, if you think that mexicans are the only people who act irresponsibly, take a look at yourself. Why didn't you have uninsured motorist coverage? It's usually offered at a very cheap rate, unless you are high risk, (and its my guess that you are if you dont have good insurance) in which case you did some irresponsible, and probably dangerous, things in your past. Instead of griping about the outcome of a bad situation, why not put that effort toward helping alleviate the situation that caused it, activism is always more constructive than ignorant whining.

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Who Gives A Care??

AUTHOR: Stain - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Monday, December 23, 2002

So What!



They should build a huge wall along the border and have the army use them for live target practice if they try to cross. There here illegaly so why the hell should they even get paid in the first place?? You profit off there hard work anyways. Practically every piece of fruit you eat has been picked or worked on somehow by a Illegal Alien. So stop crying. thats the way it is. Let them pick I dont care it keeps produce prices down. But if another one of those wetbacks hits my car with no insurance ill beat the s**t out of them and there little bean dip family they swam here with.



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Ref : Migrant Workers and other illegals

AUTHOR: Roland - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Monday, December 23, 2002

I really appreciate the open mindedness of J of Atlanta , georgia response. I despise ignorance ane racism. It has been my experience, that in the whole, "racist views " are bred out of ignorance and usually, lack of education.Mr J of Atlanta, put it very well ,in his quote...next time when you bite into an orange...There are a few exceptions, there are a few who are well educated and still ignorant!..and they are the ones with sociopathic tendencies. Also, the brilliant foresight, of certain self proclaimed "Christians" astounds me , I:E:..Don't tell me!..,.Jesus was not dark skinned!....just amazing!..I say..I am a white American, and proud to say, that , I can find more meaningful activities, than to search for a scapegoat for the world's problems. You say....huh!....I don't know what i'm saying?....because I never had hardships?,,,get a life you racist buttheads..I went through a lot of "crap" in my lifetime,and yet, I am thankful to God, I never searched for a scapegoat. Get a life, man!. This is not your land!1 , this is God's land, so ask him for advice, instead!. "Legal or illegal", we all are God's children and living , breathing human beings!!

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AUTHOR: Roland - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Monday, December 23, 2002

I really appreciate the open mindedness of J of Atlanta , georgia response. I despise ignorance ane racism. It has been my experience, that in the whole, "racist views " are bred out of ignorance and usually, lack of education.Mr J of Atlanta, put it very well ,in his quote...next time when you bite into an orange...There are a few exceptions, there are a few who are well educated and still ignorant!..and they are the ones with sociopathic tendencies. Also, the brilliant foresight, of certain self proclaimed "Christians" astounds me , I:E:..Don't tell me!..,.Jesus was not dark skinned!....just amazing!..I say..I am a white American, and proud to say, that , I can find more meaningful activities, than to search for a scapegoat for the world's problems. You say....huh!....I don't know what i'm saying?....because I never had hardships?,,,get a life you racist buttheads..I went through a lot of "crap" in my lifetime,and yet, I am thankful to God, I never searched for a scapegoat. Get a life, man!. This is not your land!1 , this is God's land, so ask him for advice, instead!. "Legal or illegal", we all are God's children and living , breathing human beings!!

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Ref : Migrant Workers and other illegals

AUTHOR: Roland - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Monday, December 23, 2002

I really appreciate the open mindedness of J of Atlanta , georgia response. I despise ignorance ane racism. It has been my experience, that in the whole, "racist views " are bred out of ignorance and usually, lack of education.Mr J of Atlanta, put it very well ,in his quote...next time when you bite into an orange...There are a few exceptions, there are a few who are well educated and still ignorant!..and they are the ones with sociopathic tendencies. Also, the brilliant foresight, of certain self proclaimed "Christians" astounds me , I:E:..Don't tell me!..,.Jesus was not dark skinned!....just amazing!..I say..I am a white American, and proud to say, that , I can find more meaningful activities, than to search for a scapegoat for the world's problems. You say....huh!....I don't know what i'm saying?....because I never had hardships?,,,get a life you racist buttheads..I went through a lot of "crap" in my lifetime,and yet, I am thankful to God, I never searched for a scapegoat. Get a life, man!. This is not your land!1 , this is God's land, so ask him for advice, instead!. "Legal or illegal", we all are God's children and living , breathing human beings!!

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AUTHOR: Roland - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Monday, December 23, 2002

I really appreciate the open mindedness of J of Atlanta , georgia response. I despise ignorance ane racism. It has been my experience, that in the whole, "racist views " are bred out of ignorance and usually, lack of education.Mr J of Atlanta, put it very well ,in his quote...next time when you bite into an orange...There are a few exceptions, there are a few who are well educated and still ignorant!..and they are the ones with sociopathic tendencies. Also, the brilliant foresight, of certain self proclaimed "Christians" astounds me , I:E:..Don't tell me!..,.Jesus was not dark skinned!....just amazing!..I say..I am a white American, and proud to say, that , I can find more meaningful activities, than to search for a scapegoat for the world's problems. You say....huh!....I don't know what i'm saying?....because I never had hardships?,,,get a life you racist buttheads..I went through a lot of "crap" in my lifetime,and yet, I am thankful to God, I never searched for a scapegoat. Get a life, man!. This is not your land!1 , this is God's land, so ask him for advice, instead!. "Legal or illegal", we all are God's children and living , breathing human beings!!

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#41 Consumer Comment

Mexican immigrants and the economy

AUTHOR: tim - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Friday, December 20, 2002

Let me start off with a comment on the phrase "America, love it or leave it." Anyone who understands what a free democratic state really is should be apalled at such a comment.



America was founded by people who did not "love" their government or the existing power structure, and they did not "leave it," instead, they set up a system wherein people are free to dislike their country. The right to question the forces that drive our society is the foundation of our system of government.



If every American throughout our history chose to never complain or fight against injustices we would have no historical patriots, slavery would still be around, and the governments of our major cities would still be run by corrupt racketeers. Thomas Jefferson said "The price of liberty is eternal vigilance."



For those of you who have been too busy passing judgement on other people's patriotism to gain analytical reasoning skills, this means that Americans have a duty to NOT blindly accept that what is going on in our country is always good. On to the immigration problem... first, the term "illegal immigrant" is historically relative.



In times when our economy was strong and the labor pool was sparse our government has consistently relaxed enforcement of immigration laws to enable an influx of cheap labor. On the flip side, when our economy is weak and the labor pool extensive, the government tends to strengthen enforcement.



Second, as to immigrants taking our jobs, some previous posters have made good points in that when you see day laborers standing around hoping for work, they are generally all Mexican. Illegal immigrants are not taking "good" jobs, they are taking agricultural, construction and service jobs which often pay less than minimum wage. If an educated white legal citizen wanted such a job, he would probably be hired for it before an illegal alien would be. If you are upset at a lack of decent jobs, don't blame it on illegal immigrants, blame it on the corporations that ship these jobs to different countries.



Next, an economics lesson. To say that it is not our fault that the Mexican economy is terrible and that Mexican's should deal with it and stay home is ignorant. The substandardness (is that a word?) of Mexico's economy is a direct result of their relationship with the United States. Mexico, along with most of the third world, is "economically subservient" (read up on it) to the U.S., meaning that our corporations are the major patrons of their resources and labor, and we pay them very little for what we recieve.

In return, we sell our finished products to them for the same price as we sell them here, which further drains their finances northward.



American corporations have a vested interest in this situation, and the prosperity of the American economy depends on such cheap resources and labor. Illegal immigrants in our country also fill a very vital space in our economy, they take the jobs that Americans wouldn't even consider doing. The legal ones live in squalid conditions, often times with as many as fifteen people living in a small mobile home. They work from before sunup to after sundown in the fields, where they are directly exposed to all the poisons we spray on our foods, only to bring home less money in a week than some kid flipping burgers at McDonalds.



Not the kind of job I'd want to have, and probably not the kind of job most of the ignorant people who go around bashing immigrants would want to have either. Those are the legal ones, life is much harder for an illegal immigrant.



Take the time to do a little research before you go griping about immigrants or people on welfare. What your friends say isn't always right, and the ultra-conservatives like Limbaugh and O'Reilly are just looking for someone other than their corporate buddies to blame for our shaky economy and social ills.



Before you go spouting ignorant jibberish about something you know nothing about, do some research, I believe you'll find that corporate CEOs taking hundred-million dollar a year salaries while shipping good jobs overseas are much more to blame for our collapsing economy than are illegal immigrants.



September eleventh was a tragic event, not only for the obvious reasons, but also because it seems to have turned us into a nation of ignorant xenophobes.

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#40 Consumer Comment

Lets not paint all immigrants with the same brush

AUTHOR: Tony - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Friday, December 06, 2002

OK, it seems that some people on this board hear the word 'immigrant' and assume everyone is illegal. Not the case. I am an immigrant myself (from Canada) and my parents were immigrants from Greece - people move from their birthplace to find a better life or be able to practise their trade in a more conducive environment. Immigrants that come here LEGALLY are usually quite educated.



The INS has some fairly high standards - and rightfully so, they want people that can make bona-fide contributions to this country. I have 2 graduate degrees as well as al the people I work with - our business is such were a Master's is just the minimum to even be considered to practise. Most of the people I work with are immigrants - including a number of people who are very educated from Mexico (that are also here legally). All of us, be it rhough our paychecks or any other way, contribute just as much to the United States (probably more) than the average 'Joe 6-pack' American who is a high school drop-out and works at the local mill. If you were to round up all of the immigrants (legal and illegal as an early post stated), your country would be up the creek without a paddle as, like I reiterated earlier, the average immigrant is highly educted and skilled in their trade and to lose them would be truly a horrible loss to this country.



As for the problems people are having in Mesa, Arizona - don't blame the immigrants for what seems to be an inept structure in that city. Any newcomer to an area evaluates the environment and then conforms to it. The illegal immigraans in Mesa seems to have done just that - a city government that doesn't care about teh city has allowed everyone to run amok (I refuse to believe that 100% of the crime and problems in Mesa are done by Mexicans).



Finally, for those who refuse to learn Spanish - what's wrong with learning another language? In today's global economy, mastery of languages means power and since Spanish is spoken in a great many places in Earth, it's an important language to learn. Why stop with Spanish, go on to learn French and Russian and Cantonese (Chinese) and any other langugaes you can get your hands on. Educaiton is power - it moves people out of trailer parks and out of dead-end towns. Progress folks - its a good thing, really.

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EDitor's Comments to the above Bigoted REBUTTAL

AUTHOR: - ()

POSTED: Thursday, October 31, 2002

Eduardo,



You raise some good points about the shortcoming of policing, with which I personally agree. However, I don't want to get awash of the main issue of this report. Please see my responses to Robert for my position on that, earlier in this report. I am disturbed that you, an hispanic, might not have been touched by the plight of these illegal immigrants.



Nothing justifies the inhumane treatment of these individuals. I have met these people and they are by-and-large honest, hard-working people. This is the issue at hand. Therefore, the other health and safety issues to legal residents are irrelevant.



Unofficially, the governments of Mexico and the US support this migration to the US, which is mutually profitable for both. Let us not be hypocrits and avoid this issue. Lord knows, the politicians and law enforcement already have.



Eduardo, you should be ashamed of yourself.



ED Magedson

EDitor@ripoffreport.com

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#38 Consumer Suggestion

Racism? Certainly not! I am a Latino.

AUTHOR: Eduardo - ()

POSTED: Wednesday, October 30, 2002

Nobody is attacking or even insulting illegals. The fact is, they are here unlawfully.



I am Hispanic. I share the heritage.



But I also see the plain, simple facts much as do the Anglos. Illegal immigration--and the word ILLEGAL ought to be in huge letters--is a problem for the United States in so many ways, and simply puts off the ultimate explosions in so much of Latin America, that it carries the ugly potential to destroy cultures on both ends. Those who deny that simply have no grasp

of how economies work and how civilizations function.



No, I do not like the slurs. But I understand

where they come from. And many times, like it or not, I am compelled to agree with those who utter them. Not the words, but the CAUSE I have to recognize.



I moved from a neighborhood because of the drug dealers and endless loud music. My children could not be exposed to this. And the city of Mesa did NOTHING...



It all flowed from illegal Mexican immigrants, who were in violation of the laws of MY country when they got here, and who violated more and more laws, virtually daily. A few worked very hard, and as soon as they could, they moved out, too. But crime comes easily with desperation and I saw drug deliveries, even charted the times, noted license numbers, etc. The local police, who were fully informed, DID NOTHING.



Tell me this is not a conspiracy! It is either that or terrible incompetence.

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Ignorance, fear, or both?

AUTHOR: Christine - ()

POSTED: Friday, October 25, 2002

To the immigrant - illegal - Mexican bashers:



You don't seem to think that ALL people, including Mexicans and illegals are individual human beings. They are NOT all gang and cult members and drug producers/runners and driving without insurance. There is even a good chance that they tried to get insurance, but they were declined because their credit scores were too low or didn't exist.



Debra, you are as wrong as the many Whites who say that all Indians are lazy drunks living on welfare.



Just a couple months ago I read on an Albertsons bathroom door in Kingman, AZ, the call for Whites to go back to where they came from - Europe. Somebody else responded with the suggestion to drink some more firewater.



Some of the writings here are at the level of bathroom graffiti. 25 years ago I tried to figure out why the Greek hate the Turks who hate the Arabs who hate the Jews ... I concluded that they couldn't help it because they were very uneducated, hadn't travelled much and they were brainwashed by their governments' propaganda. And of course the Europeans have thousands of years of feuds and wars to reinforce their hatred for their neighbors.



I'm wondering what YOUR excuse is. How can you be so racist and just plain ignorant? This is the country with so much diversity, NOT a 3rd world country, and you think illegal bashing is the civilized thing to do?



I couldn't believe it when California voted for that proposition eliminating medical services for illegals. I took my first trip to Baja then, around 96 or so, and I was surprised how friendly the Mexicans were towards me in spite of that vote.



A few years ago I spent a couple winters in my truck camper in the SW. If you can't get to know real people from different cultures and countries, read Silko's novel "Almanac of the Dead" - it might help you understand how things really are.



YOU must be the people who drive right by me when I have a flat tire in the middle of nowhere. So little compassion and so much fear. One sniper near Washington, DC, shoots a few people and the entire nation is hysterical. I know people on the west coast who were afraid. What the ... !!!????



You're afraid some illegal might take your job, or get a few bucks on welfare. Why aren't you angry at the corporations moving their factories to Mexico and Taiwan? Don't you know about the corruption on any government level and in most courts? With the many billions that are wasted on corporate subsidies, you are worried about WELFARE????



Maybe you do know what's going on, maybe you're not quite as ignorant as you come off here, but the cowards that you are, you decide to hate and attack illegals because they're an easy target?

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Just another scam...for everyone involved.

AUTHOR: Winston - ()

POSTED: Friday, October 04, 2002

I live in Wisconsin and Illinois, and have

visited Mesa and most of California and the

Southwest.



It is becoming very ugly. Trash disposal is much as it is in Mexico, where I used to visit extensively...simply bagged and dumped someplace other than inside one's home.



The blaring Mariachi music is offensive...truth

is, I do not care WHAT kind of music it is, at

those levels, it is disgusting. But when you

hear it in Mesa, it is almost always Mariachi.

And the cockroaches...they should be Mesa's city

bird!!!



Here's what's happening: Mesa is incapable of doing anything TRULY productive, and the community is anti-people, filled with crime

which is totally unpoliced (you have too many cops, NO Police...I was stopped 3 times in 5 days, and decided to spend my vacations elsewhere...do these scum have nothing to do?

Leave a restaurant, the stop is virtually automatic!). The $2-4 an hour wetback labor

is just about the only way a town which steals

for a living can produce ANYTHING...



Your "city fathers" can never figure out the formula for being open without being idiots, which consists of: DO NOT WASTE TIME HASSLING

DECENT PEOPLE, JUST BECAUSE THEY ARE A REVENUE

SOURCE, and NOT OF YOUR RELIGIOUS BENT.



A theocracy is a government by a religion. It is what Osama bin Laden wants the whole world to become. In Mesa, you have one run not by Muslims, but by equally daft dimwits of quite

another persuasion. Hilarious part is, most

of the LDS church folks I met didn't like

the city administration, either, and for pretty

much the same reasons.



This is why you are losing tourist dollars. Motorola is leaving, I read on the web. The Champlin Museum is leaving. Most respectable

businesses have to leave. My company had an

office there, and apparently one of our supervisors offended a relative of a Mormon

in city government, and we started having all

kinds of stupid hassles. Fortunately, we weren't

even completely set up yet, so we paid the lease and left. I have a lot of s****.> This is a city that spends a lot of time and money making enemies.



The Mexican illegals? They're only a symptom, and

an eyesore. Your city administration is THEIR enemy, too.



There's a rule in nature: EVOLVE OR PERISH.



The illegals are just a pawn in the games of a lot of corrupt politicians in Mexico and in filthy, corrupt little backwaters like Mesa.

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#35 Consumer Comment

Illegal Immigration- Legalized

AUTHOR: Steven - ()

POSTED: Wednesday, September 25, 2002

"Illegal" Immigration is only a meaningless word in Arizona:



1.: The INS knows were the "Illegals" work and it would be easy to send them back from were they come from. Instead, they only focus on the border, to show that they are doing something for their money



2.: Wells Fargo and Bank of America officially offer "Illegals" to open accounts legally. Instead of showing a green card (which they don't have) or a passport, which would show that they are illegally in the US, they can present a "Consular ID card" which is nothing else than a document which identifies them as "Illegal Immigrants". For the IRS the "Illegals" have to sign a form paper in which the IRS promises explicitly not to pass the information on to the INS!



3.: At any Post Office you can find brochures issued by the "Selective Service" it lists who has to register with them and who does not have to register. According to this brochure "Illegal Immigrants" have to register with the SS.



4.: Every 15-20 years "Illegals" get their reward for having come illegally to the US: their official permanent residency.



The term "Illegal Immigrant" is just a joke and it shows how rediculous the legal system, which tolerates the illegality, is.

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To Robert... EDItor's Comment to the 2nd REBUTTAL above

AUTHOR: - ()

POSTED: Monday, September 23, 2002

Robert,



Perhaps the problem in this discussion is your misunderstanding of a couple of terms. Your last line says it all. Just because they were voiced by your "Mexican" fiance does not mean that she is incapable of being "racist." Perhaps you are not aware of the meaning of racism. Dr. Helan Enoch Page describes racism as "a global system of material and symbolic resource distribution." Sound familiar? That's you.

Surely, you are not so naive as to be unaware that there are "whites," "Indians," "Meztisos," and "Blacks," who are Mexican. You and your Mexican fiance are being racist. (One can be racist against their own kind!)



I will also not allow you to distract me from my primary point. Even if the things you say are true, (which I am not conceding) that does not justify the inhumanity imposed on these Mexican visitors. You complain about not being able to find someone who speaks English when you go to a restaurant and yet you take out your frustration out on the non-English speaker. I have traveled extensively around the USA and out of the country, mostly in Central and South America, but it is my experience that those countries that have a more chauvinistic attitude about things in general, and particularly about their native language, are the least enjoyable to visit.



On the other hand, those countries which have nurtured me in my experience and my attempts to embrace their culture and their language have been the most enjoyable. I am just saying that there is no explanation for, or justification for the treatment of these people who admire our culture, economy and our way of life.



Consider these concepts from the Declaration of Independence:



"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that ALL men [which includes women] EVERYWHERE are created equal; that they are endowed by their Creator certain unalienable rights, among them are LIFE, LIBERTY, and the PURSUIT OF HAPPINESS."



I submit that to treat anyone any differently than we treat ourselves is antithetical to our fundamental beliefs and the foundations of our American way of life, and would therefore be un-American.



Sincerely,

ED Magedson

EDitor@ripoffreport.com

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Balderdash and Hogwash are nice words for lies; illegal still means ILLEGAL... look to the roots for the cause

AUTHOR: Wesley - ()

POSTED: Wednesday, September 18, 2002

Get beyond all the hogwash, balderdash, and extremely tangled webs woven by both sides, and what one comes up with is a few facts:



(1. Illegal immigration is illegal. That means

uncontrolled, and in Arizona, it is tied

in with all sorts of other illegal

businesses, especially car theft, illegal

drugs, prostitution, and slavery...

Those sorts of tie-ins are why immigration

needs to be controlled, even if rather

casually, just as a means of assuring

that other crimes and illnesses are not

exported without restraint. Which at this

precise moment in history, they are.



(2. Illegal immigration from Mexico (and to a

lesser extent, from El Salvador, Honduras,

etc.) is a tool being used as an alternative

to birth control and honest government,

to dump excessive people, rather than face

up the real shortcomings. "Honest

government" and "birth control" are

blasphemies in these countries.



(3. Illegal immigration is a tool used by

other criminals in the United States

to artificially keep wages below any

standard of living, and do not accept

the lie that this does not impact natives.

Calculate where the illegals are, check

per annum income, and these comprise the

lowest wages in the United States. In

already terminally corrupt, criminally-run

communities like Mesa, Arizona, this is

so painfully obvious that the local

"civil servants" are often directly involved

in supplying illegal and convict labor

to the brethren, all over the county,

most of whom DO NOT GET PAID AT ALL!!!!



(4. Illegal immigration is criminal, and

its potential consequences make entire

series of crimes more likely and easier.





Illustration? In Mesa, a family occupied a house for over two years, dealt drugs openly, held loud, wild parties several times weekly, many citizen complaints with the idiots who call themselves the local "police" were filed. They were prostituting their underage "daughters" (who may not even have been relatives, no one seems to know) right on the property, and selling stolen stereo equipment. These are just the things that are known and provable. That they have since been evicted and incarcerated happened only because DPS noticed their two nearly-new trucks had invalid plates which did not match the VIN numbers, and the vehicles proved to be STOLEN.



Did we mention, this family was also involved in a "Coyote" operation in Mesa, right out in the open, in which 30 or more illegals were brought in weekly. Again, this and many other obvious

violations were reported.



And again, nothing happened. There was gunfire on the property, and at least one knife fight. All had witnesses, everything was reported, NOTHING WAS DONE.



Tell whatever lies you like. This is a conspiracy, and it is very, very real. The Mexican illegals are, really, the primary VICTIMS, and they wind up being bled on both ends. Lack of any meaningful law enforcement in this city makes it worse. Lack of labor laws in Arizona makes it still worse. And corrupt local courts and city administration, especially the useless City Manager, add pain to the mix, and make SURE if affects everyone.



This is a city which is literally sick. Illegals are just one of the many symptoms, albeit also part of the main disease.



Whoever crosses ANY national border with intent to live in another country MUST at least be willing to comply with federal law, and must be willing to be "trackable" while within those borders.

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AUTHOR: robert - ()

POSTED: Tuesday, September 10, 2002

First of all I didn't want to be involved in a pissing contest with anybody. Your taking my coments as a racist opinion. I do feel sorry for the mexicans that are here to work. Frankly I don't care where they send the money that they make because you are right when you say they take jobs that I wont take. However, I can't stand the ones that are born here complaining about America being a bad place. It is not the mexicans that are here to work that bother me, it is the ones that come here and expect the privilages of an American when they don't even respect our country. For example: they drive around with Mexican flags (not an American flag)on thier uninsured cars, they refuse to learn english even though they are in an english speaking country and they expect the "Americans" that interact with them to learn spanish. It is sad when in "America", I can't go to a fast food restaurant without encountering at least one employee at the counter who can not speak english. When I run into the rare immigrant that can speak broken english, I overhear them bragging about how they are taking over at least part of California (again I am not refering to the immigrants that are here to work to support their families). I do not have a problem with the immigrants that come here to support their families. Maybe instead of coming here just for the money to support 13 kids, they should buy birth control for their wife and thier daughters. You said that Mexico is like a third world country, well then, answer this for me; why when people live in such poverty would they want to have so many children knowing that they will go hungry, they will not get an education, or be able to have proper medical care. If Mexico was not so over populated they might have a chance of making it better but they don't want that, they just want to make an endless supply of babies. I know that you will be thinking to yourself that I am racist after reading these comments but, it was not me who said these things. It was my "mexican" fiance.

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EDitor's REBUTTAL to the above comments

AUTHOR: - ()

POSTED: Tuesday, September 10, 2002

Robert,



You ask so many questions I don't know where to start. How about I start by asking you some questions.



Do you have any idea why so many Mexicans come to the United States? Let me help you out... It's to find jobs to make more money in a month than they can in a year in their own economy. It is such a profittable enterprise for the government of Mexico that they encourage their citizens to go to the US.



Why? ..Because those who do migrate illegally GET JOBS, and send $9 billion dollars to Mexico each year.



Now here is the good part. Most people say that since they send their entire money home it is actually a drain on our economy. Not true. FACT: The money sent to Mexico represents only about 15% of the money earned. That means that 85% remains here in the US and since they never claim the benefits, SSI deductions are a gift to the American public for our hospitality.



Then I often hear that Mexicans take jobs away from Americans. Who is scrambling for the jobs they do? Most are day laborers; taking outside jobs in the hot Southwest US middays, gardening, picking fruit, construction cleanup, concrete pouring, etc. These jobs are plenty, not enough laborers for all of them.



What handouts? Mexicans come here and work like dogs for so little. Most are being taken advantage of by the white man. ..How do I know this? About 5 years ago before starting Rip-off Report.com, I started a help program for the Mexican DAY Labor Workers. I personally went after business owners that picked up the Mexicans, working them all day or all week long, then dropping them off at the end of the day far away from their home, throwing them out of the pickup truck with out their pay, yelling out to them the threat of calling the police on them so they would be deported. This is a criminal act, theft of services with the intent to defraud, a felony.



To this day, the flyers I created 5 years ago are still passed out to the Mexican Day Labor Workers, in Arizona, advising them on how to act, things like, not to step out into the street, where to stand and wait for work, and most importantly, to always take a pen with them and to always immediately write down the vehicle license plate number on the flyer and to call a special number if they were not paid. A free service I provide.

In all cases (over 100 to date) have been white business owners. In every case, they paid either double or triple what they owe. The flyers are in Spanish on one side and English on the other side. This has been very effective.



Also, your comparison between Mexicans and Europeans is ridiculous! There is a big difference between Europeans that came to the US and Mexican Indians trying to escape the depression and starvation in their country. Those European countries were well educated people. Mexico is like a 3rd world country and very poor to begin with still today with little or no education.



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most of the european immigrants didnt expect hand outs

AUTHOR: robert - ()

POSTED: Wednesday, September 04, 2002

most of the european immigrants didnt expect hand outs



ok. i would really like to say mean things to the person who originally posted this report. in fact, i read most of it and tried to put myself in these immigrants shoes. however, before i felt sympathy, i read a sentence comparing mexican immigrants to european immigrants. correct me if im wrong but when germans, poles,etc came here to escape europe, nobody here gave them handouts. in fact i dont think they expected any. they were just happy to be here. why cant these mexicans feel the same way. i struggle every day, and im a white man. where are my special priveleges for that? im sorry these people dont like so-called "inhumane" living conditions, but if its that bad why dont they go back to wherever they were, since it apparently is better.

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Blame the local filthy scum for what they are...MormoNazis of the lowest order....

AUTHOR: robert - ()

POSTED: Monday, September 02, 2002

If you live with these filthy scum and their 24 hour-daily mariachi music and drinking beer, you begin to understand.



Luster and Hutchinson are the cause: they need to find legitimate work, with the dirtwads they call "police"... Maybe in the fields, picking lettuce. This is a conspiracy to hold local wages down. A lynch mob is too good for this garbage!



Vote them and Keno Hawker out of office, and replace the Mormon Mafia with something better.



No more Mexican invasion!

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Blame the local filthy scum for what they are...MormoNazis of the lowest order....

AUTHOR: robert - ()

POSTED: Monday, September 02, 2002

If you live with these filthy scum and their 24 hour-daily mariachi music and drinking beer, you begin to understand.



Luster and Hutchinson are the cause: they need to find legitimate work, with the dirtwads they call "police"... Maybe in the fields, picking lettuce. This is a conspiracy to hold local wages down. A lynch mob is too good for this garbage!



Vote them and Keno Hawker out of office, and replace the Mormon Mafia with something better.



No more Mexican invasion!

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Blame the local filthy scum for what they are...MormoNazis of the lowest order....

AUTHOR: robert - ()

POSTED: Monday, September 02, 2002

If you live with these filthy scum and their 24 hour-daily mariachi music and drinking beer, you begin to understand.



Luster and Hutchinson are the cause: they need to find legitimate work, with the dirtwads they call "police"... Maybe in the fields, picking lettuce. This is a conspiracy to hold local wages down. A lynch mob is too good for this garbage!



Vote them and Keno Hawker out of office, and replace the Mormon Mafia with something better.



No more Mexican invasion!

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Blame the local filthy scum for what they are...MormoNazis of the lowest order....

AUTHOR: robert - ()

POSTED: Monday, September 02, 2002

If you live with these filthy scum and their 24 hour-daily mariachi music and drinking beer, you begin to understand.



Luster and Hutchinson are the cause: they need to find legitimate work, with the dirtwads they call "police"... Maybe in the fields, picking lettuce. This is a conspiracy to hold local wages down. A lynch mob is too good for this garbage!



Vote them and Keno Hawker out of office, and replace the Mormon Mafia with something better.



No more Mexican invasion!

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"Illegal" is not synonomous with "immigrant"...

AUTHOR: Jim - ()

POSTED: Tuesday, August 20, 2002

As one who lives with the filth, crime,

disorder, and stench of illegal immigration

every day, I can tell some things that the

well-heeled apparently do not know.



First, the very presence of uncredentialed immigrants in ANY country means their is a population essentially beyond the law, already in violation just for being where they are.



Second, by sheer numbers, Mexican immigrants destroy property values and directly attack all manner of societal organization.



Third, coming from the ugly rural areas they do, they have NO CONCEPT of learning the rules of their resident country, and no interest in adapting. Right now, an apartment on this property is being cleaned out, and its residents were part of a "coyote" operation. They were both manufacturing drugs AND slaughtering animals IN THE APARTMENT. The stench and danger is beyond belief. All of this was reported to the Mesa Police over the course of more than three years, and they never even BEGAN so much as a casual investigation.



Fourth, the more pressure this huge flight takes off Mexico, the less likely reforms are in that tortured country.



Fifth, Mexico's OWN policy toward northbound illegal immigration from Honduras and Guatemala into their country is simple: THEY KILL THEM!!!



Sixth, this huge, mostly non-voting population allows, in Mesa, the local Mormon power structure to manipulate everything from property values to wages, to keep their criminal conspiracy going.



What it is, truly, constitutes an infection. And the local administration will do nothing, apparently neither will the feds.

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"Illegal" is not synonomous with "immigrant"...

AUTHOR: Jim - ()

POSTED: Tuesday, August 20, 2002

As one who lives with the filth, crime,

disorder, and stench of illegal immigration

every day, I can tell some things that the

well-heeled apparently do not know.



First, the very presence of uncredentialed immigrants in ANY country means their is a population essentially beyond the law, already in violation just for being where they are.



Second, by sheer numbers, Mexican immigrants destroy property values and directly attack all manner of societal organization.



Third, coming from the ugly rural areas they do, they have NO CONCEPT of learning the rules of their resident country, and no interest in adapting. Right now, an apartment on this property is being cleaned out, and its residents were part of a "coyote" operation. They were both manufacturing drugs AND slaughtering animals IN THE APARTMENT. The stench and danger is beyond belief. All of this was reported to the Mesa Police over the course of more than three years, and they never even BEGAN so much as a casual investigation.



Fourth, the more pressure this huge flight takes off Mexico, the less likely reforms are in that tortured country.



Fifth, Mexico's OWN policy toward northbound illegal immigration from Honduras and Guatemala into their country is simple: THEY KILL THEM!!!



Sixth, this huge, mostly non-voting population allows, in Mesa, the local Mormon power structure to manipulate everything from property values to wages, to keep their criminal conspiracy going.



What it is, truly, constitutes an infection. And the local administration will do nothing, apparently neither will the feds.

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#23 Consumer Suggestion

"Illegal" is not synonomous with "immigrant"...

AUTHOR: Jim - ()

POSTED: Tuesday, August 20, 2002

As one who lives with the filth, crime,

disorder, and stench of illegal immigration

every day, I can tell some things that the

well-heeled apparently do not know.



First, the very presence of uncredentialed immigrants in ANY country means their is a population essentially beyond the law, already in violation just for being where they are.



Second, by sheer numbers, Mexican immigrants destroy property values and directly attack all manner of societal organization.



Third, coming from the ugly rural areas they do, they have NO CONCEPT of learning the rules of their resident country, and no interest in adapting. Right now, an apartment on this property is being cleaned out, and its residents were part of a "coyote" operation. They were both manufacturing drugs AND slaughtering animals IN THE APARTMENT. The stench and danger is beyond belief. All of this was reported to the Mesa Police over the course of more than three years, and they never even BEGAN so much as a casual investigation.



Fourth, the more pressure this huge flight takes off Mexico, the less likely reforms are in that tortured country.



Fifth, Mexico's OWN policy toward northbound illegal immigration from Honduras and Guatemala into their country is simple: THEY KILL THEM!!!



Sixth, this huge, mostly non-voting population allows, in Mesa, the local Mormon power structure to manipulate everything from property values to wages, to keep their criminal conspiracy going.



What it is, truly, constitutes an infection. And the local administration will do nothing, apparently neither will the feds.

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#22 Consumer Comment

Well Said Sandy!!!!

AUTHOR: Debra - ()

POSTED: Monday, August 19, 2002

I did leave out the maiming and killing.....My car was actully hit by a 17 year old mexican girl who had no insurance, and no license. The car was registered to another illegal who had an illegal (stolen) tag, she spoke no english and it was a hit and run. She did come back later on that night and I called the police but they did nothing to resolve the problem. Her family harrassed my family about the situation---it was her fault---she hit my parked car and caused $3,000.00 dollars worth of damage. She ran back to Mexico to avoid the problem and nothing was ever done about it.



I ,the person whom did nothing wrong except park my car in the wrong place at the wrong time, had to foot the bill for someone else's BS. Did I mention my car was parked in front of my house when it was hit? OF Course a similar situation happened when I was 18 except I was driving and I was rear ended by another 17 year old mexican girl who had no insurance, and no license. It was someone else's car.... well,you get the picture. The point is thing's don't turn out that lucky for other people---at least I am still alive---Think of the unfortunate people who aren't because of the floodgates being open....Thanx Sandy;}

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#21 Consumer Comment

I agree with Debra

AUTHOR: Sandy - ()

POSTED: Thursday, August 15, 2002

I am half American, half Blackfoot Indian and I agree completely with Debra. There are so many Mexicans in the small town where I live that they have built them their own grocery stores, "Cultural Center" and allowed them to drive around with no license, insurance, etc. and maim and kill (yes, kil!!) natural born American citizen and never get as much as a ticket for it!!



We have Germans and Japanese living in this small town too and they are now citizens and own factories and businesses that employ Americans and they give a GREAT deal back to our community.



Do they have stores and Cultural Centers...H**L NO!!!!! And by the way, I own my own home, wash my own clothes and dishes, take care of my own children, have a license and insurance and work very hard for a living. How many of you can say the same?! We as natural born American citizens need to say NO MORE and take back the country that is rightfully ours. If you don't like it, you know where the Rio Grande is!!!

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#20 Consumer Comment

Excuse Me

AUTHOR: Debra - ()

POSTED: Thursday, August 15, 2002

Mr vasquez....I am not white, I'm Native American... and I do my own laundry and watch after my child.... that's more than I can say about the mexicans that live next door to me....throwing their beer bottles in my yard and in my driveway, playing their stupid music all hours of the day and night and letting their numerous children play in the street and terrorize the neighborhood---- these children are as young as 18 months old and as old as maybe 7 years.... My daughter is 7,you won't see her out front of the house causing problems---and she doesn't go outside without me.



You have to admit that these are not model citizens,nor will they ever be----mexicans need to go back to where they came from.I have taken into account that you are mexican and that you are very well spoken and you may have made a positive adjustment to living here in the U.S.,but there are many of whom that have not and have come here to sponge off the welfare system and medical benefits.I just want my country back and for the melting pot to stop simmering....for good.

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#19 Consumer Suggestion

Ok YOU WIN!!

AUTHOR: Victor Vasquez - ()

POSTED: Sunday, August 11, 2002

I would like to comment on the statement made, Mexicans Go Home!! Ok we will as of now all of us. Now lets see who will do your dirty work? Who will clean your homes, apartments, and hotel rooms? You? The soft whites? Who will watch your childern, wash your dirty dishes, or mow your lawns? The ever so lazy blacks? Without us there would be no you! We spend so much money in this country, even though our skin is brown our money is still green.



Your goverment, my goverment collects social, and federal taxes out of our checks every week, money that we will never see because we can never claim that back!! As for all the crime that we do, and welfare that we get... hmm according to your goverment whites count for over 70% of welfare..



The solution is simple, but nobody wants to hear it. People in power love the way things are, we the Mexicans must change it. We must unite, and no longer be afraid of the angry whites, after all there are more of us than them...



Third generation Mexican American

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#18 Consumer Comment

Immi-GO HOME!!!

AUTHOR: Debra - ()

POSTED: Thursday, August 01, 2002

I Am native american---this is the country that was stolen from my people..... I don't like illegal immigrants in my country....if I had the power to block mexicans from the U.S.,I would.



My people were beaten for not speaking english...So why do I have to learn spanish to appease mexicans? Why do I have to put up with gang violence that is being brought to my city?Why do I have to put up with them parking in front of my driveway, barring entrance to park my car in my spot? Jobs being taken by these illegals? Driving and causing wreaks with no licenses or insurance?



These are all things that I and others in my city have had to deal with since the acceptance of illegals has become so wide spread----Yes,as a whole we need to find ways to put them back where they belong---IN mexico.



They have made a mess of their cities and now are moving into our communities and doing the same.

We all have options in this life, so to speak---We have the option to not move to a different country just to be under payed....We have the option to not breed like rabbits and sponge off other people....We have the option to stand up and try to fix the mess that we helped create and not take our mess to a new country and spread it like a disease....I don't feel sorry for those illegals,not one bit----I want mexicans out of my country, EOS.

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EDitorial Response to the Highly-Opinionated Chap above

AUTHOR: - ()

POSTED: Friday, July 19, 2002

Just curious, how long have you had your Green Card? Please be patient with all of us who have been here a while. It is the nature of egualitarian societies to lean toward mediocrity. It is likely you came from a society where there were very few freedoms, and no siestas. (It may not be your cup of chai, but it makes for a very civilized culture.)



Oh, I sense your anger about the situation. I would just say, don't get discouraged with how slowly you are progressing with English. We have a plethora of expletives as there is one you seem to overuse. Once you master English you will be able to amaze your friends, or perhaps in your case, acquaintances or co-workers, with your expertise in cursing. Stick to it, or however you say that in the old country.



EDitor@ripoffreport.com

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AUTHOR: Stop the Immigration to America - ()

POSTED: Tuesday, July 16, 2002

Before you talk about uneducated dumb @$$ people, you need to take a course in spelling.



You said, and I quote "Before this country, I was surrounded by intellectuals, now seeing only the idiots(b/c I own business I deal with US idiots all the time)just piss me the hell out of me seeing unthoughtful, unconsidering, dont know sh*t(emphasize this) remark from stupid people."If you don't like America, or her people, leave.



We do not need a stupid, uneducated person from a third (3rd) world country telling us what we are. It seems to me that you are the "President of the Stupid Idiots Organization".



Since you were an educated teacher from where you came from, did they not teach you proper grammer?



If you are for our country becoming a nasty third world, spanish speaking country thats your problem.



Further more, your people, the immigrants, are almost always nasty, unbathed, poor people that suck the life out of America's economy. You take all the jobs, then send the money back to your home country, then you get on every government welfare program you can, and suck the money right out of the American public's pocket.



This might explain why the American economy is so bad right now. If you all stayed out, we true Americans would be a lot better off.



Go Back To Where You Came From.

Stop the Immigration to America

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Immigration only work with better public understanding

AUTHOR: Sinbad - ()

POSTED: Monday, July 15, 2002

To Mr Knoxville: Stupid mother's V lover



It makes me sad all the time, to see uneducated, low paid, don't know sh*t, and easilly manipulated dumb @$$ people like Knoxy here to comment on illegal immigration issue like he's speaking for the whole. I am a immigrant, from where I am came from I was an educated teacher but living in US, I've become store owner. I see and get a lot of crap from stupid underpaid people like knoxy.



Before this country, I was surrounded by intellectuals, now seeing only the idiots(b/c I own business I deal with US idiots all the time)just piss me the hell out of me seeing unthoughtful, unconsidering, dont know sh*t(emphasize this) remark from stupid people.



I only hope someday there are less stupid people in the world. U know its really true that individual is smart but group of mob is stupid and easilly manipulated b/c of their lack of sense of common.



Please Mr. Knoxville read some book and know your sh*t please.



Yours truly,

From RATIO

(Rage against the idiots organization)

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Tony in Ottawa

AUTHOR: Meghann - ()

POSTED: Tuesday, July 09, 2002

You tell 'em!



It's been getting on my nerves these past 10 months or so, as well. People have even been bitching about Peter Jennings... I couldn't have said it better myself.

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Tony in Ottawa

AUTHOR: Meghann - ()

POSTED: Tuesday, July 09, 2002

You tell 'em!



It's been getting on my nerves these past 10 months or so, as well. People have even been bitching about Peter Jennings... I couldn't have said it better myself.

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Tony in Ottawa

AUTHOR: Meghann - ()

POSTED: Tuesday, July 09, 2002

You tell 'em!



It's been getting on my nerves these past 10 months or so, as well. People have even been bitching about Peter Jennings... I couldn't have said it better myself.

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America and Mexico: Guilty as charged!

AUTHOR: Paul - ()

POSTED: Monday, July 08, 2002

Man, I couldn't agree with you more. Although I live in Oregon I was a resident of Los Angeles for 35 years. The problem is so wide-spread, so rampant, and I don't see a real solution to it because there is no legal authority to turn to.



It's a fact that none of this would happen if Mexico was solvent and America had cajones, also if both governments weren't looking at the dirt poor as robotic automatons, able to work at 3rd world conditions without complaint for generations.



For the American who believes in perhaps an outmoded, old-fashioned ideal of America, that it is a cshining light for economic freedom it is a real blow. NAFTA and it's related cousins have allowed American companies to do the triple whammy; they uproot from their original base, destroying the infrastructure that made them what they are, they take root in Mexico creating maquiladeros which are nothing more than mini-Calcuttas that pay less, and they destroy the border towns, possible prosperity and hope for the people directly affected.



The American Revolution was fought for far less. I think that's the reason gun control is being pushed so hard in the US and is the law in Mexico. The governments fear an uprising.



Stay frosty in Mesa my friend...it's gonna get much worse!

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Take Off Your Rose Coloured Glasses

AUTHOR: Tony - ()

POSTED: Monday, July 08, 2002

I write in response to the posting by Glenn, of Albany, Oregon.



I am a Canadian and have grown more than a little tired of the Canada bashing that has gone on since September 11. Working my country into a comment on illegal immigration and labour in your country is one more manifestation of the ridiculous finger pointing that has taken place.



Glenn, you are quite correct, a country without borders is not a country. I remind you, there is exactly one entity that is responsible for controlling who does and does not enter the U.S. It is the U.S.



As for your comment ?Mexico is lucky like Canada is lucky (But not similar), to have the world's largest capitalist country on it's immediate border, allowing it to do literally nothing for their own people domestically with the knowledge that the unemployed, the starving, the disaffected can always leave.? I suggest that you not pass comment on something you know nothing about. Unlike the U.S., noone in Canada goes without needed medical treatment. Our guarantee of basic human rights is inclusive to all persons regardless of their legal status. I cannot say that I have never heard of a single case of illegal immigrants being abused here, but it is rare. When it is discovered, the people in question are given refugee status until they are either deported or given landed immigrant status.



The idea that we do nothing for our people because we share a border with the largest capitalist country is uninformed, xenophobic nonsense. Not everyone in the world wants to live in the U.S. Canada is one of the countries that accepts immigrants you labelled as unemployed, starving and disaffected. Our culture and policies are quite different to those in your country. Our immigration policies welcome those willing and able to work. It is a simple but effective way of preventing the appalling situation that exists in Arizona and other areas of the southern U.S.



You cannot fix the problems that Mexico faces; it is not your country. You can affect changes to fix the problems in your own country.



What is detailed in the Arizona Farm Owners & Business article is more than simply illegal. It is immoral. Clean your own house before passing judgement on others.

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Illegal Immigrants In America ..Without those immigrants, America would not exist.

AUTHOR: Ray - ()

POSTED: Monday, July 08, 2002

Immigration has played a vital role in America's past. Without those immigrants, America would not exist.



I have lived in Rural Arkansas for the past 18 years. I also have mexicans as neighbors. They are nice people. For the most part, they work right along with the rest of us with out any complaints.



I live close to a city called Warren. I have watched that city go from a thriving economic part of south Arkansas, to a city that can barely survive economically because of the mass influxuation of legal and illegal latino's.



After September 11, I thought that our Government would help curve the immagration from Mexico. How much longer will it be before we are annexed as a part of the United Mexican States (that is Mexico's official name), or will we annex them? Don't get me wrong, I have nothing against Mexicans, but enough is enough. We must do something before English is replaced by Spanish as our main language. If they are coming over here, they should at least have the respect to speak our language.



Before you say why should they change their language to come over here, why should I be forced to take Spanish in high school? Why should I get turned down for a job for the simple reason an underqualified Mexican needs work experience? You were talking about the consquences if they were all rounded up and made to leave, it would make it easier for our nations unemployed to find work. Our crime rate would be down 25% or more. Our cities would not face financial ruin because they can not find the resources to keep up with the strain of unemployement, increased welfare benifits, more police to be added to the payroll to combat the increased drug use.



If someone wants to talk about Civil Rights Violations, where is the justice for the unemployed, the underemployed, the over crowed schools, the underpaid sanitation worker who must fight everyday to support his family, where is the justice of that? Where is the justice for the American Taxpayer who has to shell out extra money each year to support YOUR friends to the south? We are fighting a war in parts of the country. Not a war against terrorism, we are fighting for our way of life. We are fighting for our children to have a quality education. We are fighting for our cities, for everything near and dear to the American spirit. How can our government turn a blind eye towards her citizens?

Where is the justice in that?

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Tell it the way it is, ignore the smoke and name-calling

AUTHOR: james - ()

POSTED: Sunday, July 07, 2002

Fact: Arizona is a "right-to-work" (aka: "right to slowly starve to death) state, anti-union, anti-labor, and unless one is a Mormon, Mesa, in particular, is downright, plain anti-business as well. Mexican labor is being not only tolerated, but actively encouraged, and only the ILLEGAL variety is promoted.



The collection of filthy scum who administer this rotbag city and the rats who describe themselves as the local "police department" are willing to allow this community's non-Mormon, "affordable" neighborhoods get as rotten as it takes to keep labor costs down. It is policy.



Next time you see someone peeing in your parking lot, playing Mariachi music until all hours of the night, or as I did today, making a crack cocaine deal at my very door, do not bother to call anyone associated with city government. They do not want to hear it. These are not merely "illegal" or "undocumented" aliens.



Their transport here and their housing is officially encouraged by a community which has no codes governing rental property. If 35 people live in a one-bedroom apartment, that is fine with the City of Mesa. When crimes are committed in these neighborhoods, there are no investigations, and reports are seldom even taken.



Fact: If some of the jobs taken by these persons paid minimum wage or a dollar or two more, other people would be interested. Work rules, however, would then apply. Illegals can be fired at the drop of a hat, and in Mesa, they are usually unable to get their final pay.



Fact: The situation is vile and ugly for all involved, and encourages crime. That is precisely why this community's leaders promote it.

Mesa itself--the city administrators and city manager, in particular--is a CRIMINAL CONSPIRACY.

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A Nation Without Borders is Not a Nation

AUTHOR: Glenn - ()

POSTED: Saturday, July 06, 2002

My basic and simple answer to any illegal alien working in the US is if you don't like it ...leave. That being said, let me elaborate. There has been quite a bit of ridiculous spouting on this topic and we need to come back to some very basic ideas, some of which seem hard to swallow today in a world where all cultures and nations are granted equal status and value.



1: Mexico is, and always will be unless there is a revolution, a country run by a few families, families with no care for it's citizenry, no plan for the future, no long-term concept of a modern country. These families run the press and all media, they control all the money, and care not a whit for the mestiso population.



2: Mexico is lucky like Canada is lucky (But not similar), to have the world's largest capitalist country on it's immediate border, allowing it to do literally nothing for their own people domestically with the knowledge that the unemployed, the starving, the disaffected can always leave.



3: American businesses are extremely guilty of using this cheap labor. Using it only encourages more illegals. Contractors and farmers counter with 1"who's gonna do it if they don't?", or 2"I'd have to pass the higher price off onto the consumer" or 3"American's won't work as hard".



My answer to all three statements are 1"who does it in the rest of the country?" 2 Really? So, let me get this straight, a house built completely by illegals (as they are in SoCal) should be cheaper than ever before yet they are at record prices today? Who's pocketing the profits? The contractors! 3 Americans won't work as hard? Really? My entire family were pickers, but it's true, we wouldn't pick for illegal alien wages, nor should we have to!



America.....a Nation Without Borders is NOT a Nation. As for those Europeans who came here earlier, let me remind you they came without free healthcare,prenatal care, subsidized housing, DMV and voting manuals in their native language, welfare, etc etc. Take away all the freebees and I'd bet you'd see tail lights to Mexico...the land of not much.

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Illegal... look at history

AUTHOR: J. - ()

POSTED: Friday, July 05, 2002

If I am not mistaken... were those Europeans who landed on Plymouth Rock eyons ago fill out any immigration paper work? Were the Europeans the rightful owners of this part of the America's? Why are we pointing our fingers at someone who comes over here to just get ahead - make it in the Land of Opportunity? We isn't Mr. Knoxvilles focus more on the businesses and people who arrange for their trips over the boarder? Why aren't we also looking at the fact that even tho they are illegal immigrants, they are still being paid less than minimum wage (last I looked that was illegal), and are the employers filling proper tax papers on every penny paid out to these laborers? Why don't we look at the fact that these employers are skirting thier tax responsibility?



Now on to the welfare issue Mr. Knoxville raised. Can you honestly tell me Mr. Knoxville that everytime you had sex that you were ready willing and able to take full responsibility for whatever the outcome? Is this also what you have taught your offspring (if you have any that is). Why is it the woman is always blamed for population issues - last I checked you needed sperm to make a baby also.



Get off your high horse Mr. Knoxville - and remember the next time you eat a delicious orange from Florida - it was probably picked from the groves by an illegal immigrant who is not living off the government and whose employer providesd little to no houseing nor pays taxes for the wages they pay them. Point your finger at the system not those who are victims of it.

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Uh...

AUTHOR: Meghann - ()

POSTED: Thursday, May 30, 2002

...actually, Mr. Xenophobe (look it up, James), those hom*I*cidal (evidently, being raised in the U.S. didn't help your literacy, eh?) terrorists were in the U.S. legally, with student visas and the like. And, contrary to popular wisdom, not one of them entered through Canada (I heard a lot about that from my American comrades in the days following), so you can't blame the Canadian government, either.



Let's face it, the U.S. is a pretty good place to live, compared with living conditions elsewhere. There are always going to be people who will try to get here at all costs. The U.S. people need to decide what to do about this. Perhaps the INS should get on the stick; after all, if the Sept. 11 terrorists hadn't been granted permission to enter by YOUR OWN GOVERNMENT, well, let's just say we might have held onto our innocence a bit longer. And if Woody had just gone straight to the police, none of this every would have happened.



Oh, and by the way...one of the things that makes the U.S. a great place to be - better than a lot of other countries where rights are trampled with impunity (look it up) - is that EVERYONE'S rights are protected. Even those who aren't here legally; even those who aren't citizens; even those who weren't born here. It's a slippery slope; you have to protect everyone, or you could end up protecting no one.



And finally, if you can't trace your lineage back to the first primitive folks to walk upright on this continent, your family came from somewhere else, too. If someone had treated your forebearers the way you propose these people be treated, you might not be lucky enough to be on this side of the fence, free to express your opinion. Remember that when you're spouting off about "saving" this country from immigrants.

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Arguing the Rebuttal

AUTHOR: M. - ()

POSTED: Wednesday, May 29, 2002

In response to the response made from Knoxville, Tennessee. Many people, like James, are bitter of having migrant workers "take American jobs" and "costing tax dollars". Yet when I drive by a group of people waiting to be taken to the fields to work I never see an "American" in the bunch.



Let's be honest with ourselves, why hasn't anyone done anything about the imigration problem in the Mexican-American border, because in reality, it is not a problem. Migrant workers keep Americas economy moving fast enough to avoid having to depend on another country to feed its people.



Mr. Knoxville Tennessee, more then likely your tax dollars are going to an American who A; got pregnant at fifteen or B; tripped over his own foot in the 80's and has been recieving disability since. I agree that the government makes it real easy for a given person to be lazy.



But I don't believe accusing the people that make it easy for you to feed your family is right. They put in more man hours and ARE taxed for the little income they recieve, however it is filed in the employers books, yet they don't file taxes and never really expect to get any of that money back. Before anyone opens there mouth and easily blames migrant families for what they've given them in tax dollars, think what they have given you.

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Arguing the Rebuttal

AUTHOR: M. - ()

POSTED: Wednesday, May 29, 2002

In response to the response made from Knoxville, Tennessee. Many people, like James, are bitter of having migrant workers "take American jobs" and "costing tax dollars". Yet when I drive by a group of people waiting to be taken to the fields to work I never see an "American" in the bunch.



Let's be honest with ourselves, why hasn't anyone done anything about the imigration problem in the Mexican-American border, because in reality, it is not a problem. Migrant workers keep Americas economy moving fast enough to avoid having to depend on another country to feed its people.



Mr. Knoxville Tennessee, more then likely your tax dollars are going to an American who A; got pregnant at fifteen or B; tripped over his own foot in the 80's and has been recieving disability since. I agree that the government makes it real easy for a given person to be lazy.



But I don't believe accusing the people that make it easy for you to feed your family is right. They put in more man hours and ARE taxed for the little income they recieve, however it is filed in the employers books, yet they don't file taxes and never really expect to get any of that money back. Before anyone opens there mouth and easily blames migrant families for what they've given them in tax dollars, think what they have given you.

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Arguing the Rebuttal

AUTHOR: M. - ()

POSTED: Wednesday, May 29, 2002

In response to the response made from Knoxville, Tennessee. Many people, like James, are bitter of having migrant workers "take American jobs" and "costing tax dollars". Yet when I drive by a group of people waiting to be taken to the fields to work I never see an "American" in the bunch.



Let's be honest with ourselves, why hasn't anyone done anything about the imigration problem in the Mexican-American border, because in reality, it is not a problem. Migrant workers keep Americas economy moving fast enough to avoid having to depend on another country to feed its people.



Mr. Knoxville Tennessee, more then likely your tax dollars are going to an American who A; got pregnant at fifteen or B; tripped over his own foot in the 80's and has been recieving disability since. I agree that the government makes it real easy for a given person to be lazy.



But I don't believe accusing the people that make it easy for you to feed your family is right. They put in more man hours and ARE taxed for the little income they recieve, however it is filed in the employers books, yet they don't file taxes and never really expect to get any of that money back. Before anyone opens there mouth and easily blames migrant families for what they've given them in tax dollars, think what they have given you.

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get i.n.s working

AUTHOR: james - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Saturday, April 20, 2002

now we all know what "illegal" means dont we ?maybe if attourney general john ashcroft got the nerve to round up "illegals " there wouldnt be this problem ,put our national guard to work and build a 25 ft high fence along the mexican border topped with razor wire,and a 25 ft. mine field and another wall topped with razor wire with guard post every mile.we all remember sept 11 ,all of those terrorist homocidal maniacs were here illeagally ,if an "illeagal immigrant" complains of sexual abuse, tough , im tired of hearing about their rights.so are millions of other americans i think its time we stop the welfare checks and put these "dead beats" who can work but sit around collecting the tax money that hard working americans like me pay ,close our borders to immigrants ,cut off the well fare in 6 months and put these "bums"to work im tired of paying for their booze and drugs and for the women and girls to have 5 children outside marriage .wake up america were loosing our country slowly.

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