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Complaint Review: Scentura Creations, C.E.O. Management

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  • Submitted: Mon, February 23, 2009
  • Updated: Sun, April 05, 2009

  • Reported By:hayward California
Scentura Creations, C.E.O. Management
Soto Rd, Hayward, California U.S.A.
  • Phone: 510-5816030
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  • Category: Employers

Scentura Creations, C.E.O. Management taking advantage of those who are down and out with promises of paid training and a decent salary Hayward California

*UPDATE Employee: I am A Succsesful Owner In Maryland, 342 Bottles last week

*UPDATE EX-employee responds: Join me, I'm in early works to take these guys down in the Chicago area. We need people in other states as well!

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I would like to UNITE the people who have been taken in by this fraud. There are so many young, impressionable, poverty stricken people who truly believe that all of their financial problems will be solved, if they can just stick through the training. Sure, I believe its possible, for a select few... just check your morals and ethics at the door, put on a smile, and come on in!
I stayed a full week, knowing it was a scam, but too curious to just leave... I wanted to know how they did it!

The whole idea is based on sales and recruiting, recruiting, recruiting.... but if everyone who comes in (7-15 people a week, just in hayward) gets to start their own office, wont the exponential growth of the business eventually drown itself out? I was told that, of course, not EVERYONE can open their own office! Lie #1.

I was told I would be required to work 5 days a week, monday through friday, 9:00 to 5:30... but then I was told that saturdays were mandatory/optional.... hmmm, what does THAT mean... and Sundays, and when you go home, and when you go out... okay, so personal time is out the window, I guess. I can deal with that, if I'm making money, sure, the few hundred dollars per week for training, right? And I'll get time off when I get to open my office, this is only temporary, right? No no no.... If you have no personal time, you cant talk to your friends and family, you become separated, and the only people you get to speak to are your trainers and co-workers, so the brainwashing continues. Oh, and when the end of my first week came around and I expect to see a paycheck, no no, I now have to wait until the end of my second week! Some of the people I was with hadn't been paid at all for 3 or 4 weeks, but still believed in the dream... Lie #2.

Then I decided I would go on the 'fun car' trip... you know what I mean, when they get four people together and you go somewhere far from home to sell where they dont know you, get a hotel room, and come back the next day. At first I was under the impression that we would be staying in San Jose, because thats where we went that morning. The San Jose office was interesting, there were a lot of people, there was loud music, everyone was smiling and welcoming, I liked it. Then the meeting started, promotions were handed out, I got promoted. Everyone acted like a cheerleader, that kind of thing... Then we all branch off into our separate cars and head on our merry way. My car went to Napa, so I had to call my family and tell them that I was going to Napa and not San Jose for the night (at this point my dad was thinking that I had been caught up in some sort of prostitution ring).

I had to stay the night in a motel 6 room with two men and one other woman that I had just met, with only two beds in the room. I've stayed at hotels for work before, and an employer NEVER places men and women in the SAME ROOM. So we start selling in parking lots and in small businesses, avoiding security and police like we were doing something WRONG. The police get called on us twice, and I find out that my trainer, Ivan, thinks that its not worthwhile to pay for a soliciting permit because it would be too expensive... No matter that its the law, we want to save money. Oh, and on the subject of freehashing (for those of you who dont know, freehashing is begging for free food after you try to sell to the nice people working the counter at fast food restaurants) I think that its just immoral.

The people that I worked with know how to hustle, and one of these days one of those poor fast food workers is going to get fired because of them. When I brought the subject up to Ivan, he said "thats ok, because its a dead end job anyways, I would be doing them a FAVOR". Lies Lies Lies.....

So my point is, anyone who has been or is being scammed by these people, and has begun to realize what they are really all about, contact me! post here, call the better business bureau, just DO SOMETHING. Dont let another single mother, young father, hopeful teenager, or recently laid off honest worker throw away their time and dignity. It matters.

Julie
hayward, California
U.S.A.

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#1 UPDATE Employee

I am A Succsesful Owner In Maryland, 342 Bottles last week

AUTHOR: Mdwethebest - (U.S.A.)

First off, let me introduce myself. My name is Earley Gaynor, I went through training a year and a half ago in middlesex, new jersey. When I first started I answered the ad just like everyone else. But unlike the other people that I started with, I stuck with it and I finished the program. When I started I was in Job Corp, I was broke and I had no plan in life. I went from job to job to job until finally I answered the ad, Donnie did my first interview and he gave me the opportunity of a lifetime. When I started I had to do some sales (just like everyone else) but instead of quitting, I had to work harder. Long story short I finished the program in ten weeks (two weeks shorter than my goal). I now run a location of my own in Lanham, Maryland, which means I am a promotion of Donnie and Holly's. I now do the same job that they do, I signed up to be a manager and that is exactly what I am. I didn't get in this to do sales (which no one does). Donnie told me that I could make 30K my first year in the first interview. But in my business in its first year, I made $82,000. I feel like I scammed Donnie. People who blow out in their first or second week obviously didn't understand the business. They give anyone, no matter what race,color,gender, or age, the same opportunity they gave me. Free merchandise, free training, (the day you have to pay for something should be a red flag for you no matter what business) and they also give you the opportunity to move to any state with a business for free. Like I said I went through training in New Jersey and I got the freedom to move to Maryland. Any person with a brain can look at all these negative letters and see that people run offices all over the country. So ask yourself, how did they get there? They got promoted there obviously. Running your own business isn't going to happen overnight, it takes more time and dedication to be successful in this and in any business. Anyone who says this is a pyramid scam or that you dont get promoted doesn't know what THE
F*** your talking about. Everyone has the exact same equal opportunity. All it takes to complete training is working hard( for yourself), dedication, and a little blind faith, believing that Donnie and Holly will get you open. I am so confident that I am going to leave my phone number (NOT FOR BLOWOUTS) but for people who actually want some advice on how to run a successful business for Scentura. 301 577 6694 Ofiice Number or 240-330-7566. I have alot of respect for Donnie and Holly because if I was in the position, I wouldn't even bother running an office I would retire. They are great people and unbelievable promoting owners. I am 21 years old, I am black and I make decent money. Thanks to Larry Hohn for giving me the opportunity. When an opportunity like this comes your way it isn't about what someone else did or does for you but what you do with the opportunity yourself. See you at the top.
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Join me, I'm in early works to take these guys down in the Chicago area. We need people in other states as well!

AUTHOR: Noah From Chicago - (U.S.A.)

I'm a man who fell for the exact same swindle back in early 2005. You can look up my original story dated 2/21/2005. Not much of a difference from everyone else's story except I didn't get screwed out of house and home like so many other unfortunate people. Now that I've moved on to a real job doing what I want to do (helping people find steady paying jobs and improve their skills), I'm looking to become an advocate against this company. I'm still in my early phases of planning but rest assured it's in the works.

The first phase involves this site in with which I've been giving my upmost effort to squeeze a little bit of truth out of these crooks. I started by posting a consumer suggestion and I received a response from Rob Zuckert the head scam artist in the Chicago area. Below is our back and forth. I'm confident enough to say I clearly won this debate.

Before you read this let me know if you want to get involved hit me up at noah2314@yahoo.com


MY POST - Any Honesty Out There?
Scentura insiders will always tell you how great of an opportunity it is and how much money you can make. If you're willing to make a career out of selling cologne without a sales permit in questionable neighborhoods for little to no money that's your choice, but that's not the point. The point is that the ads this company places are full of lies and inaccuracies. They're also very reluctant to give you an accurate job description so it catches a lot of people by surprise which would account for so many people reporting to this site.

I honestly don't understand why Scentura can't take a different approach. Perhaps if they would just advertise the job for what it really is they wouldn't get such a bad reputation. Maybe just be straight up with people and tell them it's a commission based sales position with potentially fast advancement opportunities, something a little less deceptive. Also, why not encourage questions rather than demeaning intelligent people with legitimate concerns?

Some of those you call blow outs" are upset because they quit a career with a steady paycheck only to find out they'll have to go weeks with insufficient income. For someone living check to check that can literally ruin their life especially if they're not cut out for sales.

So do any of you successful rebutters or Scentura insiders have the balls to give me an honest answer?


ROB'S POST - We keep goin' round in circles!
Dear Noah,

Yes, it is true that people that OWN their own business that sells Scentura products will tell you that it is a very lucrative business to be in. Because it is! But, let's not forget the tremendous effort, long hours, sometimes discouraging moments they had to persist through. Also, the development of the good personal habits it takes to be at your best for your people on a daily basis. And, thats not even scratching the surface because there is also good money handling and empathetic people skills to develop. All very difficult for most people, let alone for someone in their 20's. Yes, it is true that our people have the opportunity to market the products wherever they would like. And perhaps,even some people would choose to go to less than savory areas that others like myself would never go to for the purpose of marketing the products. But, that is a wonderful thing in that some people that LOVE our product work in these areas and appreciate the fact that some of our people feel very comfortable in those areas. Don't insult others just because they don't have your 'affluence'. Also, areas can seem to be very 'seedy' but, are otherwise, regular areas of business and trade during daylight hours. I by no means liked to work low income areas when I was learning to sell the product. If I'm looking to do lots of business, then working those types of areas would be very self defeating. There is business to be done in those types of areas, but I felt like my product and myself, for that matter, could appeal to a more professional business environment. There are people that I work with that do feel more confident and comfortable dealing with people more similar to their heritage or background. That is true of people of all industries. That is why there are other business owners who open business' in what we refer to as very diverse areas.

We advertise in a way so as to appeal to a very diverse group of people. That is what most successful business' do. We do advertise for management and assistant management opportunities, which is what the job ultimately is. What a person has to go through to train for the position is disclosed though the interview process. If you have been on the interview trail, you should know that we are way more forthcoming with the description and details than any other business that offers advancement opportunities. Perhaps you are trying to correlate with and then confused by the business' that hire for a particular position that requires little to no training. A cashier or sales clerk or front desk attendant or restaurant server, for example. But, these positions offer little to know upward mobility. The people who have advanced from a job similar to above to a more responsible position must have certainly exceeded their beginning job requirements. That is typically why a company considers a person for advancement. The beauty of owning one of these business' is that there is no ceiling and the financial investment out of pocket is nil. Therefore, we take down all the roadblocks or pitfalls to someone owning and operating their own business i.e. lack of capital, lack of education, lack of expertise at continuing to grow and operate their own company, or just the need to have professional or personal advice from someone who has gone through similar experiences. I'm not sure where someone would have interviewed where questions were not allowed. Maybe, we just weren't going to pick that person, so their questions would have been of no consequence anyways.

AS FAR AS QUITTING A CAREER? My wife and I quit what others perceived as GREAT(ugh) JOBS, if there is such a thing when you work for other people. I was at mine for 6 years and was making 28k back in 1989-90. She was at hers for 3 and was making 17k. Together, 45k!!! We not only quit our careers but we invested thousands of dollars to relocate to a new city to begin training! I know of no one who quit their chosen 'profession' to just give this business a try. I do know people who quit deadend jobs to join our business and just give it a try. Why not try getting committed before you start. If the people you allude to weren't ready to move on from their current position, then why were they looking in the first place? We have people that tell us in the interview process that they may not be a good candidate because they don't want to leave what they currently do. Remember, the reason people can't go multiple weeks without their same level of income as previous is because of lack of proper money management or the previous job paid them just enough to get by. Some life!!! What if that person were to get sick and be out of work for 10 days? Or, heaven forbid, an auto accident? And the list goes on! WAKE UP, A 2 DAY RELATIONSHIP OR A WEEK RELATIONSHIP WITH US IS NOT THE ROOT OF THE PROBLEM!!!! The people who do the best in our business are not necessarily good salespeople, but, are actually the most committed and have the most conviction for what they are doing. Therefore, the general public receives them very well because of this committment. Don't insult other people's intelligence with the hubbub that the only people who thrive in our business are the ones who become expert salespeople. If a person is a good candidate to run a business, they are a good candidate to run a business. But, results do speak volumes about a persons committment level, work ethic, trainability, and enthusiasm. Don't tell me some people aren't cut out for sales. People aren't cut out to do a lot of things. It's called development!!! And in this case, it doesn't take long to teach and show someone how to peddle a $20-$30 product that smells good and lasts for months. Please! Its not a car, real estate, insurance, a knife that costs $100, a vaccuum that costs $2000 or any other sales opportunity that takes months, and in some cases, years to develop. And, not to be forgotten, learning the peddling of the product leads to long term SECURITY! So, I don't know if I have 'balls' and that is why I responded to your suggestion. Moreso, I call it experience! I was once the person who you described above, but, I GOT SICK AND TIRED OF BEING THAT PERSON! I did something about before I was too old and had too many debts and responsibilities and, therefore, become enslaved to my crummy 'career'. Rob



MY POST - I said an honest answer, I'm not an applicant Rob
YOU have obviously done well at YOUR branch (I'll be fair and forego asking how many people you had to ream in order to get there.) However, there are a number of branches out there that place completely phony ads, give no job description, promise money without delivering and threaten people with termination for asking questions. As large of a company as Scentura is there doesn't appear to be any sort of company oversight as to how owners run their offices. It reminds me of modern Wall Street, regulations were removed and the big wigs ran things however they saw fit.

It may not apply to you or myself but there are people who quit both good paying and dead end jobs with steady pay checks because the idea of a management position is attractive to almost anyone. While this may offer a chance to make better money it isn't guaranteed. Nowhere in my experience did they ever make it clear that your pay is 100% sales based. They didn't even tell me what the job duties would be until I had already got into a car on the way to sell. They promised me a reward of $750 for selling the most, which I did (12 bottles in 1 night) and got nothing, not a fucking penny.

Not sure if you're familiar with the concept of benefits but in the normal working world companies offer a wide array of benefits including health insurance, dental coverage, disability and life insurance so that's what happens if someone gets sick, or in an accident.

I admit this was a few years ago and I'm now in a steady career making good money and I don't have to sell a fucking thing. I'll also admit that I'm not cut out for sales and if they told me it was all sales I wouldn't have bothered



ROB'S POST - Thank you for clarifying...!
Thank you for clarifying that you never contacted my business. Never interviewed at my business. Nor, never worked with me or my wife through our business location. It is a bummer that you didn't have a better experience with the business you interviewed at. Sorry for them, as perhaps you were a good candidate for ownership, but, for whatever reasons, it didn't work out for you.
I am very familiar with the concept of benefits. My wife and myself both gave up those company provided benefits when we left our employment status with our previous employers. What I found was the benefits that come with running your own business are much greater than any employer provided, which, by the way, can be taken away for a variety of reasons that do not necessarily only happen from job loss. As you may or may not know, the tax benefits on your income from running your own business are incredible. It is not typical for the common employed person to be aware of this.

You sound like you have located quite the employed status with a very generous employer if you receive the benefits from them that you have mentioned. But, realistically speaking, I know of no employer that offers disability and life insurance. That would be up to the individual to acquire, which, if you own your own business, then you know you are eligible to write the premiums off against your income. My wife being from the dental profession happened to mention it is not the norm. for companies to also pay for dental coverages. Which, by the way: If you think the company you work for offers these benefits to you at their expense, you are mislead by them. The employees of companies pay for these coverages somehow, whether you know it or not. Companies do not pick up the tab just because...! And that is also wonderful for you that your job description doesn't require you to do any sales, but, of course, you know you wouldn't have that job if not for the area of that business that generates the income through the selling of a service or product!



MY POST - Still not Honesty Rob
It was in 2004 at the Aurora office and yes I did meet you at the Elmhurst office. Looks like you've been with Scentura for too long because Life Insurance and Disability are fairly common benefits these days. Dental coverage is also a standard benefit these days and is very affordable not matter what salary level you're at. I'm talking $8-20 per pay period and usually the company covers 30-60%. It's true that no company pays the entire expense but they do pay a fair share, just because THAT'S WHAT GOOD LEGITIMATE COMPANIES DO!! I'm not knocking sales people in anyway just the pyramid schemes that Scentura and other multi-level marketing companies implement.

I'm a sympathetic man and my experience with Scentura was by far the worst in my career and I'm willing do whatever it takes to stop more people from experiencing the same disappointment your company has brought and continues to bring on so many others.

Since you continue to dance around the issue of false advertising, deception and false promises, you have now clearly demonstrated how little you know about how good legitimate companies work.
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