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Vector Marketing - Alcas And Cutco Fraudulant Business Practices Olean New York

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Vector Marketing - Alcas - Cutco

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1116 E. State St.
Olean, New York, 14760
U.S.A.

Submitted: 11/6/2003 3:21:49 PM

Modified: 10/17/2008 2:29:33 PM
Reported By

Chad

Osseo, Minnesota

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I was enticed by a Job offer from Vector Marketing after responding to an ad that said $12/hr which I later found to be a total misrepresentation of their pay system but I called up and was told nothing more about the job than it not being door-to-door sales or telemarketing (which turned out to be a lie).

I got there to find out it was in-home presentation and although I had to go to people's houses, knock on their doors, and give them a salespitch (which suffices to the FTC's definition of door-to-door) other promises of being my own boss and making good cash kept me wanting the job. They hired me, as they hire almost everyone (although they tell you before the 'interviews they only have a few positions available), and I went to training.

It was in training that I found out I had to call people up and solicit sales pitch appointment (even though they said no telemarketing). I was dead set against telemarketing as I find it intrusive and I never came back. I lost at least 9 hours because of their deceptive tactics to recruit me and according to their ad ($12/hr) I should have been paid at least $96, but they won't pay for training.

Further I was kind of turned off by the purchase or deposit on their demo kit, being told I was my own boss and being an independant contractor with no employee rights but then having to follow strict rules and work under a manager, and having to even pay for some optional conferences. Then upon further research of the company I found out that Vector and Cutco have been sued by Arizona in 1990, ordered by Wisconsin not to decieve their recruits anymore in 1994, and sued yet again Australia nine years after the Arizona lawsuit for fraudulant business practices and each time settled and promised not to mislead it's recruits anymore.

I found out David Tatar, a Wisconsin consumer protection investigator, says they surveyed 940 Vector recruits in 1992 and found that almost half either earned nothing or lost money working for Vector and that workers in that state earned less than $3 a day on average selling cutlery for Vector. I found out Vector managers make more commission off their new recruits than even their new recruits do until they sell about $3000 worth making for more incentive to recruit quantitatively instead of qualitatively.

I found out the largest Canadian newspaper, The Toronto Star, wrote an article about fraudulant job advertising in 1994 and wrote that they decided not to run Vector's ads anymore. And I found out that the Better Business Bureau has processed 29 complaints for their lead office in Olean, NY and 6 complaints for their Wilmington, DE location (one of which had to be resolved by a BBB judge) in the last 36 months- which is quite high for the Better Business Bureau especially when considering people at the age of Vector workers generally don't even know who or what the BBB are. Plus there are numerous sites on the internet by disgruntled former workers, one of which is an online petition to 'STOP the Scamful Ways of Vector Marketing and Cutco' that has over 1600 signatures.

Some deceptive things they've been known to say during recruiting are:

a)saying their company has been in business for over 50 years because Cutco has but Vector, whose doing the recruiting and who is contracting out the work, has been in business about half of that

b)saying they are a fortune 500 company while they were purchased from a fortune 500 company 20 years ago

c)talking about scholarship opportunities when only 50 people each summer get real one and they claim to have recruited over 40,000 students last summer (meaning a tenth of a percent), only 1 or 2 of those get the maximum amount of $1000 while more than half of the very small percentage of scholarship winners only get $250 ($100 more than what they paid for demo knives), and one of their 'scholarship' programs only gives money to their school, not their reps, only as a donation and their rep's tuition doesn't get paid by it (yet they still call it a scholarship):
http://vectorscholarships.com/regional-program.htm

d)saying they will be their own boss while they have to go through training, work under a manager, make sales reports, and make meetings

e)saying they are 'guaranteed' a minimum base amount per appointment when if they don't sell they don't get paid anything if the appointment isn't a qualified one by their standards and doesn't meet their restrictions of being one-on-one with someone who is permanently employed and over 25 years old (no housewives, friends under 25, and no group appointments or you don't get paid)

Some of the sales tactics are often considered unethical, underhanded, or fraudulant like:

1)decieving a potential customer over the phone as to why they want to come over: reps have been taught to say their purpose is perfecting a presentation, gaining business experience, anything but giving a sales pitch on knives

2)asking them whether or not the potential customer will buy the set the rep wants them to buy and moving on to the payent plan for it and if not they move on to the next one the rep want them to buy instead of discovering things about the customer and picking out the perfect set for them with that information

3)asking them for the contact info of their friends and family instead of leaving their own contact info behind.

4) giving often fraudulant information such as their Henckles using 420A steel:
http://www.geocities.com/cutcocomplaints/training1.html
when they use a proprietary blend much better than 420A or using information from an ad Cutco made up for Henckels making it look like an 18 pc set of Henckels 5 Star is over $1000:
http://www.geocities.com/cutcocomplaints/henckelsad.html
when 18 pc Henckels 5 Star sets sell at metrokitchen.com and cooking.com for $480.

Some student newspapers have recently come out with stories about a nation-wide student group opposed to the company. Some examples are:
the Cornell University's Daily Sun:
http://www.cornelldailysun.com/articles/9671/
University of Memphis Daily Helmsman:
http://www.dailyhelmsman.com/vnews/display.v/ART/2003/10/09/3f87081d92387
and Illinois State University Daily Helmsman:
http://www.dailyvidette.com/main.cfm?include=detail&storyid=456136

Chad
Mankato, Minnesota
U.S.A.

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  • Cutco and Vector's outragious retreats, meetings, guilt trips Cherry [6/30/2004 8:09:18 PM]
  • I made $18,000 in 8 months selling CUTCO. FSM BABY! Brian [7/20/2004 12:22:16 AM]
  • CUTCO SCREWS THEIR CUSTOMERS AS WELL Sherri [7/21/2004 7:20:17 AM]
  • Brian, Why Did you QUIT Vector ??? John [7/21/2004 1:36:36 PM]
  • This company is a bunch of BULLShit! ..you are pathetic and America hates you! Personaly Michael [7/22/2004 8:08:35 AM]
  • Gas Pumper? Brian [7/22/2004 9:55:39 AM]
  • Brian get a life! Michael [7/23/2004 11:11:49 PM]
  • MIKE IS FULL OF IT Brian [7/24/2004 12:51:34 AM]
  • just a thought on brian Jennifer [7/24/2004 8:27:35 AM]
  • Typical of the unprofessionalism and dishonesty widespread throughout the company Jeff [7/25/2004 11:23:51 AM]
  • WAKE UP PEOPLE Brian [7/26/2004 11:04:08 AM]
  • People..you make the decision, don't say that I didn't warn you Michael [7/27/2004 6:57:03 AM]
  • Wake Up Brian! Each time the authorities came after them they quickly settled, admitted to misleading jobseekers, and promised not to do it again. Jeff [7/27/2004 1:33:47 PM]
  • STEP UP TO THE PLATE Brian [7/28/2004 4:29:13 PM]
  • Still impatiently waiting Brian [8/6/2004 6:54:03 PM]
  • Learning experience Mike [8/6/2004 10:21:28 PM]
  • Bad Experience Jeff [8/7/2004 3:14:06 PM]
  • Lets face it in life there must be losers to have winners Curtis [8/9/2004 11:15:33 AM]
  • Independent Contracting Mike [8/9/2004 5:28:14 PM]
  • Drop Shipping Mike [8/10/2004 12:27:59 PM]
  • The Vector Opportunity is like anything else in life: Some make it, some fail. Brittany [8/11/2004 4:48:09 PM]
  • Scam! I googled vector marketing and searching to the 2nd page I noticed that there complaints about it. Mark [8/20/2004 6:34:32 PM]
  • More reasons vector sucks Carrie [9/7/2004 9:58:35 AM]
  • It's true, Vector is a scam. Frank [10/7/2004 2:20:53 AM]
  • PS... if something sounds too good to be true, than it probably is. Frank [10/7/2004 2:33:35 AM]
  • Oregon Attorney General's office is looking for people who were misled in any way by Vector Marketing/Cutco John [10/21/2004 5:13:06 PM]
  • Not Vectors Fault, Vector employee that is about to quit Jason [11/3/2004 10:05:51 PM]
  • Current employee of Vector Brian [11/6/2004 3:02:41 PM]
  • Disgrace to the sales business John [11/7/2004 3:16:08 AM]
  • Vector - Not a bad company Steven [11/15/2004 1:42:32 PM]
  • Steven tuition reimbursement programs John [11/16/2004 4:09:35 AM]
  • I'm a SHEEP just like the REST OF YOU Brian [11/16/2004 9:04:04 AM]
  • VECTOR IS AWESOME GET IT STRAIGHT Sean [11/18/2004 10:01:36 AM]
  • 18k in 3 months... Zach [11/19/2004 11:48:29 AM]
  • LET THE FSM's SPEAK Brian [11/20/2004 7:09:47 AM]
  • Vector Marketing is Great Kevin [11/21/2004 3:36:41 PM]
  • Who are These People??? Tell me, Please!!!! Kevin [11/21/2004 3:41:56 PM]
  • becoming a manager and fsm Sean [11/22/2004 7:07:11 AM]
  • Confessions of a Former Manager Trevor [11/22/2004 2:43:14 PM]
  • of course you would end up giving us a bad name, when you fail, and have to use unethical means to make yourself money Sean [11/23/2004 10:44:43 PM]
  • Vector is a total scam-- It's impossible to sell enough Cutco to become FSM-- So, WHO ARE THE VECTOR BRANCH MANAGERS? Kevin [11/24/2004 12:36:34 PM]
  • Glad to be an ex employee... Jennifer [11/24/2004 3:53:35 PM]
  • Anybody who's ever worked for Vector can tell you they mislead, deceive, and manipulate you from the start. John [11/24/2004 6:18:57 PM]
  • People who never tried wouldnt know Sean [11/25/2004 10:09:56 AM]
  • Vector Marketing - Alcas And Cutco Fraudulant Business Practices Olean New York John [11/27/2004 5:02:23 AM]
  • Once again.... Zach [11/27/2004 5:14:02 PM]
  • OF COURSE Sean [11/28/2004 9:48:34 AM]
  • Do you expect us to take this seriously?!! Charlie [12/3/2004 8:45:32 AM]
  • Confessions of a Cutco Employee Wynter [1/3/2005 12:58:30 PM]
  • always be cautious Amy [1/5/2005 1:51:48 PM]
  • Mike I agree with you Kim [1/7/2005 8:30:33 PM]
  • Extremely Legitimate, If you follow the GUIDLINES AND LISTEN Charlene [1/18/2005 10:44:36 AM]
  • Glad I Found This Site Mark [1/20/2005 1:09:14 PM]
  • Its amazing the impression this gives Ben [2/22/2005 11:25:51 PM]
  • Why is everyone biased towards Vector? Stephen [5/1/2005 8:47:55 PM]
  • Still kinda nervous Stephanie [6/2/2005 1:26:55 PM]
  • I don't see what the problem is here, Brian is RIGHT! Holly [6/2/2005 3:24:07 PM]
  • Vector Marketing falsely advertised, dishonest practices Brian [6/2/2005 7:11:58 PM]
  • pyramid scheme? Stephanie [6/16/2005 9:13:23 PM]
  • Almost got suckered in Melissa [7/1/2005 6:47:56 AM]
  • Cutco/Vector: Not Illegal, Just Unethical Nick [7/5/2005 1:37:54 AM]
  • 75% of all managers have failed within the last 3 yrs Chad [7/25/2005 12:58:39 AM]
  • It is absolutely amazing to me that so many people can have negative experiences with just one company. Justin [7/28/2005 9:47:09 PM]
  • Somewhat irked Shannon [8/25/2005 1:51:31 PM]
  • Multi Level Marketing Opportunities Shannon [8/25/2005 2:05:26 PM]
  • Saw Through the Haze Stu [3/28/2006 12:48:25 AM]
  • The Sad Reality of Human Nature Jesus [4/5/2006 5:41:16 PM]
  • My problem with Vector Tara [7/4/2006 8:07:07 PM]
  • Nothing has changed Alex [7/5/2006 3:44:22 PM]
  • A complete scam Angela [7/11/2006 12:01:42 AM]
  • The Final Word on Cuto / Vector/ Alcas Daniel [7/29/2006 11:25:32 PM]
  • Honestly!?!?! Von [8/8/2006 12:20:22 AM]
  • Yes, honestly.... Alex [8/8/2006 10:17:19 AM]
  • The Reality E [8/9/2006 11:49:43 AM]
  • Cutco IS valuable Bob [10/6/2006 8:30:08 AM]
  • SCAM SMELLED BEFORE I SHOWED FOR INTERVIEW Jane [12/2/2006 8:26:03 PM]
  • Ex-Vector Employee, This Company Is Very Deceiving Phillip [12/15/2006 8:59:59 AM]
  • DONT GET ME WRONG... Garrett [12/27/2006 5:35:20 PM]
  • WHERE TO START?! Danny [2/14/2007 2:43:59 AM]
  • I just went in for an interveiw Tom [3/23/2007 4:16:58 AM]
  • Almost got duped Brian [5/23/2007 1:11:40 PM]
  • stupid Casey [6/4/2007 9:08:01 PM]
  • TRUE and FALSE about Vector marketing Matt [6/4/2007 11:12:08 PM]
  • How Vector can make you BIG MONEY! Kenan [6/9/2007 6:30:16 PM]
  • the quality of the knives Atari8807 [9/27/2007 5:10:25 AM]
  • Ill let you in on a little secret... J.j. [3/5/2008 3:23:52 AM]
  • Cutco/Vector Rocks! Kelly [4/1/2008 2:12:11 PM]
  • Wow. Justin [6/4/2008 4:05:39 PM]
  • Just a few thaughts about ALCAS/VECTOR/CUTCO... Cowboy1807 [6/26/2008 9:27:28 PM]
  • good and bad points Angiem88 [7/3/2008 2:16:50 PM]
  • Why Cutco needs vector marketing to sell their product Whatajoke2000 [7/4/2008 8:02:24 AM]
  • Works fine for me. Davidje [7/6/2008 11:33:22 PM]
  • What a joke Whatajoke2000 [7/13/2008 12:28:06 PM]
  • No Need To Feel $orry Davidje [7/16/2008 8:55:29 PM]
  • Making bank Whatajoke2000 [7/17/2008 8:42:16 PM]
  • Biggest Scam Ever James Bernhardt [8/23/2008 10:26:02 PM]
  • Its what you make of it. Darthdonkey81 [8/24/2008 11:52:43 PM]
  • I was a District Manager with Vector for 8 months Sara [10/10/2008 12:44:05 PM]
  • Working with Vector Erm63 [10/15/2008 3:03:48 PM]
  • Follow-up to my last rebuttal Sara [10/16/2008 7:59:03 AM]
  • Ex-DM: Company is ethical & willing to make amends to those wronged Sara [10/17/2008 1:27:51 PM]

ExEmployee

Submitted: 6/30/2004 8:09:18 PM

Modified: 8/1/2004 9:40:13 AM
ExEmployee

Cherry

Spartanburg, South Carolina
U.S.A.

Cutco and Vector's outragious retreats, meetings, guilt trips

All of the information in the above report is known to be TRUE. I witnessed not only all of these fraudulant practices, but also(and it is not mentioned here)the outragous travel 'advancement opportunities'.

Not only do you pay for the knives, but you also must travel to your appointments in your own car (with the incentive that mileage spent traveling to your appointments is tax deductable). If the appointments aren't varified however, and most are not, it's completely on you.

You also, as a salesrep, must attend meetings. These include traveling to the headquarters several times a week and extensive travel to joint 'team' meetings in cities in other neighboring states. Because the meetings are not appointments (considered training), you get no money there either.

Then there is the so far completely unmentioned 'retreat'. At joint meetings the clear goal is to 1)cheer the other unfortunately-scammed college student for their good job at being scammed, 2)cheer the people scamming you (they did do a wonderful job, didn't they.)and most importantly 3)talk all unfortunately-scammed college students into taking a lovely training (no money there remember)vacation in some far of local as Virginia. The victims are told that whatever they spend (a lot more than the knives) they will earn it back in their increased sales.

All victims wishing to go are told to fill out the forms (checks included of course) immediately so that they can win a prize. Then they give away via lottery about 5 boxes of dinnerware (the prizes) , chop up a pineapple, play music, and display entertainment (our show had a magician).

I don't know what when on at the retreat, but I do know that because I did not go on the retreat I was looked down on. Everytime I asked about why I wasn't being paid, the retreat was mentioned. 'Oh, you didn't go on the retreat, did you?' my manager would say, as if it answered my question. Eventually I gave up and quit.

If you are an employee and you must quit DO NOT call in. They will talk you back into staying everytime (they sell your job right back to you). I went cold turkey all the way because I had to. They just make you feel as if it is somehow your fault and that you are a bad person for questioning their sales rationale.

I was actually cursed out of an old next door neighbor's yard one day because I was selling this stuff. If that hadn't happened, I don't know if I, being a typical college student, would have done any research. At first I couldn't even admit to being scammed, but now, seeing all of this, I don't feel so stupid because I am not the only one.

I hope someone benefits from this information; I took careful notes after I was thrown out (which they say NEVER happens, and especially never happens to any customer who has bought their product before- a freebie, in Vector-speak. It DOES happen.)so I could determine whether or not the research was true. IT IS TRUE. My parents actually convinced me that this was a good idea, good for building social skills and self-esteem (they are therapists). I wish I hadn't quit my other job at KFC, where the grease is gross but the money is real, not some figment of the imagination. That is the allure though. Play grown up for the day in a suit and tie; let the other people wear the uniforms coated in greese, I'm too busy on my cell phone scheduling a 3 o'clock.

People don't get attracted to this because they are stupid; they are attracted because they are tired of being unimportant kids. Don't let this happen to anyone you know, whether you like them or not. If it is you, just quit, cut that cord. If it is your kids, cut that cord and give them more responsibility. Once again, I hope this information does something for someone.

ExEmployee

Submitted: 7/20/2004 12:22:16 AM

Modified: 8/1/2004 9:40:13 AM
ExEmployee

Brian

Salt Lake City, Utah
U.S.A.

I made $18,000 in 8 months selling CUTCO. FSM BABY!

My name is Brian Curnow, and I sold Cutco for Vector Marketing in 1995 while I went to college in Shippensburg, PA. I have read alot of negative responses written about Vector Marketing and Cutco knives in the past - and all I can do is shake my head in disbelief.

If you are a college student or highschool student - looking for some extra cash OR to learn some sales skills - this is the best opportunity I have ever come across. I sold for that company for 8 months and actually DID win a scholarship. When I quit selling for Vector - I was ranked #14 in the Nation (out of 10,000) sales reps. I achieved #2 for the scholarship fund (and was paid by a check).

I still have all my pay stubs and trophies. This company gave me a vision, I did EXACTLY what they trained me to do - and I made alot of money at it. Although 18,000 bucks isn't much to a family man, raising kids - but to a college student who wanted to make some extra cash for the weekends - I think I did alright!

Here's my story and feel free to contact me [Place your comments below and be sure to include your FULL contact information so Rip-off Report can contact you.]

I found an add written on the chalkboard in one of my morning classes. The ad read: 9.95/hour. Of course- I was a hungry college student - just looking for some extra cash for pizza and beer - and some extra cash to take my girlfriend out on the weekends. So that night I callled the phone number - and was instructed to come to an interview. It turned out to be a 'group presentation' and then taken back one on one for an interview. All but one of the candidates were hired.

I job fair that night - and was really impressed with the idea. Make my own hours - make MONEY - and the energy level was out of this world. So I put the 300 bucks for the demonstration kit on a credit card and was told to come back for 3 days of training. (which I did).

I went home that night and told my roomates. They laughed histairically at me, pointing fingers - and I just smiled and went to sleep. I called my parents the next morning and my Dad said it was some scam. However, I didn't want to let the negativity and skepticism get to me. I saw them cut a penny with scissors and slice rope and leather with the knives - and I was excited to spread the word about these amazing knives.

So I showed up to my first day of training. All but one person who attended the job fair was hired. (a tactic used by Vector because the average rep will quit after 2 weeks) and they are always needing to keep the sales team larger than 10 (which was a struggle for my office in Chambersburg, PA).

The Hiring manager was Derron Wagner - who I admire very much. He was kind of a dorky guy - but he taught me alot of good stuff in sales.

Anyway- the last day of training - Derron asked everyone to attend the year end awards banquet. Of course we all had to pay our own way of 80 bucks (I think). When I asked 'why doesn't the company pay' the response was if you pay it your self - you'll take this job more seriously. And he said - those of you who go to this banquet - the excitement will raise your belief system thus- you will make more MONEY and succede in the business......

So I went - and everything they said was true- the banquet blew my mind. The MONEY that people earned was astonishing. They gave away humongous trophies to the top reps - 300,000 dollar checks to district managers - I was impressed. I couldn't wait to make my first sales presentation.

However, I ran into one BIG problem. I was trained to start off selling to my friends, relatives, family, neighbors, etc... they said this so I can practice my presentation skills.

Here's where most people think this is a negatvie. Everyone thinks / or writes that Vector wants you to sell your friends and family so they can make a quick buck.... NOT TRUE.... These family presentations boost your confidence (yes - it's easier to sell friends) but more importantly - you LEARN YOUR JOB!

But my problem was - I was going to school 3 hours away from my family, friends, neighbors, etc. so I didn't have any practice. My first couple of presentations were reading my training notes to the client. My first presentation was to a college professor who I had class with. He didn't buy anything - but He gave me some referrals of his friends in his neighborhood and then my business exploded. I did 2 presentations a day and 8 on the weekends. I worked 7 days a week - generating my own appointments on thursday and booking the weekend.

I'll have to agree with alot of you - this selling stuff is not for the weak minded. I had my doubts - but I had more dreams that got in the way.

The way Vector teaches to market the product is completely honest. It's the individuals who change the system is what makes it grey. Maybe I had a really good District Manager - and an honest guy - so I learned the honest way.... but with every successful story - there is a thousand bad apples.

Have you ever heard of Zig Zigglar? - He was one of the greatest salesman of this decade. He sold a product very similar to Cutco.... he sold Cookware. And he did it EXACTLY how Vector marketing does it- through Direct Sales.

I think the reason there is so much negativity around this Vector company - is because they hire thousands of highschool students in the summer plus thousands of college students during semister breaks.... and out of 10,000 new recruits - maybe 3% actually follow the training and do what their told - and thus make a good, honest living at it.

I find it really sad when I read all these negative posts. I hope the future readers of this post realize - ALL THE NEGATIVE POSTS ARE FROM PEOPLE WHO FAIL or FROM PEOPLE WHO DIDN'T GIVE IT A FAIR SHOT.

You have to realize - only 3% of America is considered to be 'wealthy' - and the average household income in america is probibly around 30,000 (may be less). This means most americans are satisfied flipping burgers or pumping gas because there is no 'risk'. They show up to work and they get paid.

The greatest thing about Vector Marketing - is you are paid WHAT YOU ARE WORTH. I completely understand why most people fail at it - most people don't BELIEVE they can do it cause all their friends laugh at them and get a bunch of crap from their parents for trying it. Society is set up to make you fail and bring you down. It frightens people if you are more successful than they are.

I'm sure I'll get flamed from people who failed miserably at the job - saying how horrible of a company Vector is - or how horrible they market their knives.... but I'll tell you this - when you are on TOP looking down at the masses - people will take shots at you out of envy, jealousy, or what ever. I am living, breathing proof that anyone can make Vector Marketing work - and yes, I agree their advertisments for getting college studes to work for them are vague - but I'm glad I was 'green' enough to fall for the marketing. I'm glad I was naive enough to buy into the demo set. And I'm even more glad that I had the opportunity to learn my trade in sales. I have to say all of my sales success was learned in Vector. My sales experience with Vector got me a Pharmaceutical Sales position with Janssen Pharmaceutica, a Johnson and Johnson company.

By the way - I'm now just a regular family guy, living in the Mid-West with a beautiful wife and 3 awesome boys. It's been almost 10 years since I worked for that company - and have lost touch with everyone in the company. If you know who I am - or know any of the people/offices listed below or worked for the company in 1995 - I would love to hear from you! ie (Dave Wasserman, Derron Wagner, Chambersburg/Mechanicsburg Office, Keystone Region Manager RICK)

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ConsumerComment

Submitted: 7/21/2004 7:20:17 AM

Modified: 8/1/2004 9:40:13 AM
ConsumerComment

Sherri

Piedmont, California
U.S.A.

CUTCO SCREWS THEIR CUSTOMERS AS WELL

I bought a couple of table knives and a couple of larger scale items. What I received for $200 was two table knives. When I called, I was told that I didn't know what I was talking about. Being that the check had still not cleared, I stopped payment and returned the knives via UPS (for only about $6, compared to the $18 Cutco charged ME for shipping).

I get daily incessant calls from someone named 'Colleen', demanding that I pay for something I didn't get. Then she gets very rude and nasty, telling me that I didn't return the knives, in spite of having the tracking info.

My friend, who went to work for them quit. She didn't have the time to devote to the Cutco cult, especially working for damned near free.

ConsumerSuggestion

Submitted: 7/21/2004 1:36:36 PM

Modified: 8/1/2004 9:40:13 AM
ConsumerSuggestion

John

Memphis, Tennessee
U.S.A.

Brian, Why Did you QUIT Vector ???

Brian, it sounds like you were on the fast track to a senior VP position with Vector. Why quit? Are you currently a Sales VP with J&J? I doubt it. Maybe your conscience finally kicked in and you realized that Vector was nothing more than a quick rush for someone who was comfortable with deceit.

ExEmployee

Submitted: 7/22/2004 8:08:35 AM

Modified: 8/1/2004 9:40:13 AM
ExEmployee

Michael

Stroudsburg, Pennsylvania
U.S.A.

This company is a bunch of BULLShit! ..you are pathetic and America hates you! Personaly

The only thing I have to say to Brian of Salt Lake City is..you are pathetic and America hates you! Personaly if I seen you on the street, you wouln't live to see your kids again. I won't even bother and waste my time on another keystroke.

And for all the people involved in this scam that got scrued over, let me just say that you are not the only one. My girlfriend did as well, and I ALMOST DID, before I relized that I went on an interview for Vector.

People try to understand how brainwashing this whole Cutco/Vector organization is. Take the rebuttal from Brian for example. Do you see how he changed the whole situation around and actually made it seem like all the other people were wrong. People are stupid, that's how they fall into these type of stupid shit, and that's how Brian would made money. People there is NO EASY WAY TO MAKE MONEY! Belive it or not. Go to college and start from the bottom way up like everyone else.

This whole thing reminds me of a book I read on Hitler and his brainwashing tactics. Brainwashing is an amazing thing. Belive it or not, but for example: a person could get you to actually trully believe that 2 + 2 = 5.

Anyways good luck.

ExEmployee

Submitted: 7/22/2004 9:55:39 AM

Modified: 8/1/2004 9:40:13 AM
ExEmployee

Brian

West Bountiful, Utah
U.S.A.

Gas Pumper?

Dude... you have no idea. You are taking a shot at me? The next time I roll into chevron I'll make sure I ask for you. I got some Turd that needs to be cleaned out of the tire tread, bird crap on the windshield, and what the heck - you can check my oil.

You po' folk always feel like the world has plotted against you - and us rich folk are the reasons you can't get a job, you are underpaid, and can't that get that big promotion to the cash register. Your employer knows better - you'll scrape a few bills off the top - because 'your company owes you', isn't that right?

I know who you are.... but you are just in a different body. I've seen you before. I think you we're cleaning up my toilets overflow the other day. You know us rich folk; - even know we know how to fix it ourselves - We'd prefer to keep the bottom feeders employed - and the economy good - so we spend all that extra cash to hire minimum wage boys like yourself.

...hey- don't say I didn't help keep your job for you. Somebody has to clean up after me.


Mua ha ha ha.... People like you crack me up. You see life through tainted glasses. Why do you feel like Vector is the epitimy of all evil? Did you fail miserably like everyone else? - or let me guess... you are a sheep - and you never even attempted to TRY. You have no idea the opportunity you missed out on. Success starts with a little self esteem. And your previous SHOT at me says you need alot of help in this field.

...however, there still is hope. Vector will take homeless with open arms. They will turn their cheek the other way - even know you have probably slapped it a few hundred times - they are still willing so show you the good life. Next time you see the advertisement - go get yourself a real job - they'll take your negative self and turn it into a positive self - and you can quit your minimum wage job and begin making a living. However, if there is a dishonest bone in your body - please don't apply. It's the BAD APPLES like you that have tainted the image of the company.

KARMA WILL PREVAIL - YOU WILL SEE

ExEmployee

Submitted: 7/23/2004 11:11:49 PM

Modified: 8/1/2004 9:40:13 AM
ExEmployee

Michael

Stroudsburg, Pennsylvania
U.S.A.

Brian get a life!

I don't know who might be doing your bathroom work but it sure hell isn't me. I've got my M.A. in Computer Science and my B.A. in Computer Security from the University of East Stroudsburg (GPA 3.4). I'm a C++ programmer / system administration analyst for PF Laboratories Incorporated. I make well over $230k a year not including my 20% bonus by the end of the year.

So don't tell me what money is because I know….just remember this people, only the poor brag about it. They try to show the world they are not poor by trying to put an impression on people that they are rich. Brian you did a good job at that.

Your 18k per year that you made at Vector is shit money. You can not make a living with that. Especially…if you have kids. Nice try.

-God...I can't belive I'm wasting my time on you.

ExEmployee

Submitted: 7/24/2004 12:51:34 AM

Modified: 8/1/2004 9:40:13 AM
ExEmployee

Brian

SLC, Utah
U.S.A.

MIKE IS FULL OF IT

Mike- you are so full of shit. $230,000 ha ha.... That is the biggest pile of bullshit I can't smell it all the way out here on the west coast. I figured you were some zit-faced pencil neck geek who hides behind his keyboard, giggling like bevis/butthead... well, in your case - ASSHEAD.

If you made the money you said you did- you wouldn't have called the number for vector - nor would your girlfriend need the job or the money.

Another clue that you are full of shit is that you live in Stroudsburg. That's an old coal mining town full of Red-necks and college kids. The whole town's income COMBINED wouldn't reach a hundred grand.

I'm guessing you are about 19 years old - sitting in the computer lab at that lame college in Stroudsburg, hunched over the keyboard and scratching your ass thinking what you'll write next. Admit it dude- you are a looser! And a piece of shit liar.... and a poor one at best. Your story has one big fat hole in it.

What do I do? Pharmaceutical Sales for Johnson & Johnson. Selling medications that you can't even pronounce. ...Of course I bet you take a few of the ones I sell.... Risperdal maybe?

Look that one up on your super-computer, Geek-boy.

ConsumerSuggestion

Submitted: 7/24/2004 8:27:35 AM

Modified: 8/1/2004 9:40:13 AM
ConsumerSuggestion

Jennifer

West Bend, Wisconsin
U.S.A.

just a thought on brian

isn't it a little convienant that brian made so much money in the summer months and he totally supports this company? sounds like he still works for them, but not as a salesman anymore, but a recruiter!

ExEmployee

Submitted: 7/25/2004 11:23:51 AM

Modified: 8/1/2004 9:40:13 AM
ExEmployee

Jeff

New York, New York
U.S.A.

Typical of the unprofessionalism and dishonesty widespread throughout the company

These comments made by this Brian character are very typical of the unprofessionalism and dishonesty widespread throughout the company. Don't believe the front recruiters give you to try and make it seem like they're a caring family, this is NOT their true nature.

ExEmployee

Submitted: 7/26/2004 11:04:08 AM

Modified: 8/1/2004 9:40:13 AM
ExEmployee

Brian

SLC, Utah
U.S.A.

WAKE UP PEOPLE

Did it ever occur to any of you that this Vector company, who's been in business selling for over 20 years - would have been shut down if it were a scam?

Don't you think the 'secret' would be out by now? They have been following the same business practice since day one... If people were getting 'hosed' or 'scammed' - the BBB would be all over them. The local state and national government would shut them down - and not allow any advertising from the company.

All the negative publicity vector receives are from people who 'tried' working for the company - for a couple of weeks... and scream and hollar that they didn't make money. Tens of thousands of people start off working for them - and never make it more than a few days... mainly because they don't follow through with the training or have the typical american work ethic...

If an hourly wage makes you comfortable--- so be it. But there is alot of money to be made working HONESTLY for this company.

I'm not a recruiter- It's been almost 10 years since I sold for the company - during my senior year in college... now I do Pharmaceuticals....

I have nothing to gain but a few minutes of humor reading the responses to this post.

ExEmployee

Submitted: 7/27/2004 6:57:03 AM

Modified: 8/1/2004 9:40:13 AM
ExEmployee

Michael

Stroudsburg, Pennsylvania
U.S.A.

People..you make the decision, don't say that I didn't warn you

If you would like to join Vector...go right ahead. Just don't say that I didn't warn you. I'm just a 25-year-old guy trying to look out for you. Why would I waste my time trying to back talk a company that supposedly is doing so well.

In matter of facts, there are lots of lawsuits against Vector all over the US. The problem with this is that there are different distributions run all over. There is no hierarchy where there is one boss. There is no one person to nail. That's the big issue.

When I realized all of this I had left Vector. Didn't even waste my time to call them up and say I QUIT!

Thanks to Brian over here, I have now decided that I will be pending a lawsuit in regards to a Vector distribution in Scranton, PA. Brian finally got me up to that point where enough is enough. Thanks.

I have already called the IRS regarding the tax scams, the Better Business Bureau (BBB) for faulty company with faulty business attributions, the FBI, and Labor Consumer Board.

What's next…who knows? It's up to people like your-selves to do something about it.

Also, If Brian keeps on recruiting regarding Vector; I might do something one-on one. Brian believe me when I tell you this, I have the power, the money and now the potential to do something about this.

If you keep on going on with your little charade, I will see that you are also included into my current FBI investigation. I have the authority to call-up this site server, track your IP address from each off your bulletin posts, then do a “WHOIS" lookup directory for your ISP provider, and finally with the help of the FBI, track you down to the apartment of witch you are living in right now.

Not like you know what I'm talking about, but keep in mind, I am a system security administrator. I know how to do these things.

Then we would really see if you are a recruiter or not…and then we can take a look at all your past IRS tax paperwork and see how much shit you are in.

Believe me, you are f***ing with the wrong person. (…for all you know I can be your neighbor) –a scary though isn't it?

ExEmployee

Submitted: 7/27/2004 1:33:47 PM

Modified: 8/1/2004 9:40:13 AM
ExEmployee

Jeff

New York, New York
U.S.A.

Wake Up Brian! Each time the authorities came after them they quickly settled, admitted to misleading jobseekers, and promised not to do it again.

As it says in the above report, Vector's had the authorities come after them no less than 3 times for fraud in the 20 years they've been around and probably more. The Arizona Attorney General sued them in 1990, Wisconsin Consumer Protection Dept ordered them to stop their fraud in 1994, and the Australian Consumer and Competition ordered them to stop in 1999. Each time the authorities came after them they quickly settled, admitted to misleading jobseekers, and promised not to do it again. It's only a matter of time before promises aren't going to cut it anymore and they get shut down for good. The very definition of a scam is a fraudulent business. Vector's admitted to fraud at least 3 times! The Australian ACCC even has it documented on their website:
http://www.accc.gov.au/content/item.phtml?itemId=351240&nodeId=file3f557eea58cdf&fn=s87B_99_6H.pdf

Employee

Submitted: 7/28/2004 4:29:13 PM

Modified: 8/1/2004 9:40:13 AM
Employee

Brian

SLC, Utah
U.S.A.

STEP UP TO THE PLATE

Mike of PA-

I'll step up to the plate and call bullshit on you. First of all- I'll back my statement about your employment, annual income, and suppose power and people in high places.

Run your silly investigation. Hell, I'd even give you my IP address or even email - but this site keeps editing personal contact information I originally tried posting in my first writing. I suppose they are trying to protect me from people of power that you claim you have.

I have nothing to fear, gain or loose - but like I said before, the humor I get thinking you are some punk-ass teenager trying to slander a decent company.

If you did the investigation you claimed to have done - you would have found there are Managers, Vice-Presidents, and Human Resource departments.

Don't you think if this was such a scam - it might get a little more MEDIA attention? Don't you think all this JUICY information you keep 'cutting and paisting' off of different web-sites would make 20/20 or 60 minutes? - how about local news media?

You haven't found jack shit- have you?

So I'm gonna call BULLSHIT on this MIKE clown.
Call your connections and get the ball rolling. In fact - I'd like to see you take it to the big times- call the news stations. Lets all kick back with a bowl of popcorn and see how powerful Mike really is. This should be good.

ExEmployee

Submitted: 8/6/2004 6:54:03 PM

Modified: 8/6/2004 11:25:49 PM
ExEmployee

Brian

Slc, Utah
U.S.A.

Still impatiently waiting

Mike-

What happened to you? I've rushed into the door every evening - hoping to find some clue that you followed through on your end of the deal.... I'm getting impatient.

I guess I proved to the world that you are a moron - and a pathetic one at that - and these HIGH POWER claims you keep posting are some teenage fantasy that you dream about.

Don't worry Mike- someday you'll be successful. Before you know it - you'll get promoted to the 'fry boy'. They'll soon put you into a position that will challenge you.

Good luck to you buddy- and remember, if you ever want to speed up the process to your success - go to the Vector website at www.cutco.com You'll soon realize there is a better life out there than flipping burgers in Hickville, PA.

:)

ConsumerComment

Submitted: 8/6/2004 10:21:28 PM

Modified: 8/6/2004 11:43:53 PM
ConsumerComment

Mike

Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania
U.S.A.

Learning experience

Whether this company is a scam is irrelevant because you still learn sales and marketing skills for future work.

In the long run you will make up for the rip off from vector simply because you learned how to be a sales rep and you learned some independent contracting skills.

ExEmployee

Submitted: 8/7/2004 3:14:06 PM

Modified: 8/7/2004 11:29:19 PM
ExEmployee

Jeff

New York, New York
U.S.A.

Bad Experience

Actually the tactics Vector teaches are so unethical, underhanded, or fraudulant that should you use anything you learned in a legitimate company you'd be reprimanded or fired. This report lists 4 such tactics.

The report above also links to 3 student newspapers who have done stories on Vector's underhanded business practices. Stories have also been done in the Washington Post (page F8 July 1, 1996), Seattle Times (business front page February 22, 2004), and Channel 10 News in Albany, NY:
http://www.wten.com/Global/story.asp?S=682631
among others.

This is a pretty well known scam.

Employee

Submitted: 8/9/2004 11:15:33 AM

Modified: 8/10/2004 12:46:29 AM
Employee

Curtis

Columbia, Missouri
U.S.A.

Lets face it in life there must be losers to have winners

I am a sales rep with Vector and am almost at FSM. I have changed froma carpenter busting my ass for 10 dollars an hour to a sales rep who has time to enjoy my young years with more $ than all my friends. I have made right at $8000 and just started 3 months ago. The reason some of you are slinging mud is that you tried and you failed. You may have saw others doing well with vector and you just couldnt cut it, that would make anyone sore. The fact is Vector is a proving ground for young people. The skills of self motivation and closing and customer service are what all companies look for the proof is in my reume and my heap of offers. I have proved myself to be succesful in the business world and am now sought after. I am not done with college yet nor do I have computer skills and my spelling is par at best (as you can tell) but despite all that I do have the skills to succeed at whatever I do and that feels great. I give all my CUTCO customers awesome service and keep up with them often. They are all happy and 38% of them have called me with new orders not of my doing that is proof of quality. Some of us need to punch a clock and make an hourly wage and some of us need to challenge ourselves without limitation. This is the real world and everything from getting a date to talking down the price of a car is CLOSING and I have perfected it thanks to Vector. As for the meetings and conferences that you dont get paid for, the stuff I learn in meetings is better than money we not only learn to be better reps but valuable tips on investing and public speaking and I did pay for the only big conference I went to but get this it was $40 a month taken out of my vector check for 10 months not even a noticible hit and that was for 5 star lodging and dining in Los Angelas CA. the trip alone without the info was worth double the $400. As for not getting paid for training just be happy that you are not charged for it. several colleges teach most of Vector trainings as a class and charge hefty tuition for it, thats why our training sometimes transfers over to a credit in college. Now any yahoo can talk on here so dont take my or anyone else on here's word check it out for yourself for most of you it is not for you and you need a punch the clock type job but for some you will be challenged in new ways and will excell and have an awesome experience that is fun and brings you more $$$ then your friends with resume experience to promise you a good future in sales or icing on the cake for any career as sales skills are probably the most all around usefull skills one can have not to mention the self motivation ,perseverence ,and speaking skills that Vector proves that You have. Honestly re think your motives before bashing vector is it really to help out would be reps as to not see their possible niche or is it of jealosy of knowing that you yourself failed and need something to blame??????

ConsumerComment

Submitted: 8/9/2004 5:28:14 PM

Modified: 8/10/2004 11:28:07 AM
ConsumerComment

Mike

Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania
U.S.A.

Independent Contracting

Well, I don't have anything to do with Vector Marketing. I still think though there are other independent contracting oppurtunities out there that are legitimate.

ConsumerComment

Submitted: 8/10/2004 12:27:59 PM

Modified: 8/11/2004 3:31:47 AM
ConsumerComment

Mike

Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania
U.S.A.

Drop Shipping

This is a type of business where you and the manufacturer or distributor make an arangment to set up a website or whatever and take the orders for a product from the consumers while the manaufacturer or distributor ships the product to the consumers.

Catalog Companies do this and the reason the manufacturer does this is so they do not have to worry about sales. You can do this job from your home. Of course there is no guarentee of success although it is an oppurtunity. You have to remember that owning a business is like pursuing a hobby that if you don't spend alot of time on it you won't get anywhere with it.

The bottom line is you don't need Vector Marketing, you still have alot of options.

Employee

Submitted: 8/11/2004 4:48:09 PM

Modified: 8/11/2004 11:54:24 PM
Employee

Brittany

Temecula, California
U.S.A.

The Vector Opportunity is like anything else in life: Some make it, some fail.

I began working for Vector right after graduating high school. I admit that the first day, I was not sure if I would be returning for training, but I did, and I'm very glad that I did. I went through the three day training, a little upset that I didn't make the $16/ hour that the company made it seem like I would get, but I stayed long enough to have them explain why they do things this way. It makes sense once you see it.

Let me just mention that I graduated with high honors from my high school, and earned several prestigious scholarships as well. Now, everyone else that went to my high school had the same opportunities that I did to earn all those things. However, only a small percentage ended up getting them. My high school class started out with 1369 students. Four years later only 951 graduated. That's about 25% that didn't make it. Those 25% had the same opportunities as everyone else, but instead they dropped out or found something else to do with their life.

I took AP classes in high school. Everyone else in my classes listened to the same teachers, used the same books, and had the same opportunities that I did. Not everyone else passed.

As for the scholarships, everyone else had the same opportunities. I know many intelligent people, but not everyone applied themselves, so not everyone got a scholarship.

I was also in sports. Not everyone that started succeeded. And not everyone succeeded to the same degree.

Everyone else at my high school had the opportunity to earn high honors. Did they? No. It is up to the individual to decide how much importance they place on different aspects of their lives. But the world is a free-enterprise system. If you work hard, and find a way, you can do it. Every living, breathing soul has potential. However, not everyone makes use of this potential. As ugly as it seems, some people will succeed, and some people will not succeed.

Now you are probably wondering, how great did I do, to be sitting here defending the product? Well, I've sold over $1300 of Cutco, I've made much more than if I had worked 40 hour weeks at the local Subway or Starbucks. The people who make money in those places aren't the employees with the guaranteed paychecks, they're the ones that put themselves on the line and invested in the franchise.

Cutco is the same way, only on a much smaller scale. If you actually do what you are told, you will succeed, at least to some degree. I have gained more self-confidence from my job. I have gained knowledge, and experience that most students don't get between their high school and college years. and to be honest, I haven't been working that hard lately.

My first three weeks I worked hard, did about 15-20 appointments a week, but for the last 5 or so, I've pretty much done 3-5 per week. No other job would allow me to work that few hours without getting fired. At no other job could I then work 3 hours during a two week span, make a couple sales, and make $400. Do I regret, even one bit, selling cutco? No way.

I do agree, it is difficult, and if a new rep doesn't follow everything taught in training, he or she might not be as successful. But don't let the fact that people do fail, as they do at any task worth doing, scare you into not doing it. I'm not just talking about knives here, this refers to life. Come on. Don't be a wimp. Go for it.

ExEmployee

Submitted: 8/20/2004 6:34:32 PM

Modified: 8/21/2004 12:00:14 AM
ExEmployee

Mark

Anaheim, California
U.S.A.

Scam! I googled vector marketing and searching to the 2nd page I noticed that there complaints about it.

Dont believe what these people are saying on this business.

When I was searching for a job that involved business, I came around vector marketing. I visited their site and it sounded nice on what they do. But didn't know exactly on what they do. The information that I got out of is that they train you to sell knives. So I applied there and within two days I got a call from one rep and she scheduled me for an interview. From there I asked her what they specifically do. There was a pause and she said, “It's a form of customer service". I was puzzled by this and asked her to tell me more. But she said hold those question for later. Then I thought to myself what the heck is this business.

So the day came of the interview and there were six people there waiting while they filled out their background information forum. I came in a filled it out, which was name, address, and such. An assistant manager came out an interview us in groups of two and then brought us back into the room to wait for the others' interviews. When we were done with that the assistant manager comes in and gives us a lecture about the company. She shows us the knives they were selling; they looked nice and preformed well. But the funny thing is that it took about an hour to explain the whole thing company. After that she said, “Space is very limited and I can only accept one". From there I thought I was not going to get the job because of the limitation. So she interviewed us one by one and I was the last one to be interviewed because all the others went before me. In her office she told me she liked my good posture and from my appearance I was raised right. She gave me the job and I was finally in. When I went home that day I thought about the interview and knew that I was the only one hired from the six by what the assistant manager said. Then I waited for the first day of training.

The first day of training I had to arrive fifteen minutes early from eleven o clock am. I arrived five minutes earlier then suggested. When I came in, I was greeted with another assistant manager and then the district manager. From there they sat me down with three other people. But then I noticed one of the three was from the interview I went. He was the guy that sat next to me in the interview. But then the assistant manager before said that they could only accept one. Yet he was there along with me, which means she hired him as well, thus hiring two people. Then I started saying the stuff they had on the walls. One poster stating that they were number one and another saying, “field training rocks!!"
I ignored those when the district manager came up in the front of us and was talking more about vector. This was from 11am to 4 pm talking about the company. He showed us a video of their success and how the knives were made. Then he showed us a demo of how they sell their knives to their customers. Also surprised us by saying that he had a contest for us on who ever make most sales. After that he told us to think every person name that we have met. From that he then said to come up with three hundred names and then he wanted us to sell these things to our families first. Then it became clear, It's a typical pyramid scheme. Also we needed to bring money next time to buy their set.

When I came home, I googled vector marketing and searching to the 2nd page I noticed that there complaints about it. Saying that they have been sued by some states. Also their 92' statistic of over half of their workers made little or lost money working for them. They do not give you your 12 dollar referral base bay. Also they do not give you your check.

From what I got of them.

They lied about
- They can only hire one
- 440 a steel is good

I called them the next day and said I found a better job. Which I will not be returning.

Its funny to see that there are people who defend these crooks. What you idiots can not back up is all the negative responses there are on the search engines. They can not all be lying now can they? If this report is not enough to convince anyone that vector is a pyramid scheme then why don't you google vector marketing and see the vast numbers of people who are against them. Or apply yourself to vector and get robbed.

ExEmployee

Submitted: 9/7/2004 9:58:35 AM

Modified: 9/8/2004 10:12:45 PM
ExEmployee

Carrie

Minneapolis, Minnesota
U.S.A.

More reasons vector sucks

I was *hired* at this company, and only went to one day of training. My reason for quitting had nothing to do with not being able to cut it, or anything to that effect. The reason I quit was because of their business practices.

Including not only what was already mentioned, but at least in my training we were told that we were never allowed to talk about personal lives in meetings or training, our manager used the example of someone getting a flat tire on the way to the meeting and then coming in and complaining about how much it sucked to have to walk to the office, he said that that was unacceptable behavior and would bring down the company.

EXCUSE ME! What kind of support is that, they claim to support you every step of the way, but they do not. On my first day of training I was told if I didn't have the money to buy the kit they would help and the money would be taken out of my first checks, if I was really serious.

Well although I didn't take them up on this offer another person I was training with tried to, and they did not go through with their end of the deal, stating that they never claimed they would do this.

I agree that anyone I met or have read about that did well with vector is a mean spirited selfish human, and any of the *skills* you learn are not going to get you anywhere in life.

ExEmployee

Submitted: 10/7/2004 2:20:53 AM

Modified: 10/7/2004 5:06:57 AM
ExEmployee

Frank

Seattle, Washington
U.S.A.

It's true, Vector is a scam.

I too was sucked in by lucrative offers that Vector made. Having just graduated High school, and only one part time job as experience, I was still too naive to recognize their games. I got the letter, I saw the $12 an hour, which yes, is a lie, & I knew it would be a great oppurtunity.

I replied to the letter, set up an interview & was on my way. It wasn't what I expected at first, the office looked as if it had just been settled in, there was a ton of prospective employees there & even some were former classmates. The interview turned out to be a time-consuming three step process, by which groups were eliminated at each step. Well, I made it to the 3rd & final step, & was extremely happy to find I had been hired. He asked if I had any questions, I simply asked if there were any benefits, he replied 'What do you mean?' And followed up with something like 'Well, no, but the way we treat our employees & the oppurtunities for advancement make up for that.' I should've left right there.

Like some of you have said before, training was NOT paid for, & the time we spent training was ridiculous. Again, as someone said before, I didn't even know what I was going to be doing until the first day of training. Where they explained how to sell, how to get interviews over the phone (which 'wasn't' telemarketing), & they explained the somewhat-more complex pay system than a simple '$12 an hour.' Everything kept changing from what they originally said, I should've noticed all these clues to the making of a scam, but again, I was still the doughy-eyed fresh out of high school grad.

After we finished training there was a 'regional' meeting, I believe they called it, which we were required to attend All day (literally, we must have been there around 9 hours, which was ALSO unpaid. The first couple of days were a breeze, of course family is easier, & I even achieved their acclaimed 'grand day' on my first day of meetings, things weren't looking so bad anymore. I was making sales left & right, it was so simple. Then came the phone call set-ups. The ones where if you follow the script, you'll get an appointment everytime. It did not go this way. It wasn't so bad at first, I made a few appointments, made a few sales. But after that week, it really dawned on me I had become what I despise, a telemarketer, constantly bothering would-be customers. It doesn't matter if their friend referred them, NOBODY wants to get propositioned, over the phone, for some great product. Sometimes they wouldn't pick up, & my managers would strongly encourage me to keep at it, until I got at least 4 or 5 appointments, my list was reaching its end of possibilities, so I pretty much HAD to keep calling the same people. Finally, someone picked up, and asked me, 'Are you the one whose been calling over & over for the past half hour? We're trying to relax!' Then I knew I had to end this, but I stayed to finish the rest of my appointments anyway.

It was my first paycheck however, that was the icing on the cake. Now, I had sold well over 2 grand worth of product in my first week, I had many appointents, which you are SUPPOSED to get paid for whether you sell or not, my level of pay was raised for getting the grand day, & not to mention the money I spent on busfare as I had no car, & used the bus to get to EVERY appointment. So you must understand my extreme disappointment when I opened the envelope to see my whopping $16 dollar paycheck. By then, I had had my fill of bull shit. So I told my boss I was going to quit, & that it just wasn't working out, with the pay and all. She tried to tell me I just need more appointments, but I wasn't buying that sell anymore. She said fine, & that I was free to go. Seems a little easy right? It was.

About a week later, I convenienantly got a letter in the mail from Vector Marketing, stating that unfortunately, THEY had to let ME go. You see I neglected to mention that when all this went down, I was still 17, which was their reason for termination. Hmmm, that's funny how they JUST realized this, as my birthdate was in my application, which was reviewed in the personal interview, which was never asked about. Why didn't they ask? Because their target recruit group is young students graduating high school, or in college, playing on the dollar sign factor which races through our minds. I know this because I later found out a great percantage of my graduating class received the same letter I did, I've seen them on my college campus just before summer break with a big sign promoting 'summer work' yet nothing of the knives we sold, type of work we would do, or the ACTUAL pay system. Even my cousin (a college student)worked there last year, for a short time before she came to her senses as well. Hell, they even had the nerve to send me the EXACT SAME letter to me the beginning of this previous summer! AND to my sister who has just graduated high school herself. There is no end to how far they will go to lure in young prospectives who do not know of this scam.

Now, in response the man who said that everyone in here who protests it either failed at it, or didn't give it a chance. Well, I certainly didn't fail at it, in fact, I was one of the best in that office, my co-workers asked me how they should go about presenting the product. I was only there a short time, but there is a difference between 'not giving something a chance,' (as I'm sure by reading this, you'll notice I gave them EVERY chance) and compromising your convictions. And when it came down to it, that's what I was doing, I despise that type of work, but not only that, I despise the depths of deception these 'leaders' took on to make a buck. And THATS why I know Vector is a scam.

ExEmployee

Submitted: 10/7/2004 2:33:35 AM

Modified: 10/7/2004 11:01:24 PM
ExEmployee

Frank

Seattle, Washington
U.S.A.

PS... if something sounds too good to be true, than it probably is.

By the way, I only wish I had come across this sooner, it's been almost 3 years since my experience with Vector, I'm just disappointed I couldn't help spread the message sooner.

I don't regret the experience, it really taught me not to be so immediately trusting, & that age-old saying that if something sounds too good to be true, than it probably is. In fact, my experience actually inspired me to write an essay which became my first publication, if you want to read it, go here:
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ExEmployee

Submitted: 10/21/2004 5:13:06 PM

Modified: 10/21/2004 8:24:30 PM
ExEmployee

John

New York, New York
U.S.A.

Oregon Attorney General's office is looking for people who were misled in any way by Vector Marketing/Cutco

According to the Salem Statesman Journal the Oregon Attorney General's office is looking for people who were misled in any way by Vector Marketing/Cutco. They said they will take action if they can find people in Oregon to substantiate the well known complaints about the company. Vector was sued in Oregon in 1994 and as a result they are under an agreement with the Marion County court to be 'truthful in representations made to induce persons to sell Vector's products' and tell jobseekers 'exactly what the job is about before they get there.' Anybody misled or deceived by Vector really ought to submit a complaint to their state's attorney general, especially if you live in Oregon, and the Federal Trade Commission too. You can usually do it online at their websites.

If you believe Vector owes you wages, either because they clipped or denied a paycheck or if you feel you were treated as an employee instead of an independent contractor you should also contact your local Dept of Labor as well.

Employee

Submitted: 11/3/2004 10:05:51 PM

Modified: 11/3/2004 11:13:01 PM
Employee

Jason

Chesterfield, Michigan
U.S.A.

Not Vectors Fault, Vector employee that is about to quit

I am a current Vector employee that is about to quit. I will never blame this on Vector because it's my own lack of time that is causing this. Yes I can see both sides, but in defense...YOU HAVE TO REALIZE IT'S SALES!!! If you don't bust your sack your not going to do good. Be thankful that they even give you an option for an hourly. If you look at other Independant Contracting jobs you'll see that most are strictly sales based(If you don't sell...no $$$).

Now in the defence of the other side... I too am sick of the constant PDI, and wish that I would be treated like a IC not a child. I was told I could make my own hours, but yet they seem to push me to do this(I understand that this is the managers job, but if they're going to do this then don't say it all about me).

Over all I do think Vector is a great experience for those without bills that can't stay in the air until you hit a certain promotion, and go to school full-time. If you are a college student just looking for a few bucks and don't have outstanding bills then I say go for it...and if you don't likr it quit!

Employee

Submitted: 11/6/2004 3:02:41 PM

Modified: 11/6/2004 8:42:18 PM
Employee

Brian

Nashville, Tennessee
U.S.A.

Current employee of Vector

Alright, so, Vector Marketing is not for everyone.

Of course it's not. It's sales. Not everyone can be in sales. That's just the truth. Different people are good at different things. For some, they make art, or can do science, or any number of things. For others, it's sales.

I wouldn't want to be a carpenter. I can't use my hands worth a flip and would do a horrible job. But, I can sell knives like nobody's business.

Of course Vector has ads that may 'sweeten' the truth. But, go in for an interview to any company, and you'll realize that maybe they weren't completely forthcoming on the advertisement.

The truth about Vector is that you are not an employee of Vector. You are your own employer.

I have personally sold over 14,000 dollars worth of Cutco. Was it easy? No. Did most of the people from my training class quit? Of course.
I've also made 3,000 bucks off it. For four months, and having flexible hours, and doing something I'm actually enjoying, that's pretty darn good.