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Submitted: 2/22/2006 3:52:32 PM

Modified: 1/1/2008 8:11:36 PM
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Garrett

Austin, Texas

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I 'joined' AdultFriendFinder back in December and quickly found out what a rip-off it is. When members contact me, I can only 'wink' back at them. That's it. I'm glad I didn't end up spending cash there.

But I got an email from some guy's account claiming to be a chick, she gave me her email address and I wrote her. She sent me some pictures and told me to go to some site to check out more. She never wrote back and I (stupidly) went to her site and entered my checking account information to see more.

I was declined by the company that 'determines authentic' accounts. I think they may be wiring money out of my account every month now. I need to double check that on my statement however.

No one on there is real that I've ever tried to communicate with. I think this place is a complete waste of time and money.

Garrett
Austin, Texas
U.S.A.

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  • AFF is not always a waste of time or money Julie [3/1/2006 12:40:21 PM]
  • AFF can be a lot of fun. Jamie [3/31/2006 9:47:27 AM]
  • In response to the two previous rebuttals Garrett [4/4/2006 8:40:31 AM]
  • Be proactive and spend a few dollars. John [4/13/2006 9:18:29 AM]
  • most of the women are fake Matthew [4/14/2006 8:35:40 AM]
  • Male and female comments on AFF, Alt.com, etc are both mostly right. Betty [4/18/2006 2:35:53 AM]
  • Can a female member shed more light? Richard [4/20/2006 2:08:49 PM]
  • You make me laugh Kyle [5/20/2006 1:49:20 PM]
  • Aff site Laura [5/24/2006 12:11:11 PM]
  • The men are correct about AFF Max [10/24/2006 7:57:48 PM]
  • buyer beware when dealing with singles-oriented sites Carl Austin [12/18/2006 6:49:33 PM]
  • AFF Not a Rip Off Kathy [1/18/2007 10:47:59 PM]
  • AFF ONLY OK!!! Carol [1/27/2007 6:32:15 PM]
  • The truth becomes more untrue.... Paul [11/8/2007 11:39:04 PM]
  • IMHO AFF is not a scam, but you need to be smart about it.. Steven15135 [12/3/2007 8:39:44 AM]
  • Good THings and Bad Keepingsecrets [1/1/2008 8:03:27 PM]

ConsumerComment

Submitted: 3/1/2006 12:40:21 PM

Modified: 3/1/2006 12:40:21 PM
ConsumerComment

Julie

Tyler, Texas
U.S.A.

AFF is not always a waste of time or money

I am a female member of Adult Friend Finder. After spotting several (negative) comments from some of the male members of the site, and noticing a reference to this site; I decided to pay you a visit. I did a search of this RipOff site. Spent some time researching the complaints filed here against AFF. After careful consideration I have decided to voice my opinion on this most recent flame against AFF.

There are 'real' people on this site. Yes, I have met them. I am NOT a paying member of AFF and therefor my access to the site is limited. I can not always view profiles. Nor can I always send messages. As a non paying member I can not view the web cams that the site offers. I knew these would be my limitations when I joined. See, I knew that I needed to READ the terms!

The trick to using and enjoying your time on AFF is patience! As a standard member the site requires you to actually participate in the different functions. This participation will earn you what is called 'popularity points'. These points do not cost anything and will allow you to view a certain amount of profiles and send e-mails (no more than 10 in a 24 hour time span). You DO NOT have to spend money to enjoy or benefit from the site.

It seems to me that the majority of complaints have come from men. I wonder just how they used the site? Were they polite in the e-mails they sent to women? Most women on the site do not use the site as a hook-up place. They use it as a 'get acquainted and we will see if anything comes of it' site. However, a lot of women on the site are hit with crap e-mails that say things like 'I in ur town. Y dont u met me at (some hotel) so we can ****'

I am not joking. We women on that site get hit with e-mails like that ALL the time. Those men get nothing but scorn in return. Word spreads quickly when a man is being ignorant or rude. Women spread the handles around and that member becomes like lice ... no one wants them. Then they complain that they are not getting any action. Give me a break! The men who get what they are looking for put in an effort on the site. They work with patience!

You can not expect results after only 4 days like Kurt in Western Nebraska. Or after 2 weeks like Eric in Blue Springs, Missouri.

I have said more than I intended. I just wanted to let people know that there are real women on the site. You just have to be careful and remember the old saying 'If it looks to good to be true, then it probably is.' Learn to spot the bots and start reacting to the real people. You will be happier on the site if you do.

ConsumerComment

Submitted: 3/31/2006 9:47:27 AM

Modified: 3/31/2006 9:47:27 AM
ConsumerComment

Jamie

Lockport, New York
U.S.A.

AFF can be a lot of fun.

I have been a female member of AFF for about 6 months. I have been both a standard and silver member. Now grant-it, you are quite limited as a standard member...but standard membership is free and well...you get what you pay for.

I have met many real people off this site and have enjoyed socializing there more-so than any other dating/hook-up site on the net (and I've been to many). However, I also have received hundreds...yes hundredS of emails from men on that site. Do I respond to them all? Of course not.

Now I will admit that the ratio of males to females on the site is a bit disproportionate. But c'mon guys...attractive ladies do have their pick, be it on AFF, some other site, or in-person. I posted something similar at AFF but I'll do it again here to try and help you out.

1.) READ the woman's profile. For example, I clearly state that I do not want to hear from married men but they still email me. I clearly state that I am interested in meeting people in their 20s or 30s…but I still get emails from people older than my parents.

2.) If you live in Arizona and you are asking someone in NY to travel to you...c'mon, be realistic! Does a pretty girl really need to travel across the country to get laid?

3.) DO NOT send emails that say nothing more than, 'let's f**k,' or something of the like. Do you know how many of those I get? I just roll my eyes and click delete.

4.) Check both your profile and emails for errors. It is not uncommon for me to get emails that are so incoherent that I just delete them.

5.) REMEMBER...AFF is providing you with space to MARKET yourself. Put some thought and effort into your profile, and emails. Most women need more than just a pic of 'your little friend' to get them interested.

Individual

Submitted: 4/4/2006 8:40:31 AM

Modified: 4/4/2006 8:40:31 AM
Individual

Garrett

Austin, Texas
U.S.A.

In response to the two previous rebuttals

The problem with the two previous posts is that they claim to be non-paying members of the site. They say that you can send emails to people and look at profiles. That is simply untrue. I have not ONCE since I joined in December been able to send a single email to ANY individual, only receive, and that was one (the bot).

On top of that, I am unable to even LOOK at any profiles. When I click to see someone's profile, it asks me too upgrade to their Silver or Gold memberships. I have not ONCE on that site been able to view a SINGLE profile. Not once. The ONLY thing I've ever been able to do on that site is the stupid little Show Interest option which has done nothing for me.

How the he** can I even talk to someone if I can't email them? How can I even tell if I want to email them if I can't read their profile at all?

ConsumerSuggestion

Submitted: 4/13/2006 9:18:29 AM

Modified: 4/13/2006 9:18:29 AM
ConsumerSuggestion

John

Phoenix, Arizona
U.S.A.

Be proactive and spend a few dollars.

It seems like the report comes from a free user of AFF. Of course the free membership is limited! Why else would a person buy a membership? I was a member for over a year many years ago and had great luck at the site, dating and 'playing'. I rejoined approx 1 1/2 years ago and have been a 'silver' member for about a year of that time. As a free member, options were very limited, but since upgrading to silver I have met many different types of women and had a great time. If you were out on the town dating, you would be spending money. Internet dating sites are no different, except you have the opportunity to know much more about someone before you meet for that first date.

ConsumerComment

Submitted: 4/14/2006 8:35:40 AM

Modified: 4/14/2006 8:35:40 AM
ConsumerComment

Matthew

Mamaroneck, New York
U.S.A.

most of the women are fake

Of course women will have better experiences on the site. There is a ten to one ratio. Then subtract all the fake entries and the ratio is even more lopsided. Women may have to deal with jerks on the site, but they dont have to put up with fake ads and computer generated replies. I have been on other dating sites, and AFF is by far the most fraudulent. Now that I have left the site, AFF keeps emailing me to tell me that I have responses to my ad. It is just a trap to get me to sign up again. When I was on the site, I received maybe 1 or 2 responses a week. Now that I have left, I am receiving 3 to 4 daily. Its not too hard to figure out.

ConsumerSuggestion

Submitted: 4/18/2006 2:35:53 AM

Modified: 4/18/2006 2:35:53 AM
ConsumerSuggestion

Betty

London, Europe
United Kingdom

Male and female comments on AFF, Alt.com, etc are both mostly right.

There's no need for people complaining about AFF, Alt.com and the like to get upset with each other's observations.

From what I have seen on AFF, Alt.com, etc both the male and female posters' comments here reflect the facts, it's just a question of perspective which separates them.

It seems likely from my experience that the rules applied to non-paying female 'members' of AFF, Alt.com, etc are different from those applied to the non-paying men.

Whilst my account occasionally makes it impossible to view profiles without paying the subscription, most of the time I can. The same cannot be said for some of the men I've talked to who have never been able to view profiles without paying.

This policy would make sense as it's useful for the site to have some genuine women around otherwise the scams wouldn't work as well.

I think this policy goes some way to explain why women get so many e-mails from married men and other types they have said they are not interested in. Although I am sure - like the two other female posters here - that utter stupidity and incoherence also play an important part!

I have heard about bogus female profiles leading to paying URLs so many times it must be true, even though I have never seen such a bogus male profile. As one of the other posters says, people should use their common sense!

And I know for a fact that some men are maintaining completely bogus (and anti-social) female profiles, as one of the men concerned has told me about his! People should always be wary on such sites - even men.

And there must be many other men with multiple male profiles. There are more than a million male profiles listed for the UK on AFF out of a population of just over 50 million. Think about it - that's one AFF profile for every 25 men, boys and male babies in the country. Unlikely.

On the whole, AFF and the like can be useful sites for genuine women, if frequently annoying - as long as they *never* pay the subscription.

I am too stingy to even think of paying for such a service, and having read the comments here I'm extremely grateful that I am such a cheapskate!

But on the other hand, women like me should be asking ourselves whether our presence there is helping to maintain the underlying scam.

In that sense, I think some of the comments made by female posters here are a bit rose tinted. The scams do not appear to be solely the fault of stupid, lazy or lonely men!

ConsumerComment

Submitted: 4/20/2006 2:08:49 PM

Modified: 4/20/2006 2:08:49 PM
ConsumerComment

Richard

San Francisco, California
U.S.A.

Can a female member shed more light?

A bunch of questions for whoever can answer -
Can female members (standard) please shed some light in terms of how emails are received and what your ability to respond is? How are the emails managed? Do you get fed a limited amount per day (say 10) per alloted amount that standard members can answer or do you diligently go through screening the HUNDREDS of emails looking for that gem (I wouldn't - what a pain)? Given the limits on how many emails a standard member can answer each day, then how is this modified by those who have paid for the 'standard contact' option and have contacted a standard member? Does this option increase the number of emails a standard member can view and answer? I can't imagine AFF being ok with storing massive amounts of email (simply deleted before delivery?) on their servers for any length of time (despite their claim of 30 day limits for standard members).

There's no doubt that AFF is a predatory environment for scammers but can we say AFF and these con artists are in collusion with each other or is AFF merely just a forum for which the owners feel little to no responsiblity for quality control or are negligent and ethically ambivalent?

Even paying gold members can be scammers too - I met a woman (gold member) who is nothing but a prostitute trolling for lonely men with cash.
Everything I've asked is probably trivial but I'd like to determine just to what degree this conning exists - is it centralized, a loose network, or merely the byproduct of a poorly managed business.

ConsumerComment

Submitted: 5/20/2006 1:49:20 PM

Modified: 5/20/2006 1:49:20 PM
ConsumerComment

Kyle

Phoenix, Arizona
U.S.A.

You make me laugh

AFF, total and complete waste of time if you are a guy.

For the woman above who made a statement about AFF, For one thing, anyone who gets on this site is not looking for a 'friendship' or a relationship, they get on there for one reason and one reason only, so for a woman to get offended by what a guy may e-mail them when they have a photo in their profile of them performing sexual acts, or other revealing photos, is totally rediculous. If you can't handle it, then put your profile up on Match.com and tell everyone how you want a sensitive, caring, wimpy guy(yeah right). And do not be offended by the quality of people you get either. This site was created for one thing only, and we all know what it is, so quit acting like its some innocent dating site.

Guys, do not waste your time, you want to get some action with no strings attached go to your local bar or club and pick your balls up off the floor and go talk to some women, being good looking or having money is not everything, but you need confidence.

I have browsed AFF before, but they do try to rope you into paying to actually get to read a profile or see a decent photo. Not going to happen for me, I get plenty of action the way it is, but just seeing the comments here amused me.

ConsumerComment

Submitted: 5/24/2006 12:11:11 PM

Modified: 5/24/2006 12:11:11 PM
ConsumerComment

Laura

Lebanon, Oregon
U.S.A.

Aff site

I have been a silver member, and also have been on the site for free. My personal preference is to be on it for free, but it just depends on what your looking for, and how often. (if it's your life's ambition, it's better to be a gold member)

This site is NOT a dating site by no means. Your not going to meet 'the one' on here no way. However, if your looking for a 'good time,' I can say with experience you are going to find just that.

The men do need to be patient, but the best way to 'meet' someone is in the chat rooms provided in that site, NOT using emails.

I actually enjoy this site very much. My husband does also.. *wink* We have become friends with many people from this site, and if it weren't for AFF we would not know these people at all.

One of the closest friends I have today I met on this site. It's not for her lifestyle, anymore, but we go shopping all the time! Take it slow, be realistic, and above all remember these ARE actual people that your dealing with, be understanding of THEIR lives, not just your 'little friend' and your RIGHT NOW needs.

ConsumerSuggestion

Submitted: 10/24/2006 7:57:48 PM

Modified: 10/24/2006 7:57:48 PM
ConsumerSuggestion

Max

So. Deerfield, Massachusetts
U.S.A.

The men are correct about AFF

I posted my own complaint about AFF. I was on three different times. Minimal luck. It's not ALL bogus. Most of it is. Men have to be 'patient' while they deal with scammers, prostitutes, and women giving everybody the runaround. Meanwhile, the meter is ticking, and you're time is wasted.

Julie from Texas, I must respectfully disagree. AFF is marketed AS a hook-up site. If women are not using it as a hook-up site, they are practicing deception.

My emails were cordial and polite. I was courteous but made it unequivocal I was looking for a no-strings-attached sexual liason. I'm not married. At the times I was on AFF, I was completely single. I did not email married women.
My pics were decent. I did not wave my privates for the camera. Women are less visual about sex.

Now, I found hundreds of women displaying their breasts and genitals and stipulating they're looking for a sugardaddy to take care of them in exchange for access to their flesh. I call this 'virtual prostitution.'

I corroborate all claims of porn stars and bona-fide prostitutes abusing AFF. The operators of AFF should not allow 'escorts.' Period. Also of thousands of profiles that are obviously phony. '18 yo female supermodel in Beverly Hills seeks sex with any guy anytime anywhere.' The photo is of a famous porn star. Trash like that. You stipulate 100 miles, you get emails from the Phillipines and Russia from girls who want a quick Visa to the U.S.

You try to contact customer service about these abuses. You get nowhere. I can't comment on specific accusations against the AFF owner.

ConsumerSuggestion

Submitted: 12/18/2006 6:49:33 PM

Modified: 12/18/2006 7:34:26 PM
ConsumerSuggestion

Carl Austin

Kingston, Ontario
Canada

buyer beware when dealing with singles-oriented sites

Unfortunately, the problems are widespread and not necessarily limited to AFF under its various brand names.

Some very common problems with most of these sites:

The misleading 'free' claims. The site operators go out of their way to claim that it's 'free to place an ad!!!' What they consistently and conveniently forget to mention is that it's not free to read, to reply, or to retrieve those replies - in whatever combination.

While it's entirely possible to run a site without charging users (by funding it with banner advertising revenue), this is rare. The 'free' claim is most often just a scam intended to lure you to an anything-but-free site for long enough to fill out a profile. It happens routinely on many sites. How many will then promptly leave when they realise that they've been had by deliberately-confusing or misleading 'free' claims? Likely many. How many of those profiles are still on the sites? Your guess is as good as mine... probably more than a few.

Then there are the sites with many arbitrary restrictions that censor all direct contact info out of your ad. This goes hand-in-hand with the 'free to place an ad' half-truth scams. To refuse ads with 'for a good time call' and the number of your ex- would be more than understandable (as that would be abuse). To strip out every possible link to any external communication (website, mail, you name it)? That's more likely to be an attempt to control all communication in order to charge a fortune for what was originally touted as a 'free ad'. Slippery and very deceptive.

Then there are the 'front' sites. They look like independent matchmaker sites in their own right on their own separate domains until you try to do anything - then you're suddenly directed to one of the big pay sites, such as FF or match.com. This allows the same few sites to occupy multiple spaces on search-engine results, crowding out any more legitimate links with pointless decoys.

A variant of this is 'affiliate spam', a scheme by which the operator of a site pays a small percentage of the take to anyone posting a link to the site. The link contains a code (which often looks something like example.com?id=1234567) to indicate which shill gets the kickback for posting these links all over the Internet.

And then there are the 'Find a date in (name of your town)' ads. How does that work? A refinement on the 'find a date in your area' advertising schemes (where 'your area' could mean anything - even the entire continent if that's what the prospective vendor wants it to mean), this operates by exploiting your Internet (IP) address. When your browser requests a webpage, any webpage, it needs to tell the server where to send the response. That gives a unique 32-digit binary number which can be easily looked up by a computer to find the name and address of your Internet provider. The name of the town is then dropped into the ad before it's sent to your screen. That doesn't mean they have anyone listed in that town.

This seems almost par for the course, sadly, and that's just the tactics of the people operating the sites. Some of the ads and responses are even more suspect. The generic e-mail 'I saw your profile, you sound hot, you sound interesting, see my profile at somepaysite.com' says absolutely nothing to indicate the sender even read your profile. Why? It's a machine, being used to drive traffic to some ripoff site that may not even be affiliated with the original posting being answered. The responses are all generic, they all sound good at very first casual glance and are all utterly meaningless. E-mail return address (if present) is usually in some free e-mail server like @mail.com and doesn't work - by design, most likely.

For these reasons and more, most of what's being targeted to exploit the single and lonesome is of questionable value at best. If there are exceptions, they're indeed the exception, not the rule. Don't get your hopes up.

Blunder into the land of the 'overseas connection' and the 'mail-order bride' and things only get worse. There are a few good sites (like womenrussia or asawa) which give many warnings about these operations. Some are agencies using photos of models or post outdated ads from people who are already married to someone else, years ago. Some purport to connect you to someone in exotic, faraway lands - but she doesn't speak your language, so they now have an excuse to put themselves in the middle of the communication link (instead of providing direct contact info) and bilk you for overpriced translation services. Many make the bulk of their money not by selling addresses but by marketing everything from gift delivery to travel - even if there's nothing waiting at the other end but a wild goose chase.

Even if the personals site itself is legit, all these and more are prone to take out ads. Who's going to stop them from doing so? Anyone can place an ad, by design. It's not just a question of wondering if the supposed 'love of your dreams' hiding behind that computer will turn out to actually just be a wrinkled old man or a kid playing with mama's computer. Some serious criminals can (and do) enjoy the freedom to place their ads anywhere on that big, international free-for-all that is the Internet. No online venue is completely immune. If 'her' first letter to you is 'I no speak english' followed by 'I love you more than anything in world' followed by 'I need visa, or my relative is dying, or I am about to be without job or computer, or send airfare so I visit you' followed by 'send western union moneygram control number' followed immediately by dead silence, in exactly that order? Very common in some countries; caveat emptor, as a very nasty surprise may be lurking.

ConsumerComment

Submitted: 1/18/2007 10:47:59 PM

Modified: 1/19/2007 2:29:22 AM
ConsumerComment

Kathy

Terrace, British Columbia
Canada

AFF Not a Rip Off

I have been on AFF for a few years now and have found it a very good place to meet others with the same likes and dislikes as myself, my husband and my partner.

We have a few different profiles on AFF and some of it's sister sites. Through this site we have found that on some profiles that we use the most (yes we do participate in the online magazine and blogs)we are able to contact others on the site by email or by sending winks. We are also able to use the web cam part of the site even as a non-paying members.

It would be interesting to see what kind of emails this person is trying to send to other members. I also discard the emails that demand I meet them so they can **** the *** out of me. We are not on this site to receive abuse but to make new friends and have a good time together.
The site is only as good as you make it. If he wants everything for free then maybe he should look at joining Plenty of fish. But if he is sending out crude messages it won't matter where he signs up the answers will always be the same. No one needs a jerk writing to them. Maybe he should just be happy staying at home with a pile of magazines and be done with it.
signed;

Kathy AKA 24fun69bc

ConsumerComment

Submitted: 1/27/2007 6:32:15 PM

Modified: 1/27/2007 9:13:25 PM
ConsumerComment

Carol

Romeoville, Illinois
U.S.A.

AFF ONLY OK!!!

I of course was a female on AFF and had no problem finding guys, and did meet some cool people!! My problem was when I asked them to take off my profile!!

I REQUESTED 6+ TIMES FOR MY PROFILE TO BE REMOVED and it gets removed for a few weeks, maybe monmths but every once in a while I go on just to see if it is still there and of course I can't log in.....but when I search THERE I AM!!!!!!!!

I find that totally immoral and unethical....For 1 how many other people are listed that shouldn't be....a little deceiveing huh, and for 2 If a customer no longer wants service let alone all their info on AFF then a company needs to respect that!!!!

I STILL HAVE 2 SAVED EMAILS VERIFYING FROM THEM THAT THEY DID!!!

RIP OFF!! OH AND I STILL GET EMAILS FROM SO CALLED AFF USERS TOO!!! THE RETURN ADRESS ON THE EMAIL SAYS adultfriendfinder!!!

ConsumerComment

Submitted: 11/8/2007 11:39:04 PM

Modified: 11/9/2007 2:01:56 AM
ConsumerComment

Paul

Cave Creek, Arizona
U.S.A.

The truth becomes more untrue....

After reading these post i have come to a conclusion. It is obvious who is TRUE and who is UNTRUE. The ones that give thumbs up, are the ones that are lesbians, and/or swingers. The people that join the site, or want to are the one that want to get laid. I for one are living proof of going through the RIPOFF of adult friend finder.com. Yes, i paid for the service, as well as the FREE service. I only got girls that did contact me only go to sign up to other different sites. I did not once meet any girls on there and i cancelled the membership and complained. After all said and done, i was billed for the next month, but i got that resolved real quick. The reason for these headaches, is the work at home biz. These girls are selling their souls (persay) to the devil. I fell, we fell into the trap.

Its called, 'Affiliates'. These bit ches get off on stealing our money and whine that we are vulgar animals and only on the prowl for sex.

Well when you send a nude picture to me that shows you are freaking hot, and tell me you want to meet up and bang me, i think thats open doors for a conversation. ARE YOU KIDDING ME!?!?!??? I would jump all over you like a WILD ANIMAL!

You sold me your sex appeal for actual SEX! They get a certain percentage of commision for the actual sale that takes palce. Its so smooth how it happens, because once they hook ya they will reel you in and take advantage.
For anymore that wants to call me out on this. Go to website/s that you have been with and check out the AFFILIATES link or AFFILIATE PROGRAM, something about commercial affiliates. Its called out to webmasters to make money online. Go all out on mass e-mails and harrassmets to get you to sign up so they can make 75% of commision to what you actually pay. Look at the actual website like the homepage. There are people on their that look freakin hot and gorgeous. When you sign up for 'FREE', there is some good looking catches, but you can view very minumal amount of information about the person because of the advertisement to 'UPGRADE' to silver or gold.

I am daring someone to call me out on this one. I will rip you apart. I have soo much information about this crap its unreal. I for one tried to market online, only to find out how it is truly done. How you trap people in and never let go on anything, just to make the commission sale and do absolutely nothing to be called a entrepreneur? GET A LIFE and a real job! I am tired of being screwed over, ripped off, worried about id theft, because you do make it more prone to have that happen giving your credit card or in fact your checking account. NEVER GIVE YOUR CHECKING ACCOUNT! Only to the trusted sites. If you have internet explorer, you knpow what i am talking about. So whomever reads this and have previously posted one, hopefully my words can be expressed as you have done with yours.

ConsumerComment

Submitted: 12/3/2007 8:39:44 AM

Modified: 12/3/2007 10:04:36 AM
ConsumerComment

Steven15135

Toronto, Ontario
Canada

IMHO AFF is not a scam, but you need to be smart about it..

It is interesting to read that guys like me are upset about a dating site like AFF. I have had an account on AFF for almost four years. During that time I have had a significant number of good and bad experiences and can share some of what I learned. The typical girls on the site come in several catagories:
1. The trappers: They lure you in to spending money, these are typically girls from far away places who send you kisses or nudges or winks or messages. They try to get you to sign up and probably work on commission for a dating site either AFF or a competitor. You can tell because when you try to reply to their account or their email it is shutdown. Sometimes they will try to get you to sign up on another site and will only chat there.
- if someone asks you to chat on another dating site you are being scammed so don't waste your time. As far as AFF is concerned get an account and pay the $30 bucks a month, if you can't afford that, you can't afford a girlfriend.
2. The farmers: They establish a relationship with you and only want to chat on the AFF chat window. They refuse to chat on msn or yahoo. I believe they are paid a commision by AFF to spend your credits.
- chat with gals on the AFF window for a few minutes then ask to switch to msn or yahoo, if she refuses then drop her, she is getting a commision to keep you online and you are wasting your time, this will go nowhere and cost you alot of credits.
3. The escorts: They use AFF to solicite business, if detected their accounts are removed and AFF refunds your credits, they are pretty good about this.
- she will send you her price list on the first exchange of emails, report her to AFF and you will get your credits back, ussually it is done automatically because someone else has already reported her.
4. The scammers: They establish a relationship with you and run into financial trouble and ask that you send money.
- Mostly from Nigeria, don't send money to someone you don't know or have not met. Most scammers don't want to meet with you. They will send you a picture of a 19 year old model, when actually you are chatting with Bob a 40 year old fat guy.
5. Real girls: Yes there are real girls, I have met and dated several of them. However they are on the site to meet an interesting guy, be swept off their feet and romanced.
The first thing us guys need to realize is that all of these types of people exist in the real world too, drop into your local bar and you will find the same thing. So when your online just be smart.
The rules I follow are pretty simple and they work for me.
1. If you are there to be successful then you must be willing to spend time and money. If you ask a girl out, then you expect to pay for the evening so why would online be any different.
2. Take the time to fill in your profile and always include a photo of your face (not you tool), if you were going to ask a girl out, you would brush your teeth, comb your hair and maybe get some flowers, don't expect to spend 30 seconds writing your profile and be successful. Each real woman on the site will recieve several messages per day from prospective suitors, and you must compete with them. Lucky for you most of them spend no more then 30 seconds filling out their profile.
3. Seduce her mind, women don't respond well to 'hey baby lets %^&*' in person so why would they online. Try small talk at first, get to know them by chatting then meet at someplace neutral to get to know her. Remember no sex until the third date, why would online be any different.
4. Like in the real world not everyone hits it off. Sometimes the chemistry just doesn't work. If it doesn't work politely move on.
5. Be honest but mysterious, telling her you are 6 foot tall and muscular will be a problem later if you are 5 foot tall and fat, however don't tell her everything, all of us like a mystery and discovering someone else is part of the fun in dating.
6. If you have sent messages to several prospective mates and have received no replies then you should re-look at your profile. Change some things or reword your paragraphs. Spelling and grammer are very important, I SAY AGAIN SPELLING AND GRAMMER ARE VERY IMPRORTANT, women like successful men and the quality of your writing will show them that you took the time to write to them and not just sent a quick 'hey u lets get 2 gather'
7. And lastly, the real girls on the site are just that; real girls and they behave just like the ones you know in your neighborhood. They are not there to jump in the sack with everyone who sends them a message. If the girl seems too friendly or claims to be in love with you after three lines of the chat window she is not real, she is Bob. Remember, if it seems too good to be true it probably is. Politely end the conversation and move on, you want to spend time talking to real women, and like me you will be successful:)
Steve

ConsumerSuggestion

Submitted: 1/1/2008 8:03:27 PM

Modified: 1/1/2008 8:11:36 PM
ConsumerSuggestion

Keepingsecrets

Blank, Idaho
U.S.A.

Good THings and Bad

I would like to note that all the complaints about AFF are true--from men and women.

I've been a standard, silver, and gold member of the site over the past 4 years. I've also managed to have dates and several short, medium, and long term relationships with various women on the site.

There are several tricks to keep in mind.

1) A great many of the women on there are fakes.

2) Many of the non-fake women are on the free group chatrooms.

3) If you don't frequent the group chats you must send out a great many emails (it's just like resumes).

4) Read the whole profile. Explore it thoroughly.

5) Write messages appropriate to the profile.

6) Be patient. It took me 6 months for my first date. I'm still on the site though I'm married now (not to someone from AFF) even though I'm not actively seeking partners.

7) Make sure the woman has a great time with you both physically and emotionally.

8) Work out...a lot. Hit the gym and look great in your photos.

9) Look at possibly having fun with couples (M/F) for a MMF.

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