Abode at Red Rock Apartments | SunRidge Management Group | Illegally retained security deposit after canceling rental application. Las Vegas Nevada

You claim you have an itemized agreement showing what the $250 was for and that it was refundable.

If you do then post it and that would be it.  If you don't then just say you don't. It really is just that simple. 

I have proof of payment and I have the Application Agreement, which itemizes the amounts in question.
- But here is the thing..AGAIN. You posted the documents showing where the $80 and the $100 was for..but those aren't in dispute by you. You are disputing the $250, which even though you keep saying you have proof..you have FAILED to post any document showing IN WRITING what it was for.

Once again, OBVIOUSLY if we paid $430 and $180 was specified as non-refundable, the $250 balance would be refundable and since it's a prepaid security deposit,
- That's like saying if a store has an Apple advertised for $1 and an Orange advertised for $2 then the Bananna is clearly $3.

This is a public web site and as a member of the public we can only go by what you post, and NOTHING you have shown shows that the $250 was any sort of "security deposit" that would be refundable.

I do have to give you credit for the whole "mic drop" thing..bet it makes you feel all nice and hip. But you are right if you are going to refuse to actually post documentation you claim you have to show your side then there is really a point of diminishing return. Of course anyone else who reads this will wonder the same thing as well.

Oh yes the typical "Oh you must work for them" when you really have nothing to prove your point. This may be a shock to you but this is a PUBLIC web site, meaning that the public can come and post comments..just like you can post a RipOff report. If you also notice this site there is a link at that top that states "Latest Reports", so the public can see when you post the report as well. Also, if you look around this site you will see people that post comments that don't exactly go as the poster expects the typical response is to accuse them of working for the company. With that I have been accused of being everything from working for various banks and stores to being the Chief of Police of a small town. Like those..you are 100% incorrect.

But you at least did answer some items so let me point out a few things.

Silly me! Nevertheless, I DO have something BETTER than a receipt. I have a scan of the actual money order, made out to Abode Red Rock in the amount of $430 and deposited into your Wells Fargo account number (((REDACTED))
- Actually I didn't say that you didn't pay them the fees, and contrary to what you think that is all the MO shows...that you paid them $430. A receipt or other documents from them is definatly better because it would show what that $250 was for.

I didn't post the whole thing because it was long and boring and irrelevant.
- In talking about "trust" are we to take that to your word for this? We only have one side of the story, and very often when someone says that something is "irrelevant" that is usually code for "it actually makes my side of the story look worse".

The dispute is over the $250 balance of the security deposit, which is CLEARLY refundable.
- In your mind perhaps.  But what proof do you have the $250 was a "security deposit" or "refudable"? According to your post and update..apparently nothing in writing.  Why did you hand an extra $250 that wasn't documented anywhere..oh and the "trust" is just a bunch of BS on your part.  They could call that $250 anything they wanted and without something in writing you have nothing to prove otherwise.

to the LEGAL aspect of this matter
- Yes and the "legal" aspect is going to want some proof of what that $250 was for. You may have enough to convice a judge that you should get it back, after all why would you be that dumb to hand over an extra $250. But then again the judge may ask these same type of questions and without any proof may say you aren't entitled to it.  Personally though I would give you a 45% chance of prevailing if you took them to court.

Since you refuse to acknowledge your true identity, any further discussion is pointless. Obviously, "Robert", you are Michael Lenart, fake posting as a third party in the same way that you posted fake reviews on Yelp, which were all flagged by Yelp as "Not Recommended". I have proof of payment and I have the Application Agreement, which itemizes the amounts in question.

Once again, OBVIOUSLY if we paid $430 and $180 was specified as non-refundable, the $250 balance would be refundable and since it's a prepaid security deposit, it would clearly be refundable under Nevada law. I would gladly post the Application Agreement here, but it contains personal information and since you're denying that you're Michael, it's actually none of your business.

I posted on Ripoff Report to expose an unscrupulous company, not to get into stupid debates with random trolls or people hiding behind fake identities. This will be my last posting, as I've accomplilshed my goal of exposing Abode Red Rock and SunRidge Management Group as frauds, and your blatant trolling has only bolstered my case, so thank you for that, Michael (or "Robert" LOL) :-) Mic drop.

OK, let's be real here. We all know that "Robert", the supposed author of this rebuttal is actually Michael Lenart, the liar and scammer who works for SunRidge Management Group, the management company for Abode at Red Rock apartments. When you post a Ripoff Report, they immediately notify the company in question to give them the opportunity to file a rebuttal. It's amusing how Michael is scared to post this under his real name and instead tries to act like a neutral third party. It's also funny how he keeps referring to Abode at Red Rock as "them" instead of "us", LOL. Who else, other than the company involved in the complaint, would take the time to write such a long and detailed rebuttal? Since we know it's Michael, I will address my comments to him directly.

> However, while you showed us how the $100 was considered an application deposit.
> Where is the receipt or document showing you paid another deposit of $350(or was it
> $250)?  You did get a receipt for that...right? You didn't just hand over the money without
> any type of receipt or documentation..Or did you?

Wait a minute... You're now denying you received the payment??? Seriously, Michael, how low can you go?

No, I did not get a receipt, because I stupidly assumed I was dealing with an honest and reputable company. Silly me! Nevertheless, I DO have something BETTER than a receipt. I have a scan of the actual money order, made out to Abode Red Rock in the amount of $430 and deposited into your Wells Fargo account number (((REDACTED))). The image of the scanned money order is attached to this comment.

Now Michael, let's do the math. Try to keep up now!

Application Fee: $80 (non-refundable)
Security Deposit: $350 ($100 of which is the non-refundable "Application Deposit")
Total Paid: $430
Total Refund Due: $430 - $180 = $250

> As for the companies text..I did notice how you stated it was an Excerpt, what else
> was in the text? As I really wonder what preceeded the statement "With that said", as well
> as what your coversation with them was.

Give me a break! Talk about grasping at straws, LOL. I only posted the excerpt because it was the only part of the email that was relevant to this discussion. You know, the part where you refused to refund our security deposit, even though the $250 was clearly refundable. The rest is just you babbling a bunch of nonsense in an attempt to justify your thievery. I didn't post the whole thing because it was long and boring and irrelevant.

> The fact that you just moved to Vegas and didn't want to keep living out of Hotel Room is
> inconsequential and irrelevant. As you agreed to give them 10 days to approve you, so you
> can't just arbitrarily decide that you waited long enough and then expect any deposit you may be entitled to otherwise.

I'm not denying that you're entitled to keep the non-refundable application fee and application deposit. That is not in dispute. The dispute is over the $250 balance of the security deposit, which is CLEARLY refundable. I also agree, the information I posted about living out of a hotel room is inconsequential and irrelevant to the LEGAL aspect of this matter. I included that information to provide context for the reader, so people would understand how this situation came about in the first place.

Your report appears to suffer from "selective posting"

You are right that in Nevada all security deposits are considered refundable....as long as the tenant abides by the terms of the lease. So it may be legal for them to keep it in certain circumstances.

However, while you showed us how the $100 was considered an application deposit. Where is the receipt or document showing you paid another deposit of $350(or was it $250)?  You did get a receipt for that...right? You didn't just hand over the money without any type of receipt or documentation..Or did you?

As for the companies text..I did notice how you stated it was an Excerpt, what else was in the text? As I really wonder what preceeded the statement "With that said", as well as what your coversation with them was.

I did also notice one other item in what you did post. It stated that they had 10 days to approve your application. Did you wait the 10 days? As if you were still not approved after 10 Days what you did post states that you would have received a refund. So it seems as if you just didn't want to wait. The fact that you just moved to Vegas and didn't want to keep living out of Hotel Room is inconsequential and irrelevant. As you agreed to give them 10 days to approve you, so you can't just arbitrarily decide that you waited long enough and then expect any deposit you may be entitled to otherwise.